What even is the cutoff for retro games?Previous gen? Are PS4 games retro? Is there a specific amount of years, like 20+ years is retro?Does Assassin's Creed 1 qualify as retro?
>>746002717Dreamcast. Zooms need to get a new name for consoles post Dreamcast.
Retro is a feeling.Games have stagnated graphics and tech wise since the ps360 gen so no, games from that era aren't retro. In fact
>>746002717Dreamcast, retro isn't a measurement it's a period. The other 6th gen consoles are not retro but I'm happy to use the opportunity to promote Xbox and PS2 games.
>>746002717PS2, GC, and Xbox aren't retro.
no amount of seething from geriatric millennials will change the fact that the seventh gen is retroyou're old and dying, accept it. time stops for no one. actually go and play some of those games and realize just how different they are to what's being released now
>>746002717I've noticed an ever growing amount of these female gamer girls showing up on youtube and they seemingly all have these black pilled takes and love playing retro games and act like they're not like the other girls. So is this a new thing, since shit like Instagram is slowly dying, or are there actually based gamer girls out there?
>want to get real hardware>consoles and games are expensive enough but if you want a tv it costs like $300 because I guess they dont just make dumb tvs>if you want to use your monitor you have to create a factorio base setting up audio extractors, audio splitters, and hdmi splitters
>>746003361>go and play some of those games and realize just how different they are to what's being released nowwow, they're so much better! No wonder younger generations are so gay and brown
>>746002717>What even is the cutoff for retro games?From what I've seen there's two thoughts:-"*Shifting vintage" where everything 20 years away from current year is considered retro. I know /a/ follows this ruleset as nostalgia threads can now include early 00's anime. In this case the ps2 would be considered vintage. -Tech-filtered: retro is anything ?64 bit? or lower, so think ps1, n64, dreamcast, etc.. *I would argue, personally, that anything past the ps2 (so xbox 360, ps3) can never be "retro" due to stagnating art design and plateauing tech gains. Everything looks the fucking same after a certain point.
We are 21 years from the release of the Xbox 360. When the Xbox 360 released the NES was only 15 years old.Anyone claiming up through 7th gen is not 'retro' is coping because they are old.
>>746003554it's not about how old it is, you were born after 9/11 so your opinion is worthless
>>746003379the people who actually play and enjoy these games wouldn't make a video with a "look at me, im a based girl who likes old games" thumbnail and make a big deal out of playing older games
>>746003598>you were born after 9/11I wish. 360 is retro. It didn't even ship with an HDMI port.
>>746002717Anything post PS1 is not retro, retro doesn't mean "old console" it means archaic game design that's outdated and game design was solved in the 6th generation already
>>746002717ps3/xbox360 is the current cutoff
>>746002717she's cute
>>746003554Nothing about game design has fundamentally changed since the Xbox 360 they're still making the same games with better graphics today.
>>746003660>I wishLmfao, fuck off zoomer
>>746003747The consoles themselves are retro hardware. It has 512MB of unified RAM. Not even 1GB to share between the GPU and CPU.
>>7460037477th gen didn't have>mtx>always online/live service>bloated open worlds being the norm>woke shit>RPG mechanics in every game>unoptimized UE5 slopit was the golden age of gaming, much different than what we have now
>>746003747ah yes, all those 360 games with battle passes and gachas
>>746003813>make false assumption>realize you're wrong>throw petulant tantrumAbout what I expected from you.
Ac1 is like the bedrock of modern sp games so i would say no. 2007 is like the start of modern gaming imo.
Why are post 9/11 zoomers so eager to say the PS3 is retro? Is it because they never experienced real videogame progress in their lifetimes or something? Keep in mind these subhumans grew up on Minecraft
>>746003849>bloated open worlds being the normIt's the gen that started themAC2GTA IVOblivionSkyrimFallout 3/NV
>>746003554When Super Ghouls n' Ghosts (1991) was included in Capcom Generations 2 (1999) it was considered a retro game. Anything on N64 was considered retro when the Gamecube was out.
>>746004034and the fifth gen is the gen that started true 3d, but no one says those aren't retro because the initial implementation was so rough that it's a completely different beast from how it is now
>>746004034those are literally all classics, just compare it to the shit we have in this gen and you'll see the difference
>>746002717any reason you're so obsessed with this woman?
>>746004113she cute
show us her bf
I'm 35, ps3 will be retro in a couple years. Look at launch images from oblivion on PS3 lmao. Look at the specs. If you built a pc with specs of the ps3 you'd call that PC retro.
>>746003379They are desperate for unc-ock.
