How do Mass Effect fans still cope about Mass Effect 3 being ''good'' when it was the game that killed the trilogy and the series? Everything about Mass Effect 3 is worse than the two first superior games. Is it some millennial nostalgia coping that ME3 was ever good?
>>746011461By acknowledging that ME2 is the best entry in the series
>>746011545ME2 being better doesn't change the fact ME3 FUCKING SUCKED ASS!!
>>746011461ME3 fans mainly exist because of historical revisionism and this board's need to be contrarian. There was also a vocal minority of people saying that only the ending was bad and the rest of the game was good, if someone says this they you should just nod and ignore them like they are a mentally challenged toddler showing you some shit they smeared on a wall.The only other ME3 defenders are those that blame ME2 for not expanding the plot and therefore leaving ME3 to wrap everything up. To some extent I do agree, ME1 ends with the Reapers are coming and ME2 ends with the Reapers are coming. That being said Hudson was the retard who wanted a trilogy instead of a franchise, he also wanted the games to come out on the same console generation so you reap what you sow.
>>746011461>>746011350
>>746011461I still don't get the obsession with Reapers. They are not interesting, at all. Just say they were indefinitely delayed after ME1 and eventually arrive and kill everyone Eldritch Horror style at some random point in the future, but functionally it will never happen since games won't cover itMake each game a different adventure, exactly just like Star Trek/Stargate episodes areMass Effect 2 was perfect at this, having many cool separate stories with a light overall narrative to tie them together season finale likeOther games should work this same. Eventually you get to make a new MC, Shepard can show up in crossover episode
>>746011461It killed the series, but it did not kill the trilogy. Besides, good stories need to have an ending. Or what, did you want the franchise to continue in perpetuity forever? They tried doing that with Andromeda, and look how that turned out.
>>746011461Andromeda killed the series anon, 3 just had consequenceless choices, cringe dialogue, a lazy ending and questionable dlc
>>7460124533 didnt have a ending it was just ''Now adventure Shepard with DLC!!!'''
>>746011545FPBP.ME1/2 is the pinnacle of vidyas. ME3 ruined everything but it didn't make the previous games bad.
It’s been 14 years and this board is quite literally the only place left on the internet that still hates ME3
>>746011461>Mass Effect fansno such thing exists. definitely not after 3, at best you have people who liked 1 and 2
>>746012525Andromeda isn't even that bad. Just like Dragon Age Inquisition is not all that bad.
>>746011461Westurd games are distinctiveIy ugly
>ME3 didnt even have Krogan squad member That game was just so lame lmao
>>746011802They exist because there was always a lower common denominator below the placement of the franchise up until ME3, ready to eat slop as soon as BioWare decided to dumb the franchise down for them. I noticed a lot of 'bro' guys in high school started talking about Mass Effect when it came out in 2012. They bought it on PS3 with no idea of the rest of the series, because "It's a sick shooter" and it came out shortly after CoD that year or something. I just remember 3 bros buying "Mass 3" in London when we went there, and then asking me "Yo anon, wanna play some Mass over skype tonight?"
>>746012525I hate that this is sort of true, because the lowest common denominator thought 3 was good except the ending, but it took Andromeda to make journos and gamers go>"OHNONONONO HAHAHAHA"but while some say 2 was the cardinal sin, I won't argue it isn't where it was derailed but the game was pretty cool, and not completely soulless. ME3 wasn't soulless either, but it really was where the franchise just hit a wall and couldn't recover unless you unfucked it somehow. And from where I stand Andromeda was pretty shit but it did more to recover the brand than it actually did to damage it.On one hand there's things in Andromeda so painfully mediocre that I can't even play it for long without turning it off. But on the other hand it also has some cool ideas and a return to a slightly more ME1-styled thing. And people getting filtered only because the production sucks just shows what a bunch of midwits everyone were. ME3 already has writing that is as horrid as Andromedas. Not as obviously bad, but when you think about it, it is pretty fucking bad. And Andromeda only made people mad because it's too "LE QUIRKY" and the faces look awful. But in terms of the IP itself, this means very little to me. Nothing about 1 Mass Effect game hitting the wrong tone and failing its actual game development means the franchise is irrecoverable to me. It just means that they're 1 game away from proving that wrong.ME3 was not that. ME3 was taking the remainder of any potential the series had, and just running it into the ground, or parking it in the laziest spot they could reach, and expecting people to give them awards for it. The ambition-to-failure ratio is so much higher with ME3, and the failures are so much more devastatning than ANYTHING that happens in Andromeda.And I especially hate it because journos did nothing but defend, and pretend about ME3, and then Andromeda, it's as if they prepared to course-correct themselves to show "look we can dunk on Mass Effect!".
>>746012862https://youtu.be/om6QZVMX9-M
>>746011545me3 was just dealing with the consequences of a disaster that was me2
>>746016280The whole explaination why ME3 cut every squad member introduced from ME2 was literally because ''we felt lazy''.
>>746011461Mass Effect was never good. Neither was Dragon Age
>>746011461All I remember about ME3 was it being disappointing and the ending being such garbage it made the entire trilogy not worth playing
>>746016280not really, me2 was essentially a spin off/side story that got treated as a sequel. Everything wrong with me3 is it's own fault
>>746016598ask AI to proofread your posts before you make them, ESLbrome2 was a terrible sequel which did nothing to set up me3, that's why they had to throw together a dlc which comes down to "lol, we didn't need sovereign, we are still coming"
>>746011461It's easy - I've only played the first game.
>>746011461I liked the multiplayer way more than I thought I would
>>746011461>Everything about Mass Effect 3 is worse than the two first superior games.absolutely not. 2 has the most shallow gameplay of them all. yes, even worse than andromeda. also me3 is at least a mass effect game. me2 is a side story set in the same world but it has nothing to do with the main plot. you can play me1>me3 and miss nothing important.
>>746011461why are you making mass effect threads daily?
>>746017265>main plotcancer
>>746016748This.ME2 furthered the plot of the Reapers. Before we knew nothing except that the cycle exists. Now we know they reproduce through the species they slay, and we have a potential macguffin in the Collector Base if we kept it, which to me seems like a great opportunity to distinguish the Paragon/Renegade run of ME3 between whether Cerberus ends up making headway in an "unethical manner, but it stops the invasion" or Cerberus is the enemy and "we must make sacrifices in order to come out on top of the invasion with our morals intact" etc, but with more heroic deaths and sacrifices.What they could have done with ME2/3 was treat ME2 like the Morrigan Ritual in Dragon Age Origins, and ME3 like the Archdemon Fight and Epilogue of that story. Use ME2 to plant the seeds of a lot of things that roughly decides whether the player just wants to survive at the cost of something heroic, or if we're heroic and selfless enough to go down with the ship if we save other people, and then largely decide things in ME3 based on that choice template.They did do that for some parts. I love how keeping Maelon's Data or destroying it entirely determines if Eve survives or not. That's how I wanted everything to matter in 3, but it's a strangely minor choice from ME2 that ends up having larger impact than the Rachni Queen or the Council decision from ME1, and it shouldn't have been like that.The minor choices should've had a notable effect, and the major choices (Rachni, Council, Human Councilor, Collector Base) should've had huge moments somewhere in ME3 where it changes an entire scene or two into a slightly alternative scenario, and it wouldn't have needed to balloon the scope of the project to achieve it.And otherwise, ME3's issues don't really stem from ME2's lack of whatever. They stem from BioWare once again deciding that ME3 needs to be its own coat of paint. It suddenly has to be almost a different genre, like a sad war story instead of a sci-fi space opera.
>>746011461The crazy thing about ME discussion will always be hearing for years about how ME1 is "le hardcore rpg" only to actually finally play it and see that all the rpg mechanics are just vestigial time wasters. The rpg mechanics were already nearly totally gone.2 still the best.
>>746012209This. The reason me2 is good is because it mostly ignored the main plot.
>>746012952Yea cost i killed them both asap
>>746017467play a different series then. mass effect is just as story driven as it is character driven.
>>746011461>How do Mass Effect fans still cope about Mass Effect 3 being ''good'' when it was the game that killed the trilogy and the series?Andromeda killed the series, not 3
>>746016280I can think of multiple ways that ME3 could pick up where ME2 leaves off and not be total dogshit while also keeping it the final part of a trilogy, even though that's the biggest fucking thing that fucked them over.
>>746011461Combat is better than the other two games combined. When Combat makes up 80% of the game, it's pretty easy to enjoy 3.
>>746011461Andromeda killed ME tho.
>>746018029You're a casual piece of shit and you're responsible for vidya's massive nosedive in the late 00s/early 10s.
>>746017703you played the game wrong
>>746018068ME3* killed ME
>>746018131For liking the game in the series that is the least VN?
>>746018446dumb. the reason andromeda was such a letdown was because there was still huge hype for the franchise.
>>746018446absolutely not, this is revisionism
>>746017536thematically, I think it still stays on point until the ending. It always was going to end on the power of friendship or badass hero saves the day against all odds, but this was at the time where all western writing got incredibly insecure and self-conscious that they had to be subversive and totally original>oh whats that anon? You predicted how this was going to end? Well surpise! Shepard loves cock! Oh you thought this was going to be happy ending? Surprise! I'm such an original writer that I took random endings from other popular mediums and tried to pass them off as my own!What really kills me3 is the atrocious pacing, repetitive themes (every fucking mission is the same thing over and over, oh fuck its all over; oh fuck shepard help us; wow you saved the day, have some war assets). Also it didn't help that the writer giving into every marketing consultants demand like a simp over a twitch streamer, filling the universe with real life celebrities with wooden acting.The only moments that are any good are moments with the original crew, whenever I play through with it I feel like an out of touch old man hanging out with his friends that are still alive, while the rest of the cast dabs on the chopped unc
>>746013207Mass Effect 3 is my least favorite title in the series, no question. It's the most streamlined one by far and even had a "no choice" mode removing the defining feature of the series so you could play it like a traditional shooter to draw casuals. You can tell that design choice ended up having a impact for the rest of the game with the way conversation wheels ended up neutered (reducing it to just Paragon vs Renegade when there was previously a middle ground) or just straight up removed (ie. Normandy "conversations"), not to mention, the way it drastically reduced your squad mates compared to ME2. The game felt more like a hollow rip-off of other trending AAA shooters at the time rather than a genuine Mass Effect continuation.
>>746019019>thematically, I think it still stays on point until the ending. It always was going to end on the power of friendship or badass hero saves the day against all odds, but this was at the time where all western writing got incredibly insecure and self-conscious that they had to be subversive and totally originalI also think by the time we complete Rannoch ME3 always starts to feel like "Maybe this isn't so bad", ignoring how Rannoch is a little hokey for a second. Because as you say, it's managed to keep a throughline of "uniting the galaxy" but honestly I'm not sure about it other than its euphoric feeling.The first time I cured the Genophage I felt like I was being served McDonalds by a 5-star restaurant, and Rannoch I didn't hate so much as I just kinda went "Oh Legion died..." and didn't know or really care why because the dialogue was so generally meh to me.ME2 wasn't like that, and ME1 wasn't like that either. ME2 there's definitely coherency issues, like how they're asking us to recruit all those crewmen but they don't actually have a scene that runs through the dossiers. It's just in the questlog, and it's like "Who is 'The Convict'??? What am I doing on a prison ship??" but then that's a few pages in the book skipped per character that's made up by excellent demonstration of who they are, and the simple premise of the game.ME3 feels like it wants to be the alpha and omega of everything, and that's the wrong approach. Mac Walters asking the writers "We're resolving the GENOPHAGE!" and just handing a note to the Genophage Lead (John Dombrow) saying "You're gonna resolve this backstory!" and what vision/direction were anyone left with then, but to make every single chapter of the game feel like its own completely disjointed 3-act story? That's the approach they took with Tuchanka, but it really should not have been written like that.
It's nice to see people still talking about Mass Effect... I'm replaying ME 1 with the Legendary Edition, but with a lot of mods I never played with before
>>746018968ME3 has worst writing in the game franchise
>>746020250It should've been more like>Reapers are here but how do we beat them?>Shepard, it's Mordin. Can't talk, come to Salarian homeworld etc.>Potential help from Krogan, and lead on a Reaper Base on Tuchanka. Vast knowledge. Lead on how to defeat them!>Commander, Mordin's right. It's the best lead we've got, let's follow him.>The Krogan aren't gonna like this Shepard... they'll think we're using them like sacrificial lamb to save the other species.>No, no, wrong advice! Everyone aboard Normandy please listen. Help my work, help your species, Krogan can be cured some day if we defeat Reapers first!>But you've always defended your work on the Genophage, Mordin?>Yes, yes. But getting old. Reaper presence has ways to... give second thoughts. Could be the end tomorrow! Either way, can't cure it. That was long ago!You go to Reaper Base on Tuchanka and it's kinda like a mini suicide mission with a coordinated attack needed, and old faces show up over 3-4 missions. There's an artefact at the center which can build the superweapon. Most live through this chapter, and prepare for the Final Assault for later in the game.>Final Assault>You've also helped the other speciesAs part of the final rush, everyone's in line on Earth or the Citadel (wherever it is)>The opportunity to cure the Genophage comes up.>Opportunity to convert Reaper-geth code to healthy code comes upCorrect decisions unlock these options>Epilogue>20 minutes of "post-game" exploration/cutscenes, shows how the aftermath of the war has people working on a Cure or Sabotage it. Whether the Geth are enslaved, destroyed or freed. All depends on the build-up over the course of the story, not "Escapades" that happened and resolved themselves prior to the finale.
>>746018131its funny that mass effect 2s combat is glaringly and objectively just a worse version of 3s and no one on v acknowledges this. you can make a cause for 1 vs 3 because 1 has the individual cooldowns and some other stuff but 3 is just a straight upgrade over 2 in terms of gameplay
>>746017536>ME2 furthered the plot of the Reapers.No, it created a plot where there didn't need to be any while blowing up the foundations that ME1 had built itself on.
>>746018729Yes. It was never an action shooter.
>>746020760Because it isn't true. The encounter-design is more strategic and thoughtful in 2, and the enhancements made to the "feel" of combat in 3 are ultimately meaningless when the encounter design sucks and enemies are thrown right in front of you in most levels, or every room results in some type of horde mode. Parts 2's combat are actually tower defense, and gives really fun RPG opportunities to flex the classes, where you have to pick off enemies at distance using either snipers or guns, or your abilities before your cover is blown. In 3 the combat feels really mindless in a lot of levels and everything is loud and annoying. The guns feel overly experimental and weird, like a lack of thoughtful design went into whatever they decided to go ahead and implement.
>>746020838Nah. Its biggest miss is not characterizing the Terminus Systems as a larger political faction in the series, to flesh out the lore beyond 1 and potentially set up an internal conflict in the universe to contrast the invasion in 3. Instead of this they doubled down on micro conflicts and the Genophage and the Geth, which ends up being rather consistent with 1, while setting up Cerberus as something more than just a cookie cutter side quest thing, to the point where Cerberus is just an entirely new faction of lore in the second game, and kinda doesn't even matter to 1.The problem then is that 3 largely pretends ME2 didn't happen, and proceeds to reframe Cerberus as the generically evil backdrop villains they used to be, and dumbs down the micro-conflicts to piecemeal resolutions that continually undermines the tension in the central plot, and then they also proceed to drop any development they made on the Reapers from 2, and avoid explaining anything about them for 99% of the game, only to have the Catalyst introduced in the final sequence and try and create a new plot for the series out of thin air at the 11th hour of everything.Those issues are 3's issues, not ME2's.
>>746011461I enjoyed most of 3, the problem with 2 story-wise is it almost felt like filler. The worst thing about 3 isn’t the ending it’s characters like James should never exist much less be one of the few squadmates
>>746020930mass effect 3 features far more viable and fun power and weapon combos than 2. ending the class restrictions and adding far more detonador and powers that work against more defense types was a massive upgrade. I would respond to your individual points but everything you said is pretty much a subjective vaguery so its not really worth discussing
>>7460165983 was a rush job made in 2 years. It’s a miracle it turned out as good as it did with DLCs later helping to improve the game.
>>746011461the overwhelming majority of fans moved on over a decade ago, so whoever's left probably has some really shit taste
>>746021489ME3 has nothing good.
