2xko will be remembered as one of the biggest pieces of shit ever made in any genre not just fighting games, and it will also be refered to as a prime example of everything thats wrong with western game development in this current era.>NOOO you cant have the coolest characters riot has ever made, no sett, no lee sin, no riven, no zoe, no vayne, no no no, those characters are too WHITE, and zoe is a HECKIN LOLI, AND thats problematic waaaah, we need to make room for this ugly sheboon illaoi because of DEI>NOOO you cant have motion inputs at all ever because of HECKIN ACCESSIBILITY waaah>NOOO you CANT have cute pantyshots when girls throw high kicks, thats a heckin OBJECTIFYING and PROBLEMATIC so we are gonna make sure that never ever happens in any animation waaah>NOOO you CANT make custom skin mods for the game at all, we put in kernel level malware to prevent that because what if someone makes a mod thats heckin INAPPROPRIATE waaah waaah waaahThis is the real reason why the game is garbage, anything else that the fucking "content creators" are complaining about like balance or single player content is a moot point, at the end of the day, you can feel the dogshit, killjoy, hyper liberal, anti fun world view of the devs expressed through countless details that all make the "game" less fun and kills any potential charm. This had a chance to be something good, but they hired all the wrong "people" with all the wrong views on art and the world and it shows. Its crap, worthless crap, a type of worthless crap that would be impossible to make in the 2000s or 90s because all the people making it would have never been fucking hired in an actual merit based industry that we unfortunately dont have anymore.
>>746019007>YOU LIED TO ME MAX!!!!
lol character designs suck dicks its the og woke aesthetic
idk know how they did it but every characters have some zestyness to them
Dude fighting games are just garbage as a genre. None of them meaningfully spin-off from Street Fighter so everybody just plays that.
>>746019007Why did it fail? So many people told me it was good?
>>746019359maybe you shouldnt list to those (((so many people)))
>>746019007>valve tricked riot to make standalone fighting game with their joke Dota 2 modelol, lmao even
>>746019007Riot has no idea a out potential they have. They should make erotic vn games with girls from league of legends. They should give option to rub Ahri's ears and tails.
>>746019510does /v/ have a version of mutts law for this kind of garbage ?
>>746019007>Blizzard wannabe copycat>Also a failure just like Blizzard
>>746019359>so many peopleWhat (((people))) specifically?
>>746019567Yes, its the India posters constantly posting shit like that and interracial cuckold porn.
>>746019359>make a fighter based on an existing IP>have 10 years to develop the game with pre-existing character designs and infinite riotbux>make it a tag fighter mid-development>release the game with 10 characters>33% of the current roster is arcanesloprising thunder died for this btw
>>746019567>>746019947How the hell wanting to touch foxgirl fluffy tail and ears is bow a third world thing?
I don't like the art. It's so familiar (LoL), everyone sees it everywhere it feels like slop.That killmonger hair design, fucking hell.>>746019007>2xko will be remembered as one of the biggest pieces of shit ever made in any genre not just fighting games, and it will also be refered to as a prime example of everything thats wrong with western game development in this current era.ha. I just like how Tokon flopped in multiple ways. Not even I was expecting that.Feels like no one know how to make fighting games that sell except established legacy series.
>>746019359It is good fighting game, but fighting games are unpopular and F2P requires a high playerbase to sustain. It was a bad investment to begin with and I think even if they made a SF clone they still wouldn't have had a big enough playerbase to justify development off just selling skins.
For Honor lasted longer.
>>746019359>So many people told me it was good?yes, paid shills
>fighting gaymNo wonder it died lmao
>>746019359spent too long in development paying way too many people and then released at the worst possible time when every single new game already filled it's specific niche.it needed to be hitting LoL numbers to even recoup the investment or justify it's existence
>>746019359There's a whole bunch of issues that all contribute to the game failing, but I agree with op the most offensive one is that the game simply doesn't look good. People will push through discomfort and stick with a game if the characters are hot, no one is going above and beyond like that for soulless safe horny slop.It's offensive because it didn't need to be that way at all. Stuff like it being a tag fighter, or even a fighter in the first place you can chalk up to principles. But artstyle is completely arbitrary and they just picked a bad one for no reason.
>>746019359There's a lot of simple things that went wrong, but ever see the activity for your average fighting game? Most of them sit at anywhere from 200 to 2000 players who are too poor to regularly purchase cosmetics. F2P does not work in this genre for that alone.
>>746019007The issue lies with the genre. They want huge crowds of f2p players buying mtx and keeping the game alive but they made a fucking fighting game. A genre nobody cares about and nobody can be fucking bothered to enter.That's like making a hardcore gook clicker rts like Starcraft in 2026 - the culture to support it doesn't exist anymore. Yes smaller projects, passionate indies and small studios can make a return on a good rts games but there's a reason you don't see Blizzard burning dozens of millions on Starcraft 3.Same thing for fighting games. There's a reason you only see periodic very small scale releases with 0 staying power.
rising thunder could've dropped as it was nearly ten years ago and riot bought it then took a decade to finish an already complete game
>>746019097>Clockw0rk, Justin Wong, and Yipes involved with Battle for the Grid>Keits involved with Killer Instinct>ex Killer Instinct people involved with Rumbleverse and Invincible VS>Cannon brothers, Seth Killian, and Clockw0rk involved with 2XKO>ex Skullgirls and Them's Fightin' Herds people involved with Avatar>Max and his friends conveniently never have anything negative to say about any of themHow many times can developers blow through funding for games only ever played by one YouTuber?
>>746022208The animation style is fine, the problem is the lack of pantyshots, the lack of cool characters, the dei characters pushing out ones that should have been there, the garbage anti fun control scheme, and not allowing mods, those are the problems, and those problems are a result of a poisonous anti fun culture.
>>746025125FGC is filled with fraudsters. That's why.
Realistically, why didn't they just call it something like>League of Legends: Fightersor>League of Legends: The Fighting Gameso everyone knew instantly that it was, well, a league of legends fighting game?
>>746019007>coolest characters>zoeWhat? Zoe is a Disney piece of shit character.
Will they finally give Ekko his mohawk back instead of the killnigger hairstyle? I don't even like him because he's black but it still bothers me how much they ignore his mohawk
>>746031434league of punch: summoners fist
Crazy that this is all because they got scared at a rumour Valve where making their own fighting game.
>>746019007>2xko will be remembereddoubt
>>746019007Funny. I thought fighting game fans were supposed to be based because its supposedly a hyper competitive "sport". I guess not. Its woke dogshit just like everything else. The difference being is that its just a dead genre
>>746019007>wanted a league fighter for years>Project L starts development; looks like a fun 1v1 neutral game with LoL characters>FGC heads come onto the project to make it the next tag failure to relive MvC2It wasn't even a monkey paw curl, those fuckers actually wasted a once in a lifetime opportunity
>>746031651That's not actually true even if it would be really funny. They were working on project L for a literal decade
>>746031434In retrospect it was good that they didn't. Why would they want league associated with this trash? Its better to just distance yourself and forget it ever happened. 95% of league players probably don't even know it exists
>>7460190072XKO will not be remembered at all and that's part of the problem.
>>746019007>NOOO you cant have the coolest characters riot has ever made>cool character>LoLpick one
good riddanceshitty meme studio that only makes knockoffs
>>746019007noone thinks of a low profile genre like a fighting game like this, nerdwhen people think of abysmal flops they think of higher profile things like concord
>>746019007>2xko will be rememberedfunniest joke on /v/ today
>>746019359the people that said it was good are fgtards who live in their own little bubble deatched from reality, if you look at their tweets now they unironically think 2xko was a success (by fightign game standards) and Riot are crazy for closing it down, completely ignoring that 2xko is a massive failure with no one sticking around to play it, but because it has tag autism and riot esports money they think it did well.
>>746031434Because stupid people always think they are smart and do stupid shit like that thinking its the most clever thing.
>>746031534We get it anon, youre gay. You didnt need to announce it in this thread.
Where is all that hate coming from?
>>746031434if you read Pattheflips blogpost it's basically pure arrogance and them thinking they're really smart, genuinely Pat basically admitted he wasted riots and his coworkers time by making a terrible game because he personally likes terrible fighters like that.Riot also knew this was a massive turd and didn't put leagues name on it.
>>746019007>will be remembered as one of the biggest pieces of shit ever made in any genre and it will also be refered to as a prime example of everything thats wrong with western game development in this current erabut enough about Concord
pantyshots aren't cute.i'm captain mysogknee but that kind of shit is retarded at best.
>Aris said 2XKO stands for 2 Knuckleheads OnlineWhy's the game getting jumped by everybody like this?
>>746019359The lead dev was a grifter and scammed Riot for 10 years. He even admitted to doing it too.
>>746031534>le wholesome quirky gamer girlEverything that /v/ should hate.>but also a loliTherein lies the problem. They want to fuck her more than they hate her.
>>746031434The people making it hardly gave a shit about the league ip and thought that advertising their shitty duos feature was more important
>>746019007Anon no one gives a shit about zoe or any other league little girl you idiot the game failed because it's a piece of shit made by arcsys game fans that couldn't make a decent game people actually wanna play if their life depended on it, it has negative content to attract casuals which is important, it looks like a bootleg arcsys game, it's a stupid 2v2 tag game instead of the original 1v1 game, and it's name is fucking stupid.
>>746019007>2xko will be remembered lmao no it won'tNo one has even been able to remember its name since it was announcedDidn't read the rest
I saw ahri and thought she was sexy. No clue why the game failed. I will trust op.
>>746033167>>746033465If you dont like zoe youre gay.
>Crying about your Invader Zim so randumb xD character not being inTag fighter with ten characters AND F2P after billion of years in development? Retarded company.
Remembered? I haven't even heard of this until now.
Shoulda hired Clayton, he told us all right from the start but we just didn't listen. https://youtu.be/qmRlz6TQiNQhttps://youtu.be/7pAXOywNRY4
>>746034156Clayton...
>>746019007Zoe is a reddit-tier, marvel quirky chungus character
>>746019007Why are we letting China make, publish, and ship games on American soil, in the first place? It's a Communist Dictatorship devoid of any creativity.
