Epicsisters...
Full Steam ahead!
>>745996584They tried everything...... except creating a good product and providing a good service.
>>745996584yupsteam destroyed PC g aming and Epic isn't getting to ssave it
>>745996584I tried the epic launcher once and it was such a slugish jeetcoded electron garbage. Its so jeeted, it will literally tank your fps ingame.
Epic has the leaner client. Steam is full of bloat and ads.
>>746000014Piracy has the leaner client
>>746000014>storefront has adsYou're retarded
>>746000014That's true and a new beta build is coming around gamescom
>>746000014Show me Epic's small mode.
>corporation doesn't understand a fucking thing and just ends up doing it even worse>another corporation does it again>another corporation does it again>another corporation does it again>another corporation does it again>repeat over and over 20+ yearsit's so fucking funny
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>>746002297Did he see an un-chewed remote?
>>746001207>We never validated our core assumptions before investingWould fit well inscribed on the gravestone of western gaming, in case we get even one instead of browns wearing their skinsuits
>>745996702>Full Steam
>>746000014>Epic has the leaner clientNIGGER epic THEMSELVES ADMITTED that their launcher was bloated shit and are redoing the entire thing https://www.eurogamer.net/the-launcher-sucks-lets-call-it-what-it-is-epic-game-store-boss-says-promising-a-year-of-big-improvements-to-speed-new-forum-type-social-features-more>"We got a lot of stuff out the door last year, and this year is going to be probably the best year for that stuff on the 'big rocks'. And the big rocks are: the launcher sucks. Let's call it what it is. It's really slow," he continued.>"It makes calls to our back-end services to refresh every time you click around, and depending on your connection, you'll have to wait a couple seconds. And that just doesn't feel good, especially when people are comparing and contrasting and dual using one that doesn't do that."
>>746002972>retard fell for a ragebait
>>745996584Rothchild bros...our lawsuits...
>>746002972>We'll make it faster by adding the soc feature bloat many steam users dislike and which already causes them to beg Gaben for a debloated version Why does that make me feel like a UE5 shit-tier of storefront is looming on the horizon?
>>745996584>Analyst saysFor my entire life that meant Michael retard pachter, saying an "analyst says" is the equivalent of saying a twitter retard said this.
>>746001207>We failed...Goliath lostFirst time I've ever seen someone use a David v Goliath metaphor and not immediately assume the position of the underdog. I have to assume he just didn't know what he was talking about.
>>745996584Epic's plan was always retarded. Pissing on the face of their target audience, by rage baiting and other retarded statements, never improving their actual product / service, but rather trying sleazy practices like paying for exclusives.
>>746003587They didn't piss in the face of their target audience at all, I think you just incorrectly assume you were that target audience (I assume you buy video games). Their target audience was people who sell video games and they weren't shy about admitting it. I'm not saying that's a good audience to target, but they did so and treated this audience well.
>>746003910They'd have treated that audience better if they could actually sell their games.
>>746004006The games did sell, to EGS. Epic paid for them.
>>746001207>mfw this fuck is sacked because boards and ceos think like africans and gabe has magic dirtSome rich people are smart and deserve their spot but i really wonder how many arent being carried despite thier retardation
>>745996584>epic irrelevant>always was>steamtrannies always bring them up to kick a dead and thoroughly decomposed horsewhats with steamtrannies? let irrelevant things lie
>Steam is competes against free games through piracy>wins>Epic Games competes against Steam with 1 trick, free games>loses for years, millions of $ gone
>>745998578what is unc yapping about?
Steam's market dominance will eventually bite everyone in the ass. Gabe is awesome and sensible but he's not eternal and WILL leave this mortal coil one day. And on that day the beginning of the end will have happened. Human greed and stupidity will inevitably enshittify the platform, probably they'll go public and that'll be the final nail in the coffin. The entire Blackrock/Blackstone/whatever (((funds))) backing the industry will run in to get a piece of the carcass to be able to enshittify it futher and push agendas. Mark my words. I don't want it to happen, but mark my words.
They had no idea how directly insulting this was.
>>745996584EGS is just a game dump for UE titles so the developer can get a massive discount on engine licensing fees. Industry doesn't want to see it die yet
>>746001207What people don't understand is the same mentality that keeps consoles alive (except Xbox) does indeed exist on PC. The only difference is that instead of a hardware it is tied to a launcher. People built their gaming life on Steam. Steam achieved critical mass first. Even if a better competitor would arise it wouldn't matter. Steam would actively need to destroy itself to give a chance to anyone else. And even then people already have their libraries on Steam.The reality of the situation that capitalism inevitably leads to one, two, maybe three key players owning specific markets. Then there is no chance for anyone else to enter that market unless the market undergoes over some unforeseen fundamental change.
>>746007564It already did bite everyone in the ass. Thanks to steam pc went from kino pc only titles/genres to console port only because why make games for pc when you can make games for console and sell it at steam later? But I guess console secondaries who started using steam at 2015 get to larp as pc "chads" for being able to buy jrpg slop at steam store. Have fun mighty steam drones. You deserved everything that happened to you.
>>746009035The fuck you talking about console tard? Pc exclusive genres are still there and better than ever.
>>746000014>adsIT'S A LITERAL STORE YOU FUCKING RETARD, that's like entering a restaurant and them not having a menu
>>746009089name 3
>>746003910That's the funny part, they tried to sell their platform by claiming that they'd take less than the industry standard 30% cut, give millions to studios for timed exclusives on their platform, and shit like that. Yet at the end of the day, Steam still beat them in that department because they offered a shitload of infrastructure that was useful to developers, and simply by having the biggest storefront studios would still make more money on Steam by moving more product. The games that went EGS exclusive often missed out on the release hype that they could have gotten with Steam releases, and when those timed exclusives ended and the games released on Steam they never made up for it. To date, I think the only studio that ever succeeded despite being EGS exclusive is Supergiant.A bunch of dudes I know only ever signed up for EGS for the free games, and never bought anything from their storefront. Make of that what you will.
>>746009178Rtt, logistics simulation/city building, 4x
>>746009203>Steam still beat them in that department because they offered a shitload of infrastructur-clueless idiot didn't readsteam offered 20% to triple a gamesthat's why steam survived
>>745996584maybe they should just get gud then
Go on lads, this one's on me
Amazon "tried everything" and no one even noticed they were do anything. Good luck, Timmy.
>>746009221games dumbassname actual real pc games as 10% influential as starcraft or quake released recentlyyou can't because you are a console tard
>>745996584>"I didn't think epic can win this bros" Analyst says at least half a decade after it was apparent to literally every single other human being on earth
>>746002574>of western gamingIt's not just gaming, anon
>>746009353Can you not read what the post said? It said genres and not games, so based on context that's what you asked for. Quake isn't even in a pc exclusive genre and StarCraft is a boring game. The only RTS I can still stomach is TotalA. Also, I give exactly 0 fucks about how "influencial" games are. The fuck does a bunch of people copying a game do for me? I play games because they are fun, not because there are tons of identical games but worse to choose from.
>>745996864>muh c*stomersnah, it's le developeriinos that will decide!!1!
>>745998578>from fromah, my fellow fellow retard!
>>746008753>Geforce gtx 670>SSA>DirectX version 11
Does anyone ACTUALLY use ebin for anything else than fortnite and free game shaped bribes from Timmy? They don't even do big name timed exclusivity bullshit anymore.
>>746001207How come anyone, and I mean any single person, can understand why these stores fail, anyone BUT the people who keep making these stores? Like only people who don't understand how this market works try to enter it.
>>745996584I don't want Epic to die, I don't use it because it's shit and would prefer gog any day but even over steam but Steam will also turn to shit once it has no competition.And their free games approach was retarded. They should have used the money to release a ue flagship techdemo every few years and provide the documentation to other devs to help the publicity of the engine and give out fortnite bucks for activity / purchases on egs.
>>746000014The cope lmaoEpic haven't even bothered to update their store at all, it's trash and missing many features that Steam has
>>746001207>Our assumption was games would naturally buy from us because they were already using Twitch.daily reminder these people make 250k+ yearly salaries while you know the answer and make 40 at best
>>746011774A managerial type with common sense is like a unicorn.Why do you think they all need those snappy acronym systems and adore The Art Of War that dispenses direly needed wisdom like "if you don't feed your army it will starve"?
>>745996584>Doing everything possible>Except provide a good storefront that lets you download DRM free games and register game licenses to cryptographic keys so that you don't need accounts and clientslop, meaning that the storefront can actually comply with EU law and easily allow for the resale of used licenses>>746008996Steam solved the issue of no one on PC being able to competently sell videogames without endless accounts, intrusive DRM, launchers and other bullshit. No one was really making a competent transition to digital distribution except for Steam who was willing to take the hit of being an early adopter.Anyone trying to encroach on Steam now is doing so with the intent to replace Steam, which means unsolving everything that Steam solved. Even an exact replica of Steam releasing now would be worse than Steam.No one wants to be just another GOG or Itch that operates on razor thin profit margins whenever it does manage to turn a profit.
>>746012221>he wants NFT game installerskys retard
>>746011984I make 80k as a trucker, but that doesn't feel like that much money anymore.
>>745996584>millionsI feel like that's an understatementthey've poured billions in by now if we include all the exclusivity deals and free games
>>745996584Why is every fucking game in EGS more expensive than in Steam?I would accept their way worse interface and software for better prices but It isn't the case
>>745996584I don't like how Mahmoodposting is becoming a thing on /v/
>>746001207>broadcasting your retarded failure for the rest of the world to seethis some new humiliation ritual?
>>746012530He's shilling a newsletter and the hook is "here's how we did stuff at Amazon and failed"
>makes sure I have access to all games I ever bought on it since almost 2 decades>even when publishers wanted it delisted and gone>functioning and useful offline mode>minimal DRM that can be easily cracked by yourself if you really want to make sure>has a feature to install older versions of games if the devs aren't jews (should be mandatory really)>can share my whole collection with irl bros>sells solid linux hardware and took linux gaming from niche and annoying to just werks>software kinda sucky at times but never fully brokenTell me, what could I possibly gain from spending money somewhere else? Not a single other company is capable of providing me with better service than this, and if they claim to it always, always turns out they were lying and it's not even close.
I hate EGS because whenever I use it, it makes me relogin on the same PC each fucking time and it takes like 5 minutes to login for some reasonsteam pretty much stays logged in fine 95% of the time on my PC and doesn't take that long to relogin anyway
>>746012530this >>746012567Even when trying to appear honest and humbled he's still shilling something. Despicable inhuman creature.
>>746012567>>746012772I see, I would be ashamed of myself if I wasted millions this incompetently but I guess the minds of CEOs just works in myserious ways.