>>746002717New generations are rejecting every form of media made after the period which we started allowing too many women into development and creation.This proves that older games made primarily by men were indeed better and aren't just enjoyed by old people out of nostalgia.Women really do ruin everything and should never be allowed into any work environment aside from nursing or something like that.
>>746004034I feel like Oblivion is retro since it looks like shit, but unmodded skyrim look modern
>>746003730>cute>short black hair>plae white skin>no demonically long finger nails>basically no makeupShe's honestly drop dead gorgeous. A shame.
>>746004290nope because a PC isn't retro. some of the games are from the period that is considered retro
>Kingdom Hearts and two horror gamesYep, it's girl core.
>>746002717buy an ad
>>746002717shes beautiful
I'm willing to accept ps3 is retro. Maybe those last 2 or three years were modern but you just go back and it felt like you went back know what I'm saying?
>>746004605asian girls are better on average, but when there's a white girl who just knocks it out of the park like this, no chink/nip could ever compete.
The issue with ps3/xbox360 is that the generations were too long and the transition from retro to modern happened in the middle of the generation.Early ps3 and xbox360 games still had the old JRPG and Japanese games focus like dead rising blue dragon last odyssey etc.But persona 5 is clearly a modern game.My personal cut off is 2007, but I could understand 2009 as well.
>>746002717if it's old enough to be remake like demon's souls and black flag then it's retro
>>746005515>asian girls are better on average
We really need to come up with a new term for different eras.
>>746002717>What even is the cutoff for retro games?Gen 6 is the very latest you can consider games "retro" and even then people could rightly argue that there's sort of a split in gen 6 where it goes from "Retro" to "Modern" and adopts many modern practices we see today so not even the entire gen is "Retro". "Retro" in video gaming is not age-based but a grouping of how games were designed, the ethos behind their designs, their scope, and many other things that denote that a game is or isn't part of that camp. It sets expectations that can be applied pretty easily and broadly.Gen 6 is the era when games transitioned from experimental to standardized. Controllers started having standardized control schemes with thumbsticks and positions, Nintendo being the only outlier. Control schemes became pretty much interchangeable instead of not knowing if the menu button was going to be on triangle/X, start, or select, and began incorporating thumbsticks into controlling the camera regularly but it wasn't commonplace yet. The lives system was done away with and antiquated. "Arcade" gaming had become its own genre rather than the norm.It's the gen where each genre had had enough to become established enough that developers were starting to use other games as inspiration regularly instead of just going to the Wizardry well over and over again. We only really saw Roguelikes/lites, Metroidvanias, Friendslop, and Soulslikes become established as major genres since then and it's been like 20 years now yet only those have really become natural.It's when visual upgrades went from being major affairs to more minor affairs. The difference between a PS1 and PS2 game is far greater than a PS2 and PS3 game for example, the primary difference is now in scope. In 50 years the difference between a PS3 and PS5 is still going to seem more or less inconsequential.Most importantly it's when the internet became a major part of everything leading to patches and DLC influencing design.
>>746007492Retro really just means "before woke trannies, women, and homos flooded development"
>>746004034They're open world but they're not bloated, aside from maybe Skyrim and its copy pasted dungeons.You could fit the entirely of Fallout 3 and NV's world in a single modern game like Cyberpunk.
>>746007052The problem is that there's no major differences between games made in gen 7 and games made now. A game made early on the 360 is still more or less the same as games coming out tomorrow or the day after that.Games made on the Odyssey are at their core still recognizable in concept to games made early on in gen 6 due to their arcade nature and score attacks whereas you wouldn't say gen 7 onward is really notable for anything designed like that. Games like that are specifically pushed towards the "Arcade" genre because of how antiquated the "Lives" and "Score" systems are. At best character action games use score systems but that's the only major thing outside of what, SHMUPs, and SMHUPs are just arcade games at the end of the day.This isn't like TV and movie industry where you see very clear transitions from Silent to B&W to Colored to Modern television due to technological and directorial advancements. They have very distinguishable characteristics that make them what they are.Silent films are based much more on exaggerated movements and visual establishing shots or punchlines due to not having any way to convey sound.B&Ws are when they start to take themselves more seriously and develop much more standardized practices because they can now express themselves more but still lean on Silent Era film techniques until Citizen Kane sort of shook things up.Colored is when directors start using things like the rule of thirds, color, and modern advancements in sound to express themselves even further and do more elaborate visual gags, and Citizen Kane's influence on the industry leads to new filming practices becoming adopted.Modern is when directors could now start substituting computer generated visuals and modern technology like drones to have shots that weren't possible before for more grandiose ideas.Gaming doesn't really have these delineations, it's really just pre-arcade design and post-arcade design. At best you can argue pre and post 3d.