>>746011461three is a lot better than andromeda, which is what actually killed the series
>>746021407The detonator/combo is candy. It doesn't heighten the experience after 30 hours. It gets tiresome and repetitive, and annoyingly loud, same as how they added Shepard going "OOOOAAAH" every time I do Charge, and then Nova looks so cool, until you've locked yourself into "Nova->Charge->Nova" for 30 hours to cheese the shield replenishment, and forgotten what gave combat suspense.Then you replay the trilogy again and remember "Oh right, actual strategy was happening in 2."And ME1 and ME2 also have bosses. 3 has scripted story enemies like Kai Leng or the Rannoch Reaper. I much prefer Saren (without the Horde Mode spawns from Legendary Edition), The Human Reaper or Collector Praetorians, or Tela Vasir, to all of these.The Clone Shepard fight is pretty good though, but I don't always do Citadel DLC because I think it's so depressing that they had to strip the entire story out of the game to make a DLC with all the characters they failed to utilize properly.
>>746011461It was pretty great after being a latecomer and playing it like five years after it came out while already being spoiled. I imagine the people at the time were rightfully pissed off at the ending though. Also the coop was really fun, fuck them for removing it from the rerelease.
>>746021591The ones who keep bitching about ME2 all day for sure. The reason people left wasn't 2. The franchise started getting really popular with that one. But 3 was hyped, because of 2, and due to more marketing, and then only the multiplayer fans stuck around, and most generic gamers and core Mass Effect fans moved on through 2012 and 2013 because the ending alienated the whole fandom.
>>746021632You are a primitive.
>>746021786>the one that dumbed everything down for console cattle is the most popularYeah, no shit.
>>746021724if you hate repetitive powers you must really hate 2 because each class only has 4 and usually 1-2 of them are completely worthless. take infiltrator for example. you have incinerate, tactical cloak, and disruptor ammo which is essentially just another passive. cryo ammo and ai hacking are worthless so in reality you have 2 powers for your 25 hour playthrough
>>746021792One of the many things I hate about 3.
>>746021769Something that's never talked about is also just the anticipation that builds up in the interim between releases. Moreso than DLCs or patches or mods, this is what newcomers miss. When you had between January 2010 (ME2's release) to March 2012 (ME3's release) to speculate, you didn't necessarily know what ME3 was gonna be, but you had built up just enough of an identity to what you THOUGHT Mass Effect was and wasn't, that when we got 3 it just felt wrong somehow.I saw this happen again in the Dragon Age Inquisition fandom. It's easy to forget that Inquisition spawned its entire self-contained fandom of Solas fangirls and just latecoming gamer-girls who don't actually like DA Origins, but they looooove DA2 and DAI. And they were also speculating, and becoming "experts" about what should happen in DA4. Then Veilguard came out, and it wasn't the wokeness that filtered them.. it was everything else. What happened to Tevinter, the fact that the sequel doesn't even have Inquisitor as the playable character, and Solas's plot inevitably not being exactly what they thought.That was what ME3 was like to me. I got super excited in February 2012 when they released the PC Demo for the first level, Sur'Kesh and Multiplayer. We had already seen E3 footage of the same areas... but it dawned on me as I was playing it that it just didn't FEEL like the sequel I was looking forward to. The tone was not right. The "Child" in the intro pissed me the fuck off at how lazy it seemed. The piano music doesn't sound like Mass Effect music. And something about the dialogue feels like it's dumbed down for absolute retards this time.With all of that I just ended up being miserable when it came out and I imported my save. ME3 just didn't feel like "Mass Effect" to me. And for some reason, I didn't have that problem with 2, even though you can easily pinpoint how extremely different it is.BUT, I also went DIRECTLY between ME1 to ME2, the first time I played both, in Jan 2010.
>>746021830That game is Mass Effect 3, not 2.>>746022004The whole point is you are supposed to shoot as much as you use powers, and 2 has that balance down.
>hear about how citadel is the best part of me3>finally play it>it's the absolute worst part of any mass effect game
>>746022148I didn’t play all the classes but vanguard in 3 was peak, so much charging and the melee/shotgun felt powerful in the previous instalments especially melee felt a wet slap very weak
>>746022046Stop being such a hater.
>>746022304I like 3 Ashley tho
>>746022148>The whole point is you are supposed to shoot as much as you use powersso the game that restricts most classes to 1 weapon tpye and an smg for most of the game is better? oh wait we have those heavy weapons with limited ammo too. too bad the limited ammo grenade launcher does less dps than just using your sniper
To me it's all wordly. None of it is really "good". It was entertaining enough over 10 years ago when I last played it..
>>746021724>all the characters they failed to utilize properly.They failed to utilize them in the DLC as well. Jack, Miranda, Grunt, Samara, Kasumi, Jacob and Zaeed are all missing. At least they bothered to kill off Thane, Mordin and Legion off entirely, so as to have an excuse not to bring them in. And then you can't even invite Kelly, Chakwas or dr. Michelle, while Traynor is obligatory there.
why is every single comment on this board now millennial this and millennial that
>>746022153It had some good jokes and fanservice.
>>746022385Worldly* is what I meant
>>746022153Citadel DLC was only ever good in the context of the depressing realization that they had messed up the entire story arc with the ending, and that it wasn't a joke or a mystery but just BioWare being stupid, and there's no easy landing/happy ending for Shepard in a more intelligent narrative that exists anywhere and almost zero reason to start replaying them to see how different and cool ME3 can become... and then waiting a full year (early 2013) to get a DLC that just says>Hey return to Mass Effect, and get QUALITY TIME with the CHARACTERS, and just be happy.ME3 was so depressing and the lack of every moment you had hoped for with certain characters, as part of the main plot, was so huge and your lingering attachment to the brand was still so hurt, that it actually felt like some kind of magic trick back then. You hadn't played the series in a full year, and you had given up on the lore and story, but you still cared about the cast. And then the DLC ends with the "The best" scene that acts as an acknowledgment that no matter what, the characters were what made you feel emotionally attached to Mass Effect.But BioWare started psyopping themselves ever since into wrongfully believing that "It's the characters" that makes anything about their games good. Every time they teased Andromeda, Anthem or Dragon Age they'd have some moron in their PR reel going "It's no the plot, but THE CHARACTERS that matter." and that's largely why MEA ended up being an unserious, millenial piece of shit because the only legacy talent left there were telling themselves that Citadel DLC was their big recovery from the ME3 disaster, so if you make everything "More Citadel DLC" it will automatically be better.
>>746022394Boomers are dying out so millennials are becoming the new boogieman.Gen X-ers are irrelevant.
>>746022246I loved Vanguard in 2 and I hate it in 3. It's too extra, and I realized sometime during the Priority Earth level that I actually wasn't enjoying it as much. If you love it so much it reveals that you care more about vibes than play mechanics. But I also stopped enjoying its vibe.It's like going from a Led Zeppelin record to KoRn.
>>746022489millennials and zoomers combined dont have the purchasing power of the leftover silent generationi dont get this divide and conquer shit at all
>>746022304Stop associating the franchise with your porn addiction and gay/kink fetishisms.
>>746022590Quick to assume addiction
>>746011461I replayed it recentlyI think it just fumbles the ending. That's it. Not just the three choices; but the illusive man's fate as well. I do think that a final raid with Admiral Anderson dying right before crossing the finish line was a good choice, but everything else wasn'tLord knows I wouldn't mind a great trilogy having a bad ending in the big 2026. Now games are shit from start to finish
>>746022471The characters are the most important part but BioWare lost all talent to write good characters. Now they’re all boring at best and gay ugly freaks at worst.
>>746022107My first Bioware game was BG1, in 1998. I didn't have a PC at the time, so I would skip school and go to a net cafe, and because they would uninstall the game from the PC I was playing on after I left, every time and deleted my saves, I must have gone through Candlekeep a hundred times alone. I later got a PC and played through every Bioware game that released on PC since, Tales of the Sword Coast, I still have the box on a shelve over my head, BG2, my favorite at the time game ever, NWN and its expansions, KotoR, Jade Empire didn't come out on PC for a while. I actually got it for $5 while I was serving in the military, at a book and various electronics store. I picked it up, even as I couldn't play it until I went home, 6 months later. I remember getting really made about DA, because it had been teased as far back as 2004, and by that time it was 2006 and it still wasn't out. When I left the army, it had just been announced that ME1 was coming to PC, I played through Jade Empire, which was nice, although the ending levels were kinda retarded, and then ME1. With DA:O in late 2009 and ME2, now my new favorite game ever, I just couldn't believe what amazing games Bioware were releasing back to back. But everyone could see that DA2 and ME3 were being rushed. I played the DA2 demo and it was easily a 6/10 game, and while I knew that ME3 was probably not going to be a 9/10 game, I hoped that there would be enough there to ... starting the Reaper War in ME3 made no sense. It's too big an event for one game, but it came out as it did and man, it was like fuck ME1, and fuck ME2, this is the new shit. And it really was shit.
>>746022716I like…uh…the discount Wrex and genderbent Garrus.
>>746022716That too. But the issue moreso than their taste in kinks is that they stopped associating Good Character with Good Plot.The characters are already kind of good in ME1 and they're largely worthy of becoming memberberries in 2 and 3 because you're associating them with the epic B-movie plot you all partook in. I call it B-movie because the plot of 1 isn't even that good to start with, but it has enough set up and context and amazing lore behind it that it ends up feeling like a great action movie where the entire joy of the cast comes from having their comforting personalities happen adjacent to a storyline that makes you feel like a movie star in a fun action movie.A larger problem the franchise faces going forward is that TV series are now more of a thing than movies are, and Hollywood has nuked itself. ME1 was made on top of the history of movies back when everyone took them seriously, and movies had a certain esteem about them. The best movies we have left are The Odyssey and a fucking MCU #39 film, and neither of them are very inspiring or cinematic at all.Movies used to be more than just a cinematic spectacle too. War of the Worlds of the 50s feels like more of a commentary of where we all were at the time. Alien in the 70s is a reflection of some of the 70s feminism, and also the influences of the post-soviet era of spacefaring and so on, coupled with just being a good monster movie.If we no longer have those sources, then Mass Effect is sourceless, and ME3 already took it down far too deep in the path of "making it more like the MCU". The fucking AI in Mass Effect Andromeda was made to look like Ultron.
>>746012525>Andromeda killed the seriesIt did not, like one anon said few days ago Andromeda decided to do it's thing far away in a different galaxy so it's not as consequential. In essence it decided to be stupid elsewhere. As a game it was nothing special, but they failed to gain any traction because they believe ME3 Citadel interactions is what people want from the get go. And characters were mostly retarded.If you want to look at franchise killers look at veilshit.Series wise ME3 is tough because big bad evil was "dealt with" somehow. And they need to find a way to continue on from there.
>>746022964Anyone who had expectations of BioWare in the cRPG era have an entirely different perception than mine. I played KOTOR and a bit of PS:T AFTER I played all the Mass Effects, and I still haven't played Neverwinter Nights, BG1 or 2 at all, and I'm not really a CRPG guy.I've seen the comments over the years constantly berating BioWare for even making games with "dialogue wheels" because "It's so much worse than text that says what you're supposed to say" and all the benefits that came with making simpler and cheaper games... but none of that means much to me. Disco Elysium came out. People who aren't BioWare are making the right kinds of games. I'm a fan of the Mass Effect era of 3D RPG and I grew up on games like Half Life and Halo, and Zelda games. I don't like top down or isometric games. I played Diablo and that was just my "friends game". But Mass Effect moved the needle for me when I had played a ton of superficial action games on the early Xbox 360 era on a shitty laptop, and then had the feeling like "Damn... this is actually a revolution to me" playing Mass Effect.I've always known there were geek-core RPG for warhammer nerds or tabletop fanatics. I could never be assed to play KOTOR as a kid because the idea of tac-pause combat was like meh to me. My first playthrough of ME1 clocked in at 18 hours with a Quick-start Male Shepard, and I fully enjoyed skipping all the content I skipped (and knowingly skipped).And in the context of this, I don't care about what it compares to before Mass Effect -- just that ME3, as a Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2 fan, was complete and utter shit to me. And I don't hate Gears of War, or mindless action games... but I think so many games have done a so much better job at telling stories or having choices than Mass Effect 3 did, and that completely disappointed me.
>>746022471I mean, it is, though. And the PR is absolutely right, because shit characters will tank your game. Look at Veilguard, Andromeda, Anthem, look at Wolverine, Fable, Concord, all these games and the criticism they got for their character design. You can't treat an RPG with shit characters as a good RPG. Even Elden Ring which has the minimum amount of character dialogue between them and the player, has memorable good designs and a couple of waifus. Not for me, I find all of the Soulslop genre to be very unsexy, but it works for some people. The point is, you can't make an RPG where you talk to nobody for 40 hours, and you can't have the people you talk to, be annoying children. And to put it simply, Bioware doesn't make soulslop, they have their own brand of games, nobody is buying soulslop from Bioware.
>>746023026Mass Effect already had episodic pacing like a tv show. The best parts were the recruitment/loyalty missions and DLCs that felt like their own mini adventures.
>>746023357Like I said, they could be making DA:O and ME2 and I'd be happy. It's OK to try new things and not make infinity engine games all the time, this isn't what this is about. I'm just saying that, as a lifelong Bioware fan, it was obvious that from DA2 and on, it was all shit. I'm not asking them to go back to something, I think ME2 had just the right type of combat for someone like me, who isn't a shooter fan, to be able to play it. ME3's gameplay, encounter design and level design was shit. It was awful. And to couple that with the game forcing you out of cover and playing on PC at higher frame rates than 60fps, which broke physics, made the game unplayable without cheats. So I might as well be playing in Narrative mode. ME3 is a really, really bad game, carried by the investment people had from previous games, and is only a success because of a tacked on MP mode which plagued later releases, especially DA:I, what the fuck even was that? And thankfully we will never see again, because EA is not letting Bioware anywhere near online play ever again. The next ME is a one and done, no DLC, no online, nothing else.
>>746021724What actual strategy? Use overload on shield, use warp on armor, hide behind cover because only 4 enemy types have any way to hurt you while you're in cover. (2 of which only show up in 4 missions)3s enemies are more aggressive about flushing you out of cover while also having the ability to protect themselves (cannibal healing, shielding pylons, smoke grenades, marauder armoring, bullet deflection, invisibility). While the player gets more choice with abilities having expanded beyond cooldowns for resource management, increase in mobility options, and the expanded weapon system giving the player more ways to play how they like.There's a lot of areas 2 is better than 3 (lighting, dialogue control, general writing quality, hub design) but combat is not one of them.
>>746023463Nah, Veilguard's problem is not "shit characters", it's just that its a political diatribe through characters. That to me feels like a seperate problem than the characters being bad, and if you actually play Veilguard its main story has big problems before you ever get to see Taash act as a mouthpiece for Patrick Weekes in his mentally ill personal development.It is not "the characters" that makes Mass Effect anything special. It's the world, the dialogue wheel, and yes, combined with the characters, because the offspring of its qualities amounts to the feeling of being "inside an important-feeling, good ass sci fi movie and I'M the protagonist." more than a normal 3D Action game will, and more immersive than a simplified RPG with no voice acting would.It isn't special because of Mordin making you go "uwu". In fact, Mordin is a shit character that gets hyperinflated because the average internetdweller is an american libtard, that BioWare entirely started listening too much towads after they launched Mass Effect and Dragon Age.I love these games, and I don't even give a shit about "Tali" and I was surprised to learn that she's this hyper favorite character on the internet.
>>746023602I completely agree with this. Which kinda defeats my point, but overall 2 is still following the superstructure of a heist film like Ocean's Eleven (or twelve kek) and ultimately the episodic thing is more of teething matter. And LOST was at the height of its popularity when they were sketching out the game. Also why Jacob's Loyalty Mission is entirely LOST and why the game copies the theme of "Daddy Issues". I liked all of it though, but the main plot with the collectors, the inside of the base, the Collector Assault and the Derelict Reaper is very very 80s/90s sci fi MOVIES for the most part. Lots of Event Horizon, Alien, even a bit of Sunshine with the whole Sun motif in TIM's office and so on.
>>746023463Thing with Citadel was that it's in contrast to 95% of other content in trilogy. You are already familiar with characters where they "acted appropriately" to the tone and setting. Problem is when they saw the reception they said "lets have characters act throughout the entire Andromeda game like it's a citadel dlc". >>746024053Agreed
>>746011461You don't even know what the word trilogy means.And Andromeda killed the series.If ME3 killed the series Andromeda wouldn't be made, retardGOD.
>>746011461I don't even know why everyone pisses their pants over 3. The gameplay is far and away better than the first 2, the set pieces are good, and everything more or less gets resolved one way or another. The only thing that didn't need to be there was Kai Leng.
>>746024387Then the reason Andromeda got made was because ME3 already killed the series, retard. They needed to make a retard-game just to make another Mass Effect game, and had ME3 been good, they would've tastefully left it and never made another game, because everyone would be staunch defenders that the trilogy was the Lord of the Rings of gaming and diluting it wasn't necessary.But that's not what happened, was it?
