howling fjord start is superior
It was decent although I prefer normal "obtain 10 rat kidney" quests.
>>745990817Can't wait for Northrend to mysteriously shrink into only 4 zones in The Last Titan
>>745993173>mfw I first visited/leveled starting in Boreal Tundra
>is the worst dungeon of the expansion in your path
>>745993607It's going to suck either way because it's just going to be a bunch of nostalgia bait because blizzard has no integrity or respect for their own story at this point, you'll start in warsong hold or valiance keep and run back the same quests you did in wrath but with modern shit writing, icecrown will somehow be a raid again but now it's void, etc it's all just going to be shit everything that blizzard makes now is so insincere and minimal feeling
>>745993501Agreed. Less is more. Things can happen fluidly when I am out collecting 20 bear asses. An enemy rogue might gank me, I might find a rare spawn or a chest, a friendly player might team up with me, I might find a group for SFK and come back to the quest later, etc. Nothing organic happens when I am locked into a vehicle and forced to complete my tasks in the designated quest area before I am allowed to return to the MMO part of the game.
>>745990817
>>745990817Loved the atmosphere and quest design, though I'm not a fan of how heavily they leaned into phases. Like >>745997061 said, a good chunk of the fun is the stuff that can happen when you're out questing, and splitting people into different phases of the same location based on quest progression eats into that.
>>745993607I feel retarded for being excited to return to Northrend. Given how Midnight's story has been I expect the worst, yet I'm still excited regardless because I'm dumb I guess.
>>745996527how? it's incredibly easy
>>745998610>easy dungeons are the best dungeonsSpotted the soulless chinese bot.
>>745998610It's slow, every boss has annoying invulnerability phases, and nobody likes vehicles.
>>745998698look I'm just here for my badges
>>745998610I want to play my character.
>>745998821>nobody likes vehicalsspeak for yourself. I enjoyed them a lot. IoC was cool, but they really needed to rebalance the glaive throwers which they never did.
i quit in tbc due to how aids that xpac was so never played wrath but always wanted to check out northrend since it was so cool in war3.
The biggest flaw is that Crystalsong, for such a nice looking zone, has fucking nothing going on in it.
>>745998610Fuck off retard
>>745990817I can't remember anything about sholazar basin but grizzly hills and storm peaks are maximum comfy
>>745998821we would never have gotten based original wrath wintergrasp without them
>>746000338>I can't remember anything about sholazar basinHemet Nesingwary Big Game Hunt: Northrend EditionGorloc vs. Wolvar gang warsKill some Scourge by helping a Titan Watcher
>>746000546Wintergrasp sucked ass and was a giant waste of development time.
>>745990817Borean - Aesthetically boring. No memorable questsSholazar - Shit version of StranglethornIcecrown - Mordor ripoff but with ice Crystalsong - Probably the least useful zone in the entire game to this day Wintergrasp - Tenacity buff awaits Grizzly Hills - Great music and aesthetic. Bad quests Gundrak - Yet another troll zone Storm Peaks - Gets a pass because Ulduar is in it. Fuck those Hodir dailies Dragonblight - I feel like almost half of this zone isn't being used at all and is just empty space Fjord - Probably the only solid experience of the lot
>>746001526it was extremely fun until pservers and classic ruined it
>>746001650No it wasn't. It was a laggy shitfest.
>>746001540>Gundrak - Yet another troll zoneWas it not the very first troll zone?
>>746001540Ulduar is legitimately the most overrated raid in WoW history. Both Naxx and ToC were more enjoyable, in large part because of their brevity. The obligatory farm run of Ulduar were aids, every hardmode was some obnoxious gimmick up to and including just standing there for 10 minutes to activate Vezax hardmode.
>>746002779>toc was more enjoyablenow this is shitposting
>>746002871It unironically was. TOGC too 35 minutes, had a couple of fun fights then you were done. Ulduar was a 90-120 minute slog full of annoying fights like HM Thorim (lol you stood a bees dick to close together, half the raid gets one-shot because blizzard disabled proximity addons) and Vezax (literally just stand there afk for 10 minutes while the shit spawns to turn on hard mode).Heroic Anub was a better fight than any fight in Ulduar and ToC was overall more enjoyable to raid. Ulduar has nice scenery and is a big spectacle so people who only ever did it a couple of times think it's great. It isn't.
