>>746050037
Below them

>>746050037
Combat and encounter design far above. Presentation way below Wukong. I love them both though.

>>746050037
It's tied with LoP for the best not made by From. Before the LoP DLC, I'd have put Khazan above it.

>>746050037
Is this game an adventure or is it just boss fights back to back with hallways inbetween?

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does khazan get his weapon's polished?

>>746050037
The combat is great.
The Dragon boss fight sucked though.
You could only lock on to it's mid section which made attacking it very annoying.
Also the final boss had way too much AOE spam.
But apart from that, it's a fun game.

>Dungeon Fighter Online canon
While I know /v/ had a history with that MMO, this is the one thing keeping me from it.

>>746050037
i dropped both wukong and wuchang but i finished this game
the environments can be really drab but the action combat is far more polished than all the other non-from games
it has another problem in that normal mode is too easy but hard mode is really hard
also when people think of souls games they imagine lots of dodging constantly but khazan is more of a blocking game, if there's a supernova thermonuclear explosion happening you can just block it with your weapon as long as your stamina is full

lol

>>746053008
i got burnt out in general from years of playing. now i lurk for the next story and sexy ladies

>>746050037
Sekiro>Bloodborne>LiesofP>Elden Ring>LoTF>MS2>DS3>DS1>DS2

>>746052848
If Hismar had his head close enough to the ground so that you could hit it in neutral it would probably be the best dragon fight IMO. But since you can't do that it's below Bayle and Midir.

>>746050037
Significantly worse than AI Limit which mogged it releasing on the same day

>>746052279
I actually prefer Wukong's combat at a basic level because on NG+ when they actually have enough HP the bosses actually do have some back and forth with you, since the moves you can use to stagger or stun them are limited, whereas once you get good at Khazan it's just a single reflection and then combo half the boss HP, then do it again and the fight is over.

They're all the same. The new one by Game Science looks the same too.

>>746052561
There are pretty big areas between bosses to explore.

>>746055065
In what way do you believe they are the same?

What was the name of that anime souls game releasing along this?

>>746053093
I played it for like 2 hours a long time ago. My point is though I hate jumping into a franchise spin off where elements of the story depend on an understanding of the source material.

This happened to me with Code Vein. People go "The story is self contained and the God Eater monster is more like a cameo" but no, it kind of does depend heavily on the back story of Godeater to get it.

too hard for me, after I beat that faggot with the darkness katana I was so exhausted that I stopped playing

>>746056603
its easy to understand. sword guy wants revenge so he uses blood ghosts to fight the emperor who did it.

>>746056825
Yeah but I'm sure that goes into a bunch of shit established with the Berserker class and plot of Dungeon Fighter Online.

I can't just write that off as expanded material slop.

>>746056437
ai limit, the best souls game no one played

>>746052561
the latter

>>746053027
>i dropped both wukong and wuchang
literal retard-tier pleb

>>746050037
better than the chinkslop, not as good as Lies of P

>>746058906
Lie of P is the most overrated soulslop ever made
Wukong, Wuchang, Khazan all piss on it

>>746057420
Anon it's entirely self-contained. Its relation to the rest of DFO is that its an alternate version of a historical event from that series. I've never touched DFO and I never felt like I was missing context.

Besides the story isn't the draw and its a great game.

>>746059000
chinkslop only pisses on itself

Pingus has slightly (SLIGHTLY) worse combat than Khazan but vastly better everything else. And certain weapons in LoP make every other Souls game weapon look like a goddamn joke, the gunblade is so impossibly good.

mortal shell 2 dabaronis on them all

>>746060007
Is it that big an improvement over the first one? Because the first one sucked ass.

>>746059954
The next Black Myth game and Phantom Blade are going to decimate every piss poor western soulsop and Fromsoft game (except Sekiro)
the chinks are literally balling out on the west right now

>>746060125
no they won't lmao, chinamen don't know how to make good games

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>>746059954
AI limit better than all the slop you named

>>746060217
>delete the boss by barely doing anything
was this supposed to make the game look good? lol

There was almost only two good things about it.
Some bosses are good
Skill system is good
The rest is pretty much shit and very generic
The art style, NPCs, world and story didnt appeal to me at all, there is literally no immersion in this game.
Reused bosses with small alternations on all shitty side quests I did. I didn't enjoy the maps either. The upgrades for weapons and gear sucked, the way you leveled them and had to go to shop to gamble felt like something out of Ass Creed mixed with some isometric RPG.
I did complete almost whole game on hardcore, but then i switched to normal on last boss because I wanted to finish it asap and forget I bought it. If someone enjoy tranime graphics and don't mind that story is shit and just wanna have some fun killing bosses with a cool skill system it might work, but at least pirate this pile of shit.

>>746050037
Its kingdom hearts.

