Instead of shitposting on /v/ why not download FF11 and give the best MMO ever made a try?
>>746053001it's shit outside of CoP
>>746053121/thread
Do I get to sex any of the NPCs like Prishe or Iroha? I'm deciding on if I want to self insert as a man or goon over a female character
Hallway simulator mmo
>>746053343You get an expansion mandated wife with every expansion
>>746053121
>>746053001Im still waiting for Retail's Free Trial...I am NOT going back to fucking HorizonXI.
>>746053001Because it's a dated consolefag MMO. It looks ugly and is a slog to play.
>>746053485The free trial is still content locked, all they did was up the level cap
>>746053413Time to become John Eleven and self insert into everything remotely female and attractive
>>746053365Imagine having a brain so addled by modern society and the lack of loving parents that you can't read normal numbers, not even roman numerals.>>746053532I wonder why they did it this way, the cap being 75 is great but really? no expansions? I still hope they'll adjust the sub fee but this points me back to SE still having no love for 11 and not wanting to do anything nice for it.
>>746053709I'm genuinely sure at this point Square Enix is really scared people will leave 14 to play 11 if they let people get a taste of the expansions for free.
>>746053754I've always felt that someone within the company genuinely hates the game and wants to bury it, every time 11 gains a little more popularity they make a myriad of excuses as to why it's a bad thing and they are not allowed to give it any attention. It also takes me back to the post-20th anniversary where they apparently wanted to shut the game down the next year out of nowhere, what the fuck is wrong with them.
>>746053001The best MMO ever made is Ultima Online, and I don't see the point in downloading a game I thought was shit after trying it over 2 decades ago.
>>746054063https://dengekionline.com/article/202505/42194I completely forgot about that. There's all sorts of conspiracy theories in my head but who knows why. They also don't really advertise FF11 at all either even though they decided to keep it alive.
>>746053001Imagine thinking anything made by Square-Enix will ever be considered a good MMO.
>>746054894It's an incredible combination of old school FF storytelling and world design mixed with dawn of the genre and early internet community focused hardcore game design. It's probably the most improbable game to ever exist when you consider all the variables.
sorry the FF11 chads have had to deal with a FF14 thread spammer in recent months
>>746053001A polished turd is still a turd
>>746055384FFXI's world design and storytelling resemble nothing from previous games.
>>746055831Oh? Well enlighten us then, explain how the base story from FF11 and each expansion individually does not resemble anything from previous FF titles. I'd also like to know how the love and care put into world design as seen in previous FF titles is also not represented in the world of 11. I'm assuming you haven't played the game and will simply be asking AI for help to try and back up your very thin argument.
>>746053001>posts Wizardry
>>746056250
>going back to FF11 and dealing with the most racist and biased GMs on the planetThere's a reason this shit died when WoW released.
>>746056462Wake up grandpa its 2026 not 2006, FF11 also didn't budge when WoW released, it had zero effect on it's subs.
>>746056290Why yes I would like two naked Prishes rubbing their bodies on me
>>746053001Ok private server or official?
>>746056891Official if you feel like paying and want to experience the entire game, private if you think you only want to try it for a day and are ok seeing someones drama filled fanfic version of the game from 22 years ago.
>>746053001Because my LS imploded, and I’m not autistic enough to 6box and too autistic to expand my social circle to find 5 other nerds that have a similar schedule and aren’t insufferable.Odyssey and Sortie just weren’t very fun because of Segpo busy work, and Sortie requires too much optimization tryharding to be very fun or rewarding to me.
>>746056462What the fuck did you doXI is plagued with many problems but this is the first time I've ever heard anyone complain about the GMs
>>746056152NPC focus. 10 worlds designed around pacing is not the same as 1 world designed around getting you to grind.
>>746057320Sounds the same as every single FF game to me, all FF games have you traveling a world talking to NPCs, they also have you grinding to level up so you can continue the story.Frankly I expected a much better response, very disappointing of you.
>>746053001I tried to play horizonxi and I couldn't get it to work
>>746053001I already put too much of my life into it. There's nothing to do but modern end-game and I couldn't care any less about that shit.>>746053529>consolefag MMOThe only good kind of MMO.>It looks uglyDon't make me post WoW and XIV. No one wants to look at that shit.