>>745990817Isle Delfino
>>746002779>Naxx>BrevityWuh...?
>>746005414My guild wasn't even speedrunning and naxx25 still took <40 minutes.
>>746006470I mean I guess in Wrath's baby Naxx where you can just AoE down trash easily. A full clear is still huge though.
>>746006685This is literally a thread about Wrath you mongoloid.
>>746007119Yes, I see that anon. A long raid that you can rush through by overpowering it doesn't scream "brevity", it screams being undertuned. You could rush through Ulduar past a certain point too, it just wasn't tuned to be ran in dungeon/quest blues.
>>746007298You are a retard.>You could rush through Ulduar past a certain point tooNo you couldn't, because it had shitloads of RP and bosses where you were forced to sit around and wait.
>>746007425Alright bro whatever you say. Sure, fucking Naxxramas is "brief". You win.
>>745990817Australia?
>>745993173this is what Undead cucks actually believe
Who got the scoop on the Classic + leaks?
>>746008687centaurs will be playable
I hate death knights.
>>746008774K, not sure how that works with modelling. Any other leaks or larps?
>>746008687WoW leaks aren't real. It's all just schizos posting their wishlist items for things that will never be.
>>746008687
>>746008807There some legitimacy in the sea of shit sometimes. But it is hard to tell because what WoWTroons want and what Blizz does are both retarded.
>>746008893>*loud shitting in the background*
>>745993173>tfw Arthas sees you while you're astral projecting>tfw he just kills you and you have to revive to finish the quest
>tfw never played WotLK
>>7459908172 great zones, two okay zones.
>>746008774will they be gay only or?
>>746009769Yes but you can only play as a centaur mare.
Grizzly Hills looks nice but I couldn't stand the bagpipe music. Had to turn it off
>>746010565>my steak is too juicy
>>745990817I wish I had friends to play wow with
>>745990817Reminder that Northrend is going to be getting, at least in part, a Silvermoon/Eversong tier makeover because it's a major questing area in The Last Titan
I can't believe people played Borean Tundra instead of Howling Fjord. It's horrible over there
>>746011696>Dragonblight will be probably the new landing zone because payoff from Dragonflight>Storm Peaks is an obvious choice that's where all the important Titan junk is>Icecrown will probably be in too because Blizzard will want some payoff from Shadowlands against everyone's wishes while also shitting on/nostalgia wanking Arthas some moreNot sure what other zone will be remade to fill the obligatory four zone expac size. Ooh, maybe they'll finally make Azjol-Nerub as payoff for War Within.
>>746001540> Crystalsong - Probably the least useful zone in the entire game to this dayCrystalsong has a capital city in it and it isn't even the least important zone in its expansion. Hey dipshit you forgot about Hrothgar's Landing.
>>746012310>Crystalsong has a capital city in it*Far above it, and you'll basically only ever get to it by just getting teleported there by quests or a mage. It could have been placed above any zone.>Hrothgar's LandingI mean it's just an island for dailies. It's not marked on the map as a full zone.
I remember coming from BC that the mining and herbing was a lot juicier. There were just a lot more herb and mining nodes.Dalaran was so cool and always packed. If your connection was shit you'd have to avoid it.I liked all the goblin quests at the start of K3. The valkyries had big titties.
>>745998610Oculus actually had a pretty high kill count. The whelps and casters right at the start do a lot of damage that people aren't typically prepared for and tons of people just run straight into them before the healer has even zoned in. And then later the golem+caster packs had massively high melee damage on the golems and aoe damage on the casters which people obviously decide to stand in. And then the penultimate boss required you to stand behind a shelter to not die, which was truly an insurmountable task for some people. And then the last boss needed you to read your dragon's abilities, which is strictly impossible for an mmo player.Of course, it didn't matter if you played a paladin healer. Because then it didn't matter how retarded your party was because they couldn't possibly die and you never ran out of mana.
