Is Halo truly finished this time? Even many ex Halo developers from the first game are coming out speaking about the issues. One even said it would be impossible to get that ex Bungie magic back because times and people have changed. The remake is also showing just how stupid so many gamers and modern developers truly are. There has been such a lack of respect shown to the very people that actually helped create the original Halo game. Its ridiculous
We can hope.
Microsoft would have better luck just licensing Halo out to other studios to make games.After the utter fumble of Infinite there should have been zero reason to stick with the same in-house team for more pain
>>746052689This. Infinite was their chance to make a comeback, and they shit down their leg. Even when this was announced, everybody was like “Yeah…you’re not getting me again. I don’t care if you changed the name on the door.”
Humans are Forerunners.
Infinite 2 will be a great success like Infinite was. The Halo 1 Demake was a small misstep.
>>746052689kek you mean after halo 4? Infinite was like their 5th awful game
>>746052689>>746053074Halo 4 was their first chanceThey fucked it upHalo MCC was their next chanceThey fucked it upHalo 5 was their third chanceThey fucked it up until the very endHalo Infinite was their fourth chanceThey fucked it up again. They fucked it up worse than 5 somehow. They fucked it up so hard they had to abandoned the game not even a year after release and drip feed what little content they had for the next 3-4 yearsHalo Campaign Evolved is their fifth chanceAnd... they fucked it up again, and not only did they fuck it up, people finally had enough and knew they'd fuck it upIn terms of public reception, outside of the typical apologist wave that always surround these games right before release probably paid shills or people coping hard, no one has given a shit. Not even a tiny bit. This is worse than not delivering on hype. To be ignored is the ultimate death. When no one utters your name, you truly die. But you know what? I can guarantee you that Halo Studios will still exist. Microsoft will never kill this studio. They could release 10 more shitty Halo games that just keep sinking money, they don't care, Microsoft has infinite money, heh. They'll just keep "restructuring" until the heat death of the universe. I want it to be over, but it never will be.
I think Halo fans are finally tired. The humiliation rituals have been so relentlessly endless that there isn't much care anymore for Halo. Most real fans are also in their 30's to 40's. Under 30's were playing other games.
how the fuck did they fuck up remaking halo 1
>>746053976They tried making it for the Fortnite generation
>>746053675The recent mass layoffs and the Xbox brand tanking is an indicator that Microsoft doesn't in fact have infinite money and we may see their presence dissolve over the coming years. Infinite killed Halo, but Gamepass is what killed Xbox
Halo truly died when that awful tv show came out
>>746053675Halo Fans are the whiniest faggots ever I swear Most people liked the 1 and 2 Anniversary Editions. 4 was divisive but was always going to be regardless of what they put out, people were extremely harsh on it.Halo Wars 2 was awesomeInfinite was considered a return to form Only 5 legitimately sucked.
This is bullshitthere is nothing stopping these fucking faggots from grabbing halo 3's game play and repackaging it like halo campaign evolvedthe problem is that 343 are trying to still force their sprint mechanic, smartlink(ads on ar for example) mechanic, and weird fucked up canon that no one likes
>>746052437Halo has been finished since 3. It's a zombie corpse now.
Let people call each other nigger and faggot on chat. Make chat open. There, fixed. But they won’t do that pic rel
>>746054845Maybe they wouldn't be whining if they actually got a good game again.There has not been a single good Halo game since 2009.
>>746052437halo was never good
>>746055990What would you consider a good shooter?
>>746053976When has this studio not fucked up? They have fucked up literally everything. Some fuck ups being bigger with others being smaller but they always fuck up.
>>746052437>Is Halo truly finished this time?Halo? No.343/HS? Hopefully.
>>746055278>Let people call each other nigger and faggot on chat. Make chat open.You're not 14 anymore
>>746057102>>746057958>Bungie HaloHalo Halo 2Halo 3 & ODSTHalo: Reach>Ensemble HaloHalo Wars>343 HaloHalo 4Halo 5Halo Wars 2 - Creative Assembly (supervised by 343)>Vanguard Games HaloHalo: Spartan AssaultHalo: Spartan Strike>Certain AffinityHalo: Reach Defiant Map PackHalo: Reach Anniversary Map PackHalo 4 MP mapsHalo 2 Anniversary MP>15+ contracting studiosHalo InfiniteHalo: Campaign Evolved UE5
>>746052437I want Halo 5.2 and to just pretend Halo Infinite's gameplay changes didnt happen. I think it could be done if they decide to start fresh with a new main character. There needs to be some kind of Silent Nod between chief and the new main character as the hand off. A team of Spartan 4s as a way to say, this new movement tech is a Spartan 4 feature set and not something Spartan 2s needed. Since halo 5 multiplayer in universe was always a training Sim for Spartan 4s. I loved the movement, but the fanbase needs a reason for the gameplay upgrade.
>>746052851bungiefags never cared about lore.even bungie didnt give a shit. stop pretending you care.
>>746054845>Most people liked the 1 everyone thought it was shit>and 2 Anniversary Editions. it's shit but reddit likes it>4 wasshit>Halo Wars 2the only good one and the only one made without direct supervision from 343>Infinite was considered a return to form if the form is 343's excrement sure>Only 5 legitimately suckedas good as anything else 343 has ever made
>>746058423>I want Halo 5What was good about it?
>>746052689007 First Light taught me that there is no combination of dream dev and dream IP that will prevent disappointment. Halo just needs to be a fond memory and that's it from now on.
>>746053675343 has been a revolving door of devs since they worked on the Reach updates, most of the people that worked on Halo 4 were gone by the time of Halo 5. Most of the devs that started to work on Halo:Infinite were gone when game was in its second year of development, and those that replaced them were gone when it was launched and the new guys were left to handle the post launch content. 343 has always been outsourcing central, it's just the Microsoft way and that won't change anytime soon.
>>746058093Yes I just saw you post this in /hg/, and as I said there, 5 sucksIt having better water effects than shitfinite doesn't change that
>>746058565anything good about it can be brought back independent of the core gameplay mechanics5 is ass
>>746052689Bingo. The bones of halo are simple enough. Someone out there can make that shit.
>>746058565ive been playing since Halo 1, some 6000 games played in Halo 2, a few thousand in Halo 3 and Reach. Halo 5 without a doubt had the best gameplay and multiplayer in the series. All the weapons felt good and useful. The map design, even the forged ones felt well designed to offer each weapon and play style a place to flourish or gamble. Ive always loved driving warthogs, since i play the objective and played the shit out of BTB and Skirmish in halo 2 and 3, Halo 5 has the best vehicles. They nailed the handling, the weight, durability, and the turret was actually good for once. And the extra mechanics enabled through thrusters added useful tools to combat with their own strengths and weaknesses, and times to use them. Allowing a player with no weapon or ammo the ability to be lethal through well executed maneuvers and map knowledge, introducing a skill ceiling in halo i had not seen since 2. in the campaign, they added easier weak points the the knights. they were already an easily baited enemy in 4, but it seems most halo players dont pick up on enemy behaviors, so they were given obvious weakpoints.
>>746054608>but Gamepass is what killed XboxIt was a pretty dumb gamble really. They could have kept playing it safe and did console gaming the way its been working until they killed off Sony with the buyouts of other studios they were doing. But this company is too greedy and overshot with Xbox One when that was supposed to be the generation that they tried hard to solidify themselves as being the competition to PlayStation. With a much more solid lineup of exclusives than Sony could ever hope to muster I think in time Xbox would have surely dethroned PlayStation in this current gen. Especially seeing how bad Sony is fumbling the ball now. All that goodwill support they had with the 360 got pissed away.
>>746053976no multi
>>746058537>everyone thought it was shitThey were literally the same games with better visuals. Like the exact same.The reviews and fan reception outside this shithole were mostly positive for Infinite. You are one miserable motherfucker man
>>746058521I only cared about the human-covenant war. Hell I didn't even like the Flood.Honestly Reach was a good ending.
>>746059328>The map design, even the forged ones felt well designed to offer each weapon and play style a place to flourish or gamble. Ive always loved driving warthogs, since i play the objective and played the shit out of BTB and Skirmish in halo 2 and 3,I don't even think Halo 5 had any vehicles in 4v4.
Explain to me the plot of Halo with the assumption I'm a casual that only played 1, 2 and 3 and watched a mate play the doomed final stand mission on Reach. I want to see what I've missed.
>>746059785That's all you need to play. 343 story and lore is fucking awful and you're better off pretending it doesn't exist. And I liked some 343 games.
>>746059732they had vehicles on some forged maps.Warzone was their bigger focus and the most fun i had in halo in a long time. A mix of Battlefield Conquest, BTB, and Firefight in one.
>>746055701Reach was probably the best in the series or at least on par with 2. Infinite and Halo Wars 2 were good also. Can boomers please stop with this shit that older games were better because they were in school or whatever at the time
>>746060034I don't enjoy Promethean PvE so I don't really rate Warzone either. Also lolreqs
>>746052851Yes and no. It would be more accurate to reverse those. Forerunners are specifically the ancient humans that built the halo rings. But not all humans are Forerunners. For example a guy walking down the street in New Mombasa isn't a Forerunner because he didn't build the Halo Rings. But his human DNA (or whatever) would be recognized by the Halo Ring as "Forerunner" and he could activate the Ring.
The game after the next one should be a soft reboot set 1000+ years after Master Chief's coming death in Infinite 2.
>>746054948>the problem is that 343 are trying to still force their sprint mechanic, smartlink(ads on ar for example) mechanic, and weird fucked up canon that no one likesThis is very true. They can call it any stupid name they want but its basically working exactly like how aim down sights does. Its really fucking stupid. As you said nothing has ever stopped them from going back to the roots. They refuse to though because they think nobody will buy the game if it doesn't play like a modern warfare military shooter. Never mind the fact that Chief is a spartan in an advanced military combat suit and can jump 20 feet in the air with regenerating shielding that can essentially prevent him from dying by gunfire ever as long as he stays mobile enough in a gunfight.
>>746060075>lolreqsthey were never an issue. since enemies would spawn in regularly with power weapons. you could always fight off NPCs before the enemy team got there to control the power weapon drops. Almost like people killing Raiders in Labs in Tarkov. You know they have some decent stuff, kill them, and use their gear to kill the enemy. And if youre a decent player and the enemy team stole all the good weapons or spawned one in, well just kill them for it. Its not like the br stopped being dominant and the AR was surprising strong single fired. the req packs also enabled a way to unlock tons of armor. more customization options than any of the previous games.
>>746052437who careshalo was never good
>>746055990Not true and you just hate Halo like tons of others did. But Halo had a huge fanbase for those of us that liked it. Go play Quake with the 100 other people that still play it. Most of you guys pretend you like it anyways.
>>746054948Halo Infinite is basically Halo 3.2 its pretty boring, and it died. nostalgia is the only thing keeping halo 3's memory alive. no one should hope for more halo 3.
>>746052437I didn’t actually mind most missions in the remake but the new missions sucked just like all 343 stuff, so it’s hard to feel optimistic about the franchise knowing that’s what awaits after remakes
>>746060046>ReachThe beginning of the end and only little kids who played it when they were 8 think differently. The campaign was boring but at least had a kino ending. The multiplayer on the other hand is nothing but trash. Armor abilities, loadouts and excessive bloom made it a complete mess. Invasion was kinda cool I guess?>InfiniteAn abandoned and broken mess with less content that a game from nearly 20 years ago and filled with all the worst aspects of modern gaming like battle passes and the most jewish in-game shop I've seen in years.>Halo Wars 2Dude what if the Covenant were red lmaoDude what if we neutered Halo 3's ending by brining back the Flood who were somehow left unscathed inside High Charity lmaoDude what if we connected it to fucking Halo 5 by shoving in a Guardian at the end lmao
Put Halo in Smash.
>>746059610>They were literally the same gamesit was based on the gearbox port which itself was based on a months old beta of ce, if it used the original ce verson no one would complain>with better visuals.a hackjob slapping together assets doesn't mean it's better because the assets have more polygons>The reviews and fan reception outside this shithole were mostly positive for Infiniteuntil people figured out they got conned by 343, again>You are one miserable motherfucker manYou enjoy eating poop
Funny how a single terminal wrote by a rogue janny from bungie spammed the creation of 343 nu lore and all it's consequences
>>746053976They had to dumb it down since halo 1 was too hard. Nav markers over invisible enemies and immortal friendly NPC's should fix it.
>>746059328What made the Halo 5 weapon balance so great exactly?
>>746060207I mean duh, of course you average joe isn't building halo rings in his spare time, but they have the same DNA
>>746060701>Halo Infinite is basically Halo 3.2How many times are you going to say this bullshit?
>>746061009>Invasion was kinda cool I guess?youre being to generous. it wasnt good either. bungie ruined btb in halo 3 because they didnt understand how to balance maps, vehicles, and all the anti vehicle weapons they added. Invasion was their poorly informed attempt to reframe btb in little Battlefield Rush sequences with terrible preset weapon loadouts.
>>746061431>bungie ruined btb in halo 3 because they didnt understand how to balance maps, vehicles, and all the anti vehicle weapons they added. Invasion was their poorly informed attempt to reframe btb in little Battlefield Rush sequences with terrible preset weapon loadouts.What are the worst things Bungie did throughout their Halo run?
>>746061398As many times as i need to. Halo 3 does not get the hate that is deserves. And I see its bones in Infinite as they desperately tried to appeal to that whiny unpleasable fanbase.
>>746061549>Halo 3 does not get the hate that is deserves.What don't you like about it?
>>746061549Infinite doesn't even come close to 3's gameplay, it 5lite
>>746054845Anyone that blames fans instead of the shitshow that is 343 is a fucking retarded bootlicker that deserves to be homeless and beaten with a bag of hammers. MCC was such a fucking awful fuck up that 343 should never be forgiven and dragged through the mud whenever they fuck up.MCC was one of the most broken games ever released and is still broken shit. Fuck 343 they don't deserve sympathy or forgiveness.
>>746058521We did343 just brought a wave of bad blood fans who love convoluted stories and thus love whatever retcon or bs they make even if it contradicts itself, but makes them feel tingling feelingsThey are also very loud about it
I love how with Campaign Evolved, 343 had a some freedom when it came to the three prequel missions, and they're pretty much unanimously considered absolute dog shit.343/Halo Studios has ZERO talent.
