Why is there no open world ancient rome game
Mayber there is. Have you thought about that?
Not an interesting setting. Immoral people.
Ass Creed Odyssey/thread and OP is a faggot
>>746028128Assassin's Creed Brotherhood is kind of that but set well after the proper time period I imagine you are referencing.Also Ubislop.
FUCK open world slop. Post the best Rome games in general
>>746028247This ancient rome is low morals people
>>746028252
>>746028292all two of them
>>746028128Jews hate them
>>746028247God isn't real and you are in a den of sin pretending you are better than the serpents while hissing like one.
>>746028281There is no need to imagine what time period he meant, "ancient" when speaking about historical eras means before the Middle Ages, so before the 5th century
>>746028368Your first and second statement are contradictory. Lol.
>>746028128I would play the hell out of KCD but set in good old Roman Empire.
>>746028292Expeditions RomeRome Total WarRyseThat one city builder if you're into thatuuuhhhh
>>746028252It's ancient Greece you stupid faggot
>>746028247He's not asking about games set in 4channel
>>746028128How did they reconstruct that
>>746028451Do you expect someone who plays ubishit to know the difference?
>>746028509very carefully
>>746028509They had the blueprints of the time and merely reconstructed them, plus certain dig sites to take some doubts away.
>>746028509We have a marble map of 3rd century ce romeForma urbis romae
Ryse if you want some 3rd person game
>>746028740Looking that up made me realize that the answer to anon's question is "there's an entire field of study JUST to reconstruct ancient rome"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topography_of_ancient_Rome>>746028812Based kino enjoyer
>>746028812ryse son of rome
>>746028128Too many catamites.
>>746028128In terms of drama late republican rome would be better but that wouldn't make a grand open-world. I mean most of the shit in this pic didn't even exist when Cicero was alive.
>>746028128>No games about perpetuating the sack of rome.Imagine living in a nice wattle & daub hut all your life and drinking sour milk then chuddorix and chaducca show you a woodcut of rome yelling "OKAY BOYS WHERE WE VANDALLING AT?" I'd hit the stables, hippodrome and livery yards: Everyone is going to be after luxury goods like gold and silver and roman "women" but have no way to transport them. I on the other hand will have a plethora of valuable transport and sports horses. I'll make out like a diocletian merchant.
>>746028896I know Rome was sacked a bunch of times but wasn't it mostly done by barbarians who grew up in Rome, learned Roman tactics, and used Roman equipment?
>>746028316idiot. they were zainichi greeks
>>746028863I studied my very useful history degree alongside a guy who specialized in and now makes real money entirely on victorian/london sewage & utility networks. It turns out when people have lived in one big city for a millenia or two it gets a bit complicated. He got hired by NUAR and civil engineering so the 953932939th time they find a body or dig through an unknown victorian-era tunnel he can look around and go "don't worry boys its trash no richard the III in this carpark" Pic related (he's my cousin)
>>746029013They didn't grow up in Rome, just in their own regions under Roman rule but yes
>>746028128would be cool if they made a read dead style game set in rome
>>746029289Well I'm pretty sure the dude who killed that legion at Teutoburg grew up in Rome. Mayhaps as a hostage?I could have looked it up in the time it took me to type this but I'm too lazy
>>746029337Has there EVER been a red dead style game made by any company but Rockstar? Regardless of setting
This is gonna be a comfan thread. So i'm gonna rest my small nuts here
>>746029352Arminius being one guy at a completely different period of time on the literal other side of the border in germanic reasons is a hell of a fucking jump from "All roman rackings were done by romans"
>>746029502I never said by Romans, I said by barbarians who grew up in Rome because they were used as border police and educated thuslyIt's not like they were citizens
>>746028128Be thankful they don't make this. They would make Julius Caesar black and have a bunch of self inserts that talk like modern millennials.
>>746028128Because rome and sword/sandals stuff has already been done to the point that its cliche
>>746029013The og sack of rome that traumatized romans was by actual gaelic barbarians.But yeah Niggas like Alaric were trained by romans
>>746029651That's not true at all.
>>746029852Anon there are tons of games that place on that period, its pretty much WW2 tier in terms of being overdone. I want more American revolution games or something, at least thats not overdone., Rome glazing is getting boring. Is not even the most interesting ancient society. Fuck you could take something like the Incans and get a more interesting area than yet another sword and sandals game.
>>746028509Really really autistic academics that dedicate their life to arguing about ancient pottery and roads.
>>746029617>I came, I saw, I conquered. Then I came again, and again.>The die is cast. *Rolls a literal die and rolls a 1, then rerolls it* Ahem. The die is cast.>Carthage must not be destroyed. We must learn to be better Romans and welcome them with open arms.>I was going to seize the day, but I had too much FUCKING wine.
Sword and sandals....GLADIATOOOOOR
>>746030021Almost all rome related game are strategy sims.
>>746030021People who say this have no idea about rome.
>>746030419To be fair you cam say the same thing about most societies. If you are autistic enough to know the inner intricacies of rome then you already like it and seeing the same battle for the 10th time wont bore you. Same as weebs who go "Sengoku period again? letsss gooooo"
>>746028247>Not an interesting setting16 year olds could lead armies and take over countries, rome was the closest thing to real life anime
>>746028281>assassin's creed brotherhood is kind of that but actually it's not that at allok
>>746028252Is there a reason normalfags are unable to distinguish between ancient gayreeks and romans.
>>746028247There's a pretty decent argument to be made that 100BC to 300AD Rome is the most interesting setting in history.>Not interesting, immoral peopleDo you know what interesting means?
>>746028128someone make some GTA but rome schlop to give me an impression
>>746030673American education, I literally did not learn a single thing about Rome or ancient Greece until I graduated high school.
>>746030756Yes, you did.
>>746030789We were too busy learning about the holocaust every year for half of a semester.
>>746030562The thing about Rome is that there is such a wealth of information available about it, unlike any other ancient civilisation. It's not just stories about "warlord X conquering Y and was later defeated by warlord Z".
>>746030702>100BCMake it 140BCGracchi brothers, the whole history leading to saturninus conflict etc
>>746031210never heard of any of that nerd shit lmao
>>746030673because they correctly understand what everyone means is the classical ecumen, not rome in specific
>>746031210Qrd?
>>746031542I was gonna give you a qrd but you are the rat-spamming muslim rapefugee living in Yurop so fuck off
>>746030673Because ancient gayreeks are romans.
>>746031710
>>746028509They just make shit up and you won't know the difference
>>746032143>study ancient rome for 30 years>make up some model>only way someone can disprove you is by studying ancient rome for 31 yearsIt's the perfect crime
>>746032195You now know everything you need to know regarding history and archeology, most of it's either fabricated from thin air or a second-hand account of someone who probably fabricated it out of thin air.
>>746028128Aut Caesar Aut Nihil for warband comes closeish.
>>746032428It's always funny when historians are like "our main source for this battle is some dude writing 250 years later"
>>746032428I remember going to a museum when I was a kid and saw some kind of big dinosaur and I was like "how does a skeleton stay intact for this long that they were able to recreate it perfectly?"Turns out they just have like 25% of a pelvic bone and 3 teeth and make the rest up.
>>746028446Are you talking about Ceasar III? Cause it's awesome.
>>746030673The Romans deliberately appropriated almost everything good about Greek society, so it's easy for laymen to confuse the two .>>746030756I learned plenty about them, Rome especially.>>746030856Let me guess, Florida?