>>746012614you're already using the Internet so why wouldn't you use our platform???? that'll be a $2 million christmas thank you Tim
>>745996584>Epic got so mad at this article that they sent a response saying that actually EGS is doing greatlmao
>>746009238this is pure cope
>>746012937>random gayming journalist write story based on "it came to me in a dream" data>company point out that his "it came to me in a dream" data is false>anon: COMPANY MAD COMPANY COMPANY MADThis is reality, mouth breathing retards defend gayming journalist who wrote fanfic based on nothing but assumption
>>746001207>>746003510He's so corpo-retarded that he doesn't actually understand that Goliath losing is the whole point of the metaphor.
>>746013019>jewish company complains to another jewish company>actually our goy was wrong and the jewish company in question is heckin based and performing very well!>anon: ANON WRONG ANON WRONGThis is reality, mouth breathing retards defend jewish companies who bully other jewish companies based on nothing but future financial prospects
>>746000014>Steam is full of ads.
>>746012908It's someone else's momey, why would they care?
>>746012937their PR department (if they have one) must be tearing their hair out trying to stop these retards from embarrassing themselves like this, this is painful to read.
>attract PC gamersI thought they were trying to attract game publishers.
>>745996584>make the best product>winit really do be that simple
>>746012937That's 14 cents per hour.Those are not good numbers.
>>745996584epic should revamp his store and start producing videogames just like valve did with l4d.cs,portal and dota. instead of forcing a 1 year exclusivity on games released on consoles.gifting games ain't giving you the love from the gamer.
>>746000014It literally uses up 1gb of vram for no reason. It's so bad there's open source alternatives.
>>746012937you know shit is bad when companies start throwing around meaningless metrics like 'gameplay hours'
>>746013387How fucking poor are you if your computer can’t handle steam lol
>>745996584Maybe Epic should've poured millions into building a service instead of paying youtubers and journalists to cry about Steam for as long as the money faucet was on and not a second longer.
>>745996584The biggest reason I hate the Epic Games Store is just how slow it is.You click Steam, wait 2-3 seconds, and boom, you’re in your library. With the Epic Games Store, you have to wait around 20 seconds just for it to open that shitty unintuitive bloated, GUI.
>>745996584>sikandar mahmoodSot shilling your article here
>>746012001>adore The Art Of WarI read it like a month ago and cannot for the life of me see how these people use what is says to any capacity. Its comedic how often this book gets referenced yet nobody that references ever fucking applies it and make all the mistakes the book warns against. Like, you already know 70% of it if you've played a competitive game.
>>745996584come on guys, don't forget about me...
>>745996584What exactly is the conversion rate of a free game claimer into an EGS store spender?
>>746013575>About 0.000...>NO STOP!!! THIS GOY'S REMARKS ABOUT THE EPIC GAMES STORE ARE NOT SUPPORTED BY DATA ANALYSIS OR RELEVANT PUBLIC EVIDENCE
All they had to do is sell games cheaper, but somehow they won't do that.
>>746013710>All the jews had to do was not be greedy, but somehow they won't do that.
>>746011774possibility A: the have enough money, looks, and status to brute force there way in but don't understand what it takes to stay in the market possibility B: Peter Principle on a corporate scale, it's why no one talks about GoG is because they are not trying to compete with steam or become #1, the goal is just to listen to communities reactions to things and react accordingly, The higher ups at Epic seems to just ignore what they are told and just assume the tactics they used in 90s and 00s with games will work here because that's where they found success, damn what others tell them.
>>746013710>Hire a proper UX/UI team>Relaunch with discounted prices>Start from thereThat's all they needed to do but their client to this day is still dogshit. What a mess.
>>746013568Post her pregnant and Ill consider it
>>746013545It's a book that was written for out of touch nobles to teach them the basics.So it works fine for out of touch managers.
>>746013710Publishers set the price, don't they? Plus as I understand it, anyone who sells a game on Steam is under an agreement to not sell it anywhere else for a price that's cheaper than Steam's.
>>745996864Shareholders won't like that
>>746012254>Thinking cryptography automatically equals blockchain shitRetard.
Umm okay can you assholes read the room?Devs are losing their jobs at an unprecedented rate, publishers are folding because of the chief pissbaby divisiveness and here we have a storefront offering a salvation for them and what does the ingrates gamers do?Literally reject them because they're obsessed with their stupid little chud fantasies game, fratboy humor and more
>>746013909Its actually a pretty good read as a lens with which you can view modern conflicts. But yes, as far as I'm aware it was written for one specific drooling retard prince.
>>746013958>He thinks there's any real differenceargue semantics all you want, you want NFT installers, kys retard
>>746013575They won't tell, but assume it's very low.It's why they make so little money. They bring in people with free shit, but people who come for free shit are not customers. Steam was smarter with deep discounts, even someone buying a game at 99% gave you their payment information and is now psychologically attached to their purchase, so they're likely to come back and the bar to buying again is lower.It's also why walmart often sells milk at a loss instead of giving it away. For their bottom line it would make virtually no difference, but you don't want people who just come for free shit.
>>746013928So you're saying Steam is engaging in monopolistic practices?
>>746013928Specifically, they can't sell *steam keys* for less. It's an important distinction because it ties the sale to the ecosystem. You can sell the game whereever you want, for however much you want, but you can't underbid steam while using steam resources.
I remember hating Steam like 20 years ago because it ran like shit (which in retrospect I could blame on the dogshit internet connection I had at the time) but that was 20 years ago. Nowadays Steam runs so unitrusively I still get taken by surprise by the Tuesday maintenance every time. Every other launcher runs like shit currently, except maybe GOGs thing but they might be the only other guys in business who aren't utterly retarded.
>>746013710I remember them doing that. Except they didn't actually ask the devs, they simply lowered the price below steam and made up for the difference out of pocket. Devs got big mad because this destroys their marketing for sales, with external sites tracking the lowest price ever recorded which was now tainted by this artificially low price the devs would never set themselves. That lead to some devs delisting their games on epic because they weren't really making significant money on there anyways.It truly is the valve chad vs the epic games virgin on a corporate scale, life imitates art.
>>746009203Supergiant mainly benefited because the EGS exclusivity period was just for their Early Access period of Hades. Then when they was over, they put out the full release and did their whole release celebration on Steam. A lot of people don't even remember that Hades was EGS exclusive for a while.
>>746013928You can sell it for cheaper anywhere else you please, you can fucking give it away for free (happened quite a lot with Epic), you just can't sell a Steam copy for cheaper than on the storefront itself, which is understandable.
>>746013575That's the error, they took a tactic that works in the real world that can't in a digital space. In the real world offering free items in your store will get purchases because they had to physically drive and get there so they are more invested to actually shop and buy more things because that's less traveling on their part, they were coming to your store anyway for the free item. However, in digital space there is no friction like that, once the apps/storefronts are installed it's less than a few clicks and you can buy twenty Steam gas to then download your free Epic game, there is no sense of "well I'm here anyway I might as well buy [____]" because it's one click to close the Epic store front and one click to open the Steam one. What's really fucking sad is this was all tried before Epic store and it failed miserably, first with EA Origins that was offering free EA title every month but they stop after a year because it wasn't leading to sales for then Xbox to try the very same idea the following which they tossed away because they noticed it was just showing spikes where people would log on, download the free game to log off so they then incorporated free games to the Xbox Gold service because PS model of that was the only thing that seem to be holding customers. But Timmy saw all of this and went "well this time it'll be different!" and tried the same idea but at a far more expensive scale and had the exact same outcomes as EA and MS: lots of downloads and no sales.
>>746014004>Devs are losing their jobs at an unprecedented rate, publishers are folding because of the chief pissbaby divisivenessGood. Let them die so maybe they'll be replaced by people who aren't fucking retards.>Literally reject them because they're obsessed with their stupid little chud fantasies game, fratboy humor and moreStart appealing to "stupid little chud fantasies, fratboy humor and more", and maybe the gamers will actually buy your shit.
>>746014160I have no fucking clue why they didn't do what MS and GoG did where instead of lowering all the store items they just did a reusable "on us" 25% off promo code that had to be put in when you bought anything stops that issue from happening and makes it clear that it's the store buying your game rather than looking at it as the game is cheaper. That's the most mind boggling thing to all this, it's like the teams never look over even the last ten years of game marketing and what was done before.
>>746013710>Steam have price parity policy>Epic is doing workaround with their "voucher" or whatever from their own pocketBlame Gabe for this because Epic literally forced to pay difference from their own pockets, that's hardly good business model.
>>745996584Who cares?I only care about me, not some stupid company.
>>746008996Games I bought on Steam 20 years ago still download, install and play fine today and I'm confident that they will still work in 20 years. What other digital store, gaming or otherwise, has this kind of track record?
>>745996584It's ok, we can give RDR2 for free, that will save the Epic Game Store
>>746014160This sound like using your dominant market position to prevent others from competing fairly on the free market.
>>746014004hmmm nyes i think based*chud dab*
>>746000014sorry meant to saysteam has the leaner client, epic is full of bloat, ads and aids
>>746014530soon GoG will (2008 was there start year) and surprisingly Xbox has, the store front is gone but 360 titles from 2006 still download and play fine on it which is insane when you consider there isn't many active 360s left.
>>745996584Even the epicjeets are kveeling now
>>745996584Steam is very good for game industry. All the beginner devs can release their shovelware on it that the ApprovedGames™platforms wouldnt tolerate. It fosters a spirit of free market that all big companies hate.Also its very transparent about things like player numbers and user reviews, blowing all the shills out of the water when they try to claim some slop of the month has a gorillion players believe me bro.
>>745996584How about they actually try to compete with Steam by providing feature parity at a minimum, and then also drop all the anti-consumer crap such as giving developers bribes in order to stop them from selling on competing stores? Imagine how much bribe money they have paid out and if all that money actually went into improving their store instead. Fucking retards I swear.
>>746014530Rutracker is older
>>746001207Why would someone who put a small fortune into his steam library ever move to something else?
>>746014813The error was the inability to keep them truly exclusive. That was how the PS3 went from being the biggest loser to the #1 in sale by the end of it's life cycle was the aggressive amount of exclusive titles they kept buying which hurt 360 because MS wasn't securing nearly as many which was making the switch very easy.
>>746014930because it costs you nothing and other storefronts might have better features emphasis on might, at this point there's no feature they can invent that can make people give a shit, steam has pretty much everything covered
>>745996584Falseflag shit from 2015 is not gonna make me hate Gaben.
>>746014930This isn't a real argument, like if I buy a game on GOG the games I have on Steam don't disappear. You can buy games on other stores if there's an advantage to it, like in GOG's case the guarantee of being DRM-free and providing installers you can save forever. EGS on the other hand is literally worse in every way and cancerous in how they attempt to force you into their crap store.>>746014982They were unable to keep them exclusive because the market rejected their utterly obscene behavior. You cannot survive on Epic's bribes exclusively if fucking nobody actually buys your game and Epic can't pay bribes forever when nobody actually spends money on their store.
