what's our final /v/erdict on this game?how does it rank among the other SMT games?is it better or worse than Persona?discuss
>>745990018It's the best one.
>>745990018I think it's the best entry in the series.>is it better or worse than Persona?It depends on exactly which entry you're comparing it to. In general, it has better gameplay and a weaker story and cast of characters.
>just finish playing obscure game and open /v/>there is suddenly a thread made for that exact gameWhat is the explanation for this?
>>745990018best gameplay in series.
>>745990018The story and characters are outright shit and the best way to experience the game is to ignore them all which I feel is a shame.Gameplay wise... the system is fairly good but I'd probably say the game is a little too easy? I only remember the bosses for being damage sponges. The bonus bosses aren't as bad as Strange Journey but you're not given incentives to experiment and actually have fun with the systems.Music is kinda shit... None of it sticks with you. It's Shiva theme or bust.And I don't think it's really replayable either as a final nail in the coffin since selecting all your demons skills as well as the voices thing means you're playing with the same zero weaknesses demons every playthrough and none of the route exclusive content is worth the time if you want to do a chaos or law run
>>745991262>shin megami tensei>obscure
>>745991262>SMT>obscureJust because it's not mainstream normie slop doesn't mean it's obscure
>>745990018I loved Nocturne and I love this game.
>>745991262damn what a coincidence, I'm playing this obscure game right now too
>>745991371>the voices thingwhat's that
>>745990018It's personafag's first SMT (its success is proof of that) and people who unironically say it has the best gameplay don't know the meaning of "gameplay">"b-but it has the best combat"it doesn't even have the best turn-based combat of 2024
>>745990018Open world is pretty mehRPG Combat is excellentStory still sucks but better than vanilla V.7/10 game.
>>745990018The biggest pitfalls it encounters (aside from the OG's troubled development cycle) is that it can't commit to being the 3 sequel it wants to be and that 3D development workflow in the more current gens is antithetical to the structure of the series. They can't, at least not with the budget they have, engage meaningfully with the absurd amount of demons the series typically brings to the table and at the same time give you proper dungeons to crawl. In terms of the 3 connections, I think the sequel reveal was originally supposed to be the 4-style twist of the game but they pussied out to avoid 4A mirrors or something. This leads to the story feeling half-assed even on the best day, as whole chunks had either been removed or left undeveloped at a point. Even Vengeance suffers from this, it would've been an almost perfect re-write had they actually gone through with it. I think a good comparison is probably FFXV, although I think SMTV is significantly less dogshit.
>>745991695I've forgotten what it's called... It let's you pick out a bunch of spells and passives for your demon. There was a version of it in Strange Journey that you could also use to bypass any weaknesses.
>>745991262We're gangstalking you
>>745990018IV and IV:A unironically better.
>>745991793explain why the combat isnt good without sounding like a chud
>>745992034>inb4 Trails
>>745991371It has the best OST in the series
>>745992129>better than IVfucking lmao
>>745992034I never said the combat isn't good
alices game
Just finished Vengeance route today, personally I rank it above IV in terms of gameplay although the writing and overall plot structure could be better. I don't get why it gets a lot of hate here although I suppose some people really didn't like exploring the Da'at areasThat being said, I don't think it tops Strange Journey as the best game in the series and would rather replay it over V.
The endgame being balanced around you stacking a whole bunch of amps is pretty shit. You're so much better than anything your demons can put out and your sustain is basically just spamming full heal magatsuhi skills. It's a huge fucking stall fest
>>745992129Its not even in the top five bruv. Even if you exclude the Persona titles it's blown out of the water by 4 and A, Strange Journey, Soul Hackers, and Devil Survivors. The soundtrack is mid and that's fine.
>>745992445Dreadful post, please cease posting.
>>745990018The only thing this game needed to be truly great was just more narrative. It didn't even had to be good narrative, just more. Because halfway-through it's like the story just stops. Like I'm not exaggerating, the story it just stops existing. The second half of the game is like a glorified tech demo or an unfinished game because there is nothing there. I thought Vengeance would fix it but it didn't, it just added a bit more narrative to the first half, which didn't need it, but the second half is still just as empty as it was on vanilla... The fuck were they thinking? This was their chance to finish/fix the fucking game and they fucked it up again.
>>745990018Kino
>>745994073>>745994314the duality of man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqlaY9Dqw4c
>>745990018I played P5R last year and started playing SMTV recently. It's pretty difficult, desu. Persona was like a VN with very light JRPG elements and braindead combat(except Okumura). This game has 1% of the dialogue and is all just the JRPG stuff with the difficulty ramped to 11.
>>745994561Why was the music so comfy and groovy?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnDnxdNQ87Y
I have reached the conclusion that i don't care for demon fusion. When i played Nocturne i found the problem was the game not telling what skills a demon would eventually unlock so you needed to check external sources but even when they fixed this i still find the concept of checking a fusion chart, recruiting demons just for them to be fusion fodder, grinding a demon just for some specific skill i want in a future demon, etc. to be really boring.I will no longer play SMT games. I am fine with Etrian Odyssey tho. Job system autism > demon fusion autism.
>>745994848>you needed to check external sourcesJust play the fucking game holy shit. Wait until you learn that a bunch of skills in EO also don't tell you what you get when you level them up, and that some of them even lower your damage when you upgrade.
SMTVV has all the gameplay elements I ever want in an atlus game. And it's truly like 99% gameplay which is fantastic metaphor and soul hackers 2 if it had a higher budget are what I what from persona adjacents, P5 arena too but that's never happeningPersona itself is only tolerable because of the music, gameplay wise it's the fucking worst with 70% of it literally being visual novel and it's completely braindead even on hardest
>>745990018>what's our final /v/erdict on this game?Alice out of 10>how does it rank among the other SMT games?Best one>is it better or worse than Persona?is Persona even a game?
>>745994848zoomer moment
>>745990018I still wish the game had more of a focus on liminal indoor spaces like the series always had.That's what I was looking forward to.
it's fine i suppose but i think the game turn into grinding hell if you want to go balls deep into godborn mode and try to finish every single virtual battles and i'm not that autistic enough to do that, hell i only completed 1 major route and it already took 60 hours
>>745990018I am someone that has beaten>Persona 3: FES (Party Control Mod)>Persona 4: Golden>Persona 5: Royal>Persona 3: Reload>Metaphor: ReFantazioI want to get into Shin Megami Tensei and view the steam versions of the 3 remaster and 5 Vengeance as the best entry points. The ask is, which one and why? Any assistance is necessary. Also I'll admit I'm horseshit at RPGs.
>>745995278Get VVIf you like that then get 3
>le Vengeance route writing redemption arcI don't care how shit the original game's writing was, whenever they try and be self aware about it with an apology route like that it loses its sincerity. The whole thing felt lazy, oh you can go to a new area but it has the same shit as the area you don't go to in this route.
>>745995278my pipeline was 5>3>4>4A(not completed yet though)>SJR (also not completed yet)>1>2>if.,,you can ask me some other spinoff like soul hackers 1 and 2, DDS, TMS if you like
>>745991371>It's Shiva theme or bust.You pick the shittest one
>>745995278>Also I'll admit I'm horseshit at RPGsRPGs are barely a step up above visual novel. Literally babby's first genre how can you be bad at fucking menu simulators.Anyways SMT 1/2 are completely skippable if you want something modern. Nocturne is a bad starting point because it's ridiculously old fashioned with random encounters that lead to death. Start with VV and then if you like it go to 4 or 3. Basically don't start with fucking 3
>>745990018Should've actually finished the vanilla game and then maybe just done a SMTV Apocalypse with a new story and reused assets instead. This bullshit they pulled on people who bought vanilla really burned me on the series
>>745990018its nocturne with a worse battle systemand worse dungeonsand worse environmentsand worse story surprisinglyI liked it but as a smt it was a cake walking simulatoryou have to go out of your way to not use broken demons
>>745991262SMTV gets daily threads
>>745995617I think it has better everything than Nocturne, but I've never really understood why Nocturne gets so much praise. I think Nocturne is the weakest entry in the series.
>>745996519it gets praised for the vibes
>>745990018Its excellent, but the maps kinda suck (4 +1 maps of open desert areas) 3 actual dungeons. The story in Vanilla is kinda bad, but Vengance kinda rectifies this by making more sense and having a better structure (still not very good though). Most of the boss fights are kino though and I wish they'd kept the "boss talks shit, try and talk shit back for a buff/debuff" mechanic in IV
>>745990018The only people willing to play it were V fags who have shit taste. Is it better than V? Probabaly but that's a low bar considering it's the worst mainline game
>>745991262>Newest SMT>ObscureThe problem is you
>>745997134Now taking bets on whether this anon thinks Nocturne or IV are the best SMT games. 3 has 6:1 odds, with a whopping 3:1 for IV. Place your bets now ladies and gentlemen.
>>745997384Best mainline is SJ. Nice try though SJ>1>4>3>2>>>>>5
>>745997480Vfags rely so much on their worse Nocturne that they think those two are the only games in the franchise, which is understandable since they all got into the franchise 2 years ago kekbased SJ enjoyer
>>745990018Its the most fun one to me personally, even before being Vengeance.>how does it rank among the other SMT games?The best one of them.>is it better or worse than Persona?I had more fun with this one than any of the most "recent" Persona games so way better.They should add more demons in future updates.
>>745997747>even before being Vengeance.Absolutely shit taste. The only worse (English released) Megaten games are DDS and SH2
>>745991371I dont know how you could find the music shit get a new set of ears.https://youtu.be/TK72sfCwkOo
>>745997935It's shit mait. Played it with my wife (female) and it's one of the first things she said about it after the dogshit story/characters
>>745998067>letting a foid define your own opinionsGet a grip.
