>impossible to beat without a guideThis is why the Point & Click genre died.
>impossible 13 year old me beat it without one, you're just bullshitting. Yes there were lots of moments where you had to brute force your way, but it would often amount to just a few hours lost and that was it
i beat this as a dumb kid. maybe you're just retarded...?
>>745972049I had to look up this puzzle I think
>>745972360>>745972375I'm sorry but that photo finish pic puzzle is impossible unless you actually knew how horse racing works (no one does).
>>745972049Bro, you don't even KNOW what a difficult P&C adventure game is. If anything GF's annoyance comes from WASD controls which leads to some hotspot bullshit.
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>>745972049Only the first two chapters are good, and even then not all of them. Dunno why Tim gets a free ride when he hasn't released a good game in 3 decades
1. not impossible at all, git smart2. not a point and click either
>>745972540you're just retarded or not paying attention. if you actually play the game you're practically hand-fed the solution. the cat dying, the blimp crashing, and the kitty hats are all connected to dates, all you have to do is talk to people or inspecting the displays at the race tracki'm also pretty sure these are the only dates the game even mentions so as long as you're paying attention you can simply just stumble upon the solution even if you didn't make the connections with the photo
>>745972049Probably one of the most obtuse games I've ever played in my life. I liked the story, voice acting, and general style of the game but holy fuck some of those puzzles were dog shit.
>>745972360>often amount to just a few hours
>>745973045As a kid and one without access to a massive library, spending too much time with a game wasn't a problem.
>>745972049I don't think anyone beat monkey island 2 without a guide
>>745973028Wrong you gotta understand how horse racing works and shit, it wasn't just a date it was like linked to how horse races are counted and how many are done in a year or something and none of this is explained.
>>745973167i think you're mixing that up with another puzzle. all you needed to do for that puzzle was get the date right on the betting ticket printer
>>745973349The date wasn't a date per se it was like Week and Race number and track number some bullshit.
>>745972049You're doing it wrong.I bought Full Throttle that was bundled with the guide.
>>745972049This is why when they made Thimbleweed Park, they added an in-game phone number you can call to tell your dumb ass what to do. Modern gamers have a melty when stuck.
It hurt me that I think all the voice actors of that game in my dub have died or now are long retired... 30 years... Still iconic.
>>745972049Nobody remembers the dogshit controls
>>745972049Riven is where it died, retard. As soon as you start the game and it that revolving cave door. It's absolutely fucking stupid. It's Kojima/Nolan levels of convolutedness just to impart faux depth or complexity to the shitshow to make it seem more grandeur than what it really seems.
>>745973681>Modern gamers have a melty when stuck.because modern games are designed to be intuited and if "puzzles" are included they're on the level of a six year old. no one is thought to actually THINK a problem, just respond with manual dexterity or follow obvious solutions.
the racing puzzle was bullshit
>>745973514race, week, and weekdaya dialog with max connects the airship crash with the cat death, and the cat's memorial says which week it wasa dialog with someone at the race track connects the kitty hats with the weekdaythe 6 is literally on the photoit's not that hard
>>745973167Wrong you are a kike
>>745972597>If anything GF's annoyance comes from WASD controls which leads to some hotspot bullshit.I remember that dark period when devs tried to adapt P&C games to gamepads so we got that shit. Telltale basically standardized it onward.
>>745972049Even in early 2000s GameFAQs was around with guides for almost every game.Thimbleweed Park and Return to Monkey Island both sold well.
>>745973795not true, the pain simply does not go away
>>745972049It's an okay game with a cool art direction
>>745973795they're tank controlsit's not that bad, basically every 3d game at the time had those controls
>>745973918>>745973936Wrong it's impossible not in the normal logic leap way but because there's too much stuff hinging on random dialog and noticing tiny shit.Awful.
>impossible to beat without a guidedid you tried having friends? family?because thats how i beat monkey island when i was a toddler
>>745972049Back then, kids could only afford one game, and the game had to be long and difficult, since you would probably have it for the rest of the year.
>>745973795no because most people have a working brain
>point and click adventure>look inside>have to soul read the developer to figure out what items to combine and where to stand to progressname 3 (three) games where this is false
>>745974418>real life>have to sould read god to figure out what items to combine or what to eat and not die
>>745974418Myst
The minuscule pixel in the steel door in that fucking island was retarded.IS the only thing i remember about the game
>>745972049>not point and clickWhat did she mean by this?
>>745974561Myst is obtuse at first until you realize the point of the library.>walk around and see switches>think they're for things that matter now>flip switches and look in other locations>see puzzles that are missing a pieceBut once you understand the library, the rest of the game is reasonable. The only part that I needed a hint on was that fucking lever in the weights puzzle.
