https://www.patreon.com/pattheflip/posts/thank-you-2xko-167265357You don't hate these people enough. This is the most embarrassing dev blog i've ever seen
Do something better with your life other than advertising shit games and random fags on patreon.
>>746005058>advertisingare you literally retarded? this is one of the most hilariously dogshit out of touch dev stories i've ever read and you think i'm advertising lmao
that post is longer than the life of 2xko, I am definitely not reading the memoirs of a retard who couldn't make a good game!
This is genuinely sad cope that reminds me of what's going on with rivals of aether 2>yeah the game crashed and burned and a bunch of people are out of work but at least we made a heckin game we're proud a rino of (even if only 50 people agree with us)Like why didn't you just listen to people and make the game actually good? "I made the game I wanted to make" you wasted everyone's time and threw away an opportunity for your selfish vision
>>746005534This 100% this.
>>746005534
he thought reddit was his friend
>>746006269lol is this him
>>746006106this is literally good though. he was in charge of game balance, not business. he has no connection to the retard that decided to make it f2p with a battle pass and instantly doomed it to never making back its dev costsmaking the game fun and letting the monetization guys kill themselves with their dumb plan is the only way to go.
>>746006269Damn that's bad lmao>IT WAS SOOOO MUCH MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN ANYTHING ELSE>okay post the numbers>NOTHING WAS EVEN CLOSE, HUGE SUCCESS>can you post the numbers?>DID YOU SEE THE TOURNY ENTRANTS?>the numbers say otherwise? >REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
they just needed to send $5000 more to Sajam and the game would be a huge success, trust
>>746005534Based, also not reading all that shit
>>746006907sajam you need to practice deadlock or youll be working for chipotle for the rest of your life, the window is closing stop shitposting on /v/
>>746006106Your job is to make an awesome fighting game and all you could put out after ten years was a lame anime tag fighter with 10 characters?Ten years.
>>746006907It's going to be funny seeing him come crawling back to Dix
>>746006106This is a fine mentality to have honestly, especially since they were just burning thru Riot's coffers. Fuck em. However the game was NOT interesting, it was dogshit. That's the main issue there.
He's the same guy that went on a crusade against avatar to get it banned from tournaments because MikeZ helped make it.
>>746005534Riot hired a bunch of fighting game players willing to fund their experience and beginning of their carrers as game devsThey took advantage of Riot, never planned to make an actual game just prolong their paid internship for as long as they could to gain as much experience as they couldThey are getting roasted for being leeches but also applauded for taking back from the greedy corporations
>>746007063He pretty much brags about living off Riot’s money for 10 years before lamenting that success would have been impossible to achieve anyway. Then he says he’s too based to ever work for a company again.
The Concord of fighting games.
746007187The single easiest way to see how manufactured or empty the hate against something is is seeing how long it takes to mention Concord About 1hr, so, not a great look for flopsloppers
>>746007168>brags about living off Riot’s money for 10 yearsKinda based desuFuck Riot
>LoR flopped>Riot Forge games all flopped>Pool Party cancelled>2XKO flopped>Riftbound is already dying after the initial honeymoon scalper period>The MMO is vaporwareRiotbros...
>>746007159I thought it was very strange that for all the bragging about making money for years on 2XKO development he found the idea of a player making money from playing the game “stinky”. So it’s fine for him and the devs to fleece the company, but not other people?
From the beta it was obvious that the game sucks.What was weird was them keep developing it and not cancelling it immediately.Those huge corporations keep ignoring feedback which results in flops.
>>746004741This is retarded, whats the risk in making an incomplete game over 10 years? 2xko could've been the most complete fighting game ever made with the budget and devtime, could've given it bigger and better features and quality of life over sf6, big roster with a roadmap for more, an actual single player gamemodeBut no, they were stuck with someone like this who looked down on sf6 in particular when the game he worked on was mogged hard in every way possibleWhere do you even find the arrogance
>>746007187tokon isnt the same without him...
>>746004741It's crazy how pretentious and arrogant these idiots are. They act like they made the greatest game ever made instead of a shitty Tag fighter with a dumb control scheme.
>>746006106>making a boring fighting game success would have been far more disappointing than making an enjoyable failure>makes a boring failureKWABOTY
This is the same guy by the way
>>746006269FATALITY
is this the game that had a dev stream where nobody had a clue what was going on and they got a call to end it early?
>>746009147>ban Mike Z because some BPD whores had a woman moment and decided to make shit up to oust him and steal everything from him
>>746004741peak millennial mentality
>>746009147>muh mikez
its ironic that the games getting more coverage now that its dead than it did while it was alive. such a blunder from riot
>>746009201Isn't that Star Citizen?
>>746004741lol
He wrote two books on "how to begin playing fighting games", one of them has a Foreword written by Core-A Gaming who single handely ruined fighting games for 2 generations with his video essayshttps://patrickmiller.itch.io/frommashertomasterhttps://patrickmiller.itch.io/from-masher-to-master-2
>>746004741It's incredible how two arena fighters have more support than this.
>>746007529TFT is kingmay Mortdog outlive Riot
>>746006269Why even bother with a 160 man team if your game is going to be compared negatively to a game made by a small crew. You'd think with that team size, there would be a ton of content.
>>746009782>10 Years 10 Fighters 10 Months sounds like a new Zero Escape game
Virtua Fighter please deliver us from this hell
>>746010013Naruto storm connections yes, they just added a new Uchiha chick in it
>>746009903Sparking Zero and the last Naruto Storm?
I don't understand why people are so upset about this guys post. If a huge corporation gave me infinite time and money to develop my dream fighting game, I'd also probably also make something personally fulfilling instead of pandering to a casual audience. Yeah, it's bad for business, but the result is a more interesting game.
>>746004741>pattheflipOh yeah, I remember playing him in +R once
Makes way more sense that all the devs heads are so far up their own asses after they made a blog post about how they know the games name is awesome while trying to shit on under night. As their game is a month away from death and half the team is already fired.
>>746010114Casual players are the reason games sell; tryhards always ruin everything
>>746010107>>746010105
>>746007529Riftbound is not flopping sadly. The scene is very active. Probably the only thing since Valorant they've made that actually returns a profit.
>>746010114A more interesting game that nobody plays.
>>746010114is the more interesting game in the room with us?
>>746010181But casual appeal is tricky and simplified characters and inputs are the devil. I'm convinced that it's a big reason to why so many fighting games flounder out the gate. When a casual sits down with a fighting game, does he pick the easy character, or the cool character? That's right, be picks the cool character. And if he's with friends and one of them is a fighting game player, he's going to pick the easy one regardless of personal bias because he's knowledgeable about the process of learning a new game. This creates an immediate imbalance that pushes casuals away, and it gets even worse if the casual player picks the easy character because he's going to punch above his weight early on then get raped mercilessly when he goes up against a skilled player. No, the only way to do fighting games is to not care about casuals at all, since the real friction comes from the other player, not the game itself.
>>746010114Bro is arrogant about having a heavy hand in taking 10 years for a dogshit indie game with features a game with a fraction of cost and time would haveWhat he said vs the result doesnt match up
>>746004741not reading that, did the retard who wrote that wall of text admit they made a shit game and acknowledge that a shit product doesn't get you special treatment?
>>746004741It just doesn't make sense... How come nobody wanted to play our game?
>>746010547>ahri is the only classic hero>no lee sin>no xin zhao>no yi>no jax
>>746010546No, he says he’s happy with the final product and that it’s Riot’s fault for not charging $60 for the game and that 2KXO would have to be the most successful fighting game ever made to meet Riot’s expectations.
>first line is it begging for moneylmaooo
>>746010682you know i can appreciate taking pride in your work, but thats a bit muchwhat an entitled bratty cunt
>>746006106>High-powered characters with simple inputs>high rewards for difficult executionwhich one is it?
Literally the last blogpost before announcing the shutdown was the devs trying to convince everyone that 2xko is an awesome name while they shit on UNI
fuck I love layoff slop as a genre
>>746011047imagine seething so hard that you lost to French Bread of all companies that you publicly shit on them. That would also unironically be a better name than 2xko
>>746010051isn't it nuRGG, without the guy who actually made good games like F-Zero and Super Monkey Ball? No way in hell it's going to be good.
>>746011047>Hey have you heard of 2XKOWhat's that?>It's the League of Legends fighting game.Oh. Why didn't they call it the League of Legends fighting game?I guarantee a conversation similar to this has happened too many times after the game was announced. They should have looked at Nintendo who named their fighting game after Super Mario Bros.
Why not just name it LoL KO
>>746006106Western videogame devs are all scammers and paycheck stealers BU THIS SHIT is so uniquely FGC stealing 5 bucks from your sleeping grandma tier that you actually have to marvel at it.
>tooeckskayyooh
>>746011047while completely glossing over the fact that UNI is already an established franchise, so they can get a bit whackier with the names. meanwhile, 2xko is a name that means nothing to noone.
>>746006106>nu-uh not my faultabsolute hubris
wasn't this only in production just because Dota 2 got datamined for "fighting game" assets which turned out to be just a holiday minigame LMAO
>>746007529>Riftbound floppingI fucking wish. I hate the gameplay. Games last 5ever, yet every tcg grinder and pros love it
>>746011854No bro, that post was retard-bait
>>746011368the epic & cracked saucy game these fags glaze is literally called MARVEL vs CAPCOM, the sequel to a game called XMEN vs STREET FIGHTER
>>746005121Zoomers are so fucking braindead they can't even realize when they're being milked
ok can people stop pretending tagslop is fun now? and saying le maaaaahvel baby etc.?lol at trusting a bunch of american FGC bums to make a good fighting game. only japanese angels can do that
>>746011854This steamie saw a dude acting retarded in the OP and said "HOLD MY BASEDLATTE IM GONNA POST SOMETHING EVEN MORE RETARDEEED!!!"
