>top left plateKEK
Ah yes I really want to see Reddit posts when I go to 4chan
>>745967932>middle bottom that did not age well
>>745967932Thread ruined
>We've degraded from xitter screenshot threads to reddit screenshot threadsJust delete this website already
>>745967932Sabrina was hot
>everyone missing the obvious joke in the op that literally all these games hype ended poorly
>>745967932it's time to admit this genre just sucks
>>745967932>Tokon>SF6mmm delicious goyslop
>>745967932I only want doa7
>>745968470The tifa thing flopped for sf6? Hilarious if true
>>745968574Didn’t use to, old games are still fun. I’d argue fighting games don’t even exist anymore outside of niche titles, it’s a casual party masher genre now which casuals love. It’s their genre now, let em have it.
>>745968863whats the difference between a good fighting game and a casual party masher?
>>745968574>>745968863Old games are the reason the genre will always be good, regardless of how dogshit new games are
>>745968965>good fighting gamegames I like>casual party mashergames I don't likeand ssb clones
>no pokken sequel 11 years later
2XKO's development timeline based on Pattheflips blog posts>Pat was working as community manager (hired by Tom) for Rising Thunder when Riot execs literally walked into the office one day and announced the new (2016) >Pat was then given a game designer role for Project L in pre-production, not the "Core Gameplay Team" to be clear (yet) >Pat had literally 0 game design experience, not even HTML fluency, no programming/engine work/etc >Seth Killian and the non-Cannon Rising Thunder legacy crew basically taught him and others from scratch things liking rigging models in Unreal, Coding, Scripting, Audio, etc >There was still no solid consensus on the game other than various prototypes that never went anywhere up until 2019 >"the whole team felt a bit stalled out while we tried to figure out what we were doing" >Pat started working on early idea for shit like the lobbies, tutorials, competitive scene, etc later on in this era >Seth Killian and a huge chunk of the team had the exodus in late 2019 >Tom promoted Pat to PRODUCER AND PRODUCT OWNER (of Core Gameplay) after the Seth and company exodus (this happened during the Late '19/Early 20 WuFlu era) >"Due to some key staff exits, we were understaffed on production, and so Tom asked me to fill in for a bit to lead Core Gameplay while we hired a deeper bench" >Clockwork was hired here and was responsible for transitioning the game into a tag fighter because what they had was "sauceless" (Mid 2020-ish) >Pat was responsible for hiring additional crew (Yohosie, etc) and was also responsible for building them up as they had no experience either (This happened late 2020-ish) >"recruiting and training up a bunch of fighting game players with mostly little-to-no game development experience" >5 years of the Pat-hired team working on the tag version of Project L while they Frankenstein together kusoge tag mechanics into the game >Pat transfered to the live balance team 6 months before the early
Our Tag Triumvirate is beginning to crumble in our timeline>You're sent back in time to the drawing board at the inception of each game>Board room with all executives and lead designers>An executive points a gun to your head>This game must have multiple characters on screen and must be easy to get in toHow does Spider-Man survive?
KOF good>>745972401Wow, Pat may have actually fucked this game over himself
Tokon is really pissing me off. There are some fun things about the game, but the game plays in such an infuriatingly stupid, scrubby, and annoying way that I don’t really feel like I’m enjoying it overall. Fuck Active Tag, too. Shit in every game it’s put in. I imagine I’ll soon be at the point of bouncing off this game completely, but I’m trying to find something worthwhile.
>>745974178Okay.
>>745974310Don’t mind me, salt rambling
>>745974178unfetter your wings and start mashing triple assist every second. the sooner you realize it's an arena fighter, the better off you'll be
Another Duck King dev match.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFu14gZ_fto
>>745972401jesus, I'm not surprised the project went sideways
>>745975246His voice is kind of annoying (as always) but his moves look fun.
>>745975246And anotherhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyzsnq6Uyq4
defend this
>>745972401>responsible for transitioning the game into a tag fighter because what they had was "sauceless"A good steak doesn't need sauce. The fighting game genre is being ruined by the kind of people who drown food in Ketchup so they can't taste it. SF6 is specifically guacamole rather than ketchup and the guac has gone off and it's running everywhere
>>745972401>sauceless>listening to some faggot zoomie's opinion about fighting games>listening to their opinion about literally anythingWell deserved desu
>>745976073Clockwork isn't a zoomer but he sure didn't help the situation
>>745975862Would you like a bib with your rattle since you wanna be a little bitching baby?
Ty Lee in Avatar Legends when?
>>745976408June, probably. So like, 10 months away.
>>745973461tag fighters have always sucked.You should do like KOF at most where characters fight one at a time.
>>745975862This is frame 1 of Cammy stand jab next to the first active frame of hellstabThere are endless genuine things to complain about in SF6, pick a better one
>>745975246>>745975784he looks strong but I am worried about him not having a DP because his supposed DP animation was apparently used in his high dodge attack.
>>745975862I can't defend playing this ugly garbage nor should I
>>745976527>t. filteredWe know.
>>745972401Pat also stole the code for his twitch stream point voting system from AzeDevs before twitch implemented theirs.He was working with Aze, gave Pat some code to try out, he then gave that code to some script kiddy in his discord and continued developing it behind Aze' back.Pat is a rat, ruined the xrd community and I hope him and his chink bitch of a wife starve.
>>745976636apparently it filtered everyone which is why they are dead lmao
>>745972401reading this just confirms what I thought, terrible management and Riot not paying attention because they were riding high before things started to flop left and right and they started tightening the leash and realized that 2xko was doomed to fail.Pat and the Canons are never working in this industry again at least in a mangement role.
You cannot convince me Tokon lit an enormous fire under Riot's ass and pressure them to get a working product out.Were it not for Tokon's announcement, I'm sure they would have comfortably let another decade go by before they released fucking SHIT.
>>745976529point to the screen where cammy is standing or jabbingone of the big reasons why 6 sucks donkey dick is because they copied the game design choice of 5 where hurtboxes get fuckhuge extended on frame 1 to make sure crush counters happen as often as possible.
I haven't bought a single fighting game pass 2016.
>>745972401I still don't understand what was even to like about this game. All the recent videos I watched lamenting the death of 2xko don't ever say why they enjoyed playing it
>>745977436In my decade and a half of playing fighters, I have only paid for DLC once.
>>745976693Tokon is successful. Cry harder faggot.
>>745977436>this nigga bought a fighting game passYou're an idiot LOL
>>745976693why didn't they just make a marvel sparking zero type game
>>745972401Anon, when you repost this again can you fix the small spelling mistakes and shit? It was like 4AM and I was tired when I typed it up.Also, the last point is supposed to be "6 months before early access launch"
>>745974178I'm starting to have the same kind of frustrationI've lost track of how many times I botched a meaty or dropped a combo, and got hit with the light autocombo into tokon assemble by a scrub who has no idea what they're doingI fought a guy like this after learning how to do Danger's combo limit oki setup that covers every wakeup option, and it counterhit multiple times in a row. It pissed me off. Guy didn't even try to reversal, he was just mashing.>Fuck Active TagI really like how it works in combos because there's some cool shit you could be doing with it. I'm having tons of fun with it, I was also labbing some double-freeze combos with Loki+Doom back assist that seem useless but look coolI hate how it turns any blockstring into mix, and I hate how it lets you confirm a bunch of shit that should just be pokes
>>745978040Sounds you have no idea how to do a meaty then.
>>745978040>oki setup that covers every wakeup option>counterhit multiple times in a rowIt's not my job to pretend your frame traps, setups, and oki are air-tight.
>>745977279>point to the screenAny more questions?
>>745977279>FIGHTING GAMES ONLY HAD SHITTY HITBOXES IN 6!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!oh my sweet summer child... You expose yourself as a larper of the winter storms much too easily.
>>745972045Fuck Pokken. Not only did they didn't have my GOAT Hawlucha, but they added the corporate whore that stole his signature move instead.
>>745978513she was neither standing nor jabbing and if you weren't a capcom dicksucker you'd acknowledge this. faggot>>745978731lmao megafaggot
>>745978802I accept your concession. Come back when you have experience.
So how about them fake AI DoA7 leaks?
>>745969890I do want to play older fighting game (stuff like 3rd Strike and KoF) but my friends only play anime fighters at the moment. I'm partly to blame because I convince them to play those games, but eventually I'll convert them
>>745978223Half-right, I have no idea how you're supposed to meaty out of a scramble with Danger specificallyIf you hoverdash, you have to do it for a minimum number of frames or you'll whiff on crouch, but if you're slightly off by like 5f, people can wakeup 2H and kill youIf you don't hoverdash, people can just backroll out >>745978441I get it, but at least try something else instead of front tech mashYou can just do a reversal every time. I think the only way to prevent this is by tagging out of the startup?
>I don't get it, we had esports stuff so the game was a success why would Riot close down the game??
>>745979438tell them you'll only play with them if they play 3rd strike with you, give them an ultimatum and if they don't go for it just say you were kidding
>>745975862Welcome to fighting games. Hell, to video games in general, pic related. SF4, Hugo is crouching, Sagat throws a high tiger shot, it goes through his head. As intended. You'd complain way more about weird interactions if they did full on accurate model collision instead.>>745978731>SHITTY HITBOXESSince when are they shitty? I thought we liked whiff punishing, which only works well because of hitboxes being like that.
>>745978802Nigga you're fucking dumb.Very few people hate Dix more than I do but people getting hit because a hurtbox activates very early is absolutely nothing new, or exclusive to that piece of shit.