>>746012512>And then the penultimate boss required you to stand behind a shelter to not die, which was truly an insurmountable task for some people.lol yeah people got raped by that so hard
>>746012512Paladins were outrageously strong in Wotlk. I remember Warrior tanks just couldn't compete
>>746011696People still follow this fucking story instead of reminiscing about everything pre Cata or making fun of how ugly the game looks now?
>>746012497https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9IXUwqxIao&t=182sit's peak...
>>746012310Dalaran being in Crystalsong is the exact reason why nothing else happens in the zone. They were going to put the Argent Tournament there but the load of the expansion capital and a major daily quest hub and dungeon/raid would've broken the servers completely.
>>746012582It was even more disproportionate with healers. Paladin tanks were better than warrior tanks, mostly because of ardent defender (paladin cheat death), but you didn't really *need* a paladin to tank or anything. But paladin healers just healed more, faster, didn't run out of mana and had more and more effective panic buttons out of any healer. Discipline priest had absorbs, yes, shamans had bloodlust, yes, but paladins were just strictly better healers by a massive margin.
>>746012413> It's not marked on the map as a full zone.It is, you can click on it from the map just like every other zone.
I don't get the nostalgia for wrath. The writing was retarded front to back up to and including "there must always be a lich king," the zones were so boring and you just quested through them, people say oh grizzly hills was heckin comfy but no one goes there and it's barely even worth questing in, Dalaran got owned by the Scourge and Archimonde but it's totally fine and bears no scars and they teleported the city which is honestly so fucking retarded, like why not just open a portal to Northrend instead of sending the city, no problem though Arthas will never attack it. Rehash of cthun but with Norse robots that rape the mystery of the titans, pointless dragon side stories, argent tournament is completely out of place, LK's master plan is to penis torture Bolvar 25/7 while you kill his entire army and plague researchers and dragons and shit so he can raise 10 to 25 people as his champions (people not even strong enough to beat him in a straight fight btw) but he jobs to a sneak attack from Tirion. It's insane, if you traveled back in time and told me after playing tft the plot of wrath I'd think it was the most retarded bullshit.Zul'drak was the only cool thing, trolls killing and cannibalizing their gods in desperation was a rare stroke of compelling writing in a way overhyped mess of an expansion.
>>746012609>not keeping up with the shitshow of their first attempt at directly connected, mulit-expansion storylinesIt's the first major patch of the second expansion and we're only just getting any clue as to what the fuck the endgoal of the main villain is
>>746012804I never really knew the paladin healers were strong because I played a holy priest. Our other healers were two notorious retards who played Druid and Shaman healers
>>746012873Yeah, but it was also added later specifically for the dailies. I don't know why they bothered making it clickable, I can't think of any reason you would even need a map of it, but it's clearly not at all meant to be a real zone.Meanwhile Crystalsong looks like a full zone except when you get there there's barely any quests. I'm guessing it was meant to be a zone but the planned stuff cut.
>>745990817call me contrarian but I fucking hated Grizzly Hills, especially the music.I have levelled 10 different characters back when I still play WoW on WOTLK's launch and I skip that shit zone every fucking time just because I can't stand the music there. I seriously don't get how people keep glazing this fucking zone calling it the comfiest or ranking this zone's music so high.
>>746012950>You don't even know who you are up against in the latest expansionkek nu-wow lore is so fucked.
>>746002779Justice for Naxxramas. That raid was great. People shit on it for being 'easy' despite it being the first fucking raid of the expansion. Of course it's easy. Molten Core and Karazhan were also easy. At least in Naxx most of the bosses needed people to know the mechanics of the fight.>>746012967I played both paladin and priest healer and let me tell you, holy shit priests got the raw end of the deal in WotLK. You know how if you spammed your heals nonstop you'd run out of mana as a priest and then have to hope shadowfiend clawed back enough mana to actually keep doing something? Paladins didn't get that. They didn't run out of mana. Their mana regen skill didn't have a 5 minute cooldown and didn't rely on shitty pet AI attacks. And their holy lights were about 3x as cost effective as greater heal because of the broken glyph which gave it splash heal.
>>746012915People aren't nostalgic for writing, they're nostalgic for experiences and senses. The music is great and takes me back. When I see a screenshot of Grizzly Hills it takes me back to camping that spirit bear in the early hours of the morning. My noslagia could not care less about some dumb retcon or development or whatever.