>>746011884so was it actually in development for 10 years? first time I heard of Project L (lmao) was around 2021
>>746006106The whole idea of turning a game into Fortnite is so fucking flawed. Games are meant to be single player romps for the most part, multiplayer was always an afterthought. Fartnut catered to lowest common denominator normie children who only had a cell phone, no FTP game should ever be on console it’s a retarded bet
>>746011854Nah this game was actually in dev hell for an entire decade
>>746004741It's impossible to discuss what went wrong because the "FGC" is full of dipshits who want to pretend Riot and some evil CEO pulled the plug on the game, when the dev team never once gave a shit and wanted to make a game for their shitty polycule and LGBT buttbuddies.
>>746011991>so was it actually in development for 10 years?Yes, that's no exaggeration. It was a very literal ten years.
>>746011991riot bought rising thunder in like 2015as far as anyone can tell they basically wanted that game but with league characters and then got strung along for 10 years
>literally has hundreds of heroes in the roster>release only 17 chumps>also hire FGC sweats to balance a game made for casualslmao
>>746010114the big big big problem that everyone is pointing out everywhere is that the game is neither interesting nor fun despite the supposed attempt at making a cool game in spite of profit. it reads extremely arrogantly and lacks self-reflectionin the end he made a shitty sluggish version of BBtag and ultimately the game does absolutely nothing innovative. absolutely nothing about the game lines up with what he claims he was doing, and he has the gall to say he didn't have a high opinion of the last ten years of fighting games when he was willing to churn out some dogshit while claiming it was the best of his efforts and experience
>>746012068>as far as anyone can tell they basically wanted that game but with league characters and then got strung along for 10 yearswell if the retards have no oversight, just another stunning example of Riot's incompetence
>riot execs when they get told they spent 10 years paying 150 people to make some shit called two ecks kay oh
>League has champs that would be perfectly fit for a fighting game like Sett or motherfucking Lee Sin the MARTIAL ARTIST who was part of the OG ROOSTER>don't include them, instead go for a really weird rooster>don't call it a LoL fighting game but give it some shitty name that doesn't sound related to LoL>use censored shitty designs of female characters>don't include yordle girls or lolis>daaaamn guys why we fail???Lmao what a shitshow. Learning more about this thing makes it more comedic, now as much as I dislike Riot and consider them dumb kikes I think it would be a good move if they just started a lawsuit for effectively wasting their money and time for 10 DANG YEARS WTF
>when your game has more years spent making it than characters
>>746004741Crazy to me how no one thought to ape an actually successful live service fighting game like MK11 which actually bothers catering to casuals with shit beyond online matches. Why did Riot think some Mahvel fags were going to cater to anyone but maybe a few thousand people? E-sports can't be that profitable compared to just selling a fucking game.
>>746012002>Games are meant to be single player romps for the most part, multiplayer was always an afterthought. Yeah, I'm sure this is why tons of people played Quake 3 or Unreal Tournament. Or why Diablo 2 online was so successful. Or why MMO's blew up instead of becoming a failed idea.
2ecksCOW
>10 years dev cycle>10 years dev cycle for 10 characters>10 years dev cycle for 10 characters in a tag team fighter>TWO EKS KAY OUHWhat exactly was the game plan here?
>>746012401to fail and then say>I meant to do that
>>746012401Crashing this endeavor, with no survivors!
>>746011991Rising Thunder was in a playable state and semi released. So basically add some years on top of the 10 years for Rising Thunder that just needed to change the character and background models.Man that shit would have gone so hard because it was very based on sf4. Imagine a huge IP like lol with tons of characters playing like the fighting game giant of 7th gen.
>>746012282>2 --ACKs, KO!
>>746012401>10 charactersThe 10 character roster isn't even the worst part. The worst part is that half the roster was fucking Arcane shit and you had like 4 different regions with zero champ reps
>>746004741What's worse is the people who were dealing with this faggot and his friends, who eventually lost their jobs because they had their heads so far up their ass
>>746011875Give it 3 years and it will fall off, whether due to balancing and design or Riot jewing it up on the same tier as Hasbro. Not going to fall for Riot garbage ESPECIALLY card games with what they did with LoR
>>746011217The guy you are refering to got his notyakyza game cancelled after spending 40 million dollars on it and all he had to show for it after 5 years of "fev time" was an ai generated trailer. They'll be fine without him.
>>746012486They probably were running on the belief that Arcane will launch LoL into some massive Disney-tier media giant and wanted to capitalise on it while believing people coming to the game won't know who Sett or Lee Sin or ANY CHARACTER MORE FIT FOR A FIGHTING GAME actually are
>>746009782Literally a 10/10/10 game and riot still killed it? We are cooked.
>>746012606jej
>>746012196Could be worse. You could be Xbox paying Tim Schäfer and his buttbuddies premium salary in the most expensive to live in city in the world to shit out fucking Kiln in 5 years.
Was my wife in the game?
>>746012570Good games made by Nagoshi: 6 + whatever entries you like from YakuzaGood games made by Hackaayama: 0Can't fight facts, bitch nigger
>>746009782>Project LWow it really was doomed from the start
>>746004741KEK what a pussy
>>746012449stop spamming yourself, retard
>>746012665No, very stupid decision.
>>746012249Or simply smash and brawlhalla. Both have tag as option.
>>746012673Stranger than heaven = coming outGang of fat chinese dragon = not coming out
>>746011047It should have been called>The toplane: a league of lol fightan gameRiot hire me for your next decade's project.
>>746012665Nope. Only 2 top laners in the game. What a fucking travesty.
chinabros, why didn't we save this game? it's got all our favorites.
>>746012705At least they didn't ruin her design like they did Akali
>TWO ACKS OW!
>>746012754>Jarvanbased chinks
>>746007159>applauded for taking back from the greedy corporationsIf you trace it back far enough, all that money fundamentally came from the labour of underpaid slaves in the prison system or in the third world, so it's not really anything to applaud. All he did was figure out a way to get a cut of the money extracted from third world slave labour WITHOUT doing any work (as opposed to most people, who have to get massively overpaid working at McDonalds or something).
>>746012748>Several bruiser/fighter types in the game like Riven, Lee Sin, Udyr, Jax, Garen>NO WE MUST PUT IN SQUISHY HEROES LIKE TEEMO CAITLYN AND AHRII don't understand it. I just don't.
>>746012754>Jhin mentionedFucking basedPlaying as him actually made League fun for me againYet another great character forced to be trapped in LoL
>>746012886Wait they put the little midget asshole in the game? You serious?
>briar will never be butchered by these retarded designersGod bless. No doubt they would've put her in some massive boots and removed her ankle spikes.
>>746006106>entire word vomit is him jerking himself off about lies and delusions he has about himself and his dogshit ""game"">literally the most uninspired dogshit fighting game known to man with no mods no risks no new mechanics and no fun gameplay or really not much of anything>"erm we actually made a very unique very special and risky game hehe :)"Every single person who worked on X2KO deserves to be beaten and killed, we're never getting another chance at a riot fighting game, this was the only shot this had of happening and they instead used all the money on coke and whores>patreonI hope he kills himself I at least wanted to see brair or poppy in a fighting game even if it was as unfun as 2xko
>>746009938They were grifters and scammers, honestly the whole thing is pretty pathetic, i hope they get humilated and kicked out of the wider gaming circles they're associated with
>>746013134Based Briar lover
>>746010114He didn't make a "more interesting game", he released a barebones retread of MVCI with 8 way mixups and ONLY TEN FUCKING CHARACTERS AND ZERO SINGLE PLAYER CONTENT AFTER MORE THAN A DECADE OF DEVELOPMENT.This is the same attitude that got the fucking Halo TV show and Netflix Devil May Cry made "Lol, I don't give a fuck about Halo or what Halo players want, I'm gonna do whatever I want and make something for ME even if it's a steaming pile of dogshit, who cares if it flops at least it's my ~vision~"This faggot is worse than Adi Shankar
>>746013348I see toes.
You heard about Two ACKS kay-oNow get ready for DICKS kay-o
I think the dev team are ultimately to blame and the game wasn't very good, but Riot not actively advertising it with League was just a silly move. How much effort would it have been to put in some skins or cosmetics or whatever moba subhumans like as a reward for playing it?
>>746012486Nah, the worst part was that the core gameplay was unfun to both hardcore and casual fighting fans alike, and on top of that the game launched with no game mods besides the basic online matches that only had 10 characters, meaning in any giving match you're looking at half the fucking roster, it would be like if MK or street fighter released with 4 fucking characters, WORSE YET TWO OF THESE CHARACTERS WERE AHARI & DARIUS WHO STILL HAD THEIR PROJECT L ANIMATIONS, MEANING THESE FUCKS ONLY MADE 8 NEW CHARACTERS
>>746012991Yes, and he LOOKS LIKE SHIT
>>746013302I CAN'T BELIEVE THE NIGSPICS FROM THE FGC WOULD BE SCAMMERS WTFFFF
>>746012401even if they could only do 10 characters they still picked the absolute worst fucking ten do it. >Lee Sin>Sett>Jax>Riven>Fiora>fucking ZED how do you not put the edgy shadow ninja that the chinese and koreans are obsessed with in your fucking fighting game holy shitputting in Ahri and Jinx and Caitlyn for mass appeal and MUH ARCANE is one thing, fine, but the rest of the roster was almost tailor made to be retarded and dead on arrival. Who gives a fuck about Illaoi compared to fucking Riven or Lee Sin?
>>746006106NOBODY LIKES TAG FIGHTERSGET THAT THROUGH YOUR SKULLIT'S NOT A HARD CONCEPT TO GRASP
>>746013557MUH MAHVEL BAYBAY!
>>746013509Honestly when you put it like that you have to wonder what was riot thinking handing them the riens, i understand that they had their hands full with LOL, tft and eventually valorant but didn't they at least check on these retards to make sure they're actually making meaningful progress?
>>746004741>TWO MORE RANGE CHAMPSthese 'people' are insane
>>746013557Tokon made the smart decision to make tagging optional and you can just use them as glorified specials while maining a character you like. also it has Shuri's fat ass appealing to white colonizers
>>746013640Tokon's just another in the line of licenced fighting game flops happening one after another THOUGH
>>746013456That shit is just licensed shovelware by a no name company that probably costed nothing to make and certainly didn't take 10 years in the making. It's not fun to celebrate its eventual demise.