>>746028368Most people don't know Neitzsche, in all his nihilism and "morals bad", died defending a horse from being beaten by a drunk man
>>746030673Because Rome is just Greece 2
>>746033938That story is most likely fake. Also Nietzsche was not a nihilist but the opposite
>>746028247>immoral peopleReminder that the Carthaginians and Jews sacrificed children.
>>746034140He was a hilist?
>>746028128Historical accuracy and real life sucks. This is why nobody likes the look of GTA6.
>>746033938>died defending a horse from being beaten by a drunk manWait what?
>>746032868That is bullshit. There were millions of dinosaurs, and even if in one location only a half of its pinky is found, after enough excavations you will have a full set, and you don't even need actual bones, fossils with bone imprints work just as well.
>>746031542Gracchus was like Zohran Mamdani for Romans
>>746034696seething archeologist
>>746034696There has not been a single 100% complete dinosaur fossil ever reconstructed, only a few have achieved 90%, in fact.
>>746028247>Immoral peopleso the fire stowing continues, you weren't there, neither was I, no one knows anything. Also hippodrome rules
>>746028358This is actually why. Dev leads and producers who didn't want to accidentally glorify Rome. Which is also why AC has an Egyptian girl boss perform the single most important assassination in Western history in a forgettable linear segment.
>>746034383And Romans who left children out in the wilds and slew prisoners of war on non Altars built in the image of Caesar didn't
>>746034746Thanks bro
>>746029013Lol, most of Roman tactics and equipment they got from other peoples they fought. Including chain mail from Celts
>>746035006>Which is also why AC has an Egyptian girl boss perform the single most important assassination in Western history in a forgettable linear segment.Who did she kill? Hitler?
>>746034880>find left pinky>right pinky is missingWe may never know how it looked, true.
>>746035156Donald Trump
>>746030954There is a serious gap about the actual plebeians. Only patricians opinions have survived for the most part.
>>746035192>evolution favors symmetrical organisms>how do we know? we assumed this guy's right pinky is the same as his left pinky and look how symmetricla he looks now
>>746035023>left children out in the wildsThat’s how you create chads raised by wolves like Romulus and Remus.>slew prisoners of war on non Altars built in the image of CaesarFirstly there’s nothing wrong with executing and enslaving your enemies when you conquer their lands.Secondly Caesar was based and deserved to be worshipped. There’s nothing wrong with ancestor and emperor worship.
>>746028247>still seething about usPost nose.
>>746035156I'd argue that was the 2nd, Ari.
Reminder that rome is an interest that mainly faggots and retards larp to seem smart. You AREN'T one of those larpers are you?
I would KILL for a Kingdom Come autism level game in Mid republic rome.
>>746035308You are beyond retarded
>>746035192You should be an archaeologist, they love speculating on shit that may or may not have existed.
>>746035445No fictional progrom this time either
>>746035240probably just not looking hard enough. we have a lot of random scribblings from egyptian workers there are probably plenty of average joe roman writings that survived
>>746028128Because the senate would kill the MC
>>746035536There are, but nothing in depth
>>746030673Because in the west they teach you about aztecs and muh apartheid as a part of history lessons (as well as the WWII founding myth), rather than European history.
>>7460282472nd temple is never coming back bro
>>746035542Senators are all snakes and bitches. All of them should be hurled off of the Tarpeian Rock.
>>746035317Caesar was the queen of Bithynia
>Praetorian game>Press X to kill Emperor.
>>746035925Why do all emperors love palace guards that slowly wrest more and more power so much?
>>746035201Nyohmyscience
>>746035240Yeah but you can still glimpses of plebian side of rome in the sources, like martial's poems. It's more than what other ancient civilizations offer.
>>746035973Every general of Rome would be told they should be emperor by their own men. March into battle, promise to raise wages, deplete the treasury and raise taxes, get killed, repeat
>>746035329What?
>>746036259I SAID I'D ARGUE THAT WAS THE 2ND, ARI!!!
>>746035973>corrupt military>corrupt eunuchs>corrupt politicians>corrupt organized religionIt’s not easy being Emperor.
Why could Rome never conquer Persia?Alexander the Great and the Mongols did it.
>>746036572They didn't want it anyway.
>>746035240Not patricians but elites. For example, Cicero wasn't a patrician but a new man(novus homo). A lot of prominent patricians stood for the plebs or at least spent life among plebs. Sulla was poor through most of his young life. He rented insulae with other plebs, partied with the dregs of society. Pulcher renounced his patrician status and began organizing plebians.
>>746036572Caesar would have done it if he lived.
>>746035973The leaders of the Roman army at almost any time in Roman history is the most powerful man in the world, usually they realize it at some point and either usurp the emperor or retire peacefully.
>>746035973It's really hard to say no to the people who hold your life in their hands.
>>746036697Didn't he mostly excel at fighting barbarians who sucked at fighting
>>746036597Just like Gaul right. Lol>>746036572Pure Aryan stock>>746036697He would've been met with an even unkinder end.
how about a game set in the cooler Rome
Because Assassin's Creed died
>>746036762The Parthians weren’t great strategists, they just had annoying mounted archers and used the desert and stretched Roman supply lines to their advantage.Romans really should have invested more into archery and cavalry on their skill trees.
>>746036980Wasn't it LITERALLY the Roman cavalry's job to run away (to draw the enemy, much better, cavalry away)?
>>746028292AC Brotherhood by far
>>746036837I always felt Constantinople in AC:Revelations was one of the more interesting settings in the series, even if it felt 80% the same as Brotherhood in most places.
>>746028509Rome is built upon like 3 layers of the old city. It is why the can never build fucking anything underground. It was common back then to just rebuild on top of rubble or old buildings.
>>746036837Why did the rest of Christianity betray them and let the Turks conquer the city?
>>746037086You mean Istanbul?
>>746028128because rome never existed it's completely fabricated and gay
>>746028128if you are going to generate AI slop why try to pass it off as a model sitting on a table?I don't get it
>>746037086It was done amazingly well. Every faggot larper said Unity was the peak of dense cities but Constantinople in revelations felt absolutely jam packed
>>746037127That's nobody's business but the Turks'!
>>746037142It didn't become Istanbul until the mid 1900s, even though one of the characters in the game mentions it lmao.
>>746037142>You mean Istanbul?It was still called Constantinople by the turks until the fall of the ottomans you faggot.
>>746037005Pretty much yeah. They just acted like bait. They didn’t have heavy weapons or armor or bows. I think they had chariots? Not sure how effective they were in most battles.
>>746037127>Italian merchants and mercenaries >Christians Pick one.
>>746036292WHO THE HELL IS ARI
>>746037256You didn't play the game
>>746037314>I think they had chariots?No, mainly a celtic thing, and even then more so a Brittonic thing. Middle Eastern kingdoms used them quite a bit though too in the ancient world, mainly though as their horse breeds were fucking shit.
>>746037184That's not AI slop but an actual model. Look up gismondi's rome. Mussolini gave the dude infinite resources to make this shit.
>>746037325Why did The Pope do nothing to help his Christian brothers? Did he not want a rival with the Byzantine Emperor and Orthodox Church?
>>746037363I did, but like in 2011 or whenever the fuck it came out. Im guessing thats a quote from it then, still makes no sense but it was ubisoft after all
>>746037464It's just one of the NPCs mentions that locals are calling it Istanbul, like >>746037208 said
>>746037439The Pope condemned it
>>746037439Because by that point the Catholic church was owned by Italian banks anyways. Protestant reformation didn't come out of thin air after all. To be fair the the Catholics though, their counter reformation was extensive, though a bit late
>>746036980>weren’t great strategistEh, they were clever enough to claim descent from Perseus
>>746037464The sidekick character says something about some people calling it IstanbulLikely one of the writers forgot to google 'when did constantinople become istanbul?'