>>746057540>they also have you grinding to level up so you can continue the story.No they don't you fucking shitter. There is exactly one game that might need you to, and it's FF1 if you picked a party comp that needs to grind for spells to get off the ground.
>>746057675So you can beat every FF game as a level 1? You never have to level up?
>>746057815False equivalence, and there are several you can beat without ever leveling up. Grinding isn't fighting random encounters, it's deliberately fighting random encounters over and over for XP or money or whatever. You don't need to do that in FF1-10, those games made you more than powerful enough just fighting what random encounters came at you while following the plot. XI is fundamentally, intentionally different from that. Stop being a retard.
>>746058054>it's deliberately fighting random encounters over and over for XP or money or whateverI recall doing that in every single FF game I've ever played, not just for postgame reasons, but during the main playthrough story. I think you just need to close the thread, you clearly have some sort of mental deficiency that sends you into a rage when you see the term MMO and you've decided you need to hate FF11 because of it.You've never played 11, you've never given it a genuine look out of interest, and you'll never listen to what anyone else has to say because you have a self manifested grudge against it.
Tried it out a few years back. Didn't like it.
>>746058262>I recall doing that in every single FF game I've ever playedI didn't and don't. I don't do it in any RPG where it's not mandatory, and I immediately dock points and shit on games where it is, because that design should have died in the 80s.>You've never played 11,Yes I have.>you've never given it a genuine look out of interestYes I have. When I played it I was pissed off to find out it was an Everquest clone because I already thought Everquest was shit.
>>746058478The most disingenuous post in this thread
>>746058262I don't inherently hate MMOs. The problem is that you think MMO means certain immutable traits tied to being an MMO when it doesn't and never has.
>>746058632no u
>>746055831>storytelling resemble nothing from previous gamesOf course it does. It's all about the crystals and ancients and shadows from the past and time travel and famous people walking around incognito and the planet defending itself by awaking monsters and the last dragoon and the lady sacrificing herself.>>746056462FFXI peaked two years after WoW came out, though.
>>746058897How you tell a story is more important than what's in it.
>>746058546So what would you prefer? You go in, watch a few cutscenes, fight a boss and then log out? It takes a lot longer for developers to make a game than it does for players to play it. But if players aren't logging on to do stuff, then the world is empty, and it's not really an MMO at all. The entire appeal of the genre is that it's a moving world full of people. If the developers spend 3 months making content that the players beat in a day and then don't log in again, is the world really alive at that point?>>746058805He never made any comments about MMOs.
>>746059186>>746058262>you clearly have some sort of mental deficiency that sends you into a rage when you see the term MMO
>>746058546Like I said, you have a weird brand of autism that has set you against the term MMO and nothing anyone says can talk any sense into you. Just walk the other way, you are wasting our time and yours.
ITT:Hype man oversells an underwhelming game because he has sunk cost fallacyEveryone who found it underwhelming gets insultedThis is every FFXI thread
>>746053001I'm playing on Phoenix XI when it releases next month, I'll gorge myself on FFXI for a few months then. And then try to get my life back on track.
>>746059186I prefer pure sandboxes, but yes, if you were giving me the choice between FFXI and what you described, I would pick that. Whether a game world is alive or not is not as important to me as the game world being designed for playability and not to maximize subscription revenue.
>>746059281see>>746055831>>746057320You stated that 11 doesn't have story or world design on the level of other FF games, which is a straight up lie, and then you went on to bend your argument to say that it's because you have to focus on NPCs and grind, which are again both things you do in normal FF games.See >>746059323, you've decided to hate it because it's a MMO, not because of the content of the game but the term you associate it with.
>>746059395ITT: anon makes disingenuous 1 liner and then gets called out, only to get angry and keep posting
>>746059096No, it felt very FF-like, where you don't actually know what's going on unless you've been taking notes or you go back and reread who said what. Every storyline in FFXI is about you being recruited by rulers to investigate some foreign places and finding out a well-regarded narrative about the past is incorrect and you have to stop some dude from becoming God or something. It felt like the other FFs to me.