>>746024053>>Nah, Veilguard's problem is not "shit characters"I mean, you say that, but the character reveal trailer it debuted with showed some of the most Concordian designs we've ever seen and that tanked the game instantly, before anyone got to play a demo or anything. Did the game have glaring issues other than the squadmates? I never said otherwise, but to pretend that the character reveal wasn't catastrophic is just denial at this point.
>>746024531None of this makes any sense
You can mod a lot of stupid shit out of 3, most notably the ending. Since both me1 and 3 have better gameplay than 2, this is a massive boost when ranking.
>>746024502The combat is more "slick" but not necessarily more fun than 2, and 1 is a YMMV thing.But if you solely determine "gameplay" as the part where you have the gun out and shoot at enemies then sure... but the rest of us define gameplay also as the interplay between making decisions on the wheel, running around BETWEEN missions and interacting with the story, alongside the combat.And in that sense ME3 is quickly the weakest link, because it downgraded everything that wasn't the skill tree menu or the shooting. If ME3 had the same dialogue design as 2, and 4 hub locations with an even mixture of low-grade mini-quests and actual side-quests, and more non-linearity to the main plot on the Galaxy map like 1 and 2 had, then 3 would've been contender as the best game in the series, but it doesn't do those things. Everything is only narrower and more streamlined, and dumbed down in 3, except for the specific action of sprinting, taking cover or shooting the enemies. There's more to the "gameplay" of Mass Effect than that.
Pressly losing his racism is the greatest arc in the whole series
>>746022107I was jarred by the differences in ME2 after finishing ME1 at first, but I feel like it was largely able to make up for it. Was it perfect? No, but it was the most fleshed out game in the series and was able to strike a decent balance between gameplay and writing.>t. played the entire trilogy chronologically after it was finished
>>746024746You're expecting way too much. It's a story that takes place during the literal apocalypse, there's no room for drastic choices.
>>746024242The difference with Citadel is that it has characters you are familiar with and are fond of, and they have earned that light-heartedness from you. You are right that you absolutely cannot treat new characters the same way, as they've not earned any of that. But even in Inquisition which wasn't full on Citadel DLC, at least not from the start, none of these characters stuck. The tumblrinas may have made copious amounts of shit art of their elf whore, but that didn't mean excitement or cultural footprint for the IP. Inquisition killed DA and the awful squadmates was part of it. Again, not the only thing, but we had so many threads shitting on them back in the day. I only liked, uh ... shit. Blackwatch. Uh, buh, Blackbeard. Beardshield. Beardtower. Beardwall. Blackwall, that's his fucking name. Everything else about this game was shit.>but the loreLore doesn't make up for shit characters, plot, dialogue, gameplay, music, level design, encounter design, just everything.
>>746024978Then that is a fundamental narrative approach issue, which instantly downgrades your game from a 9 to a 6.
>>746024584Yes, for sure, characters and marketing obviously matters, and you also can't determine if a storydriven game even has a good plot from its marketing. But what I'm getting at is that it ultimately is not just the quality of a cast of characters and their vibes that determines if a game is perceived to be of high quality or not. Mass Effect could've also had 6 billion players and a non-existent Main Story but Overwatch type characters and i would still disagree with your premise, because I'm talking about the quality as a franchise that's known for story. Within that context, you need more than just flavorfully cuddly characters to succeed. You need the characters to exist within something that the story-interested player is willing to go along with, like a solid plot with intelligent backstory, and something to intrigue you, and then once you have those "movieisms" down, it certainly becomes the quality of flavor-writing for each character in the story that people latch on to and it seems like that's the reason everyone loves it.For example Xenoblade Chronicles 2, ended up being something I enjoyed a lot. It doesn't have a GREAT plot, but it tries and it tries. And ultiamtely it has 10 chapters where it manages to feel like something monumental by the end, but all I can think about are the characters. But I would've dropped the game 50 hours before it ended if I had felt like the plot wasn't there, and all I had to go on was the welsh catgirl being cute. I ended up loving the characters, because they're along with me during what felt like a "quality adventure". Same reason I did not like Xenoblade X, and same reason I don't bother with the Dragon Quest series. Those to me feel like games where there is a plot... but it really doesn't fucking matter and it's hardly actually trying because the "point" is just the characters and the RPGness of it. But story-first games need to nail the story, before it can nail the characters, or people won't revere it.
>>746011461>samefag: the thread
>>746025001I don't mind the Inquisition party. My biggest gripe with the game is the pseudo open world with a gazillion fetch quests, it was awful design and I can't believe they did it again with Andromeda.
>>746024978Nothing stopped the designers of ME3 from setting up a plot like ME2 which ironically ran more on a "time's running out" system than ME3 does.in 3 I can always do 100% of the side-content before the next primary plot point, and the game never jumps ahead before I'm ready. In 2 there is a counter that represents the Collectors abducting humans and Cerberus trying to locate them that often ends up tripping up your own planning because you wanted to get enough Loyalty Missions done but just had to take on a side-quest that wasn't necessary to tempt fate.So no. ME3 could've had usefully non-linear main plotting on the map. The only reason it doesn't is because they decided to make a more linear game.
>>746025238Inquisition was a sign of hope after ME3. It wasn't rushed in the same manner. It had a 4 year dev cycle and David Gaider's writing is closer to Drew Karpyshyn's than Mac Walters's so there were signs of promise in aspects of the story, and yeah, if you put it on Casual Difficulty and skip 80% of the fetch quest worlds, there's a nifty 40 hour single player campaign in there that's actually halfway decent. Unfortunately the reality of the game was not a recovery. It was just the DA Team running out of steam slightly delayed from the Mass Effect team.
>>746024635It makes perfect sense, though.Because while the IP still had some staying power, ME3 killed the Milky Way and any continuity. It was also increasingly apparent that, with ME3 poisoning everything that came before, a prequel is just not viable. Anyone asking for a first contact war game or an Anderson game, is asking for a game that sells 500k. That's your audience. Also, because Bioware is retarded and insisted that the endings were final, definitive, and their "artistic integrity", they could not make a came that didn't treat them as gospel. Meanwhile what the entire fanbase wanted, was a game that did not treat the endings as gospel. And those two things clashes into making an entirely disconnected, disjointed game called Andromeda that asked you to care, because it had some skinsuits called Turian, Salarian, Asari and Krogan. Patently, sticking Mass Effect on the cover, does not automatically sell your game, and the next game can't be "let's repeat the exact same fresh start thing we've been doing since DA2 that fails worse each time". But they're gonna do it anyway.
>>746021080>The problem then is that 3 largely pretends ME2 didn't happenBecause 90% of ME2 largely can be ignored because it was pointless and had nothing to do with anything for the Reaper plot. What is the entire consequence of all of ME2? The Reaper base. That is it. That is the single matter of significance to the larger plot of the Reapers that happens in the entire game. The Collectors? Irrelevant at the end. Reapers are onions green? Irrelevant to the overall conflict. The new team members? Irrelevant, just like what happened to the original team members from ME1.ME3 ignored so much of what ME2 did because so much of what ME2 did didn't actually matter. It was the gaming trilogy equivalent of a bottle episode.
>>746025482>Because 90% of ME2 largely can be ignored because it was pointless and had nothing to do with anything for the Reaper plot.It only becomes pointless BECAUSE you decide not to take it anywhere further for crying out loud.
>>746011461The third of anything is definitionally the end of the trilogy, you stupid motherfucker
>>746016280Yes, of course.
>>746011545ME2 is not just the worst of the 3, it is an objectively bad game.
>>746025001ME had continuity between the trilogy games, DA didn't have that benefit but this was a decision made by DA team directly. They constantly tried to move away from Origins, none of it worked and they got salty because of their failures. Andromeda in ME is arguably 2nd ME game and can be compared to DA2 if that makes sense to you.
>>746025648That's funny considering that out of all the 3, I've always considered 2 to be the best overall designed product, even I concede the story isn't good for a 2nd middle trilogy act, and that 3 made combat more refined looking.2 by far has the best and most disciplined design with the most consistency of all the 3 games. It has a high baseline for interactive cinematics and cinematography. It has an even amount of combat and exploration and conversation, and it has lots of player agency, lots of player decisions to make, and the shooting is more solid on its own than it was in ME1.But because it removes the inventory screen and has a Human Reaper at the end people think it's the worst thing ever made.
>>746025635I hate those quest prompts in 3 so fucking much.
>>746025107>But what I'm getting at is that it ultimately is not just the quality of a cast of characters and their vibes that determines if a game is perceived to be of high quality or notIt took 6 seconds for the Highguard trailer to kill all interest in the game. It is clearly a choke point. It has to do so much more, that much harder, to change the perception later, and in today's world, you don't get that chance. Can it have other choke points as well, after that? Absolutely.>Mass Effect could've also had 6 billion players and a non-existent Main Story but Overwatch type characters and i would still disagree with your premise, because I'm talking about the quality as a franchise that's known for story. Within that context, you need more than just flavorfully cuddly characters to succeed.I don't disagree, but if you've lost 90% of your potential audience, before anyone even gets that far, it doesn't matter.>For example Xenoblade Chronicles 2, ended up being something I enjoyed a lot. It doesn't have a GREAT plot, but it tries and it triesI don't know anything about Xenoblade, so I can't tell you.
>>746023135>It did not, like one anon said few days ago Andromeda decided to do it's thing far away in a different galaxy so it's not as consequential.not that anoni get what you mean but i'd argue andromeda killed the series outside of the game world. now every time people talk about the future of the series someone will derail it with andromeda and for good reason. while it was mostly it's own thing, it still had mass effect plastered all over it. also it was a bioware game and they planned it to be the continuation to the main series. just because it failed right at the start, doesn't mean it's not relevant to the main series. because it sadly is and you can see it's influence (at least in the art direction) for the next game, see pic
>>746025990I guess I'm talking more about word of mouth and lasting appeal than marketing.Obviously marketing has to make the game look good, and if your approach is "fortnite" in a series that was supposed to be story, you'll lose the audience that cares and you'll filter people who don't wanna go away from Fortnite.It's more about, once you have a solid baseline for marketing and you have audience capture as a "game that has story, and good characters" you can't rightly tell me that just having a likeable cast is enough for people to remain attached to your series if the rest is rudderless, and that's my criticism of BioWare, because they believe that they can fart away the main plot as long as the characters are cute and cuddly, and that clearly hasn't worked for them since Andromeda.
>>746025238I think they were awful and, as established, lacked any cultural footprint to carry the IP forward. Varric, Solas and Harding all failed to carry the legacy pillars the IP required, as their presence did nothing to mitigate the reception of the new cast. In fact, no amount of returning DA characters could save them from the fact that players would be saddled with Rook and the new cast. What's worse, this "new cast each game" approach has likely been so poisoned by Veilguard that the moment the next Bioware game shows new faces, it's going to take a Highguard like 6-second presentation to kill the game, before anyone took their wallet out of their pocket.
>>746025594why did it suck then?
>>746025726It does, but I am missing the point of it. If the point is that all ME has, is the trilogy cast, I do agree. But that's not what Bioware has hinted at doing so far. Except Liara, of course, can't leave her out.
>>746026056That's true, but those people are faggots, who don't understand why the negativity surrounding the brand started long before this game even came out, and cemented itself primarily with Mass Effect 3.They had something to prove with MEA and they didn't because it was another failure and htis time it also looked outright incompetent from a dev standpoint. But a lot of the festering negativity that immediately attacked it, same as with Veilguard, are old pissy people like me who have a bone to pick with BioWare over other stuff because of much more important failures they made before.I believe MEA is a superficial failure. Its own plot has eye-rolling moments but I can accept it at the end of the day as a slightly mediocre plot outside the trilogy because some of its sci fi ideas were actually decent, and characters are not really that bad once you settle in. And it fulfils its own agenda quite nicely with the final level and I love how they did Epilogue in this game.Most aren't like that. They don't play the game, because it looks bad, but that's 1 game release away from proving it wrong, and the same audience won't care because it's not the inner failures that are keeping them from the franchise, just it not looking like a good AAA production. The same audience will accept utter slop as long as it looks like a pristine masterpiece, even if the story within it is twice as bullshit as the Catalyst scene at the end of Mass Effect 3. And I'm saying, that is what REALLY matters to the overall hearesay of the franchise. More people might've actually convinced themselves to play this game anyway if there wasn't a sea of disgruntled Mass Effect 3 haters, which was clearly not a bad game because it's a bad "game" but because the storytelling failed.
>>746025982I still have no idea what I did to complete the prompt of the Elcor sidequest
>>746026161>>I guess I'm talking more about word of mouth and lasting appeal than marketing.You know, that's GotG territory, and it may be fitting, seeing as how Mary DeMarle worked on that game. GotG, you wouldn't know it, but it sold 8 million copies by the end of its first or second year, after a disastrous launch. At $5 a pop. It doesn't matter, because, by that time, not only you made a grand total of $40m US in gross, against a budget of likely $150m US, but also because your studio closed down in the first three months from launch.
>>746025917>and exploration
>>746026056I know what you mean but that is not a failing of Andromeda but the ego of the developers and their desire to prove to everyone their work IS good, and that you're wrong for not appreciating it. Pic related>>746026435Shitposting at work so I can't write a lot. Not exactly. ME was able to sustain itself because first 3 games can be seen as a single game, and the first next one is Andromeda.Andromeda was a break from that formula and because they executed it poorly (mainly characters atmosphere which was based on Citadel template).In DA every game is 95% independent from itself. But instead of also altering characters, it is altering the world, appearance, tone, in essence they're nonstop trying to move away from Origins which everyone loved.For next ME at the moment we don't know enough on what they had planed. What's good is that from a business point of view veilshit type of tone/setting is seen as non-viable, but until we get any updates we can only guess.
>>746025917No one here thinks 2 is worst made when 3 exists.
>>746026448While I do agree that there is a large Bioware fanbase that will poison any new release ... so what? That is a self-imposed issue that Bioware created. If they hadn't poisoned their customer base so much, they would be in a better position, even with the shitty games they released afterward, because there simply wouldn't be so much negativity toward them. But that isn't the reality of the situation. Either Bioware do something about it, or go to work for nobodies that get their studios shut down, after producing nothing in half a decade+ like Casy Hudson.
Your hopes for ME4?
>>746026932I thin the reason why we don't know, is because the game stalled and either market performance of various games made them change direction from what they had started to make in 2019-20, or post Veilguard reception made them pivot or restart production from scratch. Otherwise, pre-production from 2019-2023 and from 2025-27 would mean that full production would have started, which it hasn't. Historically, Bioware announces when a game has entered full production. Full development, which Mike Gamble has said, is not the same thing, it just means that the studio is not working on other projects and has poured all resources onto it.>>746027223Un-poison the fanbase. Failing that, shut down.
>>746011461Never coped, ME3 is good utill the fag Child, so 99,99% kino
>>746027223>set a few years after the Reaper war>Sheploo is alive>he basically takes the role of Anderson>your advisor/superior officer>smaller stake story>fixing the relays and bringing order back to the galaxy>old and new castPretty much this.
>>746027436>he basically takes the role of AndersonShepard will never be anything other than the player character.From the mouth of Mike Gamble> It won’t be a retread of Commander Shepard’s story – because after all … that’s YOUR story, isn’t it? https://blog.bioware.com/2025/11/07/n7-day-2025/It's not happening.
>>746027634He is talking about the show here tho.
>>746011461Mass effect was always just slop for bottom feeders, 1 and 2 aren't that much better than 3.
>>746027283>is because the game stalled and either market performance of various games made them change direction from what they had started to make in 2019-20, or post Veilguard reception made them pivot or restart production from scratchI think you're right on point with this and that veilshit was a turning point. Before veilshit we already had large market shift but people in studio could offset it by going wiht "but our audience absolutely loves this, you gotta believe us, those games failing won't happen to us!". But after it there's no business sense to do the same thing.
>>746027223Cute quarian girls.
>>746011461>How do Mass Effect fans still cope about Mass Effect 3 being ''good'' when it was the game that killed the trilogy and the series?i don't have to, because Andromeda exists.
>>746027223Asari bitches.
>>746027976This.
>>746027694Are you saying it will only be true for TV shows and not games? He makes no such distinction. Shepard's story is OUR story, and a story where Shepard isn't OURS, breaks that verbal contract. Even then, nobody wants to play someone that isn't Shepard, and it is impossible to make a Shepard that accounts for all backgrounds, personality variations and doing it again for female, and not have that character be the protagonist, or adding a protagonist cost on top of all that production value sunk in.