>>746013616they only decided it would be a tag fighter like 2 years agoit legitimately was a 1v1 game for like 7-8 yearswhat were they doing during those 7-8 years to not even make a fucking game and still be deciding what type of game they even want to make?that is preproduction territory, not active development lmao
>>746013636Samira isn't a ranged champion technically
>>746013616Western videogame business was full of "just let the artist do whatever" and it lead to so many scams. I was actually shocked that the new xbox head looked at that shit and openly said this part out loud. Stop fucking around with restarting development every 2 years and make games people want to play.
>>746013640I can't believe they wasted a spot on fucking Shuri
>>746009493zamn is jiyuna really /our/ guy?
>tfw ywn scam a big vidya company out of billions while you live the neet life with 0 consequences
>>746013735I like Samira because she's actually pretty hot and find it amusing that someone at Rito went "alright but what if we put DmC in League"
>>746013757Black Panther is too big to leave out of the game, they didn't waste a slot on her, they did an upgrade by NOT having T'challa playable and instead giving his hot sister who exclusively dates white boys as the mandatory wakanda kangz representation. Would you prefer she was deleted and we just got T'challa and Killmonger shit?
ASSFAGGOTS
>>746013798>no consequencesThat we will seeI really wonder if openly saying "yeeeeeaaah we basically just took a company's money for 10 years without actually making much progress, I mean we didn't even know what we were doing lol xD too bad" could justify a lawsuit
>>746013845>Black Panther is too big to leave out of the gameCorporate astroturfing doesnt make something "big"
>>746013845Shuri has negative appeal outside of being female. Tchalla at least had been likeable in the past while almost every iteration of Shuri in recent years has been annoying or almost outright evil
>10 years later>still malding at black panther
>>746013735hmm i'm acutally ok with samira, but fucking lux?desperesion for skins i guesstoo bad it's too late lmao
>>746013790always has been
>>746013973I mean I imagine Black Panther was actually a liked hero back when he was just Africa Man and not a WE WUZ icon
This is what the bare minimum base roster should have looked like. And there should have been a story with a final boss OC that later gets added to league.
>>746014121put poppy over that gay looking tree loser on the bottom right (i have no idea who he is) and we have a deal
>>746013935He most definitely consulted a lawyer because writing this.
>>746014121>no sett or SamiraCmon man
>>746004741nobody in this thread played itthe fact that it has the best netcode of any fighter alone should have been a selling pointit's just that everybody hates league, rightfully so. everyone knows that fighting game palyers play dota
>>746014274>dota fanboyLolDota is for ruskies
>>746013471>Not actively advertising itWhere are you people getting this? It was all over at every FG event, streams, etc. I saw shit for it everywhere at EVO myself.
>>746014274I played it.
>>746014037>(sometimes hot)female character has negative appeal outside of being (made)a hot femaleI mean I guess but it's more than enough when it comes to arcsys who's getting to pick who they please and to the players who have her as one the top 5 most picked characters. Even if half said pick reason is solely because she's a top tier retard like blade and magik.
>>746014274>dude, why didn't you play TWO AXE KEY OW>what the fuck is that?>it was actually a League fighting gameWhy didn't they just call it that. Also, i saw ZERO marketing for it despite League making billions of dollars every year.
>>746014121>>>>>>>>>3 girlsKill yourself, gay furry bara fag
>>746006269>"it has the best numbers!!">such as? none of them are public>"all the numbers that matter! like tournament entrants">it has less than cotwlmao it absolutely shit the bed
>make game for no one but yourself>no one but yourself likes it>surprise>twitter rant>patreon blogpostyou're supposed to make a game you like, that's the heart of the process, but those kind of projects can fail and he never accepted that fact. It's why the investors dont risk anything and make boring greed driven slop I dont blame him for trying, I blame him for being insufferably naive and retarded, like most of CA. he made a game for no one that no one wanted, and still hasnt accepted it
>>746014274I did, it was horribly unbalanced and the gameplay was too casualized.
>>746006106>my job is to make an awesome fighting gameisnt this the same game that was so unbalanced that the devs themselves had to put out a bounty for someone to get top 10 without using the two most op characters
>>746009887What's wrong with Core-A Gaming?
>>746014274I played it and immediately dropped it because it has one of the, if not, worst control scheme in a fighting game I've ever seen. You can safely assume anyone that tries to defend it in anyway is a fucking idiot and doesn't understand fighting games.
>>746004741max bros…the humiliation wont stop…
>>746014274I went into it thinking I would dislike it, since it was a tag fighter and tag fighters are always awful and basically sell on IP aloneAnd then I played it, and yeah, my assumptions were correct and it sucked shit. I played maybe 130 matches in total? mostly just queuing up but also against some friends. Not much, but holy shit, the game sucked dick.
>>746004741You know if the Avatar game of all things was able to find some real footing with people real quick, I don't think there's much excuse to defend 2XKO's devs when they say shit like this. Especially when the biggest faces of FG content creators are also friends with these people.
>>746009147Mike Z making another great fighting game while his haters make absolute dogshit flops while crying about him to their grave is some good justice.
Mike Z literally raped a woman!
>>746015075>shits out another flopped turdkikez fangays will never not be kikes as well
>>746006106>I'd rather make an interesting failure than a boring success>makes BBTAG
>>746006106I dunno what iti s with fighting games and their complete inability to hire people good at their jobsLike 2XK0 was in work for a decade or so. The game he's braggin about making awesome here... had shit balance and was boring to play.
>>746006106>make an awesome fighting game>make it profitable>interesting failure/boring success>we all get firedwell, he managed 1/4
>>746015075>>746015253Skullgirls sold on panties rather than quality and died when they decided it was a great idea to add men to a waifu fighter in DLC, make them all top tier and make Beowulf in particular a joke character who's also jsut strong for no reason when most of SG's cast are mutiliated, cursed or possessed to be able to fight; he was retarded when working on SG'sI forget the name of the next thing he did, but I remember immediately telling it would die when I played the gangster chick and her passive "upside" was that she had to call for help from allies to do a bunch of her moves, while other characters had multiple actual upsides rather than a downside. Being clearly poorly balanced and designed that early on guaranteed its death
>>746015392Everyone competent left in 2019. He was just one of the leftovers that didn't even know how to code when he was hired because he was a community manager that got promoted to an actual real position.
>>746015392I’ll tell you what it is, games like this almost never get made outside Japan so when Riot put money into a LoL based project the “people” they hired to make the game got as many of their useless friends hired on and rode the gravy train for 10 years. Think about how terrible you’d have to be at your job to spend 10 years making 2XKO
>>746015513Do NOT shittalk Big Band niggy
learned one thing over the years, about 70% of these retards gonna get hired the next time some american company goes for a fighting game
>>746015605Sure I will. Cancer-ass character who should not have been added to a waifu game who actively made it less fun to play to the point the game lost average players shortly after his release because no one enjoyed fighting a guy with full screen armored attacks, high hp, high damage, command grabs, a parry no one else gets and higher special damage for meter cost than the rest of the cast, but he was SO STRONG he was in near every team
>>746006106>>746006269how do we call this kind of gamedev?>lives in an alternate reality where everything they do is good and any negative feedback was someone else's fault>keeps deflecting when questioned about hard numbers>product is fucking dogshit
I didn't think it was this dire, goddamn. Biggest flop in the genre?
>>746015687>put a man in a woman-centered fighting game>he ruthlessly mogs every characterNo wonder they keep trying to cancel Mike
>>746015751i dunno if big band can even be called a man, he was more of a machinebeowulf was the man who was just inexplicably better than everyone else while not even trying who shat on the entire concept of the game
>>746012736>>746012570>retarded liarChina was and is still closong their Japanese investments.Let's not forget Sega cancelled a 1 billion dollar game too lmao
>>746011368>at Nintendo who named their fighting game after Super Mario Brosi legitimately had to think about what game you were talking aboutarms?pokken?because i legitimately forgot the full name of Smash
>>746004741fighting games are not a genre it's just street fighter and virtua fighter addicts who get bored of the same setting but still want the same exact shityou are a huge cuck if you develop a clone of these games
>>746014274Of course nobody played it, that's why it died lmao
>>746014298Advertising to fighting game fags isn't going to make you successful. Only catering to normies outside the incredibly niche FGC will save a fighting game, but retards don't understand that.
its another derivative of the function fighter delusion, but gayerI'm not playing a gay looking mvc game with infinity stonesI'm not playing some gay shitty censored game that have their old characters butchered for twitter tranniesAnd I'm definitely not playing an fgc focused league fighting game with visuals thats multifiltered by consultants (league of lel is pretty gay to begin with)Also the name fucking sucks. Gay.
>>746012150>bolt, weird...we're proud of (we pat ourselves on the back)notice the lack of "good"
Heres how to make a fighting game that worksDo not try to overcomplicate itDon't make it a tag fighter or some CUHRAYYZE endless combo shit, don't try to reinvent the wheelMake it simple and easy to understand, with characters based on simple concepts like "guy who punches", "wrestler", "fast lady" or "counter guy", don't try to make gimmicky bullshitMake the controls as smooth and responsive as possibleBase the gameplay on proper reactions, parries and skillful play rather than some gimmick mechanics and spamming combos by muscle memoryKeep it simple, keep it smooth, don't overthink itIs it really so damn hard
>>746016237None of that matters. You have to make it accessible and interesting to normies that don't play fighting games as a job.
>>746016237Heres how to make a fighting game that works>dont make it f2p lmao you are NOT making money off of only cosmetics>have decent singleplayer content as well as things that are quick and easy and enjoyable to experience for casual players within 30 minutes of first booting up the game
>>746016385>have decent singleplayer contentThis holy fucking shitAll these games keep trying to become the next esports sensation but without good singleplayer content it means every new player will just end up going into multiplayer and being torn to shreds by sweaty nerds with decades of fighting game experience before leaving in disgustMortal Kombat or Injustice may not be amazing fighting games but you can get a lot of playtime just from playing against botsModern Killer Instinct also had pretty fun singleplayer content
>>746005534this.