>>745979547does anyone even care about these pro circuits? for both playing and watching?
>>745968470Im hype as fuck for tifa
>>745979547Full pro circuit and some of the richest sponsors on Earth, featured at EVO, has an established scene. CotW succeeded, KoFXV succeeded.
>>745979681>does anyone even care about these pro circuits?fgc pros do and thats about it>>745979749kek
>>745968152Sorry it wasn't a twitter post
>>745968795Tifa hype didn't flop yet. But a ton of people were coping about the rest of the season by saying the newcomers were a good idea, that they would be hype, and that it's all good because of Tifa. Yasmine came out and it was a big pile of fucking nothing. No one plays her, didn't top steam charts like other characters did, you don't see gameplay clips, nothing.
>>745979681I do, but only for the games I enjoy2XKO was mad boring to play, and even worse to watch
>>745972401reading this and it just hit me, they never added the typical riot API to 2xko because they knew the game would be a massive flop and people would be able to use the API to find out.Game was dead in the betas.
>>745979547I mean objectively he is right. Ultimately Riot pulled out because they threw a tantrum and were upset their retarded decisions didn't immediately print millions. The game WAS healthy within its own community. It's just funny to laugh at because there was also so much going against 2xko and it was very hard to get the shill taste out of the people who propped it up. If Riot got their shit together they could very easily turn it around and be an actually successful game but uh, they literally gave up too early, so now it's one of the biggest laughing stocks in fightan history. I don't know if it's better or worse than MVCI at this point. I mean fuck, at least MVCI had two years of support...
>>745980254>2 yearsDid it really? I only remember 1.
>>745972401>Pat started working on early idea for shit like the lobbiesThere's so much shit that went wrong with this game that I even forgot that they tried to copy the universally hated Strive tower.>>745977018The Cannons created GGPO. As long as they keep to the technical side they will find employment. Hell, apparently 2xko had good netcode, although it's server based so we will see what happens when Riot inevitably reduces server availability.
>>745980254>I mean objectively he is right.he isn't, 2xko is a failure, the pro circuit is not a sign of success, thats the bare minimum for esport but that doesn't actually bring in players to the game, the scene is also inorganic as hell and will not continue once Riot stops giving them money, so it's a failure as a FGC esport and community too.most astroturfed fg ever
>>745980350Oh right, just one. Dunno what I was thinking of. But you get the idea.
>>745967932Goyim niggers, espcially redditors, say this about literally everything ever. Things come around and it's all the same shit. Hype gluttons eat etarnally. Speaking of which, I shiver and feel ill looking at those 21+ pancakes, fucking disgusting.
>>745980254>If Riot got their shit together they could very easily turn it around and be an actually successful gameI've said this in other threads but do the math. Riot had to buy the Rising Thunder studio for who knows how much. Then they paid California salaries for 160 devs for 10 years, this alone amounts to over one hundred thousand million dollars. Not exactly, of course, as they didn't start with 160 devs but also people like the Cannons were probably earning more than average. Now factor in e-sports costs. Ads in places like Summer Games Fest and the Game Awards where it can cost a million dollars to show a trailer. They probably had to secure an office too before Covid. Server costs. Now imagine that a lot of this is on-going if they keep supporting the game even just with the 80 remaining devs after the layoffs. Finally, Pat himself said in his blog post that it's harder to find revenue for a f2p game, they'd need way more players than SF6 to achieve SF6's profits. How are Riot supposed to ever be in the green with this game in these circumstances?
>avatarfags still believing their game is successful and popular >same for LoLfags and that flopped slopLMAAAAAAAOOOOOROOOOOOOOOO
>>745968470Avatar is living up to expectation no? Were people expecting more
>>745967932im gonna be honest i REALLY did not expect this gen of fighting games to be this horrible one could argue that everything that made the genre a hit in the 90s and caused the revival with SF4 has been cleansed from the modern FGs
I don't get the Avatar hate in these threads, I'm not seeing it literally anywhere else. Is it just contrarian spite or do you actually not like the gameplay?
>>745981125I was expecting a complete and finished game
>>745980254>If Riot got their shit together they could very easily turn it aroundno they couldn't, you do know how much salary one cali dev at riot is per year? its a lot and they had 160 people working on it, and the game made zero money, had zero players online to the point bronze players got matched against masters, 2xko is a flop and the fgc are just pretending it wasn't because they dont want to face reality
>>745981391idk I don't think people here are negative on the game in general but it's a low budget licensed game about a show for kids that was popular like 15 years ago, it is what it is
>>745981391This shithole is infested by steamchart posting zoomies, I'm afraid you just can't (and won't) get consistently good discussion surrounding that game.
>>745975862YICKADEE
>>745981670>and they had 160 people working on it,ok, let's calm down, the game did not have 160 WORKING on it, there's a difference between these people are working on the game and 160 people did some stuff in the game while working on the league of legends mines or whatever riot does nowadays
So when is the next fighting game that is>2d>1v1>not animeHopefully these tag fighter failures mean something
>>745981889Next Street Fighter in 6 years or so.
>>745981391don't like how it looks
>>745981889The new Chaos Code is stuck in the exA machines
>>745981889there is an awful chink soul calibur clone made recently if you want to check that out
>>745981889we're not gonna start seeing the next generation of big fighters until like 2030 at the earliest im afraid
>>745981889avatar
Trinity? Len? Please save us
>>745981889next Art of Fighting and next Injustice are in development
avatar has no airblocking so its not an anime game. i dont make the rules
>>745979004Even though the consensus is that they're fake I completely believe them and that it's an early build.
>>745982473but it has airdashing
>>745982451surely we get mk2 before injustice
>>745968152>le Reddit is bad, I like 4chan threads where people just complain about trannies
>>745982631avatar is a kof-type
>>745981859point is they still got paid anon, thats a lot of money down the drain for 10 years, 2xko was never turning it around
>>745981889>2d>1v1>not animeliterally avatar
>>745983757>>not anime>literally avatarDo I need to discuss with you the difference between knowledge and wisdom pertaining to tomatoes and a fruit salad?
>>745981859>while working on the league of legends mines or whatever riot does nowadaysConsidering the layoffs this year were 80 people, half of the team, and all working on 2xko, you'd need the remaining 80 to be generic Riot staff for what you said to make sense. Except everything we hear from this project is that Riot didn't want anything to do with it. You never saw Riot staff from other Riot projects in the 2xko videos for example. I do think it was 160 full time. Just not from the start, I doubt they had 160 during their first year at Riot for example
>>745984468western cartoons can never be anime
>>745979630>>745978802nobody ever claimed it was new. retard. nobody gives a shit. nobody said it's the only game that does it. retard. retardnow what? we've established you retards don't give a fuck about anything and just love eating shit because muh old games had dumb shit too so we all have to keep eating shit together forever. amazing
>after 40 hours I'm finally getting used to my team in Tokon Tokon despite the pc port is still super fun. Also really looking forward to when Avatar gets patched so I can properly sink more time into it.
>>745984720OK retard
>week 2> NO BROKE TIER EXHIBITION
Doomerfags really want Tokon to fail but it's telling how the majority of people's frustration over the game is how they can't play it due to PSN region locking countries from purchasing it, no Linux/Steamdeck support and the PC port being unoptimised. The gameplay isn't perfect and needs some readjustments for sure but as far as it being a new IP that's on version 1.0 the foundation is solid.
>>745975862>back>back>neutral jump>back>i do not get up from my seat and stay in my chair so i can neutral jump againeasy now what
>>745985070tokon is 3 steps away from being a mobile gamethe diablo immortal of fighting games
>>745981889SNK really wants to make Art of Fighting 4 for some reason, so that.
>>745985070We can safely assume there's a significant amount of asshurt MvCfags (or just general Capcultists) who keep trashing the game.I agree with you, the foundation is solid and the game itself can be improved if they listen to feedback. Sony is a shit and they are never ever going to remove the DRM bogging down the PC version though.
What's with the tag game hate, like invincible vs, Tokon and 2xko all have their own problems but the act of building a team and finding team synergy through labbing is peak fighting games enjoyment for me.
>>745985710it's just Capcultists being insufferable because they won't stay in their containment thread. everything that isn't SF6 is a bad, dead game to them.
>>745985710Because most casuals here can't even play a single character in the game of their choice properly so the idea of needing to master more than 1 is verboten.
>>745985710Confusing and hard and usually horribly balanced.
>>745985710it's empirically not fun, if it was it would sell millions when it doesn't have the most popular shonen name attached to it
>>745985680>>745985814>>745985824It's funny because as an 09er I paid no attention to other fighting games at all but then SFV was so dog shit at launch it forced me to play other fighting games and now I find SF 6 the most dull game out of everything I play and only boot up just to play Elena. SFV freed me.
>mid low tier tokon char>no one has any mixupkek
>>745985996Yes, I've heard of the legendary mass exodus of SF players finally trying something new for once in their fighting game careers during SFV's life-cycle.
>>745985710active tag and its consequences have been disastrous for the tag genre and has significantly homogenized a lot of how interactions play outbesides that>InvincibleVS is just a poor game>2XKO is only a tag game because HYPE, in general a very insincere game with no audience>Tokon is schizophrenic because it also wants to appeal to people who never tag and only want to play one character and as a result it has a lot of incredibly weird design decisions and broken implementations and are clearly unintended and it remains to be seen how Arcsys is going to respond to them>Also they nerfed Champion by removing his double grab entirely instead of just fixing the animation (he needs it) so it doesn't bode will to how strictly they want the game to be designed
>>745986019>THAT'S WHAT THE ACTIVE TAG IS FOR
>>745985996Capcom cut me loose when they started making ugly ass fighting games (MVC:I and SF6). i jumped shipped to DBFZ and Granblue Versus.