>>746014930>>746015018The bigger issues are gamers are very old any more and playing older titles. Most people under 30 play less than two hours a day of any kind of game, the age demo of dedicated gamers is 35-42, stack on top of that is "forever games" that you are never suppose to leave that ecosystem so why buy new titles from any store front if you are still spending hours a day on that game you bought in 2019? The days of some young teenager burning through a game title over a month to then buy a new one are long gone.
>>746013948They don't even have shareholders. Like Valve, EGS is not publicly traded (except Tencent owning a huge chunk of the quotas)
>>746014982The issue is that if I can't buy a game on Steam I will just "buy" it on my local neighbourhood torrent tracker.
>>746015147>Epic's bribes exclusively if fucking nobody actually buys your game and Epic can't pay bribes forever when nobody actually spends money on their store.That and unlike consoles you don't have much coding work to change it to other storefronts, it's like how a lot of GoG games still have the the Steam and Epic executables in the files, just turned off. A PS3 exclusive wanting to branch out would have to spend time and resources to port over to a 360 or PC.
Even if something better than steam appears no one will use it because all their games are on steam!
>>746015275Bold of you to assume most steam buyers know how to do that.
>>746015343It can happen but it requires more moving parts than just throwing free games and deals at players
>>746015147>Epic's bribes exclusively>check reality>Steam have dozens after dozens after dozens of thousands of exclusive gamesI see, I see
>>746014663I didn't expect that given the fate of GFWL.
>>746015305>it's like how a lot of GoG games still have the the Steam and Epic executables in the files, It's typically for online features as Steam/Epic handles those. It's actually pretty fucking annoying because while the online features DRM either doesn't work (Epic) or has known workarounds (Steam, Spacewar - I am convinced Valve knows, they just don't care), I have to deal with all that instead of just running it on virtual LAN with friends.
>>746014930They won't, that's why you don't get them to "move" but offer something that can co-exist with steam. For example I have no problem opening battle.net launcher to play a blizzard game, it co-exists perfectly fine with my steam library.
>>746003226Tim: Imagine a storefront... BUT WITH RAYTRACING>bunch of execs claps their hands at this stellar idea Tim had>a guy on the back raise a handIs this going to make the user experience better for the customers?Tim: user experience?
>>746015391lmao
>>746015305Yeah, the I'd say the PS360 era is the start of "modern" gaming but back then the PS3 and 360 were still architecturally very different, in-house engines were much more popular and cross-platform 3rd party options weren't as ubiquitous. It was definitely harder to port between the consoles (and PC) then. Nowadays both consoles just use yesteryear's AMD PC parts.>>746015401None of which Valve paid for.
>>746015415agreed but they have surprisingly left it operating.
>>746015401Steam doesn't bribe people to be on their platform. Hell, if Timmy is to be believed Steam fleeces developers like crazy.If a game is exclusive on Steam then it'a because the developers decided to not bother with anyone else. Also, yeah, Epic used to bribe developers to be exclusive on their platform. This isn't even a conspiracy or anything, it's just a fact, they never even hid it from anyone.
>>746015483>None of which Valve paid for.You act like a child. Direct money transfer isn't the only bribe. Think about journalists, studios doesn't pay them for better reviews, they are telling them that they will stop sending them early keys if they won't like review. No money involved and yet all understand that this is all about money - no early key - no early clicks - no revenue.
>>746015456For sure but you couldn't do that with a 360 to a PS3 title and vice versa. That was the core of my point. You can't put a 360 game disc into a PS3 and get it to work even with modding most titles are not built to talk to that different interface, meanwhile Epic to Steam to GoG it's the same PC just with a traffic cone telling you what channel it boots up on.
>>746015606whathow is that relevant
>>746015674It was example of "no money" bribe type of deal.
>>746013568GOG is absent from this comparison because it offers a completely different service.
>>746000014You can technicalily download and play games from steam without ever installing the steam client.
>>746015696And how exactly Steam is "no money" bribing developers?
>>746015769how so?
>>746015606Journos are utterly untrustworthy and at the same time completely unrelated to the discussion, you actually need to pay Valve if you want to put a game on Steam.
>>746013387Just use SteamCLI
>>746014930That's the thing, you don't need to "move to something else". PC storefronts are not environments you are stuck in. It's not like a console that you are stuck in whatever environment they provide.Storefronts like GoG and Itch,io doesn't need you to install their launchers to play games bought on them. Sometimes they have a better product with a better price than steam, so I just buy on them because I don't care where I buy my stuff, I just buy the best I can get at the best price I can get.Epic on the other hand, it's basically a worse Steam on almost every aspect. And the only reason I can see someone installing it is for the free games and nothing else.
>>746015806SteamCLI. Playing is a bit more tricky depending on what part of the steamapi the game takes advantage of.
>>746013568>>746015698right it's like how the masses never really compared Nintendo to Sony and MS during the great console wars because they were so different in operations, you had to dig for retarded shitposting here on 4chan for that to happen which usually just led to the OP getting mocked for it.
If I was Tim Sweeney, instead of EGS I'd invest in mercenary teams to take out Gaben and most of the existing Steam infrastructure, hit Valve HQ in Washington, etc. This is the only realistic way for EGS to dethrone Steam at this point, Syndicate corporate wars style.
EGS - Where games go to dieEGS - The black hole of gamingEGS - Not even better than pirating
>>746015779Ask Gabe
>>745996702That is the proven best method. The biggest threat to Steam to this date was their visual/UI overhaul to make desktop steam coherent with big picture mode. And people got over it pretty fast>>745996864This. GoG is probably the closest to competition Steam has, and they seem to have a pretty good relationship with one another.Corpojeets just can't stop seething
>>745996584>investing millions in exclusivesThat's exactly why I'll never touch the EGS. That's an extremely anti-consumer practice and they do it all the fucking time.
>>745996584You can't fight first mover advantage no matter how shitty the first mover is.Look at discord, same thing. People won't try switching to alternatives even when it starts asking them their fucking ID.Look at windows. Win11 keeps getting worse every update but people won't make the switch to a retard proof distro like cachy.Once the average person gets sucked into an ecosystem they rarely get out of it.
>>746015265Tencent owns nearly half of Epic so Tencents shareholders probably have a big influence on Epic Games
>>746003510>First time I've ever seen someone use a David v Goliath metaphor and not immediately assume the position of the underdog. I have to assume he just didn't know what he was talking about.Are you retarded? Amazon is a massively larger company than Valve. He used the metaphor correctly just not from the point of view most people would want to apply it because succeeding when you're already successful isn't impressive. An executive from Amazon trying to take the position of David would be monumentally tone-deaf.
Epic could have beaten Steam if they did three things right from the start:1. Make the baseline launcher experience not suck.2. Give away old but popular games for free.3. Support Mac/Linux/Windows equally.Then they would have had a chance. Now Steam is even further up ahead while dominating almost every popular niche (VR, cross-platform support, PC handhelds, modding, ...).Had they done the above with 10 years down the road, they would have young adults now with their whole game collection on Epic. But all they got now are the people that play only one game all the time (they don't buy other games on your platform, just skins—did not need a storefront for that) and casuals that grab the free new popular game and don't come back until there is another one.
>>746016080I claim my free EGS games through the browser and if it looks interesting I'll pirate it (I've done this maybe twice)
>>745996584>get free games on Epic>buy the same games on GOG and Steam anyway
>>746014019Private and public keys aren't NFTs.
>>746016428>discordThere were plenty of things before Discord, from basic IMs to teamspeak to hamachi and so on. You're not wrong, but discord isn't the best example, since they managed the very rare feat of proving you wrong on this
>>746016428You are a tard, discord survived because it was way easier to use than it's competition
>>746016428>first mover>discordget off vent or I'll have you bent
>>746016428It's not first mover advantage, it's that they deliberately fuck over people outside of the ecosystem, either by encouraging shit user behavior or by going after opponents legally or financially.
>>745996584Hecking yeah, steamsters. I love monopoly!
>>746016428I've tried discord alternatives and they all suck dick. At best it's "just like discord but more clunky" type of deal. >first moverMe and my friends used multiple chat and call clients before discord. All of them just died. We stayed on discord because it didn't die. It's that simple.
>>746017584>steam is so good and offers so much that no one can even think about how to compete with themwhy exactly am i supposed to be mad about this?
>>746016428>Look at discordWe used Skype back in 2010 or something, then moved on to TeamSpeak since the latency on skype was abysmal.Then we tried Curse, which eventually became just the Twitch client, which eventually fucking died, leaving either a paid subscription service as an option (TeamSpeak), an unreliable and laggy client (Skype), or Discord.also worth to mention>Win11 keeps getting worse every update but people won't make the switch to a retard proof distro like cachy.I was literally going to make the switch by buying a new SSD but the prices couldn't keep getting more retarded by the day. Had I knew about Cachy beforehand I would've made the switch in a heartbeat ffs.
>>746016428>Pisscord>first moverkys retarded zoomie faggot
at this point it's obvious what the epic games exit strategy was. It was never meant to compete with steam. I still think it might work out for them
>>745996702>I'll buy a bigger yach.>and I'll be happy.
I've never understood /v/'s Gabe and Steam worship.
>>746020464I personally don't give a fuck about Gabe, I just really, really, really fucking hate Tim.
>>746016789Goliath dies unceremoniously to a divine warrior my guywhy would you ever liken yourself to that? just use a different metaphor
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Behold my latest creation, free tf2 hats, I mean fortnite skins if you buy on my store!>So can we trade and sell skins like tf2?LolLmao
>>746020875You can't trade skins in fortnite
it tired to be a solution to a problem that didn't existif valve had a shitty customer service and routinely did crap that pissed off its users, that would be one thing.but there is no issue with Steam, or at least none that isn't inherently tied to the way the platform works and thus also instantly mirrored by any competitor.why would anyone abandon Steam and use EGS over it?
>>746001207I'm wondering if they have any numbers on the overlap between people who watch video game streams, and people who buy video games to a relevant degree.I am not entirely convinced that the overlap is as big as they seem to have assumed.
>>746020593This
>>746020605>why would you ever liken yourself to that?because they fucked up, and he's openly admitting to it.
>>746014663Akshually the Xbox Store respect your OG Xbox purchases as well if they are backward compatible though I'm not sure you could buy full games there.The issue is really that Xbox is just a few years (TOPS) away from a massive crash where the entire ecosystem will implode. That is when both users and companies will face the reality aka there will be absolutely no reason for MS to keep the Xbox backend running. Ultimately this is a huge issue nobody talks about. Unless you buy games on GOG the moment your platform collapses for any reason you lost everything.
>>746008996>Then there is no chance for anyone else to enter that market unless the market undergoes over some unforeseen fundamental change.Even more than that - there's not only no chance, there is simply no need.