>>746029215The problem is that Femshep inflated the idea that Shepard is this "Great character". Shepard is and always was a Mary Sue character, but because Femshep got to be a strong female protagonist without overt attention placed on her gender role, everyone thinks Shepard is now a special character, but for males it's literally the most stock, typical, and completely fine main character archetype repeated, and bland enough that we can project ourselves onto him.That's why they now think they have to put Shepard into a TV show.
>>746029215>Beyond the next game, there’s more to get excited about. I haven’t talked about it much, but you might have heard a little something about a TV series? We’ve been partnering closely with Amazon on it, and we’re really excited with what the talented team over there is coming up with. The writers room is going strong, and we’ve got a lot figured out about how it fits within the Mass Effect canon, and where it sits in respect to the new game. The show will explore a brand-new story within the universe’s timeline, and will be set after the original trilogy. It won’t be a retread of Commander Shepard’s story – because after all … that’s YOUR story, isn’t it? He is talking about the show.
>>746029450>Making any statement about Shepard is not indicative of how the studio approaches Shepard in regards to the audience, and is invalidated on a per game basisIs this your argument, then?>>746029379The point of Shepard was never Shepard himself. Shepard is the vehicle by which the player establishes bonds and relationships with the characters and the world. The crew without Shepard works no better than Shepard without the crew. And if you lose either, or both, for another attempt at "fresh start" after what "fresh start" got you with Veilguard, you gotta really want to shut Bioware down.
>>746027223Following things are canonized>high ems destroy>genophage cure>geth-quarian peace>miranda survived to earthPlot: The survivors of the battle for earth are rebuilding the citadel and relay in sol. Miranda uses her knowledge of the lazarus project to uncripple shepard.Most fleets tried to use non-relay ftl to go to their homeworlds.Shepard is called in to try and keep the peace between the emerging factions/polities.Turian military leader who's been the defacto peace keeper but has been growing more brutal as the months have dragged on.Would be Krogan Warlord gathering more unruly types under his banner.Salarian and Asari council remnant pretending the power structure is the same.Terra Firma guy stoking anti-alien sentiment due to resource shortages.Admiral Xen being a shifty bitch because civilian fleet labor is the primary driver of repairs.Big intrigue plot and you find that someone is working to put the factions against each other. Asari/Salarian mossad style thing, in service of the old power structure behind it all.Squadmates are:MirandaJackThe batarian from the clinic level you give the medi-gel. (He's become a Shepard cultist)Salarain STG (mossad agent, long loyalty quest chain that ends with her betraying mossad or you)Geth that got rebuilt by quarians (had some geth ai behind emp proof shields or whatever)Half way through the game Normandy shows back up bringing back the following squadmates:LiaraTaliGarrusVegaGotta retake Luna base from Krogan warlord to find the necessary code to revive edi (she goes back to being a hologram, but she makes it sexy for Joker)
>>746027223that it's cancelled and the IP gets sold to Larian.
>>746011802IDK man, I remember firmly being in the minority when ME3 came out and I was saying it was shit. "Mass Effect 3 was great until the last five minutes" was a meme for at least a year after release. So much so that I wrote pages upon pages of text on why the entire last hour sucks.
>>746021786Yes, and I will continue to bitch. We got one good Mass Effect game, one good game that wasn't Mass Effect, and two dogshit games. I will always be mad.
>>746026890You can say whatever you want about 2 and 3, but having 4 hub locations with a few actual side-quests in ME2 beats out ME3 having a completely static version of the Citadel where all you do is click on NPCs to hear ambient dialogue.
>>7460310733 variants of a completely static citadel, thank you.
>>746030523>>IDK man, I remember firmly being in the minority when ME3 came out and I was saying it was shitYou absolutely were not. It's just that so many people argued so much about the endings that all the Biodrones were trying to deflect by saying that.
>>746026962But a lot of people do, and I'm trying to tell them otherwise?
>>746027223That it gets cancelled the day I'm releasing my ME3 Story Expansion mod.
>>746031408Does it add Miranda and Jack on the crew?
>>746031648EGM already kinda does that. I'm adding a subdeck conversation with Jack after her mission before she leaves again, and a few other additional ME2 companion dialogues to fill out the game a little more. Ashley will also have "Relationship" conversations aboard the ship so it isn't just the drunk-on-the-floor dialogue and nothing for the rest of the game.
>>746031826Not interested
>>746017703People think RPG means Visual Novel.
>>746022590The franchise is about humans being bred to extinction by blue aliens. It's a fetish game.
>>746030220I've pitched something similar before. Not against it, but not exactly what I would have done.
>>746030220Nice.
>>746033045I'd happily read your take on it.
The biggest failure of the Mass Effect series was not letting me canonically take futa Asari cock
>>746011461second game was complete dogshit. first thing i see is an ass shoved in my face from the weirdo devs. then i have the character that possesses said ass shoved in my face and i dont like italso they removed the multiplayer of 3 which is retarded
>>746027369>ME3 is good utill the fag ChildSo basically the entire opening
>>746027887pic rel is basically the problem with the entire western video game industry
>>746034132Obviously, Terra Firma thing, kinda obvious. Miranda putting Shepard together again, definitely. Able to pick up past romances, if Samara, Miranda or Jack were romanced, whatever little Samara romance there was at least. The main backdrop is Terra Firma vs Alliance. Alliance has a lot of bad rep right now with blowing up the relays and Earth being kinda fucked, so they need Shepard to rally behind as an icon, more than an actual soldier, but Alliance military also needs his ass in the front lines. Combat is slower and more strategic, because while rebuilt, Shepard isn't fully recovered yet, a lot of things don't work like before. Emphasis on squad tactics and abilities. For those that can't play that way, there's easy mode.Instead of Krogan in the moon, I had mercs squatting on the Citadel, looting and stealingThe Turians would be on the verge of starvation from having spent most of their rations, and you would be given a chance to allow/help them raid the flotilla for food, stop them and have them starve to death, raid the Citadel for Dextro provisions, or disguise as Terra Firma and raid the Citadel, while also stealing dextro provisions. If the Quarians did not survive Rannoch, the Turians do not plan to stage an attack on the Flotilla, bur rather are prepared to starve to death.If Geth survived Rannoch but died in the Destroy ending, Geth units that were out of the range of the beam show up and try to restore the geth platforms. If both Geth and Quarians survived Rannoch, they work together in restoring the mobile platforms.When raiding the Citadel, you come across some body horror elements, but with no clear culprit.Also, the Leviathan artifacts are missing. As are the teams that planted them.
>>746011461I cope by never replaying the singleplayer and dumping another 50 hours into the multiplayer instead.
>>746016280the only correct answer in this dogshit botted thread
>>746027223There's no hopeThey can't write characters like they used to. Those people are long goneEveryone will be quippy. Male characters will be weak and subservient while female characters will be empowering and dominant. This can be done well, but you know they are unable to do soIt's fucked up because the setting is inherently good, even nowadays. There's no space opera kino. Intergalactic won't be that. Directive 8020? lmao. Starfield also failed
>>746011461>ME2tourists now acting as the oldfags christ nuke this board alreadyME1 > ME3 > ME2
>>746035657>Another consequence from ME2
>>746035054Also, yes, there is civil unrest among the Krogan. Now that the Genophage is cured, Wrex' hold on the Krogan is lost, so other factions are vying for control. You can help Wrex, you can help Wrex and fail, thus trying to unite clan Urdnot under Grunt, or support someone else entirely.Every faction you help, can be recruited in your battle against Terra Firma.If you convince the Mercs that Terra Firma attacked the Citadel, the Mercs will fight Terra Firma independently. If the Mercs find out it was Alliance under disguise, they think it is done in order to get them to fight Terra Firma for them, which makes Mercs go rogue and attack humans indiscriminately. This compounds ill will toward the Alliance.If you do things right, Alliance fights back against Terra Firma, if not Terra Firma solidifies control over Earth.However, there is suspicious activity on Mars and what seems to be some faction making a sort of Reaper graveyard there.You are sent to investigate, only to find a semi-functional Harbinger. You are almost wiped out until the Normandy shows up and allows you to withdraw safely.You stage a counter attack, destroy Harbinger for good, find a Leviathan artifact, and a team that had been assigned to it being mind controlled. The Cipher allows Shepard to resist is control after, maybe, having to fight off some of his own squad.With the defeat of the forces on Mars and the Normandy available, you can visit other system in the local cluster and do other quests there, for post ending gameplay. You can also rekindle your romance with whoever is on the Normandy.
>>746035738And who can forget about this? I'm sure ME2 is also to blame.
I like the original trilogy.
>>746035480ME1 = ME2 > ME3
>>746031214I like that the Citadel is bigger in 3 but what good is it when literally most of it is just background slop. At least Zakera Ward was a destination for a handful of Loyalty missions and a couple of legitimate side-quests where you actually have a questgiver and have to run around and pick some dialogue options. ME3 has that one quest with Aria, and even then that eventually forces you to quit the area to go scan planets for War Assets before going back.And every other cutsceney quest in 3 is open and shut in design. Once you've opened it you can't say no to it, and once you follow it, it leads directly to another cutscene room where you get 1 dialogue wheel that resolves the quest no matter what, but if you select the Red/Blue persuade options it gives you better results.I just hate how they designed 3. It feels like really early Gacha design patterns to me.
>>746011461>last Jedi was good, it was rise of Skywalker that ruined itNo lol.
>>746012209>mass effect 2 was great because it did the exact thing I said they shouldn't have doneme2 ends with "it was Reapers all along" and specifically shows them activating and flying to towards the galaxy, and one of their dlcs specifically showed them arriving. There was no fixing fuck all after that
>>746037310Except nobody liked Last Jedi to begin with. It burned down the entire IP, and the only ones defending it were shills, and political grifters. Let's not forget how we were Russian bots, misogynists, bigots and racists for not liking TLJ. TLJ literally killed off the main villain of the trilogy in the second movie, and Luke Skywalker, after making him a geezer loser.
>>746011461Mostly because of the multiplayer.
>>746037649>they wait to to the end to kill Luke at leastJust goes to show star wars fans are smarter than mass effect ones apparently. Fuck even Leias death and meaningless resurrection that does nothing to the story 16 seconds later mirrors shepherd at the very beginning of me2 lol.
>>746037804I disagree. Though techno-babble, Bioware did a plausible enough job to justify it. In fact, we are on-route to have similar tech to that in a few to several decades from now, but within the 21st century. We will have cellular regeneration and postmortem resuscitation within range of our lifetime, or shortly after. Meanwhile, Leia freezes to death in outer space and supermans her way back into the ship, which, even accounting for the force, that's not how things work.
>>746011461I just play the MP because for as farmed-out and shoehorned-in as it was, it's still fun.
>>746038167Nigger the very fact they open with killing him only to immediately ressurect him in the story is as stupid as telling me he was dead for years and came back to life magically. It's nonsense, meant to hook you in with a "oh shit I can't believe they killed shepherd moment" like some cynical hollywood trailer, but it happened in game it. You're stupid for falling for it, and more stupid for continuing to fall for it a decade later.
>>746038346It is used for many reasons, including the fact to show you that even Shepard can die, which instantly raises the stakes, gives room for the story to introduce new cast, with plausible explanation, change the way weapons work etc. If you like none of these things, then you don't, but that's a you issue at this point. ME2 is one of the most celebrated RPGs in history. Saying that everyone is wrong about it, endears you to no one.
>>746038647This man just threw the entire fishing rod
>>746038647>it's to show you even he can die>immediately comes back to life using the most expensive space magic in the universeWow much, consequence, very story>the entire cast of the first game also survived>even the ship comes back to life The fact you're ok with this is fucking sad>everyone loves it and you're wrong if you don'tSure is reddit around here
>>746031408Looks cool Anon. Does Javik get anything added? It always bugged me how the last fucking Prothean isn't more of a plotpoint. I know he was day 1 dlc but still.
>>746038167His death doesn't make much sense but I think it was one of a handful of more mindfucky sci fi elements in the story that could've gone somewhere cool. I see the ME2 version of Cerberus as a demonstration of "public vs private" in the future when there's a much wider universe of exploitation and hedgefunding and tax evasion style stuff. In our world, a lot of corrupt or cheaty shit happens when really rich people go through Russia. Elon Musk got so much done for SpaceX because he went to Russia and got deals made for rocket parts outside of anything juristidcted by the EU or US. The idea that if you spend enough fucking cash in Mass Effect, and concentrate a science project across a dozen star systems worth of equity funds and so on, that you can genuinely revive someone is kinda interesting. Of course braindead is braindead and they should've had more than a handwave explanation done for how exactly Shepard's "identity" is remade or retained after burning up in the atmosphere of a fucking planet lmao, but they could've done something.The Mass Relays and Biotics are also kind of nonsense, and it's just a handful of things I'm willing to go with, without a clear explanation because everything else feels very detailed, and ultiamtely I prefer when a setting even as detailed as Mass Effect has a few things that seem almost mystical to it. I think they overall did a great job of balancing the unexplainable phenomenon with the explainable, and Cerberus's mysterious origins are also enough that it convinced me that there's something they've been able to do that we just can't trace back that somehow makes sense, because the galaxy is enormous and the possibilities of both science and money blows the mind if someone really develops it without regulations, and I'd have a problem if they just revived randoms, but they make it abundantly clear that Shepard was THE project.Also, there was always the possibility that the Reapers are behind it.
>lets keep the collector base, i am sure it has knowledge that could be useful in our nearly 100% doomed fight against literal machine gods>LOL NO THE WHATEVAR MAN IS EVIL;LMAO
>>746039268most of the mod happens in a different branch depending on a few choices in the previous games, and if you've triggered the new content it'll actually remove a lot of Javik content, because I'm entirely changing his role and making him mandatory in the alternate timeline, but I'm making him not a squad-mate because of this, and he'll be unavailable for larger stretches of time.He'll have a bunch more dialogue wheels added if you play regularly, but of all ME3 characters he's the one with the fewest officially cut lines of dialogue, because they really got the time to polish his DLC. The main game is chok full of outdated lines from earlier scripts and a lot of it is voiced. There's even one where Udina talks about Cerberus being allies of the Reapers, which was their original plot before the whole "Control" stuff.
>>746011461No, it did not kill the series, retard.A trilogy ends in the third installment.Stories and games were supposed to have an end back then.It was a good thing that Mass Effect ended with 3 instead of becoming an endless "universe" for people without children to escape to.
threadly reminder to watch b5, the show that inspired me1's plot
>>746040428No.
>>746011545It can't be better than 1 because the whole game is a huge sidequest in the grand scheme in terms of story. The whole game is "LE ASSEMBLE YOU SQUAD XDDD"
>>746040428bro, ME story was whole sale lifted from this book
>>746041350no one has heard or cares about that shit tho
>>746011461why has there been so many ME threads recently
Why not just make a DLC for the legendary edition? A few filler jobs just to have some fun, without the hassle of rethink a whole settings that already has his (meh) ending
Shiala.
>>746038346Shep dying servers 3 thing; >establish a new threat>reset player to baseline start>justify Shep working for CerberusAlso if I remember right, Shep was originally supposed to be revived with Geth tech an Legion was more important to the story.
>>746044847Why are you green?
>>746012209They wanted a trilogy but had no idea how to wrap it up. Karpyshyn said something along those lines in a interview.Having elder gods as your main antagonist only works if you don't have to fight them 1on1 unless you're JRPG
>>746044975Thorians.
I wish we could drive more vehicles. Maybe more vehicle gameplay too.
>>746038826>>>immediately comes back to life using the most expensive space magic in the universeBecause you can die in the suicide mission.I've had enough of your snide insinuations, anon. This is just pathetic even for you.
Turian wife.That is all.
>>746045620Honestly a space combat sim for Mass Effect would have done wonders.
>>746046354dead game, never to be seen again
>>746044957It serves one purpose. It impresses retards and lets the rest of us know how shit the game is going to be story wise.
>>746047723Like this guy >>746045961 Fuck, imagine being this stupid. Holy shit no wonder you think it makes sense lol
Why does Garrus seem to glue himself to Shepard's side whenever you take him with you in all 3 games?
>>746035054>>746035924So I do like some of it, the moral conundrum of a false flag and the dextro rations is very cool stuff.I don't like Harbinger being alive, though I considered having the Leviathan being an enemy in mine (controlling mossad group), but ultimately don't think we need mind control as an excuse for why the races are at each others throats. I love the idea of post game being the local cluster, setting up for the sequel.My idea would be finding that the pulse grew less damaging as it traveled leading to functional relays farther from earth, (but still killed the reapers) so outlying systems are rising politically sincs the galaxy is missing its head until the citadel is fixed.