>>746019359Nobody plays it. Nobody buys the costumes
>>746034397Counterpoint: She's a loli.
>>746034423Because that's how bad western media had gotten
>>746034397If you dont like zoe you're gay.
What bothers me more is the space they take up in EVO.
>>746019007So did worst 2XK0 or DnF Duel?
>>746019007>2xko will be rememberedNo, I don't think it will.
>>746035364EVO is a trash event now, who gives a shit.Post-Wizard EVO is garbage
>>746019960>rising thunder died for this btwgood
Thinly veiled pedo thread only OP's plan didn't work
>>746033886>>746034883I assume your dumbass went looking through league characters for little girls and since she is one of only two(maybe three) you were pining for her despite her negative chance of ever being playable compared to atleast 100 other characters.
>>746034365Is based. He's like the real life spoiler.
>>746019359couldn't copy blizzard this time
>>746036440>>746037036Why are there so many gays in this thread announcing how gay they are?
>>746019007>Zoe>for a fighting gameyou're fuckin' dumb.
>>746033308>aggro, in-your-face>entire game is just projectile spam and "zoning"
>>746037750Zoner is a core archetype that has existed since SF2
>>746037863counterpoint: they chose Teemo to be their zoner with an obnoxiously small hitbox. Zoe would be redundant.
>>7460222082XKO looks cool, though. SF and Tekken look like dogshit. So that's not the reason.
>>746038268It doesn't look cool at all. Best way to describe it is western retards trying and failing horrendously to do arcsys style.
>>746038268agreed. i regret getting swept up in the Tekken launch hype.
>>746021071>Feels like no one know how to make fighting games that sell except established legacy series.Holy ESL, Batman, what a stupid thing to say. The legacy series are popular because they appeal to preexisting fighting game players, all 10,000 of them. These developers are trying to appeal to a larger audience. The problem with doing that with LoL is LoL players already play LoL. Yeah there's Arcane, but those people are secondaries, they're not playing a competitive game where you can't play support.>>746025125Max has said a lot of negative things about Tokon and he wasn't a fan of 2XKO's roster until Thresh was added.
>>746038268>2XKO looks cool, though
>>746025125>>746038825KI was also Max's dream come true and he still had critiques here and there. He never made a Kim Wu series because he couldn't get over how busted her face was. He was offended by it, as a guy married to an Asian woman, someone at Microsoft or IG must have said, "Max that's just what they look like."
>>746038021Teemo is the actual reddit character. Zoe is cute and charming and sexy and funny and cool and would be way more fun with her portals and fun ping pong projectile.
>>746038825>Yeah there's Arcane, but those people are secondariesmore than that, arcane very explicitly failed to draw any new long term players, there was effectively no transfer of arcane watchers to playerbase so the entire thing was just a vanity project
>hey gamers listen up>we worked on this for 10 years>we're launching a fighting game>as a live service>virtually everything costs money, from skins to recolors to new fighters>and it has barebones content>any takers?the hubris of these devs is kind of crazy, they are completely out of touch and self sabotage for the sake of $8 microtransactions
>>746036440but you came into this thread hoping it would work lol
>>746019359There's a whole list of problems that caused this game to fail. Either way it seemed like Riot never had any faith in the project and were looking for the quickest opportunity to kill the game and move on considering the initial blog post where they canned half the team working on it.
>>746039225>oh and we're not putting it on Steam either cause we want all the profits for ourselves. we are bigger than the program. :)DOAnobodies bigger than the program. that's why Overwatch and Diablo are on Steam now.
>>746019359Because making a free to play fighting game is fucking retarded. The FGC in the current year is already stupidly small. In order for a free to play game to succeed you have to have enough money to burn for at least the first five years until your team finally understand how balancing works. These faggots were selling the Arcane bundle at fucking 69 dollars in hopes to get some money because they were stupid enough to charge 0 dollars for the base game.
>>746038929It does. I remember the Teemo and Warwick reveals, they looked incredible. The game's colorful and pops out and has interesting characters, not just 30 ugly dudes in karate gis. Did you see the new SF characters? It's three mystery meat people in rags and Tifa. Wow, very cool. Yeah, that'll get people to play your game.What exactly was your problem with the looks?>>746039036Obviously, it's easier to watch a show than play a game. Did someone think the show would draw in more players? Like 40-year old women who watched Arcane were going to play a fighting game? I don't think anything could make more people play LoL, it's one of the biggest games in the world already.
>>746019359>Tag fighter, a niche in a niche genre>Took a decade to release missing every golden chance to make an impact>Arcane dickriding even after Arcane itself lost public interest>Not using LeL IP for marketing and name your game shittiest fucking gurgle noise you can think of>Majority of higher ups and nepobabies like Pete "fuctions" RosasThe fact Cannon kikes managed to scam Riot into buying their shitty studio and jew them for 10 years worth of salaries is commendable tho.
>>746019007watch, despite this flopping on the level of concord the fgc will still say that a f2p fighting game is viable because they're delusional
>>746039514it's not even that, it's the fact that the average joe will download the game, load into a game, get stomped and say "fuck this" and uninstalls it because they have no reason to stay.
>>746019359>shit roster>small roster>tag game>simple controls but with a million buttons>vanguard>broken on release>took years to come out and most of the hype died down by then>took forever to tone down a couple of dominant characters
>no tahmno play
>>746039036There was but none of them sticker long term. That's the issue with LoL. You can have a huge spike while a show is on, but even before the show is over, that spike is gone because the people who watched the series realized that: A) the game is quite difficult, B) the community is extremely toxic, and C) there's absolutely no story or lore, outside of a few dialogue, inside the game
>>746039521yes, they didand they desperately needed it to because the game is now starting to bleed players
>>746019359black dude on the poster
>>746025125>be a fighting game dev>OMGEE Max liked our game.>That means it's going to be successful right?
CHINGER
>>746039553Of course it's scam just look at their fucking face here. Literally snickering at Riot.
CHANGER
I like how everyone is clowning on Riot, but this was a case where it was one power hungry dev and his inner circled who ruined what should've been a slam dunk game.
>Supposedly made to try and rope people into fighting games>Different fuses means you have to learn how to fight against 5 different offense variations of each character to become even proficient at defense>One button specials makes reversals so easy that anything not a true blockstring would be useless, instead give everyone (including the grappler and zoners) a free wakeup dp, the least interesting defensive option of all time>No baseline shoto character for people to get accustomed to the game systems>The obvious best characters in the game are oppressively unfun to play against, with Yasuo, Ahri, Ekko, and Jinx being a staple since the game's inception, feeling like they were designed for a different game than the rest of the cast, with Braum buffed later to ruin it some more>No "baseline" all rounder for new people to get a handle on the game, you're either learning diet MvC3 or hitting special 2 special 2 headless with no in between>Abysmally small roster especially for a tag fighter, clearly given the mandate to try and get the Arcane secondaries on board>No single player options whatsoever, all those new fighting game players better get their ass in ranked if they want to practice something as simple as moving their character on the screenThis game was a fucking mystery
>>746025125You forgot about PlayStation All-Stars :^)We were forced to watch that on was it TRB, or was it WNF
Why do these retards keep making complicated fighters when trying to attract casuals. Just release another Rising Thunder or some highly polished modern SF2 with all the jank cut out.
how do you pronounce it? Twoxo? Tucso?
>>746034562There are like a dozen other lolis in the game whose backstory isn't "and then God loved the heckin wholesomeness of this amazing creative playful autistic mind that it made her God for zero reason whatsoever"
>>746040420people have more fun playing this shit than modern aaa fighting games
>>746033071Wait, it doesn't stand for double knockout?
>>746019007That would be ET for the Atari tho
>>746019007>coolest character>settLMAO
>>746040358WNFI know because I competed in it.
just give me Naruto FighterZ or DBFZ 2
>>746039553Somebody else let Combofiend touch their game after the mvci turd he left on the floor?I didn't even know he was on this game
>>746040420>modern sf2 gameIn a IP that consist of weapon user, magic, guns, yordle, it prob impossible to make traditional 2D
>>746041023i don't want FighterZ 2 because DBFZ was a sausage fest game. after 3 seasons of DLC that game has a grand total of 5 playable women and 2 of them are the same chick in a different outfit. gib Marvel waifus.
>>746019007fighting games are just not fun.
>>746031434Unironically it’s good for riot. But yeah I actually knew the instead it was actually going to be called 2XKO that the game would be shit.You cant judge a book by its cover but first impressions are important, and failing to advertise you are a league of legends fighting game tells me “you are actually retarded”. Even if a really really shitty name like “League Of Legends: We made a fighting a game” is superior to 2XKO.
>>746035606Dnf Duel at least made money off sales, 2xKO was a f2p game where Riot refunded all the microtransaction purchases.
>>746041063Granblue managed it and I think they could have trimmed it down even more. I think it's very doable people are going the wrong way with trying to get casuals into it. People love SF2 because of how straightforward it is at a basic level, removing special inputs but making 30 second long combos is just an insane thought process. I don't see why fighting games need to keep evolving (creating new dogshit system mechanics), counterstrike is basically unchanged since the dawn of time and people still play it because they make it shinier.
Motion inputs have not, do not, and will never be an actual barrier to new players getting into the game
>>746041553trvke. if niggas learned that shit to play Tony Hawk and skate and FIFA they shouldn't have any trouble learning to do it for fightan games.
>>746040296who the fuck do u think "riot" is?like yes, the CEO and the secretaries who do payroll aren't the ones making the shitty game, but they're the ones watching the whole thing go down and thinking "hell yeah this is going great!"every step of the way, riot was egging them on to keep going. Riot was the one who put them in charge and thought "yeah this is good management, these guys rule"and then when riot saw that this wasn't gonna be the "valorant of fighting games" they laid off the staff and killed the project, adding it to their pile of dead game projectsIf you go to McDonalds and a branch manager shits in your big mac, you blame the manager. But when you look around and see every burger near you is filled with shit, maybe you should start questioning the hiring practices of mcdonald
we gotta kill tag gametards, mvc2 and 3 sold like 5 million copies total no one ever played this shit
>>746041926even in that case though there's still a retard shitting on the burgers out back and we're allowed to be mad at him too
>>746019007Guys what is a bigger failure this of Concord.>both took a decade to shit out>both had devs with delusions of grandeur>both had to refund the pittance it actually madeOnly question is whether Sony wasting 400m or Riot getting scammed for 10 years is funnier
>>746041197>the game where the only characters that matter are the dudes is mostly dudesYou one of those retards that wanted something like the garbage chicks they added in super?