>>746061549Most people who played Halo started with 3.
>>746061549>>746061693Halo gameplay styles>Classic Halo>3sk pistol, great weapon viability, has the lowest aim assist of any Halo titleHalo CE>Dual Wielding, Precision Weapons, Power Weapons, Melee Lunge, bullet magnetismHalo 2Halo 3Halo 3 ODSTHalo 2 Anniversary MPhttps://youtu.be/ocyYwLCDyCU?si=gYI_eiAp_D9t_YM2>Armor Abilities and DMRReachHalo 4>Modern HaloHalo 5Halo Infintie
ah yes, the fabled>i'm totally a super OG Halo fan guise, I have countless hours in every Bungie Halo game, more than you cab comprehend even, now let me tell you why Halo 5 is actually greatpostno thanks
>>746061549Halo Infinite does not play like 3, it's closer to Reach/5.
>>746060216That's what Halo 4 should've been honestly: something only tangentially related to the Master Chief games by the established lore that sets up something that respects what came before it while allowing the player to deal with a new problem. That or just a side-story the ramifications of Halo 3 in a logical way that isn't a complete lore clusterfuck.Crazy to think these 343 niggers wanted money for their gay fanfiction that doesn't even play well.
>>746062280it's like they took design philosophy from 3 but based the actual game mechanics more on 5 lite
>>746062280Halo 2 and Halo 3 were always casual n00b friendly slop. CE is king.
They destroyed it completely. Halo used to be cool now its gay.
>>746062336>it's like they took design philosophy from 3>huge af maps>>corridors everywhereNo, just no, this anon is right>>746062280
>>746061316their weapons felt consistent. if you take a halo 2 SMG or halo 3 AR, you could be certain that when fired the bullets would be somewhere in the circle. However at greater range if you are aiming at an enemy that only takes up 25% or half of the circle, no matter how good your aim is, you will miss for no fault of your own. While Halo 2 had better maps and lanes to take advantage of close quarters weapons, 3 did more often lacked those zones or trapped them between BR dominated zones, causing that inconsistency to make the weapon you are using feel worthless. In 5, they took some of the bloom from Reach, but it recentered quickly, allowing you to burst or single fire with the SMG or AR at range and hit people at distances previously not possible. even the plasma weapons benefited from having greater accuracy. overall no matter what you picked up, i could be confident that it could do the job, but also paired with more varied terrain with cover, there was always somewhere i could go to fit the weapons strengths. >>746061596the maps lacked cover, and often had dead zones just big enough to be picked off by brs. And the inclusion of the spartan laser, rocket pods, energy drainers, bubble shields, and warthogs that could be flipped with small arms fire. While Halo 1 and 2 were fun because of mixed combat, halo 3 went heavy on making sure close quarters combat and vehicles were off limits. but also the campaign felt hollow. preoccupied with being bigger, but nothing interesting to fill the void they created.
>>746062336>it's like they took design philosophy from 3They didn't, everything I'd closer to Reach/5. The equipment in Infinite isn't designed like 3's at all because they don't behave in a neutral way that can benefit or hurt either side. There is much less emphasis on physics, player collision, limited weapon niches, etc.
Infinite is nothing like 3 just take a look at how they ruined the gravity hammer
>>746062643>>746062769>Hello yes I like 3>dual wieldable guns are worthless on their own to balance it>only specific combos are good>completely outclassed in most instances by a battle rifle>Why yes I love the slowest movement speed and floatiest jump>Why yes I love dual wielding being worthless>Why yes I love the most limp wristed story in the original trilogy>Why yes I love the BR dominating even harder than it did in 2 despite the weapon being a factual downgrade thanks to the shitty netcode and latent spread>Why yes I love the Spartan Laser, a weapon so overpowered it makes the Halo 2 rocket launcher look weak in comparison>Why yes I love the weakest multiplayer map selection that existed up until 5 came outY'all can't even defend Halo 3 lol
>>746062193I hope we can get Halo 1 2 some day.
>>746062591nigga you just want COD with Halo gunsyou don't like halo
>>746052851Only the white ones though
>>746062889Why are you pretending that precision weapons don't dominate in Infinite along with the anemic garbage sandbox combo'd with weightless movement and lack of physics?
>>746062889There's only 2 dual wield guns in 3 that are shit, and they aren't even good when dual wielded: the spiker and magnum.The 2 plasma guns are good against OS and for setting up melees.The SMG has the same DPS as the AR.The Mauler can't one-shot in regular damage settings, but you're going to be punching right after a regular shotgun blast too. Plus, it reloads all at once.
>>746062889and all of those made one of the greatest mp games in history who retained the most players and to this day is still being played more than 4-5-infinite combinedif you don't like it then go plat something else
>>746061693the weapons are inconsistent like 3the vehicles suck like 3the maps suck in a similar manner to 3 (they felt like they were designed in a starcraft map editor)the maps are once again dominated by ranged weapons like 3movement feels slow like 3the campaign feels halfassed and hollow like 3. You can say its close to reach and 4 since Reach followed in the footsteps of 3 making many of the same mistakes, and 4 felt like it copied reach.
>>746063130>>746063123Halo 3 is far from the best. Halo 3 almost killed MLG until their custom game mode came out. Equipment usefulness was all over the place with one or two being OP and the rest being useless or worse. Bungie refused to balance that shit.
>>746063130I feel like you are just butthurt over 3 being the better game you are making it a boogeyman for why infinite failed
>>746062412I guess you could call it GAYLO. Seriously the destruction of many classic American IPs from the 90s and 2000s really needs to be studied. Like, who okayed this shit and thought "Yeah, Halo 9an IP for young men and just dudes in general) needs literal faggy bullshit, woman-brained melodrama and lame/gay action that looks absolutely retarded to appeal to the masses."It is baffling how no one says "This looks like shit" at ANY point in the production/development of these pieces of media, games very much included but especially the 15 years too late TV shows and movies.
>>746062965H5 brings back even starts, as well as map pickups, AND restores the golden triangle by not having an additional damage/sandbox element like equipment or armor abilities. And while it adds new base player abilities, 2 had already done that, so none of that should be "inherently un-halo", especially since most of 5's new abilities actually enhance the "emphasis on platforming" part. If anything, Halo 5 is more classic Halo then Halo 3 is.All weapons are worth using and can beat the OP h5 magnum. Hell even the AR is crazy strongHalo 3's only sandbox is BR, BR, BR, sniper, BR, BR, rockets.The combat needs to evolve.
>>746063203There was a time when devs didn't catter to compfags more than they regular userbaseLook at how halo 5 went full sweat scrims and died
>>746063203How did that "almost kill" MLG? Forge was right there, and was added in response to people like MLG who wanted to change the item layouts on a map.It's not like Reach, where they spent an entire year trying to make sprint work before simply dropping it.
>>746062965I want more Halo 2 and Halo 5.I dont want CoD, but when 3 and Reach sucked, I got very good at Battlefield (Bad Company 2, sniping people with the AEK's beautiful iron sights) and CoD those years. They do play very different to halo, and ive always suspected Halo fan's revulsion to CoD was based in their inability to adapt to new games. those games have their place, but I prefer a longer time to kill so accuracy, consistency, and teamwork is more powerful than lag and lucky spraying.
Infinite is closer to 5 than 3 fucking retard, it's sprint-ADS slop for mongoloids
>>746052437I think it is yeah. They actually shot themselves in the foot by making the new levels because it proved they learned nothing. This should've been able to fool some people but nobody really liked it. This is assuming M$ doesn't hand the keys to a new studio, which they just won't it seems
>>746063436>I want all guns to do the same thing and save me from bad decisions/poor positioning I have a game for you, MW2, you can even get a killing spree with a javelin >Halo 5 is more classic HaloHalo CE pistol...
>>746063525>was based in their inability to adapt to new games.I never understood this mentality, why would I want a game to play the same as another one?I can play different FPS games and have fun in each oneWhy does Halo need to "evolve" into something that it's not?
>>746054845>Infinite was considered a return to formlmfao, you had me going until that. Let me guess, you had a blast?
>>746059785Proto religious alien empire wants to genocide humanity because the Prophets (leaders of the Covenant) are scared that their followers will learn that humanity are the chosen forbears of the Forerunners (ancient aliens, possibly older humans {kind of retconned but fuck 343's dogshit writing}, that died out from the Halo Rings usage)Humanity uses Oni's top secret super soldier program that kidnapped and cloned/replaced children to undergo strenuous cybernetic implants and bone replacements to create Spartans, Reach was the foreground of the project but was glassed by Covies, with Master Chief (your character) and a very select few remaining Spartans surviving.Given the game's name "Halo" you find out the Forerunner superstucture in the first and third game are used to wipe all sentient life across the galaxy, which was the only way to stop the Floods infections. The Prophets falsely beleived the Rings were used to enter paradise, what they call "The Great Journey" (it's not)The Elite factions (main enemy commonly fought in the first two games) learns of the Prophets lies and joins humanity in a last stand against the Flood infection and split covenant faction. Personally I don't remember how a single Ring was capable of wiping out most of the Flood, but apparently it worked with its destruction. Humanity creates a truce with the Elites, and the Master Chief goes MIA at the end of Halo 3.The lore and story are essentially a space opera, some of the books are also really fucking Kino. For a time Halo was my favorite franchise, Bungie knew how to write a good fucking story, but the franchise is dead to me now.
>>746063463And look at how Halo 4 went full casual and died even faster.
>>746063203>>746063494Here's how the Halo 3 hype went on for me back in the day:-2006 announcement, visor reflection looks pretty great-2007 summer beta with crackdown 1, visor reflections are gone, but the player legs animate to correspond to terrain changes and you can see a holstered secondary! And custom games let you increase player run speed and splatter people on foot, this is pretty alright-actual game comes out, has a quasi busted lighting engine that's all over the place in fidelity, ugly facial models even for the time, and there's only one good level in the whole game, the covenant-post launch, Bungie & ms begins Operation: Ruin Halo Forever with their map pack price points, culminating in the 2009 "ODST=ODLC" schism, where gaming itself was rent in twain. You were expected to pay 60 bucks for H3 ODST because it came with 6 slayer maps that aren't fun, this all but ruined Halo as an IP to this day. If you are an original Halo fan and buy a Halo product after this event, you can practically feel the cynical behaviorist contempt the product itself seems to have for you.
>>746061172>unkillable alliesWhat the fuck were they thinking? Killing fellow soldiers for the funny dialog was a staple in any playthough.
>>746063949No lol they also went after the mlg golden goose with the call of duty pandering
>>746064157Is that why Halo 4 cut ranked entirely and forced all of the objective modes to have stupid rules you couldn't disable?
Halo 2 was the perfect game. Excellent story, amazing gameplay, satisfying multiplayer. It didnt hold your hand. The music....perfect You can't understate how disappointing Halo 3 was back in the day>worse campaign>worst writing>worse maps>Guardian is a worse Lockout>Blackout, Guardian, Construct, Foundry, Orbital, Snowbound all sucked as far as comp goes>Construct, Guardian, The Pit, Narrows were shit>they had to remake Zanzibar, Lockout and Midship lol>H3 AR is a joke>H3 BR feels very janky, especially when compared to the Halo 2 BR>Equipment is so bad that they were removed in matchmaking lolDebate me.
>>746052437Lol no. It will continue to get disappointing games for the RAPED who still trust microshart somehow
>>746064218that's just 343 not knowing what to do but throwing shit at the wall and see what sticks
>>746063232im not. ive always had the same issues with Halo 3 since it released but the fanbase is largely blind to the balancing problem i noticed. When 3 released I had a team i would play with in Halo 2, and everyone left to play MW2 because the gameplay in 3 was so stale. Every match was a BR firing line shooting at another BR firing line, then volleys of grenade spam because other weapons couldnt close the gap and vehicles would get deleted on maps with no cover from either the laser or sniper rifle. So after being very familiar with Halo 2 and 5 which didnt have this problem, then to see Infinite recreate the same problem as 3... we finally took a step forward and a massive leap back. if you want to find a blind spot in my analysis. I love to play objective game modes. I am the person stealing your flag and arming the bomb. I am driving the warthog. I find Slayer incredibly boring. In Halo 5 Warzone, I was stealing bases and driving oni warthogs as soon as i could call them in. I have a lot of experience at all ranges often against multiple people, so weapon consistency, routes, and general weapon/map balance is critical to me.
>>746064362Halo 2 had some really shitty sections that always suck to play again. The elevator sections and gondolas especially. That stupid flood elevator is so fucking long and even on legendary there's barely a trickle of enemies. They could have cut it entirely without anyone noticing.
>>746064504Or, it's 343 catering to giga casuals.
>>746063867>Personally I don't remember how a single Ring was capable of wiping out most of the Flood, but apparently it worked with its destruction. Humanity creates a truce with the Elites, and the Master Chief goes MIA at the end of Halo 3.If I remember right the general plot beats for that part are>Covenant fight the UNSC/Elites to race to the control room>Gravemind on High Charity crashes on the Ark>Flood and the Chief/Arbie stop Truth from firing all the rings throughout the galaxy>UNSC/Elites escape on Elite ships>Chief/Arbie enter High Charity and recover Cortana>The Ark automates to build a localized ring in that little section of space to wipe out the flood>Chief/Arbie fire it, causes the ark to self destruct because it wasn't ready for a full launch>Flood die, Chief goes to sleepSomewhere between Halo 1 and Halo 3 they seemingly retconned/clarified that Halo kills the Flood's food AND anything more advanced than the basic infection spores.This is notably not the entirety of the flood either, as there are new graveminds found in Halo Wars as well as unexplored sections of the galaxy that are totally lost to them
>>746064907Gigacasuals from cod however
>>746065123Yeah, so not MLG in the slightest.