>>745998236>Implying I didn't already have that opinion>Having such shit taste even a foid has a better opinionThe only one who needs to get a grip is the one with massive recency bias
>>745998279>recency biasThis game came out two years ago.
>>745998067>maitkys mate
>>745990018The extra content in vengeance is great, just get it on sale. 5 ran like shit on the switch, so I'm glad it got a pc port. I like it almost as much as strange journey and the ps2 version of nocturne.
>>745998328It's also true most recent game retard
>>745990018The story feels like a second draft rather than an actual good story, but it's better then the sack of shit original V story, even if that isn't saying much the ending having Aogami come back is AS BAD as IV Apocalypse conveniently changing Dagda into a gooder Dagda. Gameplay wise it's the best in the series, I feel like ailment teams are mostly viable and I hope they add more build variety in later games. I just wish Godborne changed movesets for bosses or something, it should have had more effort put into it rather than just stat bloat.
>>745990018The gameplay is good and is like a greatest hits in terms of mechanics for the series. But outside of the super bosses, it is also the easiest SMT game and there are way too many broken features like the changes to press turn to make it more lenient and the magatsuhi skills (omagatoki critical and strategize). They also shifted the direction of the series from its dungeon crawler roots and turn it towards a open world type game.
>>745998523>it is also the easiest SMT game and there are way too many broken featuresPeople still kinda found it difficult even after that which is kinda jarring, first timers celebrating about killing hydra is kinda nice to see though given how ballbusting other of the "filter" bosses were
>>745996519>but I've never really understood why Nocturne gets so much praiseThe time it was released made a huge difference. The dante crossover, the multiple endings, and the ost were fucking game changers compared to ffx and other jrpgs at the time.>>745995278The pc version of nocturne is shit. Emulate the ps2 version. If you like nocturne, Get SMT5 vengeance whenever it goes on sale and try emulating SMT: strange journey. The ds version still holds up.
>>745998523>They also shifted the direction of the series from its dungeon crawler roots and turn it towards a open world type game.They did that years ago with Nocturne, man.
>>745998654>People still kinda found it difficult even after that which is kinda jarringBecause it's their first SMT and they arent used to any resistance in turn based games
>>7459987633 is still a dungeon crawler it's just a 3d dungeon crawler anon
>>745990018>what's our final /v/erdict on this game?pretty mid desu. the story didn't grab me at all, I didn't even finish it.
>>745998841No, it isn't. It's nothing like 1, 2 or SJ at all. It's just a jrpg that has dungeons, otherwise everything is a dungeon crawler including V.
>>745999138It's literally just 1 or 2 but in 3d. V has one fucking dungeon in the entire game which got gutted. You could have at least used IV for your point but alas. V fags
>>745999227nooo anon, you have to understand that V has a lot of dungeons, its just that they are the open world part of the game now lmao
>>745999227Its not, you are dumb and retarded. A true dungeon crawler is something like Etrian Odyssey, 3 is far from that.
>>745999227>It's literally just 1 or 2 but in 3d.I guess everything is Strange Journey now, gameplay differences and balance be damned. It has a teleport maze after all. Then again you're randomly deflecting to insulting an imaginary person, so it's no surprise you're retarded.
>>745999410Brother I guarantee I have played more EO than you. SMT 3 is pretty much the standard for 3rd person JRPG dungeon crawlers
>>745999410Nocturne has a feature to change perspectives into first person and once you do that, you can see how it's obviously designed as a dungeon crawler.
>>745999410>>745999410a true dungeon crawler is something like old school Wizardry, not EO and its handholdy approach, sorry anon
>>745995278>Persona 3: FES (Party Control Mod)
>>745999485What's a 3rd person dungeon crawler then
>>745998507>The story feels like a second draft rather than an actual good storyThat's because it was, theres early videos online showing Tao with you right from the beginning of the story arriving in Da'at's first area. even before that there were plans to make Nahobino the first female protag before making him androgynous male.
>>745995278None. Thank you bye bye. If you want to try the series start from "1" then work your way up
>>745999138>Nocturne's "dungeons">actual hazards to contend with like damage floors, dark rooms, pitfalls, warps and dungeon-specific hazards>random encounters so you WILL get into battles on your way through>V's "dungeons">uhhh walk around enemies in big wide areas>and hit L to warp back to safety at any instant>the concept of managing anything outside of combat simply does not existif V is a dungeoncrawler it's a dogshit oneit's also not an interesting open world
>>745990018It's my favourite game in the entire series and possibly my favourite game of all-time. I put over 100 hours into my first playthrough.Eisheth best girl btw.
>>745999624A term you made up to pretend Nocturne is different from other 3D jrpgs instead of just calling it a jrpg with good dungeons.
>>745990018for me it'sSMT 1 > 3 > 2 > VV > 4 > Vas for better than persona? Hard to say for sure, I quite like P4 and P5R's light dating sim stuff (P3's is kind of underbaked, though I do appreciate having to somewhat juggle the girls) it makes the games more replayable for me because I like trying to optimize my time spent instead of following a guide like a cuck. I haven't really replayed VV, though I did play both routes in it so maybe that counts as playing it twice.
>>745999905>Dungeon crawlers can only exist in 2dconcession accepted
>>745999410I dunno I think you're putting too much importance on the first person perspective and grid based movement. Like I don't think anyone would ever claim the later Might and Magics aren't blobbers because of the free movement.
>>745998763Yeah but at least Nocturne still had dungeons as opposed to V.
>>745999962That was never said. SMT 1, 2 and SJ are turn based/grid based dungeon crawlers. Nocturne is a JRPG. They are different genres.
>>746000175I asked if you to name a 3d dungeon crawler. You said it's a made up term this implying it has to be 2d to be a dungeon crawler.
>>746000221nta ultima underworld is very famously a 3D dungeon crawler. one of the first even. unless you mean really mean a dungeon crawler with a 3rd person perspective in 3D when you say 3D dungeon crawler, in which case we have the remake of Baroque.
For once, I didn't look up how the alignments worked. I assumed I would just get to choose, like in SMT V, I was very surprised to learn I had chosen to destroy the world (I felt like I wanted to go with Tao, but it's true I mostly agreed with Yoko). SMT at its best is like that, a convoluted and protracted personality quiz. At least it looks like you get hot sweaty unprotected creampie sex on that route.On a related, Atlus must understand SMT playing nerds so well to have created Yoko, she's the best Atlus girl. She kinda feels like she was conceived as a female SMT protag.
>>746000437If Baroque counts nocturne absolutely fucking counts
>>745999851Naamah's Capitulate to Pleasure gets me so horny.
>>746000535yeah I agree. it's basically a blobber with slightly less maze-like dungeons with a third person perspective.
>>746000605I see you missed the chain. The prior guy tried claiming 3 was not a dungeon crawler
>>746000648oh no I know, I'm just putting in my two cents. first time I've ever had someone react negatively to someone else agreeing with them
>>746000696Because I thought you were the other retard anon. If you jump into a string don't be surprised when you get mistaken
>>746000221>>746000648No, you claimed that Nocturne is literally the same as SMT 1 & 2. Not that it has aspects of the same genre or still takes inspiration from it, that there's no meaningful difference between the games.
>>746000857The dungeon designs are extremely similar but in 3d anon. To deny that is asinine at best
I like how the old leg V fags have to stand on is pretending to be obtuse
>>746000576Yeah she's hot and all but I hate her Terminator face, still a cool design and I'm glad the T-800's exposed red eye is a thing video games still reference
III > V > I > IV > III would be higher if it wasn’t so archaic. Love the random drops and story but man, it is archaic. If… is probably below IPersona usually has a better story so I consider them the better games altogether. SMT I and the better ranked ones have good stories but not the rest really, All the Persona games have good stories. Soul Hackers is also good, probably better SMT. DDS, same.
>>746000949Again, I never said anything like that. The dungeon design is also similar in V, they're just worse in V. They're both departures from the roots of the series.
>>745990018What waifu demon did you feed 60 grimoires?For me it was the purple pajeeta oni and on my vengeance playthrough it was doormat
Very fun thank you, this and the Cosmic Egg wee the only dungeons yhou can get lost in IV A
https://youtu.be/OchJTFsVyHQI liked the moonbino form more
>>746001010Giving Naamah a monster face but making sure her lips are kissable is as blatant as making the mermaid's crotch human.
>>746001229Mainly Konohana Sakuya and the Qadištu. I might go back one day and do Godborn.
>>745990018It's really easy to tell the fans that started with V and the ones that didn't.
>>745991262only a turbozoomer would think this is obscure..but to give you some kind of an answer, it is the same phenomenon that happens when certain romsite adds a game, especially translation, or when some rando e-celeb plays "obscure" game and suddenly /v/ has threads about it: this place is full of performative faggots.
>>746001528Let me guessNew game bad
>>746001528It's even easier to tell which ones started with Nocturne and which ones didn't.
>>746001220You said >They did that years ago with Nocturne, man.Replying to >They also shifted the direction of the series from its dungeon crawler roots and turn it towards a open world type game.Which is blatantly false. 3 is still a dungeon crawler as we have clearly established and not a open world game. Unless you consider 1 an open world game since it is actually more a linear than nocturne
please come to our general in /smtg/
>>746001653no.
>>746001653I stopped using smtg when it went full schizo not too long after 4a
>>746001598I like VV but it is no where close to the best megaten game like people are trying to claim.