>>746002717>uh achtually the beatles and stevie wonder are classical music now
>>746003379all these girls have boyfriends / husbands who are actually the ones into the hobby and running the channel and make the girl the face of the channel, it's guaranteed views / cash right now
>Don't recommend channeleasy fix
>>746008075classic rock stations play nirvana and pearl jam
>>746002717If you asked this question on /vr/, you'd get banned.But the truth is that consoles with in-built 3D accelerators are NOT retro. If you think the game on the right is the odd one out in this comparison, you are retarded. PS1 is NOT retro.
>>746010923PS1 games still follow the vast majority of the conventions of games before it unlike PS2 onward.
>>746002717>20+ years is retroYes. You will have a bunch of faggots claiming that "retro" has nothing to do with age, but they're wrong. Words get their meaning from convention, meaning the way people use a word dictates what it means, a sort of silent agreement that this particular sound means this particular thing. When people say "retro" they mean old shit, so that's what retro means.
>>746011417>PS1 games still follow the vast majority of the conventions of games before itWat. 3D literally introduced a new dimension to games. How many of the best-selling PS1 games had limited continues?
>>746011640>Lives.>Score attacks.>No set control scheme because no one knew what worked and did nothing but experiment.>Control schemes like tank controls in general.>Lack of easy camera control.>Experimentation in ways we don't do now because we know it doesn't work.>Punishment through difficulty in general compared to later on where developers eased way up.>Tutorialization through gameplay rather than through text prompts or boxes.>Compartmentalized level structures because they're unable to expand in scope due to hardware limitations at the time.You're focusing on just the arcade aspect when it's a lot of things happening all at once. Gen 7 onward is when all of this either becomes standardized, falls by the wayside, or becomes irrelevant. There is a very clear shift in casualization, handholding, and standardization that happens around late gen 6 to early gen 7 that isn't present prior to it. Children's games and shovelware are great examples of this as even they didn't hold the kids' hands much unless it was literal edutainment whereas nowadays Paw Patrol or Bluey are basically impossible to lose in.
>>746002717I genuinely hate whores like this because you know she was the type to bully people for liking videogames in school. Fuck normies and keep them out.
>>746003554yeah 360 is definitely retro.Didn't even have a gigabyte of VRAM.
>>746011554To bolster your point, the word retro simply means previous.
>>746011976>she was the type to bully people for liking videogames in school.this never happened
>>746006868Why do these dummies cut their hair? Mem looked cuter with long hair too
>>746011907>LivesNo more present than nowadays.>Score attacksIn what, shmups?>No set control schemeSame with 6th gen, because Call of Duty 4 hadn't come out yet.>Control schemes like tank controls in generalModern games with vehicles, such as tanks, still have tank controls>Experimentation in ways we don't do know because we know it doesn't workIt does work, though, because these games were generally more fun>Punishment through difficulty in general compared to later on where developers eased way upHow many of the best-selling PS1 and N64 games are harder than Elden Ring?>Tutorialization through gameplay rather than through text prompts or boxest.has never played FF8>Compartmentalized level structures because they're unable to expand in scope due to hardware limitations at the timeNot every modern game is open world. It's largely a dead trend.
>>746007052I've advocated /ng/- nostalgic games for years. The zoomies can have their gears of war discussion or whatever and retro as a style is preserved. Plus anyone who lurks can be a /ng/er.
>>746002821This, PS2 is retro because things have changed meaningfully (for the worse) since then. PS360 will never be retro unless something unexpected happens
>>746002717gen 6 is the cutoff pointeverything going on in gaming today is just gen 7 extended>more corpo fuckery>more nickle and diming through cutting content>games stop being passion projects made by nerds and have become multimillion dollar productions>season passes have evolved into battlepasses>freemium scourge has fully infected 60$ releases >Nintendo still winning by releasing a underpowered system
This shit is why we told the /vr/ mods we wanted /v2k/. We told them this for years. Then they made a thread announcing their plans to add 6th gen to /vr/, and asked for feedback. Everyone's feedback was to that we just wanted /v2k/. 6 years later we still do not have a /v2k/ board.
>>746012341/vr/ sucks. I used to post there in 2015/16 and a handful of schizos would brigade my posts as "Australia-kun" just because I made fun of Super Castlevania Bros. (IV).
>>746012420Fuck off, Auster.
>>746012480Jej
>>746012480I literally haven't posted on /vr/ in a decade and you're still jumping at my shadow over there. I check the archive and every day you guys are still crying about me.