>>746059683>FF-like, where you don't actually know what's going on unless you've been taking notes or you go back and reread who said whatwhere did you get the idea that any other FF is like that
>>746059492>You stated that 11 doesn't have story or world design on the level of other FF gamesNot what I said. In terms of pure story FFXI is much better than previous games, because it was designed worldbuilding first -> story, and has an expanded arena to tell its story in. But it is objectively not told or presented the same way as other FF games, and there is no amount of story that will make me give a shit when the game itself is offending me. Its world design was also not approached the same way as other FFs.>and then you went on to bend your argument to say that it's because you have to focus on NPCsAlso not what I said. Do you think FFVII is a story about Rufus Shinra? No, it's about Cloud, Barret, etc.
>>746059483That's cool, but that's like me saying, "I prefer arena shooters." The point of an MMO is that it's an RPG but the main party is real people, like in tabletop, but you find each other out in the world (like in video games) instead of having to arrange for the same people to always be together to progress (like in tabletop). It's a pretty great idea and something video games should be moving towards. The idea of one dude controlling an entire party, sitting in a room by themselves, is not very RPG-like.
>>746059885It's time to close the thread anon, you don't need to spend your evening acting retarded in an attempt to disrupt people having a good time.
>>746059903RPGs are not inherently party based. Neither are MMOs.
>tfw super duper burned out to finish ffxi this yearI'm in wings of the goddess expansion. I really like the game so I finish it next login and resub after it
>>746059803FFVII is absolutely like that, I had no idea what was going on as a kid, I couldn't tell if Sephiroth was actually an ancient or not and I couldn't tell if Aerith succeeded or not, I just went with the flow. I knew people who didn't realize who Zack was. That game's about an amnesiac so that's to be expected, but the other games aren't significantly better. FF has you defeat the four fiends to save the crystals but it doesn't work and you find out there's a portal to the past where Garland/Chaos is siphoning the crystals' energy in the present to fuel the fiends in the past so you have to travel to the past to become the light warriors of legend - and it makes absolutely no sense, but that's fine. I mean if you just look up Final Fantasy headscratchers you'll find most of them have bizarre plots with time loops and false identities.>>746060171>RPGs are not inherently party basedThey don't need to be but that's half the fun.>Neither are MMOsI think Massively Multiplayer Online games lend themselves to parties. You might be a PvP retard, but that just means you're wrong.
>>746060293Enjoy yourself anon, wings starts slow but thankfully it gets better later on. Adoulin is a lot of fun too but does take a while to finish.
>>746059803If FF7 had optional multiplayer where one player could each control a character in battle, would it suddenly stop being a FF game even though the story and world were exactly the same?
>>746060639FFVI literally has this.
>>746053001I played it 23 years ago and it was one of the worst experiences of my life.
>>746057585>horizonblessing in disguise honestly
why did the thread turn into schizo ramblings
>>746061893Happens to every thread these days, XI has private server autists, anti MMO autists, and XIV players that routinely find the thread and then shit it up.
Video game generals belong on /vg/
>>746053001Is that Prishe?
>>746064979Yes
>>746060162You could try reading my posts instead of inserting ones I didn't make.
>>746067518>he's still haunting threads about things he doesn't like, acting like a psycho
>>746053001The free trial isn't out yet.
>>746053001Because I'm not interested in private servers and I'm not interested in multiboxing.
>>746053001Daily reminder that FF cannot be considered a “good game” under any definition. If you want to jack off that much to hentai just go watch some hentai
>>746061893A long standing XIV schizo [group] born out of one of the most retarded reasons I've ever seen on this website has been trying to rope XI into their shit realm for a while now
>>746067898Don't call a game the best MMO ever if you don't want pushback.
>>746068247>I've never played this game and know nothing about it but I NEED TO PUSHBACK
>>746053001cause the installation and account setup is so painful, i'm good on giving "the best MMO ever made a try"i'm happy being filtered
How much is the game with the expansions and the monthly sub?
>>746068527I played the game and it was shit. You can pretend that didn't happen but it did.
>>746068763It randomly goes on sale for 10 bucks, the fee is somewhere around 12 but the first month is free
>>746068813Yes very convincing counterpoint, you have definitely played it, it did happen and certainly didn't not happen.
Dissidia sold me on Prishe so hard, I wish 11 wasnt a fucking MMO.
>>746053001Currently subbed now, just got Dancer to 99. Also, Mamool Ja Staging Point Assaults are absolute cancer, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
>>746069839You can just play it like a single player game. You've been able to do that for over a decade.