>>746012915>despite the scourge being right next to the trolls for about a decade by the time wotlk started they had absolutely no way to defend themselves against the undead>kill all the gods they can and accomplish nothing but shooting down one necropolis>gundrak raid was cut so we didnt even get to kill frost king for daring to be relevant in his pointless sidequest of a zone
>Wipes your shitter group for the umpteenth timeCrazy how many people couldn't play Loken says.
>blizzslopnot video games
>>746012915>The writing was retarded front to back upThat describes all of World of Warcraft story writing. You might generously call Nefarian's villain arc passable, but not exactly Shakespeare. After that it's retardcity baby, let's go, choochoo on the nothing-makes-sense train.
>>746013107>I really miss sitting afk for a blue bearRiveting gameplay
>>746013283Timely Demise or bust
Booted up WoW for the first time in almost two decades and why does nobody speak in the General chat before?I remember it being an almost constant thing and now nobody talks.
>>746003096>It unironically was. TOGC too 35 minutes, had a couple of fun fights then you were done. Ulduar was a 90-120 minute slog>the game I pay to play is better the less I have to play itthis is the mindset that killed WoW. nobody wants a 3 hour sprawling dungeon like Blackrock Depths, they just want a 5 minute hallway. nobody wants an epic, grand scale raid, they just want to log in for 30 minutes a week and then log off. you're cancer. Ulduar was great.
>>746013546Because you get banned for saying anything
>>746013418I missed the experience of being a teenager who could stay up all night doing something as pointless as sitting at my keyboard waiting for the blue bear.I have more freedom to do whatever I want now, but nostalgia isn't logical.
>>745990817very dumb
>>746013684Ulduar was dogshit you retarded boomerIf you actually wanted a long lasting raid you would be playing retail and mythic raiding right now, but you arent are you?
>>746013723>I missed the experience of being a teenager who could stay up all night doing somethingWhich of course has nothing to do with WoW at all>but nostalgia isn't logical.Thats what introspection is for
>>74601291510/10 posteven recognized one of the rare cool things about wotlk, no notes
>>746013086Damn that sucks, I never really knew that. I ended up going druid healer later in the expansion and found it a lot easier.
>>746013684>nobody wants a 3 hour sprawling dungeon like Blackrock DepthsNobody did back in the day, either. You wanted to go for your attunement? You made a group to do just the attunement and then you left. Rogues and Druids got together to skip up to the bar for Plugger. If for some fucked up reason you wanted to do Emperor you found people who only wanted to go right to Emperor. You think it was a coincidence that two of the longest, shittiest dungeons (Sunken and BRD) got class quests added to them to try and get more people to go and to do more of the content while they were there? I solo'd the goddamn ST dragons on my rogue rather than try to get a group to do that shithole.
>>745990817>play WC3>northrend is a frozen barely populated bumfuck nowhereland>play WoW>settlements and convenient services everywhere
What's that? Want a bleak undead infested icey hell like in Warcraft 3?>TOO BAD>HERE TEDDY BEAR>HERE JUNGLE>HERE VIKING>HERE FLYING ONLY ZONE>HERE ANOTER FLYING ONLY ZONE>HERE WHIMSICAL JOUSTING TOURNAMENT>FUCK YOU
>>746013897>>746013859Why does any of that matter when youre just raid logging anyway?
>>746013797I don't know why you're trying to argue with me about this. I just answered the man's question.I'm hardly praising the game or anything, nor am I framing it as some amazing gameplay experience. I did something pointless as a teen, and hearing the music reminds me of being a teenager. It's not complicated, and it's not like you're going to un-nostalgify it for me.
>>745990817tranny game generals belong in /vg/so fuck off to >>>/vg/
>>745990817>it's 2008>you're a uni student with zero responsibilites>you've been playing WOTLK on launch for 30 hours straight and you're delirious from sleep deprivation >you ride over the hill from Howling Fjord to Grizzly Hills>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpyInx0ldfoIn hindsight Wrath was kind of garbage, began the trend of welfare gear and casualization and massive content droughts that made me quit the game for over a decade, but those early days were absolute kino
>>746013929raidloggers are why blizzard got away with turning quests into toddler puzzles, censoring half the game and turning every other npc into a queer and/or troon
I really loved Azjol-Nerub and Ahn'kahet, the environment was crazy. It was a massive mistake to not make a raid out of them.