>>746001724>went full schizo Thats eventually almost every long running general on this fucking site.
>>746001528the worst part are the ones who pretend they've been fans for years and go around pretending V "dungeons" are good compared to the old games because "they aren't fun">>746001634found another V tourist, always mentioning Nocturne because it's the only other game available on all major platforms (and V is just a really shit copy of it)
>>745990018Where's the Switch 2 version?
Death to all anons in this thread.
>>746001810>always mentioning Nocturne because it's the only other game available on all major platformsyep. same goes for smt "haters"
>>746001810I couldn't have hoped for a better example had I samefagged myself.
>>746001640Whatever you say, anon. SMT 1 and 2 are simply not the same as 3 no matter how you slice it. There is a reason why people always make the distinction between the first two games + SJ and the others when discussing the series. If you want to chock that up to a vibes based difference only and call me wrong still, that's fine, but the reality is that the series "downfall" to the state of V started with Nocturne.
>>745992214Something would have to be seriously wrong of it couldn't top IV in terms of gameplay
>>746001785Correct. It took smtg almost a decade but alas... 4a did some serious work and V fucking giga killed it
>>745998523Is Strategise that good? I know people were raving about it when paired with Arahabaki but I could never make much use of it despite trying. I would say that Tiamat and the Samael quest are quite difficult, though nothing is if you know what youre doing
I just started playing SMT V and og P4. Should I focus on one before the other, or continue double dipping? Or should I play P3R first since ppl are recommending it and its chronologically before 4? I've already played 90% of P5R before my PS4 shid the bed and cucked me out of the ending, and from what I've seen P3R looks just like that game with blue paint. It looks nothing like the old P3 from years ago.
>>746000819what the fuck do you think NTA means dipshit? now you're gonna get pissy with me? fucking homo now I agree with the other guy fuck you
>>746002231you don't really have to play them in order too much unless you feel strongly about experiencing the series at it evolves, but in that case you'd still play vanilla P4 before P3R because P3R is the current newest persona title released.
>>746002195Yes, iirc you can use it as a infinite Baton Pass from pokemon to hand buffs over to demons Arahabaki. Its outright broken
>>746002195strategize lets you only eat your press turn when you're doing anything with the spell or items, you can swap all your demons and in the case of arahabaki, you can buff arahabaki with anything and his innate skill will make it that your newly introduced demons to also have the same buff without taking any turns.
Best SMT gameGayest SMT gameSimple as
I'm 35 hours in. I like it, but miss dungeons. The character and story writing are kind of bad, but I wasn't expecting much of a plot anyways so it doesn't matter too much.
>>746002467kill yourself faggot tourist
>>746002231They're remaking P4R you can just probably wait for that atp, id say go for it but if you wanna see more demons in a different playstyle the Raidou 1 remake also exists.
Why do people glaze the story in IV so hard? VV utterly mogs it
>>746002305>Totally missed the ntaKek I consneed I missed it
>>746002537I have played more SMT games than you.
>>746002467another V tourist, post more yaoi like the personafag you are
>>746002580VV has a story?
>>746002641NTA but it's pretty good. It's the themes behind it that make it good.
>>745994073it's persona lite for fags who like highschool dramas in their 30sfatlus have a strict cookbook now where all the protags have to be sissy teen twinks with fuck me eyes and a definitive edition girl who introduces tension to their relationshipsI would murder whoever came up with in the meetings on the spot...just shoot them clean in the head before they could finish that sentence...50 year old gooks writing 13 year old girls for 30 year olds and it's all the same boring shitthe gameplay was alright though and I loved the 3d models but they ruined the scale for some
>>746002585No you haven't.
>>746002641something something cars kill people :(
>>746002687>persona is when highschoolersdon't play SMT1 or If... your head might explode from the mere presence of teenagers
>>746002506VV's dungeons are liquid dog shitlate game you'll be begging for large empty fields again
>>746002693Yes I have.
>>746002763emphasis on the drama in that you disingenuous faggotI haven't played 1 and I won't pretend like I did but I'd bet the characters are presented with more emotional maturity and depth than the shit in VV
>>746002580IV kinda tried to do philosophical things with its story, (which I kinda liked) the whole Kingdom of Mikado and outside forces deciding what to do with the hellscape of Tokyo and such, sadly it still comes down to what color of shit do you want the new world painted in.
>>745994073>Because halfway-through it's like the story just stops. Like I'm not exaggerating, the story it just stops existing.The original SMT V does the exact same thing, the most OBVIOUS thing VV needed to fix and they didn't fix it at all. It's why all the inane character shit they added in VV (that should have been in the original game to begin with) feels hollow. It sucks because the newer elements in VV are potentially really interesting, unlike in base V where NOTHING about it was interesting except maybe Shiva. They should have pulled a Heaven's Feel where they swerve in a completely direction with path of Vengeance instead of badly trying to fix V's story.
>>746002823you clearly have, just like all Vfags say they have...
>>746002678>>746002730It was an ironic post, but VV's story meanders and doesn't really go anywhere. The setup of Lucifer beating and absorbing YHVH is neat I guess, otherwise it was basically just a re-treading of Nocturne with a less interesting ending.
>>746002859you'd be wrong the chaos rep is a huge dick lmao. his entire lust for power comes from guess what? being bullied by other kids his age. careful now your head might explode with such a revelation
>>745994073That already happened with Nocturne, this game is Nocturne 2
>>746002907It was a continuation of Nocturne actchually.
>>746002823if beating your dick to gay fanart counts as playing the games sure.
>>746002926who said I cared? eat my shit you corny faggot
>>746002976get down boys she's aboutta blow!
>>746002580Lol. LMAO even
>>745995278Get SMT V otherwise go for SMT1 PSX (this one is specially easy, the moment you get charm/sleep bullets is the moment you beat the entire game)
>>746002953It follows almost the same story beats, it's irrelevant where it places in the timeline.
>>746002953eh not really? I think it's an entirely different instance of the multiverse, Demi-fiend is kind of just chilling in his own pocket dimension and there was nothing left for god to save after Demi-fiend's conception wiped out tokyo, and then he and Lucifer further blowed it up with the true demon ending, which must be the """""canon""""" ending to justify Demi-fiend's various superboss cameos.
>>746002763SMT1 starts with hero graduating high school so not quite the same
I can't believe this game series got hijacked by Sherlock tier yaoi shippers.
>>746003136erm they're actually le heckin valid and a bigger fan than you. stop gatekeeping!
>>746003136There's been a non-negligible fujo presence in SMT for over 20 years now
>>746002687>but they ruined the scale for some
if atlus were smart they'd do a remake of smt1/2 in v's engine
>>746003136you have persona 5 to thank for that
>>746003174Anon the series started with pretty boys. Read how nakajima is described. The difference is Vfags are aggressively homosexual
>>746003136I do not like fujoshi or their fanworks but even I cannot deny their rabid fandom and consumerism when it comes to properties I enjoy. if bad Beano/Aogami yaoi means a bunch of people keep buying mainline SMT, I can tolerate that.
>>746003195Love Demeter so damn much.
>>746003195>if atlus were smart they'd do a remake of smt1/2 Yes>in v's engineEhhh
>>746003218larping retards genuinely believe bishonen = fag shit
>>746003195I'd rather them keep making new shit. Nobody cares about SMT1&2, and the few that do would just cry and shit that it wasn't remade in the way they personally dreamed of.
>>745990018I do think it’s uncanny how that Qadistu dream does kind of remind me of how spirits can appear in dreams or astral closed-eye visuals, like how they appear as shadowy outline in a weird landscape and that weird trippy shit they do with their hands, the outlines of the four of them flying above you with wings gives me the chills like this isn’t something I would be comfortable seeing with my eyes shut and knowing that was the qadistu communicating with me out of nowhere, but this is a very niche post for those who are into actual occult shit
>>746002403>>746002439It's not infinite if you dont use Arahabaki because the Startegise status doesnt get applied to anything switching in. I guess you could do things like switching in the demons which decreasee enemy stats on switch on but that sounds pretty annoying any probably not worth it over things like critical or impalers glory/charge. If the theory is bring something in and immediately apply buffs, what is the actual use case? Luster candy is already good at applying buffs.
>>746003195sounds good on paper but only like 12 uncs really want this and they'll piss and shit themselves when they butcher it
>>746003261bishonen is what gives the fujoshi ammo man. there's some bara stuff but like I'm pretty sure that stuff is mostly gay dudes in that scene.
>>746003265>and the few that do would just cry and shit that it wasn't remade in the way they personally dreamed of.Honestly true and exactly why I don't want them to bother
>>746003273christ anon if you're gonna schizopost with qadistu then at least post a nice image of them
I'm too retarded for hardcore RPG. Shame because it's really good.
>>746003316watch this shithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJH2PeXU6Kg
>>746003195they're never remaking the old games that didn't get big western releases because then they couldn't keep mining them for ideasthey did an entire survey for games to remake and it was all shit that already had an english translationlook at this shit. p1-4, raidou and soul hackers (but NOT devil summoner, fuck you), IV and IVF (but NOT 1, 2, or if..., fuck you!), avatar tuner and etrian odyssey
>>746003195I dont really care atp, there's not much they can do to remake those games considering like 90% of them is maze simulators, maybe a reimagining but man, now one's gonna be happy about it then. I'd like maybe like a fan remake but I doubt theres interest in those dusty games.
>>746003385it's really not that hard. as long as you know how to buff/debuff you'll be fine.