>>745973167who the fuck doesnt understand how horse racing works lmaohorses run in a circle and whoever finishes first winsanon the problem is not with the game, it's that you are functionally retarded, and everyone here can see that now
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>>745974418Shtirlitz
>>745972540the problem isn't the photo it's the whole chapter. it's way too fucking open and there's way too many locations and people and different things you need to do and interactibles that only serve to throw you off. so you waste a ton of time wandering around a place that has literally no progression and do nothinglike the fucking stand-up bar, the game makes you think there's a puzzle with the open mic stage but all you can do is shout TURNING THE BATTLESHIP and other random sentences for no reason at all
This is by some distance the worst
>>745976441making fun of beatniks is a purpose in itself
theres a special adventure game IQ and you either have it or you dont.. I passenger seated while my retarded friend trial and errored his way through the faith of atlantis, monkey island 3, and other nonsense games as a kid. its a sight to behold
>>745974123>play puzzle game>uhhh its too focused on small details >le puzzles badNormals...
Reminder that 95% of the world doesn't know what a monkey wrench is, and seethes at the idea that Americans have the audacity to have their own slang.
>>745977073>that one puzzle in day of the tentacle in which you wash the car and it starts raininghow the fuck was a kid supposed to know washing your car causes rain? that's something you only find out when you're a car-owning adult
>>745976441Yeah, it's quite possible that the time I spent aimlessly wandering in that chapter surpassed the entire rest of my playtime. Still the peak of the game for me though, so many great little moments in there.
>>745977073>we need a remake to update the graphics and remove problematic stuff
>>745977540
>>745972049maybe for you, since your dumb
>>745972360that's not on fire
There are two kinds of people. People that know the cat mustache puzzle in Gabriel Knight 3 makes perfect logical sense, and people that just can't.
>>745977540>>745979310It's obviously an artistic choice. No accounting for taste, but c'mon
>>745977073>Reminder that 95% of the world doesn't know what a monkey wrench isBitch, I was taught this in English class in grade school.
do people realise that you had maybe one game every six months back then if you're lucky, so you had to stretch the gameplay as far as possible?
>>745972360Zoomers with nothing to do can't spare a few hours
>>745980995I really want to go back to that time.
>>745973834Holy fucking filtered holy shit
>>745980995that's bullshit tho I rented new games every week from the vidya shop.
>>745980995No? I had like 150 PS1 games
>>745980995>mails u 12 cds per year jam packed with demos for games that go on to become immortal classics
>>745972049>This is why the Point & Click genre died.I think it's much more about how other genres started being able to tell grand narratives with intricate worlds just as well as P&C games.Once that happened, there was little reason to play a P&C game when you could get as good of a story from an FPS or an RPG.That's why the genre of point and clicks shifted in the 2000s to casual games aimed moreso at women and people who weren't fans of traditional video games.Like the Nancy Drew or Sherlock Holmes series.
Guides were required for 90% of games back thenI mentioned this before but Wild Arms 2 literally has a random ass password in the second to last levelThat said GF was a great game. I stopped after the like third chapter or some shit but it was well done, cute.
>>745983683it's a lot more that so many of these studios were chasing profits and trends, if any of them were willing to settle for making smaller projects with smaller returns they would have just kept trucking along, but no major studio was going to do that because talented devs in the programming space with big names like Sierra and LucasArts were also the places to push new tech, and lotsa people also wanted to push new tech and weren't married to the genre of point and click. It was a means to an end for many people. Roberta Williams is an outlier in PnC/graphic adventures basically being exactly what she wanted to realize, but other people were just as interested in trying to do things beyond puzzle games or narrative-first design especially while that whole First Person Shooter thing was making people oodles of money and 3D games as a whole were the hot investment.
>>745973996I think more human world stuff would be genuinely interesting cause they dont dwell on it too long.Like are they all aware the grim reaper just exists in their world like Billy & Mandy?
>>745984018the human world was good precisely because it was just a tiny tease
>>745977540Meanwhile sea of thieves with no involvement from Ron Gilbert made a more faithful rendition.
>>745972049time to link the ancient textsDeath of Adventure Gameshttps://www.oldmanmurray.com/features/77.html
>>745984270what is this even supposed to mean? do you think he wanted to make a rendition like that but couldn't or whatthe whole art style was just the dude's choice, people can have bad taste
>>745984378Well with a low budget yeah you cant do anything but hire a guy off twitter to do the artstyle for your game cause he liked his art from 2011. He hated monkey island 3 so there is spite involved not just his poor taste.