>>746047876you are besties
>>746048349The point is that the Leviathans are trying to fuck with people, so that they can grow in numbers and power, while the rest of the Milky Way is plunged in anarchy, and that works especially well if they can do that while the galaxy's military force is occupied, or stalled, in our Solar System. It allows them to do other things elsewhere. Obviously, Earth has no idea what goes on outside of our system, due to Relay collapse, but that is a perspective that the Normandy might have, during its trip back.Obviously, as well, it's not Harbinger, but rather its repaired husk that isn't nearly as strong as Harbinger, if the Normandy by itself can fend Harbinger off. Still, if you're a couple of teams with shotguns and/or tomkahs, you're not going to have a nice day against it. It finally allows you to have that fight with Harbinger that, under other circumstances, you could not have.
>>746048349AFAIK not all relays are active and lay dormant. First contact war started because humans were activating relays left and right without mapping them out. You could also say only primary relays were affected and most secondary ones are working normally.
>>746049139This is correct. There are still unmapped and deactivated relays left even in 2186 when ME3 happens.>>746048349>but ultimately don't think we need mind control as an excuse for why the races are at each others throats.I think Indoctrination was an important concept in the series, because it has to do with free will vs control and that has something to do with the fact that there's so much emphasis on "choice" and the topic of synthetics as living beings, to demonstrate that we're actually enslaving them ourselves, and we also kind of enslave the Krogan to not having freedom of choice when we decide they can't give birth at their native ratio. There's a meta-story about the player making choices, and seeking the "freedom" from Reapers, while reminding us that we're kinda also doing things we blame the Reapers for, not with "mind" control, but kinda. The Geth Rewrite control is aptly compared to Reaper indoctrination, and Legion's acquisition level is inside of a Reaper full of examples of mind control.>I love the idea of post game being the local cluster, setting up for the sequel.I've always wantedPerfect scenario for me is ME5 is a "big" game with tons of new ideas, but in the interim EA/BioWare release a 2-hour game experience taking place in a small experimental play space, either as VR title or a First Person "Playable Teaser" thing, to demonstrate early showings of new tech for the 5th game and to give us something to do while we wait.Just anything so it isn't 6 fucking years and still waiting.
>>746047876Bioware really had issues with justifying why the fuck all those characters stick with you until the end. Often they even ignored explaining it at all. It's a big issue in Mass Effect and Kotor especially
>>746049558>>Just anything so it isn't 6 fucking years and still waiting.If the game came out of pre-production tomorrow, it would still need until late 2029 to release. So likely, this is a game that won't release before 2030 and, considering the current situation, we might even be looking at a more 2031 release, because even if the game came out of pre-production in 2027, the idea that everything would go smoothly and there'd be no setbacks or delays is just high fantasy at this point. But, depending on the RAM-pocalypse, artificial inflation, corporate feudalism, no right-to-repair, we could be looking at a population that is ~50% locked out of tech by 2029, leading into a societal collapse. Speculation for everyone!This game is never coming out.
>>746049748They are friends. What other explanation is needed?
>>746012147>0 repliesHAHAHAHA fucking faggot lolBlue board.
Femshep is for TRANNIES and QUEERS.
>>746051128They aren't even friends yet. Garrus, Tali and Wrex and Canderous, Mission and Zaalbar etc suddenly stick with you for no reason at all. Missions where you met them and recruit, nor even a talk on ships mention why the fuck are they still with you
>>746049960I accurately called when Veilguard entered production and it came out exactly 2 years after that point, so if it's in production now, it'll come out in 2028 most likely, maybe early 2029 yeah.I wonder if Casey Hudson is trying to pull something with KOTOR3. Like, maybe they're still talking together and either the fired ME5 team go to his new studio when EA deal goes through, or the KOTOR3 project is a ruse so Casey can do stack development unaffected by EA idiocy, and they merge that into ME5.I definitely think some of the former and ex BioWare staffers are talking regardless of EA still being in control of BioWare. I remember Gamble tweeting at Casey when he left that he was still gonna show him dev progress on ME5 as the project went. Casey might be like "Nah fuck that" but I think he's actually slightly involved. Mac didn't want fuck all to do with it, but that's not a bad thing. More likely scenario is that Casey Hudson is strategically placing the KOTOR 3 project so he has 1-2 years to react to how Exodus, Expanse and ME5 were received and make his game the true showpiece.I'm just kind of excited that there's 4 BioWare style sci fi games getting made, even if none of them reach ME1/2 levels of quality.
>>746049748They do an okay job of it in all the Mass Effect games IMO. The larger issue is that they don't always effectively use the Companion structure to tell a good story through companions. 2 got the closest to this, but got flack for what a "side-quest" it is. But it had the right idea that since you're gonna be having these characters be so central the game-story, and so many cutscenes, you had better make them a central aspect of the main story. But there's so many ways you can do an even better job at this. instead of each ME2 character just being a vignette with their own personal "episode", you should have 1 interwoven plot that's related to all the characters. Something they did in the past, or something they're planning to do, some seperately, some together, in the present... like, Zero Escape is a brilliant example where there's a cast of characters who really form the entire plot who are there the entire time, but kept things hidden from each other.And movies like The Usual Suspects. A game could be made like this where all the companions have a bit more to do with the central plot, and each of them also has a reason why they need to tag along with the protagonist to get involved, and each has a "Wrex" moment in the plot where they take a stand, or do a betrayal, and maybe 2 of them have history that needs to unravel, and at least 1 of them has to confront the protagonist in the final level almost like a villain.Because if you nailed that you'd have something that's both a good sci-fi plot that goes somewhere cool, but also have a perfect justification for why we always have to be around these "characters".
>>746051646>if it's in production now, it'll come out in 2028 most likelyStill in pre-production
>>746052025Then it's crossing the threshold into becoming a Cloud Only Mini-datacenter-exclusive game that you'll never own and can't mod.
>>746049748>>746051128>>746051471This is why Liara is the best Mass Effect character btw and I'm tired of pretending otherwise, despite all of the endless screeching about being the writers pet from armchair criticsNot only does she actually go and add value to the galaxy on her own time in order to be an equal player to Shepard and develop her own character and motivations, but she is also the only one with a truly tangible reason to stick by Shepards side so closely through everything that happens. He is imprinted on her, they've embraced eternity together and swam in the sea of euphoria, she was his closest confidant in the fight with Saren and gives the most insight to him as well as the most attention for his mental state. She's the only one who truly asks him how he's doing and she's the only one he truly confides in. He took her virginity, they killed her indoctrinated mother together, she fell deeply in love with him and is directly responsible for hunting his body down after he was killed in order to get him to the people who worked to revive him.The one true ride or die and Shepards other half, no other squadmate even compares whatsoever. Shove your Tali and Garrus
>>746044847We'll bang, okay? You can be Green Liara.
>>746052350>This is why Liara is the best Mass Effect characterSTOP right there. She is absolutely the writer's pet
>>746052350There's nothing wrong with Liara imo, other than being treated like the mainest of main characters but then not really having enough plot relevance and not enough romance specific interactions in 3.In fact, one of the things I'm doing in my mod for ME3 is I'm adding additional cues, like in her early conversation where she and Shepard can momentarily feel the buzz of horniness and interrupt the rest of the conversation with a spur-of-the-moment sex scene where they lock the door and make babies together.
Aw jeez dood if only Garrus and Tali were also writers pets
>>746011461The series was killed by EA and Bioware. They failed to realize they had in their hands a money printer like Skyrim that needed spinoffs centered in the Milky Way, its species and characters. Instead the series went silent for years to bring us Andromeda in the end. As far as the OG trilogy is concerned, it took the wrong direction (both story and gameplay-wise) with ME2 but 3 at least managed to deliver the best gameplay.
>>746011545But why though? Why is it so clearly better than the rest?
>>746052350>Not only does she actually go and add value to the galaxy on her own time Bro the guy she replaced as Shadow Broker had a record of everything TIM did, Liara couldn't even find his house, despite still being next to the same star.
>>746052706>In fact, one of the things I'm doing in my mod for ME3 is I'm adding additional cues, like in her early conversation where she and Shepard can momentarily feel the buzz of horniness and interrupt the rest of the conversation with a spur-of-the-moment sex scene where they lock the door and make babies together.Fund it.
>>746052908It chased all the cancerous modern game design choices at the time and you were a kid that grew up on them so you dont know anything better
>>746052908>Not t.aBetter design IMO. hard to explain simply but ME2 has the most constent volume of quality in the series.ME1 really impresses in the first hour on the Normandy, the first mission, the Citadel as you imagine the rest of the game being an ever-continuing stream of "that", and then you get to your first 2 UNC planets and realize that's why the game seemed too good to be true.ME3 is a game that immediately feels overly normalized, feeling a lot closer to other AAA games on the market and downplaying its own Mass Effect isms for "scripted set-piece" Call of Duty/Uncharted moments that contain awkward choreography, limited choice interactions that undermines the sense of "lots of things could be happening that you're not seeing in YOUR play through". And then you get to the Citadel and Normandy and realize they've taken the ME2 DLC approach to everything for the full game, where characters just make small commentaries instead of being fully interactive.ME2 on the other hand starts with many cutscenes and much gameplay. It's generic than 1, that is true. But it starts with many choices and cutscenes, and levels and shooting that look pretty distinct. And it STAYS that way for its entire run-time. Any mission you take has its own environment that's in balance between Conversation sequences AND Combat, and while exploration isn't as strong as before, at least every mission has a few side-rooms and extra characters to talk to for some roleplay moments. And they never "run out of budget" unlike the UNCs in 1 or the ambient design of ME3. You consistently get fully animated scenes with other characters both in the hub areas and during the missions, and they never betray the hidden contract between the written protagonist and the player being the protagonist, unlike in 3 where Shepard starts talking way too much without the player's control.It's somewhere within this that 2 zones you in better than the other 2 games did.
>>746011545I have always said this
>When questioned by Lieutenant Vega, Treeya relates her respect for Liara, but explains that since her mission with Commander Shepard, Liara's beliefs about the Reapers border on obsession, to the detriment of her academic career and reputation. To the public at large, there's still no concrete evidence the Reapers exist.Shepard turned his wife into a completely different person, he broke her down and reformed her in his own image. He was the first human Spectre and the first Reaper-killer, they walked on Ilos together and touched the ancient world that she so desperately sought to understand. And when he was killed by the Reapers she worked tirelessly to save his life and then become the first humanitarian Shadow Broker all in order to carry on his personal mission to stop the Reapers.Best girl.
Is there any reason to use any regular weapon other than the Mattock as a Soldier in 2? It's accurate enough at range that sniper rifles don't really feel useful. You can take a Scion down in one Adrenaline Rush volley on normal with the right setup with it.
>>746053157Both 2 and 3 chase "cancerous design choices" but 2 married them much better with the sauce that defined Mass Effect than 3 does.3 is just the combat element of the franchise coupled with gears of war to completion. ME2 is gears of war "isms" coupled with the same dialogue choice and volume of interactive cinematic content, interesting world locations that you get to not just walk around and see, but talk to NPCs even if they don't have an immediate side-quest, and then it also has a very unique game-plot structure on top of it. I think ME3 feels way more "action level to action level" than 2 does, in a bad way, and it's because 2 has us pick between an out-of-order sequence of main-plot related missions like the first game, and then after a set number the next central plot mission is introduced, and that builds up to this Suicide Mission concept that tops off the whole "Cinematic Space Opera" experience with a level where choices matter and the companions are the centerpiece, while the combat is played to its strengths too, and the whole universe and cinematic element soars too.ME1 has a fantastic endgame as well, but the cinematics and combat and environments are not consistently great, and at times the game just feels like it's full of afterthoughts. And ME3 is unimpressive because they trimmed away too much of the core pillairs of the series that isn't combat-related, to the point where it just becomes a AAA-generic rollercoaster where all I do is run forward through self-playing dialogue and shooting until I reach the goal, but I don't feel like I'm actually Shepard in that moment. I'm just "playing through a game level" like when I'm playing Call of Duty or Uncharted, and this makes the game experience less unique and worse to me.
>>746035480HOLY FUCKING BASED
>>746053845DLC weapons always trumps the vanilla weapons. The real challenge is not allowing yourself to use any of the DLC equipment and expeirence the game how it was when designers actually balanced it.
ME1 plays like shit
>>746053157I was 17 when I played the first two games and 18 when I played 3.Only zoomers grew up with rose tinted glasses for the third game while the rest of us lived in reality and saw it for the downgrade it was.
>>746052350>This is why Liara is the best Mass Effect character btw and I'm tired of pretending otherwise, despite all of the endless screeching about being the writers pet from armchair criticsAnon. She was a fucking dorky, socially reclusive archeologist that could barely go an entire conversation without being awkward. In the span of 2 years (the equivalent of a month for her very young life so far), she went from this to being a fucking spy mistress.It is not reasonable. Its fucking ludicrous. Clear character assassination, if Im being frank. She is absolutely a writers pet.>n-n-nuh uhDo you think YOU could go from being a social recluse 4chinz sperg and become a spy master in the span of a few years? Right.
>>746054151Its fun and better than gears clone number 52628.
>>746054475Asari live for 1000 years. She had lived for 108 by ME2. How many times do you think she's changed her life path in that time and gotten increasingly efficient at it?You haven't ever walked in an asari's shoes.
I'm going to ask this AGAIN but does anyone have that comic where Shepard takes a giant dump inside the crucible and the Catalyst goes 'thats a big shit' before turning the entire universe into poo-hybrids. It seems to be purged from the fucking internet.
>>746054606It's actually not, and it turns out that Gears of War goes extremely well along with dialogue wheels and side-quest content.
>>746040428>>746041350Star Control 1 and 2
ME3 with all DLC is unironically fineThe mp especially has insane replayability
>>746054750"Fine" is not the same as "one of the best games ever made, and terrific third game in a trilogy"It's worse than the first two games, even with all of its betterments of DLC and even most mods. ME3 fundamentally has an inferior design structure to it than before. The quest log barely being a quest log is just one issue. But it's fully of dumbed down design patterns and things that are just less interactive, and a plot-driven story with a terrible plot.
>>746054610That only highlights the point. She is the equivalent to a fucking 13 year old in Asari terms. A dorky 13 year old suddenly becomes a hardened spy mistress in what would equate to a month of her total lifespan. Stop trying to fucking justify it. Again, would YOU be able to do that? 180° your entire personalty, drop your social awkwardness, and become a spy master? No. Nobody here in this thread could, and I say this as someone who blends into normalfag society very well. Its unrealistic.
>>746053845Minmaxing the fun out of the game is why I always choose Vanguard. Fuck long range cover shooting and other left click spam garbage, move around the arena and use your squad, biotic powers and the boom stick.>>746054151LE1 fixes that. Honestly plays better than ME2 with how many abilities and weapon mods you can use, the physics system, and with way less restrictions with more open arenas. Once you get some mods going it's easily the most endlessly satisfying game to replay. ME3 has the best combat sure and the multiplayer is the most fun ME experience but the original game is still the best one.>>746054475See>>746053840Shepard changed her mentality permanently. She killed countless Geth, biotic cultists, spacers, pirates and Rachni. She will easily and repeatedly give Renegade dialogue at the end of ME1 recommending you sacrifice the Council. She will jump down and double tap Saren to make sure he's dead. She becomes ruthless, and it all happens on screen in front of your eyes. You clearly know absolutely nothing about the character whatsoever if you only define her as "dorky" simply because she's young. She's a pragmatist, a killer, she's a strategist, a confidant to an Alliance military commander in a war against the Reapers, she's a naturally gifted and extremely powerful biotic sorceress, and is easily the smartest and most naturally gifted crewmate in the entire series.Get fucked
>>746054606ME1 gameplay was barebones and the combat was extremely cheesable with adept powers.
>give me1 a replay>worked fine yesterday>go to play today and mouse keeps ending up on other monitor and game spazzes out when I try to shootdamnit
>>746054682It really does, and Gears shit is fucking cancer that destroyed lore and replaced exploration with a fucking minigame because they couldnt be assed enough to actually flesh out what ME1 did. It casualized the fuck out of the game and made you lose most of the tech tree. It made customizable ammo from ME1 a fucking skill. Its only redeeming aspect is its characters, and even that is overstated because you have absolute fucking travesties like Jacob.
>>746054936Why the fuck should it take an asari 100 years to make a big life change just because their lifespan should be proportional to a human teenager? She clearly experiences life in an overall same level of experience but has a slower hormonal development and degradation, so she's just a teenager with 10 times as much time to experience and making changes, so she's done it many times before.She was actually a design architect 10 years prior to deciding to become a prothean recluse nerd. And before that she was a fashion model. All just within a few years because she's had such a long life already and gets fed up with things quickly.
>>746054936>the blue space alien sorceress girl with magical virgin pussy......ISN'T REALISTIC
>>746055024>biotic powers were le broken!!!And fun. All they had to do was scale it back a bit with ME2, not turn the game into a fucking gears clone.