>>746014027>began the trend of welfare gearThat one was BC.
>>746013859creep camps with sapient creatures were fairly common, but the terrain got nerfed in wow
>>746014104>a raidIt was supposed to be a zone.>at the time, reading some dev's explanation of how they used a bunch of tricks to make the two but especially Azjol feel much bigger than they actually are>falling down a hole and getting a glimpse of multiple layers of a zone you'll never really go to was their way of compensating for giving us Wintergrasp instead of something from WC3Pretty much the beginning of the end
>>746014027Welfare gear was BC.We blame Wrath for LFG.
>>746014293>>746014203It was ZG, AQ20 and T0.5
>>746014394I was thinking of badge gear but yeah catchup raids started with ZG.
>>746014031Yeah if only it had deep and complex quests like...uhh....collecting 6 zebra hooves?Nobody gives a shit about your questslop
>>746014447>So simple I need Questie to do everything for me
>>746014485>questhelper addons didnt exist in vanilla>nobody ever had their entire route through every zone plotted out>thottbot and allakazam didnt exist for everyone to look up every little thing they couldnt be bothered to figure out
>>746014027>welfare gearor>new/returning players softlocked at level cap
>>746014485Are you really going to waste an hour embarassing yourself trying to pretend anything in vanilla wasnt braindead easy goyslop?People use questie to optimize for speed, because the content is so dogshit they want to get past it ASAP. Nobody needs questie to complete the quest, retarded children did it in 2004.
>>746014604>questing is boring shit>dungeons are boring shit>raids are boring shitwhy even play the game then
>>746014604>People use questie to optimize for speed, becausebecause your brain doesn't work
>>746014272For an MMO, I think developing a PvP-focused zone makes more sense than another questing zone. It's a cool concept but let's be honest, it would have been the black sheep of the xpac anyway just like Vash'jir.
>>746014635Nobody plays classic its very deadLuckily in retail the dungeons and raids are interesting, hence its the #1 MMO
>>746014839>Luckily in retail the dungeons and raids are interesting
>>746014863Post parses
>>746014975no
>>746015020thought so bitch
>>746014975>parsesYWNBAW
>>746014604Great self own.
>>746014975You don't care about the content, you just care about parsing
>>746015029thought what?
>>746015042>>746015049>>746015056Gray parser hands typed these posts
>>746014635Diaper gnome ERP
The only thing I remember about the Borean Tundra is that there is a gnome sub-zone where they are drilling oil or something and one of the quests is literally having to go around collecting actual, literal SHIT.I hope the faggot at Blizz who wrote that quest dies a horrible death.
>>746015548https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Poop_questlollmao, even
>>746015548There were poop collecting quests in vanilla and tbc tooPretty sure it didn't stop until like legion
>>745999995They cut a lot of shit out of it, like the Argent Tournament, because it's SO close to Dalaran. It was really taxing on server lag if there was literally anything going on in Crystalsong because of the vertically layered nature of the city. It is a shame but it's the price to be paid for floating city, I guess.
>>746014604>get quest in vanilla>description is vague but not incomprehensible>explore until you find the place to do the quest>do questUnironically harder than any quest in retail
>>746000338>green protodrake in first egg
>>746016593Timewasting is not difficultWander around the area for a few minutes and you find it
>>746013086Karazhan wasnt as easy as you remember anon. I recall shitters being buckbroken by Moroes for ages.Then by Curator or the dragons/jaraxxus
>>746011187this
>>745993607Which major lore male characters are gonna be exposed as pathetic chuds in TLT?
