anyone played this? is it actually bad
>>746029930Yes I tried itYes it was very meh
Not great. Sophie is interesting to play as and there's some good dialogue and mid-stage lines between Ryu and William.
why can't there be a musou that blends the strategy of the earlier games with the awesome fun movesets of the more modern games
>>746028973This is how quick you can beat Yiling(Shu) on enemy side, by killing all enemy officers.Wonder if they are going to fix this map in the remaster.It's straight broken in Very Hard, even if to be fair it wasn't designed around it(DW3 base has no Very Hard difficulty)
>>746030464Isn't that origins
>>746030464ain't that basically the empire version?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEAwhasKpNQ
This reminded me that I should probably go back and try to finish the last few stages in Forbidden of Hyrule Warriors.Been a while since I last played it.
>>746029930How the fuck do you make a Koei Tecmo crossover musou and NOT put Monster Rancher in the game? No Rygar and Fatal Frame either. Also they used that stupid cat mascot version of Nobunaga over the normal one. And then there's BOTH Marie and Honoka over literally everybody else in DOA. They also put some badly designed furry OCs in. This game's roster selection was fucking retarded.
>>746029930They didn't include Rygar so I passed on it.
>>7460307868E is piss easy, SW4E is pretty great though
>>746029930I've seen mugen projects with more art direction consistency than this.
>>746032024It's a crossover game
doing the lu bu story in 8xl now... they made lu bu especially broken in this game whenever he does a weapon swap he gets max attack speed
Musou Thread's force is in trouble!
>>746029930I think the main bad thing about it was no Free Mode equivalent. I mainly played it for the crossover factor.
Playing DW4 and jesus these assholes just rollerskating in from offscreen JUST in time to stop my combo from finishing an officer, then letting him musou attack me, then getting juggled by 5 peons because his attack knocked me into the air and they have the fucking Mortal Kombat 2 AI where they automatically jump attack you as soon as you are in the air, with 110% accuracy of courseIt's not like they even do much damage, but I spend so much of a fight NOT being allowed to even do anything, just waiting to hit the ground again and hope I get a chance to move when I stand up, it's frustrating.
thinking about playing WO3 Ultimate soon.
>>746029930I'm the only asshole that liked it and wanted a sequel
>>746039223its a great time, i wish the movesets were better but they aren't bad and the game has so many unlockable costumes for everyone
>>746039483That makes two of us but I'm the only asshole that watched Rio's anime.
>>746029930I'm enjoying basa 4 currently. It's pretty great.
>>746029930I am still trucking though HW: DE. This shit has so much to do
>>746039223Easily one of the best out there. It was pre-DW8, and Koei (out of all devs) had the courtesy of taking all the clones and giving them unique Charge attacks. And it's got a fuckload of stages, a fuckload of largely unique characters, Gauntlet Mode, straightforward weapon ability system. Seriously good by musou standards.>>746039483They didn't have their finger on the pulse with that one. Koei got high off of how well received all the crossover stuff in WO3U was that they thought they could JUST crossover IPs, somehow missing the fact that it was cool in WO3U because of it being the icing on the already expected cake. The CYOA-esque story progression could also very abruptly end a run. I got tgrough one run as Naotora, dud some stage with Ayane, and suddenly the credits are rolling after a cutscene about them being friends or some shit, completely ignoring the supposed peril of the furry world everything is taking place in. All-Stars was just not a good idea from the start. Would've been more palatable as another expansion to WO3.
>>746029930No free mode, meaning that if there was a particular stage you actually liked, you'd have to replay the campaign that leads to that stage from the start to get to it, pretty much killed any chance this game had.
>>746042826Yeah fuck Origins in the ass
>>746042023That's on my list of games to pick up. I'm going to get that and Kamen Rider Battride War Genesis soon.
>>746043045The combat is something else. Very satisfying. https://youtu.be/E8OTU0ij8L8?is=AIrqlLh3uFODBPcG
>>746043251RESURRECT THIS SHIT ALREADY CAPCOM YOU MUTTSUTTS
>>746043251I played a lot of 3 back in the day, but I never got around to buying 4.