>>746042063not when McDonalds answers your complaint by firing the burger shitter and replacing him with another burger shitter who doubles as a french fry pisser
What is this like Concord 6?
>>746041553>>746041821I never wanna hear a normie complain about motion inputs again
>>746042209I'd still be mad at the person who shit on my burger if that happened though.
If your fighting "game" is just a practice mode and lobbies, it is not a real game.Make a real game.
>>746042330then stop eating at the fast food joint that keeps hiring burger shitters
>>746042403I don't I've never eaten at this place before it hasn't done a burger before I'm a burger enjoyer and wanted to try their burger I don't care for their regular menu
>>746042249The only motion that annoys me is reverse DPDon't put fucking reverse DPs on your character
>>746042249fifa is going to have charge moves after they're deleted from fighting games forever
>>746042841If you think about it reverse DP is just regular DP for player 2
>>746039973Oh no, only 3 million daily players? FUCK, man. Shit! That's only 10 times Dota's and 100 times the most popular fighting games!
>>746041553Except SF6, the most popular fighting game in quite literally all of history, uses simplified inputs and like 40% of players are on modern. 2XKO's problem was not that it removed motion inputs... but rather that it removed them to make it easy to combo so what really happened is you get pushed into a corner and have to block 8 mixups in a row before getting to play the game and if you guess wrong you're back in the corner for another 8 mixups for 80% of your HP.
>>7460443822XKO also has LMH, Special 1 and Special 2, with basically no consistency at all when it comes to what type of specials are on 1 or 2 It ends up being just as confusing as having motion inputs
>>746044752Which is what I'm saying. They removed motion inputs to make the game more complex, not the other way around.
>>746019007>2xko will be remembered as one of the biggest pieces of shit ever made in any genre not just fighting games,This just reeks like a disgruntled 30+ year old LoL player just looking for a reason to shit on Riot and LoL.
>>746042318get hype for the Ben 10 card game I play once and never again doods
2XKO is still one of the worst names for a media product I can think of flat out. Not even just limited to gaming, but just of anything. Its amazing they didn't just go for something obvious that would play in to the League of Legends name, like "League of Fighterz" or some shit.
>>746039767This is exactly why you give casuals an Arcade mode with story and/or endings. You need to protect their ego and give them some goodies in return for being shit at the game. This is exactly how it worked in the 90s. People didn't want to waste quarters losing to some no life nerd, they wanted to prove they can beat the four final bosses.
dcko will be remembered though
>>746048151Kek
>>746019007Is it time for us to admit to big companies that making a fighting game is a terrible idea? They will never be AAA titles and companies should stop expecting to make a return on them. They should strive to be AA titles made by small teams with the hopes that maybe they'll gain a spot in indie fighting game tournaments which will lead to a decent amount of sales overtime. Expecting to sustain a 600 strong team of californians for 10 years is ridiculous.
It's really hard to have a discussion with anyone in the fighting game "community" about this game. They all prefer to cover their ears and scream about how it's big-bad-doodoo-evil CEO or some shit, when the dev team was a bunch of insufferable losers with their head so far up their ass.
>>746032715People are mad that Riot was handed a golden opportunity and instead of doing literally anything right they did everything wrong. Any retard from /v/ could have made the game successful if they were in charge, that's why everyone is so mad.
>>746025125The "council of FGC" are nothing more than a bunch of grifters and scammers. They will go out of their way to not say names of people who discover tech and other shit. Simply hitting your buttons is not enough for them.
>>746039225The thing is they fucked up so bad they didn't even get a big playerbase at all, unlike Multiversus or Brawlhalla or almost any F2P game. Normally you'd expect the failure to be: "tens of thousands of players played our free game, but only a few dozen people actually bought skins/colors and gave us money so we had to shut down". What happened was they launched and managed like 3000 players AT MOST, which is absolutely dreadful for a F2P game.
>>746019359>Tag fighters are a niche within a niche>marketing was done completely wrong, it's put so much focus on tournament events but next to nothing outside of them. Also banked on League players playing anything but League>Roster was ass thanks to Arcane pandering.
>>746049640Personally I'm mad that the EVO organizers got unlimited money, and instead of making a cool game they decided to hire their friends and circlejerk each other for 10 years.
>>746019097>Every fgc adjacent e-celeb putting out a cope response on the games failure after dickriding it so hard.
>>746041298The unwashed masses will play whatever their influencers tell them to play. The catch is the game needs a decent enough hook to keep them playing. Tuko had no influencers outside of the FGC, and they had no decent hook.
https://www.twitch.tv/sajamgoyjam is going live and going to defend pat to his dying breath
>>746025125Killer Instinct was never HUGE but it lived long enough to have several seasons worth of characters.
Pattheflip is so sure 2xko is the greatest fighting game ever made, he's started to block and delete comments on his patreon that call him out on his patreon.
APOLOGIZE
>>746037036anon.... that's not what "reinvent the wheel" refers to... LMAOthe saying "reinvent the wheel" refers to "don't reinvent the wheel", as in, when you're faced with a challenge, don't try to come up with a novel solution to the problem when a basic, simple solution already exists elsewhere, because you're just gonna do all that work and end up just inventing the very same wheel you avoided in the first place
kill this nigga
>>746050684is this a legitimate media literacy issue?
>>746051129Pat continues to fuel my world view that Filipinos are the niggers of Asia
Avatar won
>>746050684>don't try to come up with a novel solution to the problem when a basic, simple solution already exists elsewhereBut that's the whole issue. People wanted the Rising Thunder company to just reskin the characters into LoL characters and release the game early, during covid. They instead threw Rising Thunder into the trash and proceeded to reinvent a mishmash of BBTAG and MvCI from first principles, instead of just copying shit that works which is what Riot always does
>>746051129>when you can't even handle the mild heat of REDDIT, delete your account and retreat to bluesky for pity replieshahahahaha
>>746051129>Haven't read any of the takesHe's literally deleting comments and blocking people lmao, so he IS reading them.
>>746051570>riot project where they don't blatantly copy something while giving the devs full control, money and time to do whatever they fucking want>absolute dog shit that no one wants and that would be 100% better and more well received if they just copied a successful game instead of hiring a bunch of retarded, scamming arcsys/mvc fansFunniest shit in years
>>746051129It's amazing how he managed to make everyone angry from all sides>Reddit casualsMad that he explicitly said he didn't want to make a dumbed down game for the masses, which is what they wanted>ProsMad that they made concessions for the masses, like simple controls, which resulted in an awkward control scheme with two specials buttons, among other things>Everyone elseMad that the game sucked anyway and yet he doubles down and remains confident that it was the greatest thing everThe rest of the team must be glad that he's taking all the heat. If I was part of the 2xko team I'd just pretend I worked in some other secret Riot project under NDA and never mention 2xko again in my life
>Server reliant rollbackBuilt for failure
>>746051129>i'm, like, watching movies in my officeHis average work day for the past decade.
>>746052172that's like the one thing the game had going for it
Jiyuna is right, fighting games need to stay in their tiny little hole.
>>746051129he's doing the thing
>>746052298The concept is great, but it's SAAS shit which can only ever be seen as a ticking timebomb.
>>746052172>>746052298It's a mixed bag, it helped kill Multiversus for example. If you have a bad server, or a region far from servers, it's worse than p2p. Otherwise it can be far better. I had great connections playing Multiversus, but a ton of people complained about the game being unplayable. Then you have the "racist netcode" issue that happened with the previous older VF5 release, but also with one of the MK games, maybe MK1? Where a huge region like Africa might only have a single server which might be in the north, so everyone in the south lags. Meanwhile, the tiny island of Japan might have multiple.
>>746051570yes but the core analogy would only work if Riot just ended up releasing a basic 1v1 fighter like they originally intendedLike if they spent 10 years in R&D trying to craft an epic fighting experience and in the end just made league of legends street fighterwhat Riot actually did was throw the wheel in the trash and then tell themselves that wheels suck actually, giant stone cubes are better
>>74601900710 fighters at launch for a tag battler.You need like 25 starting characters at least for a decent roster.
>>746052191kek
>>746052191I mean, the worst thing that can happen is that he gets fired
>>746019359Mogged by Marvel Tokon
>>746019359The league audience will never play a fighting game and nobody else wants to play the fighting game equivalent of valorant. Fighting games are already a hard market and in a vacuum there's a lot of unappealing shit about the game, not least of which is the name and art direction. Half the time I saw it's logo and vapid league of legend characters I swore I was looking at lethal league.
I feel like there has been enough newer fighting games that try simplifying the controls for new comers to gather data as to discern if it has brought in new fans to the genera or not
>10 years in development>only 10 chars on launchwhat the fuck were they doing?
>>746041298fighting games get more fun the better you are at themyou are just shit
>>746054379Jerking off and living on riots money
>>746051129Remember when this dude waited a week before Avatar released to try and start a hate train by proclaiming from the mountaintops that Mike Z worked on the game
>>746054476many such cases
>>746052103I think casuals are more mad that he made it clear he did not give a fuck about the league universe and basically treated it as a skin put on the game.Granted the league universe and stories sucks but still, if you work on a league spinoff you should probably care a little bit.
>>746055619To be fair, he's responsible for battle balance and game systems. It's not his job to care about the league universe, he's supposed to be seeing things as hitboxes interacting with each other. Someone else fucked that up.
you now remember these people are working on an MMO
>>746055753>you now remember these people are workingNo, they were fired.
>>746055726it's more that he said it outloud more than anything else>>746055753yeah no the riot mmo is never coming out
This was like the biggest slam dunk in project management in video game history, and they still whiffed. Put some of the more popular FIGHTERS in the FIGHTING GAME (Lee Sin, Sett, Katarina, Riven, etc.), and call it League of Fighters What is Caitlyn doing there?