>>745998578He strikes me as one of them retarded libertarians who are surprised when companies do shady shit
>>746011774because those managers have a completely different mindset.they don't care about the fine details of the projects, only about it getting done. and they will put their effort into exerting pressure to make it happen.for realistic projects, this is an mindset that has a good chance of success, which will earn you the reputation as the guy who gets shit done when it succeeds. you pull ahead of people who tend to maybe overthink their approaches a bit too much, you simply deliver faster than them.luck out often enough in a row (in the sense that all your projects are realistic, despite you never investigating if they are), and you'll make it to the top.but it's just a numbers game and eventually you'll end up with a project that is not realistic, where the base assumptions are wrong, and then you get dumpstered by that mindset because you are not capable of figuring out why it's not working, all you know how to do is exert more and more pressure onto the teams to try and make it happen anyway.
>I don't see howretard alert. they can literally just improve the massively clunky and slow launcher for starters. when it's so bad and bare bones you can only improve.
>>746001207yea surely I will switch platforms to a publicly owned company that has an inferior productyou have to think about it these people earn 100s of thousands to millions and couldn't be bothered to invest money into good market researchare they this retarded?
>>746013545most people are pretty retarded. even people who are supposedly intelligent.back when I still worked in academia, we regularly had workshops with experts who'd provide us with wisdom like>when you hit a writer's block, take a step back and think about what you even want to writeand then I'd look around and half of the audience was nodding and taking notes. and those were all postgrads, professors and so on.I think most people just go through life mostly on autopilot. some just have a very capable autopilot so they make it very far despite never really questioning anything or thinking too hard about it.
>>746023306That's the funniest part about all of this, it used to be just slightly less clunky when they initially released it and then actually somehow have it even worse
>>746015018>because it costs you nothingnothing financially, but it costs me convenience. now I have two different libraries I need to switch between.that might seem very minor, but for a business that is entirely centered around convenience (which is why it's a digital storefront), that's a huge negative.you'll have experienced that often enough in games, where you get a pop up that doesn't really do anything (like a confirmation window before buying something from the ingame merchant), but you have to click it away anyway, and it really starts to get on your fucking nerves quickly.it's only a single button press every few minutes, but it significantly worsens the experience.having to switch between Steam and EGS depending on which game I want to play is similar.
>>746009336what anime is this? I haven't seen a sharingan outside of Naruto
>>746012937I mean, 400 million is 400 million, but I doubt that this is even 10% of what Steam made
>>746023918>what anime is this?ReZero
>>746008996>Even if a better competitor would arise It's a shame we still have not had a single better alternative to test this theory.
>>746014530>and I'm confident that they will still work in 20 yearsThis is something I worry about. Gaben won't live forever. Steam isn't public (thank fucking god) I really hope he has a plan for when he retires.
>>746000014>Steam is full of adsgenuinely wtf did he mean by this
>>746013568>don't forget about me...I won't! You have full Gnu/Linux and Tendie support from us. WE hate rent cucks. WE love ownership and WE hate DRM.But one good thing about this old /v/alve fart it, that he helps to destroy the total winjeet domination on the desktop.
>>745996584Why would I ever leave steam? It's not a ubisoft, blizzard, bethesda situation where putting up with years of shitty products/practices made it easy to look for other companies to support. Off the top of my head>digital library with cloud saves I can download/install/uninstall quickly anytime>steam wishlist and steam sales>can even use grey markets for cheap steam keys and redeem easily>insanely useful refund window that always goes through>steam workshop just werks>screenshot function and controller support just werks>useful steam playercounts, reviews, and steam sale history charts>all my friends are on it, multiplayer support just werks, easy to invite people to in game lobbiesI have quite literally never had a bad experience because of steam
>>746003910>FUCK the customers, you take whatever we throw on your plateyeah, not a good strat.
>>746013397Meaningless to them, because they can only think until next fiscal reportI like my 1200h RPG rerun lunacies, so any 20h FOTM action slopper simply isn't going to sell to me before its $5. GL milking my wallet when it was another 200 mio+ 8 year dev time megalomania project they "needed" to succeed
>>746024692>retrieving your installed library after changing the OS can be a bitch and take a few restarts>fucking updates and devs being bitches about not hooking prior game versions in (not steams problem, and gog gets treated even worse by some devs) >featurebloat, I didn't ask for a damn music player, stickermarket and shit. Kind of forgivable since it turned they tried to build a steamOS but I'd still like a 1st party de-bloated minimal client option Nothing's perfect, I can live with those nags
>>745996584No reason to support either company, they're both evil
>>746002972Holy fucking shit Timmy finally learned?
>>746026530Yep there's definitely bloat. When I explore the UI I see some shit like "news", "badges", "market", "broadcasts". No clue what those are but at the end of the day that's fine since none of them are imposed on me.
>>745996584timmy gives gamers the ick
>>746024084Hopefully son or whoever inherits is smart and rich enough to say "Fuck off kike, if I wanted an island vacation I'd buy my own"
>>746000014thats true. steam uses close to a gig of ram now for no reason at all. only a couple years ago it used like 50mb
>>746020464I don't have much of an issue with Steam I guess. Valve used to make decent games and gave great support to modders within the community. Valve doesn't seem to give much support anymore though, and their games being so focused on esports and microtransactions/lootboxes is disappointing.
I really miss steam skins.I don't know why they couldn't let us keep them. You always see the filthy jeet and kike shills whinge on about linux and other pointless shit but they NEVER mention how we lost skin functionality for the application overnight.
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>>746027939let me guess totally not a leekget?
>>746028005>b4k is downfug
>>746012614Steam should make it mandatory to display the engine on the store page and let you blacklist those you do not likeBye bye unreal
>>746028215That is actually a good idea.luv me some UE4, but fuck UE5
>>746023298I guess it boils down to the fact that making such a store is basically a failure in the first place that won't become profitable for a while and needs constant attention and course-correction, good word of mouth and reputation. But that's exactly what these managers don't want to hear. They need to make a store no matter what and cut as many corners as possible to make profit as soon as possible, thus leading the project to all the wrong places.
>>746015606>Make a product>Sell it inside the clean store where the customers go>For some reason, the store whose aisles are covered in shit and who sells nothing because nobody gives a fuck about them, cry "monopoly" just because you don't want to waste your time doing business with them
>>746009035Anyone who says this braindead, it couldn't be further from the truth.
>>746028846at this point, I don't think any approach really has a chance of success because there's simply no need for a competitor.Steam does the job well enough, has proven itself to be reliable and does nothing to antagonize its customers.Another store front would not even really introduce competition and lower the prices because the competition is not between the store fronts, but between the companies or individuals trying to sell their games, since there are way more games coming out than you could ever hope to play in multiple lifetimes.
>>745996584I remember back when steam was just what you used not some huge consumer giant.... it's kind of creepy that happened. Creepiest thing ever actually and I want it to stop because it just seems like people don't fucking understand what steam is at all. It's just a carrier, be cool nigger, my god.
>>746009035where is my console port of Stellaris? GoH? Arma3?If you eat console action slop, do not be surprised it reeks like that main audience
>>746000014>Epic has the leaner client. the fuck are you talking about? it installs like 2GB of shit just for the launcher.1.42GB C:\Games\Epic Games\Launcher747mb C:\Program Files (x86)\Epic Games245mb msi file in C:\Windows\Installer
>>746009035PC still gets loads of games that can only work on PC. If you think otherwise it says far more about what you're choosing to play.
>>746030063Gaben, if you read us:I want a "kb/m vs. controller time spend in games" stat in the replay if possible.
I have simple question: is chink game Dawn Dew on Epic Game store? It was really cute small turn based combat i keep returning to steam for games like that. Cute simple games i play for couple days. I dont even need to pirate anything because this is really all i want to play.
>>746015265Most of Epics shareholders are privately owned companies.
>>746032636Publicly owned*I'm going to bed
Is that why Timmy keeps having meltdowns on Xtwitter?
>>746015601>This isn't even a conspiracy or anything, it's just a fact, they never even hid it from anyoneThey outright bragged about it.
>>746016865It's really funny because whenever a game is free on Epic, it causes a big spike in sales for the Steam version. Epic is just literally free advertisement for Steam at this point.
>>746032819the ironic thing about it is that epic sued google for making exclusivity deals like epic does and won
>>746032731It's because he constantly gets raped by Apple.>Apple and the EU come to an agreement for new App Store terms after years of negotiations>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE THIS ISN'T FAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Steam is shit now, people only still use it because Steamdrones are cultist
>>746020762I don't understand why they don't just give up. It didn't work and they will never understand why. Move on
>>746033674steam has only gotten better and more feature richnot to mention they're actually trying to improve the industry as a whole now
>>746033674steam has gotten better, valve has gotten worse
/v/ has been seething about Epic daily for like 6 years now.>>746034054>Steam has gotten more bloat and runs worse than ever'Thanks? I don't care about social media bullshit
>>746033674Valve made me a Linux shill. I'm so thankful that Gabe is going all in on Linux.
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>>746034135>le bloatnigger if you cared about it you'd be on linux
>>746034479I play vidya, I don't use Linux
>>746034135>seething about Epiclaughing*
>>746034479Linux might be less bloated but it's also much more likely prone to issues if you're mainly interested in playing Windows games.
>>746034512>Doesn't like steam>Doesn't like linuxWhat's left then? Probably not GOG, I call Winjeet + Pirate.
>>746034512>i play mmr skinnerboxes with kernel level spywarethanks for admitting your talk about bloat is purely performative
i challenge you to browse epic store or ea or ubisoft stores and to tell me it feels like shopping for a game
>>746034612it feels like shopping for a game in a smooth, seamless environment
>>746034583>you have to use steam or you won't be able to play all my f2p chink lootbox games!!Oh no, I'm missing out!
>>745998578>AHHHHH THE EVIL CORPO I BACKED IS ACTUALLY EVIL!!!! AHHHHHH!
>>745996584I've given Humble and GOG plenty of money for offering things I wanted without too much friction. Epic launcher is actively unpleasant to use, Timmy's statements are repulsive and made me feel dirty so I never gave them a cent and the consolewar shilling here only further solidified my decision. It's really not a high bar but they go out of their way to not clear it.
>>746034701>in a smooth, seamless environmentvery organic choice of words
>>745996584here's what EPIC should do. or really anyone that wants to challenge Steam:allow for a way to sync your game library from steam to whatever you haveso if someone has a steam library with Skyrim on it and you have Skyrim on your platform. you just give them the game on your platform if they prove ownership of the Steam accountthen get really slutty on prices. people will migrate over to get the cheaper games and their steam library will follow them and will have little reason to return to Steam
>>745996584They need to do the same as GoG and let the game be yours, without DRM crap. It's the only way
>>746035223Steam doesn't even allow people to sell games at cheaper prices outside Steam, why would Valve allow gamers to sync their games across multiple libraries?
>>746035430Where did you take that lie from?