>>746044236>>746043832Archive.org has an English fan translation patched PS3 version of sumeragi with dlc. Works without issues in rpcs3. Probably the only way you can really get into it unless you know moon runes.https://youtu.be/WQbIRljNATI?is=bpbSFZB69xGOEZwX
wo3u has a 1v1 fighting game mode
>>746044638PS4 emulation is coming along too
>>746044672WO2 does as well
>>746035863This. I've been tempted many times to buy it but from what I read there doesn't seem to be any free mode and from what I gathered no progression? Like, once you finish the game everything resets and you just start over. Is that true? No grinding, no equipment system, no levelling stats etc
>>746044709Yeah I think it works just as well though no eng translation. Something else about rpcs3 version is there's patches to uncap frame rate entirely. By default both PS3/4 version are capped to 30 in menus, 60 in game.
All-Stars is shit for one very simple reason: the generic enemies look and sound like shit. It's not fun to kill them like it is to kill the random faceless Chinese/Japanese people in DW/SW.I still played it for my wife Honoka though.
>>746040718>no braSlut
>>746044780I want to say you keep whatever you have when you beat the game. But it's been too long so I can't remember what you have in terms of equipments/items/etc.
>>746044771WO2 has more characters and should be better than 1 but for some reason I like 1 more, maybe it's the story
>>746044787I tested the PS4 version on shadps4 for about 10 hours. The two advantages that the PS4 version has it that one, it has all (or almost all) dlc included on the disc, so you don't have to hunt down anything., The other being 1080p resolution instead of 720p on RPCS3. So really you aren't missing much with either version at this point.
>>746045078WO "2" is just WO1 but with one more faction, Orochi, as a prequel. In Japan it was just called WO1 Special and it was a localization error that branded it WO "2" in the west. This is why WO4 is WO3 and WO3 is WO2 in Japan (yes, just like Dynasty Warriors, one title behind)
>>746029930there's nothing wrong with the gameplay but the story is terrible and it heavily effects the gamebasically you just randomly choose levels and it opens other ones, which determine which characters you pick upit just feels messy and aimless, even more than orochi gamesI would have liked if you could swap between characters in the fights rather than just having a team tag along and help out from time to time
>>746045179Yeah either's fine. Would just be good to get more people playing
>>7460450782 has piss easy difficulty and I also missed the optional stages and elemental charged C1s. To me 1 is the superior game even though I like a lot of the new characters.
>>746045078Ignore this >>746045354 I merged WO2 PSP version and WOZ in my mind because I'm senile.>>746045717The most disappointing thing was just how easy it was to unlock characters. That was the most fun I had in the first game that I played with my bro.
>>746037664Enjoy it cause in 5 the AI gets lobotomized. The AI in 3 and 4 are my favorites cause they will try to get you the moment they see an opening, and they legit teach which characters are complete dogshit and which arent.>they have the fucking Mortal Kombat 2 AI where they automatically jump attack you as soon as you are in the air, with 110% accuracy of courseI actually think they overtuned the AI for this. With the introduction of the jump charge slam, they probably tried to counter spamming it with crazy AI level reads. However I think this bleeds into climbing on a horse cause getting back on your horse in 4 is the absolute worst.
>>746029930What are your favorite musou games and musou-likes?
>>746046041Everything on PS2 including Gundam 2
>>746046041
>>746046041my top 5>HW: AOC>SW2XL>DW8XL>WO3U>SW4E
>>746046041>>746046226*AND EXCLUDING DW6 SPECIAL
IS IT 30/09 YET????
>>746046249Didn't play Fate and FE but overall I agree. However Berserk is my guilty pleasure even for a musou so I'd rank it higher
>>746046041I really like PW4, the combat in that game is probably my favorite of all musous I've ever tried.
>>746046041Sengoku Basara 4Samurai Warriors 2Dynasty Warriors 3One Piece Warriors 3
>>746046469my issue with 4 is they skip so many parts of the story compared to 3. 3 has a fucking syrup island map
>>746046597I agree there, content-wise it definitely felt lacking. They added some good new characters in the DLC but unfortunately did not add any new maps or significant story content.