>>746016237>Do not try to overcomplicate itMost memorable fightings are overcomplicated either by design or accident, there are very few exceptions to that.>don't try to make gimmicky bullshitThis is how you kill your fighting. Characters need to be cool and interesting in both design and gameplay. Basic bitch characters are a function within roster, not a fucking blueprint.>Make the controls as smooth and responsive as possibleThis is how you get modern controls together with TOKON tier shitshow when casuals are actively punished by the system that supposed to help them.>Base the gameplay on proper reactions, parries and skillful playYou are absolute retard who do not understand fightings if you think any of that is missing currently.
>>746016385>quick and easy and enjoyable to experience for casual players within 30 minutes of first booting up the gamea lot of people tend to overlook how this can sometimes just mean having a really good button on a characterits also why one button specials can be a detriment, it loses the shock and awe and just gets really annoying if its something like a spammable projectile
>>746006106>had to emotionally prepare why are modern western developers always such huge massive humongous faggots?
>>746006106>the job was not ton play safeyet they went with the most globohomo corporate approved artstyle conceivable and they also made sure to concentrate on which sex each character likes to fuck and course there are lesbians n faggots.
>>746016385>>have decent singleplayer content as well as things that are quick and easy and enjoyable to experience for casual players within 30 minutes of first booting up the gamethis make an ACTUAL VIDEOGAME that's worth a $60 purchase price on its own even without sweaty competitive ranked multiplayer and you'll have success. People do not want to pay the full price of a AAA game for a glorified lobby simulator.This is part of why Smash has always been enormously successful compared to its competitors, it has the pull of Nintendo IP and every game has a significant focus on the single player and casual couch multiplayer experience so even total casuals who never play ranked ever still feel like they've got their money's worth from World of Light or whatever. Soul Calibur did this very well historically as well. Pseudo-3d fighting games like For Honor also realized you need something for noobs to do besides get their teeth kicked in in ranked matchmaking or you end up with less than 500 players jerking off in discord together as your """playerbase""". Make an actually fun and entertaining videogame first and foremost and the competitive scene will follow, you should never sacrifice the fundamentals just to jerk off to your empty 10-character zero story zero campaign zero stage variety """masterpiece"""
>>746017243Shit man I don't even like soulslop but add that to the list as well. People enjoy the single player and then take the pvp seriously lmao.
>>746006269He's right that Riot wasn't going to be happy with a game making normal fighting game numbers, but without actual data to back it up he's just making a god of the gaps argument. If his goal was to make some kino game the normalfag masses can't understand and stick it to The Man, and he knew Riot wasn't going to be happy with the outcome and so this result was inevitable, why does he sound so upset? He got paid and people will continue playing a great game even without updates.
>>746012215>use censored shitty designs of female charactersAhri having a black void still pisses me off.
I swear I've been hearing "bruh Riot making a fighting game" for like a decade at this point. It's basically been cultural background noise.You are telling me somewhere along the line it was released and flopped already?
Did it fail because it was a tag game? Did it fail because dei hires picked shitty cosmetic MTX? Did it fail because it was too complex or something?I genuinely don't understand how it could have done so poorly. Fighting Games were picking up steam on twitch, SF6 is pretty popular at the moment, Riot had the money and will to fund esports, the game looked decent, LoL is a massive IP, it was free to play with good connection which was and partly still is a rarity in the genre, and it was a chance to see your favorite characters in league get skins you would actually see from a non-isometric angle.It was also being pushed in the competitive scene. If one of the biggest gaming companies in the world, working with oldschool FGC members, and top tier competitive players like Clockwork who was a god in Marvel 2 and 3, can't making fighting games work even when they make the game f2p can anyone but Capcom even make fighting games anymore? I mean how the fuck is Rival's of Aether an indie smashclone doing better off than the LoL Fighting Game?Someone explain it to me because it just doesn't make sense. I haven't played it or paid attention to it (haven't really touched a fighting game since usf4 and xrd), but it looked like it was an okay game.
>>746018096it was in fact in development for the last decade, the full 10 yearsit released 8 months ago, wasn't marketed well (people who wanted to play it had no idea it released, thats how bad it was) and was generally a poor quality game from awful gameplay design leading to timeouts and very buggy in general, every patch had bugs that could potentially break a character
>>746017934I want to lick Annie like that
>>746018196This is so crazy. How do you have 10 years of marketing and then release unknown and flop?
>>746012215I ain't even seen the roster, lets see>Ahri: Popular, coombait, good moveset for a fighting game, fine>Akali: See above, less coomey>Blitz: The singular grappler/weird guy any fighter gets, fine>Bald: Big guy, popular, cute pets, fine>Caitlyn: Popular, coombait, for the same people who main Window in OW and Rivals, fine>Darius: Questionable. He's not that popular. But I guess he fills the role of generic male for regular dudes to play?>Ekko: Fairly popular, was in that one gay wannabe anime with the gay girls in it who are gay, token black guy so they can pretent to care about BLM's, fine>Illaio: I would assume she's here because all modern western pandering games need to add a maoi character for some reason; these characters are basically never actually popular. First truly bad choice. Her playstyle also wouldn't translate well, being a like 8 foot tall bruiser with keepaway tentacles and not attractive enough to attract even futa coomers that would normally flock to such a design>Jynx: Its Jynx.>Senna: Not a popular character, blatant BLM addition, but BLM was largely over by the time the game came out.>Teemo: Its Teemo>Thresh: Very weird choice. Doesn't fit the roster at all.>Vi: She was in the cartoon>Warwick: Furry bait, popular, fine, model looks like shit>Weab: Weab bait, popular, fineRoster really doesn't seem nearly as bad as people say. Its mostly popular female characters, people from the animation or random popular champions. The most questionable ones are the big girl and girl with gun, and having both Blitzcrank and Thresh as if they needed 2 weird non-human big guys with a pull
>>746015253MikeZ was based and real and he called out half-duplex wifiniggers shitting up videogames, but tagkuso just sucks and his game is bad because of it, lmao.
>>746018161It failed because there was no other option, the game was never ever gonna live beyond a year or twoThere is no fighting game playerbase large enough to get 10 years of throwing money away back and also cover live service costs, the suits realized this after seeing the live numbers
>>746016515Hell some of the most fun I've had in Smash was the singleplayer stuff and most of it was just the laziest shit I've ever seen, still fun though. Even before Subspace emissary. Homerun contests in Melee were fun. The challenge fights were fun. The adventure mode was fun.
>>746018512The budget for the game seemed cheap though. And it's not like they have to design brand new characters, they just pull from League which makes the entire process much easier when it comes to how the character will fight and shit. The playerbase is large enough for capcom to dedicate live service features for years on end while also funding the capcom cup and other prizepools, so why wasn't it large enough for riot? Zoomers are much more familiar with League characters than boomerfighter.
>>746006269this guy is slimier than Trump lmao
>>746011854Yes, some of the strings for the fighting mini-game where found towards the end of 2015, september or october I think. Riot suddenly bought the Rising Thunder studio at the start of 2016.
>>746018681Salary is not Salary, 160 people in LA are going to cost you a ton more than majority japan/third world based employees and then you also have a dev time of 10!! years vs SF6 like max 5?Capcom gets 60 bucks immediately to recover (some) costs, 2xko was free to playEven if they had the same number of players which they clearly didn't, Riot needed a LOT more spenders
>>746018870this. I remember exactly where I was at the end of 2014 when the news first broke out that there was a LoL FG among other projects involving the title on the making.
>>746018870>>746019000Crazy to think valve was already making a dota fighting game in 2007 and right just copied their idea before they even existed.
>>746018681bro, western gaming development costs an absurd fortune not because of the actual work going in the game but because of useless hires and positions the blue haired HR is indoctrinated to hire.
>>746006269But Todd told me reddit has some good ideas...
What's more impressive to me is how much money they are willing to spend just for the chance of having a profitable game.All those millions down the drain.
I wonder if Avatar Legends and Marvel Tokkon outlive this game.. I feel it's the "genre's" fault but not because of the genre itself but because suits/gamedevs/studios bet unrealistically on them...They thought this would've been the next Tekken or Street Fighter etc and more...
>>746014298The FGC is astroturfed as fuck. There's a reason MK is the top seller, but not the top at tournament attendance and that's because it knows how cater to the people that actually buy these games.Hardcore fighting game players don't realize they're in the minority and most don't even watch EVO or compete. They just chill at home playing single player modes or versus with the bros.
>>746011047Well Undernight In-Birth is without a doubt one of the dumbest fucking names I have ever heard in my life, but at least it's so fucking stupid, it's very memorable.
>>746019494As soon as they peaked they started looking to diversify their sources of income since League won't last forever and that was their only game. LoR took 8-10 years too and that failed. MMO is soon to hit the 6 years development time. This is just an example of proper direction(not project management) since if League dies they are done so they need other games even if to costs them.
>>746019692Both of those trashfires died 2 days after launch.
>>746016385>>dont make it f2p lmao you are NOT making money off of only cosmetics>>have decent singleplayer content as well as things that are quick and easy and enjoyable to experience for casual players within 30 minutes of first booting up the gameDecent singleplayer solves the f2p issue. Copy World Tour from SF6 and make fucking bank off selling cosmetics for your custom character. Make it a cosmetics gacha if you have to and become the Genshin of fighting games.
>>746020019well you're right but I meant as in "end of service"
>>746016385F2P worked if they just ate the gacha forbidden fruit. But they'd rather sell extremely overpriced skins. LoR failed for that too since card games make bank by release OP cards or alternate versions of them so whales spend a lot opening packs, yet Riot decided to not do so and make zero money through a shop no one interacted with since you could get all cards F2P.
how are they not able to make ONE good champ in league? cannot remember last time they released something that was not some dashing shit or trash support no one plays
>No Sett>No RIVEN>No Katarina>No Zed>No Cho'gath>No Poppy>No Briar>No NidaleeGay faggot game
Fighting games are fucking DEAD dude.If it isn't Street Fighter or Smash it's fucked.
>>746014524>he made a game for no one that no one wanted, and still hasnt accepted ityeah it's clear from the defensiveness that oozes from the post. it reads much more like cope than actual acceptance
>>746004741>>I've only played a couple sets since the layoff – after playing the game for work for ten years, playing the game as a player just feels like I'm giving Riot a freebie>>Ironically, as someone who only plays "dead" games, I'm far more interested in picking the game back up once the last patch drops, because anyone still around then is clearly there for the love of the game and not because they think it'll lead to some future clout reward or something. Spent 10 years bitching about modern games and cramming in every fighting game mechanic known to man for his "dream fighting game", just to have 0 actual interest in playing it himself. That's how you can tell this guy is old school FGC.