>>746035430Steam wouldn't allow ityou would just prove to Epic that you own the steam account then Epic would simply give you all the games that they have on their platform to your Epic account
>>746035223I wondered a long time ago why nobody trying to compete with Steam was doing that. I also thought about using Epic when they were giving away better free games but I didn't want to feel like I was being forced to use it more than I really wanted to. If they just had a better selection of free games available at any time compared to Steam then more people would probably naturally use it. People trying to compete so hard with Steam don't seem to understand they end up making things feel more complicated rather than simpler and that's just not going to attract a lot of people.
>>746001207What they don't understand is that Steam essentially is what baby boomers thought car dealerships would be. A customer facing marketplace meant to work for the customer while curtailing the broader industry from shady tactics. All these other companies are acting like current car dealerships that work WITH the industry to screw over customers
>>746035515From legal documents and mouths of devs who tried to do that. Without a shadow of doubt Valve doesn't allow you to offer better deals elsewhere while selling at Steam. Making it impossible for other stores to compete with Steam. Anons can laugh and make fun of other store fronts but it's really that simple. Valve is abusing their dominant position to intentionally kill competition. It is not their business if a dev wants to sell a game for 1 dollar at a store and 100 dollars at steam. Maybe EU boomers will realize this and so something about it 50 years later KEKAlso There is a myth going around that price parity thing only applies to keys. That's an actual lie parroted by retarded steam bros.>>746035556And Valve bans the devs that engage in such practice with epic anyway because they can do it.Was that your brilliant plan?
>>746035903>tried to do thatDo what exactly? I'm asking you to post a source on whatever you are talking about because I know you're a lying idiot who will be unable to do so, even funnier when it's trivial to find games that are cheaper elsewhere because there's no such rule with Steam. You are a blatantly lying faggot that only makes the store you shill for look even worse.
>>746035769they would probably need insane licensing agreements with all their publisherssomething like:"we reserve the right to give your game away for free to users who submit proof of ownership on other platforms"the publishers wouldn't stand to gain anything from such an agreement. I'm sure they could convince a bunch of indie studios to do it but studios like Ubisoft would sooner walk barefoot through broken glass before letting that fly>>746035903I'm pretty sure some devs already offer their game cheaper off steam then on. as well as ways to get free steam keys if they bought using their platform
>>746035903>Without a shadow of doubt Valve doesn't allow you to offer better deals elsewhere while selling at Steam. Making it impossible for other stores to compete with Steam.That's the only way to compete with Steam? That seems dishonest.>It is not their business if a dev wants to sell a game for 1 dollar at a store and 100 dollars at steam.It is, because Steam offers a lot for the $100 fee you have to pay to get your game on there. Steam would probably increase that fee by a lot if people were allowed to do what you say because then they would actually be charging for all those services.These are poor complaints about Steam just being in the dominant position and acting like that's not fair when they haven't really done anything abusive or to create a monopoly like people claim.
>>746036050have you been living under the rock?https://www.patreon.com/thehatedone/posts/episode-228-more-112882245
>>746036337>These are poor complaints about Steam just being in the dominant position and acting like that's not fair when they haven't really done anything abusive or to create a monopoly like people claim.clueless idiot lmaohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r0a7-qyjsshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4UpE0iBSIY>inb4 I refuse to get educated through short youtube videos with cold hard proofs!copeit's all there shove it up your ass
>>746036636>can't make an argument>just posts 25 minutes of youtube videos>ad hominem despite being civilReally convinced me there, buttmuncher. You just seem like you're seething for personal reasons and unreasonable so nobody is going to care what you say.
>>746036418>wolfire claimsTheir fake claims were narrowed to keys only btw, the suit wouldn't pass otherwise. All Wolfire had was some supposed email convo with Valve but they never actually removed any game over that.
>>746036793i posted proofs you posted lies with nothing to back you upi won
>>746000014Can't wait for Tim's paychecks to dry up so we can stop seeing you retarded shills spout obvious bullshit every single day.
>>746036843You won dick. Posting 25 minutes of YouTube videos while insulting someone who wasn't insulting you just makes you look spastic.
>>746036636>Valve is ripping off gamers>Because they prevent their users from getting ripped off by game publishers who want to make Steam prices higher to milk the Steam user base You're a clown.
>>746037105If you personally email Valve about selling your games cheaper elsewhere they'll throw a generic "keeping it fair to Steam customers" line arguing that you shouldn't, but there's no actual price parity clause anywhere in the steamworks contracts nor have I heard of them anything any action over it. In fact there's a shitload of cheaper indie games on itch for example.
>>746037045You don't care about truth bitch. You care about fitting in with your circlejerk group and conforming the "truth" trademark fed to you by your overlords like a fucking woman. I don't give a shit about your feelings especially when fucking simping over a corporation that would literally kill you for 2 bucks if they could. And at the first sight of a real discussion over truth with cold hard proofs and sources you just duck and run. You are what's wrong with everything in world. Kill yourself.>>746037105Clueless retard with 0 empathy skills unable to see the bigger picture.
>>746037281>but there's no actual price parity clause anywhere in the steamworks contractsthat's what they're getting sued for because they don't have it in the contract but they've tried to enforce it
>>746037419>3rd world ESL vagueposting nonsenseJust say you're making an indie game and want to milk the Steam user base harder than your weird homegrown Indian competing storefront. At least then I'd understand where you're coming from.
>>745998578he would never erect a paywall around another company's game like metro 3
>>746037419>simping over a corporationI criticize Valve and Steam all the time. Your arguments are just emotional and don't make sense. You actively want Steam to hurt itself to benefit others and that's just nonsensical. You must have an ulterior motive like so many other people trying to make these arguments.
>>746037662Valve is treated like they are messiah, this precious saint we owe everything to despite being one of the most cutthroat corporations out there.
>>746037774>cutthroat Lmao. Protecting their users isn't "cutthroat" that's basic business acumen. Happy consumers = lifelong consumers, even if other companies seem to disregard this to make their quarterly numbers.
>>746037774Yes, the Gabe/Valve/Steam literal worship has always been strange and I never took part in that despite playing Valve games since almost the beginning. It's better for people to remain critical of things. Claiming that the only way to compete with Steam is price manipulation and acting like that's moral and Steam is a big meany doodoo for not allowing that and then having a meltdown when called out on being a retard is just hilarious though.
>>746037915That's actually harming me. Valve is denying me cheaper options by intimidating devs and publishers.How is not having cheaper options good for me?
>>746037953Anon, they are store. Their primary competing points are: Is that thing availabe there? Is that thing cheaper than other places?With steam's illegal price parity practice they'll always have edge with their monopoly position. In a better world this would be broken instantly by govs.
>>746038180>>746038005If you want your 3rd world indie game to not have price parity on steam, then just don't offer it in their marketplace. Valve doesn't want you abusing their customers, so they're not letting you.
>>746038180Then the game just won't be on Steam. They don't *have* to let you sell it on their marketplace, unless your magic pretend government can make them do that too.
>>746038392Will you explain how denying gamers cheaper alternatives help them in any way?>>746038429Then why doesn't valve publicly disclose this? Why do they lie about this price parity practice? Is it even legal? I don't think so.
>>746038180It seems that Steam's price parity rule only applies to Steam keys. You could for example put your game on Steam for $50 and sell it on another platform for $40, but you couldn't list it on Steam for $50 and then sell Steam keys separately for $40 which essentially sidesteps Valve and takes away their cut of profit. I think you'd have a hard time finding a government who would be against Steam in that situation.Even when Epic claimed to only be taking a 12% profit compared to Steam's 30%, it didn't seem to actually result in lower prices. If your only argument is that you want a bigger share of profits then I can understand being frustrated with that but it doesn't mean Steam is inherently doing something wrong.
>>746038581>It seems that Steam's price parity rule only applies to Steam keys.Wrong.Didn't read rest
>>746038562the developers and publishers are denying it, retardsteam is just protecting itself from abusing their storefront
>>746038562>Will you explain how denying gamers cheaper alternatives help them in any way?Sure. If you want to sell your Indian vampire survivors clone for $15, then you can sell it for $15 on steam and your gay knockoff storefront. If you want to sell it for $15 on your steam clone and $25 on steam then you can fuck off and just not list it on steam.
>>746038645Great, because you probably can't cope with being proven wrong. The same games were listed on Steam and Epic. Epic claimed to only take 12% profit, Steam took 30%. Yet, the price remained the same on both platforms and it's not because Steam was forcing that. Valve being the cause of higher prices is just bullshit that Tim Sweeney claimed when trying to get more people onto Epic and it didn't result in any benefits for customers on Epic.
Piracy is superior to any DRM option including Steam, because that is what steam is, DRM
>>746038671Wrong. We have too many proof to deny that Valve is the one enforcing price parity with threats of game ban. And again, it's not protecting me, they are directly working against my interests by denying me cheaper games.
>>746038883valve isn't forcing you to sell a game on steampublishers and developers want to so they obey the rulesif they want a steam competitor so bad they could just make itno one has to accommodate for your brainless seethe
>VALVE DOESNT DO PRICE PARTIYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4UpE0iBSIYvalve sisters, don't watch the video
Eventually, your EGS account will be worth more than your steam account, with all the free games you've claimed. Then you'll start making purchases on the EGS over Steam to keep all your games in the same place.
>>746038719>If you want to sell it for $15 on your steam clone and $25 on steam then you can fuck off and just not list it on steam.You can actually do this if you want. You just can't sell Steam keys for less than the game is sold for on Steam because that's simply sidestepping Valve taking their cut of profit. Valve doesn't care what price you sell games for on other storefronts as long as it doesn't involve actual Steam keys.
>>746038878piracy is also how you ensure that the industry goes back to consoles
>>746039034retardthe only reason games were exclusive to consoles for a while was because of architecturenow that everything is x86 PC games will stay
>>746012908>CEOs>>746013240>It's someone else's momey>>746023298>managers>>746028846>what these managers don't want to hearownersdoes the general own the army or the head of state elected by the people? CEOs are there to execute not to give ideasCEOs are the patsies if you will
>>746038562Because it's not necessary. I work in an industry where the big dogs pay pennies on the dollar compared to what my store does, something I know because I ran the big dog's biggest store, and they can sell numerous products for less than it costs me to purchase them. Big stores have big leverage, this is how it has worked for the entire history of commerce, since price fixing always refers to how much you can sell things for, not how little. That being said, this is all elementary since Steam typically only does it for the sale of Steam keys, and they are perfectly justified in doing so since it's their platform.
>>746038979that channel is full of clickbait
>>746013387>open source alternativesTell me how to run steam games without this cumbersome malware.
>>746039104>games will stay>when i'm arguing for piracy
>>746038979Who's the cute clown babe?
