Why does /v/ say PS2 is stronger than GameCube?Playing RE4 PS2. So many graphical effects are reduced in detail. Even more noticeably are the water, shadow, and fog effects, heat distortion/refraction effects in the castle's big lava room are also totally absent on PS2. as well as a reduced draw distance, missing many lighting effects, absence of all specular highlights and water effects needed to be re-designed (ripple with transparency, but a flat surface with no reflections), the barrels that Leon breaks throughout the game are missing a circular rim on the top compared to the GameCube, character model physics were also downgraded or completely removed due to the sacrificial and downgrading of model quality such as Ada's hair, Leon's back hair, Ashley's hair, boobs and Skirt being no longer animated as they were in the original GC game release.Less enemies to save on memory and worse AI routines in general. Audio is completely muffled.
>>745978284It's not really fair to compare a game that was made specifically for [Hardware] and then ported to [Other Hardware] since we really don't have any way of knowing how RE4 would have looked had it been developed for PS2 first, then ported to GC.
>>745978812We don't need to even ask, the PS2 is considered significantly less powerful than both the GCN and Xbox. It was well known even back then. Sony wanted to reach the market first. Anyone who's ever played the 3 systems know for a fact that the PS2 was laughably underpowered. Medal of Honor Frontline was a slide show on PS2.
>>745978284This is a PS2 game running at 60 FPS.Not even the Xbox has a comparable game that doesn't fall short.
>>745979009Multiplats tend to be sloppily ported.
Ps2 is stronger than xbox too, dont know what you're smoking OP
>>745978284>Why does /v/ say PS2 is stronger than GameCube?in graphical neutral terms it's widely agreed that it's the more capable system, if you were intending to design the most extensive gameplay simulation with rudimentary graphics you would pick the ps2 over the gamecube.
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>>745978284Nobody sane would ever say the PS2 was stronger than a Gamecube
>>745978284The only reason it was ported to PS2 was because it flopped on gaycubecubebabbies only play bing bing wahoo
>>745979668ps2 wasn't stronger, ps2 IS strongert. mensa qualified iq
>>745979795>mensaof course
generally games are best on the hardware they're made for first. they each had something the other didn't.sometimes if a developer was skilled enough they could transition between platforms without obvious compromises, but usually not.
It is more powerful. You won't find any cubie game with the fidelity of GoW, Gran Turismo or Shadow of the Colossus.
>>745979791the only reason it got ported to the ps2 was because crapcum was a piece of lying shit like they were alwaysjust like you are still butthurt about remake 0 and twin snakes 25 years later because your retarded teenager ass if you was even born back then couldn't afford both consoles
>>745980316>remakedemake>0out of ten>twin snakesotacon_falling.webm
>>745978284Its always RE4 that cubefags use as a argument but dont mention that RE4 had to be ported that same fucking year because Capcom saw the writing on the wall with how terribly their games were selling on the Gamecubenow how about games that released simultaneously on both systems?
>>745980316remake is kino>0 and twin snakesu can keep that crap
>Why does /v/ say99% of the posters here are retarded, OP. glad we got this cleared up for (You), newfag.
>>745980316>Twin Snakes a game nobody defends and most of the MGS fanbase agrees was a dogshit remakeNot only that but somehow gets visually mogged by MGS2 despite releasing a year later
>>745979795>PS2>GC>strongNot even close.
>>745978284You're completely correct. The GameCube is often thought of as the weakest of its gen but it's actually arguably the most powerful, although Xbox beats it in a few places. There are many multiplatform games which are best on GameCube for this reason and also because GameCube would games last. Since you couldn't update games the Xbox/PS2 would frequently get the "beta" version of multiplat games while GameCube would have the most up to date with the least bugs and even sometimes more content. Wreckless the Yakuza Missions and Kelly Slaters Surfing are two games that gave extra content on GameCube simply because the game wasn't really complete when released on the other consoles and they still had stuff they were working on which only got completed in time for the GameCube release. And considering how much better Dolphin emulation is than the other two consoles you should pretty much always get the GameCube version for emulation
>>745980316>the only reason it got ported to the ps2 was because crapcum was a piece of lying shit like they were alwaysshould have bought more copies Cubefriend :^)None of the GC RE games managed to even outsell one of the PSX RE gamesHell both REremake AND RE4 got outsold by the first RE Outbreak game, a fucking spinoffno wonder Capcom decided to port it
>>745980539>now how about games that released simultaneously on both systems?You mean on all 3.
>>745981102I don't think anyone disputes that the Xbox was the most powerful.
>>745979234>>745979596>>745979380>>745979795>>745980205>>745980539>>745980853>>745981078I accept your concession.