>>746006106>why not? the worst thing that happens is that we all get firedeasy for you to say asshole, not everyone is an fgc talking head influencer nepobaby like you, marlinpie, nerdjosh, clockwork, and all those fuckers
>Patreon post about how you're NOT going to be making a game
>>746021530LMAO poor ppl XD
>>746021554Isn't patreon used by women who sell lewd photographs.
>>746019494every industry does the same thing now, one success can pay for 100 failures
>>746021684That's Onlyfans.
>>746015703Piratesoftware devs
>>746006269>talking shit about other games and companies to prove a pointvery professional, patrick
The biggest take away from this entire thing is that arcsys game fans are mostly maladjusted idiots and scum like pattheflip and yohosie who should never be allowed to work on fighting games, along with mvc fans, and should never be given blank checks to do as they please.
>>746022064>t crapcum shill
>>746016696If it took him half a year to emotionally prepare to talk about being laid off it's no wonder 2XKO is in the state it's in after 10 years of dev.
>>746022064That is funny because woshige not only can't count but is responsible for both sf5 and 6.
>>746022243I actually have not touched a single SF game my entire life. I'm a Tekkenfag that got into anime fighters back in 2021 because of how bored I was of 7 and came to the conclusion that anyone could when they look at 2xko and Pat's post. Anime fighting game niggers are fucking weird and not all there even if the games can be pretty fun sometimes.
>>746010547>Jinx is really popular>Let's redesign away all her sex appeal>Let's do it again to Akali>Why did I flop???
>>746020035SF6 is perfectly built for F2P with its world tour and avatar modes and all its microtransactions/costumes. If anything im suprised fighting game devs dont seek Gamepass/PS+ deals because after initial period of 2+ years removing that entry barrier would be perfect to boost playerbase and revenue through these subscripion services and people who would try games and stay. They would buy avatar shit,stages and character season passes and game would get playerbase boosts. I recently played MK1 on gamepass and i have never experienced better and faster matchmaking than that game has.
>>746006675>he has no connection to the retard that decided to make it f2p with a battle passHis connection was that he was the guy responsible for making a fighting game which the battle pass was to be for, and 10 years later he hadn't made a fighting game
he was right
>>746022761There are other things to think about, lots of people would be annoyed to pay full price for a product that goes f2p later on. Many fighters effectively do this anyway by making the base game like 5 dollars to try and shift dlc.
>>746022821who
>>746006106>my job is to make an awesome fighting gameSounds like you were bad at your job for 10 years.
>>746022821he always had a good sense for things, SF4 would have sucked without him and he made the right move bailing out on the 2xko team when the writing was on the wall
>>746022893Only most brownest poorest golem would get mad at this plus its not F2P but on subscripions services so not really free. A lot of players would love to see some playercount boost I know I would for my games, i dont give a fuck about how I paid for it 60$ over 2-3 years ago if i could get faster matchmaking and shiet.
>>746005534I clapped. I clapped when I saw a man who couldn’t read.
>>746023128>Only most brownest poorest golem would get mad at thisThis is the majority of people who play games, not just fighters. People who play online loads would obviously think it's a good thing but everyone forgets that the majority of people who play fighting games mash around in single player and barely touch the online and if they find out that something they spent $60 on is now free they'd get pissed. It's why you pretty much never see this happening even for games that are extremely dlc heavy single player experiences.
>>746009034he really did achieve the worst of both worlds
>>746004741> they're still going to release the two upcoming champions (Lux and Samira)>lets follow up our shit roster nobody asked for with... 2 shit characters nobody asked for!I don't think current Riot realizes that this strategy would never work for League of Legends if it hadn't already established market dominance. They're so used to shlocking poor quality characters to their addicted fanbase that they don't understand how to make anything interesting anymore.
>>746023393Thats retarded then but if brown ghouls prefer to sit in matchmaking for 5 minutes or look at discord for matches then so be it lmao. As I said id love to see fighting game devs pursue gp/ps+ deals like 2-3 years after release so i could get someone ANYONE to play. I literally cant play SNK games in EU for fucks sake.
>>746020010They've all either hired or became complete faggots that could never make league if they tried now. They've lost the sauce on what people actually like, and even if they did they really only did make it by luck in the first place.
>>746006106I hate F2P games and their shitty, annoying practices to try and trick you into making purchases, but there is now world where the game would do better as a paid game. It had 10 characters on release and no content besides matchmaking. Skullgirls sold for 25$ with the same roster size but a story mode and much better art. 2XKO is worth maybe 15$ max if sold by itself.
>>746014637Propagated the >never nerf, only buff" and made a pathetic shill video for 2XKO
Weren't riot literally paying that dirty jew youtuber to promote this garbage?
>>746012743"King of Top Lane" unironically could've been a kino idea. All the smacky guys are there and Teemo. They could've even added junglers as assists if they needed.
>>746023845>that dirty jew youtuberDo you know how little that narrows anon?
>>746023531>if brown ghouls prefer to sit in matchmaking for 5 minutes or look at discord for matches then so be itThey don't go into matchmaking, they don't play with other people they mash out story modes and arcade then don't play again. And if they find out that the game went to free after they bought it they might not buy the next one which scares publishers. SF6 is the biggest fighting game around for better or for worse and according to trophy stats>25% of people never opened the battle hub>30% of people never opened training mode>60% of people never played a battle hub match>80% of people played less than 30 battle hub games>60% of people played less than 100 ranked/casual mode matchesThese people represent the majority of the revenue and you can't think about them in the same way as people who grind ranked. This is imo why f2p fighting games will never work because these people aren't going to stick around for your live service and won't buy skins either.
>>746023904Max cuck
>>746010114Acting like a girl will get you nowhere in life. You mfs won't get away with this shit because you're men at the end of the day. People will expect you to get shit done and have integrity. If you had some balls, you would say sorry, I fucked up and then move on. But since your whole personality is based on what psychotic women tell you manhood should be you end up acting like a child. Oh, my emotional distress, my tummy hurts. Fuck you. You're never winning. Eat shit. Forever.
What happened to Riot's mmo?
>>746024805Still under development.I think it was relaunched.
>>746023883>KotLeven in the riot universe, dota reigns supreme
>>746024805Gets sent back to the drawing board every other month when every first draft of the idea ends up just looking like a poor man's world of warcraft, and that's not a good thing to be compared to
>>746023508Isn't Lux one of the most popular characters? Among women, probably, so that wouldn't translate at all to fighting game players, but still.
>>746006106holy fucking copium
Doesn't LOL have several hundred heroes at this point?How hard was it launch the game with like 20 fighters especially since it's a tag fighter? What were they even doing?
>>746019308The good ideas are the ones I agree with.
Pendragon lost
>>746013829I like Samira too but her voice lines are almost insufferable. She ends up being lame when she should be cool"Inside every girl is a KWEEN"
>>746004741I've always found this guy extremely annoying so I'm glad people are shitting on him over this.
>>746014356>TWO AXE KOYou made me imagine a parody game featuring Dota's Axe vs Axe
>>746011854what in the fuck, what a horrendous art style
>>746005058Holy shit fpwp.The product literally won't be available to shill, retard.
>>746023508People did ask for Samira because she's just Dante if he was a brief sexo girlboss
>>746013790He used to play Melty Blood on /jp/.
>>746015513I still don't understand why Beowulf's motif is so fucking subdued compared to the other characters, it's like him just being some out of place guy is supposed to be his motif.
Riot trying to expand the LoL IP after retconning all the original lore is so funny to me>play as your favorite characters from the League of Legends universe!>what’s that? I dunno lul
>>746026153jiyuna is a weeb?
>>746026286Never forget that they tried to turn yordles into magical fairies that no races know about and every yordle just has innate magical human disguises
>>746024805died when ghostcrowley left
Why is there no main villain in the game? I want my M Bison function...
>>746022682You’re crazy because this was the best jinx has ever looked
>>746026736Because it’s a Warcraft issue where they keep making big bad villains. >oh well noxus is bad>actually it’s the shadow isles >actually it’s Viego>no no it’s the void >nope the watchers bro>well actually it’s the darkin
I don't like pvp games.Is there a fighting game that has good single player content? I like action games and I know I'm not getting Ninja May Cry Rising from a fighting game but I would like to give fighting games a chance.
>>746010547They picked a bunch of boring faggots instead of ones that would have actually interesting fighting game kits, like I dunno, Veigar or something.They're all boring humans too.
>>746027484Gotta get that arcane and black money. No idea why they keep forcing senna in.
>>746027181Pulling an impressive combo on a dummy does not have the same feel on doing it on someone.
>>746013456BIGDICKOENERGY
>>746012665Riven players are so pathetic.
>>746013302Pat already excommunicated himself because of le evil saudis and le evil chuds and le evil mikez.he always seethes about those opposing his ideology and actively aims to undermine people. This kind of shit is about to leave him completely isolated.No one sane will hire him after this deranged manifesto either.
>>746026409It's funny that they immediately walked it back in LoR because it makes the setting ludicrously dry and boring
>>746025819What are you talking about? 2XKO isn't being delisted, is it?
>>746027873How? Riven was literally one of the best choices. Instead we get fucking CAITLYN
>>746027181>Is there a fighting game that has good single player content?sf6not a fan of it personally, but at least it actually has sp content
>>746006269If even /r/fighters is shitting on you then you definitely did something wrong. That place is full of nothing but wholesome chungus posters where you're not allowed to say bad things about games.
>>746004741I learned this game came out with them announcing it's dead lol. Absolutely zero marketing.>We tried nothing and ran out of ideas
>>746006675the balance was irredeemably shit.
>core gameplay designer of 2xkoLet him starve
>>746028034Explain how is riven any much different than vi.
>>746004741Out of all the fighting games that bombed why is this one instead of say Tokkon? Is it that is had the full backing of all the FGC mafia?