>>746039108They are hiding it for PR and legal reasons you idiot. They are paying fucking lawyers and psychologists and all sorts of people to make decisions about this apparently you a random nobody knows better than all of them. Maybe apply to Valve for a job.>>746039153Can you counter anything in video? 1 thing?
>>746039329why should anyone take you seriously when you outsource your shit to a youtube video?
>>746039248it used to cost devs time / money to port to PCnow it doesn't cost anything. it works on PC almost automatically therefore it's always worth it to release to PC even if there's piracy happeningalso you're pretending like there wasn't console piracy back in the day
Take a selfie in front of an oncoming train, jeet. You'll farm more Izzat from that instead of arguing in circles over not being able to scam people on Steam.
>>746039329>Can you counter anything in video? 1 thing?Yes.
>>746039391It's a very good video.
>>746008996You're correct, but it's also the case that Steam simply is better. In other words:>A userbase who's been using steam for 15+ years and won't want to switch to a new launcher>In addition to the point above, people's entire gaming libraries are connected to their Steam Library, and it's annoying to have a divided up library across multiple launchers. Personally, I've literally bought games for a higher price just to keep it on Steam because I don't like opening Epic or Battle net for anything except for Fortnite or Overwatch (games I do not play anymore anyways)>Steam has user profiles, a community market, discussion forums, guides, a mod workshop for games that support it, and user reviews>Steam has regular big sales that mog Epic's free game of the monthThe only problems I have with Steam is browsing the store front for niche titles because it always pushes the most popular shit at the forefront. But /v/ threads make up for that.
>>746039513it's a very shit video considering you're just linking it instead of quoting it
>>746016428>DiscordSkype and Team Speak existed before that and they both FUCKING SUCKED. I know we give Discord troons a lot of shit, but there's a reason why Discord fucking won over everything else
>>746039329Hiding what, that they have a soft policy where you can't use their own platform to undercut them and/or rip off people that buy through the client? What monsters. Do you have a single reason why they should let anyone do that?
>>746039818>Do you have a single reason why they should let anyone do that?Number one, that's terror.
Reminder price parity only really affects gamers. You pay more while publishers and Gabe Jewell get their full share regardless of where you buy it.Thanks and have fun goyim.
>>746009035literally the opposite of the truth. Big box retail killed everything on PC but AAA console ports or boiled down whole genres to a single bloated flagship title like Civilization and only digital storefronts and Amazon resuscitated them.
>>746039943>publishers get their full shareso they don't change the price they charge?isn't that the narrative you spergs want to create to cry about steam?
>>746039881You wanna finish that thought, or did you think it was a shocking enough accusation on its own?
>>746039943>Gabe Jewell get their full share regardless of where you buy it.Gabe gets his full share even if I buy something that's not on Steam? How does he manage to do that?
>>746040131Number two, that's terror.
>>746040125They can't reduce the price on other stores to be less than Steam or they get the boot. And the gamer has to pay high prices regardless of where they shop. Imagine something like Amazon pulling that shit.
>>746040404Mind showing me cases of that happening and where that's written in the contract?
>>746016215Steams newest UI that dropped windows 7 is shit because its webshit ram hog. The BEST game launcher will always be the one where it simply takes my money, installs my game, and then when I double click the game on the desktop, it loads the game and not the launcher. I can load the launcher myself if I want to update my single player drm free games.
>>746040404>They can't reduce the price on other stores to be less than SteamProof? Everything I can find says it's only related to Steam keys needing to be sold for the same price. Game devs have said they would sell the game on other storefronts for a lower price if that storefront gave a higher share of profit. I haven't seen any devs saying they were forced to sell at the same price on Steam. And no I'm not watching your longass video trying to find proof, give an exact time of where proof for this is shown.
>>746040517Contract says Valve can do anything for any reason.
>>746040612They can, now show them actually doing what you're accusing them of doing.
>>746023162Yeah pretty muchAnd they're all usually fucking autistic or some shit.
>>746040660You want me to spoonfed constantly or will you learn to eat your own dish and click some of the links I sent you?
>>746040727I want you to even slightly substantiate your babble.
>>746015475>*wrrrrrRRRRRRRRRRRR*
I know this is ancient history, but Steam got a lot of loyalty from PC gamers for a reason.Epic famously left PC development for Consoles in the mid-2000s and declared PC gamers all pirates. That obviously blew up into a shit storm and probably color some of what's happening now.
>>746016215>This. GoG is probably the closest to competition Steam has, and they seem to have a pretty good relationship with one anotherThisGoG lets me buy a game, drop that sumbitch into Steam, and use Steam input for controller support and remapping.That alone means Epic will never compete.Steam is functionally useful as a tool, while the Epic launcher is a piece of shit that I resent any time I've had to touch it. Free isn't good enough, I should get paid for my suffering every time I have to look at it.
>>746040404>They can't reduce the price on other stores to be less than SteamLiterally every developer does this though. If Valve actually has a rule for this they're clearly not enforcing it.
>>746040612Saying you want games to be sold at the same price is one thing, actually kicking a game off Steam for selling it separately for a lower price elsewhere is entirely different.Sweeney said that games on Epic would be cheaper because they take less profit from each sale, but the games were sold at the same price. No game dev said it was because Steam forced them to do it. They just wanted more money for themselves, which is understandable. But the claim that Steam is the one preventing lower game prices is shown to be false by real world examples.
>>746040404Listen kid, Amazon fucks people way harder than that. Retail has a concept called keystone pricing, meaning sale price is double whatever wholesale is, or a 100% markup. This is normal, everyday shit and it means that the retailer gets 50% of the final sale price, already higher than Steam's egregious, hateful 30%. Amazon is the biggest retailer on the planet, they do not get normal terms and retailers are lucky to sniff 30% of the final sale price, but they take it because the reach is so monumental that losing 40% of the revenue is better than losing the visibility and sales.
>>746015863I have hundreds of free epic games but have only played like five of them. I was so annoyed at how shit their store is that I re purchased mechwarrior on GOG just to avoid that awful launcher. You can't even fucking see which dlc you own on epic
These threads are really funny to meIt all boils down to console peasant vs PC master race mentality. >but muh parity muh monopoly YOU LOST MONEY DON'T YOU CARENo I don't. I can and do pirate my shit if I want to. I simply compare the service steam offers for their price vs. getting it for free myself. If the game updates often, it might be easier to pay for it than to go manually track down those releases. If the game is niche enough, it might not have a recent release at all, and I'd have to play an older version. If I want to support the dev with some money, and most importantly push the game in the steam algorithm, then I'll buy it. Through steam. Because no one cares about ebin games and I'm not supporting that shit with a single cent.
>>746040895the funny thing is World of Warcraft likely contributed to that mid-2000s slump in pc games. It sucked the air out of the platform.
>>746001101Show me steam small mode, you cant, -no-browser was removed a few years ago.
>>746008753Because of this i never downloaded EGS.They tried to buy their way in with exclusive deals and fucking everyone over, obligating people to download that shit store that barely manage to work(to this day still doesn't have basic features that steam had since 2009)And when that didn't work Timmy tried the "we care about developers" arc, trying to force Valve into signing worse deals in order to make steam a worse plataform over the timeAND when that didn't worked either, they went to funding games, which is also not working because no one buys games on EGS, Alan Woke 2 flopped and Project: Robot will flop as well.
>>746040404To be fair even games that went Epic exclusive rarely dropped the price, hell one of first $70 games on PC was Epic exclusive.
>>746002297>>746002509
>>746001207JUST HAVE BETTER SERVICE YOU FUCKING RETARDS ITS THAT SIMPLE
>>746013440>>746015832>>746039157I'm talking about the Ebin Launcher
the funniest shit about all this is that the one guy trying to force this is actually a deranged anti-steam tendie hiding behind the guise of being an epic shill, because apparently being an epicfag is more desirable than being a tendie
>>746042915someone has been seething hard about half life recently across multiple boards too
>>746001207>Corporation thinks they can use money to brute force what a rival has had to gradually build over two decades, including winning the trust of a consumer base who initially welcomed your service like a branding iron to the balls.Western companies don't actually know how to make anything. All they can do is coast off established IP and the hard work of their predecessors.
>>746042808Then why does steam consume 1gb of vram for no reason?
>>746001207twitch wouldn't let me recover my old account after their third-party 2FA service broke, since I used it previously to move my number over for something else. for some reason, this didn't sync to twitchfor some reason, twitch thought I was still using the old phone number, and the migration tool would not work because it was already done. they said the details I gave them about my account were wrong and refused to fix the issue. even though I'd be signed in on my phone (I just wasn't able to change any major account credentials or sign in elsewhere) and see all the shit that they said was wrong. they repeated this after I pointed it out and they just closed the ticket.I'd rather not have game subscriptions under the purview of these fucking clowns. they can stick to jannying the bathtub streamers
>>746040913>but what about this indie game that sold 5 copiesName 1 major game
people who use twitch dont play gamesthey watch people play gamesvery diffrent
>>746043196I was making that claim about the epic launcher, and I think it's because it was some preloading bug that was loading every store asset and image into vram or something, I don't know if it's fixed by now.
>>7460432461 in every 10 multiplayer gamer stream their games for some reasoni sometimes watch their twitch to watch myself play video games
>>746043540wierdo
>becomes the symbol of reason and integrity among a sea of ignorant noiseAqua sama, my beloved. We don't deserve you.
>>745996864>creating a good product and providing a good serviceWhich is what consoles do and which is why consoles mog PC storefronts
>>746044108did*
>>746044229*do
>>746044381Tick tock consolebaggie.
It isn't even a rivalry and it never was.This has been the inevitable outcome from the beginning. If Fortnite didn't exist, the Epic Store would be another forgotten pile of shit like Games for Windows Live, Prime Gaming, the Origin launcher and that kind of trash.If Timmy didn't have the backing of Tencent he'd already be out of the running. He's a tiny snack to the Valve titan.
>>745996584Don't worry, they'll sue Steam and demand Steam include the epic launcher or some shit.
>>746044541
>>746044901good luck pulling the stuff i have in external drives, lmao
>>746044901do you want to get into licensing terms?what consoles forbid are outright steam's features
Every thread is the same, snoys vs pc vegans vs tendies... I feel sorry for xcucks, but still why is everyone so wrong?
>>746026873>newsusually where the patch notes end up if the dev doesn't use the actual patch notes button.>badgesbullshit bloat. created an entire market for the shitty digital trading cards.>marketreal money for virtual items, a concept I've abhored for over 20 years now. but I do make some spare change throwing my tf2 crates on there.>broadcastsstreamers. not sure why gaben wanted this, but I doubt many steam users did.
>>746045235>do you want to get into licensing terms?Steam DRM cuck trying to shit on consolefags, how original, you are not better btw, not in the slightest.
>>746045419stay seething, your delusional worldview is why pc gaming failed so hard to require steam to save it
>>746037281>>746037524That in fact boils down to you can sell your game anywhere, but if you want to include steam keys IE use our service to distribute the game without paying us for it, the price has to be the same as the price on steam.