>>745985070Thing is, you're right but fighting games with good foundations are not uncommon at all. It's rare to get a release like MBTL or DnF Duel that has a rough enough skeleton that it demands to be ripped apart and rebuilt. SF6 and Strive also have solid foundations but we hardly see them improved. Things like DBZF and GBVSR are the exception, not the rule.Tokon can't afford to just be competent with all its issues. It has to be a cut above the competition to justify the technical issues it's asking you to put up with.
Content creators when DoA6/Invincible/CotW/Nen Impact/VF5/Iron Saga VS/Diesel Legacy/etc flops>LMAO, who cares? Anyway, let's laugh at it for one video or less, then onto the next gameContent creators when 2xko, made by their IRL friends, flops>It's not fair! Is this the end of the whole genre? Are we doomed? Here's my 7 hours essay on why this game was actually good and extremely popular and it was just Riot having big expectations, but also here's why it failed to find an audience even though I just said it was popular...
>>745967932Every single EVERY SINGLE time I've seen this template used only two of the things listed in it are decent
>>745986157jumped *ship
>>745986165genuinely what do we call thistuko delirium?
Why does the director of Under Night In-Birth stream as a vtuber wearing the literal troon colors? You mean to tell me the game is made by a faggot the whole time!?
>>745986157I was never a big fan of MvC so MvC:I being trash had little effect on me. At most I lamented the fact that some cool characters who had never been in the series are now forever trapped in a shitty game but that was that.SF6 and its hideous, retarded looking teaser made me completely lose interest in the series though so I completely agree with that part.
I guess that Riot sponsorship money is like CotW but without the Arab blood money.
>>745972401Not surprising from Mr "PLAY GUILTY GEAR (But only Xrd)"
>>745986408this is his pic on twitter for like a decade or more
>>745986408Those colors don't mean what you think it means in Japan.He's a massive Hildafag/Kiarafag
>>745986447You get Tencent Chinese government money instead, basically the same thing
>>745981391Steam charts cross posters. The people actually tried it on here enjoyed it.
>>745967932>Repeatedly say before release "Hey, a lot of people are gonna bounce off of tag fighters. They're really niche.">Hear nothing but fags like Sajam telling me I am wrong because DBFZ (Literally the only real, actual, decent DBZ Fighting game EVER MADE EVER for one of the biggest global IPs EVER) was successful like 8 years ago>They all tell me that I have no idea what I am talking about, I am stupid, I am just talking about myself>Low and behold, 2XKO is dead. Invincible Vs is dead. Tokon is struggling even though it JUST came outDBFZ was successful but also had an extreme drop off in players that never really recovered. Obviously DBFZ was popular on console and unlike, say, SF6 I bet most players were on console, but even if you said playstation had 2-3 times the players it was a combine total of like ~20k players across all platforms 2 months after release. That is very playable because it is a 1v1, but it is nowhere near as successful as SF6 is FOUR YEARS AFTER RELEASE.Tag Fighters are a particular, niche brand of fighting game. There is nothing wrong with them. However, people bounce off of them hard because they're such a clusterfuck and you have to revel in the chaos and enjoy it. 10 second long block strings and even longer combos into degenerate mix is fun for the hardcore tag fighter players, and everyone else hates it. I feel so vindicated, but that vindication is only matched by my seethe that I still have from everyone insulting me.
>>745986450if they made their game "Xrd but with League chars" it would actually be successful
>SF6 featuring TifaIt really bothers me that Tekken 8 has Clive but not Tifa
>>745986163> SF6 and Strive also have solid foundations but we hardly see them improved.I think it's because of how well both games have been received that they haven't done a major shakeup, but to Strive's credit it's done more to change the game than SF 6. It'd be interesting how they'll tackle the next GG game if they'll still do a handholdy grounded anime fighter again or if they'll make the game a bit more degenerate.>Tokon can't afford to just be competent with all its issues. It has to be a cut above the competition to justify the technical issues it's asking you to put up with.I agree they've at least done well patching the game weekly but some issues still remain. Apparently the game was supposed to come out in autumn according to promotional material for the game saying so but GTA 6 comes out then so they might've rushed the game out to avoid that resulting in its issues at launch. I do think the game can regain Goodwill but it'll take time
>>745986676tekken players love men
>>745977436>>745977569>>745977706It seems you guys are confused. I haven't a bought a fighting game after 2016. Not passes, the actual games themselves.
>>745981391Eh, most people are cool with the game. It is a vocal minority on both sides.>AVATAR IS A *REAL* FIGHTING GAME NOT LIKE THAT STREET FIGHTER BABY SHIT. YOU DON'T LIKE IT? YOU'RE A BABY FAG RETARD WHO CAN'T HANDLE REAL GAMEPLAY THIS IS FUCKING REAL SHIT>NO THIS GAME IS A LOW BUDGET LICENSED PIECE OF SHIT THAT COULDN'T EVEN PUT IN BASIC FEATURES AND LIED TO EVERYONE ABOUT THE DELUXE EDITION CONTENTIn reality it is just a niche fighter that has some genuine fans who love it, and most people don't care about it (neutrally, not negatively).
>>745986630this is very good for a game that old
>>745986630>steamcharts posting an 8 year old gameAlso invincible sold 1 million copies btw
>>745986676With Tekken 8, Square desperately wanted to get people to buy FFXVI which came out a year earlier. With SF6, Square wants people to buy FFVII Revelation.
>>745986782Doesn't change my statement about DLC. I've been very lucky that hardly anyone I wanted to play needed to be sold back to me.
>>745982858Just go to reddit then, why are you here? disingenuous piece of shit
>>745976349>Would you like a bib with your rattle since you wanna be a little bitching baby?
>>745986676It really is a gigantic waste, yes.Tekken is severely lacking in the ass department but if nothing else, Tekken 8 is full of cute faces and nice tits so Tifa would have been a perfect fit. In SF6 she is going to look all kinds of ugly and retarded, and Dixxers will bitch and moan about "muh guests" like they have with Mai, doubly so if Tifa is also made top-tier.
>>745986808I never said the game was bad. I am saying that the game's huge sales numbers did not translate into SF6 like numbers. It translated into a viable fighting game that lasted for a long time, which is cool, but is also heavily carried by the fact that they never made a Dragon Ball fighting game before, somehow. It is all handheld kusoge or some random japan only piece of shit on some obscure old console. The arena """"""""""""""""""fighters"""""""""""""""""" don't even count.>>745986906And they laid off half the studio.If you actually read my post there is nothing wrong with how I use the chart. It is that holding up DBFZ as evidence that tag fighters have overwhelming success is just wrong. We can see that most people bought the game because it was dragon ball and then you had a core of tag fighting game fans that stuck with it. That is the entire point of my post.
>>745985710>the act of building a team and finding team synergy through labbing is peak fighting games enjoyment for me.it's fun as fuck, but all fun is lost when you go online and you keep running into meta slaves who just run the same cookie cutter strat
>Tao Astral side switched like Trick Edge when you go 2-9D instead of 2-8D.This is the first time this happened, and I can't find anything about it on Dustloop, what happened here?
>>745986784Avatar fags are the 3rd strike MvC larpers of old. Constant praise and dick sucking of the game but they don't play it. It's also very hypocritical people shat on Strive for years for not having a traditional ranked mode but Avatar launches without one and everyone has an epiphany about how fighting games don't need ranked mode after all.
>>745986450>made for the FGC95% of the FGC didn't like the game
>>745987154strive deserves it because its a shit game
>>745967932Well... maybe VF6 will be good right?
>>745985710It is just annoying that if you enjoy traditional 2D fightan all you have had for years is SF6. Tekken 8 is bad and 3D. CotW is bad and has fucking Ronaldo in it. Avatar is an anime fighter, so if you like those then cool, but if not then oh well.I think that is really just it. It is like SF6 has zero competition and Capcom is in full on "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" mode with the game.
>>745985996>It's funny because as an 09er I paid no attention to other fighting games at all but then SFV was so dog shit at launch it forced me to play other fighting gamesCongratulations, you just discovered why the mid 2010s fighting game boom happened.
>>745987154I haven’t played avatar but strive’s issues were it’s a very bad game and also the tower system was ridiculously buggy and never got fixed to work properly
>>745987269i bet even 2xslopo would've been successful if it came out in 2017 instead of 2025
Just won my first 3rd Strike match C rank in years. Feels good to still have it bros.
>>745987047maybe you accidentally kara canceled your jump squat
>>745987254It might not be for much longer but Granblue IS alive and supported right now. The game is actually less volatile and more neutral oriented than SF6 is at the moment as bizarre as that is.
>>745987254>CotW is badHow so?
>>745987294Duel stations were shit but you could go to the park and match with people there and play endlessly. The game had that. Avatar just has casual matchmaking and people are pogchamping at play long sets with strangers as if they discovered fire. I think avatar is great but it's an early access game right now and I'm tired of fags giving it's shortcomings leeway due to the gameplay.
Why know why modern Street Fighter sucks? Way back in the early 2000s the Capcom USA branch gained the rights to it.
>>745987435Trying to turn an SNK fighter into SF6 by basically copying systems from it, and also it looks and feels low budget. I also think that the guest characters being forced in by the saudis really hurt people's perception of it. I repeat, Ronaldo is a fucking character in the game.