>>746056064>This was like the biggest slam dunk in project management in video game historyit really isn't, even if 2xko was good and actually finished when it released it still would've probably struggled because the big issue with a f2p fighting game is that people will play 1 or 2 matches, get stomped and say "this is shit" and uninstall. at least with a paid game theres a sunkcost there so they'll stick around.>What is Caitlyn doing there?Arcane
That entire project was a way to get all these DEI hires paid (at Californian rate!) for 10 years. I hope these FGC types never ever get hired again
>>746019359The lead developer recently wrote a blog post explaining exactly why it failed, and why he was proud of it failing:https://www.patreon.com/pattheflip/posts/thank-you-2xko-167265357>Anyone who worked with me during that time can probably remember a meeting or a conversation where I said:>"I'd rather make an interesting failure than a boring success.">"Why not? The worst thing that happens is that we all get fired.">There's no doubt in my mind that we could have made a sustainable business out of a less ambitious project, but, to me, making a boring fighting game success would have been far more disappointing than making a failure we were proud of.>There is an alternative future where the game was financially stable and utterly devoid of sauce, a future I imagined countless times while we iterated and tested every single character and system in there, and that outcome is far more depressing to me than this one.>If a game isn't challenging and frustrating, I'm not interested in playing it, nor am I interested in making it.>I made it my job to figure out how to make the cracked fighting game, and not my job to figure out how to get it to pay for itself; you don't want me making product decisions because I have no personal or professional motivation to make profit for a corporation. >I was primarily there to learn that "how to make a cracked fighting game" part, and treated my ten years there as the equivalent of a PhD program in fighting game development where the game itself was less important to me than the knowledge I unlocked from the work. >I sincerely hope that anyone else in the position to take creative risks on the corporate dime does so, the more irresponsible the better.Basically the only good thing this retard did for 10 years was scam Riot out of millions of dollars. In the end, he made a "cracked" game full of "sauce" that appealed to absolutely no one, and prided himself on its failure.
>>746038825>Max has said a lot of negative things about TokonNot once since he was sponsored by Sony. Suddenly everything was fixed and the game was sick.
>>746053947There's a decent amount of people who played League of legends for the first few seasons and then dropped the game (mostly toplaners). The issues is that any appeal early league of legends had has been dead for a decade and 2XKO is more focused on having a bland FGC aesthetic than trying to bring back any soul the series once had.
>>746055753lol
>>746056234>Product OwnerThis is the actual main person to blame. Pat the Flip is taking all the heat but if the boat is going towards the iceberg, you don't blame the people rowing. You blame the captain. The PO is responsible for ensuring the project keeps going in the right direction.
Does anyone have that chart of all the fighting games' concurrent and peak player counts? I can't find it. Someone posted it before.>>746054462Weird that other genres aren't like that.
>>746019007I've been saying this game was a shitheap since the beta but niggas see pretty graphics and lose their mind.Genuinely one of the worst fighting games in recent memory.
>>746056321I always wondered why Riot fired his ass first since he actually worked at Riot before the Project L shit happened, he probably was the one that got the Cannon bros in touch.
>>746056321why did he write a blog explaining exactly why no one should ever hire him again
>>746056473That's really all it comes down to. FGC grifters can make their long list of copes, but I gave it a shot when it was released, it was ASS, I uninstalled it. I didn't play long enough to get tired of the roster, to find balance issues, to get into how ranked works, didn't touch single player content, didn't even see how the monetization works, none of the usual problems people list as the big reason why it failed affected me. It was just fucking boring. It was free and I wanted my time back.
>>746031434Hubris
>>746019007Did 2xko have any positive qualities? Like what do shills even latch onto when they argue that this game was worth keeping around?
>>746056690muh grafix
>>746056321>"Why not? The worst thing that happens is that we all get fired."I totally get why he'd say that because I've been in the same situation. Being a senior dev, working on a high risk project. Fuck it, why not? The worst thing that can happen is that I get fired. I can handle months of unemployment, even if at some point I'd have to move back in with my parents. But it's not likely, I know I'd get a new job easily with my connections. What this retard doesn't get is that the majority of people reading his blog are living paycheck to paycheck. Getting fired might as well mean getting killed. The way people are reading this line is not at all how he intended it to be read because he's completely out of touch.
>>746056690>does 2xko have any positive qualities? No.
>>746056805He was also responsible for an entire team of people who weren't in his position. Absolutely zero empathy for the team he spends so much time glazing. He had no respect for them or their situation whatsoever.
>>746054561what do you expect from a gnat like him?he writes articles about how you are supposed to oust people from your locals and events who do not align with you politically.
>>746056690"A lot of the devs are my personal friends. They invited me to all their events, and let me play the characters early to make youtube videos about them before they released."
>>746035606>>746041469Dnf duel was supported for way longer as well, Nen Master came out 2 years after the game's release.
>>746056321If I ever sincerely wrote something a fraction as condescending as this blog post I'd have to take a long look at myself in the mirror. Crazy to think that this dude probably posted this shit without a second thought and expected people to come out the other end on his side
>>746025125Battle for the Grid is fun and it was never going to be big. I would recommend it to buy to play with friends just don't lab it so everyone is trying to tod each other
>>746019359>So many people told me it was good?Stop listening to Riot bots.Anyone that ever touched a fighting game for more than 15 minutes shat all over this turd since beta
>>746035606As shitty as tuko is, dnf is genuinely complete garbage that is only playable ironically to laugh at the stupid shit like wakeup safe on block dp into tod.
>>746056690Its literally a worse version of BBTAG. The only reason people hyped it up because at the time (2019) when it was announced, your only options were DBFZ, GBVS and SFV, and all of them had garbage netcode. Now rollback is common and mandatory so it isnt a novel thing anymore, so the only reason people like it is because its by Riot which means big money involved. That ones correct, just not for the players, but the devs who fleeced the company for years making this shit.
>>746019097marvel vs capcom 2 status?
>>746056690The co-op tag system is cool but no one does duos because it is harder. The single player mode they added before dying is fun.The roster sucks and long combos isn't going to make casuals want to play ever
>you know what would really sell this game?>5 arcane characters, illaoi and teemo
People talk about roster and game design or whatever but honestly the real problem is the name is complete shit
>>746057078>Crazy to think that this dude probably posted this shit without a second thought and expected people to come out the other end on his sidehttps://bsky.app/profile/pattheflip.bsky.social/post/3mttuknfrkc26
>>746057258It's a collection of problems. They got almost nothing right about it.
>>746057123nice try rewriting history. just like every piece of shit fighting game that comes out every notable talking head in the fgc sucks it off to try grift for what little money is still circulating in that dead community
>>746057247Teemo's the best character in the game.
>>746057374lol
>>746056927
the problem is they didn't make ahri sexy enough, she has the western /co/ ugly man look on her face
>>746056452most genres aren't deep enough to get more fun the further you goit's why FPS players bitch and moan and piss about skill based matchmaking
>>746040519no there aren't, retard.
>>746054561It was actually working for a bit too before the game came out and people saw clips of>Zaheer squad mixups>Kyoshi ToDs>ozai.png>Sokka just doing stuffAnd the script completely flipped. Then CEO's top 8 more or less cemented the game for at least until another year as "that game I'll check out while SF in on an ad break">meanwhile Pat the entire time, probably
>>746056234Riot was really smart actually>hire DEI agents>put them in an dead end game>get free money from the dark stone corporation>stretch the develop of the game until DEI is dead>release the game with minimal marketing investment>game bombs>fire DEI agents
>>746038021Counterpoint: the game is full of zoners and most of them shouldn't have been in and Zoe should have been the poster zonerEvidence: No Zoe, game flops.
>>746057247Teemo was a good choice. Warwick, Blitz, and Thresh too. All iconic characters you'd expect to see in a League spinoff. Ahri and Yasuo are popular so they were definitely getting in. Darius and Braum are boring but respectable choices.Every other character may have been interesting but the fact they never did a single brawler champion that wasn't Illaoi is absolutely insane. Sett and Lee Sin were immediately clocked as fighter ready. Ryze and Kat were in concept art and would have been good classic picks. You could have run a fucking poll and people would tell you who they want to see. Instead they did tie-ins for other failed Riot products (Arcane had one good season of television and that's it) and then died. The last character they're making is Samira who's practically a baby in terms of time in League and is just a Dante function.Fuck these people.
>>746057345The thing is they could have gotten basically everything else right and it still would’ve been doomed because the name 2XKo is that fucking bad.
I have to admit I'm kinda jealousImagine getting to spend a decade getting payed a california dev salary to just fuck around doing nothing, make a game literally no one but you likes and then gloat about it after it flopsIt's pretty lame he just made another generic active tag easy inputs mindless assist spam game though. I'd have at least done something crazy and experimental with it if I didn't give a shit about the game succeeding anyway.
>>746057335What makes a man become like this
>>746019007they made a new entry in the DNF duel/ granblue casual slop genre and they expected it not to die in 6 months? At this point i have nothing but contempt for these idiots destroying fighting games, they all deserve to burn, arcsys too with their garbage corporate capeshit sludge.I dont know how many games need to flop before they realise the formula is hardcore + great character design, that's literally all it takes to make an instant classic
>>746019359No ahri upskirt and no Annie upskirt plus none of the characters I play in league of legends made it in
>>746057767He did give a shit though, he’s a redditor
>>746057602I mean every single thing Riot put up that wasnt LoL was a failure. Valorant had good timing capitalizing on the lockdowns, and Riftbound seems like its currently doing well, but it might fuck itself up in a couple of years like every new TCG. These sorts of people can be found in their other titles too.
>>746057247>>746057697Don't let who the characters are distract you from their functions. There wasn't a single boring easy shoto in the launch roster. That is, the most played fighting game archetype by far had zero representation.
>>746057805It’s literally in his name and in case you haven’t figured it out check the flag in his social media.
>>746056321>"I'd rather make an interesting failure than a boring success."So why did he make a boring failure?
>>746033886Zoe is quarter dollar store Annie. You should have used Annie as the go to example OP.