>>746037492Ah fair enough, yeah I've not played it for well over a decade, did enjoy it though. Such an odd thing to have in the game though, very reddit historian of them
>>746028292Caesar IVQvadrigaDominaEuropa Barbarorum (Total War mod)
>>746037623>Dominalmao that game is mediocre at best and only known for the reddit drama
>>746037494>The Pope condemned it
>>746037623>Europa Barbarorum (Total War mod)I still wish there was a decent blood mod for Rome 1 or the remastered version. Swaggers blood mod does not do it for me.
>>746028292Aut Caesar Aut Nihil, warband mod
>>746034602Not quite true but he did get horsebroken so badly he fell into a mental crisis, exacerbated by some kind neurological condition or possibly syphilis, never recovered and died shortly after.
>>746032868>Turns out they just have like 25% of a pelvic bone and 3 teeth and make the rest up.and the bones they show in the museum are 100% fake. the "real" ones are all in storage.
>>746030736>vidrelated.ehhhwhat was this again?
>>746037464The origin of the name is actually kind of vague, some people claim that locals had called it istanbul (literally just means "the city") for centuries, but that's likely a misunderstanding of the context, it's more likely as if you lived just outside of New York City, and you tell your wife 'hey I'm heading into the city, do you need anything?'Then some retard took it literally and renamed the city because he was butthurt by something that happened 1500 years ago.
>>746028292Rome Total War, inaccurate as fuck but soulful
>>746028247Excellent trolling. Simple and to the point. Made me rage. Take a good look everyone, this is how you do it properly.
>>746037785nobody thought the full, bleach-white dinosaur skeletons in museums are real...
>>746037816Just some AI slop that kinda has a painting artstyle and there was lots of shitposting about how you could totally make a full game with AI
>>746037785>>746032868This is why bog bodies absolutely dominate over pathetic skelingtons.Never forget pissing myself laughing at the Dublin bog bodies, the fucking recreations of what they look like vs what you see is so fucking funny
>>746037887yet people pay $50+ to see fakeslop in a museum for some reason
>>746036671>Pulcher renounced his patrician status and began organizing plebians.It sucks that we only get to know about him from those who hate his guts. It's badass how the plebian mob takes him to the senate house, uses senate's own furniture and records as his funeral pyre, burning down the whole building.
>>746037314I've never heard of the romans having chariots for battle. This isn't what rome total war taught me
>>746037987There's a certain appeal to seeing something up close, even if it's a speculative recreation.Plus 99% of people don't know it's mostly made up, museums would go out of business if people realized how much shit in them is either fake or a copy so they don't exactly advertise that fact.
>no bronze-age open world game with ES-style lore
>>746028128Rome was never threatened, has boring geography, and was too cramped. For me, it would be an open world game set in the golden age of Constantinople, with Arab and Slavic raids to fight.>but Assassin's Cre-Does NOT count.
>>746038127Rome was threatened multiple times, they just didnt lose until they finally did repeatedly at the end of antiquity
>>746038127CK 2 and that one dlc thats in the 8th or 9th century I think?
>>746038127How many times did Rome get sacked again?
>>746035240>mfw remembering the thread about roman graffiti when I found out they would greentext and shitpost just like us
>>746038206Even then people forget how many times it was sacked or threatened in the republic era
>>746038109Very cool pic. What ip is it from?
>>746038263Those don't count because it was white people not Muslims
>>746038285Glorantha
>>746038284We don't know much about the cityscape of Byzantine Constantinople around that period, and there is no equivalent of Pompeii from which to make educated guesses. On top of that, the written sources are really sparse. We know a lot of trivia about what it was like to live in ancient Rome, but that's not the case here.
>>746038206You either have to go early in the Republic where the city of Rome wasn't yet impressive, or so late in the Empire where it was getting fucked by Germans and the buildings dismantled to build pigsties. During the era that the city of Rome gets jerked off the most it was very safe.
Any society that practiced crucifixion must've been hell on earth.
>>746038424Byzantium was a Roman city so just use Pompeii anyway, retard
>>746028128you cant make a game about white people.It would have to be set in Egypt or Constantinople.
>defeat and massacre the Romans in multiple battles including their greatest loss ever>Rome is wide open weakened and panicking >he never actually tries attacking Rome itselfWas Hannibal retarded?
>>746038535Good thing Romans weren't white. Have you seen what southern Italians look like?
>>746038573It's cause they kept raising new armies
>>746038503Yes Saudi Arabia is hell on earth
>>746034504nothing matters :(vsnothing matters! :D
>>746038591That was after centuries of being owned by the G*rms and the Fr*nch. Eutruscan stock was whiter than white.
>>746038503The Japanese used to do it too Think about that next time you see your cute anime waifus.
>>746038573>Was Hannibal retarded?No, it's just that Rome had some of the greatest walls in that period. It was the same reason Pyrrhus couldn't siege it.
>>746038573He lacked the resources to do so
>>746038591Shalom!
>>746038764>they gave the dudes little platforms to stand onaw how nice
>>746038685>Eutruscan stock was whiter than white.Yes, because the Etruscans were in Northern Italy. The Latins from Southern Italy were different.
>>746038591Southern Italy was conquered after Rome fell, no italian today has any resemblance to what the average roman looked like.You can fact-check this immediately by looking at the statues of Rome versus your average modern italian globlin.
>>746038503Crucifixion isn't even in the top 5 most gruesome execution methods
>>746038506It's not useful for the period you're talking about. Rome greatly benefits from not just pompeii but the severan marble plan, regional catalogues, and a vast trove of literary descriptions. Not to mention how constantinople is not as extensively excavated as rome. The Turkish government doesn't even make an attempt to preserve archeological sites that aren't repurposed by Islam.
>>746038591That’s only Sicilians.
>>746038779Maybe wasting a bunch of men and elephants in the Alps wasn’t such a great idea.
>>746028128The fact no one has ever made a movie or game about Hannibal is a mystery to me.The dude single handedly teared Rome a new asshole.
>>746037887>bleach-white dinosaur skeletons in museums are real...Kek, you're just parroting the movie depiction, retard.
>>746038630How did they discover the infinite spawn glitch?
>>746038842Southern Italy was held by the Byzantines up until the Norman conquests in the 1100 hundreds and afterwards it was in the custody of various European monarchs till the 1800's
>>746038503It was only reserved for slaves.
>>746038842>we wuz Romanz and shiet
>>746038891Crucifixion was recognized as the worst way to go back then, because it's also a very humiliating and protracted death. Humiliation was a big deal to the Romans. You can tell even the Romans were embarrassed about crucifying, because it's rarely mentioned. The letters of Paul especially seems to have a hard time reconciling with the fact that Jesus went out in such a humiliating manner.
>>746028128Wypipo have no culture
What did Rome think of dinosaur fossils anyway?
>>746038685>>746038838Reminder that Emperor Claudius wrote a 20 book history of the Etruscans that’s been lost forever.
>>746038338Sick. Gonna read up on it later. Thanks bro
>>746039304Most "histories" written back then were 90% bullshit 10% truth anyway.
>>746039304Damn shame. Their Chimera design was god tier. Only FF8's comes close.
>>746039050those bones aren't real though.
>>746039372EnjoyTheres also King of Dragon Pass and Sox Ages 1 & 2 which are games in the setting
>>746039413No one said they were, retard. They aren't bleach white was my point. They stylize them to appear as though they are aged fossils.
>>746039380Which ancient historian do you trust the most?