>>746003258smtv's artstyle is generally pretty uninspired but I feel like most of the demons have never looked better>>746003324>when they butcher itharder to butcher than an entirely new game. really I just want a non-jank way to play them
>>746003385SMT games have had difficulty settings for a long time. Easy is barely any harder than older pokemon games, you should give them a try.
>>746002881>a third story route gets added as dlc
>>746003478I don't want /v/ to laugh at me...
>>745990018Definitely improved on every aspect of SMT V vanilla from gameplay to narrative. Unfortunately, it's still missing a little something to really give it that OOMPH
>>746003401Who are these people asking for Persona 1? Is it super popular in Japan?
>>746003401>>746003415the point would be to do more of a resident evil type of remake, basically reimagining the older entries in the newer format.
>>746003401>EOHoly fucking shit whoever started this whole focus group shit needs fucking shit to death
>>746003463Wait for a new EO game then remake it in that engine
>>746003559EO is atlus best series. The bigger problem is 1 already has a fucking remake
>>746003516>>746003516Well, the mitama dlc exists for that reason (grindable demons that drop rare candies like items and monies even on the hardest difficulties)
Which Qadistu would give the best head?
>>746003136Could you point to where this obnoxious fanbase is exactly? Multiple smt games have gay shit in them, V is just the gayest. It's a statement. You sound mentally ill.
>>746003542>fatlus getting their shit together like capcoma man can dream but knowing them you're more likely to get another gacha than a competent product that doesn't need a coombait rerelease
>>746003608Female detected
>>746003640>Capcum>Get there shit togetherThey are worse than they have ever been. They are just the resident evil factory now shitting out incredibly uninspired resident evil games
>>746003724>Females>Liking EOCan you point me to them? No female (male) doesn't count fag
>>746003616Naamah would try her best but her face is half Metal and it would be awkwardEisheth would bite it off before she licks itAgrat would be completely uninterested, and even if you manage to convince her, she's got a doll body, so no warmth or fluidLilith wins by default.
>>746003608dont worry, theyll butcher EO so their modern fans can play the game without complaining on plebbit 24/7
>>746003616Eisheth. Lilith and Agrat don't seem like they'd put the effort in and Naamah's just going to accidentally cut it off.
>>746003740like it or not that IS them getting their shit togetherthey sell well and they have a consistent schedule which is more than you'll ever get with fatlus
>>746003542>basically reimagining the older entries in the newer formatOP here to that 2nd post you replied to but yeah that'd probably be the best way to reimagine them there'd probably be a lot of work and redoing trying to hook that persona crowd in as well as a sort of "Look! its the origin story of the series after the NES games and the books!" but at that point a Persona 1/2 remake would be better
>>746003392You can use it to give a demon a lot of buffs in few actions, but this necessitates using a restrictive set of demons and probably wont be all that useful until the very end of the game where other options are available. I remember completely shifting on Shiva with Siegfried, Odin and some other figment slasher using the skill charge then the charge omagatoki.
>>746003740wrong or very young, crapcom during the 7th gen was basically salvaged entirely by their MH output and MvC3. This was the era of on disc DLC, and handing over all sorts of shit to the west to make GARBAGE.
>>746003830I would rather fatlus schizo schedule where we get one decent game every 5 years thank you
Are demons fuckable?And yes, this is serious lore question.
>>746003836>MM 9+10>RE 5 mogs every single modern REI stand by what I said
>>746003835oh for sure stronger demons exist to be used to quick kill shiva as well, but the transference of stats for constant swapping to proc passive effects is clearly very, VERY good if a level 40 jack frost can boom Shiva like that. being able to do all that buffing for no cost to either MP or turn economy is simply amazing, there is no arguing against it really. just gotta fuse the right demons to set up the right passives
>>746003358You have to understand what it feels like to be messing with shit/specific spirits that you should’ve known that it isn’t a good idea to be messing around with, have a completely demonic terrifying dream that leaves you waking with a feeling that you’ve KNOWN you fucked up, and then have some terrible shit go down irl to teach you a lesson Pic-related is what I am talking about though
>>746003860Why wouldn't they be? They can physically touch you, and there's several different succubus/incubus demons from different cultures.
>>746003836>and handing over all sorts of shit to the west to make GARBAGE.What you didn't like DMC? Look Dante is an edgllord now! this is gonna make millions! Forget yahoo pizza man.
>>746003913RE5 is saved entirely by being co-op and wesker being a dumb matrix goo-man. otherwise it's the bottom of barrel brown and bloom dogshit that turns into the worst cover shooter I've ever played in the chapters where enemies get guns. haven't played the megamans so I have no opinion on them, but the only good stuff coming out of capcom then was Dead Rising 1 and 2, the MHs and UMvC3.
>>746004020I liked it more than DMC2 and the plot was so bad it made me laugh multiple times.
>>745994848>Putting this much effort into itBro just fuse at random and fuse for the highest base level available to you and you'll be set for life. You don't even need to do that for like 99% of the superbosses even on hard. You only go full autism on the breeding simulator if you wanna make youtube vids of cheese strats.
>>746003860all demons are canonically breedable
>>746003860doesn't SJ have at least one quest line where a human wants to date a demon?
>>746004031I haven't enjoyed a new Capcom game since megaman 11 which was 8 fucking years ago. They have just cranked up their output to 11 for endless amounts of mediocre garbage
>>745990018I'm still playing, gameplay is the best iteration of the press turn system but the story is really dumb. Why did I lose to the Qadistu in a cutscene after beating their ass? Why is Dazai suddenly evil?
>>746004115Yes. Our nigga Anthony is the best
>>746003860Depends on the demon.
>>746004112The fuck i suddenly feel like playing this
>>746004115
>>746004178
>>746004178>implying you don't have an anus
>>746004159Dazai flipping is shown in the other route, he goes all in on law because he figured he found meaning by being a servant of god basically. CoV can be awkward because it operates like the CoC is going alongside this slightly altered route, so events that occur in CoC can and will happen off screen. Though Dazai flipping basically happens on a dime in the CoC too, the alignment reps in general are pretty underbaked.
>>746004209I dislike this bird demon charlie, her smug aura mocks me.
>>746004159>Why did I lose to the Qadistu in a cutscene after beating their ass?JRPG trope. Yes it's shit.>Why is Dazai suddenly evil?Basically he was always a shit, but now he doesn't have a reason to hide it. He no longer lives in a society.
>>746003860Yes, and you have human characters that that are their children.
>>746004115>>746004209
>>746004209>>746004267Why does she put herself down? That implies that demons are of lower status than human women.
>>746004159>Why is Dazai suddenly evil?Vanilla V story he becomes "evil" in the most roundabout way, this just expedites the process because they realized it was a hamfisted dumb waste of time.
>>746004159>Why is Dazai suddenly evil?Who can say?
>>746004250I don't think they're underbaked at all between both routes, I'd argue they're some of the more developed allignment reps in the series.
>>746004357compared to nocturne yeah, but SMT1 and 2 clear easily.
>>746004352I really hope they don't overuse this nigga in the next gamehe was perfect in SJ and it's obvious they're trying to recapture some of the magic but it doesn't work when everything else is shit
>>746004330https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of_WCSf-cM0
>>746004352Why is Mastema evil?
>>746004467Wasn't he dispensing and feeding people literal Red Pills in IV? Its such a bizarre demotion but I guess they wanted the connection to be there.
>>746004516He is the angel that represents evil.
>>746004536No he was helping the Ashura-Kai feed the reds to demons.However he did help lobotomize people to help make the reds
>>746004395>compared to nocturneSMT V made me appreciate how well integrated to the story Chiaki and Isamu are. They rarely appear, but when they do it makes sense why they act the way they do and every time they appear they CHANGE. While I can see people finding them boring, they are written well. The cast in V by comparison are infuriatingly sloppy, and I'd say waste of designs, but their designs are shit, besides maybe Yoko.
>>746004516According to scriptures, he was the "evil angel" of god, essentially the guy he got to do all his dirty work.>>746004592Ah that explains it thent.Only played the Law alignment That ends in a retarded black hole
>>746004467I think due to his popularity and with Lucifer stepping down, Mastema is being set up to be the main devil figure. A glowy is a more fitting adversary for this generation than a revolutionary David Bowie.
>>746004516His job is basically to test humanity by doing harm to them and causing disasters, hence him turning into Satan in VV and both of them being avatars of the Great Will instead of YHVH.
>>746004115even TMS has it, it's a staple sometimes
>>746004467didtcha know the first mastema appearance in SMT is inronde
>>746004250Dazai didn't flip on a dime if you read all his dialog. He gets more and more unhinged. His roommate even comments on it if you find him.
>>746004643you're not wrong but fucking hairline and worthless-sensei are pretty badly done IMO. I do think putting the girls in your party so they can chime in and debate stuff was a step in the right direction for VV, having the reps in your party to give you an idea of how they would react to any given happening in the plot is a good and easy way to show you the ideologies. Reasons are a cool idea on paper, but execution wise really fumble the ball because you aren't exposed enough to that ideology and the formation/actualization of it.
I wish the friend group had more moments like this
>>746004972we get it, you're gay and that's your whole personality.
>>746004928This, he's off in the background becoming evil a thousand things could happen to change his mind and make him worse or better and you're none the wiser and theyre fed in bits in pieces, by the time he's gone full madman you're sitting there wondering why the goofy ass kid became some anime villain. At least Vengance let you interact with your female reps to see their thoughts on the matters happening before choosing to side with them.
>>745994848I learned that i only cared about demons evolving like in a Digimon game, which is why i liked Nocturne so much. Now that they won't repeat this i feel myself bored playing SMT games.