>>746043251Capcom could port this to steam, market the fuck out of the combat and over the top wackyness and make bank. What a gem.
>>746046947yeah capcom is a prestige brand now, whatever they release will have eyes on it. if they did a sengoku basara in the RE engine it would be a guaranteed hit
>>746044837I actually enjoyed slaughtering furfags.
>>746047032Could the RE Engine handle a musou style game? it shits itself in DD2 and Monster Hunter. I guess it does do pretty well in DMC5's Legendary Dark Knight mode.
>>746047032the main issue is that there's nobody at capcom that actually wants to manage a new SB project since the original guy left.There's people there that like it, but they don't like it enough to want to take control and responsibility, it's like that one meme.That is another question, without the original director, would you want another one?
>>746047198This is a legitimate issue. A big part of basaras charm isn't just the combat but the interactions between characters in cutscenes, little details in animations like characters coming to a stop from a dash in a very exaggerated manner. Everything about it feels made with love and passion, as silly as that sounds. If there's no one who cares about that then might as well leave it or just port 4 to steam.
>>746045851>The most disappointing thing was just how easy it was to unlock characters. That was the most fun I had in the first game that I played with my bro.True, the special requeriments to unlock certain characters was really cool. Like Kotaro Fuuma, fuck I want to play now. I'm going to download the PC version
>>746046041WO1 and SW2 are my favorites, probably because they were my first musou. Learning that Nobunaga Oda was real mas mindblowing
Are DW5 Xtreme Legends and Empires completely separate? So you'd have to play both of them for the full 5 experience?
>>746049581xl is the definitive version of the main game, so just play that. empires is its own thing, a total spin off mostly focused around sandbox play, if you can't get enough of dw5 combat you can play it
>>746046041>DW3Based, can't go wrong with the classic
Capcom can eat a dick for not localizing Basara 4
>>746046815>Gear 5 bonney but no giant bonney so she's stuck as mid tierWe need more giant characters, like Gerd
>>746049150>I'm going to download the PC versionDon't. Its frame rate is fucked on certain monitors IIRC. Just emulate it.
>>746052505Oh fuck wrong thread, sorry
>>746052438It worked just fine on my old PC! I'm sure it's going to work just fine now
>killedDW3 generics don't fuck around.
KT are being massive retards for not milking DWO's full re-release and DLC potential before the next game. The game is basically a blank foundation state. Visions of Four Heroes was garbage the more I think about it.If the sequel is just DWO2 instead of a full package DW10 it won't be worth buying because the game will be missing the best chunk of the story since it was already wasted on Ziluan and the first game.
>Devil KangzIs this game really that bad?
So what are the details of this? I know it was pushed back to the end of September, but what are they actually adding, changing, fucking up, etc?
>>746054227Fucked that chart up
>>746054704They were adding some new hypotheticals iirc.>changing Quite a lot, if you mean from DW3. But they have classic settings, supposedly to make the game a little more accurate to source.
>>746030775Kinda but not as much as you would expect
>>746055025Ah, so what is it going to play like? DW8? DWO?
>>746042973Origin's lets you replay any level fuckwad
>>746054704This game looks more like a remake than a remaster
>>746043251I love how the devs gave no thoughts of balancing and pretty much just went ham on the combat mechanics for each individual characters.
>>746054642It suffers from a small roster and a big grind with very little reward. The game makes you rely on items you can equip to increase your performance and XP. But the worthwhile items only get dropped at Hard difficulty, which makes progression very slow for all characters. It also has no in mission save, so if you lose at the end, it's 30 minutes of your time lost (not a problem if you play on an emulator, like me).It is very challenging at Hard difficulty, so you can at least not be bored when you play a map with archers or flying enemies, cause they hit like trucks and may sneak on you.
>>746043251Is there a point in playing base SB4 or should you always go with Sumeragi?