>>746064597You know CE and 2 have the same "issue" as 3 right? Especially this>Every match was a BR firing line shooting at another BR firing line, With CE having the pistol and 2 having the almost hitscan BR
>>746065227well they wanted the cod playerbase one way or another, mlg or casual, they did both and failed
>>746063772>Why does Halo need to "evolve" into something that it's not?every halo is different. they all evolved. but the hatred of Cod seemed to pop up once Halo 3 starting losing popularity to CoD because 3 was boring. Halo 1 had fall damage, health packs, a goofy assortment of weapons that were a lot of fun but more of a party game. Halo 2 added online multiplayer, vehicle destruction, lock on rockets, deleted the assault rifle, turned the magnum into the BR, dual wielding, removed fall damage, removed health packs. it was one of the first games that added objects with physics, so you could push boxes around to block doorways, like on Waterworks.Halo 3 added more grenades, added deployable equipment, detachable turrets, 1 shot kill spartan lasers and missile pods, Forge, a Theater Mode, changed how they designed maps which impacted how combat felt. Reach, more anti vehicle weapons with plasma canons, emp triggerable grenade launcher, loadouts, armor abilities that further disrupted the flow of combat. the gameplay was always changing
>>746065275They didn't do that at all for 4.
>>746065285No Halo game is exactly like the last but all of Bungie's Halo games felt more like they were natural building blocks on top of each other (yes, even Reach) because the core gameplay of long time to kill, slow movement, and a focus on map control with heavy grenade use and power weapons stayed the same.
Halo has been on the decline for like 16 years. At this point I watch the first gameplay trailer of every new one, confirm that they still haven’t gotten rid of sprint, and ignore the game for the rest of its lifecycle.
>>746065230everyone had a pistol and the movement was just slidy enough and terrain varied enough to balance things out. On smaller maps other weapons were fine. Halo 2's maps balanced the weapons
>>746065285All of these (with reach being the only one questionable) play the same, but with a different coat of paint, some gimmicks here and there but at heart it's the same game, you see it and think "that's Halo's gameplay"Kinda like how CS hasn't changed mechanically since 1.6
>>746065418Halo 1's TTK was extremely fast.
>>746065503And? You still have a volley fire vs a volley fire of precision guns fighting for power weapons and map control as basic halo gameplay When you got tired of it you played AR starts or wacky playlists with other weapons
>>746065553You have a point for 2 and 3 being very close, but no other game in the series plays like CE.
>>746065668Only if you were very good or had a better position advantage, a 1v1 duel with both players giving it their all can last a full mag of pistol ammo
>>746065804Even an average of 7 shots to kill another player is faster than an optimal BR kill in Halo 2. That's not to mention how every other weapon is much more powerful than its later iteration as well.
>>746065718CE is my favorite mp and I agree in some parts that it's different from 2/3 but not that much that it's a completely different gameThe things that stand out to me more is the fixed item spawn, quicker ttk, and most weapons feeling beefier than the sequelsIt's mechanically the same, you just have to account for some things differently, this is mostly due to the engine it's running and was not by design
>>746054845Kill yourself.
>>746065860Yeah
>>746065285The trilogy are all party games that are simple to pick up, hard to master, with emergent high level play. Classic Halo is unique because no clone attempt or influenced game has been able to replicate its specific mechanical appeal, not even the modern Halo games. While most FPS are about speed and/or precision, parkour laser-tag or with asymmetrical base traits (classes/loadouts/etc), Halo is a methodical experience. Combat situations tend to last longer, sustained engagements are its pocket. Halofags are embarrassed that they are baby’s first fps, a party game that’s slow and simple, but that’s precisely where the magic is. It’s the smash bros of fps.
>>746066061>It's mechanically the sameNot quite. Melee doesn't lunge, grenades come to rest before they explode, health doesn't regenerate, you have much more health, the physics are completely different, the minimum splatter damage is 5000, the pistol's autoaim doesn't pull a bullet up to the head if you aim at the chest, and many smaller differences that make it feel like a completely different game.
>>746065694>And?if the terrain is more varied, you have more areas to use other options. though halo 3 still has the problem of other weapons not being great. so even if it had better maps, the weapons would be an issue. 1 also had indestructible vehicles that could offer some counter to the pistol. And halo 2 had cover more readily available to drive behind. if you want to play firing line simulator all games will cater to your interest.
343 is one of the most incompetent, out of touch developers of all time. Every release is a disaster.
>>746066265In the grand scheme of things those are just details and were like that because of the engine limitations of the time Kinda like how the smash series plays the same after all this time, but the original games had a lot of weird gimmicksHalo's basic mp is basically "I fight for a position in the map or a powerweapon using whatever items I have in my disposal, I try to kill my enemies in the least amount of time possible, I throw nades were I think they might be or might go, I use my teammates to control the map and try not to be left alone because playing solo can just feed kills"Sort of that can be translated into the CE 2 and 3's gameplay
>>746066697Yeah, if you ignore all the differences then the games are pretty similar.
>>746053976>Messed up the artstyle>Changed the AI to be worse, dumber and more annoying behaviors>Added sprint and it’s such a bad fit for the game they let you turn it off in the settings and to mitigate its influence any damage taken stutters you out of sprint>worse voice performances>marvelesque prequel missions complete with a girlboss oc>no Halo CE MP AGAIN>only two player splitscreen in person>no theater mode>assault rifle didn’t work on release, had to patch it to function as intended
Bungie hit gold with Halo CE but wasn't able to actually improve on the formula, just doing the same thing while degrading very gradually by nerfing guns and making the plot dumber and less mysterious. The sequels had a lot of cool online features, but they balanced the gun out of the game by pandering to MLG kiddos.Never played the 343 games but it seems it was just them trying to recycle ideas without actually improving or anything new, and eventually removing most of the cool online modes. It seems the problem is that they were afraid of doing something unique, without realizing that the Halo formula already exhausted itself in Halo 2.
>>746066875NTA but the classic games have more in common with each other than they do with Reach and beyond. Classic Halo has room to iterate and tweak, but there is a core identity there.
>>746067096>343 hasn’t tried anything newThe opposite, they haven’t made a single Halo game.
>>746067113Aside from armor abilities and health packs, Reach isn't THAT much different from Halo 3. I'd certainly consider those two games closer than Halo 1 and 2.>>746067096Not a single Bungie game actually catered to competitive play.
>>7460548451 and 2 are classics, Doom boomers can seethe all they want but Halo wasn't the formulaic downfall of FPS's they claim it to be. 3, ODST and Reach are the only good "modern" Halo games.Reach was weird with some of its design choices (sprint being an ability was fucking retarded and hunker down shield was extremely gimmicky) but you could see some creative ideas.4 was an attempt at fixing Reach's bizarre game mechanics but fell very flat as it still had an identity crisis on what the fuck it wanted to cater too. 5 is irredeemable garbage and essentially the final nail in the coffin for the franchise. Infinite at launch simply wasn't worth playing.
Halo CE aged like wine and Bungie, along with 343, have always self-referenced it with Halo 3, Reach, Halo 4, Infinite, Campaign EvolvedIt's so funny that Halo was used to advertise the NVIDIA GeForce 2 GTS and then that graphics card literally couldn't run Halo. Most GPUs were intentionally gimped out of Shader Model 2.0 and couldn't play Halo PC with specular highlights and bumpmapping. Gearbox had to potato-ify or remove many of the graphical effects when they ported the game to PC. Gearbox needed to write a fixed function renderer to support older 3D cards. Shaders had to be toned down for DX8 back then, the PC DirectX lacked a ton of calls present on the Og Xbox's DirectX.
>>746067204Reach balance changes were clearly meant for competitive play.
>>746059328Nah, kill yourself. Halo went to shit with Reach when they tried to copy CoD by adding sprinting and turning pickups into armor abilities. You're as bad as Bungie and 343.
>>746067096>Never played the 343 games but it seems it was just them trying to recycle ideas without actually improving or anything newSemi true of 4, not true of 5, very true of Infinite>It seems the problem is that they were afraid of doing something uniqueyes. they were endlessly hounded for trying anything new in 4 and 5. >without realizing that the Halo formula already exhausted itself in Halo 2.in bungie's hands yeah
>>746067314Which balance changes? Removing bleedthrough to make double melee so reliable? Nerfing every single weapon compared to Halo 3? Making the main headshot weapons random?
>>746067204Reach is brown n bloom muh gritty realism (aesthetically and the reticle), loadouts, sprint, with bleh copypasta campaign maps.One of the designers just admitted it was heavily influenced by CoD4 and it shows. Reach is the bridge between 3’s Halo gameplay and 4’s call of duty clone mp.
>>746062336>it's like they took design philosophy from 3 but based the actual game mechanics more on 5 litethisIt's like a really uncanny Halo 3 2
>>7460672072 is the weakest of the trilogy. CE had the best campaign and 3 had the best MP. 2 was released unfinished.
>>746067458Visually, Reach is different. The gameplay really isn't that far removed. Turn abilities off and it's not that different from 3.
>>746054845Halo was never a good game, the entire Halo gaming community has always been just a bunch of shrieking autists trying to cope that the franchise will never get to 50% of the quality of a torrented and malware infested CS
>>746054845t. 343drone
Remove sprint. Now.
>>746067341Reach's poor map design built upon 3's poor map design. the dmr wouldnt have been an issue if it existed on Halo 2 maps. It wasnt an issue at all in 5. Bad maps and a poor selection of weapons hurt 3 and Reach. It took until Reach and the absurdity of Armor lock and equipable active camo for it to become obvious. But by then all the blame was placed on armor lock. bungie was a creatively bankrupt studio. im glad they went on to release Destiny with a 1/4 finished campaign with no story.
>>746067530I don't disagree. Personally 3 was my favorite, hands down the best campaign and forge world multiplayers funmodes.
>>746067702The DMR wouldn't have been an issue at all if they either kept recoil or slowed the projectile velocity.
>>746067702>Reach's poor map design built upon 3's poor map designWhat's wrong with 3 and reach map design? They're largely considered Halo at its best.
I'd pay maybe $15 tops for an 8h single player game. For $50 I would have expected it to be all 3 games in one.Also why redo all the voice lines just to fuck up the delivery and make them sound stupid. Weird choices.
>>746067765This. Not sure why the fuck they decided to replace the BR when it was literally perfect.
>>746067862>This. Not sure why the fuck they decided to replace the BR when it was literally perfect.We've known since Reach Beta>Halo CEHardy LeBel>Halo 2Max Hoberman>Halo 3Max Hoberman>ReachSAGE MERRILLhttps://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2010/03/31/exclusive-interview-on-the-halo-reach-sandbox.aspxMERRILL: Well there’s the notable absence of the battle rifle. The DMR is definitely intended to replace the BR. We didn’t want to create another “one gun to rule them all” which is what the battle rifle had become. We want to push the player to a particular play style based on distance and which weapon is being used. We’ve turned the skill requirements up in a lot of ways and the DMR is going to require a bit more precision (and less luck on account of a burst-fire spread) than the BR did.In general we’ve tried to refine the sandbox, focusing on specific roles and range filled by the weapons that are left so each has a purpose. As a result, the SMG is also gone. There are already superior weapons in that range and the SMG is just a s------- version of the assault rifle. And without dual wielding, the SMG has even less of a purpose.Every returning weapon will feel a little different. The entire damage model for the Spartan has changed so every weapon has shifted some to account for that.One of the biggest changes is how the shield barrier and transition state is being handled. Previously you could get a headshot through shields – if your opponent had 10 points of shields and you did 15 points of damage, the remaining 5 points would bleed over to the head. That is no longer the case in Reach.MERRILL: Reach still plays like Halo, but armor abilities change the game so much. People will be surprised how much they miss them when the beta ends and they go back to Halo 3 and you can’t Sprint or jetpack or Armor Lock. They’ll be surprised at how well the abilities work in combat. We’re pretty happy about the results there.
>>746067784The largest common problem with those games' maps is that they are either way too open or way too enclosed, with poor item placement, which leads to stagnant matches at a higher level. Bungie were also really proud of shield doors for some reason, so they shoved those onto a bunch of Halo 3 maps and they were just awful. Reach has a lot of maps that are designed to be used with specific abilities, and suck to get around on when you select something else. Likewise, some of the maps with a more classic design completely break with certain abilities in play(the jetpack completely removing the interaction between rockets and sniper at the start of matches on Reflection).Everything is just a step down from what came in Halo 2.
So will we find out more about those goofy ass squid aliens in halo 7 or are they all going to be killed off in a comic no one will read while the story and direction goes through another change of course?
>>746052437Probably, after 14 years 343 still hasn't figured out that Halo was AAA friendslop. If they haven't realised it by now they never will
>>746067948>We didn’t want to create another “one gun to rule them all” which is what the battle rifle had become>so we made a gun that's even more reliant on single usage and makes literally every gun except the power weapons fucking uselessEven Halo 3's AR had usage over BR in certain situations, IN MULTIPLAYER of all things as well. Meanwhile people used DMR for every situation even like a fucking shotgun in Reach. >he replaced equipment with armor abilities>he's the reason we had to endure sprint in a Halo gameWhat a fucking retard.
Reach is fine
>>746068374>>746067948https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTm2IjBxbK8
>>746068374I still don't understand why they had to nerf the AR so much in Reach. The DMR was a tiny bit slower than the BR, so keeping the AR's stats the same as they were in Halo 3 would have given it a purpose and allow it to overpower the DMR up close.
>Halo CEA was ugly as sin with the best feature in the game to revert to the inferior gearbox port graphics. No MP.>Halo 4 was Call of Halo, we have Metroid Prime at Home edition>H2A was the least raped game on release, they did an okay asset upgrade.>MCC is 343s best game but it was non-functional for 6 years>Halo 5 was Call of Halo Advanced Warfare, we have Rogue Squadron at Home Edition,>Halo Shitfinite is an Ubislop open world game trying really, really hard to make you think it’s like Halo 3 (it isn’t)>Halo Campaign Evolved is worse than CEA because it removed its best feature, and plays worse. Again no MPThey wanted to make Halo a battle royale and scrapped it probably because they missed the trend. 343 has never attempted to make a Halo game.
Leftover files from early builds in the Halo 2 modding kit explain Chief's presence in the Quarantine Zone storyboards:Originally after killing Regret the Chief was to steal his Command Shuttle to escape and rendezvous with Miranda and Johnson. There's even leftover dialogue scripts about how Cortana hails Johnson for extract after killing Regret but there's too many Banshees preventing him from getting near.