>>746057729>>746031434It's only named 2XKO because they somehow determined that referencing the ip was the "4th most important trait a name should have". It's the biggest reason the game failed, but there's so much incompetency needed to even arrive to that name.
>>746056321He made the most boring big budget fighting game of the generation, it was so dull nobody played it even though it was free. Why are these people so delusional.10 years, infinite budget, instant install base with a large IP and they made a shitty also ran tag fighter that not even marvel players wanted.
>>746040326>No single player options whatsoever, all those new fighting game players better get their ass in ranked if they want to practice something as simple as moving their character on the screenThis is the most egregious one.How can anyone have fun when their first experience of the game will be to get juggled for 40 fucking seconds across the screen between two characters?Over and over and over.
>>746057942No. Zoe is better and more charming and way way more fun to play.
>>746056608isnt pattheflip a youtuber? i dont think he cares about getting another job in gamedev
Why didnt they just make a LoL Hero Shooter, there is ZERO overlap between fighting games and ASSFAGGOTS just what the fuck were they thinking? Like lets go for the hyper niche genre thats always in a constant state of dying while also making it F2P when fgcfags dont really buy skins
>>746058301Just say you think zoe is hotter nobody is going to lynch you here pussy boi
>>746040510"Tooeckskayoh"
>>746058171>It's the biggest reason the game failedThis is cope. New IPs can succeed, old IPs like GG can suddenly become popular. Rising Thunder was succeeding without the LoL IP. Under Night In-Birth II Sys:Celes makes money with the worst name of all time. If 2xko was good it wouldn't even need the LoL IP to succeed, but they couldn't get people to play it for free.
>>746019359how many of those people are the ones that get paid to say nice things about games that aren't out yet?
>>746051129>thankfully i haven't read any of the takes>seethes on reddit and deletes account when somebody namedrops him
>>746058316are you confusing him with the ginger dwarf from best friends play?he's not a youtuber but these people always fail upwards in the gaming industry anyway
>>746058384What they should have done is actually focus on not making league of legends a shitty game and make that mmo that's been in development forever
>>746058384There's more overlap than you'd thinkbut it's all with Dota for some reason
>>746058426Well that too, she is more fuckable. But I still stand by all the other things I said. Her gameplay is actually one of the best in all of league and it was a major missed opportunity to not include her, she would be fun as a fighting game character, think of the left right mixups with her portals and crazy stuff you could do with her ping pong projectile. How would annie play? You just throw fireballs and then summon a bear to teamrape your opponent? Eh, boring.
>>746019007Has Sajam already tried to spin the Pat article into something that covers their ass?
>>746058559no im not a basic bitch who watches that fucking retard, I was confusing him with the core A gaming guy though.
Didn’t Pat also try to lie that it wasn’t 10 years until it was blatant to everyone that it was 10 years?
>>746058587There's no overlap at all because there's nothing for a lol player to pin the blame on his loss if it's a 1v1. There is NOTHING on this world a lol player hates more than taking accountability for his own fuck ups
>>7460585012xko is a worse name than everything you listed
>>746058301Looking at the amounts of fanart they both get I can tell you that's a lie.
>>746057371You can stop pretending to be retarded. The game was majorly shat on by almost every corner of the FGC during beta, which, among all other clusterfucks during the development, forced Riot to make changes before release.It literally takes 15 seconds to google.
>>746058838But the big selling point of 2xko was playing 2v2 with a friend
>>746058642Her gameplay is literally just old nidalee before they nonstop gimped her
>>746058501biggest reason of many. Fucking up the easiest part (the name) so badly that people interested in the main game don't even know it's a spinoff is impressive. I knew people who bought Granblue Versus just for the gacha code
>>746058838I just mean in playerbasesit's weirdly common for fighting game players, particularly the semi-burned-out oldhead types, to also play dota
>>746034562There are 200 other pedo-bait characters that aren't condensed 2011 tumblr shit
>>746058228>He made the most boring big budget fighting game of the generation, it was so dull nobody played it even though it was free.What's hilarious is that not even he played it>I am, of course, sad for the team, and sad for the players. I've only played a couple sets since the layoff – after playing the game for work for ten years, playing the game as a player just feels like I'm giving Riot a freebie – but from what I've seen, the game has continued to improve and I have the utmost confidence in the team to leave the game in a strong state for the community to play in perpetuity.
>>746019007Did you rike it?
>>746050032What cope did Aris have?
>>746051401anything you think that's the worse that another race will do, a filipino is more likely to do it for no tangible benefit to themselves other than ego
>>746058886Ooh that's still way too few people to shift the blame on
>>746059037I liked his other game more despite being incomplete and cheap looking(Avatar)
>>746051129i've seen people that would normally be on his side dunking on his retarded takes, as far as anyone is concerned he's effectively blacklisted by anyone that wouldn't have caused the same flop he did
>>746058384>Why didnt they just make a LoL Hero Shooter,Because they made Valorant instead. And it wound up being their most successful new game to date.
>>746044382The outlier for modern controls is Japan, every other region rejects the control scheme at large.
>>746041054Its literally mvci2
If you made this piece of shit what would have been (YOU)R roster for the game?
>>746059406all the monsters and ugly bastards (of old, actual league of legends)
>>746045130No one needs any reason to shit on LoL and Riot
>>746050621I'll never apologize for liking the only borderline decent game Riot has ever made
>>746051129>i'm like watching movies in my officeNo wonder they can't make a product worth shit LMAO
Tagslop are party games. Smash is a more properly fighter than tagslop
>>746059406only sexy girls
>>746053947>Images you can hearhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gby15Y3cOEE&list=PL5ZYa6WKvySBCqnkvR7y3pLpS2LbnUNja&index=4
>>746053397Dude is making at the very least 250k a year pretending to work. Anyone with more than 3 working synapses would not be publicly bragging about his zero workload life.
>>746056805>he's completely out of touchNail on the headI am a senior software dev, never worked in game dev or been in a situation where I need to make risky consumer facing decisions like this.But he very clearly has 0 care for anyone on his team and what happens to them or the situations they are in, not to mention as you said how out of touch he is with most people. But I know so many people who just insulate themselves so much and basically never speak with the average person and have such a warped view of life.
>>746019097this guy is a massive cuckold, keeps a housenigger to fuck his Asian wife while he streams mediocre gameplay
damn they multiversus'd it
>>746019007Riot deserves this for pozzing and censoring the hell out of LoL.
>>746019007I didn't read any of that, but the biggest thing that should have kept people from caring about this game to begin with was the idea of a fighting game made by riot. That is literally all you have to tell me to get me to say "no thanks."If this game kept going on, sooner or later they would have pissed off their players no matter how "good" the game was just due to shitty riotisms. One day players were gonna wake up and find that their favorite character has been "reworked," functions nothing like their previous version, switched from being a rushdown to a zoner or some shit, and the original character has for all intents and purposes been deleted from the game. That scenario, assuming the game remained in active development, would not have been an 'if' but a 'when.' One day players would wake up and find their favorite character completely gutted, nerfed into oblivion because it had a .01% higher winrate than what they consider acceptable, leaving them completely unplayable. One way or another, this game would have been fucked eventually, even if they had done everything "right."Anyways, yordle cocksleeves are the literal only thing of value riot has ever granted this world.
>>746056064>This was like the biggest slam dunk in project management in video game historyLolno. Fighting games that aren't called Smash Bros have been an increasingly niche genre since the start of the milleniu, not to mention the community of giga autists is notoriously one of the hardest to please behind only RTS fags, unlike Valo kiddies who will eat whatever dogshit Riot throws at them because most shooter players are actual NPC consoomers.This entire project was stupid since the very beginning
I met a nu league of legends dev once and he was the most insufferable faggot I have ever had to endure. If the company deigned appropriate to hire that thing then I can see what's wrong with them
surely project f will save riot
>>746060180Project Failure
>>746019007>2xko will be remembered as one of the biggest pieces of shit ever made in any genreI didn't know it existed, unlike concord and marathon.
>>746059406>Annie >Lee Sin >Jax >Cho'Gath >Tristana >Katarina >Poppy>Garen>Blitzkrank >Tryndamere >SionAll of them in their OG release selfs Urf as the final boss and his stage is just an open mass grave for all the quirk chungus champs and snowflake champs that Riot has released over the years.
>>746056690The netcode is nice, except they released 5 years after the rest of the popular games had also addressed their dogshit netcode too
>>746060180This project was cancelled when the woman in the 10 year anniversary video got let go during a layoff. it was a silent cancellationsource: im this autistic
>>746060180>the codenames for Riot's two biggest non-ASSFAGGOTS projects are Project L and Project F>both of which are lingo for failure / deathLife is funny sometimes
>>746060165>One day players were gonna wake up and find that their favorite character has been "reworked,"The funny thing is that this sort of happened. Pros complained that their combo routes would completely change every patch, and they had frequent patches. They also completely reworked everything from beta to beta
>>746059406all lolis
>>746019007>NOOO you cant have the coolest characters riot has ever made>no zoeLMFAO
>>746019007>2xko will be rememberedno it wont
>>746058531If I got schooled by a fucking redditor I'd genuinely consider just shooting myself LMFAO
>>746058531>Work with one of the biggest gaming companies on their next big project>Spend your spare time seething over small teams
>>746057182still based
>>746043614and riot is a california company with over 4000 employees while dota is icefrog and 4 random valvers out of 300lol bleeding players because its fundamentally impossible for new players to get into it matters a shit load more for them because they only have so many whales willing to buy $500 dollar skins who will slowly diealso>millions of flies eat shit
>>746057602>Riot was smart actually they paid a group of people salaries for 10 years to get a piece of shit that nobody likes, that's very based!!!Anon.......................