>>746055807Sumeragi is definitive https://archive.org/details/sengoku-basara-4-sumeragi-bljm-61248-english-patched
>>746043251It's so peak
>>746055807Sumeragi is pretty much the XL equivalent of Basara. Has more characters and skills and genuinely more fun imo. Just go with sumeragi
>>746055456It's just a classic UE5 Demake with the original engine ran through the UE5 middleware filter. Basically a modded original game with new 3D models, stock UE5 SFX, stock UE5 animation/mechanics additions and tweaked camera. Exactly like Metal Gear Solid Delta, Oblivion Remastered, Halo Campaign Evolved, GTA Trilogy Definitive Edition, Ninja Gaiden 2 Black, the new Zelda trash etc.UE5 allowed devs to basically demake their games like Bluepoint used to do. Some still opt out to use their in-house engines like Tomb Raider I–III Remastered, Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver 1 & 2 and FATAL FRAME II: Crimson Butterfly REMAKE but the method remains the same - recycled code, new models, lighting and sometimes new camera and animation tweaks. These all are just mangled original games, just like Bluepoint slop. To actually RE-MAKE a game you need to do it from scratch. Actual remakes are Resident Evil 2 Remake, Final Fantasy VII Remake (before they went off the rails midway through), Tomb Raider Anniversary etc.
>>746047032Theres no way in hell RE Engine can handle Basara. It looks like garbage and runs like mud even for slow ass tps games. Its a piece of shit from top to bottom
>>746057343RE Engine already runs DMC5 bestie
>>746055196You will have DWO mode and DW3 mode
>>746057424Oh my god whatever nerd not like that
>>746055196Believe it or not, but it's close to PS2 games. Also with DWO stuff in, but it can be disabled.
>>746054642The biggest issue I had with it was the enemy pop in/out. It's pretty barebones when you compare it to the later entries, but I still had fun with it back in the day.
As somebody who loves DW3, I'm actually hype.Yes, it's not a literal remaster and I know it's not going to replace the original, gameplay differences are there - but it's DW3 in spirit, which to me signals they value trying to recreate the systems from old DW instead of just making it into a DW8 or Origins clone.
>>746054642It's repetitive even for a musou. It's a barebones arcade game with few levels, kinda like DW2. The animations are great but the actual movesets are limited. The enemies are sponges that take forever to kill.Like DW2 this game is essentially a prototype and the sequel is more of a realized package. But the gayest thing is the localization. It's not a dealbreaker, the core gameplay is still the same. But it's just embarrassing and insulting. Capcom are some of the most pathetic, insecure, self-hating but simultaneously elitist bunch of yellow animals in the business. They thought names like Nobunaga and Yukimura would confuse the gaijin pigs so they changed everything to generic le blue dragon le devil kang names and ripped the story out so our little pig brains could digest this Shakespearean masterpiece. Apart from being retarded it's also giving second hand embarrassment because you see them be ashamed of their own history and how they treated it with this game. Mind you this game released in October 11, 2005. All 3 Dynasty Warriors games AND Samurai Warriors 1 released by then. With names like Ling Tong, Pang Tong, COW COW and the entire Sengoku roster yet these were the numbers they clocked >>746054976This isn't the last time they castrated themselves btw. Remember how they refused to localize Lost Planet Ex Troopers because it was "too japanese"? With the infamous "example" how even the title couldn't be localized for westerners because it's too stylized and japanese with its kanji and shit. They were fucking embarrassed and ashamed because it was manga inspired. This insecurity was shoved into them by the Great Satan: Inafune. This was when they and other jap devs were going through their dark period of outsourcing and western pandering which led them to instead outsource Lost Planet 3 to west.This led to us never getting the other Basara games and it eventually dying because the sales from Japan alone were not enough.
>>746060887>This led to us never getting the other Basara gamesWe got 3 on both ps3 and wii
>>746061049Wanted to mention that exception but hit the word limit
>>746029930What are the best 3 Musous?Anybody got a tier list on hand?I have a PS3, PS4 and PC.
>>746061446DW4SW2WO1
>>746061446You won't get a definitive answer, everyone will give you a different list.
>>746059706it's slop but I'll eat it
>>746054642I played it recently and I think it sucks. Enjoyed samurai warriors way more