>>746067765i never had a problem with recoil/bloom there simply was no need to make a better br when i already felt gameplay shifted to heavily toward mid to long range combat>>746067784>largely considered Halo at its bestim in the minority. i noticed that after the popularity of MLG & the BR in halo 2, the distances between cover increase, and the amount of extra paths and cover reduced. Valhalla is a perfect example since its supposed to be the next version of blood gulch. Instead of teleporters teleporting you somewhere else next to boulders or trees&a cave entrance, you are thrown slowly to the middle of the map high enough to be seen by most of the map. Skeet shooting players into an open field or into a riverbed bucket to be put down. The center of the map can see just about everything. the field of boulders is removed for an empty field. And the elevated path with a pillar leading to a cave is replaced with a downed pelican with narrow caves on either side of the pelican. one cave can be looked through from the center hill, making it easy to choke point yourself. the other cave entrance everyone can see you run half a mile to enter it. the Spartan laser is in the center. And each base has a rocket pod and energy drainer. leaving the center covered in anti vehicle weapons and BRs. And if you dont have a BR or sniper rifle on a map like that, you might as well be unarmed. this style of map gets repeated to make sure vehicles and close quarters combat isnt effective. im not sure if i mentioned this earlier, but it reinforces another style of gameplay of grenade spam to clear rooms because every is equipped for mid to long range combat and the short to mid range weapons are simply not consistent enough to be worth using. Reach further builds upon thisreduce the distance between cover, increase the damage and effective range of some of the mid to close range weapons, add some boxes, boulders, or elevation shifts and the issue of br dominance would go away
>>746067784Reach map design is pretty bad by halo standards and 3 is a major downgrade from 2
Classic Halo has never been perfected. There’s still room to iterate there.
>>746069335DMR bloom was highly flawed. There wasn't enough punishment for ignoring it, you could regularly punish people who are playing by the "rules." It didn't bloom enough or reset fast enough to actually enforce any real cadence.
>>746069592It turned into a slot machine. You got rewarded for rolling the dice more than you got punished, so optimal play was spamming the trigger, but there was still the chance that the gun flubs out on you.
>>746069592>There wasn't enough punishment for ignoring it,>It didn't bloom enough or reset fast enough to actually enforce any real cadence.oh, then i completely agree. this was something that was improved upon in 5, but for other weapons. where pacing your shots to maintain precision helped add extra purpose and functionality to weapons that were previously out classed at range.
>>746052437they need to just give Halo to a dev that is willing. the in-house shit is obviously not working cause theres no passion or talent anywhere
>>746069837I'd prefer it not be there at all, but bloom was handled well enough with the magnum. If you fired too fast, you weren't hitting anything.For a game trying so hard to be Shadowrun, they really didn't understand that game's spread mechanics very well.
>>746053976its actually quite impressive how many things they fucked upthe most striking for me was how phoned in the cutscenes were and how awful the delivery of lines were, combined with what is highly likely AI used in the development process to make it because everything just falls into uncanny valley
>>746053976they have never made anything good, that is how
>>746070123>>746069874We know that Halo Anniversary was made in 7 months and imported Reach assets in bulk by Saberhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8awSrFcnWo
Gaylo was never good
>>746070489They're talking about the UE5 remake you moron.
>>746052437>Halo wars gets a sequel after years of silence and just unlimited trash and fuckups on 343 part>expectations on an all time low>its fucking kino>in response 343 guts the story for infinite and brings back the main villain just to make him jobim still mad.
>>746071073it had to be done. halo 5's story hurt people's feelings. so they did a big work around to kill off characters in books and comics so they could buy a new cortana toy and make an entire campaign for cortana to apologize. the rampant cortana fragment in control of forerunner weapons blew up a planet and suddenly learned about forgiveness and kindness and while totally in character, allowed herself to be destroyed.
>>746064362Other anon said it. Halo 2 is the worst to replay because half the fucking game is waiting for a timer
>>746064362i agree on everything. >worse campaigncorrect me if im wrongwhen i was replaying 3 a year or so ago, by the time I got to Tsavo Highway I realized that the game had not explained what was happening in the distance. I dont think the game ever explains why the covenant is digging. And if you didnt see the old E3 trailer, you wouldnt know why youre there.
>>746069874>they need to just give Halo to a dev that is willing. the in-house shit is obviously not working cause theres no passion or talent anywhereThe passionate group that made Halo CE and Halo 2 are long goneJason Jones.Joseph Staten (wrote Halo CE, Halo 2)Marty O'Donnell and Michael SalvatoriJaime GriesemerMarcus LehtoRobert McLees Shi Kai Wang (Covenant designs and Halo's anime influence)Paul RusselPaul BertoneDavid Candland (Halo main menu / HUD / UI designer)Max Hoberman (Halo 2 MP)Chris Carney (Blood Gulch)Steve Cotton (Forge World)Tyson Green (The Library, Sniper Jackals, Halo 3 MP)Chris ButcherHao Chen (Halo 2 and Halo 3 water)Mat NoguchiLee Wilson (Halo CE, Halo 2 Beta, Halo 2 Retail, Halo 3, Reach storyboards)
>Halo 2 credits - Community TeamFrank O'Connor>Halo 3 credits - EditorFrank O'Connor >Halo Legends credits - Creative DirectorFrank O'Connor>Halo: Reach credits - FRANCHISE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTORFrank O'Connor >Halo 4 credits - Franchise DirectorFrank O'Connor>Halo 5 credits - Franchise Development Director Frank O'Connor>Halo Wars 2 credits - Franchise Creative DirectorFrank O'ConnorJust a qrd that Frank O'Connor is a former Official Xbox Magazine editor that wrote Bungie's Weekly Updates and then became Halo's franchise director, retconned the lore, hired Greg Bear, Karen Traviss, Kevin Grace and Brian Reed to write the Reclaimer Saga
>>746054845 if they had made one marginally good game in over a decade and a half of having total creative control over the series you might have a point but that isnt the case
>>746065285CE had the best designed weapon sandbox and they never managed to match it, every single weapon was actually useful
>>746054845>Infinite was considered a return to formThis got me. Good one anon.
>>746072739Seriously when did halo 1 have an upgrade system?
>>746072551i clearly remember reading somewhere that he was a microsoft glowie added to the force to call the shots in the name of microsoft and he just ended up scaling positions up until becoming the franchise main lead but its input from 2 up to reach was pretty much nothing.
>>746069874just let it die
>>746069089>based Halo 2 lore guyI'm convinced the real Halo 2 would've been awesome for this world at this point, even for back then. They aimed for the stars & the more that comes out, the more it seems like they really could've made one of the best games ever even better. I'll always enjoy Halo 2 but the game that could've been will always loom over it a bit.
>>746072040I remember not being sure about what was going on back in the day as well but I think the player isn't supposed to know at that point. None of the human characters know either. Miranda just says that the covenant started digging in Africa. When the portal first opens, the commander thinks they activated the rings. It probably gets explained in literature somewhere but I think the forerunner ship used to escape High Charity was needed to open the portal to get to the ark. Or maybe that was just was just coincidence.
>>746064362>Guardian is a worse Lockout>Blackout, Guardian, Construct, Foundry, Orbital, Snowbound all sucked as far as comp goes>Construct, Guardian, The Pit, Narrows were shitStrongly disagree. Halo 3 had tons of fun mp maps. I also think Guardian is better than Lockout.
>>746052437Studios don't make games, people make games. And the people currently involved with Halo do not care for Halo. I have no reason to believe Halo will make a comeback.
>>746059328>the turret was actually good for once.Stopped reading here. I used to drive my friend around and get him Killing Spree+ regularly in 3 and Reach.
>>746052851That was always retarded but I got monkey paw'd and was replaced by something even more retarded.
>>746052437What do you mean? They released a fucking remaster, that's not a new halo game
>>746073916How was it retarded?Show us your pea brain reasoning.
>>746052437Halo has been finished for a while now, anon. The last Halo game came out and the Halo Trilogy was completed in 2007. That was a long time ago now!
>>746073882either he is a good shotor youre a good driveror both
>>746073990>Last great halo released almost two decades ago. yeah... damn, it's done. We should move on.
I decided to play the original marathon trilogy instead of buying thisDid I make the right decisionabiut an hour ago I died because I thought I could get out of an ambush by just running down and opening the door and then the door no joke took an entire minute to open fully what the hell
>>746073978>we're getting our asses kicked by this group of aliens>but we were totally this super duper advanced race once we just had to start from zero>ignore that the other aliens also had to start from zero and yet they beat us in every technological milestone.
>>746074045All you ever really needed to do was not drive way too close to the enemy team for no reason. Most drivers couldn't even manage that.
>>746074248The other aliens didn't start from zero, they found Forerunner tech and reverse engineered it. Speaking of, they also had Forerunner engineers (Huragok).Only humans had to start from scratch which just further shows our genetic superiority.
The finish the fight diorama for halo 3 made me feel bros. Maybe one of the last times.https://youtube.com/watch?v=a3ZGGIdpfEM
>>746059328>All the weapons felt good and usefuldid you completely forget the REQ gambling system that contained objectively better weapon variants that were pay 2 win? faggot
>>746052437Don't make me tap the sign.
>>746074248>>746074535In Joe Staten lore, it was the Prophets who were reverse engineering Forerunner tech, and convinced the Elites to genocide the humans and serve them.Only with the Dreadnought and it's arsenal were the San'Shyuum able to put up a real fight against the Sangheili. A fragment of Mendicant Bias managed to escape his confinement, get into the ship's systems, and leave. He had hoped to go to Earth and help Humanity, but ended up crashing on the San'Shyuum (Prophets) homeworld.With it, the prophets traveled the stars, locating other Forerunner artifacts and eventually meeting the Sangheili. Only with the Dreadnought and it's arsenal were the San'Shyuum able to put up a real fight against the Sangheili. Millenia later, in 2525, the fragment "woke up" and tried to detach the ship from High Charity to complete his task. In the process, he revealed to 3 San'Shyuum, later the 3 High Prophets we know from Halo 2, that Humanity was meant to inherit the Forerunner legacy. With the help of some Lekgolo, the San'Shyuum disconnected MB from the Dreadnought's systems and, in order to hide the truth they just learned, started the Human-Covenant War. There is a deleted scene where the Prophets explain the Writ of Union between Prophets/Elites to Arbiter.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUYjeNWEb8A
>>746064153Just Keyes and Johnson. Keeping captain Keyes alive was required in that one mission, I had no idea they just removed that fail state. Bitch move
>>746052437It was finished with Halo 3, while ODST and Reach were fine, even the Bungie oldheads were changing by the time they were working on Reach. Nothing lasts forever, you can't keep a franchise going forever, novody stays the same forever, people need to learn to deal with endings.
>>746052437I thought Microsoft said they'll continue shitting out Halo remakes no matter what?
>>746052437Halo copied System Shock 2. True gamers never liked it and just have to play it with their schizophrenic brothers cause life is just impossibly bad for some peopleGod's tests are real.
>>746074854i guess you didnt play the game. Do you like Infinite's battle pass, much better isn't?
>>746075264I played the campaign once, maybe 3 matches of multiplayer and their gay "firefight"why would I need to play more, I know dogshit when I see it
>>746052851Yeah that's why we have the Foreskin.
Anyone think the inconsistency in the art design eventually started to hurt the series? Even during the Bungie era they could be fairly inconsistent with what they seemed to actually want. Take the Brutes for instance. They got a pretty cool design imo for the most part but not always. The chieftains look badass as an enemy design while in Infinite you got well, Craig...Its not just the art either though. The Brutes as an enemy type should have been a lot stronger. They look huge and intimidating but in actual combat in the games they aren't all that scary at all. They should have made them a lot tougher to take down with better and stronger armor. I guess made some of their other weaponry and tactics better during combat to. I think they needed a faster more agile covenant ally to back them up and make up for the lack of Elites as well. The Elites were like the total package enemy type for Halo. Due to story reasons though they had to pivot away from that. They never got properly replaced as THE ENEMY type in my eyes. Also one last thing is the grunts designs have always changed game to game until 343 got their hands on them and turned them into giant ugly toad looking things. Gears though unlike Halo had way more consistency in its style from game to game. Halo lacked in this regard.
>>746074535Humans also had Forerunner tech nearby and didn't develop fast enough to first detect it and then study it.>Forerunner engineersI remember them in the Halo 3 manual but not in the actual game.>>746074920>extended loreLeaving that aside. Humans being the Forerunners "chosen ones" would've been a better solution; provided they explained what the Forerunners saw in a bunch of monkeys and not the retarded shit that 343 did.
>>746075553>extended loreContact Harvest is the official prequel to Halo written by the same writer using ideas that couldn't make it into the game. You don't have an argument.
>>746059785100k years ago the flood was fucking up the entire galaxy and so the forerunners built the rings to kill complex organisms and starve itmillenia later covenant races develop on planets that had forerunner artifacts that they studied and came to the conclusion they had developed the rings to leave the mortal world, go to heaven and become gods, the covenant forms a religion around it spending centuries scouring the galaxy for more infomeanwhile, around the year 2500, humanity had a bunch of planetary colonies, but they were becoming increasingly rebellious and demanding autonomy, leading to insurrections and terrorist attacksearth starts ramping up its military, the spartan program in particular tries to create super sneaky fuckers to put down the rebellions from within2525 a convenant ship discovers humanity for the first time, but their sensors mark every human as "forerunner," convenant leadership freaks out because this debunks the idea of the great journey, they silence it and order humanity destroyed so that the covenant doesn't fall apart, human covenant war beginsby 2553 humanity is in abysmal shape, half of all humans dead, they come up with a high risk plan to kidnap a covenant prophet and negotiate an end to the war, they buld cortana as a top level codebreaking AI, keyes as their top captain, pillar of autumn as their ship, spartans on boardthen reach, earth's most important colony, gets invaded just as the operation begins, spartans deploy to planet, chief stays in space, pillar escapes destruction (but instead of a random jump as was protocol, cortana mindlessly used some mysterious coordinates she found on a forerunner artifact she was studying)halo 1 begins
>>746075553The prophets had a Forerunner spaceship on the surface of their planet.Humans had a structure buried miles underground.