>>745987009Mortal Kombat sells millions with each game and has a stark drop off with casuals too though, i don't get what your point is supposed to be with tag games in particular. Only SF 6 has managed to keep a substantial amount of its players around and even then it's just Japan
>>745987456I don't think it's being forgiven due to gameplay, I think it's being forgiven because it's clearly an indie fighter made on a shoestring budget. If it played like garbage it wouldn't be getting clowned on relentlessly, everyone would just be going "well guess we expected that, oh well too bad" and move on in a week. The same way that Invincible and Nen Impact got forgotten so quickly.
>>745987154Strive launched without ranked when previous Arcsys game had one (however mediocre they were), Avatar is from a small company and the game was rushed out. >>745987294>the tower system was ridiculously buggy and never got fixed to work properlyI started in season 3 and it worked fine as far as just getting matchesStill stupid it took them that long to add ranked
>>745986676Don't know why when they established years ago that Tekken only gets male guest characters and is considerably less important than or less high on the collab list desirability to Japanese compared SF so it only gets the scraps like noctis and clive.
>>745987494Rev blown is dog shit but i prefer how COTW plays over SF 6..it does have significantly less budget for visuals than SF 6 but I don't think it looks bad honestly. It just seems like a last generation game but a good one.
>>745987691NTA but I can't put my finger on what about the CotW aesthetic bugs me so much when I'm totally okay with how SamSho and KoFXV look.
>>745987576>>745987641Avatar has a world tour mode with a 100k prize pool, they're not french bread levels of indie
>>745987047https://bbstats.runasp.net/player/76561198091556171/taokaka
>>745987154People will always excuse the faults of the game they want to succeed, it's just very obvious with games like Avatar and 2xko. For example, the first CotW beta had broken matchmaking, lots of people dismissed the game right then and there even though the second beta had fixed it. Tokon has broken matchmaking, had since the betas. You still see social media posts asking>Is it safe to buy the game yet?That is, they're giving it second, third and even fourth chances. Hell, Avatar doesn't even have ranked. Imagine if, let's say, Granblue, launched without ranked. It would be dead. Imagine how much more people would have clowned on DNF Duel if it launched like Avatar did. But people want Avatar to succeed so all will be overlooked. People want Tokon to succeed too.
>>745987646Even though Tekken got not just one but THREE guest characters (4 for Akuma) ahead of SF in 7 compared to V while they were both current, right? Because they're "less important"? Fucking idiot.
>>745987570Mortal Kombat is the perfect analogy because everyone recognizes it sells off of IP and then has a niche fanbase that sticks with it. The entire reason I even got into this was due to all of the FGC talking heads saying shit like >2XKO WILL CHANGE THE GAME. FREE TO PLAY HYPE TAG FIGHTER WITH HYPE AND MORE HYPE? MADE BY REAL PLAYERS? EVERYONE FROM LoL WILL TRY IT AND THIS WILL BE THE TAG REVOLUTION!>"I actually think that making it a tag fighter is a bad idea, new players will have trouble learning to play two characters and fight two characters. Tag fighters are pretty niche.">NO DBFZ SOLD WELL SO THAT MEANS ALL TAG FIGHTERS WILL AND ALSO YOU'RE A RETARDED BABYEarnestly feels like the devs, talking heads, and people on twitter were smoking crack. They killed their game by making it a tag fighter. The worst thing you can possible do to a game with a small roster is DOUBLE the amount of characters in a match. You thought people spamming Mai was bad? Well it was 10x worse in 2XKO where Ekko probably ended up on like 75% of teams (if not more lol). If it were 1v1 it probably would have made the tiny roster sting less, though the game clearly had development issues.I mean they themselves said it was originally a 1v1 fighting game that they then decided to make into a tag fighter and rebooted the entire game for it. I bet the time spend rebooting could have been used to release a few more characters.
>>745987691I unironically prefer the visuals in City of the Wolves over the ones in SF6. By a lot.SF6 models having 10 times the polycount means very little when the art direction is so fucking dogshit, if anything it just highlights how fucking ugly the whole thing is. In a VERY detailed way.
>>745987724I honestly can't go back to kof 15's visuals after COTW. Samsho looks great however
>>745987724bad art direction
>>745987848The really fucked up Billy in this game
>>745987724City has a much more softer aesthetic that they use lighter shaders to convey the supposed "american comic feel" and the artstyle is supposed to look more like Shinkiro, but ends up looking like lower res models because of it. KOF15 has sharp models because they have no filter and just use a harder cel-shading and more straightforward style in line with previous KOFs.
>>745987840I prefer COTW Mai to SF 6 Mai
>>745987848idk, most og characters look ok. it is just the guest and new characters that look weird.
>>745986718>Strive's credit it's done more to change the game than SF 6I just watched top 8 of CEO and that is a load of crap. It is still just c.S>pause>c c.S/c.S>throw/c.S>special>RC forward. Random RC forward or air dash RC forward when people no longer want to play neutral. Half the characters reach across the entire screen and a bunch of DickInSon spamming punches and typhoon for both pressure and neutral. The only thing that really looks different is no HC around to play his own stupid game. The biggest change system wise was to wild assault because they couldn't figure out how to balance it right at all.
>>745987494idk about any of that but I just fucking hate how the just defend system works. 2rd strike has much better parries imo.
>>745988092She is very cute, I like her a lot too.Really not a fan of Billy though, holy shit. It's even more jarring when I see them side by side like in here >>745987848
>>7459878382XKO was the most inorganic tag fighter ever made. How do you reboot a 1v1 fighter into a tag fighter like midway through development? Just feels like the MvC2 fags on staff got their way.
>>7459881142.0 didn't overhaul the game where you had Gatlings and air combos, it just reduced the snowball aspect of Strive nerfing most characters and changing things with the system, which again is a lot more than what SF 6 has done. Dizzy won that tournament, people were calling her low tier before 2.0
My biggest issue with 2xko was the hitstop. It didn't feel fun to do combos. And also the roster. As someone who doesn't play LoL I didn't find any of the characters appealing at all.
>>745987807Yeah. Big boy Square being willing to put tifa their golden girl in SF or 2B in SC and granblue(even if only because of okubo) while only being willing to put garbage ass clive and noctis in Tekken is a fair example to me. The fighting game guests were fighting game devs being buddy buddy with each other with snk saying yes to anyone and anything that wants their characters like the fucking penguin game cotw collab.
>>745988114>It is still just c.S>pause>c c.S/c.S>throw/c.S>special>RC forward. you really gonna complain people do stagger pressure and conditioning in a fighting game?
>>745988380The roster was awful. It was so dumb for them to try to capitalize on Arcane in a fucking fighting game. Dude, that show is enjoyed by women and random LoL players. They didn't even add any of the actual fucking fighting game style characters in the game. No Lee Sin? No Sett? There are characters that kick and punch and have moves easily translatable into a fighting game and instead we got THREE GIRLS WITH BIG GUN. How do you do that shit?
>>745982858troon melty
>>745988458I don't get it when people are reductive like that for a fighting game. You can apply that reasoning to any fighting game to make it sound shit
>>745978223It's really hard to get reliable meaties in Tokon outside of certain situations like after a super or breaking the combo limit.
>>745988275to be fair, calling a character low tier in modern games is kinda misleading because these are way too balanced (in a bad way)I mean, you can call Dizzy low tier from a statistics standpoint I guess, but she's strong as fuck still, characters are designed to go 50/50 with every other character which makes everything muddled I guess
>>745988408No one genuinely gives a fuck about Tifa lil bro, the only faggots hyped for her are gooners and the handful of retards with OG 7 nostalgic bias. Again: still didn't put anyone in 5. Meanwhile, Smash had how many FF7 reps, again? And they were, oh, I don't know, the ACTUAL popular characters of the game? But keep simping for your sloppy seconds that are scrounging and slurping for sales. I'll be playing Yujiro like a chad.
>>745988805holy sour grapes
>>745988114That is a very reductive way of looking at the 2.0 changes. The mere removal of WA alone, reduction of damage, changes to rc made it feel considerably better and are considerably more significant changes than anything throughout sf6's lifespan.
>>745981391I don't see hate for it anywhere, including here, to the point that it's annoying. I'm sure it's a good game and there's nothing wrong with a good game being praised, but people are obnoxiously evangelical about this game.
>>745988770The only character who I have seen who can do it reliably without shit like Doom's laser or Spidey's bomb is Cap doing U shield and going for a mixup. I don't think anyone else has something that CAN do a meaty, as there seems to be a pretty generous wakeup protection, which is why you see a lot of people getting away with mashing on wakeup.
>>745988805What a weird statement. Cloud, Tifa, and Sephiroth are the 3 most popular FF7 characters and Tifa is the only one that works in a traditional fighter. You can't realistically have Cloud or Sephiroth in a game like SF. Actually, I think in FF popularity polls overall, Tifa is actually one of the top FF characters in general.
>>745977436only SC6 for me and I consider that a gooner game more then a fighting game desu
THAT IS BULLSHIT BLAZINGSTILL MY HEARTH IS RACINGI DONT NEED A NEW WORLD ORDER TRAIN O ALGOYOU ALREADY KNOW THE SMELL OF THE GAME
>>745988805>No one genuinely gives a fuck about TifaWhat a strange brand of delusion you have
>>745968435God, yeah, still would even though she's a busted old maga christian.