>>745983848I think you were just stupid no offensePeople back then knew to interact with literally every single thing no matter if it made sense or notIt's only now people make stupid posts about old games "duhhh how were you meant to KNOW??" that's the fucking thing, you weren't meant to know anything, you were expected to just TRY
>>745984493he coulda chosen lots of styles if he wanted you can just stop pretending there's some kinda nefarious motive instead of just not liking the art he doesI loved MI3 btw so keep that in mind when I say this, but of course he would, who the fuck would really enjoy watching other people bumble around with something you hold personally dear as a major project? it's not like he held the rights or got to decide and likewise he wasn't the only cook that mattered but he's entitled to dislike other people continuing his work all he wants
>>745972049early 3D killed the point and click genre. Instead of trying to push for new and ugly tech they should have tried to adjust their writing. I got bored of the sarcastic sassy lines in games.
>>745984548rose coloured glasses/wishful thinking of how it wasthe truth is most nefarious little secrets and difficult things were communally problem solvedyou had friends that played these games and you'd swap tips, both adults and kids, most people weren't playing these games alone at all with nothing but their own brain and no outside sources. Also of course anywhere in this chain someone might have called a hint line or had the guide themselves, so you'd be getting hints from someone who had the guide and didn't solve it themselves etc. They were in fact communal entertainment and not single person brain benders.
how did you guys get past putting up the sign in the right place when driving around in the car?
>>745985095i engaged the third digit in my iq (mind you i've still got 40-some working on contemplating tits so if you focus a bit even you in the room temperature club should be able to solve the puzzle)
>>745984629Im sure he feels bitter the same way ken levine does about bioshock 2 being a better product than anything he made for his own IP.
>>745972049gonna be real, this game is overrated as fucknot really saying it's particularly bad but you'd think it was the most brilliant shit ever by how hard people jerk it off but both at the time and with the hindsight of 20+ years I don't see the magic anyone else does, it was just okay. It's certainly a more creative premise than plenty of its contemporaries but that's really most of what it has to offer I feel like. A novel setting.
>>745985418style is substance and GF has a whole lot of style
>>745985397maybe yeahfrom what I've read of his ramblings about monkey island over the years I don't really think he's ever gotten over people liking monkey island without his involvementthat said I don't think most people consider 3 better than the first two games. I might though, it's almost certainly my favourite and my most replayed one.
>>745980876I only learned shit like office objects, objects you might encounter on the streets and directions/days. I learned what "upgrade" means by playing starcraft 1, school didn't help me much in my english vocab.Then there is the question if you even played the game in english or translated and how they translate the puzzles. There is a way to run MI1+2 with translated text and english voice if you really want to rage.
>>745985519I agree with you. Monkey 3 is peak.
>>745972912He wasnt getting free rides per say he just had more sway at LucasArts because Full Throttle did well and that allowed him to take a risk on Grim.Even after Lucas he definitely wasnt getting anything handed to him they almost had to cancel psychonauts 1 when microsoft changed CEOs then for years after had to run from publisher to publisher for funding. Then selling out to microsoft just to polish psychonauts 2 only for them to once again pull out, fire 30 employees and now need to shop around for funds again.
>>745985519>that said I don't think most people consider 3 better than the first two gamesit is and i was not aware this was the least bit controversial
>>745985519The ending of monkey island 2 says all you need to know about that mans mental state.
>>745985856I don't think it's controversial I just think there's a lot of people that love the first two games. I can understand it but I think 3 is about as close to timeless as any PnC gets. Anyone can enjoy it with no knowledge of the medium or even really video games.
>>745985853At this point I think he's fucked because quite honestly Psychonauts 1 is the last game he did anyone broadly gave a real shit about. I'm kinda talking out of my ass because I don't really know the situation that well but I get the impression he's a fine idea guy but dogshit at managing projects after all the kickstarter problems and general trouble with double fine getting shit out.
>>745986365Basically just watch the Psychonauts 2 documentary and watch how many employees just vanish by the end of that project. Tim is not a good boss and fools around too much and everybody working under him has to suffer for it. Its tragic seeing OG Psychonauts 1 devs leaving because Tim picked a producer who only made company morale worse.
>>745986584I've been meaning to watch that, I've heard it's really fascinating and one of the best views the public really has into the meat of game production let alone the specific context of Tim Schafer's failingsThanks for reminding me of it
>>745986584>the downside of that was is that when you went to work with Chris Roberts you did everything exactly the way he said to do it period or you were fired almost immediately uh no second chances. you either did it that way or you were not part of his team. so as a place where you know only certain individuals could survive it I mean they had to be one very talented but on the other hand they also had to be very subservient uh in their demeanorRichard Gariott about Chris in a 2007 conGenius minds are often hard to work with
>>745986882Yeah basically inviting a stranger to your company with a very different work ethic comparable to a triple A studio boss only leads to disaster.