>>745981146Up until 360's MW release indeed. 360 mogged ALL the others before PC modding pushed it to 11.
>>745980316>if you wasEbonics doesn't make your retarded take look more valid.
>>745978284>slimI liked my slim but getting a 500gb HDD and OPL running on my phat is a dream. and yeah after playing RE4 GCN for the first time around a year ago I agree, the cube version looks better for sure. RE4 PS2 isn't so compromised to make it not worth playing though I think, and the added content is pretty nice.
>>745978284Who says that? Gamecube was the last time Nintendo bothered with the graphics arms race. The only problem was Nintendo with their continued hard on for gimping storage, so you have those mini discs with less space than the PS2 DVDs.I think Xbox was a bit more powerful than the GC.>>745979009>>745980957These niggas get it
>>745979009>PS2 is considered significantly less powerful than both the GCN and XboxPS2 games game discs could have up to 5x more content (8.5GB dual-layer DVD) instead of 1.5GB GC mini discs. Even the single layer PS2 discs have 3x more capacity than GC discs. Nintendo first-party games that look and run nicely on GC were meticulously optimized to do so while still turning a profit at the average middle-class family entertainment budget. You could not run a highly detailed open-world game like San Andreas on Gamecube, but you can run a low poly cartoon Zelda game on the high seas (flat plane mesh with ocean shader applied).
>>745981730>Xbox was a bit more powerful than the GC.Try much more powerful.>64MB DDR - upgradeable to 256MB with mods>x86 CPU - 733MHz Celeron, upgradeable to 1.4GHz with mods>x86 GPU - custom Geforce 3, 233MHz GPU clock>8 or 10GB HDD, upgradeable to 16TB via mods
>>745981903>You could not run a highly detailed open-world game like San Andreas on GamecubeGTA VC just got a 60fps gamecube port.
>>745982265>mouse cursor on screenis that running on actual hardware or an emulator?
>>745981903How does the scale of San Andreas compare to Spider-Man 2's NYC?
>>745982373It's the slop PC decomp sloppily running on the slopcube emulator at at 60fps with all the slopstar glitches that creep up above 30fps
>>745982767Think you can fit anymore slops in there?
>>745982265NTA you were replying to but VC and 3 could run on Dreamcast. (and as far as I remember they got ported to DC successfully)San Andreas is far beyond what the DC and GC can do definitely. Even the PS2 version was basically raping the GS worse than a gangbang.
>>745982809I tried, but ran out of minidvd disc space
>>745983158Better open up another data center.
>>745980957>Since you couldn't update games the Xbox/PS2 would frequently get the "beta" version of multiplat games while GameCube would have the most up to date with the least bugs and even sometimes more contentwell, these exist for all the console since 6th generation is really before online/patches became standard consoles.i was curating a list of from that era based on exclusive content and this is what i came up withXbox>Aggressive InlineExclusive Zoo level>Test Drive: Off-Road Wide OpenExclusive stadium race mode, as well as a secret moon level and moon buggy vehicle>Tench: Return from Darkness2 exclusive characters, 2 levels, some qol features>Godzilla: Destroy All Monsters MeleeExclusive MechaGodzilla character, more areas, 4 player CPU battle modes, etc>THPS3Exclusive Rig level, X-ray Character>Mat Hoffman's Pro BMX 2 Exclusive London level and rider Chad Kagy>Fatal Frame 1 and 2Extra endings, costumes, difficulty mode, etc>Genma Onimusha New enemy placement, Increased difficulty, a slightly rebalanced upgrade system, a new green soul type that allows you to become invincible, new enemies, etcGameCube>4x4 EVO 2 4 exclusive tracks, 4 more trucks>Transworld Surf [Next Wave]13 exclusive characters, extra level, etcPS2>Crash Tag Team RacingIf you link the it with the PSP version, you can unlock an extra vehicle for each character and 2 more battle arenas>SpongeBob Lights, Camera, Pants! Exclusive unlockables if you have save files for Nicktoons: Unite, Tak: The Great Juju Challenge, and Barnyard. These extras cannot be found in the GameCube and Xbox versions of the game https://youtu.be/TzQU3UxU-1g>Def Jam Vendetta (Japanese version ONLY)Features 2 extra fighters who are Japanese rappers>PowerdromeSupposedly has an exclusive character named Nexus (I can't find shit about this game's unlockable differences online)Xbox/GC>Dave Mirra Freestyle BMX2Exclusive Greenville and Venice levels>Simpsons Road Rage
>>745978284we have never said that
>>745981146>>745981287>Up until 360's MW release indeed. 360 mogged ALL the others before PC modding pushed it to 11.Capcom targeted Xbox 360 hardware for Dead Rising, DMC4 and RE5
Exclusive minor cutscene with Kang and Kodos after you grind out 1 million $>BMX XXXUncensored (Supposedly the European PS2 version is uncensored like the Gamecube and Xbox)>Burnout 2Both have an extra 15 Crash Junctions absent from the PS2 version, but the OG Xbox also has 21 more car skins exclusive to it. if you know of more let me know
>>745983023The guy that ported VC to the GC recently says that isn't the case. He says that the GC's processor can run it better than both the PS2 and DC.