I live under a rock whats the point of revisiting northrend?did they find some new titan shit or they will somehow being lk back from nonexistence to make fun of him
>>745990817Looking back at it wotlk was so incredibly rushed and unfinished, with a ton of crappy design.>no underground nerub zone raid>no vrykul raid>no ice troll raid>the lick king is a Saturday morning cartoon villain who pops up randomly to tell you how he's not going to kill you now because of reasons>almost no reason to actually be in the continent as there's nothing to do outside of lvling so everyone just afks in dalaran>only a single rep that needs working on>professions are incredibly streamlined and boring>wintergraps is meh>first raiding tier is just reheated naxx but with op classes making it trivial>5 mans are a complete joke and you can roll them over in greens>badge gear everywhere even tier sets>buffs and debuffs are no longer unique>glyphs (lol)Ulduar is basically the only saving grace for that expansions and the classes being pretty fun to play.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcvVu8mCGIM
>>746014272every wrath instance is a terrible cramped hallway, wow dungeons degenerated so fast
>>745998610i remember whenver tis shit would pop in random queue 3/5 ppl leave instantly
>>745990817Howling Fjord and Grizzly Hills are litearlly peak leveling areas with the best soundtrack old blizzard has released (Totems of the Grizzlemaw is literally BiS).Also if you enter Northrend through Borean Tundra I assume you like to watch your wife getting creampied by Jammal every saturday night
>>746021287People like to say Wotlk was peak wow due to the highest sub count, but if you look at the graph with actual eyes you'd see wotlk was when wow plateu'd. TBC was arguably WoW's best expansion ever, based purelly on sub increase numbers
>>746012967iirc paladins just did judgement of light and padded meters, it’s not real useful healing and any paladin can do it not just holy
>>746025489Holy paladins were incredibly strong tank healers that never ran out of mana, judgement of light procs are going to be a relative small amount of healing compared to gigantic holy light crits
TBC sucksWotlk sucks
>>746013761>>746002779>>746003096You can be the smartest contrarian in the world, you still can't convince anyone that ToC isn't an utter dogshit raid.At best you could have baited and say Naxx or ICC is better than Ulduar, but ToC is one of the most hated raids historically for very good reasons.People hated ToC back then, and people hate ToC nowadays.
>>746027323wrath is quantity > quality with mostly bad lazy raids
It doesn't look anything like wc3 northrend, the dragonflights were a mistake.
>>745993173Fjord and Grizzly Hills are the highlight of the expac and it all goes down from there
>>745997156>new expansion>oh here's ANOTHER hidden continent we didn't know about despite having ships and flight travel because plot obfuscation>also it's the most important thing in the history of the entire world, lore, and everything now
>>745990817pets with moonfire
>>745990817awful expansion that kill the entire wc3 lore.
>>746011696>do you have to ruin everything>blizzard: yes.
>>746012787Imagine if Dalaran and Naxxramas were in the same zone you could have air raids between them
>the scourge won't kill our gods>WE will!were the drakkari retardi
>>746027407wow has always been quantity over quality even in vanilla
>be me>dropped out of school>16/17 y.o.>only thing i do is play wotlk on a private server>chat and talk with people theregood times manlonelybut good times
>>746012915I assumed Nerzhul assuming direct control of Arthas so he could free himself from his prison was the entire point of the frozen throne, it irked me that Arthas was the one in control in wotlk and showing up like saturday morning cartoon villain in every zone
>>746012915You could faceroll everything even if retarded also it was everyone's first mmo
>>746021287>classes being fun to playSure if you were a frost mage.
>>746001540>GundrakThat was a fucking dungeon, the capital of the zone that was called Zul'drak.
>>746020924a heckin based reference to a time when wow was less shit so retairds will seal clapcan't wait for a council of female nerubian girlboss, female drakkari girlboss, female vrykul girlboss, femail iron dwarf girlboss, female voiddragon girlboss and Sylvanas to end the expansion in a zoom meeting
>>746020924>whats the point of revisiting northrendEasier to rehash, any foundation that is sort of stable is worth building your shit house on
>go'elholy fuck I hate cata
>>746001540I always thought Zul'drak was fucking cool. It is not some mudhuts in the wilderness or some still inhabited ruins of a previously great troll civilization in the middle of the jungle like we had seen up to that point, the whole zone is a fucking city and we're witnessing the empire it belongs to collapsing when we arrive. The lower tiers range from being taken over to being assaulted and massacred by the scourge directly, while the upper tiers have priests getting desperate to the point of killing the gods they worshipped and usurping their power and leadership simply giving up and joining the scourge. It had some of the better storytelling in northrend.