>>746009147he also wrote articles about aggressively ousting people who do not align with your politics from your locals and events.
>>746006675>making the game funExcept he didn't, retard.
>>746027814Didn't ask.
>>746006269He keeps saying Tuko is/was more popular that CotW, Melty, Uni, etc, and the only reason it died was because they were F2P and needed to be at least 10x more popular to make enough money to live compared to paid products. Assuming he's not shitposting, which I don't think he is because he seems sincere, where is he getting this impression? The 2XKO discord? The only time I remember seeing 2XKO break into the mainstream is when northernlion's videos of it started showing up on my feed. He played it for maybe a week.
>>746027814I simply won't play online and will continue to practice against bots.
>>746028653I never said vi shouldn’t be in the game
>>746028653When Riven first came out in league they said they were attempting to mimic the feeling of a fighting game character in a MOBA.
>>746009147KWAB
>>746009782I'll never forgive them for killing Rising Thunder for this
>>746010114he didnt make shit he doesnt even play this turd he created anymore.
>>746028653Vi was actually one of the good picks for the game
>>746011047reminder that all french bread devs still have a job.
>>746004741>Named the game 2XKO, a shitty fucking name that doesn't tell anyone about League of Legends, with the intent to do it for Ekko to try to make him the main face of league and push him super hardThat alone made me never even think about touching this
>>746026339no the man who uses a japanese name, plays blazblue, moved to japan, married a japanese woman and had two children with her is not a weeb.
It's not a bad game it just took about 20x the dev resources that it should have to create said game. Same could be said for Diablo 4.
>>746016385single player subhumans will never let go and the worst thing is that devs are not smart enough to ignore them.virtua fighter is about to be a great dud with a massive tanked budget because they fell for the single player fighter meme.
>>746004741>Yeah I derailed the project and hired all of my talentless friends to do “research” for five years but it was more of a PhD program that I got paid for than a job, really>Please tip meDon’t hire gamers
>>746013456All I want is for this to last more than a year so we can say they lost to DICKO as well
>>746029489>ith the intent to do it for Ekko to try to make him the main face of league and push him super hardOh wow, I never even knew his name or made the connection. As a normie LoL player, I knew the fox girl, but then I was like who is this black guy? 2XKO sounded like such a weird name.
>>746028978He did napkin math with the equation that if 1 out of every 10 people who play a free to play game spend money on cosmetics then that game needs to have a player base 10 times the size of a full priced game to make equivalent revenue.
>>746009147damn, wtf is his problem? does anyone else get major pirate software vibes from this douche
>>746030396both are narcissists. same with phil fish.california breeds this type.
>>746026339He lives in japan LMAO
>>746009220He verifiably made a George Floyd joke but I don’t care about that either
>>746030189On top of all of that he says he’s getting out of game dev. Meaning either nobody will hire him or he wants to go into management, meaning the supposed “PhD” he worked 10 years for is redundant. Hell with this attitude he’d probably insist that you call him Dr. Miller
>>746029889majin obama did all that and it's not a filthy weeb
>>746006106>Awesome fighting game>Tag trash with an awful roster He didn't try at all
>>746030613no woman touches majinobama
>>746030370I meant more like where was he getting the impression that 2XKO was popular at all? It sounds like a case where he thought "well me and my friends played it all the time so it must be popular". Of course you guys did you're the fucking devs.
I don't care about League I just jerk off to Annie and Zoe.Game shit the bed like 10 years ago
>>746026162Because its funny to shit on the core concept of your series by adding a guy who just gets to be on the level everyone else has to suffer to reach for no reason at allSee Azrael in BB using no weapon, fighting under limiters and being retconned to not even know how to fight and still having to be fought 2 v 1 by the MC and a guy explicitly brought in to be a "mary sue" and the explanation is just "lol fuck this setting, just be born better lol"
I can't believe UNI of all things caught a stray because it beat 2XKO's longevity while being completely unrelated to it. Talk about going for low hanging fruit and still failing.
>>746030751After reading the Patreon post I get the impression he and the other devs knew early on that the game would probably never be popular to the extent that Riot wanted. And that they’d probably fire half the team after launch. So why not collect a paycheque for 10 years and just pretend that this will be the next Street Fighter?
>Push away all the casuals by making a tag game>Push away all the compfags by making simple inputs???
The roster sucks butthole, it doesnt appeal to the FGC at all aside from a few picks
>>746031043this was just your typical leftoid american seethe about japan.but yeah its great and deserved. all french bread devs still have a job.
>>746031219it doesn't appeal to anyone, that's why it eos'ing. also, it's fucking ridiculous how in a game with like 15 characters, 3 of them are "girl with a big gun". i guess they're this game's idea of shotos.
>>746005058Oh yes, random patreon fags such as RIOT GAMES.
>>746031074Then why is he talking so much shit here >>746006269 about how his game is super popular and won by every metric, comparing his game to other fighters saying he beat them? Why not just say "yeah we made a game that appealed only to us and fleeced Riot for 10 years for a paycheque".
>>746018161It failed because it was a bad fighting game and had negative marketing power It was like shovelware you see in a thrift store except they spent 10 years on it
Half Game Patrick
>>746006106>>746006269Why can't this bozo just admit defeat
>>746004741RITO rehire this man
>>746018161It's a tag fighter, had almost none of the popular league characters, had NO MARKETING at all, and was ugly in an era where we have SF6 and every Arcsys game since XRD.Also probably one of the most important of all is that it had no single player casual content. Blazblue sold a lot of copies just with its single player content and there are lots of people who only touch world tour in SF6
>>746031729This is advanced function posting
what a stupid name Two Ecks Cay Oh
based honestly, scamming RIOT out of millions of dollars and then fucking off, why are you even mad at this guy?
Interesting. The guy's rants are 1:1 Highguard developer's Twitter meltdown down to>Everyone is to blame but the game itself.
>>746031729That's such a lame and retarded cope, every SF game plays differently to begin withHow can you work on a fighting game without having any interest in looking at how the same character plays in different entries, and what each game's system mechanics entail for them?This guy's straight fucking retarded
>>746032067His taste in characters and mechanics is shit. I don't care about Riot
>>746031729F U N C T I O N SUNCTIONS
>>7460320182XKO is a very clunky name in general to pronounce as well. I think they didn't use the League of Legends brand name because they were afraid of a DNF Duel situation where saying DNF would trigger a DFO sleeper cell to talk about DFO on top of DNF Duel, but it just felt like they got greedy where they managed to differentiate Arcana from LoL.
>>746005676I have to defend RoA2 here. The problem they have is that they want to sell Melee to the masses, that's the goal. They're doing the best they can to make Melee easier to get into, people like you probably complain because you want the game to be something else. No shit it would be more successful if it was something else, like Ultimate. It would also be more successful if it was a gacha, but none of that is their goal. All this could also be true of 2xko, it would be extremely cool if an indie company came up with a game like it, and it would still be alive with somewhere around 10-30 devs. The problem is that 2xko is a behemoth with 160 devs in California, no way it remains profitable.
I do not care for Jinx
>>746032502>a DNF Duel situation where saying DNF would trigger a DFO sleeper cell to talk about DFO on top of DNF DuelThat happens?
>>746004741i never played this hoe cause the only character they added to it that i wanted was Vi.
>>746031935>had NO MARKETING at allI don't understand this cope. Now, I block all ads everywhere, but I did hear people got 2xko ads. But even if they didn't:https://x.com/riotgames/status/2013794725883703432The Riot games account tweeted about it. The Riot website did have links about it. If you play any Riot game, it's not like there are that many, you're bound to notice a new button in the launcher. They had ads during the Game Awards and during Summer Games Fest. Any fighting game event ever was full of 2xko ads non-stop. You had streamers playing it, you had a Sajam Slam. This game has been talked about for a decade, increasing the chances you've heard about it at some point. Lastly, for good or bad all the controversies like the layoffs or even the name itself made people talk about it. Anyone saying this game died because no one knew it existed is coping. People knew, and didn't give a fuck.
>>7460332182XKO was mostly marketed towards the FGC. They should have marketed this game more to normalfags and League fags.
>>746013724With long development time these projects get restarted several times so while it might say 7-8 it is more likely 3 attempts that got abandoned and then picked up again by another team every 2ish years until someone finally says fuck it or they stop being funded entirely.
>>746027181Evil Zone.
>>746033175>2XBitchslap roster
>>746031935>Gintama and KoFFreaking, huh?
>>746005676The funny thing is they had a decent niche with RoA 1 but overexpanded and chased after a broader audience that was never going to stick with their game. Many of the things that made the first game unique were abandoned to make a less fun PM with MTX
>>746033370Does 2xko even have anything normalfags would give a shit about?
>>746034483Good netcode
>>746034483League of Legends skins. I would assume lol is the normiecore of video games at this point.
>>746034483It has characters from the highly acclaimed Arcane season 1.
>>746034789It's funny cause I know what you mean, the Cannon's magical netcode was a selling point. But it's kind of a meme at this point. 10 years ago Jap companies because of corporate red tape and muh traditional Jap hierarchy had always had shit netcode in games until Western devs implemented much better ones and the Japs caved to the pressure.
>>746004741If this faggot truly did this game for the love of fighting games, he would've included the stuff that was essential for fighting games.Arcade mode with endingsSpecial modes that take advantage of vsGallery modesUnlockables through arcade modes.These are the things that provide sovl to a fighting game. Casual still play SFII or the Marvel Vs games exactly because of this. The experience of Arcade mode alone is full of sovl. Here it's a fucking chore to even play an offline match
>>746035104Without a story mode...The joke truly tells itself
>>746035827those are specifically things people who like fighting games dont care about.there are more smoking salarymen playing sagat mirrors in ST right now than there are casuals mashing in single player.
>>746006106he made bbtag with one of the worst control schemes in modern fighters
>>746030613obama is an old school weeb, he loves fate
>>746015812beowulf is not that good and basically never has been, the top tiers have firmly been peacock, ms fortune, double for basically the entirety of the games life span
>>746033175Samira is the last champion they are adding so I guess you got 2.
>>746035827Honestly even those things are just the bare minimum these days.
>>746004741CLAYTON VINDICATED
>>746031547Probably bruised ego.