>>746003535it was the best selling persona game until persona 5
>>746005163SMT4 has demon evolution. In IVA the angel has like 10 evolutions
>>746004972Is there a mod for actual school girl Beano that doesn't have giant thighs yet? I need the long hair from his Nahobino form on a school uniform + body like Sahori.
>>746004928i thought the backseating on sidequests was clunky and nonsensical desu>fight and defeat a giant penis that aggros you on the world map>yoko: ACTUALLY is there anything with giving in to your desire??? hmm??? think about it>tao: i cant argue with that...instead of actually doing things that fit with their beliefs they just go "well that's not how i woulda done it!".
Sex with Tao and Sahori while Yoko is sitting and watching in the cuck chair
>>746000506Yoko is probably the most retard character Atlus has ever written.
>>746005669Chaosfags are retarded by nature. Her and Walter would get along very well
>>746005574it's lazy as fuck dog shit but you're not really meant to engage with them philosophically, that's just the pretense coomers are supposed to use to jerk off to Yoko, Tao and the Qadistu while convincing themselves that this is a real game
why can't pokefags into megaten games? demon catching, fusing, battling, type matchups area all done on a more competent and interesting level. is it literally just children preferring the more child-oriented game?
>>746005574>yoko: ACTUALLY is there anything with giving in to your desire??? hmm??? think about it>tao: i cant argue with that...This is based thoughOnly problem is that VV doesn't have a harem ending.
>>746005218Thank you, will play them.
>>746005790pokefags are used to just mashing A through battles and in the newer games your pokemon can't even faint in a battle if your friendship level is high enough
>>746005861There's really not that many actually. Not sure how much you'll get out of it if you only like evolutions
Satan was artificial difficulty
>>745991262You're the only real person and everybody else exists only in your mind.
Lads, is base Nuwa goof or should I upgrade her to snake form?
>>746005892Doesn't the Digimon games have like a clusterfuck of evolution charts? he'd probably fre better in those. I doubt theyd be enjoyable without watching at least one of the first seasons of the anime first though.
>>746005910True. I don't even want to think what the intended strat was for Godborn Satan.
>>746005669And yet you can't refute a single one of her arguments.
>>745998435>5 ran like shit on the switch, so I'm glad it got a pc port.I would agree, if it didn't mean having pay for it twice.>inb4 piracyIt unironically deserved it and I'm a retard for buying it.
>>746006012All demons are easily workable, if you like her normal form then stick with it.
>>746006012use both
Yeah, i'm running a quadistu team and yeah the superbosses are gonna kick my ass
>>746006012Snake Nuwa is top tier as a caster iirc. 2 elemental innate nulls and 1 repel is actually good for a demon.
>>746005910Most SMT superbosses are. You need to look up the strat online or suffer repeated losses where you do little other than write down move patterns and hope there isn't something bullshit that happens at the 50% mark (there always is)
>>746005910True Masakados and Demifiend are artificial difficulty. Satan is the ultimate expression of the game's mechanics, he is in fact the best designed boss in the game and naturally difficult.
>>746005824Fucking Tao and Yoko wasn't even a possibility let alone the point at all. Most of the game is about the MC's relationship with Aogami, from the themes to everything else. It's even said in game that Tao most relates to Aogami while Yoko most relates to the MC even saying they think alike regardless of alignment.
>>746005790To attract the pokefags you'd have to add things like IVs and shinies to the game. Even though it's a 'kids game' the main hooks are actually gambling.
>>746006261Satan is artificial difficulty. True Masakados and Demifiend are the ultimate expression of the game's mechanics, they are in fact the best designed bosses in the game and naturally difficult.
>>746006330>is it literally just children preferring the more child-oriented game?haha about that.
>>746006316In Yoko's ending the two of you literally become the new Adam and Eve.
>>746006316MC had sex with Yoko on my machine.
>>746006153I used Agrat a lot for shiva and lucifer
>>746006441Shiva and Lucifer aren't really superbosses
What would IVF be like if Yoko was Dagda's godslayer instead of Nanashi
>>746006153Lilith is a great support demon in general. I did have her on the front lines with me on Satan.
>>746006506Yoko and Isabeau would be scissoring a lot.
>>746006493They are optional bosses that are harder than the mandatory final boss they are the definition of superbosses
>>746006153Argat is a top tier caster she'll be MVP, Lilith is alright for her Dekaja/phys repel and innate stuff, the other two are kinda meh. All four are viable with the tools the game has though, its not like old SMTs where the demons that suck, suck forever.
Anyone got the alice mod? that one
>>746006423This
>>746006604Lucifer is the mandatory final boss of the true ending and I wouldn't say Shiva is really any harder than Lucifer, though it depends on your party setupThere's an extraordinarily huge power gap between those two and the real superbosses.
>>746006739You only have to fight normal Lucifer the true one is completely optional and it doesn't matter if the other 3 are stronger unless you want to call them fucking super duper bosses
>>746005790it's a bit of a pain to carry a demon from the start to endgame in many games, it's very much more about fusing up to different demons instead of catching and fostering the growth of one specific demon. pokemon is about getting attached to your critters, SMT is about using and abusing them until they are no longer useful, then fusing them up.
>>745990018Fantastic game. 2nd best SMT behind 4. Better gameplay than Persona, arguably better music, story is considerably worse.
>>746006739>Beat Lou and Shiva >"Eh that wasn't too bad">Get to d-fiend as the next>He has the ability to just outright nuke 1 demon with his freigukel and all of them gaea rage>My current demons barely put a dent in his damage wise>Satan is even worseKinda insane how hard the power creep is when you get past shiva.
>>746006684Tao is nice and all but how the fuck did Atlus think she could ever compete with Yoko? Tao's route really doesn't have even a hint of romance, while Yoko flirts with you repeatedly and in her ending you're the last two left in the universe.>>746006673https://litter.catbox.moe/9d20v1w55pq10vhr.7z
>>746006409You're misinterpreting that ending completely. There is even two instances in the game where the MC being in love with Aogami is brought up in CoV. Aogami also isn't gone and that tree is the spirit tree inside the Nahobino. It''s not only metaphorical it likely has to due with the fact you "ate" Yoko when you approached the throne.
>SMT Nine>still no translationEOPbros...
>>746006953they thought she could compete because yokos a bit of a retard
>>746006848>You only have to fight normal LuciferYou don't have to fight any boss if you turn the game off.True Lucifer is a story boss, and is required to experience the true ending of the game's story.
>>746006979there are screenshots and videos of people injecting english text into nine on twitter so it might be sooner than you think
>>746006992Tao is also a retard, so it's a fair fight.
>>746006959Utilizing the skip feature in Aogami's scenes is canon.
>>746006953I don't care about Yoko
>>746006992Name one girl in the franchise that isn't a bit of a retard
>>746006992>because yokos a bit of a retard
>>746006992She's a bit angsty, as many teenage girls are, but she's not retarded. Just like how Tao is ridiculously naive.>>746007120Good, more Yoko for me.
What QoL things does VV have over the updated versions of IV and III? This is my first SMT and I would like to check the previous games too, but I'm always concerned about going back to previous installments due to QoL and mechanics regression.
both girls are sex especially in their panagia forms
>Like chaos more >Somehow end up in law>No way to get chaos points Damn, I guess i'll do chaos ending later, atleast having Blue Beano again is nice
>>746007176You can fuck the female Mimans in Vengeance for one
>>746006953>deliveredthanks chad
>>745999949I find it wild that you put 1 first like I would, but then put 4 so low. I feel like a large reason why I liked 1 was so much was the vibes and lore, and I feel 4 was the closest match to that.
>>746007176in terms of QoL IV is the best one purely that you can save and fuse your demons literally everywhere (it's the same with SJR), in 3 you can only save in the terminal and fuse in the church while VV can let you save anywhere but the fusion is limited in the leyline fount (I think original V can only let you save in the leyline but i never played that version)
>>745990018Continues the trend of SMT refusing to release a good game as has been the case since 4.
Tao is overhated
Tao is underloved
>>746007176III on PS2 had no chosen inheritable moves it was all random, all demons had level based stat caps as well iirc, you could keep leveling but itd slow to a crawl and the stat gains would be minimal. The worst thing IV has is probably the inability to teleport to a safe spot, and traveling through the entire map on both of those is done on set warp points for each zone (they're all interconnected though), The compendium features for IV and IV A are sick and were actually better than V in some ways, you could search for demons by alot of parameters.
dating sim smt vv would go platinum
>>746007379>>746007413It's hard to hate Tao, it's just that she doesn't have much going for her.
>>746007379She's only really hated as a response to people overhating Yoko or exaggerating the Chaos side of beliefs in VV when they're no less crazy than Tao's own. In reality I think everybody just wants a threesome and marriage with them both.
Just post Idun's feet
>>746007330I don't mind 4's writing/setting, but boy do I hate the mechanics. no VIT or END, smirk is insane and needing to swing at symbol encounters even with estoma or you're eating an ambush feels really bad when every fight is a snowballing contest. Phys skills cost MP so phys demons can't use their shit too much, but magic demons have low HP so they die easy in ambushes. I also dislike the inconsistent artstyle and the sidequest requirement to get the neutral ending. I wanted to like the game but basically everything rubbed me the wrong way.
>>746007471real
>>746007595She paid you for sex btw
>>746007659How do I get paid for sex.
>>746007659Jokes on her I'd fuck her for free
>>746007539I wish IV got a remake wince that is the only game that I can think of that could really benefit it, but they will remake p5 twice befire they'll ever do that.