>>746008687https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw8gE3lnpLQ
>tfw haven't played anniversary since it was like MC daysI contemplated returning for Wrath but then I have to level through TBC a few times and redo all my addons and returned back to "Fuck it".Hell last time on the original run of classic I just stopped playing in the Naxx era and never came back effectively missing half the expansion anyway.
>>746032746except after wrath there wasn't even quantity
>noun+nounyawn
>>746034775then you get to gundrak, capital of the drakkari empire and it's a fucking hallway, they should have just made instanced versions of zuldrak like zuldazar for dungeons, it's reusing assets but it's still better than a hallway
>>745993173>>746031395I hate forests
boreal tundra more like BORING BLUNDERA
Vanilla/TBC>Yeah we prefer that you are running at least X Agility and Y Attack Power, but I see your build does more suit your Z StrengthWOTLK>ILVL ILVL WHATS YOUR ILVL SORRY YOUR ILVL ISNT HIGH ENOUGH MAYBE YOU SHOULD USE THESE GLOVES THAT ARE OBJECTIVELY WORSE FOR YOU BECAUSE IT'LL RAISE YOUR ILVL BY 4 POINTS SORRY ABOUT UR ILVL ILVLILVL
>>746038408>wrath>ilvlYou mean Gearscore, a third party addon.
>>746038408Glad I quit when that fucking arena raid was about to release. Friend of mine kept playing so I got to see the ilvl retardation happen. Never got to experience the lich kind raid though
>>746037246wrath launch had a full week of raids>12 dungeons>naxx 10/25>eoe 10/25>os 10/25and a year later by icc>uldar 10/25>totc 10/25>ony 10/25>icc 10/2514 different instances to raid per week is quantity
>>746038408>ilvlLol this guy
>>745990817I think I liked basically all the zones here. Zul'Drak and Borean Tundra were my least favorites, but zones like Sholazar Basin and Storm Peaks are still two of my favorite zones in the entire game. Fantastic music too.
>>746038681The release of newer raids make older ones obsolete, there's no reason to run naxx (aside from aiming for one boss for weekly quest) when ToC or ICC is out. The usual endgame 3.3.5a raid circuit is ICC+RS and the frost guy in VoA, so one full raid and then two bosses
>>745997156Gadgetzan, booty bay and that fucking island was kino thoughbeit.
>hello remember me from the frozen throne?>repeat for almost every damn quest in the whole expansion>naxx downgrade>shit raid>shit raid with a vehicle boss>shit raid>meh raid>nerfed world pvp zone ruined after 1 month because blizzard couldn't copy warhammer mmorpg correctly>nerfed dk because arena retards ruin the game for everyone else>retards consider this a good expansion
>>746038868achievements, mounts, ulduar fragments, boes, emblems, altsdo you just not play the game?
>>745990817https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjuN1dE50VI
>>746038681that's why i said after wrath meaning cata and co
>>746039424>achievements, mountsoptional>ulduar fragmentsnot needed but sure, if you really want your healer to have a legendary from two raids ago>boesboes from old raids are also obsolete, nobody wants ilvl 200 shit when you can buy 232 and 245 gear using triumphs from heroics>emblemsonly the most recent tier drops relevant emblems, if you want triumphs then farming heroics is easier>altsare geared through triumphs from heroics and the occasional 264 BoE if you're richI've played wrath private servers on and off for over 10 years now and nobody runs naxx, os, eoe, ulduar, onyxia or 2/4 voa bosses for gear on the last patch.
lmao
>>746021287ThisWotLK started with the themepark style zones - Dragonblight being the worst offender with all the shit going wherever you go instead of having a natural landscape. Dungeons were made for literal retards, dungeonfinder was pure aids, start of gearscore obsession, turning Naxx into a joke, LK being a retard. Pretty much everything you summed up. That and how WotLK marked the point where Blizzard shifted towards the Pixar style with softer pastel colors
>>745990817genuinely dogshit questing experience
>>746021287This is basically all correct. It's insane how over-loaded the expansion is with quests vs vanilla & tbc yet the map feels so empty and devoid of anything worth doing
>>745990817I remember when I was a kid I went to Northrend with an extremely underleveled hunter tauren because I wanted the turtle mount. I had a turtle pet and wanted to match the theme. It's what got me to quit the game because I got stuck in areas where the level was too high getting killed.I look back at the attempt fondly.