>>746055160I don't care about Thermal Clips because I didn't have any attachment to its Covenant Recharge shit before then.My personal peeve is that people are way too busy talking about how 2 "casualized" the series when 3 does that twice as hard. 3 is the game where it just stops feeling like a "questy/choicy" game, and just became a straight up action slop with background banter and choices for toddlers like every other game. Besides Cure/Sabotage the Genophage what choices do we make in 3 that are memorable? I think 2 does a way better job of immersing the player into roleplaying the character, and offering way more fun opportunities to make different decisions throughout. But maybe that's just the type of player I am. What I enjoy far most in all 3 games is the dialogue wheel itself, not being yet another video game series where I pull out weapons and shoot stuff. For me the shooting is always just "video game stuff" that I have to do between the interesting parts, and neither of the 3 games really did anything special with gameplay at any point.
>>746055162>She clearly experiences life in an overall same level of experienceAnd yet you keep avoiding the question of if YOU could do it (you cant). Interesting. How about you answer that. Grown fucking adults dont radically change their personality like that either by the way.
>>746055190I hate this entire aspect of the Mass Effect fanbase...
>>746054895>"Fine" is not the same as "one of the best games ever madeNone of the Mass Effect games are within striking distance of such a claim
>>746055024Thankfully 2 fixed that by giving every enemy armor, barriers or shields and making biotics worthless.
>>746055190>DUDE THERE IS FANTASY SO YOU CANT INSPECT INTERNAL CONSISTENCY IN EMOTIONS AND CHARACERIZATION DUDEIs there a more obvious way to admit you cant defend your argument than this midwit ass take? Yes retard, when the narrative shows human-like emotional processing and personalities, it is fucking strange when one character doesnt do this. Almost like... she is a writers pet
>>746055381>>746055549>DUDE YOUUU COULDN'T DO THAT!>>746055430Liara makes em seethe, what can I say. The easiest thing for an armchair critic to attack is the character who receives the most narrative focus. They get tunnel vision and will endlessly seethe about how the magical alien girl isn't realistic enough and has too much butter on her lobster.
>>7460553683 is universally known as a shitshow so people dont focus on it. You also dont have people trying to day 3 was good outside of more redined ME2 combat. Where as ME2fags insist that their gearclone is actually the best, even though it doesnt have the best combat (ME3) and absolutely fucks the lore set up by ME1. Its middle of the fucking road at best in everything except introducing some cool characters like Thane.
>>746011461it's not just mass effect. i've noticed a pattern of trilogies nearly always being ended by the third installment. it's a peculiar curse.
>>746055630Yes, its unrealistic. You have yet to prove otherwise outside of stomping your feat and saying that its ok that someone 180 their entir personality and how that definitely doesnt make her a writers pet even though thats exact what it meansYou can like her for being hot, knock yourself out. But going from a fucking dork to a hyper hardened spy mistress is insane.
>>746055734>Its middle of the fucking road at best in everything except introducing some cool characters like Thane.Truly fucking painful how true this undeniable reality becomes on replays. It's literally hard carried by conversations with cool aliens. Which is really only that good once or twice.
>>746055630>someone gives critique>WOW LIARA IS MAKING THEM SEETHEImagine getting personally offended when someone points out flaws in the writing of a character you like.
>>746055878>DUDE BUT COULD YOU DO THAT?
>>746055974Yes, could you do this? Do you realistically expect a socially awkward 13 year old to become a hardened spy master? Go on, dont be shy.
>>746055972>it's a flaw in the characters writing that.....she was changed by her mission with ShepardShe became a hardened killer during the events of Mass Effect 1. Bore witness to the visions of the beacon, became obsessed with the Reapers and dedicated her life to stopping that threat. Her mission and Shepards mission are one in the same. Neither character is more unrealistic than the other. Shepard literally is revived from beyond the grave. It's unrealistic that she became the Shadow Broker, it's unrealistic that Shepard took down a human skeleton Reaper with a handgun.And yeah, she's DEFINITELY making this dude seethe. Really, really badly.
>>746055908Not to mention all the other retarded shit.>shepard, we know you saved us from a machine that is absolutely far beyond anything we are capable of, BUT REAPERS DONT EXIST LMAOLike the entire council thing from paragon side is so fucking retarded. And all they had to do was have the council be like "look, we believe you about the reapers obviously, but we cant officially acknowledge it because it would make everyone freak the fuck out. We are covering it up as a geth attack only, and were still rebuilding. We'll help you as best as we can, but we have our hands full."
>>746055469I think ME2 is one of the greatest games ever made, and ME1 is an extremely important game in the span of all AAA games in terms of new design ideas it introduced that have clearly stuck around. They were pioneering.
>>746055734>>746055908I've played the 3 games innumerable times. Even as I can "see" how 2 isn't quite doing what it should but I've never had this "epiphany" when replaying it. It's still fucking fantastic and builds itself up and gets better and then once again pays off with the Suicide Mission all over again. So much of this is just raw composition and peaks and valleys. And 3 being bad still isn't because 2 neglected the trilogy to me. 3 is just bad because you get to it, and there's so many of the design "lessons" they taught themselves with the first 2 games that they're just not using this time around, and a lot of laziness that began in the ME2 DLC content is being mainlined in 3's main game content. 3 just feels like a worse "game" to me, and that's the primary reason I dislike it.
>>746056360>They were pioneering.What did Mass Effect do that was so transformative for the industry or RPGs?
>>746056078>Can you shoot blue magic from your fingers? No? Checkmate atheist!Imagine unhinging your mental over the blueberry sorceress (from outer space) instead of accepting her role as Shepards other half and a protector of the galaxy. Couldn't be me. She was set up from the very beginning. Young Asari, species that can live for a thousand years.
>>746055734If 3 is a shitshow then 2 is a shitshowneither game is that deep, and your decisions very clearly don't matter that much regardless, well before the ending
>>746056241Shepard was already hardened military, it is absolutely not the same. And no, the events of ME1 didnt 180 her fucking personality. It is absolutely a writing flaw that a character acted OOC from ME1 depictions. No other character is like this. Tali didnt suddenly become her opposite despite also being a young teen. A bit more matured, sure, but not fucking unrecognizable. Garrus changed a bit, but he is still Garrus. Only Liara is like this. And you have the audacity to say she isnt a writers pet.You wont answer my question because you know god damn well it would be insane to think it was remotely feasible.
>>746056625What Im saying is that nobody defends me3 so it doesnt get focused on like me2 fags defending their slop
>>746052350Kek he's mad now.
>>746056687that's fairIt's like How Halo 3 babbys are the most annoying Halo fans even though there are far worse halo games since
>>746056582>character is extremely similar to human emotional spectrums>"could you do [insane thing]?">UMMMMM BUT THERE IS MAGICAbsolute midwit take
>>746056628And Liara was already a biotic specialist. Hardened by an Asari Matriarch. She was already willing to fight and kill her mother. She didn't need convincing. She was always a formidable foe. Did you not see the fuckhuge energy prison that they had her locked up in? The events of 1 absolutely changed her personality. She became obsessed with the Reapers.Did you play the game?
>>746056914The energy prison was a Prothean security system that she accidentally triggered.
>>746056701Im using your terminology that you brought up. Id say more like a "mary sue" personally>teehee my character is so nerdy and dorky and shy but she is beautiful and then turns into an ebin spy mistress in 2 years because she is that awesome and the most badass man in the universe lusts after her xDJust keep her dorky side, its that simple. That aspect disappears from her ENTIRELY. Why?
1>>>3>>2
>>746056914>Hardened by an Asari Matriarch. Kek, you really had to reach for that one
>>746056687Because ME3 is literal slop, but ME2 is slop that still has a trace of that true sauce that started the series. I think this is because much of 2's writing, fragmented as it may be, was done by the writers of the first game in a period of its development where the game still looked a lot like a true ME1 sequel. You can see this in much of the early footage. It haf the same HUD and shield system as 1, and they had plans to keep making UNCs. I sometimes think the main plot is literally another Veilguard moment where they kept rethinking it enough times until shit hit the fan and someone had to make the hard call to say that because we can't figure out something deeper we're doing the straightforward thing and making the Suicide Mission concept.But ultimately a lot of 2 feels like it's still fleshing out things that were unexamined in the first game, even if it could've been a much bigger and deeper sequel. But I can't appreciate 3 at all because it just feels way too spiritually different to me, and as if it's pretending there is a story where there actually isn't one. 2 is full of little moments that adds to the legacy of ME1 to me. ME3 never feels that way to me.
I don't understand why anyone would shitpost that Liara isn't just as hardened as every other squadmate. She's on the same squad. She has extremely powerful abilities. Where exactly is this idea coming from that she's a timid mouse?
>>746056914>she became obsessed She already fucking was, did you even play the game? And she had to put down her mother because of circumstance, and ahe wasn't close to her. And then after that you can have a conversation where she spaghettis on shepard about wanting to make him a test subject.None of which suddenly gives her the aptitude to be a SPY MISTRESS of which she has ZERO TRAINING IN and then can suddenly track the shadow broker better than any government in the galaxy ALL IN TWO YEARS.
>>746011545ME2 was nothing more than a giant codex entry into the lore, no actual story.
>>746057243Half of her dialogue is her being socially retarded in ME1
>TWO YEARS!You are so fucking mad bro.
>>746057243Talk to her in ME1 and you'll see.
>>746011461>How do [imagined people I made up being upset] about Mass Effect 3 being good when it [deranged lie]5/10 bait, now fuck off
>>746057243Do you think an archeologist could become a spy master in 2 years with no formal training, completely opposite of their personality, to the extent that they are better than people that have been doing this their entire lives? Is this realistic writing Anon? Be sure to answet the question instead of deflecting and running like a pussy.
>>746057365>now he is passive aggressive postingLol. Sorry I hurt your feefees I guess. Next time just say she is hot and you like her instead of trying to justify absolutely unrealistic writing. You wont get embarassed that way
>ME2 >Squad willing to die for you and to save the galaxy>ME3 >Those same squad members when the threat is even larger: Actually Shepard I have personal stuff that's more important right now good luck though
>>746057291>None of which suddenly gives her the aptitude to be a SPY MISTRESS of which she has ZERO TRAINING IN and then can suddenly track the shadow broker better than any government in the galaxy ALL IN TWO YEARS.This is the most damning thing honestly. Though a lot of this is because the entire notion of what they did with the shadow broker was really fucking dumb after building them up.
>>746057243Maybe you should play ME1
>>746057352>>746057391>>746057854And what does her speaking voice or conversation style (around Shepard who she has the hots for) have to do with how she operates in the field? I think you might need to actually PLAY the game with her in your squad for once (instead of Tali?) and realize that she's literally just as capable as any other squadmate in the series is if not more so. Play with her and Wrex and listen to their conversations and you'll learn quickly how "shy" she really is. She has more lived experience than anyone else in the series outside Samara who is a blip on the radar in relevancy.Just because she's "awkward" (she's supposed to seem alien) doesn't mean she's fucking retarded or incompetent. She's just as much of a killer as everyone else on the team.https://youtu.be/_NQdDNpL-EI?t=1101>>746057534>>746057636Mad as fuck.
>>746057770The Shadow Broker being a neutral third-party that provided information to anyone and everyone that could afford it was far more intriguing than him turning out to be a single weird hostile alien.>>746058016Ludonarrative dissonance. Liara is a college co-ed archeologist. She shouldn't be a hardened soldier. Tali has the excuse that her people would have trained her for it explicitly since every quarian has to undergo the Pilgrimage.
>>746058016>m-madAnswer the question. Is it reasonable that an archeologist with zero training could become a spy master in 2 years? So much so that they outpace the best efforts of every other government? Would you expect this in real life?
>>746058261>She shouldn't be a hardened soldier.You don't understand anything whatsoever. She's the daughter of an Asari Matriarch. She was raised to be a biotic warrior. Now you're defending Tali like the space aids gypsy being a soldier is somehow more realistic whenever Liara is literally a 100 year old sorceress.Wrex tells Liara that she's pretty powerful, and asks if other Asari are just as powerful as her. "Not all of us have the desire nor the skill to use their abilities effectively". Wrex responds "You could've conquered the galaxy if you'd wanted to." Seems to me like Liara is pretty fucking strong and willing to use her abilities if Wrex is the one saying it.>>746058263>in real lifeYou are COPING bro. Keep seething about Liara all night.
>>746058468>raised to be a biotic warriorShe very explicitly wasn't. It's stated in game her and Benezia had a distant relationship, and she went to school to study the Protheans, not to become a commando.
>>746058468It's an honor to have you here in the thread, Drew.
>>746058648And while a powerful biotic, before being indoctrinated Benezia very openly was more of a diplomat and advisor.
>>746037417The ME2 ending sequence and the DLCs were obviously different hands trying to prep for ME3. It was 100% obvious the original plan was for each individual reaper to be unique and modelled after an individual species like the human reaper was. Then by the end of ME2's crunch people that were doing preproduction on ME3 killed that because it would raise costs for their game when they could copy-paste Sovereign.
>>746055160ME2 still has exploration and sidequests, but not as lazy as ME1
>>746058648All Asari are purebloods. They reproduce asexually and "mating" with another race just randomizes some of their genetic code to some degree.
>>746054620https://files.catbox.moe/e6m0fj.jpg
>>746059058purebloods explicitly refers to the offspring of two asari
So, who's looking forward to the next game pulling a Deus Ex Invisible War and somehow making every 3 ending canon?
>>746058468>You are COPING bro. Keep seething about Liara all night.Why cant you answer this question?>its fantasyAnd? Emotional drives, personality, training, etc should be internally consistent.Lets try a different question: if the shadow broker could be traced by someone with zero training in spy mistress shit in 2 years, why couldnt any government do this? What makes Liara, an archeologist, better than literally everyone in the galaxy at this? How is it realistic withing the confines of the universe's own internal rules? Is everyone else stupid, or is Liara a giga genius savant that is good at everything and that makes everyone look retarded by comparison? Fuck shepard, someone with that sheer amount of talent should be the spectre apparently
>>746058967Drones are not better than mako.
>>746059335It'll be destroy but the geth are alive. And EDI if the VA will take cutrate pay
>>746058582>all Asari have natural biotic skill>not all have the desire nor skill to use their abilities effectivelyShe very explicitly tells you plain as day who she is. Do you understand what she's saying? "I have the desire and the skill to use my natural talents". Where did she get her skills? She was raised by her mother. Her mother has powerful biotic abilities as well. She's not a commando, she's much more important than that. Liara was raised to become a matriarch and follow in her mothers foot steps in galactic politics, not to be fodder for Thessia.>>746059465>still mad as fuck>never not mad as fuckThe fact that the daughter of the 1000 year old matriarch right hand of Saren, who is the waifu of the baddest man in the galaxy, is capable of becoming the Shadow Broker, is the least of your problems with how realistic Mass Effect is. You seriously need to give it a rest Talifag.
>>746058468>raised to be a biotic warriorHer Mom was a fucking diplomat
Reminder Commander Shepard is in the “Thessia Files”.
>>746059598Why do you refuse to answer the question?>TalifagOh fuck off, you cant win the argument so you boogyman. I dont think Tali would be qualified to be the SB either, but it would be more plausible than fucking Liara. Thanks for admitting it isnt remotely realistic and therefore terrible writing thought, I accept your concession
>>746059619>According to Liara, Benezia feels that the asari should have a greater role in shaping galactic events. She is Saren Arterius' executor and a fellow Binary Helix investor.
>>746059530Anon you literally travel around the galaxy and explore worlds and do sidequests on themhttps://masseffect.fandom.com/wiki/N7:_Blue_Suns_BaseThey simply aren't barren rocks with copypasted base anymore
>>746059764You have like 3 missions on copy pasted barren rocks, everything else is a hub city. It is not as good as driving around in the mako
>>746059738>winSeethe again.
>>746059741What part of that disproves that she was a diplomat or that she was a biotic super warrior or that she trained Liara to be this way, especially when her and Liars didnt even get along too well? Do you have an actual quote about any of your fanfiction being remotely real?
>>746027223Honestly, I would like them to make some spinoffs (assuming that the devs gave a shit)>follow a detective on the citadel, would mostly play like ME>krogan/rachni war in gears of war/space marine style>political intrigue surrounding the council in telltale formatI think taking a step back from galaxy-ending disasters would be nice and would give it more oomph when the writers actually come up with a threat of that size.