>>746002717>retro purists would rather kill themselves then admit a 20 yr old game console is retro
>>7460027179/11 was the end of the retro era and the mark of the beginning of the kali yuga
>Retro is like a feelingNah it's just 2 generations removed from childhood of the current young adult generation. 5 more years and PS4/XBONE will be retro. Miloomers are unc.
>>746008165this
>>746012636Is this the girl who was posting JOI/ASMR shit on an all ages Patreon?
>>746012341/vr/ used to be better but the morons who can't compete in being funny or clever just shit it up for attention these days.
>>746002717I saw you in my recommended and I didn't click. Fuck you bitch
>>746012243>No more present than nowadays.It was far more prevalent. Nowadays you have to go to 3D platformers to really have it be present.>In what, shmups?THPS series and its knockoffs like the BMX one, Cool Boarders, most survival horror games, MGS to a degree, modern (at the time) takes on classic titles like Frogger or Pitfall, Pepsiman, the Jumping Flash series, Silhouette Mirage, just stuff like that.>Same with 6th gen, because Call of Duty 4 hadn't come out yet.Yes, I myself am arguing that part of gen 6 was one foot in retro gaming and one foot in modern gaming. You still had developers chasing the older designs of being less lenient on the player like you can see in R&C1, Jak's entire series, or something like A Nightmare Before Christmas but then you get other easier things as time goes on like Sonic Unleashed or you can even compare stuff like the early THPS games to things like Underground.>still have tank controlsWhich isn't the point. Tank controls were prominent back in the day as a main form or playing games all the way into the PS2 era. Onimusha is one simple example as is Silent Hill. The only games that really have this control scheme anymore are Fatal Frame or nostalgiabait games like Tortured Souls. It's fairly rare because it was discarded as a bad control scheme.>It does workYou're not getting it. This isn't an argument on if it does or doesn't work, the fact remains that developers are not experimenting on the scale they used to because releasing games like this outside of an indie scenario is not justifiable anymore due to the cost. Getting something equivalent to LSD, Chulip, Pepsiman, or Bonk's Adventure is rare.>t.has never played FF8Yeah, and for every one FF8 you had fifty throwing you into the deep end.>How many of the best-selling PS1 and N64 games are harder than Elden Ring?Why is every argument you have pointing towards one example when we're talking about the environment as a whole?
For me it's ninomae ina'nis
>>746012840>most survival horror gamesWhat>the environment as a whole?Modern games are more mechanically difficult than retro games
>>746012636ayy lmao
>>746013016>WhatYou'd typically be judged based on items used, saves, heals, and then awarded a ranking based on points at the end. Sometimes it was just rankings, sometimes it was points, but the end result was more or less the same of trying to get the highest rank. Though you could argue this isn't exactly the same concept I guess since it's not literally high score chasing but rather rank chasing.>Modern games are more mechanically difficult than retro gamesIt doesn't matter. I don't know how much simpler to make this for you. Playing a game like Metroid and Metroid Dread is not the same experience in any sense of the word. If you die in Metroid Dread you can literally reset the room. If you die in Metroid you get set back to 30 energy and the start of the game and are told to go grind.Zelda 1 enemies deal 2-4 hearts per hit at times, unless you are running around BotW with no armor on at all the only things hitting you for that are very specific endgame enemies like Gold variants and Lynels, not normal mobs you have to clear 3-5 of to get through a single room that respawn.Hell, just compare King's Field to Demon's Souls, ignoring the genre difference. King's Field is brutal compared to how lenient Demon's Souls is.Even in terms of one generation just look at Morrowind vs. Oblivion. You went from being unable to hit a Mudcrab and softlocking yourself if you messed up your character creator to being a master of everything.
>>746012771Not that I know of.
>>746013316>You'd typically be judged based on items used, saves, heals, and then awarded a ranking based on points at the endThose are called achievements now
>>746002717I go by old /vr/ rules, pre-y2k. And it's not really just for semantic or moral or whatever reasons, it's just recency bias. The most recent retro generation will get 95% of the discussion, hence how /vr/ allowed PS2 posts over a technicality and immediately became the PS2 board.
>>746013447PS1 wasn't even allowed then /vr/ was founded. Modern gaming began with 3D accelerators
>>746013470I agree, but SNES games got 95% of the discussion over NES. N64 gets 95% of the discussion over SNES. You just have to draw the line somewhere and it's going to be arbitrary because anything a generation lower is fucked.
>>746003554I think it should be 20+ years from the end of a console generation, not the release.