>>746007701Just enjoy her and money>>746007695Just be a chad like Nahobino
>>746007539You know, I totally get that and agree with everything, I just found it wasn't enough to overwhelm the good in it, even with the other things I found wrong with it. Like the entire fucking brain aneurysm they had for you dying and getting sent to a 10 minute long cutscene where Charon gives you a chance to bribe him with the down payment to a house loan or fucking PLAYCOINS. Which would have made sense, except they let us save anywhere, so WHY THE FUCK WOULD I TAKE YOU UP ON THAT DEAL I LITERALLY SAVED 20 SECONDS AGO IT'S FASTER FOR ME TO POWER OFF THE 3DS AND POWER IT BACK ON THAN IT IS TO JUST FUCKING DIE HOLY FUCKING SHIT.But even then, I thought the story and the plot twists involved were way too good to ignore, and it's not like the other SMTs are any paradigm of good RPG combat.
>>746007539I feel a similar way. IV and IVA are the only Megaten games where I didn't want to keep playing after I beat the game, although I did still enjoy it up to that point for what it's worth.
i think the combat system needs to evolve beyond spam weaknesses and if the enemy is actually strong then spam weakness while having resistances against their attacks and then you basically automatically win against every fight in the game except a couple of superbosses. you almost never have to actually think during combat
>>746006953>Yoko flirts with you repeatedlyShe grabs Tao like twice.>you're the last two left in the universe.And that didn't happen. Universe doesn't even end yet in that scene.
I wish Nahobino was more masculine like thay represented him on the cover of SMT V.
>>746007881Literally the Smirk mechanic in IV and A was an attempt to evolve that, and they ditched it due to how one sided things went if Smirk procced at the wrong or right time.
>>746007908>She grabs Tao like twice.She doesn't wink at Tao and compliment her at any chance she gets.>And that didn't happenwrong
Wait, can't you really reject both Tao and Yoko or have them both neither?
>>746007987nope, you have to choose either in CoV
>>745990018>playing on hard because I'm a true gamer>get to Lahmu round 2>he kicks my ass once>try again>plan doesn't go smoothly but manage to beat him>cutscene time>there's a second fucking phase>somehow beat phase 2 first tryHoly fuck that was close. Had 5 demons die and another 5 run out of mp while my nahobino finished with 20 hp and mp.
>>746007881It did though, that's why there's so many fun builds in VV. They just need to make skills a bit more varied for the demons, lean more into gimmick bosses and allow for a proper hard mode from the start.
>>746008007It's kinda underwhelming
>>746008013I think at the very least they need to adjust AI so they don't use hit-all attacks when they already know one of your demons has null/repel/absorb that element and it ends their turn early
>>746006543>>746006650I think Naamah and Eisheth could work with a buffer Samael
>>746007950I think the real problem with the smirk system was it was just too inherently one-sided in it's advantages.>If YOU hit the enemy with a weakness and got smirk...>It maybe added a little extra damage>It was better used defensively>...but it got canceled out by status effects which somehow your party was always strangely weak to.>Barely made any dent in anyone's HP>You got it maybe 1 out of every 20 attacks.>When THEY get smirk>It upped their damage high enough to just immediately end your run, especially if they went for AOE>You just die>If they got it defensively, the rest of your entire turn was over unless you started to fish for status effects and had to pray it didn't block them.>They seem to get it 1 out of every 4 rounds if you're lucky. More if you're unlucky.If they ever got smirk, your run was just over. If YOU got smirk, basically nothing happens.
>>746007847>10 minute long cutscene where Charon gives you a chance to bribe him with the down payment to a house loan or fucking PLAYCOINS.Anon-kun....You only need to sit throigh that cutscene once.If you take his offer once every subsequent time you meet charon is as long as anyother gameover in the series.
>>746008285Yeah, I had to fucking do that like 25% of the way in, and even then, it STILL felt way faster sometimes to just shut off the fucking console. What the fuck were they THINKING.
>>746008174>get spooked by the encounter>they strike first>immediately hit weakness (meaning 1 more turn) and smirk>suddenly you get blitzed before you have your turnsuch a fun game
>>746003616Naamah > Lilith >>>>>>>> Agrat Eishet is tecnically a handjob so it doesn't count
>>746008385>such a fun gameI think you mean "fun mechanic" with Press Turn. Getting blitzed by a surprise attack happens in all SMT games since Nocturne hit.
>>745990018I still need to get around to VV, but I found IVA's bosses more memorable than V's, but V's plot and characters were at least mildly less insufferable. Music's still pretty solid when it's not some atmospheric bullshit.
>>746007976>wrongYoko literally says in the narration that the world hasn't ended yet. Also Aogami is right there.
>>746008475i can guarantee getting spooked and blitzed by IV's sudden encounter creeping behind you is more common than III's random encounter. thank god in IV you can save anywhere imagine if you don't
>>746008536You're functionally cut off from the rest of existenceAogami can watch Yoko get pregnant
>>746008142I think it could also be cool if the weakness system worked like The Answer did where they were still weak to things, but had a higher chance of dodging those types of attacks. Along with giving both sides more ways to stack buffs/debuffs and allow higher stacks of them, while deleting party wide things like Marakunda and War Cry. Also NEVER allow anything remotely as good as Konohana Sakuya to exist EVER again, but keep her design around.That would hopefully make the Accuracy/Evasion buffs and attack choices a lot more meaningful, while also making the overall combat more focused on managing what's happening on the field instead of just being a Charge > Biggest Spell > Repeat sort of loop for basic content. Sort of like a buff or unique skill arm's race, as opposed to the lame game we have now of just never fully raising or lowering a stat to avoid Dekunda.
>>745991695I think he meant Whispers lol
Fuck it, I'm going to say it.Da'at theme was MUCH better in the base V.
>>746008773The normal battle theme you mean? Yeah its like 10x better.
>>746008582Yoko even says that the MC is the only doing all the creating and not her in the fucking game. His knowledge has the power to do it all. Yoko doesn't do shit. What do you think the plan was before the Nahobino arrived and killed Tiamat? Tiamat was the only going to birth the new world. She's a water goddess. The Nahobino is a water god.
>>745990018First post best post >>745990080
>>746008773>>746008932Reclamation for vengeance mogs.ReminderMoon skills> susan skillsReclamation for vengeance> battle daat/battle daat vengeanceMoon minister > mecha susanMoonbeano>susabino
>>746008990Sorry anon, it's fine if in your headcanon you got your asshole split open by your tall boyfriend, but in mine Yoko and Nahobino fuck like rabbits when they finally get some time alone.
>>746008595What did Yukiko do that makes her a mistake?
>My headcanon is better than yours!
>>746007469>The compendium features for IV and IV A are sick and were actually better than V in some ways, you could search for demons by alot of parameters.You were actually forced to use filters because the limited RAM of the DS meant that the games couldn't show you every single fusion you could do if they were too many of them.I don't know if this issue is still present on emulator.
>>746009116I hope yours doesn't extend to real life, or you'll be shitting in a bag before you're even 40.
>>746009106He means konohana sakuya the demon not yukiko's persona
>>746009149The question still remains
>>745996519It was their "FF7" and thus its "perfect to them.
>>746008595>NEVER allow anything remotely as good as Konohana Sakuya to exist EVER againHer press turn economy was fucking insane, and to lock that behind DLC too
>>746009138>You were actually forced to use filters because the limited RAM of the DS meant that the games couldn't show you every single fusion you could do if they were too many of them.Oh wow I didn't even think about the 3DS's RAM and the gigantic demon roster IVA had. Yeah I do remember there being some lag on some pages once you had amassed a large compendium.>I don't know if this issue is still present on emulator.It probably is, considering emulation is just a PC copying what a console does page by page.
>>746009172Has a skill that is basically idunn's golden apple skill, but betterParty wide heatriser that heals, but also heals mp on top of that.Also has a magatsuhi skill that does the same, but fully heals hp and mp.
>>745990018I'm just here to say that I love Mermaid.
>>746009261The sounds completely overpowered.
>>745990018Only played vanilla on the Switch when it came outDecent combat, but compared to other SMT, I wouldn't say its THAT much betterBland music besides the Shiva theme and maybe the last zoneOpen World is annoyingTranny ass main character. Probably the worst design Ive ever seen ever. Really boring story and forgettable characters. Doesn't even have soul like Nocturne or the edginess of SMT4.Overall a big downgrade from SMT4 and Nocturne. I doubt Vengeance fixed these problems and I'm too lazy to start a new file
>>746009305I like they made her very skinny so her ribs look like gills
>>746009315She's the best healer of the game, the MP heal is not much but does make a difference in long fights.>>746009261They actually even nerfed Idun's heal in an atttempt to sell you KS's DLC.
>>746009396I think they nerfed Idun's heal because it was OP. She was V's Daisojou, she still kind of is.
>>746009340>Probably the worst design Ive ever seen ever.Bino's 3D model is genuinely horrible. The box art for the original game is a sack of shit because it makes you think some demons are actually important, but it also makes you think Bino might actually look cool.
>>746009045Terrible taste, but I respect it.>>746009106Sexy Yukiko>Highest Magic stat>Mind Charge>Fire Amp>Fire Break>Severe Fire Attack to All Foes>AND she gets a 100% heal + Cure all ailments in one party wide skillYukiko is a war criminal.Cute Demon Yukiko>HP + MP restore x2 to recovery skills when all -kaja effects are at x1+>Next Recovery spell x2, 125% max HP restore possible for non-overheal skills>50 pwr, base + 10% max HP restore, 10 pwr base + 2% max MP restore, Luster Candy for whole partyYour whole team will always be at max buffs and overhealed through the use of a single demon, leaving the rest to just vomit damage.