>>745986882sounds more like a power-tripping sperg
>>745980408RUN, YOU PIGEONSIT'S ROBERT FROST
>>745987275pretty much what lots of the early big name devs wereyou get some autists that can write code good in the 80s and then become project managers when that has fuckall to do with what they actually know how to dopeople often mistake incredible knowledge in one area as at least meaning good knowledge in others, but it never means that, never, you can be the world's most brilliant programmer and still a complete and total retard at directing 5 people to build something
>>745983913That's true.I mean low budget PnC titles were a major thing in Europe through the 2000s, and have been a mainstay of indie games since the 2010s
>>745988250YepNo reason some of these studios couldn't have really just kept going on, we could have King's Field 38 by now or whatever if at any point someone was alright with making some money instead of (maybe?) all the money
>>745988325>King's Fieldyou know what I meant dammit, fuckfucking kings and their quests and their fields and their shitty fucking owl friends
The only bullshit puzzle in the game is the Signpost in the Fossil Forest. Outside that one Grim Fandango is rather easy.
>>745972049La-Mulana is harder to beat without a guide than literally any of the old point & click games.
>>745980995>my ps1 library was 80 original games . without counting piracy>dreamcast/gamecube was 21-25 each console>i was always primary a pc no i dont
>>745984816>rose coloured glasses/wishful thinking of how it wasyes the reason i went around shooting every door in resident evil to see if any unlocked without the key or after getting the rocket launcher didn't happenkill yourself retard
>>745988948because you had no friends to asksorry bout that but most people did
>>745988806king's quest 6 will absolutely give it a run for its money
>>745980876A lot of people complained and were filtered because they call it a pipe chazzwazzer.
>>7459890595 is worse
>>745988806I'll be the first in line to shill for La-Mulana, but let's be real, most of its difficulty stems from the poor translation of the tablet texts. La-Mulana 2 is a lot easier to progress simply because it's better translated.
>>745989116Literally what were they fucking thinking with that catKing's Quest's dead man walking scenarios are so fucking evil it's unreal
>>745972049This is one of the easiest point and clicks, all the problems I had with it came from having a CPU too fast for the original release to handle which made some puzzles impossible.
>>745972049>>impossible to beat without a guide>This is why the Point & Click genre died."Point and click adventure games" (and other) unironically died because gamers became dumber, so yeah it's true. Everything is getting dumber.
>>745991627yeah that's what plato said a few thousand years ago toobe less of an NPC
>>745991756Please don't mention that jerk Plato in my presence ever again.
>>745991914Only if you tell me where I might buy such a fine leather jacket
>>745991914based anticommunist
Why would you play an old adventure game without a guide. After 10 minutes of thinking, it's no longer fun. There reward for eventually coming up with a solution is diminished returns after that 10 minutes. Hell, it's even less than that. When I play games, I maximize my fun.
>>745973045I was stuck on the Mario RPG "pearls" puzzle for over a week. I was 9, but still.
>>745972049Forces you to enjoy areas before you move on. rewarding you with new for checking out everything. Good system even if requiring a guide.
>>745992323what's the fun in being told what to do? is this a sub thing?
That's not the Nomad SoulNow that one had obtuse as fuck puzzles
>>745973795I had to play with my forearms crossed over one another
>>745972485I have locked an opened door
>>745976662It was also bugged in some versions where you couldn't get the elevator to stop
>>745972049Commie propaganda
>>745988806Yeah mostly because you're expected to whip EVERY SINGLE WALL in the entire game to beat it
>>745980595SNEED
>>745972049>remember that card
>>745996076A dud?
>>745972049I wish I could erase my memory of this game so I can enjoy playing it all over again, but once you know all the puzzles even if you forget some it's never quite the same experience as the first time around.I only got stuck on the 2nd year which is the longest one / most open. I got filtered by three things there1. I didn't think to use the gold liquor on Manny, I had forgotten you could use items on him too2. I don't remember how to figure out the forklift issue3. The morgue was hidden from me somehow, I didn't even know that section existed somehow I missed the lead/stairs to it every time, maybe if I had found it i wouldn't need to check a guide.Literally everything else in the game I did completely on my own but I will always regret not being able to piece together those missing bits in Chapter 2
>>745995779i'm more than happy to curbstomp commies; please explain how grim fandango repesented an above-genx-baseline pro-communist position.
>>745996654>I wish I could erase my memory of this game so I can enjoy playing it all over againWhen did you last play it? I played it 20+ years ago and no longer remember the specifics.