>>746059315Valorant is a tactical shooter thou, I dont know how they look at how long Overwatch remained uncontested in the market and now Rivals making over a billion so fast with mostly people under 24 playing it and not want to take a shotDropping LoL characters in a hero shooter seems like such an easy no brainer
>>7460193592XKO launched as a very solid fighting game. The problems with the game have pretty much nothing to do with the quality of the gameplay. The one real gameplay complaint is that they constantly "balanced" the game, and by balanced I mean constantly nerfed everything and everyone nonstop, completely reinventing how the game and characters played. They needed a much more measured approach. It was in dev for 10 years yet launched with 10 characters, some of which they showed in original trailers 7+ years ago completely shelved and/or unfinished still. It was f2p freemium slop with battle passes, cosmetics out the ass, etc. It also tried to bank on its "duos" gimmick that nobody really cared for and was problematic for online + tournament play because nobody cared to regulate how that was supposed to work. The game failed due to mismanagement and lazy ass devs
>>746058904I have never seen a statement more wrong.
>>746060165Based. Reworks are poison and anyone who defends them is a nigger.
>>746056690>Did 2xko have any positive qualities?No. At least with a game like BB Tag despite how shitty it was the mechanics were interesting and I could see more potential with it had they made a BB Tag 2 or used it in a future tag game. 2xko was just a waste of time.
>>746056690>Did 2xko have any positive qualities?Being able to live spectate a game in the lobby without having to leave the lobby or join someone's game. It just broadcast the game being played on a big TV for everyone to watch and that was really cool. Every other game needs you to press X/A to spectate their cabinet and you effectively leave the lobby while spectating because you are locked into a fullscreen game.
>>746060693I think I'll give French Bread more of my money and get one of those JP preorder wallscrolls or something in celebration.
>>746019007I knew it would fall flat the second they decided 2XKO would be a good name.
>>746042318Multiversus and Jumpforce are why I have trust issues.
Did they really never advertise the game in their own launcher? Wouldn't that cost basically nothing and get loads of people to take a look? Did they at least do a "play 5 ranked games to get a player card in LoL" that every other multi game publisher does? How did they fumble this so hard?
>>746062316I'm starting to think there might be credibility to the rumors that they actually wanted it to fail and die.
It didn't have Poppy, of course it failed.
>>746039036to be fair, LoL is borderline impossible to learn and play now. it was a retard version of rts but there is so many matchups to learn today and forced meta strats that the game is bleeding players and can't draw new blood at all. this is why riot is desperate to get new players
>>746062431>shit even if we make SF6 numbers the production costs are going to be way too high to support this game>but we haven't released anything in ages and public trust is going to plummet if we cancel this game in the middle of layoff season>okay, tell no one in the development team but we're going to make sure this fails as cheaply as possible and make sure that the influencers all blame it on an industry issue
>>746041063just copy the alpha series like granblue did
It's really weird how allergic Riot are to fanservice nowadaysEven with the pool party skins, their literal last shot at maybe making money, they made sure it'd flop by going down the safe horny/tame af roadFucking Ahri, a literal seductress, wasn't allowed to wear something truly revealing
>>746062987>ahri, a literal seductressNoooooo you don't understaaaaaaaaaaaand. That part of her life is over withhhhhhhhhhhh
>>746062498Sorry Poppybro, I thought she deserved to get into Smash.>>746062987We don't sexualize women anymore, chud.
>>746059406I don't think their initial 7 or 8 choices on their own merit were all that bad. If they launched with 16 total and after the original 7 or 8 you put in the "Yeah no shit" ones like Lee Sin and the like it would have been fine.
>>746063575I want to cut the heads off everyone who works at riot, I want their heads on a pike.
>>746062987It's a cross between a Californian company and Chink owned one. It's the worst of both worlds
Why didn't they just make Granblue but LoL version? That game is still chugging along and it's easy to get into.
>>746064525Because of "sauce"
>>746064525I was about to say something smarmy about how Riot only wants free-to-play successes that dominate their market but I remembered they do actually have a few Steam releases so there was genuinely no reason they couldn't have done the same thing other than the team leads being pretentious retards
>>746064525I do believe that, if nothing else, Pat's statement about the game needing to be the biggest fighting game ever to survive was true. Granblue but LoL probably wouldn't have done that even though it's a stunning success by its own requirements.There're a ton of reasons 2XKO did worse than it could have but at the end of the day, I don't think any problem was bigger than the budget and dev time. MBTL sold something like 500'000 copies and it's considered an amazing runaway success for FB.
>>746019097>listening to E-celebs and normies about game designWhy do developers keep making this mistake
>>746064661The only reason it needed to be the biggest fighting game ever is because they released F2P and had basically nothing to buy other than $80 skins. I guess they wanted to avoid the embarrassment of releasing as a paid game and getting like 5 players, but isn't even more embarrassing releasing as F2P and then still averaging barely 12 viewers on twitch?
>>746064525
>>7460648462XKO started development during a time when freemium titles were still hot. I'm sure they expected it to enter the fighting game market the same way that League of Legends and Valorant entered the MOBA and FPS markets. I'm not sure they could've charged for it by the time it came out but I don't remember what kind of promises they'd made already from the announcement to that point.Even gacha games have adjusted their strategies in this era where freemium titles just don't cut it.
Even dnf managed to get support for 2 years after release.
>>746064661>Pat's statement about the game needing to be the biggest fighting game ever to survive was true.It wouldn't have needed to be that big if it had been made in a reason timeframe of 2-4 year by a reasonable size team of a few dozen people at most, which would have been completely doable if they had just tried making it a relatively simplistic and down to earth game from the start. A simplistic down to earth game like say, I don't know, RISING THUNDER.
>>746064525There is no way GBFVS made the kind of money Riot would have wanted in order to deem 2XKO a success.
none of you could rob a company for 10 years
>>746019359its failed because fighting game as a genre is a failed genre unless your name is street fighter or one of those legacy fighting games and even then those games die out in the first 3-5 month idk i keep telling you niggas this
>>746065397i've been working at mine for longer, and I have steam installed on the work PC
>>746045768>That stream where he was sponsored by Bounty paper towels and literally had a sub notification for it and everythingIsnt he rich as fuck why is he pretending he needs money this bad?
>>746065397for a guy who claims to value his personal artistic integrity over making a profit, he certainly did not make good on the ten years he was being given blank checks
>>746065468Fighters aren't a failed genre. They're held up to unrealistic expectations. If the goal of a video game is to make a good profit and see play until they're done supporting it, fighting games achieve that better than a ton of genres that don't get the same amount of shit. A lot of people consider fucking GBVS a failure when its sales were excellent, its been supported as a series for years, and matchmaking is still healthy at all levels to this day.Even a ton of the worst flops we have would be considered successes in other genres like Invincible or MBTL. The amount of fighting games that're true failures is probably much smaller in reality than for most genres.
Region locking a fighting game was fucking retarded. Having good netcode means absolutely nothing when you’re literally preventing the situations where it would actually be needed from happening in the first place.
You'll save a lot of time listing the good decisions they made rather than listing the bad ones
>>746064968Could've been worse, imagine if they hired a guy who only played Super Turbo to design the game.
>>746019359>Taking 7 years to make a fighting game>Relying on a funding model completely reliant on expensive skins and massive playerbase (see valorant)>Literally have like 4 gun girls+teemo in the game
>>746066149I don't even understand how Valorant makes so much money. You can't buy character skins in that game, only gun skins that you can also pick up off the floor from other people, and it also has the fighting game issue where at most you're realistically only going to spend enough money to have one skin per weapon like how you'd only buy one skin for each character you're going to play in a fighter. League cosmetics at least make sense to me because you're expected to regularly change between characters you're playing and skins are often very transformative.
>>746065306>Buy company that is making an accessible fighting game>The systems in the game are already completely done, it's essentially a complete game just missing modes/characters>All you need to do is swap them in for LoL models and maybe change the artstyle a bit>Spend 10 years completely changing the entire system of the dev that you bought and presumably changing the entire engineWhat was the fucking point of it all? It boggles the mind.
>>746019359Whoever convinced Riot that the FGCfags and MOBAfags overlapped had to have been a Saul Goodman level bullshitter
>>746066342one of the biggest disappointments of adulthood is realizing that meritocracy is a lie and how much incompetence and sheer luck there is out here
>>746019359Not even lol's players were aware about its release, and the roster is too shit.
>>746056064>What is Caitlyn doing there?LGBTBBQ and Arcane. These are more important than having a proper roster.
>>746059406fill the roster with fan favorites and chars that appeal to the masses its that simple
>>746056690Pool party Ahri.
>>746019359because retard don't buy skin to show off in the billions like they do in LoL, investor moved on (and they should suffer bilions of lost from being this retarded, but that another story)
>no Lee Sin>no Udyr>no Sett>not even fucking GARENWHAT WAS RIOT THINKING???
>>746058501Under Night In-Birth II Sys:Celes sounds cool actually
>>746066342The devs probably tricked all the riot executives by repeatedly telling them that the game could be even more successful and profitable if they just gave them a bit more time and budget to make it fancier and more complex, until before they knew it the game had been in development for an entire decade, not a single drop of its original identity was left, and the cosmetic sales would need to be so incredibly high after so much money got poured into it that it could never possibly turn a profit.
The prospect that Riot Games would develop a game that's not LoL was exciting 12 years ago, but by the time they got around to executing that and putting out Valorant, most of their early fans had become jaded and the new fans just saw them as another game dev. They can't coast off of being THE Riot Games anymore.
It does bother me why there's a focus on Arcane. I thought they already knew arcanefags don't want to touch lol, why would this be any different
>>746067448for some reason, corpos still don't realize watching slop is way easier than playing slop
>>746067062>dude arcane was popular let's fill the game with arcane characters so those 35 years old women who loved it will totally play this degenerate fighting game for retired marvel players
I actually played the Ruined King RPG and we're only missing GP, MF, and Pyke from that roster.And Maokai if you want to count him>Ahri>Yasuo>Braum>Illaoi>Thresh
The real core issue about all of this 2XKO shit is:WHY are fgc boomers so fucking pretentious and insufferable?How much of a faggot you need to developp that big of an ego to rob Riot for 10 years because you have a "vision" of what would be the greatest fighting game of all time?These fucking balding genXers have no career, no palmares, no achievements but playing MvC2 and sf2 turbo back in the 90s in smelly arcades while they were teens and suddenly they feel like they have the absolute authority on fighting game as a whole.I'm so glad zoomers are taking over because balding oldheads are the most pathetic entitled faggots deserving nothing but mockery for being what they are, irrelevant angry old men who are shit at games and could not stand on ft2 against a 10 year old chilean in their own games.>bu-bu-but muh DaigoDaigo has said that street fighter 6 is the best street fighter game that ever existed and that third strike is the worst fucking sf if not the worst fucking fighting game in the history of the genre and hates it more than anything ever.Old bad, new good, balding norwood 4 genXers with 0 local win but against their friends back in 96 should all go to retirement home and kill themselves because their games and ESPECIALLY mahvel 2 are complete fucking garbage.