>>746033370>They should have marketed this game more to normalfags and League fags.league players do not play anything other than league of legends, this was never a viable market to tap into.
Whats there to be angry about?Devs made a game but it didnt sell well so they're ending support.
>>746004741>Yes I wasted someone else's money and time, I ruined people's careers but I don't care>I made a great game btwHoly delusional. Could Riot sue this guy? He basically admitted he was wasting their time and money.
>No Kindred>No Jhin>No Zed>No Jax>No Aatrox>No Renekton or Nasus>No Briar>One single yordle, and it's that obnoxious faggot>Not a single void championThis dev team is going to hell
>>746012215>Lee Sin>part of the OG ROOSTERNeeeeeeeewfaaaaaaag
>>746034356The opposite. The first game chased a broad audience. RoA2 is, again, Melee 2. At most they're trying to convince a broad audience that Melee is better than other platfighters, and that their melee is better than the actual Melee. If they wanted a broader audience, they'd make RoA1 but in 3D.
>>746019916it's chuuni kino, and the abbreviation UNI or Under Night sounds cool on it's own. these niggas really wanted people to say TUKO
>>746036698it's just fun to see genuine narcissist schizo out
>>746037004Without a big IP to draw an audience they’ll never do anything close to Smash Bros numbers.
>>746028909i had fun playing against my friends and doing funny wallbounce combos with Braum in the betanever actually downloaded it after launch though so i dunno how much the balance changed
>>746036543you're right, wow. i hope she's cool, at least.
>>746014262Sett is a boring chinese nigger, and Samira is literally a more boring/brown Katarina clone. I could see an argument for adding Samira as a skin, or asidegrade like how smash bros has Mario and Dr, Mario.
>>746028978>where is he getting this impression?tournament entrant numbers at Evo and shit. he's talking about popularity in the fgc i guess, no clue what the popularity among casualcattle is
>>746035827He's not a fighting games lover he's "FGC". That specifically means all he cares about is a proper ranked system, good netcode, and whatever flavor of fighting gameplay niche he's into. In his case it's tag autism. All the actual stuff that sold fighting games back in the 90's during the golden age don't matter at all to these people.
>>746031043should i try to pick up uni again.... i bought it on launch but matchmaking was all fucked up so all i did was grind londrekia combos for hours in training mode and never get them consistent
>>746036461Do not respond to waifu autists their brains are permanently broken.
>>746037401422pbp
>>746037401where's the cool game?
>>746004741Really though, how much could it possibly have cost them to just keep the game on once it was out? It looked really bad to me, but surely it pulled in at least some money even if it would take maybe a decade to recoup the dev costs.
>>746036656Where did all the Runeterra/Riftbound players come from? >but Runeterra flopped!!!It never flopped. It released with a f2p payment model that was actually too generous. They couldn't justify continuing development and it was way too late to change without pissing people off. Kind of what happened to 2XKO.
>>746014194>(i have no idea who he is)You put some respect on maoki's name secondary faggot, and poppy should take tristana's or vigar's place>>746014121>zed without shen>darius without garenBad roster, still better purely because it has more variance and characters but still a bad roster
>>746037641>Where did all the Runeterra/Riftbound players come from?card players from other games? you think league of legends players are playing TCG's?????????????
>>746037629They ARE keeping the game on (for now). The announcement is that they're ceasing development, aka firing the rest of the dev team. So no more characters, stages, balance patches, whatever. They game is out and you get what you get.
>>746014121>only 5 waifuslame
>>746014274>nobody in this thread played itI have>muh net codeLiterally irrelevant when the game is bad and unfun>it's just that everybody hates league, rightfully so. everyone knows that fighting game palyers play dotaThat's the problem tho, i love league and alot of others do, the problem is that the game didn't appeal to league fags or hardcore fighting fags, and it has no content or PVE for casual fags, it's genuinely jarring how bad the game is
Someone check in on Sajam...
They didn't have basic switch or pro controller support which was such a massive whiff I stopped immediately after booting it up for the first time and never touched it again. I have xbox controllers and a fightstick but if you're not going to do the bare fucking minimum and support 3 different kinds of controller on LAUNCH you don't deserve my time.
>>746037629Riot probably viewed it as, if it takes X time to recoup costs, it's better to just rip off the bandage and use the money/time that would have been spent keeping the lights on to try to invest in the next project. It wasn't my kind of game, but this kind of shit happens a lot when a company is full of corpo cucks just playing the lottery trying to get the next big thing at the cost of goodwill and the fanbase.
>>746004741>Here's some quick napkin math to explain the situation: If a game charges $60 base price, then its average revenue per player is at least $60, plus whatever the sell rate and amount is for season passes and whatnot. If a game is free-to-play, then the average revenue per user is much lower; actual numbers depend on the game's monetization strategy and retention rates, but it's pretty common to see something like 80% of players paying nothing, 10% of players making a single small transaction, and the remaining 10% of players spending enough to sustain operations and make a profit. The average revenue per user is usually closer to cents or single-digit dollars; for every single user who bought a skin or a battle pass, eight or nine others didn't. In order for a free-to-play game to make an equivalent amount of money to a paid game, then, it needs to have somewhere around ten times as many players at least.I am not in the least bit surprised this retard (whos final title before being fired was live balance producer) doesn't understand the concept of player retention or whales. You don't need ten times the playerbase to earn money. apex doesn't have ten times the playerbase of call of duty but apex is far more profitable than COD. You need a good game that people want to play for a long time and you need things people want to spend money on. As far as I'm aware 2xk0 missed both marks.
>>74603762980 devs at san california wages?about a million a month minimum.
>>746014274>the fact that it has the best netcode of any fighter alone should have been a selling pointThis is extremely embarrassing for the genre. Imagine if it was any other genre>This MOBA is better than LoL and DOTA because... it has better netcode>You should play our new hero shooter, it's better than Marvel Rivals and Overwatch because... the netcode is goodthey would be laughed at.
>>746004741I still don’t know why people are acting surprised that Riot killed this off. People were already calling it dead when they got rid of half the team right after the game came out
>>746038239>A million a month over 10 years>The final product, intended to be an enduring live service title will cease development in a yearThis is why the industry is in the damn state it’s in.
>>746036091Appealing to just competitive faggots lands you exactly in this position. I believe that has been made pretty clear with this game.
>>746014274Netcode would have been a huge selling point in 2020 if it released after 4 years of development instead of 2026 after 10There's literally dozens of games with good rollback now, including random indies no one has heard of, good netcode is a requirement now not a selling point
>>746038545People were already calling it dead during the closed betas, when content creators were getting less views from 2xko videos and streams than from random SF6 content. People then called it dead again with the PC open beta which had tons of issues and because they added ghosts from other lobbies to your lobby to make lobbies appear less empty. Then they called it dead yet again when the console version came out with massive screen tearing and even the PC version had memory leaks and didn't work on AMD hardware. By the time they fired half of the team, it was already over for a while
>>746004741>i'd rather make an interesting flop than a boring successmy brother you made a boring flop, you somehow ended up with the worst of both worlds
>>746032663huh? they are trying to appeal to all smash players and obviously primarily p+/melee but their goal is (or should be) to make a game that people enjoy and play, not necessarily "melee 2"people said from the beta that floorhugging is not fun. everyone complained non stop and when people stopped complaining it was because they had stopped playing.ask the head dev if he could go back and make it more "ultimate-like" so that he didn't have to lay off all his friends and stop taking a salary for a year when he has a newborn. if you are running a company your goal should be to make a game people want to play period, not channel your "vision"
>>746012215The roster was clearly aiming to take advantage of Arcane. Only problem is that they released the game 5 fucking years after season 1 ended and more than a year after season 2 ended.
>>746004741reading through this blog is insane.Its the prototypical "im very smart" gamer who really is not as smart as he thinks.20 paragraphs of stream-of-concious "its not my fault, and I'm still a 'fighting game expert'."If you wonder how people "fail upwards" in the game dev industry, this is it. Just know the right people and never admit its your fault.
>>746028034Riven players deserve nothing good for their overpowered braindead character.
>>746038709>>A million a month over 10 yearsno no, they had 150+ people working on it at some point lmao.its the fighting game concord.
>>746039096>if you are running a company your goal should be to make a game people want to play period, not channel your "vision"But this board hates when companies dumb down their games to cater to a broad modern audience. Is that really what you want? Isn't that the major issue the FGC has with all modern fighters? I thought what we wanted was to try to make the broad audiences see why our games are cool, not change our games so that casuals feel comfortable. That's where Pat went wrong. He should have gone all in, but instead added simple controls which alienated the hardcore audience he was chasing.
>>746038874no because this game was utterly dogshit for people who like competitive games.
>>746039382>That's where Pat went wrongyeah THAT'S where he went wrong
>>746039382you're strawmanning.The board wants GOOD DEVELOPERS to have freedom to create something fun and interesting.What we got: unlimited Riot resources and likely meddling, given to shitty developers who only got their job from FGC nepotism.
>>746022682Ahri is pure sex though, played this game a lot after the lauch just because of her.
>>746039382it was a game with baby inputs and braindead anti neutral shit like active tag and weak movement.project lel IS a dumbed down modern game in literally every way.
>>746039382>Is that really what you want?what I want is irrelevant. if you're making a multiplayer live-service game, it does not exist if people don't play it.if the options are appeal to a small audience that aren't able to support the game or create a broader appealing game that keeps it online, then you are choosing for something to either exist or not exist.I would say that a game existing (even if I don't play it) is better than a game not existing
>>746018196>wasn't marketed wellTbf i did see a bunch of pop ups about whenever i loaded into league/tft, they used the same client so anyone who played league did see it, the problem is that anyone who played league and tried this piece of shit immediately bounced off myself included, and i did try to give the game a chance but it's just bad>>746018161>Someone explain it to me because it just doesn't make sense. I haven't played it or paid attention to it (haven't really touched a fighting game since usf4 and xrd), but it looked like it was an okay game.The devs scammed riot and didn't do any meaningful work in the past 10 years, the game released with a shitton of problems but the 2 main ones are 1) a severe lack of content, literally no game modes characters or a meaningful fun moveset for a game that was in development for 10 years this shit is pathetic. And 2) the base game was unfun, since there was no content everyone couldn't cope with this point since the game is just not fun to play no matter how you spin it
>>746013482Nah, they did good with Teemo.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8-Uw_sypMs
>>746039914>>746040051I know the retard failed at doing it. But anon was saying he shouldn't have even tried, he should have done a safe broad appeal game instead. Again, is that what you guys wanted to play? Aren't there enough games like that already? And the initial post was about RoA2, at least that one can sustain itself because if you want a niche Melee-like game it does it far better than 2xko did at trying to be a niche Marvel-like
>>746036091>>those are specifically things people who like fighting games dont care about.We need to separate people who like fighting games and competitive FGC heads.The vast majority of people who really like and play fighting games appreciate all of those because there's times they don't want to sweat.