>>746039398Its just a generic dragons dogma enemy
>>746039468none
>>746028128Like AC odyssey?
>>746039468Chen Shou
>>746039304A lot of shit from back then is lost. We don't even have all books from livy and tacitus. I don't understand why it never occurred to them to invent printing press. It's such an obvious solution to the problem of "how are we going to create copies of this work to either distribute or preserve it without having to make makes a bunch of slaves sit down and copy it manually".
>>746039235Caesar was a collector of dinosaur bones or fossils. Thanks max miller
>>746039468Suetonis is fairly grounded an not overly moralistic.
>>746039438Even more to read later. Thanks
>>746039582>I don't understand why it never occurred to them to invent printing press. It's such an obvious solutionIt obviously wasnt as obvious as you think
>>746039468Tsun Zu
>>746039582No paper. They used parchment or papyrus which just break if you try to do anything but lightly scribble on it.
>>746039582Romans didn’t have paper. They had papyrus which couldn’t be used the same way.
>>746038573>Rome is wide open
>>746035729Americans don't even know the difference between Aztecs, Mayans and Incas. I remember the other day watching a clip of a large polical streamer talking about some retarded Peruvian Nepobaby and going on a We Wuz Conquistador and shit rant and how we saved his parents from Aztec Human Sacrifices when the Aztecs werent in Peru but in Mexico. Americans are incredibly ignorant of their backyard. You think they know the difference between Classical Greece and Ancient Rome? And when you tried to correct them they get mad and say that don't matter.
>>746038573Taking cities pre-Gunpowder was kind of a huge problem. Entire armies would siege Constantinople century after century and just go home because there was no way to win a siege.This is why the Huns were such a problem, by the way. They were taking major cities, and they were taking them FAST, and to this day nobody knows why.
>>746039687Imperial rome maintained massive libraries and the imperial bureaucracy had to make multiple copies of various documents. That's the incentive. They knew how to impress pre-arranged letters on lead pipes or pottery or bricks as a way to label way. All they had to was apply that logic to impress letter on papyrus.
>>746039942>know the difference between Aztecs, Mayans and IncasLiterally nobody does
>>746039582The printing press required hundreds of years more of engineering and manufacturing knowledge, not to mention making paper is actually fucking insanely hard.
>>746040014>This is why the Huns were such a problem, by the way. They were taking major cities, and they were taking them FAST, and to this day nobody knows why.Goth collaborators?
>>746040031I never understood how the Inca get lumped in with the mesoamericans. That's like, I can't tell the difference between Iran, Iraq and Myanamar.
>>746040061How did we and the chinese did it then?
>>746039942Actually Americans do learn a bit about ancient Greece because they see themselves as the political successor to the Greek city states
>>746040184That fits. The Greeks were extremely corrupt too.
>>746040150Weren't the Incas and incredibly big empire that reached even southern Mexico?The ebin Aztecs were already dead when the conquistadors arrived at their shit land.
>>746040061Watch me wipe my ass using paper
>>746040150Really?>some kinda brown people that had an empire and got raped by firearmsI have to look up which is which every timeThe only reason people know that injuns are different is because of the Old West expansion and Western movies, otherwise we wouldn't know they are different eithert. Yuropean
>>746039737>>746039804Papyrus can survive woodblock printing
>>746040246The Maya were, but the Aztec fought back and got done in by a coalition of their pised-off neighbors.Fun fact - All the gold looted by the Conquistadors were lost during their retreat from modern day Mexico and are presumably there to this day, probably buried right under the city.
>>746039468Pliny the elder.
>>746040295BASEDASED
>>746040172mass, society-wide industrializationMany people argue Rome was VERY close to an industrial revolution themselves
>>746040379>During the tide, the waters of Britain raise 120 ft.
>>746040393I read once that Rome didn't industrialize because slave labor is economically inefficient, and I will repeat that factoid without checking it
>>746040031>AztecsBuilt pyramids. Sacrificed people to their sun god everyday because they worried the sun wouldn’t rise if they stopped. Used clubs with obsidian blades to cripple and capture more people to be sacrificed.>IncansMountains. Roads. Built Machu Pichu.>MayansUhhh they had a calendar and astronomy I guess.
>>746037127Well, I mean, they were cunts to catholics first. In the last 50 years they capitulated and seeked reapprochment with the west but it was too late.
>>746040393>Many people argue Rome was VERY close to an industrial revolution themselvesWhat happened?! Who stopped them?
>>746030673tbf greeks couldn't differentiate themselves from romans either until like the 1800s. They didn't call themselves greeks or hellenes, they called themselves romaioi
>>746040469Romans
>>746040469me, to make history more interesting
>>746040393Nah, industrial revolution wasn't possible in the economy of ancient rome.
>>746040434Explained by climate change.
>>746040469Wypipo weren't genuinely too fucking stupid pre-renaissance.
>>746040450>Sacrificed people to their sun god everydaythose were the inca you retard
>>746040525>post-industrial Rome is less interesting than germanic/anglo industrializationSo it's YOUR fault the world is so gay and stupid
>>746040393They didn't have the metallurgy for boiler systems which require high pressures and temperatures.
>>746040469The (((Christians))).
>>746028128Too much gay sex.
>>746040379That drunk retard? Guess again
>>746040379This dude has done more damage regarding historical fact than probably any single human being who's ever lived lmao
>>746040576So the Aztecs didn’t build skull walls?
And what of good Solonius?
>>746040703Encyclopedias used to be my jam before the internet was invented. I used to browse them and learn all sorts of stuff.
>>746040450Okay to be clear, everyone should know that it wasn't the Incans who sacrificed people and shit. What I'm saying is that people don't know where and how far each of those empires extended, that's what I meant when I said I had to look it up every time. So I can definitely understand if a Peruvian dude thinks he's descended from Aztecs
>>746040730Amontillado!
>greatest empire in history>zero good non strategy games
>>746040703What did he do? Seemed like a good chap dying trying to save people in Pompeii.
>>746040768This.Now we don't learn shit, if you want to learn something first you must think of it so you can google it.Encyclopedias taught you shit you never thought you would be interested in.This is why society sucks
>>746030673Anglosphere Education wrt antiquity is very bad. Almost everything I knew about Ancient Greece and Rome in high school came from my own interest in it, I was only really taught about that period as one very jumbled-up chapter in my eleventh grade Social Studies textbook
>>746040772To use my injuns example again, people have heard of the Comance and the Apache and know they are different confederations, but do you think the average person knows where their fucking territory was?
only more cursed video games setting than Rome is Pirates
>>746040840Every nation should make a game about their nation's entire history, from the stone age to modern day.
>>746040772The Incans did definitely sacrifice people, but not on aztec scale and spectacularity
>>746040031Aztecs are the ones who did mass Human Sacrifices and built skull pillars. They called themselves Mexica. They were surrounded by tribes who hated them which made Spanish conquest easy even though they were incredibly advanced. You probably know about them the most for a good reason as Mexicans today LARP as Aztecs. Their capital was in modern day Mexico City. Mayans are the ones who have Pyramids in the Jungle and people acted like they predicted the end of the world cause they did maths and shit. By the time the Spanish came the natives moved out of the big cities for some reason and their culture regressed tremendously. The Language and some of their oral traditions were preserved but their actual civilization did not. They didn't have a capital because they were more like Ancient Greek city states. The Ancient Athens of them is Tikal which is in modern day Guatemala but you can find Mayan ruins in Mexico as well in Cancun and Yucatan.Incas are the ones who had an Empire High in the Mountains down in South America and where half of tbe Ancient Alien conspiracies come from. Also a very advanced civilization with roads and shit. When the Spanish came they were in a post civil war situation which made the Spanish conquest extraordinary easy even more so than the Aztecs. We are talking that they were given safe passage to the capital which was in Cusco, Peru.