>>746040035This is probably 60% of the reason why it failed.
>>746067834yo fuck you. MvC2 is mechanically the best tag fighter ever made even with the balance issues. It's not its fault that literally every "successor" copied all the wrong shit from it instead of refining the good stuff
>>746067834>balding balding balding norwood 4why are zoomers so fucking obsessed with hair loss and height, theyre like women the way they obsess over appearances.Is it the tik tok?
>>746067062At first it was synergy with their other games, than it was arcane season
>>746067448Focusing on arcane would have made sense if they had released the game around the first season when it actually had hype. But the second season was shit and even then the game came out a year after that season.
>>746067834>One guy makes a bad game so now every guy who likes fighting games is bad
>>746067834blame riot for paying a bunch of pro gamer idea guys and two assholes who haven't done anything worthwhile since ggpo, the writing was on the wall from the first gameplay reveal. Zoomer retards will hate to hear it but mvc2 is a god game beyond argument, and it isn't just because of the high level minutiae that so many people love it.
>>746063575>not only remove breasts and thighs>but also add a retarded second scope for no reasonI'm entirely convinced anyone that works at Riot has down syndrome
>>746068537Even at max hype, it wouldn't have helped. Riot literally said Arcane S1 or S2 didn't move LoL player numbers, hence they had to cope with the prestige angle.Fighting games are even more niche than MOBAs, so it would have done fuck-all.
>>746064373Chinks have been based for a while though
>>746068225It's to remind you that you are old, not the wise type of old but the jaded type of old.You spent all day shitting on every new fighting game released in the last 10 years without playing them, claim it was better in the goold old days of shitty kusoge with 3 viable characters and painful mechanics yet when you team up and make a game it dies in less than a year because you wanted to shove all your boomer fantasy within it.You can see the clear distinction between the american genXer and the japanese/asian genXer, the former cries on twitter everyday about strive being garbage casual for trannies, granblue is boring and sauceless, tekken8 is not a real tekken and sf6 is the worst sf game ever for dumb adhd zoomers. Meanwhile the latter is too busy playing the game, keeping relevance as a legend and top figure like Daigo, winning tier1 tournaments like Xiao Hai or Tokido just did 2 weeks ago and also having a good hairline.
>>746042943it literlly does already kek
>>746019007>2xko will be rememberedwrong
>>746019007basically appealed to nooneleague players want sexy characters, hot skins and tons of variety fighting game players want classic fighting game mechanics and legacythis had neither
>>746063575Damn imagine if we got TwoKO back when Riot was still based, and instead of a tag clusterfuck it was a japanese style doujin fighter with bouncing titties and sexy designs.
>>746067834>Daigo has said that street fighter 6 is the best street fighter game that ever existedThat list did not have Alpha 3 as an option. That's his actual favorite SF.
>>746068927hes right, it will be remembered, as a failure
>>746068764>Nigger assYuck.
>>746068840>Meanwhile the latter is too busy playing the gameMore like the later gave up and left. Where are all the +R and Xrd pros nowadays? Certainly not playing Strive.
>>746019097>>746025125Why are fighting game niggers so obsessed about ecelebs? Every thread you have posts like these.
>>746069715More spectators than players on /v/, as it is anywhere.
>>746069565>Where are all the +R and Xrd pros nowadays?playtesting and balancing the modern games you guys complain about now
How the fuck do I keep up with online brackets without discord or twitter
>>746064846>12 viewers on twitchdidn't they hire a bunch of ecelebs and vtrannies for a long ass time to host and take part on some events? had a shared tv with roommate's twitch logged in and he kept that shit loud at times
>>746069523>sees white woman>thinks of niggersThe kikes won, huh
>>746019007All they needed to do was to make a faster GBVS since it was supposed to be for beginners. Hell they couldve experimented with Item Builds, since yknow, its based off a fucking MOBA???? None of this tag game bullshit, I fucking hate anime/marvel players turned devs.Also karmic justice for shitting on Under Night's name. Literally just called it Fighters of Runeterra or League of Legends: The Fighting Game
>cease development, but leave game up>a core community forms>bugs become features>people appreciate the mechanics>larger community formsLiterally the Smash Bros Melee route. Riot knows what they are doing.
>>746070305>didn't they hire a bunch of ecelebs and vtrannies for a long ass time to host and take part on some events?That's every riot game. They know their audience.Except they forgot their audience is 1 whole IQ point away from being clinically considered retarded and they'd fall asleep trying to learn a fighting game
>>746068623tbqh there's precedence>psa all stars>that nickelodeon game>multiversus>icons
>>746070305well, anon, did (you) or your stream watching roommate end up playing 2XKO™?
>>746069565Best example for Xrd pros are Daru and TY. Example for +R pro is FAB. All still playing Strive.
>>746070627Am I misremembering or did Daru actually fucking win anything in Strive with I-no yet?
>>746070823He won EVO Japan last year
>>746070949Okay, so I'm not crazy.Glad a character specialist from Xrd actually accomplished something in Strive with someone who isn't Sol, Leo, or Johnny.
>>746019007Glad this shit flopped. I can only hope Tokon meets a similar fate even if it would lack dev crashout and public facing cringe. Tired of these garbage modern fighters that are endlessly shilled by fgc ecelebs selling out their own hobby.
>>746057123what waifu is that?
>>746071294Mine.
>>746070439>a core community formsBold of you to assume this step is going to happen. How many 2XKO diehards do you know? Literally everyone I know who championed the game was either a variety eceleb paid to play the game or an FGC player who already has their own favorite games to play. Do you think any of them will think "Hmm, I need to keep playing and developing a scene for this game it's just that good"?
>>746070551>there's precedence>proceeds to list four games that aren't fighting gameswoaw
>>746019097lmao max is just larping like every other fighting game content creators and players they dont like playing this genre never seen a genre people act like they play but dont
>>746034562i made her pregnant
imagine dev last update that include all the legacy bloats as a ironic send off.>enable motion inputs >kara cancel >ib/fd>plinking >soul stealing >fly/unfly>0f grabs>combo from throws>overpowered character identity kitswould be nice
>>746059406>Garen/Darius (obligatory)>Jax (obligatory)>Yasuo/Lee Sin/Riven/Zed (obligatory + also Ionia reps)>Cho'Gath/Kha'Zix/Kassadin (void rep)>Braum/Trundle/Gragas (Freljord rep)>Blitzcrank/Zac (Zaun rep)>Gangplank/TF/Graves (Bilgewater rep)>Tahm Kench/Pyke (also Bilgewater rep)>Ekko/Jinx (also Zaun rep)>Jayce/Vi (Piltover rep)>Heimerdinger/Teemo (Bandle rep)>Mordekaiser/Thresh (Shadow Isle rep)>Renekton/Nasus (Shurima rep)>Pantheon/Diana (Targon rep)>Katarina/Sion (Noxus rep)>Poppy/Fiora (Demacia rep)>Shaco/Zilean (gimmick champs)
>>746071294https://myanimelist.net/character/263759/Comoli_Harcourt
>>746071891They should just buff/nerf random shit and ruin their game knowing they're being fired and that Riot won't give a shit enough to get someone to fix it.
>>746059931But enough about sajam
>>746071891a dead game with 10 characters in current year isn't doing shit no matter what they add
>>746072192>with 10 characters17 when they add the two final ones, I think
>>746056064>What is Caitlyn doing there?Arcane. That's all there is to it. They were confident that Arcane is this generation's StarWar, and that shilling it anywhere would simply result in tremendous sales.
>>746072192if would be nice to remove those modern design limiter and let everybody be vergil tier op
>>746071891The saddest thing will be watching them write five paragraphs about how leaving everything the same is for the sake of the community and immortalizing all the neutered versions of the ideas they had
>>746019007They had the sale numbers for fighting games. Why did they do it?
>>746019097>max lieddis nigga hyped up invincible vs. and its already dead.
>>746072586They thought they had brand power to shore the numbers up.
>>746019097If someone here makes a fighting game, please make the mandatory tall blonde man with long hair the joke character.
>>746019007its not too late to change your ways Riot
>>746041197Well that depends, do these seem like reasonable picks for a FighterZ 2?>Bulma>Chi-Chi>Launch>Annin>Fasha>Zangya>Panzy>Vados>Future Mai>Caulifla>Kale>Ribrianne>Kakunsa>Rozie>Dercori>Caway>Cocette>Pan>Oceanus Shenron>Mamba>Towa>Chronoa>Lagss>Kamin>Aios>Bonyu
Valve should pay some Japanese doujin game maker to shit out a Dota2 fighting game just to mog Riot even harder.
Not having Lee Sin even after all the updates is fucking diabolical. It is retardation that borders on incomprehensible. He is THE character for fightan, there are several of those in the lol roster, but he is probably the most organic one to add. A huge roundhouse kick that sends the opponent flying. It's like having an already ready and popular version of Rain from MK or Haehyun from Xrd, but it's already PREMADE for you, and people expect you to add him. I could already imagine the crowd going HEY HEY HEY with every roundhouse wallbounce rep or something. But instead we get this shit, and then told that this team has 2000 years of game dev experience and that they know better. Utterly mind-boggling. Cannot pay me to feel sorry for these retards.
>>746062987Seriously why is Riot so allergic to even a bit of fanservice nowadays?
Is this game concordian?
>>746072750He's not getting that privilege of actually being playable, he's going to be the blonde-wigged and bespectacled training dummy.