>>746009494Don't forgst unlike most other support slut demons she doesn't triggers beelzebub's anti-foid protocol when using his innate
>>746009582>beelzebub's anti-foid protocol when using his innateIt's the opposite, having an actual female character allow the enemy to call Beel out on his troonery.The name of his innate is a huge giveaway.
>>746009467What the fuck, the demons on the cover are the Nahobino demons (with the dog figuratively representing Tsukuyomi since he's a spoiler). It's much more relevant than say the fucking cover of IV which really are a bunch of random demons with no plot relevance and DLC only angels.
It's an amazing game; too bad it's hidden under a layer of Ubisoft-style busywork.But at least - unlike in Ubisoft's own games - the busywork is quite rewarding, with interesting rewards and/or interractions.
>>746009924What do you mean? you don't like touching the 5th miman out of 400 for 5 Glory and nothing else? What are you stupid?
>>746009090>headcanonWas Yoko going to fuck Tiamat? Are you retarded?
>>746009924It's a pretty fucking thin layer. IIRC the Miman rewards stop mattering around the halfway mark, so it's not like you have to collect all of them. The closest thing to ubisoft towers are abscesses, which are just a single encounter if you weave through the summons. Side quests are also very optional.
>>746010138NTA but all I'll add is that Tiamat is very Giger if it was drawn by Doi.
>>746010139>Miman rewards stop mattering around the halfway mark, so it's not like you have to collect all of them.>Side quests are also very optional.So: exactly like Ubisoft games?
>>745991262Your brain filters things that aren't relevant for you. Since you haven't played the game before, you didn't notice any threads. Now that you've finished it, it's relevant to your interest, thus you immediately notice threads about it.That being said it was on sale for like $10 two months ago so it's not surprising that there has been an uptick in threads recently.
>>746010430What exactly is the argument you're trying to make? It's not really 'busywork' because you can easily find half of them by just playing the game along the critical path. Sounds like you're a woman brained retard looking to complain about nothing.
>>746010530Stop acting like a child.
>>746010674Provide a real argument next time.
>>746010712I'm not arguing anything; you're misconstruing what I said, which caused you to overreact.
>>745990018It's pretty good but I think the tutorials are kind of annoying other than that I had fun playing it on hard mode.
The Tsukuyomi form is just so much better-looking than that Aogami form.
>>746010805Nah, you made a poor assessment with no further explanation, and when pushed, you still couldn't back it up.
>>746010954 Have to reabsorb Aogami at the end of Vengance due to shenanigans Man at least give us a costume toggle. Well its at the very tail end of the game I guess at least.
>>746010352Her design is cool as fuck, I just wish this retarded anon could fucking read.Also despite that I still think Kaneko's Tiamat is better. I think Doi's Tiamat is situational while Kaneko's is good for any game.
>>746011329This idea is so silly and dumb and just wholly naive. The reason things have reached this point is wholly due to humanity. You can't just go "let's start everything over, but also keep humans around", because humans will just keep making the same mistakes. Countless different cultures, different ideologies, different forms of government, but humans still keep fucking everything up. Chaos is inherently a worthless ideology because from that chaos, humanity will always, ALWAYS pursue personal comfort over all else, and screw over others in order to get it.
>>746011329>Kaneko's Tiamat is betterWhich one?The grey hag one or the blue one?
>>746011678That’s kind of the point anon the canon endings are always neutralI prefer Law myself
>>746011786Law is fundamentally worthless because if the only way you can achieve utopia is by forcing humanity into a cage and forcing them to get in line, then the species as a whole may as well just have no worth to begin with. The ultimate answer to both Law and Chaos isn't that you need to start over from scratch, nor is it that you should force humanity in line. It's that you should just kill the entire species off and allow a new dominant species to take over.
>>746011730The soul hackers one.
>>746011678You're missing the entire point. If the new world is a blank canvas, then the old one was a canvas with the outline of the image already drawn from the start so that all you could do was choose the colours. Yoko's route is not a "start from a blank canvas" route, it's about changing the canvas itself. It might fuck up and it might not, but the point is to create the possibility of change where there currently exists none because of factors entirely outside of humanity's control. It's the ultimate form of freedom, destroying the concept of a hierarchy entirely.>Chaos is inherently a worthless ideologyYes, and so are Law and Neutral. It's almost like these games show the extremes of Freedom, Order and Neutrality to highlight that extremism is retarded.
Soul Hackers 2 had a cute heroine, but everything else was kinda dumb. Like the story was honestly straight up whatever and got pretty dumb near the end. The main cast were basically just a bunch of kids even dumber than the Phantom Thieves.
>>746012154>factors entirely outside of humanity's controlThis in itself is naive. Like I said, regardless of the culture, ideology or form of government, corruption still runs rampant and people are still stepping over each other to get ahead. The problems are always the same. The reason the world of man is shit is because of man, not because of gods.
>>746012169I think I saw how Persona it tried to implement its demons (where you summon one as a guardian companion and cast a spell) and I was like "yup nope, not this one".
>>746012332In terms of the fundamental combat mechanics, it feels very close to how you'd do a modern P1/P2-style Persona game where everyone can use different Personas. Honestly, I don't have any real issues with the combat system itself, it's just kind of lame that the visuals so heavily de-emphasize demons.But it's everything else that kinda sucks.
>>746012332SH2 is unironically oldsona if it had a remake
>>746011678Yoko's implication is that the world went wrong when the throne popped up. If you read Tiamat's compendium, it explains how in her mythology the world didn't begin until Marduk torn her body apart. If you want to add that into the world lore of V, Marduk fashioned a throne out of her corpse. However you want to see it is irrelevant but it is relevant to where the trouble with the world started with the throne and the curse on it. Yoko thinks that the influence of ever previous shitty god has piled on and on to the point where it can't be fixed. A clean slate should wipe all that influence away. The problem is that the world is now shit. Likewise in Tiamat's lore, the reason Marduk killed his mother to begin with is because humans were suffering in her water world filled with demons and shit. He killed her in order to liberate them and separated the land from the sky. In this case you have to hope that the Nahobino will do a better job and his spawn so to speak won't want to kill him, let alone any humans or demons. But if they do, the Nahobino probably won't lose either.
>>745991262The explanation is that the game was on a good sale about 1 playthrough ago. I got to the final boss last night so will probably finish today
>>746012169I liked it. My only gripe is it’s nothing like 1, which was a hardcore dungeon-crawler
>>746012462I don't think any of that is relevant to the psychology of man. Humans are just petty, insecure, greedy, ravenous little beasts and it's not Marduk's fault. It's not as if the nature of man drastically changes regardless of who's sitting on the throne, or whether there's a throne at all. Humans stay constant. We advance, we consume, we trample over others. This is true regardless of the era, regardless of the culture.If you truly, genuinely hate the state of the world, then you shouldn't bother with gods and demons. You should just wipe out all of man and make certain we can't come back.
>>746012220You're talking in a meta sense, anon. The game explains that the hierarchy the Throne enforces is not a philosophical kind, but a literal law of reality. It's a fundamental truth in SMTV that in both the current world and in Tao's desired world from her route there is ALWAYS a god who steers humanity, with no exceptions.You can think of Yoko as being the closest Chaos rep to the poster boy, Lucifer. What she wants isn't a specific outcome or ideology, but to give humanity the ability to truly make choices of their own free will and for people to suffer or thrive from them. Tao's is basically the opposite extreme of this, what she wants is to make an objective truth for the world that follows a single unerring path in the hopes that she can protect humanity from these troubles directly. They're both naive and hopeful wishes from two goddesses that love humanity.It's also important to remember that both endings require the old world to be destroyed, before you try to pull the status quo arguments out.
>>746012605>It's not as if the nature of man drastically changes regardless of who's sitting on the throneThe point is that Yoko firmly believes it is. Whoever's ass is on the throne or has been on the throne influences humans and their behavior on a spiritual and psychological level whether they know it or not.
>>746012730Please don't mention Yoko and ass in the same post, I am already dehydrated.
>>745990018I've only played 4 before and currently playing through 5.My biggest dislike with 5 so far is that I can see and feel the unreal engine, and that makes it overall feel cheap.
Yoko's fat chaotic ass.
>>746012654Eh. I mean unless destroying the throne also creates a world with limitless resources and also brainwashes humans into being good little boys and girls forever, I don't really think our lot in life would improve much.Like I do think it's kinda funny how SMT exists alongside Persona, but SMT seems to wholly believe that everything wrong and bad in the world is God's fault, while Persona is always criticizing humanity itself. Nyarlathotep, Erebus and the Demiurge are all just the result of humanity's dumbassery.
>>746012809I'm pretty sure it was their first time using UE, and it looks cheap because it was made for the Switch.
>>746012809Fun Fact: (aside from COVID 2020) the Game's development issues was partially compounded by the Engine's Development Documents being only in English, thanks Timmy.
>>746012654>You can think of Yoko as being the closest Chaos rep to the poster boy, Lucifer.Funny enough in orange man's quest, he makes a comparison between her and Lucifer if you do the quest after the chaos alignment lock on CoV.