>>746074952Because the fucker usually commits suicide by throwing a nade at his own feet making defending him in the original game annoying
Halo ended with Reach
>>746064597>give players no real options to take down vehicles besides rockets and a plasma charge I guess>suddenly players quit because they can't easily take down vehicles without being overwhelmed Or maybe the problem here was BTB all along...Halo is not Battlefield I can tell you that much.
>>746052437The outer side of the halo is criminally unexplored.
>>746075798>Halo ended with ReachIt was actually supposed to end with Halo 2. Halo 3 is just the last levels stretched out into the third game.>Joe StatenWe had this great third act wrap-up of Master Chief and the Arbiter coming together and defeating the Prophets and discovering The Ark, and this deeper secret inside of it. But it was so above what we could possibly do from a production point of view that it fell apart. There was meant to be a mission where you were fighting on top of The Ark, like it was uncovered like it is in Halo 3. So you’re fighting multiple Scarabs, going through a trench run to make your way into it. We had it all modeled out, we had it all massed out, this big structure with Scarabs sitting on top of it.>Marty O’DonnellAll that stuff was going to culminate and end on Earth. And it was going to be the end of Halo. We had no plans to do another game after this. It was like: this is how Halo ends. Contact Harvest, Cole Protocol, Halo Wars, ODST, and Reach were just prequels. Halo's main story was over.
>>746054841>>746054845343 and Halo Studios are just Microsoft Employees. Bungie had to fight to not be absorbed into the rest of Microsoft when they were acquired in 2000.>Bungie were negotiating to leave Microsoft since 2003 because they didn't like the profit sharing of Halo and were told "Microsoft doesn't negotiate with its employees". Devs were considering leaving Bungie to start their own company if they didn't have better profit sharing for Halo 2, with Halo 2 being the last Halo game by Bungie>Phil Spencer: “At the time they had big ambitions. They had sold their business for a certain amount of money. They saw what Halo turned into. And it's like, ‘OK, Microsoft benefited more than Bungie did from the success of Halo.’ There's no other story that can be written there.”>Jason Jones and Marcus Lehto were threatening to quit if Microsoft didn't make good on sharing Halo 2's profits
>>746075553>Humans being the Forerunners "chosen ones" would've been a better solution; provided they explained what the Forerunners saw in a bunch of monkeys and not the retarded shit that 343 did.how would you do that? in 343's lore humanity wasn't a bunch of primates, but an advanced civilization just behind the forerunners, and allegedly, humanity had come up with a way to resist the flood through genetic modifications and sacrificing themselvesso the forerunners choosing humanity as their inheritors does fit your requirements, but that would mean 343's retcon is acceptable
>>746076113>the flood is on the loose and cortana is getting raped by the gravemind at the end of halo 2 post-earth ark>"yeah this is a good ending of our series :)"
>>746052437>343 has fucked it up every time since the baton pass>Is Halo finished?No, but it's a zombie franchise for sure. They should have given it to id after 2016 because they actually delivered an FPS people liked, but they let the fuck ups work on it for another decade and here we are. Watching Gaylo become it's own Halo Killer because 343 can't even remake a 25 year old game they've already remade.
Halofags will never accept this but this series was normieslop, right up until CoD stole that audience from it and the series shat itself to death with Reach going "LOOK WE ARE SERIES SHOOTER GAME LOOK AT HOW MILITARISTIC WE ARE NOW PLEASE COME BACK CALL OF DUTY PLAYERS".Which failed.
>>746061549You're legitimately retarded. The entirety of 343 halo is based off of Reach because Frankie and his butt budies were leads on that game.It's why everything post odst is trash
>>746075432you dont understand what you are complaining about. You played Warzone Firefight which was PVE only. It wouldnt be pay to win. And in the other Warzone modes, just like firefight, the NPCs are consistently dropping special weapons you can pick up. Eventually you learn the composition of enemy waves and the weapons they drop and you plan around it. And from all warzone missions, they rewarded the player with enough req points to open packs after each mission, eventually providing you a nearly limitless supply of weapons and vehicles to call in while unlocking tons of armor, emblems, and other skins. Almost like a battlepass but better. Instead of grinding XP for 5 rewards every few months, your xp is req points that can be converted into a random selection of cosmetics if youre into that. And if youre not,you can ignore the system entirely and play non warzone game modes, where you'd still earn Req Points.
>Final Fantasy>Halo>COD>FortniteAll trash for the same kind of retards
>>746077096>he still thinks i even bothered with infinitehalo 5 had a pay to win gambling button, none of your arguments will ever matter
>>746077049Halo Reach had a better campaign than 3. Its multiplayer sucked, but it was the natural progression of Halo 3's mistakes. Halo 4 and 5's campaigns were good, so it makes sense if youre saying it developed from Reach.
>>746076621If Halo 2 had its planned ending, people would be complaining about >gravemind and cortana cliffhanger more than anything
>>746077194What would you win?
>>746077260you just lost
>>746077260Reddit Gold
>>746077303you bought req packs?
>>746075613>>746076295>You don't have an argumentMy argument is that Humans being Forerunners was not an interesting or good idea to begin with. I admit I have an aversion to everything that reeks of "extended universe". If they want a story to form part of the overall narrative. Make a game about it. But I digress.Halo's story is very simple. Humans vs Aliens and throughout the games we see that Humanity is on its last legs and all hope rests on Master Chief's (You) shoulders. Is the typical Indomitable Human Spirit vs the indifferent cruelty of the universe story. It doesn't need more than that. Now granted, the idea of the original Halo was to explore this ancient alien world built by an unknown civilization so I can see the appeal of revealing the twist that it had been human all along. The problem is that the sequels geared more toward Space Opera than just the isolated story and that's when the twist loses its appeal.Humans winning by their own merits is more appealing than them just "remembering" how to win. It could even tie into what the Forerunners saw in them. A species that could overcome even the worst odds.
>>746077408>My argument is that Humans being Forerunners was not an interesting or good idea to begin withI'm biased because the first time I heard those hints I thought it was a bit lame, partly because I had read some very cringy "humanity fuck yeah" circlejerky stories but was willing to accept it (also I have a soft spot for dune tier galactic wide narratives and lovecraftian space horror which 343's retcons introduced)>I admit I have an aversion to everything that reeks of "extended universe". If they want a story to form part of the overall narrativeyou can't spoonfeed the game's audience on what the forerunners, flood, convenant and pre-historic humanity were in a handful of cutscenes, or gamers with the attention span of a goldfish start bitching about lore dumpsit's like saying the original call of duty should have had a 30 minute cinematic on the rise of fascism, the NSDAP and weimar republic to understand what the game was about, nobody would want thatI think the hidden terminals dotted around the games with extra lore for the people that were into it while not bothering the people who just want to shoot stuff and move on were a good compromise, especially halo 4 which made them animated so that the mouth breathers wouldn't whine about having to readI agree with most everything you said, Halo 1 was a pretty good self contained story, 2 and 3 not so much but were well executed, reach was a meme, 4 5 should never have been madeoverall I don't get the aversion people have for the books
>>746077408Cool, very nice, lots of words. Only Halo makes no sense if humans aren't forerunners because the whole thing is based on the Noah's Ark biblical story.
>>746078032>4 5 should never have been madenta, but im glad they wereim only disappointed that we likely didnt see the intended conclusion of rampant Cortana's story. the detour for Infinite didnt make sense to have critical event involving game characters occur in books.
>>746078225>the whole thing is based on the Noah's Ark biblical story.Yes and?>Only Halo makes no sense if humans aren't forerunnersDo Humans have to be Noah?
>>746078949Yes, retard, the story is human centric. Even 343 had to go out of its way just to nominally repair the damage they did by making the ayy lmao forerunners a genetically altered offshoot of humanity. Halo is a story about humanity, both before and after the flood.
>>746053675Halo 4 played well it just had a weird retcon story
>>746052437>Is Halo truly finished this time?Its finished. That jeeta doesnt forgive sloppyness, and halo has been sloppy for more than a decade. The remake was the final nail to the coffin
>>746059158Every microshit studio is like this. Thry fire 90% of the devs every 18 months because that's their loophole to not have to pay people benefits
>Halo CE > Halo 3 > Halo 2 > Halo Reach > Halo 3: ODST > Halo Wars >>>>>>>>>>>> 343 Halo
>>746053976Reverse midas touch.
>>746059158>>746079369Bungie refused to let anyone touch Halo while they were cooking Halo btw
>>746079380Put 2 above CE and 3
>>746078359>the detour for Infinite didnt make sense to have critical event involving game characters occur in books.yeah, the older halo books written by eric nylund were genuine lore expansions, you didn't need to read them to understand the game, they just answered some of the backstory questions that a curious person could develop after playing the gameslater books felt like required reading because 343 couldn't bother taking their time to develop their characters, that's on of the things that made the games so frustrating from a storytelling point of view
>>746059712This. 1, 2, 3, ODST, and Reach. 5 great games, any studio should be glad to have a run like that. All these articles talking about “recapturing the magic” makes me lol. You’d get permabanned if you talked one quadrillionith of the shit we talked circa 2005. They want profits and nothing else. Far as I’m concerned Halo died when Marty O’Donnell left and took his sound with him. Reach is designed as a swan song. Some people just can’t let a good thing die.
EXACTLY AS IT SHIPPED 10 YEARS AGO
>>746052437Yes. Xbox fanboys tried to sweep this under the rug as it was just a low risk training excersize for the studio with UE5. No. It can not be overstated how much of a blow this game. It shows 343/Halo Studios can not even remakes of old games with much smaller scope. It shows Microsoft won't be able to save Halo by transferring it to Playstation, the brand is dead. The multiplatform release is also just another deathblow for Xbox (not like they needed it, it is over for the brand since 2024).
>>746061009You can do this for every Halo game. CE was 6 levels played back to front, The Library is one of the worst in FPS history. 1/3rd of the game is Forerunner hallways. 2's Arbiter missions were boring as fuck and it's unbalanced. Halo 3 was blatantly rushed and nothing happens for half the game. ODST was a meme DLC with gay romance drama no one cared about.Halo boomer logic>Noble Team in the most important and largest scale battle of the entire human covenant war = boring>Chief walking around endless re used sci fi hallways spamming shotgun against flood = peak gaming
>>7460795062 was rushed and had to be redone in less than a year so they scrapped a shitload of stuff and then cobbled some things from the remainsiirc they originally wanted to have a lighting system similar to doom 3 with hard shadows and a gloomy environment but the xbox couldn't handle it and so that got dropped, which leads to the god awful textures and lighting they had to use in the end
>>746079701And yet the original trilogy is much beloved regardless, why do you suppose that is?
>>746078225>>746079081not to mention the complete removal ulof the penultimate joint irony and tragedy that is the Convenient genocidal campaign against what are ultimately the direct offspring of their claimed gods which have the ability to harness the artifacts of theirs they have so long studied and attempted to unravel
>>7460795062 had fantastic writing and is a miracle it came out as good as it did despite the crunch but it is genuinely the worst one in the og trilogy gameplay wise
>>746061130>it was based on the gearbox port which itself was based on a months old beta of ce, if it used the original ce verson no one would complainHoly autism. No one gives a fuck about this or can even tell the difference. It's the same game sperg.>assets doesn't mean it's better because the assets have more polygons"Just because a game looks better doesn't mean it actually looks better">until people figured out they got conned by 343, againIt's sitting at 87 or something on Metacritic. It was considered a good game.
>>746053976More than a decade of institutional decay mixed with outsourcing to pajeets and a leadership team filled with incompetent morons who don't have a single fucking idea what modern halo fans want to play. In other words, we've reached a point where modern devs are incapable of matching much less surpassing the works of the teams that came before. They just can't fucking do it even when the blueprints to Halo 1 are literally right in front of them. This isn't even the first fucking they've tried to remake Halo 1 and they still can't do it.
>>746052437>no multiplayer in a game famous for its multiplayer >terminals are just lazy text wall >hand full of pay wall cosmetics in a single player game with pre-rendered cutscenes>to lazy to include the infinite vehicle seat swapping animations>bonus missions are lore breaking fanfiction>no attempt to restore cut content or add to the original Hell they if they just included a bonus mission where you play as Johnson escaping the ring everyone would of been happy.
>>746053976nigga they fucked up remaking halo 1 TWICE
>>746079980I also heard microsoft was surprisingly permissive with 343, they apparently were aware of the "too many cooks" scenario and didn't want some c-sec retard messing with the creative process of their golden goosethen 343 took all that incredible autonomy and budgets and ran it into the ground
>>746079748Millennials played it as kids, and they're good games. Doesn't mean everything that came afterwards was shit
>>746067689And then what? Really then what? Needs more than just this to fix Halo.
>>746079840>2 had fantastic writing and is a miracle it came out as good as it did despite the crunch but it is genuinely the worst one in the og trilogy gameplay wiseWhat's wrong with Halo2's gameplay?
>>746058093Maybe if they'd understood halo wasn't a fucking squad based shooter people would have appreciated the work they did elsewhere in 5.
>>746080181That may not mean everything that came afterwards was shit, but that didn't stop everything that came afterwards from being shit anyway. The undeniable fact of the matter is that 343 has spent the last 15 years chasing trends, trying to get out from under bungie's shadow and generally hating on the legacy they were ostensibly formed to preserve and build on, and all of this is reflected in every game they've ever made. At this point, and uneducated millennial with no game dev or business management experience who played these games as a child would manage Halo better than these clowns.