>>746013576/v2k/ is the solution:>5th, 6th, and 7th gen all in one board>it's basically 2008 /v/>2D fags get to stay on /vr/, splendidly enjoying Atari threads without getting bumped off the catalog by San Andreas threads>Halo fags, no longer confined by the rules of /vr/, can finally talk about Halo 3>it becomes possible to talk about 7th gen games without being drowned out by retarded /v/ culture war bullshit and faggots flooding the catalog with BBC cuck threads
>>746013792I believe you're 100% correct on this, anon. Very good idea.
>>746011976I doubt she's old enough to have been part of that group.
GameCenter CX (Retro Game Master for you gaijins) recently made PS3/Wii games eligible for challenges. That’s the metric I’m going with.
>>746011976>no social media accounts>channel is literally only her talking about retro games>always wearing modest shirts up to her neck>genuine bible quote on her pagenah, women can be autistic too, the fact she's very good looking doesn't inherently make her what your seething imagines.
>>746003849>>mtxDead Space 3 >>always online/live serviceDefiance and DC Universe Online>>bloated open worlds being the normYour joking right>>woke shitThats the one thing im gonna give you but dudebroism started getting attacked in gen 7 with the Tomb Raider reboot, Remember Me (lol) and TLOU>>RPG mechanics in every gameThe trend started with shit like FarCry 3, >>unoptimized UE5 slopinstead you had UE3 slop with removing all of the cool shit games had before like dynamic lighting and reflections because the engine would crap itself if you implemented it
>>746013792>>2D fags get to stay on /vr/2Dfags have no claim to /vr/ because that would mean that games like Quake and Carmageddon would not be welcome
>>746002717The PS2 came out in 2000, and was discontinued in 2012. That's 26 and 14 years ago respectively. For reference, the GC and XB were discontinued in 2007 and 2006, 19-20 years ago. I feel like that qualifies as a retro generation
>NOOOOO 20 YEARS OLD CONSOLES ARE NOT RETRO>THEY ARE NOOOOOOOT>I'M NOT OLD STOP ITLol, lmao even. They're so old if you got a kid when the ps3 was released there's a chance you'd be a grandpa today.
>>746002717I just went through this foids twitch and gaming channel on youtube and the only games she plays is RE2 remake, Silent hill 2 remake, requiem and skyrim (and of course ff7 demake memes posted everywhere)You know if she actually wants to play retro games and was new to them I dont even care and id be happy if she did, problem with these retro foids is that they NEVER play retro games on their channels and “collect” these games for attentionLike I never see these retro foids playing a n64 game for fun or doing a long jrpg ps1 playthrough, they NEVER EVER DO THIS SHITfuck these foids. Im sick of them invading my hobby for attention just to never play fuck all. Retro female gamers do not exist. The ones that do are troons
>>746002717When CRT was still the dominant and/or the only available technology for home realistically6th gen is the transitional period thats basically retro having evolved into modern videogames, 7th gen is where that 6th gen is slowly evolving into the cancer that modern gaming would become, and 8th is the full blast goyslop cinematic microtransaction cuckbox era at its finest. In reality even the 7th gen still supported CRT tv.s at least for the earlier models of the consoles (if not all of their versions) but the technology was already phased out enough that games werent really designed with them in mind
>>7460154206th gen was also the generation were the main focus of gaming was still at home or on the couch with friends, by gen 7 split screen started to die out and the gaming space was slowly moving to online
>>746002717>Look at me! I'm playing VIDYA. I'm so different! I only like RETYA!Algo pushed, attention seeking, bitch. Letting women in our hobbies is what ruined the hobby. Go back to Easy-Bake Ovens, attention whore!
>>746003598I'm 37 and the 360 is definitely retro, it used component video and output in 720P. It was during the peak of the plasma TV era, graphics were crude by modern standards. Technology improved leaps and bounds afterwards and then stagnated in the HD era, I mean people are still using 1080p for fucks sake.
>>746015948Based, I use the blocktube addon and block channels from any foids that popup. Anything that takes power away from whores.
It's not retro if it has HDMI output.
Phantasy Star Online is some sort of inflection point.
I just put PS BB on my PS2. Enjoying having an OEM launcher for games.
>>746016123It's not retro if it uses electricity
Should I even get a PS2 PS1 when my Gen 1 FAT PS3 has backwards comp
>>746016123The early 360 models didn't have HDMI, though. I remember using mine over VGA.
>>746017192Yes. It has issues with several games be it graphical glitches, worse performance, or crashes. It's more of a patchwork job rather than full BC.
3 gens ago
>>746008075Classical and classic are not the same thing.
What a dumb thing to argue about