>>745988408>their golden girl They put Aerith or Lightning in SF6? When?
>>745988275>Dizzy won that tournament, people were calling her low tier before 2.0True, but that's because people are brainlets and didn't realize this character is good as fuck.The only buff she really needed was the increased active frames on Ice Spike (from like 12 to 36). And it's one of the only buffs she kept in 2.0 along with X~S/H Fish and the fS buff.>>745988798>you can call Dizzy low tier from a statistics standpoint I guessBig reason people call her low tier because one of the first things you notice is she's got situational confirms and some jank. For example, she has a big cS and it's entirely possible that 2H will whiff. fS>5H rarely ever works. 5H>Immediate 214H will have some bugged hitstun and gives you -8 soft knockdown instead of +60 hard knockdown.
PLEASE MAKE HER GOOD.
>>745989110just play alex
>>745985710MVC2 made multi-character fighting absolutely obnoxious. Just fucking filling the screen with bullshit, non stop jump-ins every time they're up. Even commentators can't talk fast enough to describe what the fuck is happening in MVC2.Tag fighting games peaked with Tekken Tag Tournament 1 & 2.
>>745989110They're not making a female grappler good again bro you gotta get over it
>>745989110>play sf6>be able to unironically master any character in a day or two>a week or two if you are a functional adult.Just switch. easier than ever.
>>745989110screw the powercreep, make other characters worse
Who did it best? Unless you want to make an argument for the Super Famicom games.
>>745972401Honestly? It's refreshing to see some companies willing to treat their workers as assets and to still have gaming companies have people who are mainly gamers rather than devs, making games for gamers by gamers.The clear issue is that these workers weren't assets nor good devs in the making. The game had no direction since the beginning and this just confirmed it. Good games are almost always made by an autistic madman and one or a few tarwranglers vets to handle him.
>>745967932BABY MAKING SEX WITH MELISSA JOAN HART!!
>>745989502His voice acting is something else
>>745989464Hmmm. Has there been a fighting game where ALL the characters are completely fucking terrible?
>>745989662Please tell me you're not playing in English.
>>745968176I mean left isn't either and right is guaranteed to flop. SF6 will be remembered as the only successful FGC of this generation.
>>745989721It is just the reveal trailer made me nearly do a spit take.
>>745989680that doesn't really make sense because characters are terrible in the context of the game they're in
>>7459895022005 HnK game is the most soulful adaptation ever made, balance and kusoge status be damned
>>745989932when you play it and neither of you can infinite, it's a pretty fun game
>>745988471My theory is that while most long lasting fighting game franchises got their start with martial arts movie references, parodies and martial arts manga influences, the current generation is too far removed from that. Plus, a lot of the staff was made of fans of games like GG and MvC, which are also far removed from that. So while to us it's obvious that the monk who punches and kicks should be in a fighting game, to them they want characters with guns, swords, wizards, monsters, etc. I think they actively dislike martial artists and find them boring, 2xko devs probably looked at VF6 and didn't understand the hype.
>>745989502CotW. I don't like how ArcSys made Kenshiro a shoto with a projectile. CotW still loses though, for not having Rei.
>>745989680In the same vein that there are games like Avatar and Blazblue where most everyone feels like cancer even when they're bottom 1, Clay Fighter was a game where everyone felt weak no matter who you picked
>>745981391contrarianism, avatar was well received here so now shitposters feel the need to shit on it.
>>745990606I personally think that it was mostly cynical. Ekko and Yasuo are just perennially popular, put them in the game. Jynx is basically their mascot, put her in the game. Arcane is popular, put Vi and Cait in the game. Teemo is a meme, put him in the game. Not many characters in the game felt like they organically belonged, and while you cannot have a roster full of Glup Shittos, the fact that we just get no fucking martial artist characters is ridiculous.
>>745981889Don't fool yourself, it would crash and burn like the rest. Normalfags aren't waiting in droves for a 1v1 fighter to sink their teeth into, fighting games just don't have a big appeal outside street fighter's loyal japanese fanbase. Its just the side effects of a slowly dying genre.
>>745989502modern games are stiff. 0 artistry.
>>745988889I mentioned WA being removed because they couldn't balance it and I don't think they get a pat on the back when they changed WA, made it really stupid then had to get rid of it when they couldn't figure out what to do. RC is still retarded and people still use it the same way. And it is the same giant hitbox characters doing the same degenerate stuff. HC getting dumpstered is the biggest change to Strive by far. The changes have been the equivalent of SF6 nerfing character throw loops which has some change but in the end people are just green sliming out of neutral or finding whatever character has retarded efficient supers that force you into. Hell SF6 had the driver reversal change which was as significant as anything strive has done
>>745981889Suck it down
>>745991065RC doesn't net you a cancellable guard crush that's still plus after setting up somethingRC doesn't give you extra momentum for corner carryRC isn't a safe on block strike invuln chargeWA doesn't let you get instant overhead setups or movement tech like tri-jumps and fast air dashesWA can't bail you out of a whiff or an unsafe specialWA can't convert stuff that's not a grounded normalWA can't even convert every grounded normal because it didn't combo from lower attack levels (Blue being extremely limited and White not being a combo tool at all)WA has zero character-specific interaction because it always does the same lariat compared to fast RC letting you carry momentum and do whatever you wantYou are retarded and talking out of your ass
>>745990946>Normalfags aren't waiting in droves for a 1v1 fighter to sink their teeth intoThey were, and most settled with SF6, some sort of MK, Tekken, or have scattered into the many other fighting games, but mostly Strive. The problem now is that they're perfectly satisfied with these games and aren't looking for anything else.
>>745991223>Naming your game after another game that announced they're ending active developmentdicko!
>>745981391I'll play it when it's actually finished.
>>745991845>Naming your game after another gameit's named after a comic, and KO stands for King Omega
>>745967932holy goyslop
Tokon gained playersSeems like it plateau'd
>>745992017
>>745968152spbp
>>745992045it will stay around 4k until cyclops releases
>>745991562>Goes on rant about nothing stated in post he is replying toAre you ok?
>>745967932Virtua Fighter 6 looks the best, im not into fighting games but thats the one that has me interested
>>745974178The real question is why aren't you playing avatar?
>>745993357i'm in love with hot anime men in spandex and 1000 fashion accessories
>>745985070I'm more surprised. I really naively thought it was going to do like 80k peak or something and dethrone sf6 for a month or so at least. Seeing it drag its ass between 1-4k on steam is some twilight zone shit. Sony are truly cursed when it comes to mp games.
>>745993716the DRM causing the game to run like shit did not help at all. especially since it was in the beta and basically warned everyone about how bad the PC port would be. hopefully this will be a lesson for devs never to take the sony money.
>>745993716nah it was never going to beat sf6, but not beating strive's peak is just insane
>>745993662I would legit love a tom of Finland IP fighter.
>>745993716Sony has no excuse. They saw what happens when you force PSN and region-locking on a PC title with Helldivers 2, and that community rioted so hard that Sony backed down on both counts. Granted, Helldivers 2 is Sony's only successful live-service game and the community was bigger, so they had more weight to throw around, but Marvel Toukon doesn't have that luxury.
>>745994056that's tekken
>>745993357that game feels weird, every character has to be a unique chungus instead of just making a regular airdasher.
Es is the only character I can win against good players with… I can’t win with Rachel every match is just I get hit and it spirals from there…
>>745994209I think you've adequently described most of the game's appeal.Every character is basically their own archetype. I want to suck Mike z's tiny autistic dick (unlike those bitches who tried to cancel him)
quick chat give me Ryu bnb, hir confirm slime bnb and optimal combo. that´s all thanks.
>>745975862this is a correct counterplay against walk up jab jab jab cammies. that guy is just being a bitch.
>>745994304Defend better and stop mashing.
>>745994363fierce DR HK fierce DR HK fiercemicro walk after HK if you want a 3rd DRend in DP or DP lv3
>>745985070I don't 'want' Tokon to fail, I am just surprised that the game got such a mixed reception. I feel like the game just doesn't know what it wants to be. It is a 4v4 game but they emphasize you can just play as one character but the game basically requires you to use meta team combos that use a lot of active tag to force mixups due to the game's systems.
>>745993716The game is UNPLAYABLE on PC. Even after multiple patches. It is so dumb too because PC is the main platform for fighting games now due to v-tubers, content creators, and covid.
BBTAG hadmore SOVL than Tokon.
>>745994895>I feel like the game just doesn't know what it wants to beI think they knew well enough what they wanted it to be initially. But then everyone and their mother complained after the first beta that the game was just boring as fuck. Current Tokon was them trying to add "sauce" to a game that was never made with it in mind.
>>745994895>I don't 'want' Tokon to failYou should. These games are made for people that hate fighting games. We could be playing a real marvel game right now instead of turbo dogshit zoomslop
>>745995000>>745995045Maybe Tokon should have avoided the comparisons to MvC entirely and just made an actual 1v1 fighter. Maybe Arcsys didn't wanna do another one because all of their licensed games are like that, but it would have been interesting. I dunno. I just don't like Tokon very much but under no circumstances do I think it is like "stealing" players from my favorite games so I don't want it to fail.
>>745995115It still is a turbo casual mobile game sold at $70 with dogshit gameplay and simple inputs.
>>745967932when does sf6 get a super variant?
>>745995115It was originally a 1v1 fighter, but I imagine some bright spark at Sony set them straight, thinking there was some huge untapped well of mvc fans.