>>746080181>games were NEVER good, you're just nostalgic for something that never happenedplenty of people have critiques about the original trilogy: halo 1 being repetitive, 2 being clearly unpolished and ending on a cliff hanger, or some people being disappointed on 3's storythe thing is those original games got the fundamentals correctly and only fucked up on some aspects, while later games were intrinsically flawed
>>746080365People hated Halo 2 because:>No AR>No 3sk pistol>Cut levels (Covenant Ship, Forerunner Tank, Earth Ark)>Downgrades across the board to get the game to run on OG Xbox>SMG starts>Dual wielding>Arbiter being playable >Extremely linear, while openness is a hallmark of the series>Flood aren't fun to fight>Cliffhanger endinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lL6RYrYc4U>NOOBIFIEDhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocyYwLCDyCUPeople hated Halo 3 because:>AR returns but is a total joke>Battle Rifle is projectile in 3 but hitscan in 2>melee lunge>Demoting Arbiter to a glorified 2nd player controlled character>Truth is a completely different character, no Michael Wincott>Half of the campaign is filler>Both Johnson's and Miranda's deaths made no sense. Marty'O Donnel wanted them dead for story beats>Downgraded multiplayer compared to the high skill Halo 2 BXR >Comparing Crow's Nest, inside a boring military base to any of Halo 2's exotic sci fi levels is just a joke>Floodgate and Cortana are the worst levels in the franchise>Worse maps than Halo 2>Paying Xbox Live Gold to utilize P2P communications, which means that players are actually providing much of the heavy infrastructure ("game servers")>Reticle not centered >Low FOV>Bungie Pro SubscriptionsPeople hated Reach because:>Lee R Wilson retconned The Fall of Reach book>No Blue Team and Chief>Armor Abilities>Armor Lock>Reticle bloom>Motion blur>Multiplayer maps were campaign maps>Forge World maps were laggy and lazy>No BR>MLG hated it>No Ranking from 1 to 50>22fps at times>TU Update and Anniversary PlaylistPeople hated Halo 4 because:>Doubled down on Reach's gameplay >Didact and Librarian >Humans aren't Forerunner >Retcons>Short campaign>CoD clone with Infinity Slayer. No equal starts>Spartan Ops, Halsey, Janus Key written by Brian Reed lol >Less features than Reach despite releasing 2 years later>Ugly lighting engine>Forge Island is worse than Forge World
>>746080509Yeah I was there for it and almost no one gave a shit about most of that.Sure people complained here and there but they all still played the games and had a good time.Other than 4, people did not like 4 in the slightest.
Infinite had probably the best gameplay out of any of the 343 games but it was so fucking undercooked it genuinely baffles me what the fuck they were doing for 7 years. Literally felt like an Alpha Build at release, and still does 5 years later.
>>746080706I played the beta and honestly it did feel really good (especially melee) but then it came out that UI limitations (developer retardation) was preventing them from adding a team slayer playlist. I saw the red flag and uninstalled right there.
>>746080706Most of the work on Infinite went into building the Slipspace engine, which they bafflingly decided to have short term contractor devs work with instead of having a dedicated team because Microsoft's management style is psychotic. So most of those years were literally wasted dev time of contractors reading documentation only to get fired and replaced before mastery could be achieved all in an effort to save a dime on the dollar because shareholder primacy.
>>746077408>My argument is that Humans being Forerunners was not an interesting or good idea to begin withYour argument is you're a retarded faggot with shit opinions.
Halo 2 had the best art style
Gaylo babies are such fucking shit taste whiny bitches, my God.Wigger dudebros turned out to be such pathetic fucking thin skinned losers.
>>746081148Looks like complete ass compared to 1 and 3And that's without the terrible looking playermodels.
>>746052437Halo has been dead for 16 years dumbass
>>746080365I never said that, please learn how to read. I'm simply pointing out that its funny how the Halo games you played as a youngster seem to be the best and you have no introspection into why you might feel this way whatsoever, especially since I've already explained how they too have major issues. Also the talk about fundamentals is nonsensical. Each Halo in the original trilogy was like the complete opposite of the one before it. Halo CE is mysterious and almost like an FPS adventure game, 2 is a space opera, then 3 is basically just a modern military shooter. The series was always reinventing itself.
what's wrong with the remake?
>>746081384Bollywood.
>>746052689>same in-house teamLike how much of CER was even the Infinite folks? Weren't like 90% of them gone at the minimum due to contractor shit? 343 already radically changed during Infinite, at this point Halo Studios has the same cursed legacy but I don't think anyone is the same anymore.
>>746072739It received positive reviews. 87 on metacritic is considered good
>>746081605You say this as if any of us take gaming journalists seriously anymore.
>>746081683The user score was good too. Same journos had no problem shitting on 5 and Campaign Evolved but they put out one decent review and they're shills suddenly
>343 employees have explicitly said how malicious they are towards halo>Still blame incompetence I'm sure they are incompetent but that shit occam's razor has been taken to fucking extremes with these people
You can't understate how impressive Halo 2 was on a technological level in 2004. new physics engine, new renderer, new game mechanics, all new models and textures (except ammo pickups and the banshee mesh). stencil shadows.>Halo 2 - 2002 X02, the official Xbox trade showhttps://youtu.be/luhXojiSVC0?si=sugXRlwxPs9wdLl1>Halo 2 E3 2003https://youtu.be/QEgBlUxm128?si=d12GISXRdIyQDgec>Halo 2 Cinematics DVD (Story written and directed by Joe Staten)https://youtu.be/0ZeuyWZxaFk?si=H0Dfkm0c0UljzMSU>Halo 2 in 720p HD on the Original Xboxhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_nk21389u8>H2EK has Higher fidelity bump maps (found in H2EK files or were previously used in MCC) https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3361280895>pstencilthere is no remaining tech in the rendering pipeline from Pstencil. it was all gutted and replaced with a new system. the shadows you see in the arbiter missions, cutscenes etc. are shadow maps. A very rushed and simple shadow mapping system with very low-quality results.
>>746081384its pretty much a series of downgrades that pile up>voice acting is far worse due to a combo of the new VAs they hired not having the same energy as the old ones, while the ones they kept were horribly directed with the best example being cortana coming off as a professional with some humor to a disinerested teenage girl>cutsceens have a shitload of unnecessary changes such as how at the end of T&R chief is for some reason not on the drop ship while its leaving at first just so he can have a weird fight with the hunters keys splatters>extreme fucking hand holding to the point for some reason they decided it was a good idea to put objective markers on the invisible elites, ruining the entire point of them being invisibleI could go on but you probably get the point
>>746081803343 employees can't take criticism and just 404 their Halo 4, Halo 5 and Infinite dev blogs lol
>>746081781I've also seen these same journalists give absolute dogshit flops high scores, up to and including the biggest failure in gaming of all time, they have zero credibility. User scores mean nothing either because most people are either a) retarded, or b) paid shills from guerilla marketing firms. The only judgement on quality you can trust in the big 26 is your own.
>>746081887Halo MCC Updates that were 404>MCC Development Update - April 2019 (Reach)https://web.archive.org/web/20200903125808/https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/news/mcc-development-update-april-2019>MCC Development Update - May 2019 (Reach)https://web.archive.org/web/20200906131442/https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/news/mcc-development-update-may-2019>MCC Development Update - September 2019 (Reach)https://web.archive.org/web/20200903111443/https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/news/mcc-development-update-september-2019>MCC Development Update - December 2019 https://web.archive.org/web/20200903141845/https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/news/mcc-development-update-december-2019>MCC Development Update - February 2020 (Halo CE)https://web.archive.org/web/20200903115140/https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/news/mcc-development-update-february-2020>MCC Development Update - March 2020 (Halo CE)https://web.archive.org/web/20200903141642/https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/news/mcc-development-update-march-2020>June 2020 (Halo 3)https://web.archive.org/web/20210422055739/https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/news/mcc-development-update-june-2020>MCC Development Update - July 2020 https://web.archive.org/web/20200827151147/https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/news/mcc-development-update-july-2020>MCC Development Update - August 2020https://web.archive.org/web/20200930185843/https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/news/mcc-development-update-august-2020>MCC Development Update - September 2020 (ODST)https://web.archive.org/web/20201001110450/https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/news/mcc-development-update-september-2020>MCC Development Update - November 2020https://web.archive.org/web/20210306111832/https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/news/mcc-development-update-november-2020>MCC Development Update - December 2020https://web.archive.org/web/20210228190159/https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/news/mcc-development-retrospective-december-2020
>>746081887>horsepissBack when I had a twitter I got blocked by him by saying something like "someone who thinks tartarus was threatening to rape miranda is a fucking actual weirdo" on a post discussing that shit.
it's okay but that's 95% because combat evolved was already a solid game. using reach as their code basis and not even attempting to actually import the tags and animations from CE in any way whatsoever so they could minimize the workload was just plain fuckin stupid, especially since they already imported flood and brute tags straight from halo 3 as is. there's the occasional creative decision that's neat, but it's buried in the compounding issues of outsourcing the majority of the project and then rushing something into a barely functional state before GTA6's release.the hate is overblown, but it just ain't worth launch price. and i say this as mainly a campaign person versus PvP.
You can't just grab retarded developers and tell them to make Halo.Bungie wasn't an FPS only studio, they made RTS games and experimented with other genres like third person action, too. They were peak creatives and a lot of what they did was extremely unique which is why Halo turned out the way it did. Copying Halo to make Halo simply doesn't work and you'd need real talent to bring it something special. Having Ensemble make Halo Wars was a good sign that Microsoft really didn't understand this.
>>746081853The most reddit game of all time
>>746076621Joe agreed that bringing back the flood in Halo 2 was a mistake>Jaime GriesemerI think if we just kept ourselves to the things we cut from Halo we would’ve been okay, but we didn’t do that. We tripled everything. The engine was torn completely apart—for the first year of Halo 2’s development, we couldn’t play it, which makes it impossible to make any real progress.>Joe StatenWe didn’t want to churn out another copy of Halo. We wanted to do something unexpected and give people a view on the Halo world that they didn’t think they’d get, and make that really relevant for gameplay. On that score, I think Halo 2 succeeded pretty admirably.>Marty O'DonnellWe had a great plot twist in Halo when you discover the Flood. We kept that secret from everybody—it was a wonderful moment and a great reversal, as everything you thought you knew now was different.I told Joe that I didn’t see that in Halo 2. He replied, “It’s when you realize that you’re playing as the Arbiter.” But no, that’s not a plot twist. It just isn’t. I could never convince them it wasn’t. It wasn’t a good reversal; it was just a mechanic that was unsatisfying.>Joe StatenWe wanted to explore more about the Flood itself, which was a challenge because I couldn’t quite wrap my brain around it. I couldn’t quite figure out how to make them a race you cared enough about. And I think you can see that in the Flood sandbox being more of the same. I mean, no knock on Jaime, as he spilled tons of blood on the project. But I don’t think we really ever got Halo 2’s Flood right in a way that anybody was satisfied with.
I don't understand these critiques sometimes. Halo is still fun to play. It doesn't quite have the impact of the first 3 games but it's still a good time. I feel the same way about the Coalition's work with Gears of War.
Arbiter? Covenant? Writ of Union? Grunt Rebellion? The taming of the Hunters? Talking plants?Come on, Joe. Halo should be darker with a more grounded military feel. Reach is the best and ideal Halo.
>>746082256coming up with a completely original game and fucking it up is one thing, but taking an existing and beloved game and remaking it will inevitably draw lots of comparisons, you'll have people dissecting the remake down to every line delivery since they can easily compare it to the original gameI'm reminded of the live action adaptations of avatar tla or deathnote; nobody asked for them and they jut copy pasted the original story but then executed them far worse or fucked with important aspects of the charactersI can't remember when's the last time I've seen a remake get praised, unless it is to turn a dogshit or unplayable original production into something better, and this isn't the case
No? There is no 'finished' for these big famous franchisesThere will always be another one. There's too much money in the big names for retirement
>>746082596>I can't remember when's the last time I've seen a remake get praised,
>>746082596>I can't remember when's the last time I've seen a remake get praisedyou're either very secluded or you consider the stuff that's actual sales successes to be attracting folks like cattle and disregarding actual things happening
>>746082618the original re2 was basically unplayable and pretty clunky so my point standsoriginal CE is still playable on modern systems, CEA too
Halo was and always should've remained military sci-fi rather than veering off into Marvelshit.After Halo 3, they should've brought in some old school, autistic as fuck military sci-fi writer with a love of political thrillers; the kind of guy who wears tear away pants on a daily basis in case someone mentions Tom Clancy and told him 'Here's our big setting we just fucked up the shit out of. Balklanize it for us'Halo 4-6 should've taken place in the reconstruction era, across at least a decade or more, dealing with the Elites and UNSC trying to get used to being on the same side while dealing with their respective civil wars at home.Jumping immediately into 'Oh my science, Giganigger the Noseless (Who is NOT HUMAN, that was NEVER PLANNED, I WROTE FOR HALO, I AM NOT LYING OR MAD BECAUSE I DIDN'T LIKE THAT DIRECTION AND I'M GOING TO TAKE IT OUT ON ALL OF YOU; REEE-, ect, ect) woke up and he's got personal beef with humanity! Luckily John Spartan is here to save the day :)' is where shit completely off its meds and they had to keep finding new excuses to bring back both old characters and newer, bigger threats.Mil-sci-fi should always be willing to change protagonists because every war is larger than even the single most important person in it. It lets you see things from different angles, which is the reason the Arbiter was genius in Halo 2, and both Reach & ODST are remembered fairly fondly.
>>746082618>>746082754Funny how Resident Evil and Halo were both inspired by Alien, Terminator and Predator
>>746082596It's not even a bad remake though. I'm still really confused about what people hated so much about it. The only thing that changed dramatically was the level design of the Library
>>746082843>It's not even a bad remake though. I'm still really confused about what people hated so much about itBasically>Bungie = Good>343 = BadThere are a lot of good things 343 did with Halo 4, Halo 5, Infinite and Campaign Evolved but the fanbase isn't mature enough for that conversation
>>746082843If you're still confused after it being explained to you, it's because you're too retarded to inform or you're practising socratian irony
>>746082843the presentation, the art direction, the cutscenes, the AI quirks that downgrade their overall performance, the clearly unfinished nature of various things like the weapon animations, the voice direction and scene direction in general, etclike, it's not even "this is absolute dumpster fire garbage" tier bad, beneath it all is still a decent halo game, but nowadays if you aren't some 9/10 you're shit and people had the expectations that this was shitting itself the moment it showed itself off. i agree with some criticisms, the cutscenes are absolutely dreadful for pacing and animation, but people act like it's just the worst thing ever because they want something to be angry about.