>>746044979Why would I take your games?
>>746045235>do you want to get into licensing terms?Let's do it>what consoles forbid are outright steam's features*PCs features.
>>746044901>can make infinite backups>can play offline>can mod the exe to work without the launcherI own my Steam games more than someone who owns a cartridge copy of a SNES game. Once those connectors corrode, it's done. One tiny fizzle of a circuit on internal board and you'll never play it again. Then you will be forced to play digital only. Like me.
>>746045634so, you admit they're mine then
>>746045693>*PCs features.lmao that's copesteam could easily be more locked down like consoles but it's not
>>746038756Games are cheaper on EGS, in the past they used recurring coupons during sales and now they offer cashback instead. There is no reason to make sales complicated like this other than the enforced price parity. You've ousted yourself as a retard who doesn't know dogshit about the subject right after you wrote "it seems".
>>74601401>>746014019Holy shit you're retarded
>>746046178>there's no reason to assume epic is retardedlol
I noticed the usual anti-steam spam slowed down massively. Did the autists spamming this shit finally move on?
>>746046253concession accepted sikandar mahmood
>>746046178>There is no reason to make sales complicated like this other than the enforced price parity.if you have confirmation bias, sure. plenty of other stores engage in coupons and store credit too, it has nothing to do with price parity.
>>746046402tencent's money started drying up so they stopped being able to afford to pay for the "organically disrupting steam" part of their plan.
>>746045525>gaben saves le gaymingwhy are jeetroons like this?
>>746046447yeah retard, epic is a wellspring of good business ideas
>>746046447only a jew approaches an argument like a contest to be won, and deploys stratagems to *win* while undermining the whole pointmeaning, your victory means jackshit in reality
>>746038756>Valve being the cause of higher prices is just bullshit that Tim Sweeney claimed when trying to get more people onto Epic and it didn't result in any benefits for customers on Epic.and at the end of the day, some retards are still trying to claim that reducing costs will lead to lower prices. there's also a bit of mindgame at play, where a 40$ game might be seen as "lesser", but that's just retarded marketers, I feel.
>>746046507i genuinely hope this isn't your pic because bitching about steam drm while using steamos is peak hypocrisyand yes, considering consoles pushed out pc physical out of stores
>>746046594>loses argument>heh, only jews care about winning a debate anywaygood for you sikandar
>>746046402That or if it was a group they most likely broke up from infighting so they no longer spam these threads
>>746043234Sure. Here's RE4Rhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/2050650/Resident_Evil_4/40 bucks on Steam.https://us.gamesplanet.com/game/resident-evil-4-steam-key--5974-19 bucks on GP, an official seller.
>>746046862>>746046507>>746046447reminder that you lost the jeet argument last time and coped about it
>>746046862yeah you don't have to be jewish to be retarded. but you think spamming youtube links and insulting people makes you "win" something lol
>>746046862it wasnt mebut, what did you win, anon?did you convince anon of your point? did you convince anyone of your point?the answer is no
>>746046798>i genuinely hope this isn't your pic because bitching about steam drm while using steamos is peak hypocrisyI genuinely have more respect for tendies and snoys, than so called "PCMR" faggots, hating on consoles (yes they are shit), while sucking a DRM cock, this is peak hypocrisy. Steam is a DRM cuckstore, why is this so hard to accept? True freedom comes with GOG, Itch or piracy, as well as dumping your old console games (or owning them on disc/cartridge).
>>746004578It's funny and also true, which takes it up a notch. Bam!
>>746047529you sound like a complete poser
>>746047529steam is a service so good that you've resorted to bitching about a 1mb stub that can be easily subverted because you're mad it doesn't serve your schizo use case out of the box
>>746045839Yup your games are perfectly preserved and not owned.
>>746045861>but it's notBecause it's a PC storefront.
>>746047897and? remember starforce? securom? gfwl?they could easily be thatbut you're buttmad at the prospect of giving steam any points
>>746047815The only good thing about Steam is their work on WINE/Proton/FEX, helping people to leave Winjeet. But a shitty console in 2026 still provides better ownership, than Steam. I just play my online games on Steam, that's it.
>>746046798Using Proton and other useful Valve products while still shitting on Valve for spreading DRM cancer is based unlike paying for temporary licenses and shilling it for free.
>>746048136Show you copying and modifying the files of that console software you supposedly own.
>>746048034The open nature of PCs allows you to easily steal and modify PC storefront files. Steam isn't giving you these benefits, PC is.
>>746048220Thank you, anon. I don't hate steam, I use it... I'm just tired of retards pretending to be morally superior to console plebs, while deepthroating the DRM cock.
>>745996584In the over decade and a half that I've used Steam, I've never had a single problem with it and many people are like me. That's why EGS will never win.
>>746048136>le ownershipit always comes down to poorfags thinking that reselling locked down licenses linked to extremely heavy handed drm is ownershipisn't that funny
>>746048357>Steam isn't giving you these benefits, PC is.Truth, fucking, nuke./thread
>>746048357you literally think like a nigger
>>746048402Idk why anons obsess over reselling so hard when at best you recoup maybe 5% of the cost. And 99.99% of the time "reselling" amounted to gamestop trade ins where 20 games gets you 10$ in store credit.
>>746046907>steam key>retard>game sold for 7.49 dollars at steam store itself several times>giga retardshow me a game that's sold at steam at 40 bucks and 30 bucks elsewhereshow me a game that gets 75% sale at a store but only 50% sale at steamyou can't because they don't exist because VALVE FORCES PIRACE PARITYget it in your skull
>>746048357and that open nature has been maintained by valve keeping their drm weakit could be 100x worseyou're too stupid to understand this apparently
>>746048373Steam's just convenient. That's why console is superior - if you want freedom you can pirate, if you want convenience, steam is relatively non-intrusive. Consoles are so limited that I can't imagine playing on them in an era where, even if you wanted to play shitty modern games, most of them can be acquired one way or another on PC anyways.
>>746048232/soc/ is the other way, saar.
>>746048505>PIRACE PARITYwtf how did that price turn into pirace
>>746048505>PIRACE PARITYVALVE FORCES PIRACY?
>>746048505>game sold for 7.49 dollars at steam store itself several timesNo it hasn't. Why lie when we can check it so easily?
>DRM is an accepted thing nowadays>people even won't buy games because it doesn't have a certain drmHow did we stoop this low?
Steam's DRM is entirely opt in why are faggots foaming at the mouth about it when the devs are the ones choosing to include it?
>>746048717>what is regional pricing
>>746048891I don't care about your third world pricing, I'm talking about the first world.
>>746048869You still need a Steam emulator in some cases, but yes, there are DRM free games and Steams DRM is really weak, so at least that is something. I don't even care about reselling, I just want to keep my favorite games forever and luckily the PC as a platform offers the freedom to get your shit.
>>746048928What do you want to talk about? That key store you linked has 75% sale because steam store also sold it for that much several times already. What are you trying to prove here? Your ignorance?
>>746048869steam is so good that retards need to invent first world problemsit's like feminists, don't look at your haves, just hyperfocus minor have nots
Are they still releasing the free games? I haven't been monitoring for a while.
>>746048869Bullshit. Steamies are anti freedom as proven by their intense hatred towards piracy. You don't see this anti piracy behavior in /a/ for example. They would laugh you out like the redditor you are for not torrenting. Not /v/ viral marketing board tho. Too many shills here.
>>746049010You made the claim that developers are not allowed to price games cheaper than Steam. I proved that wrong, now you're trying to move the goalposts with these arbitrary restrictions. Is the game cheaper or not? Yes? Then you were wrong you stupid faggot, shut the fuck up.
>>746049159feel free to pirate all you want, retardjust curb your destructive nigger ego that goes along with it
>>746049159Why are you making shit up in your head to get mad about?
>>746049202>I proved that wrongyou didn't prove shit wrong you braindead idiotthat shitty store didn't sell anything cheaper than steam store as I provedbeing a retard and abandoning all reasoning is not an own
>>746049082Yeah, it's one of the few things they did that actually had a positive impact.Unfortunately they are mostly no name games that most people don't care about.
I love these threads. They are always the same.>anon posts "i hate steam because (inane reason)>immediately several anons reply to that post with stuff like "yes fellow anonymoose, i too think epic is much better" or "steam is a weird cult amirite?"It's hilarious and we get these threads much more often too now for some reason.
>>746048869>Steam's DRM is entirely opt inExcept the real DRM of Steam is having to download it on Steam. Steamworks is so flaccid as DRM. There's a reason Valve has never made any attempt to improve it, because they don't care because that was never the true DRM.
>>746049023>steam is so good that retards need to invent first world problemsIt's basically first world problems, but SOME people want to truly own their shit, I know most people don't care, they view games as an experience, like a movie you watch with your netflix sub, but I really appreciate game devs handing out DRM free installers, that you can keep forever or a game fully on disc/cartridge, that you can (hopefully) back up and play on an emulator in the future.
>>745996584Years of being in the market and adapting to the stuff that is happening (willingly or forcefully) made Steam into a platform that can be mostly trusted...along with GOG. EGS however is not. For obvious reasons. And even if they fix it it's already too late for first impressions matter. Even Steam in its earliest days when it turned into a store wasn't bad compared to EGS's debut.>>745998578>That tweetSays the guy who poached games that were supposed to appear on Steam originally in order to force gamers to migrate.
>>746049349So true xisterbtw don't pirate video games, buy it from steam so gabe can ruin video games more and buy yachts
>>746048520>you should like valve because it's DRM doesn't fuck you over too hardok cuck
>>746012451It isn't in the UK, it's quite often cheaper on EGS, especially during sales.
>>746049294Nobody cares about pricing in your Indian shithole, faggot. You can pick any Capcom game in their entire library and not a single one of them has the cheapest price being on Steam. You're such a retard its disgusting.
>>746049349It's mostly just from console warriors
>fuck I've ran out of talking points>uhhhh uhhhh>*throws dart at board*>STEAMIES ARE ANTI-PIRACY!!!
>>746049495>indian boogeyman out of nowheredone
>>745996584It's simple.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tsHkpesBdY
>>746049487yes, you should curb your mental illnesssteam has prevented microsoft from controlling the pc ecosystem and in turn are even weakening their own control by supporting linuxyou're such a spoiled bitch that you want to tear down a dam that prevented your house from being flooded just because one of the employees disagreed with you
>>746049487Steam had to build its store in a market where everyone abandoned the platform for consoles because of 'muh piracy'. A GoG type storefront of no DRM whatsoever would have killed the entire store in its infancy as not a single dev would bother with that back in 2008.