>>745983472Dead Rising was so designed for modern hardware both graphics wise and UI wise it was basically wholly unreadable on CRTs because the text was designed for larger LCD screens lmao.
>>745982265>Using the trigger clicks for fireThat's actually pretty cool
>>745981287360MW is a different game actually, I mean it uses carbon updated engine rather than PS2 one like every other release.
>>745982438Scale is one thing, and detail is another. San Andreas has a massive variety of building shapes, terrain deformation, winding roads, and different art styles and textures for different areas. Spider Man 2's NYC is huge, yes, but can you really tell one area from another? Most of the buildings are not very detailed, have fewer textures, and the city is basically a flat plane at ground level without many hills.
>>745983436Oooo, interesting. Good work anon
>>745981903>You could not run a highly detailed open-world game like San Andreas on GamecubeYou and I have separate definitions of "run" and my gamecube has an ODE.
>>745981903Xenoblade run on Wii just fine and areas are bigger than SA map.GC would have zero issues with any renderware GTA games, is just disk size. Also SA chugs like a bitch on PS2.
>>745978284>using a famously bad port as an exampleokey
>>745984545That would be SADX.
>>745978284>Why does /v/ say PS2 is stronger than GameCube?Nobody fucking says that
>>745984423Wii was 50% faster and had a lot more RAM.
>>745984660Most ports from Dreamcast to anything else are visibly compromised because of order-independent transparency.
just beat re4 og today, is professional a lot harder than normal? i 100% remake, is it harder than remake?
>>745984864If you know what you're doing, Professional isn't a huge step up in difficulty. If you're still not used to the OG mechanics, it'll probably be a good challenge for you.
>>745984864Professional is definitely harder, enemies hit super hard but aside from that I don't know if it's any different. You get less loot also but it's still plenty imo.
>>745984937i died 13 times on my first run, desu majority of it was in that stupid castle cage with one garrador
>>745984864RE4 have dynamic difficulty, do well and game inflate HP and throw more enemies, die too much and opposite happens. Professional just lock the difficulty on hard setting.Is not that hard on NG+ but fresh saves can be hellish if you don't know game mechanics well or enemy placement.
REmake and RE0 ports also have issues.Resident Evil (2002) HD REMASTER>some lighting and shadows are absent due to Capcom loosing the source code of the pre rendered backgrounds>black levels are crushed to an absurd degree in some sections. Not to mention some audio/music issue I remember hearing abouthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRIIad9ji3w>Capcom did not have the source files anymore>They even released a promo video back during REmakes release with a camera going through the 3D model for the mansion. These models are forever lost...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l80nGSuHQNYResident Evil Zero HD REMASTER>RE0 GameCube has better shadows>shadows missing from the train car >broken glass missing from the train carhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1_rTdPjBQ4>Capcom still had access to the original backgrounds and FMVs, and those were created at a high resolution. They actually had to scale the images down when they developed the game for the GameCube>Tose still had all the raw source files for the backgroundshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaLfiu1XP7M>The properties of each file shows that most of the backgrounds (particularly on the train sequence) are stored at an unusual resolution of 1588x1392 - while later spots decode at 1536x1344. Essentially, both values are lower than the 1920x1080 on the horizontal axis - for those playing in 4:3, this means you'll be getting a near 1:1 pixel match on the horizontal scale (with the side portions of the screen boxed out, and the active pixels matching the output resolution)>Resident Evil Zero HD on PC runs at two different frame-rates then - the user-definable value set in the options, plus the hard-locked 30fps of the base background files. In the end, having the game animate at two separate rates doesn't distract (the backgrounds are mostly static, after all) but it is a curious hold-over from a different era in game design>Rebecca Chambers was modeled after Ayumi Hamasaki
>>745984851>order-independent transparency.Honestly it baffles me that only recently GPUs got this kind of feature.
>>745983526the GC's CPU is better but its graphics processor is madly weaker than a PS2. the SRAM and higher bandwidth cannot overcome how it has something like 1/3rd the GPU pipelines
>>745985409Sonic Adventure 2 also had Specular and Stencil Shadows