>>746060353
Yes, magic is supposed to be overpowered, especially a hard to find spell

>>746059954
I think the gap between P's combat and K's is more than slight, but I agree everything outside of that is better in P.
I like both Wu games better than either though

>>746060175
Chinese games are better than Korean games

The level design ranks among some of the worst in souls/soulslikes, but the bosses are incredibly good and the combat is excellent. Story, characters, a lot of things about the game are exceptionally mediocre. But if you're a gameplay first kind of person Khazan is probably the best of the soulslikes. Wuchang is an overall better package. Lies of P excels in basically everything. Black Myth isn't a soulslike.

>>746060570
they're the same level of slop not worth playing outside of a few exceptions

>>746050037
it's not a soulslike, it's just an action boss rush game.

Best combat
Half the main bosses are good, the others forgettable but presentation wise they are all pretty good
Everything else like level design, enemy variety, and pacing is fucked

The thing with Khazan's combat is even before NG+ you feel like you have agency during fights instead of waiting for bosses to do their bullshit moves, then get 2-3 hits in and wait for your turn again. You can really dictate the fights yourself

>>746060217
is this supposed to make it look good?

>>746060587
I never understood, how are games like Khazan and Nioh soulslikes but Wukong isn't?

>>746060217
This is one of the few soulslop games i have only tried a little, but I have problem with such artstyle.
Looks like some random gacha phone game for me and I bet its not that bad, but such shame since I wont be able to immerse myself.

>>746060625
Has there ever been a soulsclone that replicated the actually good parts of Dark Souls (the level design and exploration)?
For some reason they always fixate on boss fights above all else.

>>746057420
To be honest, DFO's lore is pretty fuckin malleable. Depending on when you played it the who and why and when has been pretty fuckin different. At this point I feel like they've kind of solidified it but it's not like many people are particularly well acquainted with the lore that isn't a part of the MMO's direct storyline, as far as most people know from playing it's
>Khazan is that red ghost guy that fucked up Slayer's arm
>Him and Ozma are friends? Rivals? Maybe gay?
>Ozma and Khazan are trapped in some other dimension that is specifically not hell
>Black Crusade???
>you go to other dimension, send Khazan to actual hell, kill Ozma (this does not send Ozma to actual hell)

>>746060786
just AI Limit, i don't know about the new mortal shell

>>746060786
I liked Wuchang, Lords Of Fallen with 2.5 patch, Mortal Shell 2 and Lies Of P. They are not same like Elden Ring or DS and all four are different, but they were def worth playing. All four felt immersive as DS or Elden Ring for me, so I played them nonstop basically.

>>746061180
Lies of P isn't a soulslike, it's a straight line boss rush action game

>>746060676
I would hardly call Nioh a Soulslike. And hell I'd call Khazan a Nioh-like more than it is a Soulslike. Wukong only shares the checkpoint/respawn system. Combat and progression are completely different

>>746061361
so its a dark souls 3-like

>>746061361
I liked it anyway and I am sure its still considered soulslike. Wukong was pretty fun also but felt even more linear than lies of P in some ways.

>>746050037
Better than Wukong worse than Wuchang.

>>746060125
After how boring Wukong ended up being I very much doubt that. Chinks just have no idea how to balance and pace action games so they end up getting boring fast.

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>>746050037
Khazan is not really a soulslike it's some kind of nioh clone abomination with some truly dogshit design choices. Some people like it because of the tight combat but the game flopped for a reason. Also having an arachnophobia mode in a dark fantasy game instantly tells you everything you need to know about the devs. Wuchang shits on it. Wukong too.

>>746052561
It's somewhere in the middle. The game has plenty of long levels to go through, but they're in a mission format where you pick one from the hub and you can't walk from one to another.

>>746058876
Maybe he just didn't like them. That's allowed, douchebag.

>>746061902
Khazan and Wukong are about the same in terms of gameplay but Wukong exploration is so slow and boring that it basically ruins the game. Level design is shit in Khazan too but Wukong's level design is shit and also incredibly fucking huge and tedious to explore through. At least Khazan lets you get to the point decently quickly.

Wukong is genuinely the most overrated game of the past decade and I'm convinced anyone praising it never made it past the 2nd area cuase it's unreal how much the game nosedives off a cliff in quality once you get to the snow region. One of the worst areas I've ever played in a video game.

>>746062546
less like overrated, more like blatantly paid shilling

>>746062752
Chinks don't need to be paid. That's pure CCP brainwashing.

>>746062546
I don't get it either. I really wanted to like the game and liked how it felt like a boss rush while not being aggravatingly/artificial difficulty hard but holy SHIT the combat is so simple and repetitive. I'll probably revisit it one day but it's one of my biggest regret purchases in the last few years

>>746061410
But the combat is also different with unlockable abilities and the like in Khazan and it has the grindable RNG loot vs single unique pieces and it has a mission based layout from a hub world vs larger scale open levels

>>746062938
Yeah. The worst sin a video game can commit is being boring and I couldn't even finish Wukong for that reason. It's just slow and repetitive.