>>746040270I for sure didnt want to play the delusional clusterfuck of a narcissist guilty gear fag influenced by a marvel tard.This game never aimed for greatness. Rising Thunder, the game and studio Riot bought was way better than this.You are believing the words of a egomaniac liar in cope mode.
>>746040362if you dont want to play against other people you boot up a single player game that was designed for single player, rather than some tacked on shit that plays like ass because the genre was never designed for it.and this has literally nothing to do with competitive fgc.
people who like fighting games dont use terms like "sweat".
>>746040642>because the genre was never designed for it.Your point still stands but let me be a pedant autist about it. The very first Street Fighter, Yie Ar Kung-Fu before it, the very first Fatal Fury, and Warzard are all fighting games designed for single player.
>>746040742true but they buy the games anyway for some reason, if you can't convince them to buy your game then it'll be a commercial flop
>>746004741not reading all that, but laying off half the team 3 weeks in basically means this game was never given a chance by anyone
>>746040642It's about options and pressure. There are a ton of people that buy fighting games because they like the genre and gameplay and don't feel the need for competitive play. You also have the people that like singleplayer and multiplayer but don't want to climb on the ladder while learning a character.Arcade mode is perfect for that gap where you want to get comfortable training with a character without labbing or fumbling against someone online.Don't even get me started on smaller games or what happens when online dies down. You absolutely need decent singleplayer content and people pretending otherwise want to act like SFV wasn't blasted for this issue when it first came out.
>>746037379Launch was fucked on PC but got fixed in like 3 weeks.We're currently waiting in limbo for Zohar and the universal nerf patch to drop on some random tues/thursday next month before TGS.
>>746037401When he is going to release the cool game?
>>746040270I mean thats life.He's just not good enough as a creator.He was given a chance that many people would kill for, and he failed miserably.And he has an immense ego despite all this, so its easy to see why people are laughing at him.
>>746037629If they haven't shut down LoR they won't shut down 2XKO. They are in perpetual maintenance mode.
>>746040823SF1 is so bad its a miracle that they ever greenlit 2.
>>746039914Even the grifter on patreon said there was no executive meddling. Riot essentially gave them a blank check to do whatever they wanted for 5 years. By year 6 Riot was wondering what took so long and put project managers on the team, but even they were pretty hands off since they trusted the grift brothers. By the time Riot pulled the plug, it was too late.This is really just a lesson that middle management is important and to never let "ideas guys" have full reign of vidya development.
>>746040642That's fucking stupid. If fighting games weren't designed to be single player, they would've never included a single player mode to begin with. Ever since SFII arcade mode existed because most players want to live through an experience that resemble surpassing obstacles in order to win a prize. And this hasn't changed as seen how Capcom was pressured into including Arcade mode to SFV after the og version was received like ass.
>>746040875Makes me wonder why they didn't just cancel it after the first five years.
>>746041262i've been thinking of getting into this game but it looks kinda complicated, what's the most retard-proof character i can start with?i heard the sol function (hyde?) is actually not very noob-friendly, at least in the older versions
So rule #1, anything the Cannon brothers touch turn to shit.Got it.
>>746041118if a multiplayer game runs out of players people simply need to move on rather than keep some gay farce up.and for retards who want to mash without "pressure" against braindead cpu sfv launched with a shitty survival mode.the game committed an actual sin in being unplayable against other people at launch.
>>746041958>This is really just a lesson that middle management is important and to never let "ideas guys" have full reign of vidya development.this is why i really hate what happened.because this is NOT the lesson.The lesson is: don't give EVO tournament organizers + their friends unlimited money when they've never proven they can develop a game before.when you give the original Street Fighter devs this freedom, they create an entire genreIOW give actually talented + skilled developers the shot, not the LA FGC players clique
>>746041972arcade mode existed because arcade cabinets couldnt guarantee human opponents so they added shitty input reading cpu fights but ultimately its like playing poker against the computer. soul- and pointless, even if its an option.
>>746027998Actual retard
>>746040270>But anon was saying he shouldn't have even tried, he should have done a safe broad appeal game instead. Again, is that what you guys wanted to play?All the anons saying shit like this are just giga retards who wanna join in on a pile on but don't understand what people actually didn't like about the game so they just latch onto random details from the blog post. Imagine getting mad at a dev for NOT making the game more soulless lowest common denominator gacha slop for the fortnite audience.
>>746042362>Imagine getting mad at a dev for NOT making the game more soulless lowest common denominator gacha slop for the fortnite audience.but they did just that
>>746042183>because this is NOT the lesson.Having a project manager to keep tabs on the game would've prevented this problem.
game died because my goat talon wasn't in it
>>746042461and anons are saying they should have made it EVEN MORE like that
>>746042076Anyone not named>Carmine>Vatista>Seth>Yuzu>Hilda>ChaosAre all applicable to be easy to pick-up and play, so pick your poison. Wagner and Izumi are pretty fucking easy off the top my head.>Hyde is not actually noob friendlyHe had even less delay windows on his buttons in prior versions and his conversion power midscreen was pretty difficult. UNI2 alleviated a lot of his execution requirements so he's been branded as a mindless gorilla, which is slightly warranted.Yet I don't see anyone taking tournaments with him aside from Defiant and he's won with like 3-4 characters other than Hyde too.
>>746006106>making moneky is someone else's jobwhat is this guy's job
>>746018243based
>>746042301>arcade mode existed because arcade cabinets couldnt guarantee human opponentsFrom the looks of it, nothing has changed considering lobbies for all these FGC shit fighting games are empty.>they added shitty input reading cpu fights but ultimately its like playing poker against the computeIrrelevant. In the year 2026, after all the advance in memory and AI tech, this is no longer an excuse. If anything Arcade modes should be more sofisticated than ever.
how hard is he going to defend the devs today?
Combofiend must feel amazing now that he isn't the worst spokesperson in FGC history anymore.
>>746043005Combofiend made bank with the PS4 Spiderman game and even got his boy Taskmaster in a boss. I don't think he cares anymore.
>>746043005combofiend was still on the team so fuck him
as retarded as this faggot is, riot is still 99% to blame because they had him on payroll for 3 years, during which time he did literally nothing and they still continued to pay and employ him
>>746042984Sajam is smart enough to not open up the can of worms, he'll just say "I thought they did a good job, I'm not a game dev so I can't say much but I imagine there's give and take to these things. Anyways, let's hop on Deadlock"
>>746042693thank you, anoni think i might try Orie then, if she's not on that listi always had a thing for rapier waifus
>>746023508>reddit spacing>retarded opinionIt wasn't rito, it was the retarded devs and people have been asking for samira, especially one famous league ""content creator"".Right on the mark for lux though >>746025015I think the idea was to put her in for the potential to add beach skins, not that it mattered in the end
>>746004741I'm not read all that. I don't care. I knew the game was done when they went all-in on Arcane characters.
>>746025108>What were they even doing?Using riot's money to pay for sex with ahari cosplayers>>746026736Mordkaiser is the closest you have to that
>>746030172The only subhumans are multiplayer fags who think you should buy a new fucking game every 2 months just to keep up with some gay online rankfest acting as a second job rather than playing games for fun. I fucking swear, online multiplayerfags are the most deranged retarded freaks I've ever seen. They don't play games for fun. It's literally a second job to them.
>>746043309Oh yeah, Orie is a pretty solid pick. She's got incredible pokes, is safe on a ton of stuff, can enforce setplay with meter, and her execution is limited to tiger knee stuff. Also has an infuriatingly fast back-walk speed that basically is a built in defensive mechanism to avoid certain forms of pressure.UNI has a really involved mission/combo trial mode and is also the only one that I know of that gets frequently updated with actually optimal combos by the end of it.
>>746043161I don't know, he was dumb enough to say that Riot hated the game from the start despite them giving the devs 10 years and all they had to show for it was a game that was barely half finished. I won't be surprised if he defends this game until his dying breath
>>746042584I'm pretty sure they had their fair share of project managers in the 100+ people team.
>>746038043Why did he shill twocock so much anyway? You think he actually liked it or was he just supporting his FGC buddies
>>7460381542XKO's solution to the money problem was $100 skin bundles lole
>>746043005Nah, combofiend was based. Only faggots care about the skin you use. Fortnite understood this perfectly which is why they sell their products as it is. A fucking skin
>>746042646they dont. you are trying to set up a false dichotomy.
>>746042925>considering lobbies for all these FGC shit fighting games are empty.????????
>>746042984he should be fucking pissed at those retards.he burned all bridges for that dogshit game and now they revealed they made it shit on purpose and didnt give a fuck at all.
>>746004741ITT>fighting games should try to appeal to non fighting games players>2XKO failed because it didn't get LOL players to try it>single player modes are necessaryThird Strike is still being played despite having no update or support, no single player or anything.We just need good games, they don't need to sell to half the planet. MK games sell a lot but they get dropped hard after release. Poverty fighters are great and they are the future.Jiyuna is right on this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsw_O3iq5es
>>746006269>we had more evo entrants!>no you didn't actually>heh....evo entrants are all that matter to u huh....God damn I hate niggers like this
You do not have a real game if the only mode is lobby matchesStart over and try again
>>746045794>Start over and try againSure. See you in ten years!
>>746027181>I'm not getting Ninja May Cry Rising from a fighting gamedoa literally has ryu hayabusa in itmvc3 has dante and viewtiful joeanarchy reigns has bayonetta