>>746082884>There are a lot of good things 343 did with Halo 4 If you rip Halo 4 assets, and look into Cortana's model, you can actually see the bump mapping for the nipples and pussy. It is imperceptible when rendered in-game with the circuit bodysuit texture overlay..but it is really there
Halo was always mediocre and it introduced garbage like two weapon limits ace regenerating health to fps games for many years to come, ruining my favorite genre. Glad gaylo is dead
The remake is weird, the first half is just flat out worse than the original. But the second half is an improvement (except the universal things like the cutscenes and dialogue being wack)Inb4 "nooo dude my favourite level is Keyes they ruined it you 343i shill!!!" I guess.
I am 48 years old and I must talk about Quake
>>746082820>Halo was and always should've remained military sci-fi rather than veering off into Marvelshit.Yeah Halo 2 was a mistake.
>>746052437>whine whine whineeven halofags hate halo
>>746082916Almost nothing has actually been explained. Some of the animations are worse and Cortana looks uglier. That's the entire bulk of the critiques I've seen. That's fucking it.
>>746052437>Bungie magicthat wasn't them, the games suckedyou miss the advertising of the era you were the most cattle-like in
>>746082962>the first half is just flat out worse than the originalHow?
Is the MCC worth playing? Never played a Halo beforet. 36yo zoomer
When did you realize that Nylund is peak Halo?
>>746083012If you can't tell the difference between a single threat that develops in scale over multiple games and 'Shit, we need a new villain for our next hell in a cell match for the world championship' then I'd like you to hop off the computer, toddle over to your mother and ask her what she drank while she was pregnant with you.Because it's probably some fantastic stuff.
>>746083093it's okay so long as you go in expecting the dawn of standardization for console shooters. they got glitches and issues but you could do worse, and most people aren't hunting down emulation or old systems and copies to experience the games they were "meant to be" anymore since all those old servers are long dead now. plus steam MCC has modding.for like $10 on the regular sales, it's a pretty insane bargain so long as the games are to your favor.
Huh...
>>746083126fall of reach was kinothe flood was forgettable (I know, not nylund)first strike was goodnot a fan of ghosts of onyx
>>746083036The aesthetics, the voice delivery, the cinematic direction, the over-the-top action reminiscent of bollywood, the typical UE5 performance issues, the reuse of Infinite assets, the disinclusion of iconic lines, the needless changes despite the devs saying things like rock placement being sacred, objective markers on cloaked elites, sprint, ADS, MA5B magazine change for no reason, et cetera, et cetera.You may now proceed to weakly argue that some of these things can be reverted in the menu before making yet another post replying to no one how you still don't understand.
>>746083154Sounds good, I'm fine with old game jank, was mostly asking whether they raped the originals or something as remasters are wont to do
>>746083126I remember Fall of Reach was good, and First Strike was decent, but I don't recall any others.
>>746083239honestly the biggest worry is if you're in it for the PvP because the netcode is jank overall, so any impressions you get from playing MCC should be factored as not reflecting how the original games play at all. and while there's people here with a whole list of glitches saved for problems that will never get fixed (because microsoft wanted to monetize the whole thing and got told to fuck off so they abandoned it), at the end of the day they're mostly playable enough and you probably won't notice any major issues casually unless you stumble into some weird shit.or play h2 anniversary multiplayer, because they just sort of abandoned that fucker hard long before anything else.
>>746054845>Halo Wars 2 was awesomeI very violently disagree, I think it fucking sucks actually. The missions do not allow you to make the type of army you want, but constantly restrict the units you are allowed to build mission by mission. You can get the first reliable healing unit, an aircraft, and then never see her again in the next two missions. Enemy AI has powerful destructive abilities, like summoning a vortex of death, they can spam whenever they want, anywhere they have vision, and there is a bug that hasn't been fixed to this day that makes their abilities move at twice the speed it should, making it unavoidable damage. Your own leader abilities cost resources and can be leveled up to be more effective, BUT leveling them up increases the costs to use them. Which is a drawback that honestly makes leveling certain abilities like the group heal not worth it.The game LOVES ripping camera controls away from you to look at some bullshit objective, but DOES NOT pause the game or prevent damage from taking place. Forcing you to lose your entire army because you cannot react to enemies. God forbid you moved your force into the fog of war, because now they cannot even fight back but simply walk into enemy fire.>"Oh did you have an optional objective to keep these two tanks alive you started with? Well you have to look at this elite with a sword right now. Doesn't matter that you can see fuel rod cannons shooting at the tanks right now."The game ends on a no-build mission where you defend a point with units handed periodically to you. Which is so fucking gay and does not allow me to make my own army with all the tech you'd have in a fucking skirmish game. Halo Wars 2 has one of the worst RTS campaigns I've ever played, and I cannot believe people glaze it so hard.>"but what about multiplayer anon?"It sucks.
>>746083323I do not intend to do any MP whatsoever
>Dialogue almost an exact copy of the original. Can only think of a few lines omitted. Many of the original voice lines from lesser characters used again. Rerecorded voices from the original actors is definitely worse>Gameplay changed. It's just a little faster and uses some of the mechanics from other Halo games. Only actual clunky things are the ability to teleport to the gunner seat in the Warthog and in the Wraith >Same soundtrack as the original >Used Unreal Engine 5 as an engine. Didn't butcher the aesthetic as much as Anniversary but it's a little worse because of overused of metallic surfaces>Changed the level design of the Library so it's better. Slightly altered level design on Keyes for the section below the ship so it's more open. Also changed level design for the warthog run on the Maw so it doesn't repeat the same obstacle course several times which is definitely an improvement >Elites speak English like in Halo 2 and beyond instead of reversed Sergeant Johnson lines. Probably tarnishes some of that silliness of the original >Somehow these changes convince people this is irredeemable dogshit and the series is done for
>>746081853And that fancy lighting and shadow system was pretty much gone by the time they hit release.
>>746083347>>746082962>Campaign EvolvedThe intention is to remake CE-3 in UE5Bonus missions are just a test for H2
>>746083072The levels are damn near 1:1 and the Reach AI isn't very good. Bungie masked it quite a bit in Reach by making them cheating bastards and forcing them to do certain things. So you're just fighting less fun Covenant on a level you already know.The Flood levels aren't concerned with parity for some reason and it works in their favor. I can't imagine myself ever thinking "hmm I feel like replaying the level Halo in the remake" because I prefer fighting CE Covenant. But I replayed Two Betrayals through to The Maw today because I felt like it.
>>746083213>the cinematic directionReally? People are attacking that? The way you could actually see the escape pod descend to the surface at the end of Pillar of Autumn was so much better than the embarrassing cut to the surface in the original.
>>746083239the first game, halo CE was remade into an anniversary edition like +10 years ago with fancy graphics that I personally am not a fan of, but you can revert it to the original, and they preserved almost everythinghalo 2 got a similar treatment, they didn't ruin anythinghalo 3, reach and ODST are untouchedhalo 4 is a thing that existsoverall you can still play the old games exactly how they were originally, they didn't fuck with them to their creditit's just this latest attempt to remaking the first game (again) that they decided to start doing some questionable tweaks that has the community on an uproar
>>746083347>>Same soundtrack as the originalblessing and a curse. on one hand yeah they didn't actually fuck with the compositions which sound great, if still very 2001 compared to even later bungie games. on the other hand, Rock Anthem to Save The World is used for like, at least a third of the game's encounters and sequences for seemingly no reason but because they thought it should bookend every "cool moment".plus i'm personally a little eyebrow raising at the fact that they made it sound like they were rearranging or remastering the game's soundtrack and the early previews just didn't have that yet - and then come the final version not a single song is different.
>>746083458Sounds perfect then. Being an old fuck, obviously I'll play on old grafix
>>746083213>the typical UE5 performance issuesLiterally the smoothest UE5 game with lumen functional I've ever played. It's not hitching and having frame pacing issues. It's barely ever going below 60.
>>746083505>Literally the smoothest UE5 game>It's barely ever going below 60 (meaning it still does go below 60)lel
>>746083342then yeah, some minor quirks aside that you probably won't notice, campaign's the best side of the package to the point that it was largely the only thing that worked back in the 2014 release already. after the 2019 rework and major patches since then, i'd argue there's no reason to go back to the old versions now but authenticity, and some modders have done restoration efforts to boot. for a casual enjoyer, it's fiiiine. about the only thing really bothersome is the generic loading screens and losing the credits sequences of each game.
>>746058093Its really fucking grim
>>746083505It should be running fine at 120 in the current year, but you can't even manage a stable 120 with top shelf hardware. That's a massive performance issue.>but you don't need 120Irrelevant, it's indicative of a major step back in engine performance and dev optimisation. They're getting critiqued for it. They have literally no excuse given they have substantially more time, manpower and funding than Bungie did back in its day and still consistently come out with worse products even when all they have to do is copy 25 year old homework and spruce it up a bit.
>>746083213>the disinclusion of iconic linesWhich ones? I can only think of Cortana telling Spark to "sod off" >sprintReally? With Halo 1's notorious moonwalking you actually hate the ability to sprint? Fuck right off. >MA5B magazine change for no reasonBecause it's now more accurate. I mean, Bungie themselves literally changed it to 32 back in Halo 3 and kept the design going forward. The assault rifle was absolutely one of the worst weapons in the original game
>>746083393 Stencil Shadows, coming to a Project Cartographer near you!
there’s this weird delay when swapping weapons that kept catching me out and getting me killed on legendary. i dont even really ever do the noob combo. even just switching from AR to pistol there was like a full 2 second delay before i could fire and it was getting me fucked up. the elites and brutes with this “flick attack” with zero telegraphing insta killing me was bullshit too. in halo 1 the elites did this big upper body swing that looked like it would flatten a 7ft tall supersoldier. in this it’s like they swat a fly and it looks retarded and doesn't warrant the huge damage it does.also, no firefight? fucking really?im such a halo fanboy, i could almost forgive the dogshit PC performance, the flat and then overdone voice acting, cortana sounding completely out of character and instead sounding like the younger The Weapon from infinite, the DOGSHIT animations in cutscenes, and oh my god the Marvel Quip writing between harvey johnson and chief in the prequels (i was legit waiting for a “erhm… he’s right behind me, isnt he?!” bit). chief DOES NOT talk that much! it’s out of chatacter for him!!!
>>746083213>MA5B magazine change for no reasonI'll trade the 60 rounds for a 36 round AR that as actually competent at anything beyond point blank any day of the week.
>>746083552With an absolute fuck ton of enemies and effects on screen there is no newly released game in existence which won't dip below 60 for a second or two Halo 1 on Xbox was fucking 30 fps with frequent dips below 30. I remember those days. Do you?
>>746083738>wtf legendary is hard?
>>746083778he is right that the elite mantis punch from reach is shit and the weapon swapping is sluggish. for some reason everything just feels "worse" despite the player technically having the highest default top speed in the series. shit, enemies for some reason fire every weapon faster than prior games and heroic/legendary add in enemy multipliers intended for co-op play that they accidentally left on for single, so now you're fighting upwards to twice the enemies that can now all kill you in a second. something about CER feels like they just threw a bunch of shit together and didn't have time to playtest any of it in the rush.
As long as the pigs are willing to eat slop, slop will continue to be dumped in the trough
>>746083640>It should be running fine at 120 in the current year, but you can't even manage a stable 120 with top shelf hardware. That's a massive performance issue.God I hate you people. You need 120 FPS to game properly? I grew up on stuff running at 20 and below and that was fine. 60 is definitely an acceptable benchmark, particularly for an easy singleplayer game
>>746083837Anon, I'm going to do you a kindness here. You're talking to someone who read 'There is something changed about this mechanic' and went 'Hurr, ignore that, go directly to gotcha'Either they're retarded or they're being paid and retarded.Move on before they drag you into a long term mud wrestling match.
>>746083778ok 343 shill.there’s a difference between running into a corner like a retard with an elite or a flood waiting on you and getting clobbered when your shields are already low, and in campaign evolved where they literally will just bumrush you and cheese you with and insta kill attack. it’s fucking gay. even reach elites and brutes werent this bad
>>746083838I like this metaphor. Mostly because it's not like the farmers will magically buy different food anyway. If the pigs refuse to eat slop, the pigs will starve, cause slop is all they're getting
>>746083840>we used to ride horses, so what the $20,000 car you just bought chugs out and goes 10mp/h what’s the big fucking deal
>>746083673Sprinting only promotes degenerate play even in a small maps such as the context of halo CE.Its a mechanic largely tied to cover garbage because it really only makes sense in its mediocre gameflow; it has always been a tumor in halo.
>>746083769>Halo 1 on Xbox was fucking 30 fps with frequent dips below 30. I remember those days. Do you?I do. Halo CE was beastly for 2001. The scale and complexity. You can't understate that. As someone around at the time, people were struggling to get their top end cards with overclocking to run the maps at a decent frame rate and it wasn't uncommon to play the game at 20 FPS sometimes. Halo PC was completely botched. Gearbox broke the shaders to make them faster on GPU's of the day, then they decided to support fixed function GPUs, did a terrible job at it, and then when hardly anyone was using fixed function GPUs anymore, they decided to release custom edition and make the graphics even worse for everyoneBumpmaps in xbox and mcc are also in the p8-bump format as well whereas restored are 32-bit uncompressed. Chimera technically supports p8-bump now so they could be used directly. MCC matches Xbox because it uses the literal same tags (even bringing back the import settings bugs gearbox fixed).The environment_reflection_bumped_radiosity shader doesn't get used in HPC and MCC (The pixel shader itself is also just a dummy shader). It actually does stuff on Xbox. It would affect shader_environment tags where the reflection type is set to bumped radiosity.Halo CE modders have been trying to restore everything Gearbox broke for over 10 years. A lot of the MCC "fixes" were derived from their work.>I re-imported every bumpmap with p8-bump turned on and changed settings where needed until the pixels matched the Xbox tags bit-for-bit then I imported them again with p8-bump turned off, for use on Halo PC. Any visual difference is because of not using p8-bump.>bungie bitmap tags are not consistent some use the xgraphics compressor, others like the AR diffuse use the same compression as Halo PChttps://github.com/Aerocatia/halopc-restored
>>746084185none of this actually happened btw
>>746083737
>>746063327the thing is the suits and shareholders don't play video games. They just want money. Sweetbaby inc and other studios make them believe that adding woke shit will make them more money so they just do that. Not to mention the infection of woke faggots in studios and you have a feedback loop of people so far removed from normal people that you get games like veilguard or concord. Look at Hogwarts Legacy or whatever, that sold like 40 million copies and the woke faggots tried to boycott it and they even put a tranny in that game, in the 1800s. I hate these people who destroy games by not just making white people games and then black people making black people games. Not every game needs to appeal to everyone
>>746062193I've got thousands of hours in Halo 1 since the early days for this reason alone (and yes I only played it on PC back in the day)
Chester Bennington & Mike Shinoda playing Halo during a Linkin Park tour in the early 2000s.