>>746041656Bro, your hearthstone...?
>>746041740I don't remember, I might have set it to a nearby town because of how long it took to get there. Honestly I might have just refused to use it because of the time investment. Too stubborn to quit, too stupid to do it properly.
>>746041241Low IQ response. Better zones than tbc
TBC killed WoW
People sure type a lot of words to justify not appreciating one of the better expansions. I can't even imagine what the other 20 years of this game's lifespan have been like for you.
>>745993607Guess what.More trolls.
>>746042321nah
>>745997156WDYM northrend is mentally illness we went there in wc3
>>745996867obviously they won't deliver on the nostalgia, they'll vibe northrend a little but it will be the same lame girlboss tripe
So I found out that apparently burning legion is defeated, who tf are you wowbros fighting then?
>>746043452void burning legion
>>745993607Saw a leaked map for TLT's Northrend and guess what: It's four zones
>missed old wow and it's addons>missed them again with classic wowTheir content still in game? Can, I like, still play Lich king story with dungeons, quests and raids?
>>745998610Retards coudlnt figure out how to use the vehiclesThat's literally it.
>>746043452a vengeful eldritch void monster lady posessing the corpse of a dead elf lady
>>746043713>stop playing the class you chose and press these 4 buttons instead
sex with tauren females in chain bikinis
>>746031569It's funny to see how far eastern kingdoms has drifted away over time.
>>745993173Boring Tundra was truly terrible.
>>746043676Yes. If you roll a new character you can go to Northrend pretty easy from Org or SW
>>745990817>an entire zone dedicated to trolls jobbingMy poor trolly boys...Wish they'd done more with the Drakkari and the Nerubians. At the very least it was novel for an entire leveling zone to just be one huge fucking city. Like other anons have said, a lot of cool shit in Northrend gets undermined by the fact there's absolutely no reason for you to go anywhere but Dalaran if you don't have a quest. There are swaths of Borean Tundra and Icecrown that are completely unwalkable because they're designed around vehicle quests and have lootless trash mobs spawned out the ass so you can AoE them with a flying machine or demolisher. It makes the world feel very disjointed, especially since flying mounts sorta just shit all over the scourge's ground fortifications and you wind up building a fort on his fucking doorstep even with all the shit crawling around on Icerown Glacier.
>>745990817some of the best world pvp was over a random saronite node in shalozar
>>745990817When Cataclysm went live the portals to the main cities from Dalaran closed. Everyone had to board a boat. They were absolutely packed. Good memory.
>>746013546You have to go to trade chat and you'll find people talking about politics, at least on my server.
>>746043452Purple burning legion
>>746044054heh
https://xcancel.com/PsyopAnime/status/2087693487068029130what has happened to this series?
>>746045202>name like Psyopanime>Aislop image>TwitterI aint visiting that link nigga
>>746042498In retrospective it's 100% true, but back then it was absolutely great. Same can be said about the first half or so of the WotLK.
>>746045097What? Don't tell me it's some /pol/ meme.
>>746001540>CrystalsongPretty
>>745997156>>746031569>>746044054>>746043296Reminder that the DRAGON ISLES as a region are mentioned as early as Warcraft II's manual.They are more canon than Northrend, Kalimdor and Pandaria.
>>746046308It's a penis you dip
>>746002779Karazhan was my favorite raid in wow. Ulduar was meh. Overrated in my opinion
>>746027407>>wrath is quantity > quality with mostly bad lazy raids>the lazily made one room raid is therefore the best out of the whole expansionYou honestly can't make this shit up.
>>746046591Karazhan was fucking great, I also loved serpentshrine caverns
>>746046770whole game design is stupid. invalidate old content. its like world of wrath of the lich king. world of the burning crusade. ragnaros is nearly unbeatable except with a massively overpowered raid? not anymore! now its trivial because youre level 70 and have way better gear! oopsies! doesnt matter, you will pay $15 a month anyways!
>>746044054>Can we confirm our location? Is this Kalimdor?>We traveled due west, as you instructed. This should be it.Thrall sure was lucky dodging all those other continents and islands