>>746060001>You have like 3 missions on copy pasted barren rocksall of me1 worlds exploration are like thisme2 has actual, unique sidequests in unique locations spread out in galaxy, which are better than barren rocks you drive on with mako
>>746060031Yea, you literally cant. Youve ran from every question I posed or go "w-w-well there is fantasy elements so therefore nobody should be bound by realitic cognitive capacity"By your logic, Joker could be the fucking SB and thats all perfectly acceptable writing.
>>746060135Mass effect 2 has sidequests in hub worlds and the few off worlds are barren.
>>746060238ME2 galaxy exploration missions are all unique and with more effort put into them than ME1 galaxy exploration missions
>>746060083It certainly explains how Liara might have some insight on "shaping galactic affairs", no? I don't need to explain why Liara is a powerful biotic specialist, the game is pretty damn clear about that. It's all very clearly laid out. Benezia taught Liara how to fight. She didn't learn to fight on the dig site. She was raised to replace her mother. Her mother can fight. She was capable of resurrecting the Rachni after 2000 years. Go listen to Wrex tell you how powerful Liara is, not me.>>746060173I don't need to play your game, all I have to do is make you dance my little puppet. Seethe again
>>746060472Except that they are all on hub worlds and the ones off of it are rocky bullshit without any atmosphere like ME1. A single screenshot of ME1 planet exploration mogs anything from ME2
>>746060491>I don't need to play your game, all I have to do is make you dance my little puppet. Seethe againYou wont because you cant lol
>>746060491So in other words, its your headcanon. She absolutely is not a biotic warrior and absolutely did not train Liara as such. Post a single point of hard proof otherwise.
>>746060491>she was trained as a warrior>w-well I dont need to explain itLmao
>>746060491Having abilities doesnt make you a warrior, dont move the goalpost
Sweaty sex with Garrus
So I take it this Liarafag is a resident schizo? I dont come to ME thread often
>>746061084Yes
>>7460129803 people tried to be friends with you and 14 years later here you are talking shit about them on an internet message board maybe you should have said yes :"(
>>746061241>wanting to associate with normalfags
>>746011461People pretend 3 is good? I've never seen it. Even 2 is shit, and 3 is much worse than 2.
>>746060472>more effort put into them than ME1 galaxy exploration missionsME1 had better immersion and worldbuilding in all of its exploration, and it came from the sense that there was a galaxy you were exploring at your own pace. And even though there was clear copypasting going on you never really knew what you'd find out there on the next planet. You'd get a piece of a puzzle on one planet and the objective would update and send you to another one, or to a satellite floating in space. There were great bite size moments and concepts that would get introduced and resolved immediately>>746060726What was the question little shitter?>>746060804>>746060862>>746060950She is, in-game, more of a biotic warrior than Wrex or Kaidan are. That's just a fact. Dread it, run from it, it remains the truth all the same. Wrex is a Krogan battlemaster. Kaidan was trained with the L2. Liara is an Asari who was raised by Benezia. That's the text.
>>746061394Having abilities does not make you a fucking warrior you utter retard. You said she was trained as a biotic warrior. She wasnt. At all. The narrative says as much. She had a lot of latent ability, she want in fucking asari commando squads. You made shit up and are now playing semantics because your ego is too fragile to admit you made it up.
>>746060636none of those are on hub worlds holy shit you did not play the game
>>746011461mass defect trilogy was the defition of slop. They were call of duty games but with telltale "choices" which is what every normalfag that shouldve been filtered from gaming loved about them. They had all the dogshit things that made AAA games bad but of course /vee/ ignores that. I love mass effect 3 due to it being a massive rugpull on these retards when they thought they were making meaningful choices just to get buttfucked by EA and SHITTYwareMass Defect 2 being called one of the greatest games ever for also being a shitty call of duty campaign where nothing happens and all the story is at the very beginning and very end of the game is hilarious when mass effect 1 was trying so hard to build that story just for 2 to stall it. The final boss was so bad in 2 that it made me question if gamers cling to the most dogshit garbage just to fit inIf I were to say one good thing though its that mass effect 1 was pretty solid and felt the least like a shitty call of duty cover shooter campaign but thats itmass defect games insist upon themselves
>>746061394>What was the question little shitter?Are you saying youre too illiterate to follow a reply chain? Yes, I guess that tracks since you think a character being OOC and somehow outpacing everyone else in the galaxy in 2 years is good writing.
She's much, much stronger than Asari commando squads.
>>746061550And they have zero actual exploration, they are barebones as fuck with zero atmosphere.
>>746061670sounds like every shitty mass defect game
>>746061394So how come she is better at tracing the SB than galactic governments in 2 years time? How is this not a "writers pet"?Uh oh, beter run again since you cant answer that.
>>746061731Aww, poor widdle babby is mad that nobody replied to his shit opinion piece. Buck up champ, just samefag yourself for updoots
>>746061550Bro those "planets" where you scan the planet and then instantly land at "the base" which is just a bunch of chest high wall gameplay instead of moon rover kino were completely forgettable. That's the thing about ME1 that's so special, there's a genius balance of variety between on foot and Mako exploration, on foot and Mako combat, conversations, and cutscenes. ME2 took out that exploration and added a hacking mini game and a scanning mini game. It's not a bad game it just doesn't give you the feeling that MASS EFFECT gives you.
>>746061856i mean mass defect trilogy is now considered trash, has one of the most famous shitty endings ever and bioware is a dead company so Im not losing to anything really
>>746061969>u-u-um e-everyone th-th-thinks-Bro go shit your diaper somewhere else
>>746061793I bet if you spam "writers pet" and "spy mistress" for another decade you're going to eventually get somewhere with all your endless, nonstop seethe over a DLC from ME2, the game everyone agrees isn't the masterpiece of the series that the first game is in this dead ass franchiseLike I said, I don't have to play your game. I just have to watch you dance. So please, seethe again
>>746061969The Mass Effect trilogy is one of a kind.
>>746011545FPBP
>>746062030>u-u-um e-everyone th-th-thinks-exactly, nobody is buying their games anymore because they are bad and lost all goodwill
>>746060636No, they aren't. Hub world sidequests aren't listed under N7 thereThose missions have a plenty of visual and gameplay variety in them, alongside better designed combat encounters than ME1>>746061910Mass Effect is a Gears of War clone, action game with very, very light RPG elements to begin with since the first game. It's the game which killed cRPGs for over a decade by forcing Voiced Protagonist and dialogue wheel cancer.Chest walls are in ME1 all the same. Only thing of note on ME1 barren planets were copy pasted buildings to which you had to waste time driving through dead rocks.ME2 does make galaxy exploration better, objectively. Sidequests on planets weren't replaced by scanning, that's a separate mechanic to make all planets in a world usable in a way.
>>746061520She was trained as a biotic warrior. So was WrexWhy believe it happened for Wrex off screen but not Liara? We met Liara's mother who raised her and she was a powerful biotic. Urdnot Wrex the Krogan Battlemaster and King of the Krogan himself admires her biotic prowess in life or death combat. You should do the same thing instead of seething about the sexy blue space alien sorceress, you'd be much happier
>>746062420>ME2 shitter is desperately trying to pretend ME1 was never good actually
That's your opinion. Here's my take on ME3:> it has the best gunplay of the entire trilogy> act 1 was epic, act 2 was decent, act 3 was ass (the real reason why you're on 4chan screaming about this game, just admit it)> DLC was pretty solidOverall, in my honest opinion, it's a good game. The best in the trilogy? No. But it's still a great game. I'm waiting for the neckbeard responses screaming at me why I'm (objectively) wrong, looking forward to it.
>>746062517Mass Effect is a very casual action movie game. ME2 expands on those casual action movie game aspects, nothing surprising here, nothing weird.
>>746062153>Like I said, I don't have to play your gameAnd like I said, you wont because you cant. Because you know Im right. So you run like a pussy. Because you cant admit that a character you like has terrible writing.You cant answer why a fucking archeologist can somehow become a better.... INTELLIGENCE GATHERER (since you seem to hate me using a label for some reason) in 2 years than entire galactic governments. Because no matter how you slice it, its bad writing that either makes everyone incompetent or makes her a hyper giga brain genius that makes everyone look slow. Aka, a "writers pet" or a "mary sue". You will ignore this again because you know I intellectually bested you, and repeat that Im "seething" even though you cant defend your argument in any capacity. Its not that you wont play Anon. You arent an internet cool guy. You simply cant do it because I locked you into a lose-lose situation in your argument. You lost, plain and simple. Feel free to actually address the argument and prove me wrong. I know you wont.
>>746062723>hes still shitting his diaperYou really came into a thread on a game you hate and are desperately looking to pick a fight multiple times when nobody bothered to take your retarded take seriously.
>>746062427She was not trained as a biotic warrior. That is your fanfic. Post a single shred of evidence saying this ever happened.
Fuck Turian women.
>>746062709Thats the consensus take by most people. I personally think ME2 is whatever, but ME2fags are so fucking insufferable that it colors my view on it a bit
>>746062723>guts the roleplaying systems>guts the talents>guts the weapon customization>guts the armors>guts the armor customization>guts the itemization>guts the shops down to bare minimum>guts interesting license system and economy down to the most obvious "you want to buy me" shoehorned shops you've ever seen>guts the planet surface exploration>guts kino moon rover vehicle exploration>guts kino satellite space stations>guts atmosphere>adds le spooky grimdark>adds le evil glowing red eyes for Renegade>adds revived from the dead plot>adds Saturday morning cartoon bullshit>adds daddy issues>adds more daddy issues>oops! all daddy issuesMass Effect 2 is a good game but I'm sick and tired of people trying to prop up ME2 by pushing Mass Effect under the bus. You're not clever. You're not cute.
>>746062420>ME2 does make galaxy exploration better, objectively. Show a single screenshot better than his.
>>746063072Oh yeah, and adds BORING FUCKING SCANNING AND PROBING AND MINING!Miri's ass does and did a lot of heavy lifting in this game.
>>746063221Even Miranda cant carry it since she herself is boring as fuck. Like her conflict is being Grunt but more boring and having a nice ass.
>>746063221Ummm actually thats censored for being problematic now. Do better.
>>746062803>galactic governmentsIncompetent fools. Liara mogs them all easily. You believe the same is true of Shepard, yes? You believe Shepard can accomplish untold feats in 2 years. You would never claim that's bad writing for hours and hours and hours of your life over a decade afterwards, would you?Is there something else going on here? Why are you upset that the only other character in the series to approach Shepards level of competency is.....his wife?Why does Liara's competency make you so irrationally angry?
>>746063358Shepard is set up as being THE guy. And even then, him doing shit oitside of his skillset out of nowhere doesnt fucking happen. Not equivalent at all.Im glad you admitted it isnt realistic and is bad writing. Concession accepted.
I will never let Liara have Shepard
>>746063358>its ok that Liars is more competent than all governmentsThere it is, Liarafag definitively shows he is a retard. I bet you soiface over YA fiction. Please never write anything in your life.
>>746063503>Liara accomplishes something the galactic governments can't>Shepard accomplishes something the galactic governments can't>"Not equivalent at all."You fucking lost so badly. And you're mad about it too. And you always will be. That's the saddest part. This has obviously been a major thorn in your side for YEARS of your life. And you'll never, ever live it down. You'll be mad the next time, and the next time, and the next time. Liara broke your mind.>>746063619The Council didn't believe the Reapers were real after one invaded The Citadel. Shepard knew the galactic governments that you are championing were all completely retarded. They are literally shown to be incompetent. That's in the very first game. They are blind fools.How can you be this passionate about something that you understand so little?
>>746063358I must have missed the part where Shepard suddenly became hyper competent in a skill he had no training in and far outstripped every expert in the galaxy in said skill. Can you point to it?
>>746063737Show me the part where Shepard gets better than every specialist in something he had zero ability in within 2 years time.
>>746062896What the fuck are you even talking about? Guy lied that ME2 replaced exploration with scanning, while ME2 actually has better designed sidequests on random planets than ME2 so I corrected him. Scanning is a separate mechanic which does not replace exploration.Mass Effect 1 is a casual, action movie game with light RPG elements. Which did kill cRPGs by forcing Voiced Protagonist and Dialogue Wheel onto industry, casualizing and simplifying entire genre, denying it to true cRPG players. Go to any cRPG hub like RPGCodex and you will see people rightfully shitting on it for this very reason. This isn't a controversial statement, ME1 was simply another consolefag dudebro game in the worst time period in Vidya industry>>746063072Mass Effect 2 literally has a modular armor system and superior itemization than cancer inspired by diablo (another stain upon RPGs)ME1 wasn't an RPG to begin with. They are all a simple action games no different from Gears, to play casually when you don't feel like putting any effort or brainpower or anything into them. ME1 already gutted any and all RPG mechanics, which was a natural path for BioWare ever since Neverwinter and Kotor 1 in particular. Each title making their games more cinematic, casual and like movies>>746063121Just pick any screenshot from those N7 missions listed there
>>746063737...do you think the beaurocrat at the top are personally trying to trace the SB and not the literal legions of spys and hackers and such? Are you fucking stupid?
>>746063903>cant do itYou cant show anything approaching his pic.
>>746063903Bro you fucking REEK
>>746063965https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/masseffect/images/c/c4/ME2_N7_-_gei_hinnom.png/revision/latest?cb=20230303203733Any of them is better. Not hard to do, it's enough they are all unique and not featureless random rocks
>>746064075>generic jungleLmfao, if you didnt tell me what its from, I would think it was from some Uncharted game. Nice "space" atmosphere retard
>>746064075Bro, if you think this seriously looks better than >>746061910 and had better atmosphere as a fucking space game, then you need to get your eyes checked
>>746063771>Shepard suddenly became hyper competent in a skill he had no training inHe finds the last remaining Prothean because he's the Chosen One I guess, and then becomes literally the entire nexus point between entire cycles. He speaks to the last remaining Prothean to understand who the Protheans really are (knowledge that nobody in the entire cycle has ever obtained). Shepard either successfully stops The Reapers in a multitude of ways (something that is completely fucking impossible and unrealistic btw) or otherwise his efforts set up the next cycle that follows to defeat the Reapers, all because his wife was that damn helpful. He is the only man to ever "kill a Reaper" which makes a Reaper PERSONALLY OBSESSED WITH HIM. He is killed and is resurrected again, something that is completely impossible and unrealistic. HE BECOMES GOD OF THE GALAXY if you so choose. He can and will become instantly hyper competent at absolutely everything that he wants to do, the moment that he wants to do it. He's the protagonist. He LITERALLY SURVIVES the Destroy ending if you have high enough EMS. He is untouchable and God-like.>>746063912None of those literal legions of spies and hackers that exist in your imagination ever thought The Reapers were real and they didn't care about The Collectors either.What you don't know can fill a space station.
>>746064075Looks like concept art for a generic jungle platformer
>>746064075HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAlol
>>746064254He got gifted information that took several mindfucks for him to make sense of, outside of that hes just pinnacle space marine. He never, ever develops a skill that he has zero training in out of nowhere and surpasses everyone else. That never happens. You cant point to it because it doesnt exist.
>>746064254>None of those literal legions of spies and hackers that exist in your imaginationBro. Are you literally 12?
>>746064391>He never, ever develops a skill that he has zero training in out of nowhere and surpasses everyone else.He kills a Reaper 1v1 with a bazooka lmfao
>>746064064Are you going to deny that ME1 is anything but that? Don't make me laugh. It's not some hardcore cRPG, never was. It's massively dumbed down compared to fucking Kotor and that was terrible already>>746064152>>746064209>>746064259It literally, objectively does look better. Like all of them do, since an actual effort was put into designing and making them.Pick any other if you wish, they are all radically different and equally unique due to being nicely handcrafted https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/masseffect/images/f/fc/ME2_N7_-_sinmara.png/revision/latest?cb=20230303201538>>746064385Saarfield tier sloppa
>>746064447Your hypothetical legion had absolutely zero data on The Reapers. Womp womp! I guess Liara really is way better than they are, they're all incompetent nincompoops who believe The Council line.
>>746064254>None of those literal legions of spies and hackers that exist in your imaginationDo you not think that governments do this? Are you actually fucking retarded?>well you see, the hackers didnt know about reapersWhat in the FUCK does this have to do with the fact that they couldnt trace the SB but Liara could after 2 years despite zero training? How i this related? Why would they even know this at all? Are you ok???
>>746064537All of the day bro.
>>746064537>its betterPost it literally anywhere and ask what people prefer.
>>746064583>a literal Reaper parked itself on the hood of the Citadel>your precious legion has zero insightsLiara was there though and she knew better. So I give her the edge. The fact that she is able to do something that they can't do isn't really surprising to me. (((They))) aren't named protagonist level characters in the narrative. They can't and won't accomplish shit.