>>746070439This might be the most retarded dose of copium yet
>>746072814Chi-Chi could work, but she'd just be another boyfriend summoner like Videl.Fasha and Zangya are cool, they just don't have a lot of material to draw from. their movesets would need to be from scratch, basically.Caulifla and Kale were robbed. one of them should be playable with the other as an assist, like Videl and Gohan.Ribrianne and her friends are gag characters. pass.everybody else you named is in the same boat as Zangya or worse.
>>746072948Trannies, kikes, and asexual Gen Zs
>>746072941>236X: Fireball>236XX: Follow-up kick>22X: Command Dash>214X: Ground Slam>Super: Bigass KickPay me right now, Riot.
>>746058880Where did you find a higher res version of that one?Or did you just zoom in
>>746072814>>746073049just as a follow-up thought, i'd probably still be playing DBFZ if they'd added Kale w/ Caulifla assist as a character instead of Roshi.
>>746072814>BonyuWould.
>>746019007This is the most by-the-numbers culture warrior shitposting I've seen. Like it's not even a real post, it's just a list of things to complain about and how to complain about them like you'd be assigned by your masters on tw*tter and then just filled out accordingly. Like it's on the same level as a 5th Grader writing assignment.
2XKO was made too much for fighting game fags who fetishize doing un-fun shit like sitting in training mode for 2k hoursA good fighting game should be like street SF2 or VF where you can pick it up, play and get better by playing, and training mode is for honing that even more and learning a technique or edgecase better, not for learning fucking ALL your combos.
is 2xko even worth playing offline when its dead at this point? is there any version thats even worth playing that isnt the latest?
>>746071753>Bold of you to assume this step is going to happen.Not him, but if TNS keeps doing their tourneys, then it'll keep going.
>>746073414What do you mean offline, there's no fucking content other than ranked battles kek
>>746019007>2XKOIsn't this the company that owns GTA?
>>746073389the bnb is the easiest part and short. the game plays like mvc2 where you have to convert from chaotic scramble from every interaction.
>>746073462Didn't they add a roguelike mode?
>>746073462>has offline mode specifically for playing offline locally including multiplayeranon?
>>746056321>"Why not? The worst thing that happens is that we all get fired.">I grew up without a lot of money to access the hobbies I cared about dearlyI think if you actually grew up without a lot of money, you would actually care about keeping your source of income and wouldn't be so cavalier with the idea of losing your job
>>7460734622XKO has an offline mode for tourney setups. You play with your friends locally.You DO have friends, right?
>>746073389according to scrubs every fighting game is made for doing "un--fun shit like sitting in training mode for 2k hours". no fighting game requires this.
>>746019007How many Concords has that been now? 10? Seriously,how in the fuck do you screw up a property like League of Legends. All you gotta do is have Ahri and sell lewd coomer skins so you can get some decent revenue like Dead or Alive.
>>746073521I watched gameplay and it looks like it's trying so hard to be as generically like every modern fighter. And you said it, it's all about hitconfirming into a long combo that you need training mode to learn how to extend and corner carry for a setup etc etcIt's just the same shit it feels like
>>746073657Yes they do, dumbass. When the CotW beta came out, literally everyone was shitting their pants and saying the game was unplayable because they didn't have a training mode.
>>746073728>All you gotta do is have Ahri and sell lewd coomer skins so you can get some decent revenue like Dead or Alive.As much money as this would bring, it wouldn't recoup the costs of 10 years of development
>>746073728>How many Concords has that been now? 10?2. Concord and HighguardMost of the rest weren't big enough productions to be considered concordian, and ones like Marathon haven't shut down yet. Doesn't stop resident flopsloppers from trying to push more games as counting though in order to generate content to take back to twitter. Like when they obsessed for a few weeks about that one game that some dude from Imagine Dragons paid to have made and literally no one else knew about.
>>746073728>How many Concords has that been now? 10?Deadlock won't be a failure!!!!!!
>>746073389I think its impossible to release a modern arcade style fighting game where you can just play it without labing homework
>>746019007>2xko will be rememberedNo it won't.
>>746073862>people want to learn how to play the game better and see how the system is different from other games>this means you are REQUIRED to spend 150 hours in training mode before playing against another playerYou can just play the ranked mode man, what makes you think you need to have 80% optimal combos just to fight another human just because it's a modern fighting game.
>>746073941Marathon is a bigger flop than Concord. Sony wrote in their post-Marathon audit that Bungie has literally no value beyond its name now.
>>746056321I don't understand what he thinks he accomplished. The game is dead no one can play it anymore. By this man's own logic he made a beautiful corpse that you can't even oggle anymore because it got cremated immediately.Moreover all this does is hurt the chances of making a successful fighting game in the future because holy shit this is such a hilarious failure why would any company give any of these people money again? Is he coping what is he actually trying to say here?
I keep saying every western fighting game is fucking cursed.
>>746074768Killer Instinct is fine. Underrated even
>>746074825But was it smart to release on a single console?
>>746074825And now the devs made InvincibleVS
>>746074768>inb4 BUT AVATAR BREAK LE CURSE!
>>746033308Every time Riot makes these sorts of posts it's always the most pseudo-intellectual shit you could read
>>746074768
>>746074768>>746074825Mortal Kombat and KI were both fine, Invincible VS is good. Yeah they're not perfect, but they could be SF4/5(on release) tier and they aren't.
>>746074052That was true back in the day, but the gap between bnb and optimal combos has widened with each generation. Fine, but It's largely padding that gets in the way of fun. It's not really added depth or anything interesting when you burn meter to extend a combo, or when you choose an assist that lets you extend a combo or create a wakeup trap. These are things that "FGC" fags have fetishized to the point they can't imagine a game without them.Thry act like this shit is needed and ignore the birthing era of fighters in the arcades didn't have any of this bullshit, you learned by playing. The games everyone fondly remembers like SF2, VF2 and even VSAV had techniques you learned by matches and never touching training mode. None of them involve combos you sit in training mode resetting for hundreds of hours, until after you're really good and want to power up edgecases and specific things. Now you do such a training-mode optimized combo atleast 4 times per round or else desu you're not really playing, you're just fucking around. COTW lacking a training mode was all everyone was talking about. It was a huge fucking controversy, while all the prior beloved fighters didn't even have training.No one looks back and says "man my childhood was great. I spent 2k hours in training mode learning a handful of combos and still never won a tournament." It just says a lot how utterly generic 2XKO looks trying to fit this mold. All this superfluous bullshit needs to be flushed away and be reminded of what is actually fun.
>>746075056That's not a western fighting game
Alright let's hit the bump limit on this bitch and hopefully all the other fake fightan threads get pruned soon too so we can have an actual FG bread. Nothin but bitches posting bait on the catalog and no actual thread.
>>746075168The actual fg thread today would be just another 2xko debate and probably some discussion and hype on Gamescom ONL tomorrow expecting fg related news.
>>746075303We're just scattered right now, the coomers/animefags are posting softcore Es porn in a dedicated thread, the larpers are in a SF3S thread, and the 2XKO drama is in here. The makings of a perfectly good thread, but all three are slow as hell since they're divided up.
Arcane was the worst thing to come out of Riot. It got normies interested in their games and Riot changed all the designs of the characters to their Arcane models and they all look like shit. Caitlyn had a cute bimbo cop vibe and now she looks like a reject from Bioshock.Everyone has Ekko and Illaoi fatigue have been shilled hard in three separate spin offs. Ahri was a popular character unless Riot desexualized her despite her lore, now no one cares. The last cute champions were Zoe and Gwen who are what 4-5 years old, in that span there were probably at least 10+ brown champions.Riot sucks, grew too large for its own good, and became corporate chasing trends that no one cares about anymore. The Fighting game fad has been dead for 2 years now, people only care about Street Fighter and Tekken.
>>746074448>The game is dead no one can play it anymore.Why not? No one is stopping you.
>>746075442If your favorite video game series gets a TV show on Goyflix or Prime, its pretty much over. Can't think of a single exception.
TWO AXE KEY OW!
I hate tag fighters.
Mike Z won.
>>746060180I am so sick and tired of this nigger Ekko, man. He's in fucking everything. He's so ugly and annoying.
>>746076281>stayed quiet after everything happened because he realized it would be bad when everyone was still jumping his ass for no reason>still gets hired because he has a one-of-a-kind skillset among game devs between being able to make engines from scratch instead of using UE/Unity/Godot while also making them specifically for fighting games>Meanwhile Pat has everyone jumping him specifically because he sounds like the worst coworker of all time while also trying to get Avatar banned from events just because MikeZ is in the Avatar discordfunny how the turns table
>>746067062Arcade characters are all hysteric faggots and ugly lesbians. It's awful to look at.
>>746076281But at what cost? We mourn the corpses of Skullgirls and Diesel Legacy
>>746076491Skullgirls was never good, then it went full woke gay.
>>746076491I'm still praying that DL can come back one day, that game was too fun to leave behind.
Is Demacia taboo or something? Is it fascist? Why are Demacians not allowed to appear anywhere?
>>746076656Lux is the next character to be added along with Samira later before the game EoS's for good
>>746076656You have to wait until the Demacia season of Arcane.
>>746076737That's a lie. The game is not getting more content.
>>746058643There's some LGBT freak on roids from Twitter defending pat the faggot. Do these retards not realize this shit attitude has cost people their jobs, and possibly livelihood?
>>746076765thats how you know the marketing is terrible because people didn't realize they're still coming even though they say it outright
>>746076860Man, Lux is still as beautiful as ever. Too bad about Rion ruining LoL with its faggotry. Ugly nigger next to Lux killing the vibe too.Did you know her ult comes from Touhou?
>>746076840It's just team sports. Pat's one of those "cancel mikez, cancel infil" fags, so other fags will rush to defend him even if he's in the wrong.
>>746075070if invinicble VS is good how come no ones playing it
>>746077357Somewhat Niche IP, it uses a more real life / motion capture aesthetic compared to the anime, kind of like the power rangers fightan (very good btw). Other than that, the characters aren't very exciting despite the game being technically pretty good.
>>746077357it's too hard for normies. they were making TikToks about refunding after playing one game online and getting one-touch juggled.
>>746076028Tag fighter fatigue is real
>>746019007>2xko will be rememberedlol no