>>745982858Why can't you just fuck off and go back
>>745985070I wish people would stop spouting about that sony blocking regions bullshitlook up the regions that are blocked nigga like a hundred people live there total that have computers and want to play fighting gamesoh no fuckin uh MADAGASCAR can't play tokon
She is going to be a free dlc character right?
>>745995045>We could be playing a real marvel gameBitch, Capcom couldn't even make a good Street Fighter game this gen and you think they would have made a good new MvC, get real.
>>745995172Next year. That's why this year's dlc cast is so throwaway apart from tifa. They'll want to launch ssf6 with the big hitters.
>>745995115>all of their licensed games are like thatExcept their most popular one
>>745995269>Bitch, Capcom couldn't even make a good Street Fighter game this gen and you think they would have made a good new MvC, get real.Because slop sells. Slop doesnt sell and we get good games or they die, its that shrimple. Normal cattle can start by not pretending that modern fighting games are good or that require skill and we go from there.
>>745995304Yeah, but didn't Granblue and DNF duel all come out after? I was referring more to those.
>>745995259Most likely
>>745995259was this part of the leaks? does this mean one of the DLC characters will be normal champion too?
>>745995259>dlcyes>freelmao
I like how in a sea of really hard SNK bullshit, Maxima's hardest trial is randomly, like, equivalent to a relatively easy Blazblue meter dump.
>>745995560Promoters files label her the same as the other playable characters and she has 80% of her moveset already and there are taglines and a team name for her. Base Champion isn't labeled the same way and he only has like 3 moves.
>>745995329What is even your point here?It doesn't matter if the reason is incompetence or devs appealing to the absolute lowest common denominator, a Marvel vs Capcom game made by current day """Capcom""" would be absolute dogshit. You said """We could be playing a real marvel game right now instead of turbo dogshit zoomslop""" No we couldn't
>>745995775Oh god double half circles. Truly one of the endangered motion inputs.
>>745995775bro has Frankie’s nipple lasers
>>745995874>What is even your point here?Cater to the real fanbase and not to normalfags and zoominggersIs this too hard to understand?
>>745995775Is Maxima the only cool Canadian in existence?
>>745995941Your delusion that they would somehow, for some reason do that is kind of hard to understand, yes.
>>745972401Reading this blogpost is completely fucking insane.>If 2XKO was just another Strive or Tekken or Granblue or Street Fighter with League characters, we would not really contributing anything new or worthwhile to the genreEvery single blockbuster gigasuccessful thing Riot has ever done has been a clone of something already successful, see Dota and Counterstrike>I was primarily there to learn that "how to make a cracked fighting game" part, and treated my ten years there as the equivalent of a PhD program in fighting game development where the game itself was less important to me than the knowledge I unlocked from the work.>Despite the fact that I ended up working on it for ten years (about twice as long as I had planned), it was never my intention to stay on it forever; there are too many other things I want to do, and most of them don't involve working for someone else. I'm not a very good corporate drone. Thanks to 2XKO, I got to learn far more than I ever imagined I would have about how fighting games work and what makes them tick, and I am extremely thankful for the opportunity.>I sincerely hope that anyone else in the position to take creative risks on the corporate dime does so, the more irresponsible the better, because we have enough boring successes out there already. If by some chance you get to take the shot like this, take the fucking shot. Tell me about it later. If it works out, buy me a beer; if it doesn't, I'll get the first round. Especially in the contemporary game development industry where successful dev teams are getting laid off anyway, you might as well just go for it. This is the mindset of somebody who gets a job to plunder as much shit as possible before getting fired.>I've only played a couple sets since the layoff – after playing the game for work for ten years, playing the game as a player just feels like I'm giving Riot a freebieAnd on top of everything he doesn't even like the game enough to play it.
>>745995946Celine Dion
>>745995946Bub?
>>745995946Wolverine
>>745995946Wolverine if you ignore the last 20 years of Marvel comics, I guess.
>>745995996>Your delusion that they would somehow, for some reason do that is kind of hard to understand, yes.Why? Because content creator or directive board said so?Most online games are beyond fucking dead. Third Strike is till alive, ST is still alive. Not that complex, sell gamba to the retards, literal fucking children and the nogs and sell the multiplayer to the real fanbase. people are so fucking stupid these days.
>>745967932and yet a single reveal for Smash 6 will generate a million times more hype than all this.
>>745995946Abigail
>>745995946Colin Mochrie and Mike Myers perchance.
>>745996136okay but that’s a kid game
>>745995946For me, it's Racoon
>>745995946
>>745996302when did they show this?
Oh yeah i forgot the larp generation larps as stake holders. el oh el
>>745996124How many people bought and still play the MvC Collection on Steam? Did you buy it?
>>745996136pedo
I'm dicking around on KOF13 why didn't Shen come back again
>>745996386Yeah you are right such a bad move, it's a bad move. Hey tom how can we increase the numbers? We need to keep TOKON alive god dammit, hey can anyone check the chinese chicken market numbers
>>745986970Awww what's the matter? Incel neckbeard scared that his little safe space will be overrun by normal gamers? Tough shit. Live with it.
>>745996490He's too cool for modern lame ass SNK to bring back
>>745996124>Capcom has spent the entirety of this decade watering down ALL their franchises and smoothing out their identity in order to appeal to the biggest possible crowd because that is infinitely more profitable than catering to hardcore fans of anything>we literally have a fighting games related example right there with SF6>b-but they would have made a new MvC the e-exception!! for some reason...Look, you do what you gotta do to keep the Tokon seethe alive if you must, I'm just pointing out you sound fucking ridiculous.
>>745996490I asked the same damn thing after I started going through his trials, apparently they just don't have much to do with him storywise. For my money I saw fuck it, just jam him in somewhere. His moveset was always so sick.
I skipped every line of text in all the BB games I played, how would she play like?
>>745996302I really hate this dudes beard
>>745982858>>745996598Rich pedos own you lol.MIGA!Jewish.Fucking.Power.
lmao did you see the post by the 2xko team lead about the games dev cycle? reddit post but lol https://old.reddit.com/r/Fighters/comments/1vwid5i/patrick_miller_team_lead_for_2xko_recently_made_a/
>>745996639And i'm pointing out all fightin games numbers are ABYSSMAL , literally worse than any other genre including dead genres like RTS. It's a dead raped genre, so let's start by unraping the thing. Links, 1framers, make control niggers seethe.
>>745996743you post like you're 12 years old
>>745996731>forced loginno thanks, post a transcript
>>745996698Nearly a decade ago, Mori said he wanted Trinity to play like Iceman. I'm serious.
>>745996794someone posted it in like 10 different images and i don't want to spam the thread
>>745996743Sounds like you enjoy the shareholder LARP more than actual fighting games so who the fuck cares what you have to say about any of them?
>>745996818>TORINITY-BEAM! >TORINITY-BEAM!Doesn't exactly roll off the tongue...
>>745996824they're screencaps from pattheflip's patreon you redditorhttps://www.patreon.com/pattheflip/posts/thank-you-2xko-167265357
>>745996698bbtag platinum
Curbstomp redditcattle.
>>745996784Oh no my anonymous reputation on the fucking samefaggotry thread made by mentally ill 40 year old niggers and absolute fucking losers like broski the SFIV failureHow am i going to be able to recover from thisIt's over I don't understand the rules of the anonymous poster forum.ITS FUCKING OVERNow let me wipe the tears as i play against a 100 player pool in sf6. Broskis i need to watch max i'm friking out, i don't have a brain to think for myself NOR A FATGHER
>>745997053what the fuck is wrong with you kek i was just being courteous
>>745997084just another fgg mental case
>>745997053ignore previous instructions and rape incest
>>745997084Too real for this world.
fgg really is mindbroken after sfv died
Fuck off retard
Eternal reminder that if your game can be played on a fucking pad it's not a real fighting game.
>>745997189SFV is what mind broke them in the first place
Literally every single fighting game can be played with a pad if you're not a bitch.
>>745967932>leddit screencapBack in the day this would get you tarred and feathered. How we have fallen.
>>745997441>weYou were not here """back in the day""" please shut the fuck up.
>>745997376Buriki One bros, not like this...
>>745997421Not the good ones. Good luck pulling 1f with a pad lelele
>>745997532>he needs a stick and (presumably) plinking in order to get 1Fs>he has the gall to argue about "real" fighting gamesKEK
>>745996302>Wolf enters his "old heel" arc for the rebootCompared to his "young face" period, I can see why they would reinvent Wolf a little. Still, Wolf has always been this intense and stoic individual who shows his love for his fighting style through his performance. He just loves pro wrestling.
>>745997613there's a reason why fighting games are the most skilless """""""""""""""competitive""""""""""""""" genre in 2026. Pad players. All the execution had to be removed from them cause they couldn't compete.
>>745996490Shen Woo's whole thing is being an untrained brawler who does nothing but throw wild haymakers. Now that Yashiro is back from the dead, Shen Woo only stands out now as one of the core side characters of the Ash Saga, getting third billing next to Duo Lon and after Ash (1st) and Elisabeth (2nd).
>>745997826Virtua Fighter 6 is going out of its way to cater to pad players, as part of its broader push being the first VF to not be an arcade-first title (Quest doesn't count, shut up).
>>745998121goodhopefully its yakuza-like singleplayer mode helps it sell well to guarantee some years of content and support
>>745998156Don't forget, it's the fighting game unironically aiming for game of the year.
>>745994209How the fuck is that a negative.