>>746050037
>other souls likes like black myth and wu chang
bleak

>>746062938
Did you finish it or how early did you drop it?

>>746062157
>Wukong exploration is so slow and boring

At least it has exploration unlike khazan. Wukong has great story, visuals, presentation, while khazan is one of the most artificial feeling game I have ever played. But that's just my opinion.

>>746063983
>At least it has exploration unlike khazan.
That's not a good. No exploration is better than bad exploration because bad exploration wastes your time and is a fucking chorse to get through where as no exploration allows you to quickly skip past it. Khazan has a lot of flaws but I was never bored while playing it like I was constantly while playing Wukong.
>Wukong has great story, visuals, presentation
Presentation is nice but it is only an enhancer of what is already there. Without a good foundation presentation is meaningless. As is the case with Wukong.

>>746063902
I got a little past the tiger (?) boss in the blood pool that's in the 2nd region and just got bored of the combat.

>>746064101
We can talk about the flaws with wukong all day long, but it won't change the fact that it's still leagues above khazan. And that's what op asked about.

>>746064559
And I'm saying that's not true. The only ways it's better are in ways that don't really effect the core experience and the ways it's worse are so painful that they drag the game down massively and the fact that literally the only argument you can give is shitty, boring exploration and some pretty visuals is proof enough that not even you actually genuinely believe it's "leagues above Khazan" as you so claim. If that were true you'd be capable of justifying it which you have proven you can't. OP asked which game is better and Khazan is more fun which makes Khazan better. As this guy said>>746063713 Wukong is boring and that is the worst thing a video game could be.

>>746053008
Khazan is a jobber and a literal nobody in canon. I'm honestly not sure why they made the game about him he's literally useless

>>746064163
Did you even get any of the stance upgrades at all?

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>>746064807
They were clearly afraid of having any direct connection to DFO so they wanted to pick the safest least DFO shit possible which was the generic medieval empire. That's why there is basically zero reference to DFO at all outside of shit the pots say and the secret ending. We cant have a game about kpop jesus or battlemages fighting in gang wars in furry space new york or 7 foot tall white koreans in the sky fighting cyborg clown nazis.

>>746065882
Man just do Dragon War, Bakal is the fuckin best.
>kpop jesus
which one is this

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>>746066314
Michael the guy that actually fucked up Ozma.

>>746066553
I look forward to smacking him around in a few months whenever Global gets that raid, as the game slowly makes a raid for every boss fight that's ever been in the Otherverse

>>746064739
Yes the boring shit wukong is massively popular while the amazing khazan sold so bad that the studio shut down. In a time where putting "soulslike" in your marketing automatically sells copies, because everyone wants to play soulslikes. It's like a cheatcode. Mortal shell 2 a budget slavjank game made by 30 people is selling like hotcakes and everyone talks about it. That game is a lot less approachable to normies than khazan yet they are still hyped to play it. no one gives a shit about khazan, because it's a mediocre and forgettable game with an ugly art style, meaningless loot, nonexistent story and characters, dogshit difficulty options where they just increase enemy health until it's unplayable, and with a combat system that is nioh but worse. The devs did not address early feedbacks like people wanting female mc because they thought they knew better. Then they quickly added it later but couldnt bother adding cinematics and voice acting for it. I blame the director. He was given time, money, and talent and fucked up almost everything.

>>746066962
>muh sales
lul

>>746067127
I agree with you. The game works perfectly as a standalone title it doesn't need a sequel.

>>746065579
I don't remember, it's been 2 years

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We should have gotten a Roxy game about the Sirocco raid.

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He won...but at what cost...

I quit at the dragon which I think is like the second to last boss or pretty close and now if I want to go back I have to relearn everything and then fight two of the hardest bosses which seems like a fucking nuisance.

I rank these shitty games in terms of stiffness and the inability to move around your enemy and attack with a cool pattern. And I'm not some DMC fag that needs to have air combos. Standing in one spot and waiting to parry should not be a core mechanic of your game.

The worst is Stellar Blade, in the middle is Lies of Poop and looking best is Khazan. Although I only played the demo for it. Mortal Shell 2 seems better than all of them and I'm considering buying.

>>746068792
mortal shell 2 looks incredibly stiff?

its aight but im not a fan of anime style characters on realistic backgrounds
very jarring when you go to cutscene mode

>>746050037
It's a niohlike. It's better than the two you mentioned

Lies of P perfected the soulslike genre.

>>746050037
yeah i guess so

bloodborne>ds2>er>liesofp>ds1>des>ds3>sekiro>nightreign>brownmythwutang

havent played wuchang

>>746066553
he better fight like a boxer without his pokemon angels