>>746040840Greatest according to Europeans anyway
>>746040993>they were incredibly advancedLol
>Gracchus has presented to a cornet player----or perhaps it was a player on the straight horn----a dowry of four hundred thousand sesterces. The contract has been signed; the benedictions have been pronounced; the banqueters are seated, the new made bride is reclining on the bosom of her husband. O ye nobles of Rome! is it a soothsayer that we need, or a Censor? Would you be more aghast, would you deem it a greater portent, if a woman gave birth to a calf, or an ox to a lamb? The man who is now arraying himself in the flounces and train and veil of a bride once carried the quivering shields of Mars by the sacred thongs and sweated under the sacred burden!>O Father of our city, whence came such wickedness among thy Latin shepherds? How did such a lust possess thy grandchildren, O Gradivus? Behold! Here you have a man of high birth and wealth being handed over in marriage to a man, and yet neither shakest thy helmet, nor smitest the earth with thy spear, nor yet protestest to thy Father? Away with thee then; begone from that broad Martial Plain which thou hast forgotten!Why were romans zesty?
>>746040849Around Oklahoma? New Mexico?
>>746040843He made up almost everything he ever wrote down
>>746041030They must have done great things with all those lands they conquered
>>746038842>modern italian globlin>still in the top 10 nations for athleticsLet's see jews and saars now
>>746040501>They didn't call themselves greeks or hellenes, they called themselves romaioiThis only really started in late antiquity, there was definitely a Greek "identity" as opposed to a Roman one both before and after the Roman conquest of Greece and many Romans were highly conscious of "Greek" customs and virtues as opposed to Roman ones. The more "conservative" Romans actively opposed the rising popularity of Greek thought and customs among the Roman upper class, many of them thought it was faggot shit that would erode the character of Rome.
>>746041086>Why were romans zestyLike most things, they would take from another and make it their own. Gayness being from Gayreeks
>>746040993Pizarro literally tricked the Incan emperor into meeting with him, then slaughtered his guards and took him hostage with just 200 soldiers.
>>746041030I said greatest, not largest
>>746041237Proof?
>>746041360Greeks hated homos as did the romans.Calling someone a fag was an insult.https://youtu.be/BNAT4ybsz_E?is=WzxM-7Frz8alSVtZ
>>746041030very great empire>implodes in less than a generation
>>746041364The emperor said "if I give you all my gold, will you let me go?" and Pizza-zoro said "yes" and once he had the gold, he fucking strangled the emperor to death. Absolutely revolting behavior.
>>746041047Aztecs had sewers. They were literally more advanced than Indians.
>>746041438Fucking a gay in the ass wasn't considered gay
>>746041528Indus valley had sewers too
>>746041528You heard it here first, folks. Mongols didn't have sewers so they were less advanced than Aztecs
>>746041489You snooze you lose.
>>746041429exactly
>>746041438I don't care. Persia should've won against the brown greeks.
>>746040184They don't learn shit about Greece other than Athens was a Pure Democracy. They have no idea how varied and diverse the forms of government were in Greek City States. Every city had a different culture. One city might have a favorable view of fucking young boys while another might execute you for doing so. Another might relegate women to the house while others might have them be the largest landowners in the Polis.Our system of government has nothing to do with Athens btw other than as a warning cause they knew Athens ended up in shit because of it. They based their government on Rome with its Senate being based in the Roman Senate and the House being based on the Tribunes of the Plebs. The Executive was based on the Imperial Office. Term limits were added in as way to reduce the chance of an autocrat rising up and concentrating power and the separation of powers being taught as a well for people to compete and keep each other in check lol. The framers didn't think political parties were going to be formed and that the politicians would compete based on parties.
>>746035973Because ruling class is always hereditary, and while everyone can get behind a good emperor, chances are that his son is going to be a brat detatched from reality because he has grown up wealthy and the men serving him go "this is bullshit, everyone knows that anyone but him should be emperor, so why not me?"
>>746041528And Tenochitlan was larger than London at the timeAnd was built on a fucking lake which fucks over Mexico City to this day
>>746041591Why did they regress so much?
>>746041687For fun
>>746028128ONE GAMEI DON'T KNOW WHYI BOUGHT AN HIPPODROME WITH ONLY ONE GAME TO BUYKEEP IN MIND A COLLOSEUM CAN EVEN HAVE NAVAL BATTLESTHAT'S ALL I KNOW
>>746041603The last Incan emperor was smart. He just ducked out into the jungle and waited until all the conquistadors had murdered each other in their greed.
Which period of Rome should the game be about?
>>746041616The Greeks couldn't do shit to the Persians until Phillip II came along and made them
>>746041758Ancient Rome.
>>746041663Building your capital over a mosquito filled swamp seems retarded.
>>746041687Aryans happened
>>746041819I hope that's a swipe at Washington DC cause it made me chuckle
>>746041819almost the entire continent is a mosquito filled swamp
>>7460417583rd century crisis seems like the most action-packed period which has a happy ending. Palmyra could be a good mid-game boss.
>>746041758100-40BC
>>746040908At least there's black flag
>>746041047For their area they were. We are talking stone buildings, sanitation, markets, etc. Obviously Europeans and Asians were more advanced but in their side of the world they were very advanced. In fact Aztecs took daily baths with soap and water. The Spanish thought taking baths opened yourself to illnesses.
>>746040393Romans were violent niggers, they would have never industrialized. Imagine them stabbing people in the parliament, that's banana republic-tier, but for them it was Tuesday.
>>746028247jew kike die
>>746042190That only happened one time tho. Caesar was too ambitious.
>>746028247There were no moral people at the time. It truly was a might makes right world. Arguably it still is and we have just been coddled for too long to realize it fully.
>>746042190>Guy Fawkes
>>746030609They were all in the same anime class with Aristotle as their teacher and one of them became a Pharaoh.
>>746041819That's what Rome was too though
Tell Notch to get off his fat ass and fund it
>>746042190>meanwhile in America
>>746028128Rome wasn't built in a day and so would a vidjea based on this premise
>>746041758I know it's kind of cliche but Caesar vs Pompey is super interesting, I would kill to play a hitman game where you're a spy/assassin tasked with infiltrating and weakening Pompey's grip on the city, then maybe the second half of the game is you protecting Caesar from assassins.
>>746041819Oh and the Meshika had no chance, it was one of the last spots available
>>746042532I forgot was the guy with the club for or against slavery
>>746042610For slavery. All of the Southerners cheered him on.
>>746042532versus club's what?
>>746041758punic wars
>>746042505They had some nice hills.
>>746032623Even better when said dude isn't a historian but a fantasy writer, like the bloke who wrote about Mansa Musa.
>>746032623>>746042934If you can't overcome that hurdle then you are not allowed to speak of history.
>>746032623To be fair some historians did have access to imperial archives with secret information.
>>746036762Barbarains were the ones he fought with the most, but I don't recall him being bad at fighting anyone. And saying they were bad isn't fair. They weren't as tactically sound, and not nearly as strategically organized as Rome, but there were still a lot of them, and they were tough. Caesar seems to have just been good at fighting. Guy seems to have generally been a genius and would likely have adapted to any enemy he could've faced at the time. Of course, he was also known to have been lucky, so it's not like was invincible or anything
>>746036572because for that tech level you NEED to be Alexander the Great or the mongols to achieve such a thing
>>746028292PraetoriansCaesar III
>>746043389qrd on the remaster?https://store.steampowered.com/app/1100420/Praetorians__HD_Remaster/
>>746036980That's what auxiliaries were for, which were usually half of a Roman force, far as I understand
>>746028292
>>746043429it's aight, nothing gamebreaking and doesn't look too weird compared to the original, which is still playable
>>746042934Qrd?