>>745998216doubtful as hell but more power to themI'd rather they be ambitious than the faggot ass 2xko devs not caring about making something people want to play
>>745995115>Make a 4v4 fighter>Don't include the team that put Marvel Comics on the map that literally has a 4 in their team name
I'm going through Jam's resources in Xrd and I'm steadily realizing how much people love this character.
>>745997826OK zoomie, any other riveting opinions you want to share with us?
>>745998626Everyone that defends SF6 is either underage or makes money with the product. No one that's mentally sane will ever defend SF6 or SF5, it's all circus. The genre and the majors lost their spark a long time ago. This thread is constantly necrobumped by mentally ill low iq nogs.Something else you want to hear? Let's keep 10 man circlejerking the 100 man genre.
XCaliburBlade won EVO with Carl on pad so BBCF isn't a real fighting game anymore. Sorry, I don't make the arbitrary rules.
What's the name of that Kum player who won an Xrd tourney using a steering wheel?
It's really funny how everyone tried to blame riot for 2xko failing and then the lead retard comes out and says the dumbest shit imaginable and ensures that everyone know him and his retarded dev team was the actual problem who should never be hired by anyone again.
>>745998747why are you here? surely someone as smart as you has better things to do right?
>>745996018>I sincerely hope that anyone else in the position to take creative risks on the corporate dime does so, the more irresponsible the better, because we have enough boring successes out there alreadyI'm sure the Riot bigwigs felt the exact same way LMAO what a fucking ponce, holy shit
>>745989502pixel art always has the advantage of more stylistic poses and animations. 3D is more economical.
>>745998747Oh, you're that guy who was just talking about how Tokon is le bad and we should have gotten a new MvC instead kekNevermind, I take it back, I've read more than enough dogshit opinions for a whole day.
>>745996260Raquna spotted
>>745998881He was trying to pre-emptively blame Riot and distance himself from the project, but he just came across as the retard instead.
>>745998613By "resources" you're referring to her shimapan right?
>>745999050Tokon died faster than kotor.
>>745999048animation software has developed in 2D beyond it being just as cheap if not cheaper to produce with compared to 3D with blender that its a non-issue and is the reason why Indie games are 2D: easier to make so your argumentation falls flat even pixel art is super easy to make these days. combining the two would be most economical, if you want to stick to 3D is more economical, maybe in backround artwork etc assets, those can also be made into pixelated look like Valfaris to make it even more stylistic than regular 3D that just looks sloppy.
>>745998880Only wheel player I remember's name was something like "Initial [something]"
>>745999316>>745998880Initial Thttps://youtu.be/n_irhlVNkKM?si=C5uKCrT7Zbh8gdHu
>>745999418Nice that's the one
>>745979004What I find funny about it is that even if it is clearly AI character art, it doesn't affect the legitimacy of the leak at all because every studio now uses the fuck out of AI, especially early in development.
>>745999165In a way he was kinda based.>Riot hired us because we are FGC oldheads and we promised to make Rising Thunder but League>Instead we scammed them for 10 years to keep the gravy train rolling by making the game we want for hardcore autists like us. We knew it was going to flop, but to us it was better than making a mass appeal product in the LoL nameLike if /v/ was paid millions to make a video game with zero management oversight.
all these games are dead or will be dead within a year
>mfw bingbingwahoo party brawler mogs the entire fgc>again
>>745998859I don't really follow players or e-celebs closely. I've seen Sajam do a lot of commentary and he has is own event, but what the fuck does Max actually do recently outside of blowing thousands on a mod no one played?
>>745967932What does Kyoshi Presentation mean?
>2XKO didn't have executive meddling in it>It was literally genuinely just a bunch of retards fucking around wasting time because they were fucking stupid in spite of the grace period that Riot gave themthe wildest part is pat just confessed all this for literally no reason. he genuinely thought people would be on his side
>>745999098Etrian Arena Ultimax any day now, right after Next Stage.
>>745999887Saying things like that makes you the number one public enemy in the FGC. No, maybe even the whole gaming industry. It's a instant blacklist.
>>745999887The worst part is people seem to be taking away the wrong lesson, which is that the problem was being uncompromising on difficulty. No, the problem is they were dicking around.
>>746000021The problem is they did not have Drive Impact.
>>745999887He thinks he's the next Tobyfox. Except Tobyfox actually made a game people wanted to play (and he had an existing fanbase) on his own dime and time instead of being bankrolled by a multi billionaire dollar company to make a game OTHER people wanted and not just what he wanted.God I hope that fuck never gets a job in the industry again. But he will because you can only fail upwards in vidya dev.
He's still trying to make Pax Bisonica a thing, holy shit
>>745996490He did. He had a sex change operation and became a guest character in SF6:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKbL2F_I9dI
>>746000265My wife Marisa is capable of giving birth
>>746000095I don't think he can fail upward considering Riot is pretty high up on the totem pole as it is. Dude confessed to being a retard in broad daylight with his only portfolio being a game he failed to deliver on due to his own self-confessed idiocy. Any project he ends up in is doomed to fail.
>>746000346>Any project he ends up in is doomed to fail.sounds like a perfect fit to get hired at a triple A gamedev
PATRICK MILLER MUST DIE
>>746000341She would crush your dick and render you infertile afterwards though.
>>745986782Wouldn't it be "past" then?
>>746000346if concord devs can get rehired, anyone canthough they're starting to run out of studios and corpos continue to push AI
Avatarfags are getting uppity again. Someone post the pic that shows everything but the original cartoon has been colossal failures. What a radioactive IP.
>>746000502God...If we cuddled afterwards and she gave birth to a healthy baby I'd say that's worth it
>>746000675IS THAT A-
>>745999829max is popular with normies and shills for whatever big corps tell him to shill for. But he is also seen by normies as a fighting game guy even though he is pretty surface level on any game
>>745999829Max makes youtube videos. That's it.
>>745999829he basedfaces at new releases and his parasocial followers feel like they're sharing the moment with a friend
>>746000675Um... anonymous...
>>745997492Neither were you kike.*rapes you*
>>745999829Max makes fighting game content for people who don't play fighting games. And I don't mean like, the supposed fighting game larpers. His content is straight up targeted at the people who go "boy fighting games are so cool I love watching majors but I could never play them they're too hard for me".Honestly he's fine. Someone has to do it and we could have a lot worse.
>>746000346It's actually very easy. Imagine another western company wants to make a fighting game, let's say, Microsoft wants a new KI. They start hiring inside the American fgc because of course. That means asking people like Maximilian and Sajam for opinions. They recommend someone. That someone eventually gets promoted and can hire more people to work under them. Being part of the American FGC and friends with the usual suspects, they know Pat. They hire Pat.
>>745999829Max started his channel posting 3rd Strike replays and MvC3 tutorials. He got hired to help with KI. This was all pretty early on so by getting there first he built an audience. Unlike other people who were there early, like Gootecks, he didn't get cancelled, didn't fuck up, stayed away from controversies, and just kept growing his channel.
How bad did the terrible pc experience hurt tokon?
>>746001068none, because according to snk fags, "everyone plays fighting games on console anyway so steam doesn't count"they were probably only saying that to justify low steam chart player counts BUT STILL
>>746001068>lower than DBFZ's peak>lower than Strive's peakhorribly
>>746001068all modern fighting games have a 70-30 pc-console splitso a lot
>>746001045Also I think Max did a lot of fun stuff like skits that got him a lot of attention for putting more effort into production than his peers. Of course these days he just sits in front of a screen and yaps about dumb shit, but he was a step above other FGC streamers and channels back in the day.
Remember when people were measuring the display lag of their panels?
>>745999829>what the fuck does Max actually do recently outside of blowing thousands on a mod no one played?it was tens of thousands of dollars.
>>746001386>actually created content before settling into vod-uploading streamer modemany such cases
>>746001416>werewe never stopped, casual
>>745967932This old
>>745972401Didn't Seth also leave Capcom during SFV's development? That dude knows when shit is about to go really south
>>746003276i wish he stayed as a SF combat designer still, he seems to know what hes doing
>>746003276he just saw the writing on the wall, sony's fuckery and project L taking way too long were warning signs anyone on the inside should have seen.
>>745998241because it limits the options characters have by not providing standard tools to everyone.If people had normal airdashes and then their enhanced flow options on top of that it would be more interesting.See how Hisoutensoku has both 8way flight tied to the D button but also standard airdashes you can do with 66/44.
sf6 is dogshit and it killed the genre
>>745998241It's not.People have been playing homogenized to fuck games for so long that they have accepted it as the norm.
>>746004189ok pattheflip
>>746004189seethe
+R is godlike and it saved the genre
>>746004758No one plays this
>>746004189>sf6 is dogshitYes it is.>it killed the genreIt's done severe, irreparable damage to it, yeah
>>746004785I do
Pat the flip is proof that all Xrd fags are the most obnoxious and insufferable faggots in the genre.
>>746005035Nope, absolutely no one and nothing beats the current day Dixxer/Capcultist on the faggotry scale.
>>746005126hey pat 2XKO flopped kek
>>746004758With what copies? It was more niche than Tekken at the time.
>>746005153It’s on Steam for like $5
what the fuck is going on in chile lmao
>>746005152Thanks for the demonstration kek
>>746000502Oh no, I get to fuck my hot wife without worrying about a child! The nightmare! The horror! Ohhhhh, the horror!
MikeZ is the only western fighting game player that actually knows how to make a fighting game.