>>746049883Steam killed pc gaming you utter fucking cretin not save itHow many times we have to tell you this?All PC CLASSICS PREDATE STEAM POPULARITY BOOM>MUUH WINDOWS WINDOWS MICROSOFTgabe jewell and his buddy who founded their jewish corp is from fucking MICROSOFTkys jew
>>746046402The shills stopped getting paid, so they stopped doing what they were paid for. Epic's whole strategy is to put all the money that could have gone into making a good product into the marketing department to try and buy good will. It doesn't work, but "keep throwing money at it" is all uncreative suits know.
>>746050063Why are you larping as if you were there? PC was dead as fuck and any PC game section of a store was just shit for WOW.
>>746049883>>746050029>you MUST accept DRM chastity cage because it could be 6 gorillion times worse in my imaginary scenariook cucks
>>746050029>everyone abandonedIndeed anon? Is that why we got kino after kino, classic after classic? Oh the horror. Thanks Gabe nigger for saving us from such tragedy.
>>746050063>vintage games i like predate steamdo you think this is an argument?
>>746048468Your attack on my character is noted
>>746050158>imaginary scenariothis is like niggers thinking that if whitey never came to africa they'd be living in wakandazero self awareness
>>746050169>console ports = pc gamingdo you think this is an argument?>>746050157why are you larping? we all know you are a ball and gun gamer at best.
>>746041887Small mode and no browser are two different things.
>>746048520Actually I'm smarter than you and it isn't close.
>>746050250you do know that all the indies are fucking born on steam now, right?that's what your definition of classics is, ancient fucking indies that you likedyou're pretending an opinion is a fact now, that's how nonexistent your argument is
>>746049159based
steamies think stores are the future lmaoThe metaverse is the future, one game that can play any kind of game like Roblox but with unreal engine and AI you can make your own game and make money from itValve know they are done cause they are investing more into super yachts than they are investing in gaming
>>746050371>you do know that all the indies are fucking born on steam now, right?it's confirmedyou are actually larping
>>746050323you're tech illiterate and don't understand how easy it would be for valve to rewrite their platform to require encryptions and security checks if they wanted to, just like consoles
Why are there so many people who like to suck corporate dick?
>>746050451it's confirmedyou're so retarded you think an opinion is an argumenti'm going to offer you another chance, reread >>746049883 and write a post that doesn't hinge on appealing to your opinion as if it were gospelyou can do it if you try
>>746050157>any PC game section of a store was just shit for WOWAnd those stores are now full of PC games thanks to valve right? Because you just implied a diminished retail offering was PC dying so now PC is saved and shelves are full of PC games now right?
>>746050459>if they wanted to>ifYeah, but they don't want to though so what's the problem?
>>746050459What would be wrong with that?
>>746050371>all the indies are fucking born on steam nowItch.io says hello.
>>746050234>steam nigger enslaved by jewell copes by thinking it could be way worse without his masteryou can't make this shit up lmao
>>746050523>Why are there so many people who like to suck corporate dick?I don't know, but I remember being like retards ITT, I also defended Steam and praised it, shat on every other store, but in the end it's just the same, that sucks less in some aspects, but is much worse in other aspects.I just wonder why /v/ is so mentally cucked out of all places, but what ever... there are also many console cuck phone posters.
>>746050614yeah, they don'tthat's good and it debunks this retard's cope where he believes you should discard pc advantages>>746050670are you stupid enough to not understand why vendor lock in and extremely limiting drm is bad?
>>746000653>Open Steam>Gets a popup window about games on sale>storefront has ads?
>>746050459correct, that's why only retards would put any money into that cuckbox
>>746050597This probably sounded smarter in your head but you failed to account for PCfags actually owning their own hardware. We can control what we do with the files unlike on console. By this logic GoG is equally as guilty as Steam for not having physical DRM free dvds sold in stores.
>>746015769You'll get banned and probably make mustard gas. Don't do it, anon.
>>746050371>indies are fucking born on steam now, right?He doesn't know anything about indie culture
>>746050745>low iq nigger that only thinks about destroying shit thinks pc gaming would be better under microsoftyou can't make this up lmao
>>746050968>PC users didn't own their hardware prior to SteamHuh?
>>746000014i stopped playing even their free games because every time i wanted to play freebie on EGS i had to w8 3 minutes for it to launch. (probably less desu, maybe 1 min but it felt like it was minimum 5 min every time.) I gave up on playing EGS games more times than i can count, bought 2 on steam and pirated few other. Threw out every launcher because they are all laggy shit compared to steam. Not sure about GOG launcher tho. PS. When Gaben dies i'll probably have to return to full pirate because whatever faggot takes after Gaben will fuck me and unlike Gaben will give nothing in return.
>>746050980>>746050709name one indie that got big because it was on itch
>>746050158lmfao, trvke
>>746000014>Steam is full of bloat and ads.Yes that is very true saar steam very much bloated saar please redeem the needful epic client saar.
>>746050826You'll have to explain to me why vendor lock in is good when Valve does it
>>746051025The internet was too shit to facilitate just sending files directly from one computer to another back in the day retardbro.
>>746051054Pokemon Gamma Emerald and my Femboy Roommate
>>746027056Just clear your cache, set it to small mode, and restart your PC, it'll go from 500MB to like 30-60.
>>746051120>vendor lock in is good when Valve does itbut valve doesn't do itat no point are you forced to only use steam on your hardware. they don't block software you can install
>>746051069>Winjeet>Light mode>Chromium wrapper store>32bit version ngmi
>>746051130>Valve invented downloading gamesHuh?
>>746050989>low iq nigger licks jewells boots nonstop because of delusion that ballmersoft would otherwise take over pc gaming when they couldn't even break into smartphone marketyou can't make this up lmao
>>746051287Wait a minute are you telling me there's a dark mode for task manager?
>>746051229You don't need to use steam at all since you can just pirate from steam. Did you not know this?
>>746051313>microsoft couldn't control the market they had near 100% marketshare onyour valve derangement syndrome clouds your judgement
>>746051339Yes, is that winjeet 10 or 11?
>>746051376did you? i never claimed you have tothat's what a lack of vendor lock in is
>>74605144110, I'm never downgrading to 11, I don't even upbloat my OS.
>>746051524holy based, but I hope you are in the EU for the extended security updates, otherwise please switch to Win10 LTSC and sorry, I don't think there is dark mode for 10. This is new-ish in 11, 25h2.
>>746051505Then why are you giving PC storefronts money and shilling PC storefronts?
>>746051293How are you not following the logic here?>consumer grade PCs become a thing>people make games for them>problem: internet sucks, can't send large files efficiently>solution: put the files on a disk >internet gets better>no need for disks anymore>turns out PC is an open platform where users control their files>disks go the way of the dinosaur for the platformPeople get uppity at consoles ditching disks because console manufacturers are scumfuck bastards. People know their greed and know physical is the only way to guarantee ownership. This is because, unlike PC, a console is a locked down box you can't fuck with without risking your 500$ box being remotely bricked by the manufacturer. PCfags don't care about physical because we control the files. Steam can't ping your PC to remote delete a game you bought and installed, a console can. And if Steam ever tried to ransom your games like a console then other stores would immediately step in to swoop up all those disgruntled customers. Again unlike consoles where only the console manufacturer controls what gets sold on it and for how much.
>>746051610I don't care about security updates. I also rawdog darkweb sites daily for years, nothing ever happens.
>>746051639because i want to see games being made for pc?are you fucking stupid?
>>746051437is the microsoft storefront with 99% marketshare in the room with us right now?
>>746051817windows you fucking faggotlook up what windows S mode is
>>746051732Does this logic not apply to other platforms? Just Valve?
>>746051890why would i want to go anywhere else?valve is currently advancing the platform as a whole with linux support and is the only one with an actual plan for the future
I just read this whole thread, I hate the /v/ mentality so much, why are people like this? Why are people cucks and brand worshipers? What the fuck happened? I feel like I'm some mentally advanced chad, free from those DRM chains, yes we all use Steam, but god damn are you really that mentally ill? Or am I the weird one for switching to Gnu/Linux and becoming increasingly more suspicious and hating on DRM shit?
>>746023045>there is simply no needYou don't know that. You assume this is the best you can get for your money when it is simply never true because competition leads to innovation.
>>746051660>PCfags don't carePCfag here. We care. It's just the PC vegans who don't care because they aren't consumers. If they were consumers they would be in favor of pro consumer choices such as providing the option of ownership rights to your consumers
>>746051978>why would i want to go anywhere elseSo your logic only applies to you and nobody else? Is that even logic, or just an opinion?
>>746052346why the fuck are you veering off topic and being an armchair psychologist?
>>746052301>If they were consumers they would be in favor of pro consumer choices such as providing the option of ownership rights to your consumersGoG is right there tho? Nobody is forcing you to use steam.
>>746052198it's a storefront m8there's not much to innovate, it could just be a bit faster
>>746052301>PCfag here. We care. It's just the PC vegansyou're not fooling anyone, you tendie poorfagonly consoleniggers obsess over ownership as if it ever meant anything beyond being so poor you need to sell games
>>746051880Windows shit mode would flop even without steam retard. Windows Store sucks, Metro apps suck, EdgeHTML sucks, nobody uses the store even for downloading programs. Microsoft can't make anything good after Windows 7 and it's sad if you bootlick valve only because of microflop boogeyman.
>>746052483GoG doesn't provide ownership either
>>746052301PCfag#2 here, I also care. But even if valve goes down, I really don't care, because I have my favorite games already backed up.
>>746052682How sure are you that I don't own multiple PCs?
>>746052784>it would flopyeah, people said the same about windows 10and what happened?people now cling to it because 11 is worsethe key here is not having any fucking choice, retardand if not for valve fighting it you wouldn't have any choice
>>746052932>GoG doesn't provide ownership eitherIt does, at least in the way I care. I can burn installers on CD and copy them on my USB stick and go to my brothers room and install it on his computer, go back to my room and play it as well. And even if gog dies, I will still have the installer. Good luck trying to do that on Steam without goldberg emu
>>746053064because you admitted to being so poor you only have xp machinesyou're poor and retarded, shut the fuck up
>>746052993What does that have to do with ownership?
>>746053187>What does that have to do with ownership?I don't know
>>746053163I'll keep speaking, thanks for the offer however, fanboy.
>>746051978>only one with an actual plan for the futureLMAO what plan, they plan to be a yacht company not a gaming one
>>746053152That's preservation, not ownership.
>>746053321fex? proton? linux support? not going fucking broke like gog or epic will?valve's plan is to make all games available anywhere and to liberate people away from microsoft, sony, nintendo, apple and android and forcing them to get raped in the open market
>>746053359transferability of a license doesn't have anything to do with playing games
>>746053461>fex? proton? linux support? not going fucking brokelmao all these nothings and they barely even do anything to progress these. consumer PC parts are going away and you won't be able to build a linux PC in the futureValve are DONE, they are pivoting to underwater research as thats their main focus, all they do for gaming now is do nothing and maintain the store till its gone