>>746038573I think the main explanations are that>besieging Rome was seen as a bad cost to benefit endeavor>besieging Rome meant being stuck there>he thought Rome would sue for peace, but didn't expect the Romans to be so autistic about not surrendering even when they were seemingly utterly defeated
>>746030673there was one chapter in our text that touched on it very briefly and only in relation to its influence on present civilization.
>>746043085While they did not follow proper standards when writing history, it's not as if they could get away with anything they wrote. Herodotus was mocked by every subsequent historian for shoehorning unverified fantastical stories. While historians could speculate about speeches and the specifics of battles, they were scrutinised for other details. For example, you can see Polybius criticising Fabius Pictor, the father of Roman historiography, for conflating real causes with beginnings/pretext. We also need to keep in mind that during the imperial period historical writing was heavily censored and served propaganda purposes. For example, Rabienus' books were condemned and burned for being critical of Augustus. Tacitus could only take a critical stance towards the Julio-Claudian dynasty because he was removed from those events.
>>746043574>kino combat>kino stealthwe lost the technology
>>746043714The most prominent and used source was a writer specializing in fantasy history. What he wrote about Musa contained some truths but they were heavily exaggerated to be more enjoyable to the readers. Ideologues however took him seriously because it suited their agenda. This video goes more in depth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nzafFycvJcWait until you learn about Leopold I of Congo, the fabrication there are a lot more crazy and ugly.
>>746044341What is this alt-history crap you're peddling? Fuck off back to facebook.
>>746039050Shut up, mexican.
>>746044606>alt historyyes, the original story of Mansa Musa is very much alt history
>>746028247Found Arminius.
>>746041758The shenanigans of clodius pulcher
>>746040469The industrial revolution was more of a military strategy imposed on the nations than a natural social phenomenon.Rome was either too bogged down in conflict to be able to organize such project, or stable enough that the elites felt no need to do it.
>>746044341So you're a dummy, got it. Not watching 4chan historians
>>746028247Don't know what morality has anything to do with it but yeah I also do not find ancient Rome very interesting.
There should be more games in antiquity period, stuff like Xenophon and the Ten Thousand would be a great tactics game or even SRPG. At least you could do that one mission in Age of Empires.
>>746046130Oh shit you're right, should have trusted proved scholars such as Jason Arday.
>>746038817no? open your eyes, blind faggot
>>746028292Expeditions: Rome
>>746046315>Xenophon and the Ten Thousand would be a great tactics game or even SRPGEven a beat-em-up!
>average Serious Sam 4 map
>>746028128expeditions rome exists>ctrl f expeditions>0 resultsbuncha tasteless barbarians here, for shame.
>>746046824>women charactersCringe and gay
>>746036762I’ll admit most of my Roman knowledge comes from tv shows, but didn’t Caesar beat Pompey in a civil war, as in Roman soldiers against other Roman soldiers? I don’t know who had more power during the struggle but it surely that shows he was capable against experienced soldiers as well.
>>746047043>female legionaries
>>746030673Normalfags nowadays only get taught the topics that allow them to opress and guilt-trip Whites: Columbus, Colonization and the Holocaust.
>>746047043>he can't search>>746028446>>746046824
>>746047043They had trans niggers too? Worse than I remember
>>746028128jews dont want it
>>746047087>I don’t know who had more power during the strugglePompey, who had the rich lands of the east. Gaul was just conquered and a complete shithole, Hispania was kind of a shithole, Rome was the only developed rich part that Caesar had
>>746041819They were forced there.
>>746040730And what of bad Solonius?
>>746040434>>746040668>>746040703He told nothing but truths.
>>746047295>Rome was the only developed rich part that Caesar hadAlso the most expensive by far, but the Plebians adored him anyways
>>746046661Kek dude. Touché
>>746040703No he fucking hasn't. People since the renaissance even knew he was a product of his time, he's entertaining and there is actually a merit in his wrong beliefs, as well as wonder. Jared Diamond could take the contender of most damaging historian before Pliny ever could.
>>746047780What about you?
>>746047725Hahqhhqqhqhagagaha
>>746047937nobody knows who the fuck your gay pornstar-named oshi is
>>746028247Jokes on you, the biggest video game launch ever is about to happen in its localed in fucking Florida.
>>746047951Nothing but lies, with truths within.
I do remember an attempt at an MMO was made years ago, probably long buried by the devs by now.>>746041758Any period of upheaval. A Legionary's Life starting as a Hastati and ending credits as a Triarii is an achievement.The sequel not so much. At least Ceasar actually repays your debts in that game though
>>746048020No, you don't because you're a fucking larper who believes anyone pre-1880 was a fucking retard because your favourite reddit historian said so.
>>746047892His whole case is such a shitstorm, especially now that he offed himself
>>746044606>What is this alt-history crap you're peddling? Fuck off back to facebook.Le Musa was richest man of all time wasn't he fellow redditors!!!
>mass immigration is what destroyed the roman empire, arguably the biggest, longest and strongest empire that ever existed>....>lets do it again but with our current western world insteadhow the fuck did this happen?
>>746048307Happens constantly. It's why I'm not pissed off at jeets and pakis flooding into the UK, I'm more so pissed at the natives letting it happen.
>>746048307It's the same as how leftists say that fake borders destroyed Africa by putting different groups like the Hutus and Tutsis in one nation... yeah let's put those two and a million other groups in OUR nations instead!
>>746032623Those historians were using sources written at the time that are now lost, though
>>746048435>. yeah let's put those two and a million other groups in OUR nations instead!It is hilarious what happens in the NHS in the UK with borderline segregation having to be imposed among the staff. Nurses from different tribes literally trying to curse eachother and shit.
>>746028252Nope.Origins has a short section in Rome though.
>>746041360>Gayness being from GayreeksIf you were gay and/or a pederast, you were absolutely despised by 99% of your fellow people. The view that being Gay was normal in antiquity is a load of bullshit written in the last 50 years to normalise their degeneracy now
>>746048435Leftist don't have a problem of being full on blood and soil nationalists... for everyone else but "white" nations.
>>746028128Too many gay sex
>>746038573no siege equipment, no supply lines, scipio africanus was in spain capturing his supply bases and killing all his reinforcementsthen scipio went to carthage itself and the carthaginian senate panicked and begged hannibal to come back to save them where he was promptly defeated
>>746038764>>746038817Apparently the Japanese version wasn't quite as bad as the western version.They didn't nail you to the cross because iron was incredibly valuable. They just tied you to it with ropes.And then they stabbed you so you'd bleed out instead of slowly dying of exposure.
>>746048307Guess who has the biggest grudge against the roman empire for conquering them and destroying their precious solomon temple? Guess who swore to erase all existence of the roman empire's descenders. Guess who is behind the globalization and mass immigration policies towards western countries since the last century?
>>746049380the french?
>>746048307lol, that is not what destroyed the roman empirethe roman empire fell because it was stretched too thinit's always the way with empires, they conquer and conquer until they get too big to hold together anymore and fracture into separate countries again
>>746030673Yes.https://www.hilarylayne.com/p/very-carefully-educated-to-be-idiots
>>746048307>mass immigration is what destroyed the roman empirethat's as fucking retarded like saying "guns kill people". "mass immigration" is 1 factor. they expanded citizenship status and wrecked the tax base, got boxed in by parthians and the germanics and slowly boiled from the inside from normalization of political violence and economic issues they couldn't fix because they couldn't expand.