>>746005153it saved it from being boringmuh copies means nothing, mortal kombat is right there if you want sales as a metric
>>746005126>makes it about sf6some niggas here literally only have one thing they ever talk about
>>746005221they are mindbroken and made it their personality
>>746005221Well yes, someone was talking about an obnoxious, insufferable fanbase and Dixxers are by far the most obnoxious, insufferable faggots in these threads, it's not even a contest.Why would I not mention them?
>>745986630Should've been One Piece ngl
>>746005301you're the most insufferable poster here though? so how does that work?
>>746005216And yet MK was always outsold by SF. Interesting!>>746005307It'll never happen, make peace with it now.
Tekken 8 needs to eos like 2xko already
>>746005356>And yet MK was always outsold by SF. Interesting!Retard
Susanoo or Azrael? Thoughts?
>>746005189Say random ass game right now
>>746005307One Piece used to be so cool before all the new stuff
>>746005215KI was pretty good too. I'd give those guys another shot at a game.
>>746005436two different flavors of retarded
>>746005436do you prefer crayons or glue?
>>746005516Uhhh that game is InvincibleVS...
>>746005189Imagine going back in time and telling someone from back in the SF4 era that in the far future of 2026:>The strongest regions for Street Fighter are Japan and... Chile, where a bunch of underage kids dominate. There's also a single dude from the Dominican Republic carrying his entire region>The strongest regions for Tekken are Korea and... Pakistan>The strongest region for the latest Guilty Gear is America, but one of their world champions is a random African dude
>>746005356A man dies when he stops dreaming.There will always be a gleam of hope in my heart.I'll make do with the card game for now.But being fr I have almost no interest in the Marvel characters besides the just overall fact that they aren't fighting game characters so they can have unique mechanical identities when translated to one. But I'm glad Too exists so that Capcom could focus on a hypothetical Capcom All Stars
>>746005560NA has basically always been ass outside of mickey games like MK
>>746005557oh...
>the 2xko retard is the same guy that tried to get Avatar banned from every tournament because MikeZ works on itMakes a lot of sense that he is a massive retarded piece of shit obsessed with sucking his own dick.
>>746005614Marvel?
>>746005614SonicFox is also losing to random Brazilian teens in MK nowadays too.
>>746005686Yes?He very literally said Mickey games. The only way Marvel could get any more Mickey is if they LITERALLY added Mickey now that they can.
>>746005614I know but that's not the point. At some point Japan and Korea were so good I was legit reading posts where people were wondering if Asians had some sort of gaming gene that made them better at anything other than FPSs. For anime games there was just no hope to ever see a gaijin competing if the Japanese travelled. The current situation would sound like a fever dream.
>>746005745Honestly I wouldn't mind a Disney team season pass with Howard the Duck as the leader. Howard, Mickey, Donald and Goofy. Would sell like crazy.
>>746005491It's still pretty cool. I agree that pre time skip is much better, but there is some cool post time skip stuff
>>746005815That would be kind of cool, yeah
>>746005667its crazy to see people defending pat for wanting to make 2xko a "cool fgc game for the fgc instead of making a profit" when the problem is that the game isnt cool anyway. guy beefed it on all fronts
When was the last time you got legitimately hype or felt adrenaline from a fighting game (playing or event)?
>>746005745>>746005815Disney owns too many things. You could have a pass with Star Wars characters too
>>746005887I played Terumi against a Hakumen earlier and the last round was us both in overdrive and I finished it with 623B into EA.
>>746005905Now THAT they wouldn't do, they're too retarded with Star Wars.
>>746005887Literally 3 days ago.
>>746005887CEO avatar top 8 was pretty funi havent actually played against another person in a while. sucks to be on australian wifi
>>746005887>watchingtokido vs booce>playinghitting my captain america bnb for the first time in a real match in tokon a few days ago
>>746005887>playingbeat an almost 3k pp player on usf4 last week>eventthe bussy vs tokido match
>>746005887I got some pretty fun matches in Tekken 8 this week. Some were the usual one side overwhelming the other but the good ones had plenty of back and forth and adjustments from me and my opponent. It was neat.
>>746005307Enjoy, faget
>>746005887Avatar at CEO and Probably a DBFZ tournament can't pinpoint which one exactly but that game used to get my juices flowing. Strive also is pretty good for tournaments when there isn't a Leo Nago or HC on screen.
>>746005842It’d probably be easier for me to like the current One Piece if I didn’t know how much cooler it used to be
>>746005887Grand finals of SF6 at CEO was awesome even though the rest of the top 8 mostly sucked
>>746005887Like 4 hours ago
>>746005887>playingTonight.>watchingCEO was awesome.
>>746005307Nah they made a arena fighter in burning blood that wasn't a storm clone and one piece fans didn't care for it
>>746006413i really dislike how burning blood plays
>>745973461I hate tag fighters.
>execution is complete dogshit even after hours of tryingI just think I'm too shit for fighting games.
>>746006545The right controller type, and the right literal specific controller you are using can make a world of difference. What have you tried so far?
>>745973461>2xkoThe name sucks and needs to change. Also people like league because they get to blame their friends instead of taking accountability. Instead of making it a tag fighter, let’s just make it some round robin shit that gives buffs to your team if you beat your opponent. Also don’t make the roster ass. Also, more skins on release and not in a rotating shop.Ok thanks I’ll be on lunch now.
>>746006545you just have to reach a point where it clicks and then its easier to recreate on other characters. once you learn how to learn execution you can transfer that to pretty much any other game
>>746006596an old xbox 360 controller, a ps4 controller, and some 8bitdo M30 controller that someone lent me to play fighting games with. I thought the m30 was working but I keep missing directional inputs on anything you have to do fast like accidentally missing a side or down input during double quarter circles.
>>746005552Glue has the consistency of cum so give me your best glue, senor.
>>745973461>InvincibleVSI eat the bullet, I'm fairly sure the game only had as much budget as Nen Impact in hindsight.
>>745976000I just want to mention that you specifically should end yourself, solely for turning slang into metaphor in an empty attempt to appear clever.
>>746006790>8bitdoI bought one of those (not that specific model but still) to replace my previous pad, and fighting games feel weird as fuck on it.I KNOW I can do a fucking quarter circle forward, and yet when I'm using that controller I don't feel I can rely on it coming out when I need it the most.
>>746006790I tried for a while and just couldn't get motion inputs down on pad. I finally caved and bought a leverless and instantly got way way more consistent. You might just lack the pad gene like me.
>>746006413Burning Blood is bad tho . Not even in a fun "watch cool cutscenes" kinda way
>>746006545hours is nothing, especially if you haven't even slept on it yetexecution is like 70% grinding shit that feels impossible and 30% randomly getting it the next day after sleeping
>>746005614>mickeyNever heard a good discussion about brackets where this term was used, ever. This continues to be the case.
if nobody plays a game that game is bad because it could not secure a playerbaseif everyone plays the game that game is bad because it appeals to the widest audiencethe best games have between 50 and 500 players online.
>>746008407snkope
>>746008407Grub, UNI, KoF XV and CotW enjoyer here, can confirm.
>>746008432i play melty blood and blazblue
>>746007438Nobody asked you Sajam, you still have dicks left unsucked
>>745996018>we would not really contributing anything new or worthwhile to the genreand the contribution is a coop tag mode tekken already did as a one-off gimmick and babby imputs that everyone else already figured out
>fighting games
>>746008407there are only about 200 people worth fighting in any fighting game.the rest are wifiniggers
Why aren't fightans hooking me up like they used to?
>>746008806this is the exact moment fighting games died
>>74600896050% of that is fighting games being less good now than they used to beThe other 50% might be depression. I don't know you but the current state of the world is dismaying and depression sounds like a safe-ish bet desu
>>746008806thankfully hes a little bitch who runs the moment he isn't number 1 and isn't the center of attention. so nobody except MKfags have to suffer him for long.
>>746009101I still enjoy vidya as a hobby, but fightans are just looking like big money dumps right no where everything ifeels incredibly bland and samey. It feels cold and corporate and a bit artificial.
>>746009185>It feels cold and corporate and a bit artificial.Oh it absolutely is, e-sports were a fucking mistakeRainbow Mika and Cammy being too sexy for broadcast was the beginning of the end, and that has literally only gotten progressively worse and worse. I had to do a double take when they announced that SF6 would have that gay shit that allows you to have James Chen commentating your games or whatever, it was so unbelievably stupid I didn't want to believe it.
>>746009185I hate when I think about returning to a game, see that there's a whole new season, or a few, of characters to buy (that doesn't go on discount, of course) and then just decide it's not worth it
>>746009302It feels like the games are forcefully made to suit a specific audience instead of having an organic growth based on their merits. It's just weird how out of touch I feel with certain things fightan related and it wasn't even that long ago. I meean I accept it but it's still bizarre.
Oh boy, I can't wait until Granblue Versus comes out on Switch 2 so I can play on wi-fi far away from the router
>>746009460Oh yeah every game has like 4+ gorillion seasons now because they all want to be live service games now. I hate that model and obsession with constant money flow.
>>746009528>It feels like the games are forcefully made to suit a specific audience instead of having an organic growth based on their merits.Once again, 100% agreeI wish I didn't, but it's so evident that denying it is just willful ignorance. And it IS a problem with the entire video game industry but since fighting games used to be niche, the shift seems even more jarring I guess.
>>745972401The more I actually read the document the more I realized this guy shouldnt have released it. If I were him he shouldve just saved that shit because nobody would ever hire him or any of his buddies (maybe except the Cannons and to some extent clockwork) ever again. This entire thing was a shit show.