>>745990018The only thing I like about this game is the possibility of making shit demons as strong as you want, and I won't play future games if they take it away from the players.That being said, I really want them to stop selling me faggots as main characters
>>745990018it looks like dogshit and the world is completely uninterestingthe switch curse strikes once again
>>746012882You're not necessarily wrong, but you're coming at it purely from a pragmatic perspective while the game is not. If you pay attention to the girl's dialogue throughout the game you'll notice that Yoko always airs on the side of the freedom to make bad decisions and against oppressive tendencies even when she doesn't like the outcome they prevent. She "sides" with the vampires ideologically not because she thinks it's good the Kudlaks are killing people, but because what she despises most of all is the notion that they should be condemned as evil solely for pursuing the nature that they did not choose. When she chooses Leanan Sidhe over Sarasvati it isn't because she doesn't care that they might die under her watch, but because she values their right to chase dreams more than the safety Sarasvati provides.Yoko definitely could be wrong about things and she is definitely motivated by scorn for the current world, but she isn't stupid. She is aware that humanity will always act the way you're describing and she doesn't shy away from that fact, instead she values people genuinely having the ability sow and reap things of their own free will.And just so I'm not only calling best girl retarded here, Tao is just as inconsistent and dumb. She is fine with taking away freedoms from people because what she values is their life in the broadest sense of the word, more than happy to coddle them even if that stifles growth in order to avoid bad outcomes.
>>746013953I didn't realize there was more than one? It matches all the screenshots I've seen on here.
>>746013808NTA but if you really want to dumb down Tao and Yoko you could just say that Yoko only really cares about her personal vengeance and Tao only cares about saving Sahori. Both are true but also it's not as simple as that.
THE SHEER AUDACITY OF YOU GUYS POSTING LOW RES SCREENSHOTS FOR SUCH A GODLIKE GAME!!!
>>746014173TRULY SICKENING
>>746014124Did you actually look at the mod I posted, or did you just see the screenshot and think I actually ripped the fucking vanilla clothed model and uploaded that?It IS the nude mod, you retard.
>>746014223VILE EVEN!
>>746014263THIS CALLS FOR PUNISHMENT!
post the webm of alice's nude death animations>>746014010there's one with and without shoes
>Game runs fine at 8k because of its inherent optimization for a Nintendo toyThat's good at least. Glad I'll be able to play the game 10 years form now when World War RAM have reduced the worlds supply to 1/10th of what it was.
>>746014332I'LL TAKVE OVER.
>>746014151I'm not dumbing down anything, and neither of those would be fair ways to dumb them down anyway. Dumbing them down would just be personal freedom vs safety or Chaos vs Law, because that's the whole point. They are both extremists who agree on almost everything except the causes and solutions.
>>746013808But earlier, she's critical of modern society. She even makes the dumb "hurdur cars kill people" argument that Takaya made in P3R.
>>746014396I've only ever seen the one. If you have a different mod, then post it.
>>746013808Well in the case of vampires, it''s not an ideological issue. As a species, it's perfectly logical to destroy our natural predators.
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The true irony of chaos is that absolute freedom means that you must also accept that the strong will have the "freedom" to enact order or even oppress others. In a world of true freedom, there will always be some measure of law.
>>746014440>and neither of those would be fair ways to dumb them down anywayYou sure?
>>7459900184>5>nocturneI feel like 4 simply has better flow and obviously a setting, in 5 you just clear differently colored maps with some hints of the plot
>>746006979Weebs don't care about Xbox.Any complaints about muh difficulty of emulation is dishonest self loathing
>>746012169I dunno why they smeared the Unity shit all over Kaneko's artstyle but they were somehow shameless enough to do it
>>746015113any ideas to format it? tried ghetto .pak read only but no results
*fart sounds* OO AH *fart sounds* OO AH
>>746014461She wasn't arguing that cars bad because they kill people, she was using it as an analogy for the universe as a whole. Yoko is putting forth the idea that humanity created this system that requires the moral dilemma in the first place, just like how the Throne influences the world and it's existence itself enforces conflict over it. Yoko doesn't like that the system people are born into does not offer a realistic alternative. The decision to use cars was made long before anyone around today was alive, so people are now born into a world where there is no longer a choice to use them or not.>>746014673>As a species, it's perfectly logical to destroy our natural predators.Yeah, and as a species it's perfectly logical for vampires to treat humanity as prey animals. In fact it's arguably morally good to hunt humans to protect their kin even.
>>746016076Fundamentally, I don't actually think any system in SMT can create infinite resources, or a world in which the concept of "risk vs reward" stops being a thing. No matter what you do, no matter how many times you topple the old rules and set new ones up in their place, there will always be limits to everything. And I don't even think SMTVV really puts forth the idea that even if Yoko gets her way, such a perfect paradise on earth will exist. The reason we as humans are beholden to decisions made in the past is because A) the passage of time is absolute and B) humanity is not immortal. Everything has a consequence. What Yoko seems to want is a world free of consequence, but causality does not seem to be a thing that can actually be erased. There is no such force in all of SMT, in all of the cosmos within the context of its setting, that can erase entropy itself from the universe.
>>746014814Wasn't that the point of the alternate Tokyos in IV
>>746016465>What Yoko seems to want is a world free of consequenceShe wants the opposite of that, that's the entire point. Yoko is fine with people suffering the consequences of their choices, what she hates is being unable to make them. She holds an inherently absurd position since she's advocating for something that is impossible, however completely logical arguments like yours don't really apply because she's arguing for those normally impossible philosophical concepts in a world where you actually can rewrite the fundamental truths of reality.
>>746017157But again, the game never asserts that the new world would be free of entropy.
I was surprised they didn't promote the imouto girl into being the neutral rep with the Egyptian gods or something instead of locking her to sidequests, again
>>745990018I played the original SMTV on release, thought it was decent, but heavily flawed, with some great music and solid press turn gameplay, but bad story and characters, and the game often felt like a slog. Got Vengeance, and while I can see all the improvements it made and I like the new content, it doesn't feel like a fundamentally different game, and I have trouble getting through it all over again. So I can get why so many people praise VV as being the best in the series, I honestly find Nocturne more enjoyable to play despite it being more archaic. I like the story, characters, music, and dungeons of Nocturne more, though Vengeance is probably my second favorite SMT behind 3.
>>746017773It doesn't have to. Using your terms, we already know the "entropy" of the old system. We know what it is intended for and the results are already a known statistic. Yoko really just wants to try a new experiment to get better results.
>>746017848Nuwa and Aogami are the neutral reps.
>>746019306I mean for the Vengence story.
>>746018524I'm not sure if I've ever actually finished SMT3... I keep putting the game down for a few weeks and come back to be completely lost with no idea what to do. I think the furthest I've gotten was meeting the Manikin murderer dude.
>>746019362I mean they still are in CoV, that's why they got taken out. No fence sitting.
>>745990080FPBP I went back and forth between VV and Nocturne but VV really is the best. The only thing I think is missing from VV is the Mitama system.
>>745990018Great game with amazing music and a lot of great designs. Shit to replay for other endings and mid story but still a great game. Not even my completionist autism could survive trying to replay it though.
>>746007176Play the game is release order then
>>746008285Not him but even after getting easy mode it's still faster to go home>close>restart than go through the cutscene. It's really fucking stupid
>>746010954Nah, Tsukuyomi form tries way too hard to be cool while Susanoo looks divine
>>745998435The 4 demon sluts are the best addition and I had all of them in my party by the end game.
>>746009494best girl even when she's not present.
>side with Tsudaken>or side with SugitaWhy would they do this to me?
>>746011786It's a shame that Dazai and his angel mom are fucking awful and I don't want to pick their side out of spite.
>>745990018It's okay but it's nowhere near the level of quality of IV, soul hackers, nocturne, strange journey.. basically any other smt game..
>>746006684Where's his Nahobeenis?
It was really cool as a sequel to Nocturne and I respect how it wanted to mirror that game in a lot of ways while doing the opposite of it in others. Great game overall, I just wish there was more to explore than desert.
>>745990018idun
>>746006153Lilith and Argat are some of the most OP demons in the game.
>>746023637SMT needs more demons like this
>>746024156They're okay, but not top tier. Mother Earth's effects are better covered elsewhere and you can do way better and more consistent damage than Queen's Decree with other setups. And building demons without their uniques is super lame and gay.You can beat anything in the game with any demons (or without any demons) with the right 'bino setup, but in terms of real OP shit the Qadistu don't compare to the likes of Beelzebub or Dana/Dagda or Konohana Sakura.
>>746026061It's kind of funny how OP Sakura is considering how early you can get her.
>>745996282That it deserves.
>>745990080>>745990830Apocalypse is a better game. You know in your heart it's true. Ignore the cringe story beats and be honest with yourself
>>746026730She was a post dlc demon though. Like even way after all off the normal dlc they just up and randomly added her for free
>>746014263Cute Mermaid!
>>745991262Same. I think in a way all of us are intrinsically linked. All different fragments of the same person... You are me.. and I am (You)
>>746026887No I don't agree. I like VV more because there's a bigger emphasis on battles with multiple enemies or bosses summoning support, IVA most bosses are fight an single strong guy.
SMT was never good.
>>746027020I got her in the CoC, which I thought was all pre DLC and Vengeance. I didn't know she got added later.
I just got done with Creation, the Supersatan boss was rad but I couldn't get past Masakado and his bullshit so I'm saving him for my Vengeance run. Is Dazai a better character in the new campaign? Because his heel turn if you can even call it that came out of nowhere and was incredibly stupid in excecution.
SMT was always good.
>>746027594Masakado isn't available in CoV.
>>746023637is modding smt v hard? i had an idea for a bossfight involving her
SMT6 when?
>>746025358you are correct
>>746028495wait 10 years
>>746027594getting Lawpilled makes you stupid, Dazai is consistent.
>>746027125>ESL is VV fagMakes sense to me
