Is there a single turn-based game that takes skill to play? If not, what's the appeal of turn-based? Just comfort gaming? Pressing buttons while stuff happens?
this retard never heard about chess before
No video game takes skill
>>746043213All pvp games take skill, no pve game takes skill. Simple as
>>746043213go is fun. try reading hikaru no go as well, good manga
>>746043213>Pressing buttons while stuff happens?Isn't that all video games?
>>746043213loads of them. a few recs:>shiren the wanderer 1 >open x-com>pokemon clover
>>746043340>hikaru no goFUCKING BASED
>>746043213inb4 some fag says SMTSMT is all about preparation, once you have the "correct' team you simply steamroll the boss. The actual execution takes no skill or effort.
>>746043213Ever heard of fun?
>>746043213Most of them do. If you're going to say that they don't because grinding exists, just know that it means you were too unskilled and dumb for a fight. Grinding is there as a brute force method so stupid people don't get walled.
>>746043476isn't that true of real time games as well? once you've practiced, your muscle memory does the work and your brain basically isn't doing anything anymore, no skill or effort required
>>746043567>>746043278
>>746043213Is it true that Slay the Spire requires no skill?
>>746043634pve is trivial whether it's real time or turn-based, is the point
>>746043476Preparation and knowing how to build teams is a skill. There are a lot of dumbasses out there that have no idea how to actually put together a good demon.
>>746043529you don't even need to grind, just look up the build + the order of buffs or whatever, then you will win first try whereas this is impossible in a good action game
>>746043213Every mainstream game is easy, even soulslikes (see how many inept twitch streamers end up beating them). Try something non-mainstream, or stop choosing Easy/Normal at the start
>>746043213Just beat Battletoads legit.
>>746043723Looking up a build and a guide for turn based games is the equivalent of an aimbot in a shooter.
>>746043359granny thighs...
>>746043476>study opening book for 260000 hours>opponent is caught off guard and takes a suboptimal line that puts them down -2.3 at the 13th move>from there the win is trivialChess is for retards
>>746045315>Chess is for retardsyeah pretty much, you can literally use a smartphone app to beat even Magnus Carlsen, it's a solved game
>>746045315>i beat a 500 elo retard chess is for retards kek
>>746043213>Is there a single turn-based game that takes skill to play?yes
it just won GOTY
>>746045807E33 devs had to add parries and dodges for the game to actually be fun.
>>746043213I know some fags will say Etrian Odessey but those games are basically spreadsheet simulators vs. still image pixel monsters where you follow specific builds and tech tree upgrades then follow a flowchart of abilities in battle.The difficulty comes from random elements like avoid or landing status effects.To answer your question: not really. Difficulty in turn based RPGs comes from obscurity (every SaGa game) or random chance.
>>746043213Duel Monsters
>>746043567In multiplayer, it's easy to win against your opponent if they go on auto pilot
>>746043213>that takes skillYou want the wrong thing from videogames
>>746043213>what is 4x?
>>746043213First, you need to define skill. Is strategy not a skill? Is it only reactions and timing?
>>746043325>pvp games take skillJust press the buttons faster
>>746046853>Is it only reactions and timing?Yes.
>>746046982says who?
>>746043213kill yourself
>>746046982So what you're saying is that Fortnite is the most skill based game there is
Go beat nethack op
>>746043213Planning and resource management in a schedule, those are the skills
>>746046306Not if they're better than you.
>>746043213helen's mysterious castle is pretty skillful for a turn based game
Xcom, Pokemon
>>746047614If they're going on auto-pilot they aren't
>>746043213gun&ball gamers say that shit, they virulently hate turn based games
>>746043213How would you define skill in this context?
>>746043213They're fun. Plenty of shit ones around though as with any other genre obviously.To elaborate, it's still the most effective method of controlling and customising a small party of characters yourself instead of just letting the AI control them.
>>746047787If they're better than you then their auto-pilot is enough to beat you. You gotta be on their level to make them lock in.
videogames arent a sport and just pieces of entertainmentonly fighting games and rhythm games take skill
>>746043213Chess and Go are turn based games with simple rules and have absurd high skill ceiling to the point gifted people can dedicate their life to them from early childhood and still not be good enough for the top level and even an amateur level a skill gap means the better player wins pretty much everytimeThere is no abstract reason turn based video games shouldn't require or reward skill, most turn based rpg being brain dead grind fest is a conscious design choice not an inherit flaw of the genreNow for an actual vidya answer darkest dungeon at the highest difficulty definitely requires skill
>>746043687There are some pretty good chess AIs out there
>>746048115>If they're better than you then their auto-pilot is enough to beat you.>>746046306
>>746048371Modern chess bots like Stockfish are impossible to beat, even the best player in the world wouldn't beat it because it can predict millions of outcomes in a second, so every move it makes is perfect.
>>746048664humanity's days are counted
>>746048371You don't even need AI with chess. It has been for years that Chess games against the computer only let the player win when they are told to take suboptimal moves.
>>746044336https://youtu.be/om6QZVMX9-M
>>746043278Knowledge is not skill. Execution is skill. You can very skillfully do things the stupid way, and be absolutely dogshit at execution despite perfect theory.CAPTCHA is a lying nigger!
>>746043278Chess is low key only skillful when played on a short time limit, otherwise it's just a knowledge check and your skills do not matter.
>>746050630>muh memorization game memeI could lite rally randomize my first 5 moves and still rape anyone who isn't serious about chess, hell I could spot you a piece and randomize my opening and still likely rape youOpening memorization is a very small part of the game, it becomes more important at grand master level only becuase the margins of error are so small there
>>746051153See>>746051378
>>746045559What a gem this was. I doubt think it had that much depth sadly but still
>>746043278he's a tranime poster please understand
The majority of action games are retarded braindead easy, it means nothing. I will agree that time limits should be part of their gameplay, but guess what that goes for action games too.
>>746046027It's not fun anyway, just shallow mechanics on top of basic ass turn based. Even ATB is better.
>>746043359sumata+ tummy cvmshot
>>746050630>Knowledge is not skill.it absolutely is.
what games take skill anyway, dota? older ninja gaidens?vanishingly few either way.what baffles me is how some people pretend that stuff like one button masher genres like soulslikes or GoWlikes take any skill whatsoever.It takes way more skill to plan and execute an FE Conquest Lunatic run than playing an action game