>>746064541>hypothetical Do you seriously think governments dont have intelligence ops, you absolute fucking retard?>reapersWhat does this have to do about the shadow broker? And Liara didnt know shit either by the way, she had hunches from her archeologist adventures, she didnt get a clear picture of anything until she mindfucked shepard.This is getting embarassing.
>>746064594Zero effort, zero soul, zero design, zero quality>>746064637Done that already. Saarfield was shat onto for those same reason. Empty, generated rocks are soulless
>>746064669>because Liara happened to run into space chad that confirmed her theories in archeological shit, this means she is a better hacker/spy mistressWhat did he mean by this?
>>746064747No you didnt lol. Post right now.
>>746064669This has literally nothing to do with with tracing the shadow broker
>>746064743All that seethe and yet your not-named hacker legion of characters without plot relevance still didn't know anything about anything that matters. It must suck to stick up for imaginary legion, an entire construct of networks of characters that don't exist, all to get mad that your imaginary functioning system of governance that should be working to catch the Shadow Broker.....instead of letting the heroes of the story solve problems.If you wrote ME1, The Council would have just arrested Saren and there would have been no game. That would be more realistic though right?
Im tempted to make a jewtube video absolutely shitting on ME2, going over how badly Liara and other aspects were handled, and using this retarded faggot as a stand in for the retard audience. Like holy shit, how can someone be this dumb
>the guy ITT absolutely SEETHING for hours about how Liara was able to track down the Shadow Broker
>YWN
>>746064957More like you cant justify it without doing crazy ass gymnastic and bringing up shit that has nothing to do with the argument. Liara getting to read Shepards mind has literally zero baring on her tracing/spying skills and he ability to develop this in 2 years. You are grasping at straws because you know its fucking ridiculous.And no, ME1 makes sense because Saren has his own fucking ship and its a massive galaxy. Nothing unrealistic within universe rules.>but muh heros must solve-Then make it a collaborative effort from all the TECH EXPERTS of the fucking series, maybe working with TIMs data network, etc. Or, you know, dont have the SB be a single fucking person. Its all shitily written, and it being tied to Liara is why her writing was dogshit.You cant justify it.
>>746065047>its seething to point out that Liara magically developing skills she never had to outstrip every expert in two years is stupidI get you eat up isekaislop too.
>ME2fags getting asspained over their dogshit game getting dunked on AGAINLmao
>>746064867https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/mass-effect-1-2-under-rated-or-shit.75203/
>>746065528>more than half the comments shitting on ME2Bro?
>>746065528>says that he posted comparisons of screencaps from the two games like in this thread>posts somefaggot bitching 14 years ago instead of said comparison
God damn, now I want to replay ME1 again. Ive done soldier, vanguard, and infiltrator. What should I be this time?
>>746065923Sentinel
>>746065252The Illusive Man also knew about The Reapers.Why didn't the galactic governments? They seem like retarded nincompoops who need some serious guidance. A rag tag group of people who aren't trained to control the galaxy could easily take control of the galaxy.
>THE SEXY FEMALE LOVE INTEREST OF THE PROTAGONIST CAN'T BE SMARTER THAN THE RETARDED INCOMPETENT ALIEN VILLAINS NOOOOOOOOOO
>>746065923Mega tank Sentinel. Im thinking about doing an ME2 playthrough with Sentinel with Domimate as this mindflayer kinda build.
>>746066104>triples down on unrelated point because he cant address a simple argumentBut sure, lets go with that. TIM also couldnt trace the SB. Guess God Empress Liara is just THAT much smarter!If youre going to attempt to derail the argument, maybe atleast try not to undermine your own fucking "point".
>>746066175>passive aggressive posts right after his retarded talking pointHoly shit youre so pressed lol. Are you frustrated that I keep forcing you to stay in the pocket of the argument and dismantle your attempts to bring irrelevant bullshit and your feelings into it?
>>746066029>>746066184Hm, what does sentinel get in ME2/3? I cant remember. I know sentry was engineer
>>746058936So your cope is that the shit parts of 2, that ruined the series and made 3 impossible to pull off no matter what happened, don't count because...? I don't care. 2 is shit for other reasons but you stupid niggers refuse to accept that because you were impressed by the shiny new (lol) combat mechanics and one or two of new marvel tier characters.
Welp, I gotta get going. I accept Liarafag's concession since I keep destroying his retarded points. Ill let you have the last word since I know thats important to you.
>>746066464Tech armor
>>746022986Those are the only two good characters I also like SAM but he's very much a non-character
Mass Effect 3 hate is the most groupthink astroturfed thing from the early 2010s.I don't even have a problem with people calling the game bad, but it can't be bad if 2 is considered a masterpiece. The delta between the two games is not that large.
>>746067453Took 448 replies for anyone to say something actually true.
>>746067453the delta is quite large. ME2 is 80% side quest vignettes over companion recruitment and loyalty missions, more character study than space opera. ME3 is 80% main plot stuff (as ME1 was). it's just ME1 but bad writing
>>746067934>the delta is quite largeMaybe at launch. 3 has some pretty excellent DLC, and the multiplayer is peak
>>746067453trvke
>>746011461the combat and skills were pretty good, just needed more enemies and better animations for some stuff. but everything else sucked yeah, including the mission design and encounter design.
>>746068464only citadel is good. and theres no multiplayer in legendary, I assume its dead
>>746065110>tumblr art
>>746068464>3 has some pretty excellent DLCOmega and Leviathan range from bad to IP damaging and Citadel is immature and dumb as shit
>>746011461the only bad thing with me3 was the ending, most of it was pretty good, and the citadel dlc is not only the best part, but quite possibly top 10 dlc of all time imo.also it's still way more enjoyable than 1, that game was a slogfest at times.
>>746071940>the only bad thing with me3 was the endingAs well as the horde mode sections, the inability to holster your weapon, the loading screens in the same floor on the Normandy, the Citadel, the journal system, the further removal of exploration, the awful level design, the awful encounter design, the music, the script, the auto-dialogue, the Citadel coup entirely, the worst Reaper fight in the franchise, seriously the journal system, Kai Leng, the gameplay forcing you our of cover if you're playing over 60fps, the segmented health bar, Priority: Earth entirely, lack of boss fights, Cerberus' depiction somehow getting even fucking worse, sidelining the entirety of the ME2 cast, the Rachni Queen choice ... I could go on, but I'd rather stop.3/10 game.
https://youtu.be/kjNpXg_s3Fo?is=Iy6jEnzyI5A7xswpStill unmatched KINO.
>>746011461Not a single ME3 fan exists. You are making up a group of people and then being perplexed by the idea of them.
>>746072972Man....
Any news?
>>746038330hell yeah my nigga. MP was the main reason I really didn't mind ME3. It wasn't even that bad in Andromeda either, found that being the only part worth playing also.
>>746054070>but 2 married them much better with the sauce that defined Mass Effect than 3 does.This is because they made the games keep feeling more and more like every other shooter only you get powers. But then so many other shooters do this very same shit too. So nothing stands out anymore.People will disagree with this but the fact you were kind of limited in ME2 is why it still married better as you put it. You had to rely on cover and powers. Or at least you should have since it greatly helps you out. While in ME3 you can toss grenades and roll around like a retarded action hero. Ironically ME2 is one of the greatest cover shooters ever made actually since it actually does force that playstyle more than just about any game I can think of. It really just needed more RPG elements for the most part to really make what it was going for click but obviously they didn't do this. Ammo powers were dumb though that should have remained equipment for the guns so everyone can still use them. So am I saying ME2 had the best gameplay of the bunch? Short answer? Basically yes. Not perfect and it needed to adopt more elements from ME1, but it definitely is the better game outright between what came after. Fuck all you but ME3 multiplayer fags also. You are what helped kill this series off. You should have went somewhere else for your horde/wave shooter fix stupid addicts.
>>746075812>Ammo powers were dumb though that should have remained equipment for the guns so everyone can still use them.Absolutely true.
I loved ME1's lore so it sucked to see them butcher it at every chance they could get with the shitty sequels. This series though still has some of the coolest and most interesting alien species I have ever seen in any games. Just wish the games themselves were a lot better.
>>746057642Garbage games with garbage nonsensical writing
>>746061394Is Legendary Edition for ME1 worth the effort to play? I have played the original about a dozen times though.
>>746078030Best part of MELE1 is revamped experience. When you're in Mako you now get full experience from killing mobs so you don't have to kill everything on foot. You can also get immediately to lvl60 but as a downside you can only get 1 or 2 sets of Spectre Master Weapons. Noveria and Therum black void glitches are fixed in LE too. But the looks, lighting and atmosphere were not transferred correctly so will need to install mods like A lot of Videos, Textures and Improved static lighting to make it work. Also moderns recreated pinnacle station DLC as a mod.
>>746011545absolute fucking CHAD
>>746011461Everyone knows that Mass Effect 2 is where the series hit its stride and the games should really have just turned into exploring the stars and having Star Trek adventures with your crew with the Reapers as a recurring "looming threat" behind a series of smaller stakes conflicts, because there was no way you could have Shepherd take on a galaxy-ending threat as one guy and it not feel like total bullshit.
>>746079663Kek.
Is that guy finally finished seething endlessly about Liara being more competent than the Council? Oh who am I kidding, he'll be shitposting the exact same thing in the very next ME thread. He's obviously been very, very upset about this for a very, very long time.
>>746079769Yeah, the series would have really benefited from a few smaller stake games with Shepard and the crew. Solving the entire Reaper problem in only 3 games feels too fast.
>>746011461>the third game ended the trilogy
>>746061313as opposed to trannies and ironic shitposters?
>>746066294>God Empress Liara is just THAT much smarterGlad we finally agreed, little man. It wasn't that hard was it>>746078030Yes it's worth it, there are so many mods to enjoy it's kind of insane. It's not a lot of effort at all though, the original game setup requires more effort and doesn't have even 1/10th of the amount of mods. Legendary is 10x bigger on filesize though, you'll be looking at a 100gb install as well as backup and any mods you install. I think it's worth it personally because ME1 is one of the best games I've ever played>>746079487>A lot of Videos, TexturesNo, those mods are not necessary whatsoever for LE. The cutscenes are already much better and so are all the textures. In fact, installing those mods is a gigantic waste of time because you have to uninstall them entirely the moment you want to install any new mods.Avoid any and all texture mods. Not worth the limitations
>>746012980>he had a group of bros who wanted to talk with him about Mass Effect>he thought he was too good for them (he was not)>instead of being their friend and playing the game with them while giving them subtle redpills about how good the original game is or that playing on PC is pretty goodYou are a horrifically lonely person. And this happened in high school? Jesus
>>746011545RPGs are gay anyway
>>746061313Yeah. You might have got some bitches on your dick.
>>746079487>When you're in Mako you now get full experience from killing mobs so you don't have to kill everything on footI forgot how dumb this stupid shit was. Hate for the Mako was dumb but if this was the excuse it is justified to hate it.>Noveria and Therum black void glitches are fixed in LE too.I do not remember this.>>>746079487>But the looks, lighting and atmosphere were not transferred correctly so will need to install mods like A lot of VideosI did see about this. The lighting and effects are actually quite bad from what I saw in a few videos. Like they really butchered a ton of it in all the games.
>>746011461>How do Mass Effect fans still cope about Mass Effect 3 being....the game that killed the trilogy
Azure....
>>746080207Delicious.
>>746080180> but if this was the excuse it is justified to hate it.It was part of it. There was a glitch where it could randomly start trashing around until it exploded and you couldn't get out or go to normandy unless you got very lucky. Some say controls were too bouncy but i never really cared much about that.Experience wise it made the game tedious since you'd feel bad because you rammed a geth at full speed with mako and launched it into stratosphere only to gain 20exp, and they did it to throttle your exp gains down. It's been a while since i played OG1 but in first character playthrough you could only get to lvl50. That would get you an achievement for more exp, then you'd have to import that character again and play me 1 with it to go from lvl 50 to lvl 60 that also took entire game, to finally gain another achievement for more exp boost. And reaching level 60 meant you get better start in ME2.
>>746022107>The piano music doesn't sound like Mass Effect musicI thought about this a lot until recently it came out Casey Hudson was a bitch sabotaging Jack Wall, The Suicide Mission theme almost got scrapped, Casey Hudson hated it and thats why you barely hear ME2 music in ME3. Casey was pissed with Jack Wall because he couldn't micro manage him as he wanted.2012 was a weird year, Halo 4 sounded like Mass Effect music, Mass Effect sounded like Halo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoAXF2bbm24
Suicide mission is still SOVL as fuck. Fuck you.
Last for Best Girl Tali!
You're not supposed to play Mass Effect 3 for the campaign. That's just the tutorial for the multiplayer mode that you will spend 95% of your time playing. Why do people still keep complaining about the tacked on single player mode when the multiplayer was the real game
>>746011461millennials were the original players disappointed by the terrible tricolor ending, what do you mean? lmao. you should be glad many of us give a shit about videogames because we remember what its like
>>746081435>you can't resistawfully presumptuous
I just want to say that ME3 is the RPG game with the most extensive character interactions and ramifications depending on their relationship with the protagonist, even Ashley has different interactions in the DLCs and story missions, and she's the character who got the short end of the stick in that game.For that alone i will never call ME3 a bad game.I played Baldur's Gate 3, the supposed greatest western RPG of the decade, and i was so disappointed at how little your romance reacted to things.Decaying Bioware is still better than Prime Larian.I won't even talk about CDPR because Panam and Judy might as well be paintings on a wall, that Phantom Liberty ending with Panam is just awful.
>>746081976>most extensive character interactionsNigga, you don't even interact in these conversations most of the time. You go sit in a cuck chair while other people talk like you ain't there!
>>746082034You know what i mean nigga, scripting, whatever you want to call itFor example, Shepard carrying Ashley at the end of the Mars cutscene will change if he loves her or not.It's the little things.
And I need you to recover.....
>>746011461Combat in ME3 was pretty good
>multiple ME threads suddenly from nothingYou know that they will announce something soon if they are sending shills
>>746082880It happens every few months.
ME3 sucks ass!!!
>>746082923
>>746082903nah Im a no lifer and unfortunately here all the time. Multiple daily ME threads started in the last week. Maybe Geoff will announce some kind of attrocity on gamesco
>>746082880Both Exodus and The Expanse are getting new info today. probably release windowes in the jeof queffs game night
>>746082880We've been getting threads for years now and the only thing announced has been merch and N7 Day nothing-burgers. This game is likely not even making a 2029 release at this rate, and we are expecting after N7 Day 2026, to get 364 days of silence until N7 Day 2027.
>>746083303Whats even the pointall the talent left, casey hudson fucked up anthem big which means he didnt do shit with the success fo the series
>>746083360You're asking me the question? You gotta ask EA that question. Which is why everyone is saying that it makes no sense to have this game release at all at this point.
>>746071936OK and arrival is what killed the entire franchise
>>746079769Except it was ME2 that specifically made the Reapers the entire story instead of branching out
>>746084024>that cope againME3 brought the Reapers in the Milky Way.
>>746084090>ME2 fans are disingenuous faggotsMany such cases
ME1>ME2>ME3
>>746084180>no argument>just ad hominem attacksAlright.
>>746084414ME3 fans are disingenuous faggotsthat's why they do that
ME2 and ME3 fans deserve eachother
ME3 fan argument>All ME3's problems are because of ME2>OK, what problems does ME3 have?>Nothing, it's perfect>Then what's wrong with ME2?>It doesn't introduce the CrucibleThat wasn't for ME2 to decide, though.
>>746085019ME3 has better sex scenes and multiplayer so that is why it rapes the other games so hard. Nobody gives a shit about some boring game where you read text like a book.
>>746085124>>ME3 has better sex scenes and multiplayerI piss on all multiplayer games.I hope every single multiplayer game ever gets Concorded.
>>746085019Literally nobody says 3 doesn't have problems, thats 2 fans doing that lol.
>>746085293>this game is the best one because it has improved the combat and gameplay>the one with the best combat and gameplay doesn't count though because I said so
>>746085391>multiplayer>indicative of combat qualitySo Concord is better than ME1 and ME2, then?
>>746085478No, the multiplayer was just good harmless horde mode fun. Either way the best combat in the series is in 3, which is why it's funny that 2 having better combat than 1 is like 70% of the praise that me2 gets
>>746085553>>No, the multiplayer was just good harmless horde mode funNo, it was plenty harmful with lootboxes and MTX
>>746011461ME3... If the whole game had more involvement of previous games' choices like Tunchanka and to a lesser extent Rannoch and the final mission was more akin to the Suicide Mission from ME2, the game could have been excellent. Unfortunately most of the action-consequence cycle seems front-loaded and gets worse the further the game progresses. The only thing it did much better than the previous games was making Vanguard gameplay much more fun.