>>746049683>>746049770>immigration didnt kill the roman empiremind posting your nose first before I argue with you any further?
>>746048249Yeah for sure. I'm waiting until people find out more regarding tf he was on about
>>746036828>Pure Aryan stockno such thing
>>746028247True that’s why open world games like GTA should reflect modern Judeo-Christian values.
>>746047087>but didn’t Caesar beat Pompey in a civil war, as in Roman soldiers against other Roman soldiers?Pompey soundly thrashed Caesar and sent him running after their first encounter. The victory was so complete that Pompey didn't feel the need to finish off his enemy then and there. Overconfidence in B.C.
>>746049910>"didn't kill"yes, it didn't kill, good job realizing that you dumb fucking nigger.
When's the new oversimplified video coming out bros... it's been over a year now
>>746028247Look at this semite rat
>>746050054>still hasnt posted their nose
>>746030736>videoI am not sure why faggots were clamoring for this. It's literally Skyrim with a pixel filter.
>>746050103Even the hourly AI slop videos are better than those.
>>746050103Once you buy some more reddit gold.
Jewish led mystery cults were what led to the end. Especially the one that was way into tranny shit. Really makes you wonder
>>746028292Rome total war 2 with divide et impera mod is the objectively correct answer
>>746050443>2lmao ok zoomie
>>746036762>>746047087Romans in generals were mediocre tacticians and strategists, and relied on outnumbering their enemies. I think it was the 1st punic war where they lost to carthage (tho at the time rome was also kinda small), and the 2nd punic war they famously got clowned on. They also got clowned on by horse archer chads from persia and got too scared to attempt invading them again after 200AD.
>>746050202i'll post my cock for you like you want right after you substantiate your retarded non argument. any second now.
He continues to reply to himself since nobody took his shitty bait. History is codified by academics, not alt-historian grifters.
>>746050674>i'll post my cock for you likei dont want to see your uncut penis you jew
>>746050603ok shlomo
>>7460506031st Punic war Rome won you idiot
>>746037127Constantinople betrayed them first.Everyone talks about how crusaders sacked the city, but nobody mentions how those crusaders were veterans that were basically left to die by the Byzantines in the previous crusade. They came because Constantinople called for help, then got fuck all in terms of assistance or supplies while Saladin crushed them.Rome and Constantinople had a very bitter rivalry under the surface for the longest time.
>>746050948>uncut>jewhuh
>>746049910The Romans invaded other countries full of foreigners and turned them into vassal states. The foreigners weren't immigrating into the Roman Empire. Rome came to them.If you're saying that the empire fell because of rebellions and shit from pissed off conquered people, then that's what I was saying. Rome got too big to keep all the rebellions down.That's not immigration.
>>746050603>Romans in generals were mediocre tacticians and strategists, and relied on outnumbering their enemiesthis is simply untrue and the roman maniple system and the later cohort system were top of the line strategic instrumentshannibal was also badly outsmarted by a roman general in his own country
>>746037127The Turks conquered the city because the Byzantines were cheapskates who couldn’t pay their chief artillery engineer a fair wage so he went to build cannons for the Turks because they agreed to actually pay him.I’m not exaggerating this is literally what happened.
>>746050298>>746050320Oversimplified is kino. They won a webby and thus were forced to show their faces
>>746051316It's just obnoxious sounds and reddit faces. It's no better than annoying orange.
>>746051382I like em'. Tho the humor didn't land much in their latest vids
>>746051273>maniple cohortpretty sure this is all based on 500 year old greco doctrines and either way, its more for assembling the battle lines from what i recall, not really what i'd call battle tactics, when it all ends up in a big fucking blob that just pushes itself around depending on random factors.
>>746050495rtw1 diplomacy is fundamentally broken and nothing you do on the campaign map makes any sense or matters at all. it was a great game but there's little reason to play it now outside of nostalgia. you probably played rome 2 for 20 minutes 10 years ago and have no idea what the divide et impera mod is
>>746051945Diplomacy in tw games were always broken until like 3k. The ai just doesn't give a shit about anything when it comes to pacts and all that. Maybe it's fixed in twwh3, idk, haven't kept up with that game but it was servicable in twwh2
This was a comfy bread. Thanks brow. Now i'll drift off to sleep since 1hr past my bedtime and i'm seeing this thread reaching its bumplimit
>>746052046I haven't played anything past attila and I don't play non-historical tw so I can't speak to that, but the diplomacy was vastly improved between Rome 1 and modern Rome 2, even if its still a very far cry from real grand strategy games. though now that I think of it attila is probably the best vanilla tw experience I've had, especially playing as the western romans
>>746032428You can say that about every field of science ever, it’s why people “trust the experts”.
>>746052436Iirc diplomacy for the most part were crapshoots in those games. No one honors anything. Confeds never happen, neutral treaty never got honored and goodluck if you're gonna make a vassal not just breaking it off some turn later3k diplo though is really good
>>746028128Rome is copyrighted
>>746051316>They won a webbyGayest thing I've read.
>>746028247>ancient rome>Not an interesting settingit's hilarious that you followed that up with>Immoral peopleas if that isn't a cornerstone of good storytelling and settings
>>746028128I've been waiting for a first person RPG set in Greece or Rome for years and the closest we got was some AssCreed Ubislop title. >>746028247Pearl-clutching faggot
>>746035023>And Romans who left children out in the wilds and slew prisoners of war on non Altars built in the image of Caesar didn'tRomans are gone, but Jews are still sacrificing children.
>>746034383TECHNICALLY so did Romans. But they managed to pretend that it's totally not human sacrifice. However they also fooled nobody but themselves.When they had a triumph for a general, then part of the procession would be all the big important prisoners of war from his campaigns. Then when the procession concluded at the temple of Jupiter they'd be ritually strangled. This would sometimes include the children of the ruling family.Now officially at no point was it a human sacrifice... but the fact that it was part of big public celebrations, that it was in front of the largest, most important temple of the Roman Empire and that the process was highly ritualized pretty much clearly made it a human sacrifice. You could as part of the damned MAYBE hope that the general see it a good PR move to pardon some of your (in particular the children) but you couldn't bet on that.It's generally why most nobles when they lost a battle against the Romans committed suicide (and killed their own whole family with it) rather than be taken prisoner. Vercingetorix KNEW what would happen to him once he surrendered to Caesar... only that because of the whole Civil War thing he sat inside the dungeon for over a decade before finally being executed.
>>746053254ok shlomo
>>746031486>because they correctly understand what everyone meanswhat do you mean "everyone means"it's OP asking the question, not a thinktankthis is a singular person asking about roman culture, and a specific time period where it's relevanthe is quite literally asking for specificsthis is like you talking about mexico when someone asks about the history of america, of course there are some shared histories and heritages, but it's specific, the hell is wrong with you
>>746051275The engineer was a (((Hungarian))).
>>746028128It would be blackwashed. Stay away from muh ancient settings.
>>746048307Roman elites relied on those migrants to run their vineyard after all and their armies
>>746054156This forced actual Romans into commieblocks in the cities
>>746053098Rome switched to a religious victory
>>746038573It would literally be easier to do another Cannae than siege Rome.He would have to abandon his allies, go through a predictable path, get holed up in the same place for months at the very least leaving Roman armies with the initiative, somehow block Rome's supply line through the river and fend off sorties on a barren land stripped of everything usable, all the while trying to take the city while outnumbered.