>>746052437This series died when we stopped fighting Elites and they were replaced with personality-less Brutes
>>746085205No wonder he killed himself, being such a casual with babby's first FPS
I have to say, when I first played halo like 20 years ago and got to this part of the game, I wished it was a lot darker and more claustrophobic, as it was it didn't feel that scarycampaign evolved making it a lot gloomier was exactly what I had in mind... but it's only for this one cutscene so it blows
>>746085205I remember I downloaded some linkin park video with cut/unreleased halo 2 gameplay
>>746053976Outsourced to Pajeets for the millionth time.
>>746080351>>746081348
>>746082960Quake boomers still seething LMAO
>>746086052>you only like it because you were youngNo, it was objectively better than anything 343 put out. There's no getting away from the fact that 343 games were made by people who hated halo and fans pick up on that. Halo went from being a pioneering series to a trend chaser.
>>746063805It received favourable reception outside of your gay 4chan bubble. 87 on Metacritic is a solid score.
Halo 2 actually has like nearly two dozen different lighting models & way more texture blending combos
>>746086418no one cares about that gay shit
>>746086642niggerbrained retard stfu
Crazy to think that there are "fans" who complain 24/7 about 343 yet they still buy the new games
Why do Halo threads always attract schizos who paste the exact same greentext and list of links every single time?
>>746086886I haven't since Halo 4, I briefly considered Infinite before learning how shot the story was, and Campaign Evolved before learning of indian involvement.
>>746052437Funny how both Bungie and Blizzard pretty much ended up the same only difference is that Bungie devs knew when to quit (2010)
Bungie should have remained a nobody studio, halo ruined their soul.
>>746087439Video games should have remained a niche hobby, investment capital ruined its soul.
>>746087492
>>746052437Halo finished in 2012 for me
Halo CE is cursed>Halo CE is NOT compatible with Xbox One or Series X backwards compatibility despite it being the Xbox killer app>Gearbox port downgraded everything on an engine level and had to fit on a 700 MB CD (Xbox version is 3GB)>Gearbox did break a lot of stuff. Like basing their code off the PAL version>Combat Evolved Anniversary was rushed out in 7 months>Halo MCC uses Gearbox port and not the original Xbox codebase>343 spent 5 years trying to repair the botched Halo PC Gearbox port and Halo 2 Vista port within MCC but they were doomed from the start by using that codebase >No 5.1 surround sound in MCC>Halo 2 MCC is stuck in mono despite supporting 5.1 output & the cutscenes still operate on a fixed framerate despite the doubled tickrate which caused a lot of off-time effects/sounds due to rounding.>Campaign Evolved UE5 slop
>>746079994>no attempt to restore cut content or add to the originalThey actually did>Pillar of Autumn referencing back to the concept art really gave me a better appreciation for the added details>The Library is the mission that needed redesigning the most, >The Maw is more faithful to Lee R Wilson's storyboardhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDMp8lKzeWY
>>7460864181 and 2 look really nice with the (specular) RTGI shader because of this, which you should also not pay forhttps://files.catbox.moe/48yyq7.zip
I have an Xbox and halo 5 is free on gamepass essentials which I use a bit, is it worth it I never played halo except combat evolved like 20 years ago in the school library
>>746089135No
>>746089135I'm pretty sure whatever call of duty version is on there is better if you're looking for a FPS
>>746088884>screen space
>>746089135Nah. The campaign is fucking horrid.I tried it a couple of years ago, I just gave up at whatever the knock off Kamino from Star Wars levels were.
>>746052689Infinite was good bro
>>746089659lol, lmao even
>>746052437>The remake is also showing just how stupid so many gamers and modern developers truly are.Why?
>>746082943FULLY MODELED
>>746052437I just want my vidyanew halo isn't vidya
>>746089659bait used to be believable
>>746082943I bet the H4 Cortana highpoly is something.
https://youtu.be/_P-uOCKDTAA?si=nsKHPqQygpFrsnGvThis video completely destroyed 343's bootlickers
>>746092093>Humanity built the slipspace drives from scratch, the Covenant meanwhile came to them through scavenging.Neat, never thought of that.
>>746092461Pretty much all covie tech is forerunner
>screaming muh 343lmfaoBungie would have done worse lol. Look where they are now. You can claim that 343 ruined Halo, but Bungie ruined Destiny and Marathon in less time.
>>746092794Coping nigger moment nobody will ever be 343 tier
>>746092794Bungie also ruined Halo with Reach.
>>746092794>but Bungie ruined Destiny and Marathon in less timeI mean marathons og sequels were pretty mid but I wouldn't call those ruining.
>>746092940Don't let the 25-year-olds hear you say that.
>>746076621in the original ending, cortana committed jihad by detonating In Amber Clad and destroying High Charity along with the Flood.
>>746092794>Bungie would have done worse Bungie wouldn't have done anything because the series wrapped up with Reach.
>>746092919>>746092940>>746093082>>746093567>aksually they were gonna finish with reachLol no, they deliberately put a sequel tease at the end of 3
>>746094127How dare you speak to me
>>746094127Nigger my comment had nothing to do with that because that is a retarded statement.Reach was literally them shitting out side content because they had to.
>>746094127No, you don't understand. They made Reach bad ON PURPOSE, so they could stop working on Halo.
The only rational thing would be to put the series on ice for five years, make some UNSC side game or some shit, and then just pick up where 3 left off.
>>746094278Reach was the culmination of everything they wanted to do with Halo up to that point. It's the next step after Halo 3. It being bad simply shows that Bungie was fallible.
>>746094337They did put the series on ice for 5 years, to do the remake. Before that, the series was on ice for 6 years while they worked on Infinite.
>>746094414That's just how long modern games take to develop.
>>746094147I dare.>>746094278New Marathon has nothing to do with old Marathon.>>746094296Lol so now the kiddies claiming it was good are the wrong ones?
>>746092093Hi sabortooth
>>746094349I didn't know the culmination of halo was copying CoD because it sold more than halo 3.Just cause they finished the literal bottom of the barrel scraps they had left from CE does not make it some legitimate intended ending.Reach is an ultimately pointless prequel, intentionally so.>>746094469Not really sure you can ruin zero if you want to go with this logic. And even if you go with this logic, 343 also ruined halo by their first game numbnuts.
Sonic fans had to suffer through outright non functional games like 06 and Boom for years, yet somehow they're less toxic than the boomers of Halo lol.
>>746094686>I didn't know the culmination of halo was copying CoD because it sold more than halo 3.I absolutely fucking love that one of the devs came out and said MW1 and MW2 were massive influences on Reach this week. I've copped so much shit over the years from people thinking Reach looking like that and playing like that was just a "coincidence, this was a natural progression for Halo".
>>746094686>Not really sure you can ruin zero?Halo 4 and Halo 5 still sold similar sales to Reach, and in less time lmfao.
>>746094686>was copying CoDThat was only tonally. The gameplay changes were a mix of previously cut ideas, a reaction to how Halo 3 turned out, and wanting to make Invasion work.
>>746094852on a technical level halo mcc was much more broken than sonic 06 or boom. like it's not even close
>>746092794Current Bungie is not the bungie that made halo, cope
>>746094902Yeah and Marathon technically is like a 10x increase to the sales of the average Marathon game if we want to play the sales game.>>746095031Most of reaches additions sans a few don't really hold up as being the logical conclusion of trying to refine halo.It just completely threw out how multiplayer worked.The actual level design is pretty mediocre. The state of it makes a lot more sense with its actual context; that it was something they developed with some care but not much so they could run out the door.
>>746095241Yep, not even a little bit like the boys that made Halo.
>>746095697>It just completely threw out how multiplayer worked.Not really. Loadouts were there for Invasion, but outside of that you simply selected an ability to spawn with as weapon choices were the same.>The actual level design is pretty mediocre. That's been true for most Halo maps. A good majority of the maps in every game suck ass. Especially for the 2 360 games.
>>746095050>on a technical level halo mcc was much more broken than sonic 06 or boom. like it's not even closelmfao, you have no idea what you're talking about. Missing some graphical effects or some netcode issues is nothing compared to outright crashing because the game incorrectly loads shit.
>>746096436Don't make me kick you from this ranked lobby
>>746095241Yeah, it's even worse. They became shit leaders lmfao.Shared Bungie Staff (Halo 2 Marathon)Art & AnimationShi Kai Wang / Shiek Wang — Lead 3D & Effects Artist (Halo 2) Supervising Art Director (Marathon)Michael Zak — Single-Player Environment Artist (Halo 2) Art Director (Marathon)Christopher Barrett — Lead Environment Artist (Halo 2) Original Game Director (Marathon)Steve Cotton — Multiplayer Environment Artist (Halo 2) World Director (Marathon)Engineering & Core SystemsChris Butcher — Engineering Lead (Halo 2) Technical Director (Marathon)Ben Wallace — Engineering Lead (Halo 2) Central Tech - Engineering Director (Marathon)Eamon McKenzie — Engineering (Halo 2) Engineering Director (Marathon)Jason Major — Engineering (Halo 2) Senior Engineering Lead (Marathon)Mat Noguchi — Engineering (Halo 2) Central Tech - Principal Engineer (Marathon)Dan Mitchell — Additional Engineering (Halo 2) Central Tech - Engineering Architect (Marathon)Tristan Jackson — Engineering / Xbox Port (Halo 2) Central Tech - Principal Engineer (Marathon)Activity Design & ProductionLars Bakken — Multiplayer QA / Support (Halo 2) Senior Activity Design Lead (Marathon)Tyson Green — Mission Designer (Halo 2) Senior Combat / Systems Consultant (Marathon)Pete Parsons — Executive Producer (Halo 2) Bungie Leadership / Executive Oversight (Marathon)Jason Jones — Project Lead (Halo 2) Studio Founder / Executive Creative Director (Marathon)Tech Tools & InfrastructureRoger Wolfson — Test Tools Engineering (Halo 2) Central Tech - Senior Engineering Lead (Marathon)Tom Gioconda — Bungie.net Community Team (Halo 2) Central Tech - Engineering Lead (Marathon)Brian Jarrard — Community Lead (Halo 2) Corporate / Brand Oversight (Marathon)Dave Candland — User Interface Art & Design (Halo 2) UI/UX Strategy (Marathon)
>>746095241>>746095754Additional Department Shared CreditsCory Barron (In Memoriam) — Middleware / Special Mention (Halo 2) Technical Designer (Marathon)Damian Isla — AI Engineering (Halo 2) Engine Systems Consultant (Marathon)Paul Clift — Production Manager & Tech Artist (Halo 2) Technical Art Lead (Marathon)Robert McLees — 3D Artist (Halo 2) Lore & World Building Consultant (Marathon)Lorraine McLees — Graphic Design & Community (Halo 2) Graphic / World Aesthetics (Marathon)You only need to look at the credits to see that Bungie can't evolve lmfao
>>746096436>outright crashing because the game incorrectly loads shit.This was the launch day MCC experience. I've never experienced that in Sonic 06. Even today the Microsoft Store version of MCC has broken matchmaking. As in it simply won't find a game.
>>746096436You weren't there in 2014 where it'd regularly put you into 3v5 games when queuing up for 4v4
>>746096436>nothing compared to outright crashing because the game incorrectly loads shit.Sounds like MCC on launch to me.
>>746096501Try it fag.>>746095697>Yeah and Marathon technically is like a 10x increase to the sales of the average Marathon game if we want to play the sales game.Sure, and they wanted a 1000x increase lol.
>>746096784>>746096786>>746096807>b-but muh matchmaking!!!Bungie boomers don't know what a broken game is lol.
>>746096869what is this>nuh uh!bullshit are you 12
>>746054608>The recent mass layoffs and the Xbox brand tanking is an indicator that Microsoft doesn't in fact have infinite money and we may see their presence dissolve over the coming years.Is this how you come out and declare you do not understand how modern day corporate world works.
>>746096869Not being able to play the game makes it broken, that's right.
>>746096869Take the L retard. MCC on launch was an utter fucking joke that would have sank any other company.>matchmaking flat out didn't work and did bizarre shit when it did>broken effects, shaders and lightmaps for campaign>crashes out the assSounds like a broken game to me.
>>746096953>>746097121>>746097273>mentally 12 year olds cry because they don't know what a broken game is.
>>746097298>nuh uh!you lost
>>746096869343fags are so far gone they just blame bungie for everything that has gone wrong
>>746097298>>746097323Imagine having an izzat fight over whose favorite game sucked more ass. Fuck off.
>>746097398>>746097298samefag
>>746096694>>746096761What's your point here?
>>746097398That's cute
>>746097323>>746097337>>746097417>>746097425Bungie Boomers so kiddie they cry they can't play Halo 3 again... when their Xbox 360s are RIGHT THERE
>>746097459>more pissing and shitting while frothing in impotent rage
>>746097459You know Microsoft killed the servers right?
>>746097459>mcc wasn't broken because you could boot up the original halo 3 release for the 360What an absolute specimen you are.
>>7460943375? More like 10. The series just stops, no bookslop, no blogposts written by the Tartarus is a rapist guy, nothing.
>>746097891>no blogposts written by the Tartarus is a rapist guy,wut?
>>746098029Alex Wakeford/Harupis wrote a blogpost on tumblr or whatever years ago about how Tartarus' "One more word Oracle and I'll rip your eye from your socket... which is nothing compared to what I'll do to you." threat to Miranda was a rape threat.He got hired by 343i as a writer a few years ago.Also a post about Halo 3 is misogynistic.