>>746049363Anon, crucifiction is a highly elaborate hanging that, unlike hanging, wants to suffocate you and prolong the suffering for as long as possible.Nails or ropes, once you're splayed out you can only bearthe by exerting yourself. When you loosen your muscles, your lungs don't work properly.So it's just a long, painful and ultimately pointless struggle between your breathing reflexes and the stamina of your muscles.
>>746050948>uncut penis you jewnice faux pas, rabbi
>>746040993>easy conquestsPlague wiping out like 80% of the population can't be understated. I imagine the Spanish would have been beaten back if it didn't ravage the new world.
>>746028247kill all christcucks
>>746050603Lets talk without knowing shit.
>>746054657>without knowing shit.- Teutoburg forest, around 5 legions slaughtered by guerilla warfare- Cannae, around 20 legions slaughtered by a numerically inferior force- Carrhae, around 5 legions slaughtered by feigned retreats (tactic literally as old as time)
>>746048435Look, we first worlders were supposed to be better than primitives with tribalistic monkey brains. We just overestimated our collective mental superiority and learned the hard way that our brains aren't actually wired much differently at all.
>>746054897>>I think it was the 1st punic war where they lost to carthage>>I think it was the 1st punic war where they lost to carthage>>I think it was the 1st punic war where they lost to carthage>>I think it was the 1st punic war where they lost to carthage>>I think it was the 1st punic war where they lost to carthage
>>746054978>no argumentThanks for conceding.
>>746054607>reunites your empireApologize
>>746055023he is right ur fucking retarded and you don't know even the most basic shit about rome
>>746054897>tactic literally as old as timeoh yeah? soldiers were feigning retreat 14 billion years ago before stars were even formed? I find that difficult to believe and your credibility is now in question
>>746054897Your numbers are off.
>>746055468Fuking lmao dude
>>746055170Didn't his one general do that, with absolutely no input from the emperor
>>746054978>>746055468>>746055536Those are facts. Teutoburg. Carrhae. Cannae. Most famous Roman Empire battles were battles where they got humiliated by a tactical genius.
>>746055694You're thinking of Octavian and Agrippa lol
The most fascinating thing about the Punic Wars is that when you realize the Punic nobility was Jewish, and explicitly Moloch worshippers, everything starts to make more sense. For example>In its aftermath Carthage attempted to avoid paying in full the foreign troops who had fought its war. Eventually they rebelled and were joined by many disgruntled local groups. They were put down with great difficulty and considerable savagery.
>>746055872Akchually I'm thinking of Justinian I and Belisarius
>>746055775They were famous precisely because they were aberrations. There's not as much interest in the other 9000 times the romans just curbstomped everybody
>>746055775Arminius got crushed by Rome and his own brother later on.Hannibal got humiliated in Zama and became a comic relief character after that, Carthage lost all 3 wars and was destroyed.Parthia had its capital sacked multiple times by Rome while they never were even close to it.Learn history instead of asking grok for pointers.
>>746056043Yea there's no much interest because you can't possibly make a curbstomping of small local italian or greek powers seem heroic and epic, and Roman military history is 99% about curbstomping local rice farmers after they don't pay tax. But come any actual military power that can fight back, Rome gets destroyed on the battlefield until they just feed enough rice farmers into the meat grinder to have exhausted the enemy's economy and they win. This is the pattern that defines Rome.
>>746056275>this defeat doesn't count because we won later
>>746056331>local rice farmers
>>746056331>>746056336Alesia is more famous than all but Cannae and Caesar was greatly outnumbered, but of course your faggot jew will claim it doesn’t count.
>>746055982Octavian always got "sick" before any battle lol
>>746056275>Arminius got crushed by Rome and his own brother later on.Rome never expanded past danube.>Hannibal got humiliated in ZamaLol, lmao.>Parthia had its capital sacked multiple times by RomeRome never expanded into Persia proper.
https://youtu.be/3kQRKhvxh34?is=cuI5mjUasvFvbgkZBecause fucking Jews.
>>746056703>Rome never expanded into Persia proper.Bruh
This kills the romeboo.
>>746056703Ok retard, thanks for proving you literally don’t know shit about the subject in hand.
>>746028128Did you know that the the Pharaoh is more of a office position (it is the office itself that the Divine, and the person has to fit into it)Therefore.you have plenty of Roman Emperors being designated as Pharaoh without ever being aware it or set foot in Egypt. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R_LczPyc1M
>>746056703>FROM THE NORTH SEA, TO THE PERSIAN GULF IT STRETCHED
>>746056859Where do you think Persia is?
>>746056996Man, that is a sexy empire.
>>746057129nice and round, they knew how to do borders
>>746056435I've never watched this movie what is this image trying to convey?
Why doesnt italy just become a world power again?
>>746056331Can't believe anyone would believe this about the largest and most successful civilization probably ever to exist, but here we are. The discipline and incredible effectiveness of roman legionnaires along with their engineering skill and amazing logistical skills were all just bullshit and they actually won by throwing auxiliaries into the grinder. Faggot
>>746056975>>746056994>never actually expanded into persia>"B-B-B-B-BBUT T-T-T-TTROONJAN'S BORDERS..."KWAB>>746057208>super duper effective, masters of tactics and battlefield disciplin-ACK*gets mulched in a double envelopment*
>>746057327>trajan conquers mesopotamia and captures the parthian capital >“DOESN’T COUNT CAUSE I’M A FROGPOSTING RETARD!”Ok
>>746057197They got browned after they adopted christcuckery and no longer have the IQ for it
>>746057563>it counts because .... ummm .... ok?very interesting, i guess justinian restored all of western rome then
>>746057673shalom
>>746057913So, any argument for why taking a good chunk of territory from your enemy including its capital doesn’t count as expansion, or greentexting dumb shit is all you brownoids can do to cope?
>>746054535Yep. It's crazy to think about huh?
Seems like the thread reached bump limit. Good bread. See you guys next time
>>746043574>Lost Shadow of Rome 2 but gained Dead RisingFuck, there is a world where we got both, capcom could at least release 1 in hd or something, or revive it like okami
>>746058163>trajan's borders>expansionyou can't be this retarded
>>746044606>>746043714The primary source for Mansa Musa having so much gold that the economy crashed also has stuff like "there is a magical rock that cures all diseases if you just look at it".
>>746059246and?
>>746050272Some people understand composition, some robots do too, but you don't.
>>746059246provide a primary source that says he wasn't rich
>>746050603That's nonsense. Romans sometimes just got too arrogant to fight properly, but overall were absolute geniuses in engineering and warfare.
>>746038591>physical description of roman emperors dot jaypeggOh wait, I actually have it.
>>746041030>empty steppes, chinese that just fell over and a bunch of dead muslims It wasn't all bad, but also nothing that special.
>>746047087He had some crazy victories in that civil war. Pretty sure Caesar had access to the developer console.
>>746059546>got too arrogant to fight properlythat's a given for anyone who was born and educated in the ancient world and in a powerful empire where your status was just a bunch of made up shit and not actually merit based. hannibal would have been faced with just as much bullshit. scipio was rome's greatest general and mainly for defeating hannibal.
>>746048307Looking forward to another 5 centuries of darkness?
>>746057197Changes in the genetic composition of their population.
>>746028292Swords and Sandals 1: GladiatorSwords and Sandals II: Emperor's ReignSwords and Sandals III: Gladiae UltratusSword and Sandals IV: Tavern QuestsSwords and Sandals V: Grail of Antares