>>746069839God I wish they stopped trying to make Dissidia a GAAS 3v3 game and just gave us 1v1
>>746053001My company is in the process of going bankrupt so I've already got my FFXI time planned for the day the doors shut. Already got it installed and ready to go, just don't want to waste my month of gametime till I'm officially free.
>>746054063WotG's prolonged release schedule was the beginning of the "Won't You Fuck Off Already" decisions(3 years to finish the Expansion's story), others being made around the same time frame such as Shunting Tanaka over to XIV, siphoning most of the talent for their other failed games, and Abyssea(the first chapter of which came out 6 MONTHS before the final storyline update of WotG in December 2010). Once XI survived all those AND 1.0 failing(if it was a success there is no doubt in my mind XI would have EoS'd soon after) they just kept it on life support hoping the faithful fans would scatter to the winds eventually, it never happened and now that most of the management that mismanaged XI and SE from 2006 - 2012 are long gone, they've begrudgingly accepted the game will just die out on its own instead of being forced to.
>>746068763I think it's on sale for like $9.80 on steam right now, or at least it was last week. That version includes every single expansion and add on, it's a complete edition. The monthly sub is $12 but that same complete edition comes with a free month of game time. It's absolutely worth it.
Unpopular opinion: XI and XIV are the only good mainline ffs since X.
>>746071176Nah I'd rather play any of them over those two.
>>746070826There you go, now you're using AI to help.
>>746054063>I've always felt that someone within the company genuinely hates the game and wants to bury itIt's sad because it's really the swan song of Squaresoft. Everyone who was anyone at Squaresoft contributed something to XI. It's truly Final Fantasy + SaGa + Xenogears at its core.
>>746071560The thing I find strangest of all is that if you reduce it to only the facts, it's a profit maker that you literally have 2-5 people managing and it brings in at least a million bucks a month, how can you hate that? What possibly could make you want to shut it down and hide it from the public?
>>746071560The only SaGa feeling I got from it was the opacity and some of the skills resembled some waza I guess.
>>746053001I will when I get to it. I've been playing all the Final Fantasy games in order. Just started 7.
>>746072253SE wasn't making the best decisions company wide back then, but it definitely felt like someone high up had a serious beef with the XI team. It is nice they are relatively hands off with the XI team nowadays though.
>>746072261A lot of weaponskills are just lifted from SaGa, and the Everquest weapon/magic skill up system is also a perfect match for SaGa. You could even say skillchains are a SaGa mechanic, though it doesn't get as insane.
>>746072253This. XI literally kept the company afloat for over a decade and still brings in massive profit for little investment. They have no reason to stop. The other anon is full of shit - SE doesn't hate XI, they owe their current existence to it and have pledged to support it as long as they can because it kept them afloat.
>>746072471Anon they admitted to planning to shut it down after the 20th anniversary, it was outcry from the players that got them to stop.
>>746072939Probably the same people who want to get rid of Y'shtola
Baffles me that the free trial doesn't cover up to at least CoP, you could have people form communities around 75 cap content (even though many of the uncapped missions are unfortunately trivial now, and trusts are too strong compared to players imo). I'm sure it would lead to more people getting invested and playing the full game.
>>746053001I've played plenty of it, and it's shit. It's just one never ending grind, like all other MMOs.
>>746053001Playonline was aids in 2002 and its still aids now. The game itself while having soul isn't really that fun compared to classic wow that came out 2 years after it.I played both games in that era and FF11 felt far worse to play
>>746076101Uh huh, it just felt worse ok?
so just to be clear we are ALL playing on Phoenix when it launches next month right?
if an mmo has:raiding (apart from event world bosses for fun)more than 1 quest per character level averagea maximum theoretical progression cap that is not based on a physical hardware limitationits simply not a good mmo
>>746076835Sorry I'm playing retail
>>746076835No I'm not trans.
>>746078615AND YET YOU POST ON 4CHANCURIOUS
I don't get why people dislike vanaboutIt's neat having to run around and do esoteric content that nobody ever doesMaybe if you've been around for a while it's a pain, and I'll admit the daily star/cloudy/etc. orb shit is bad with how congested the BCs are, but otherwise it's short, neat, and has insanely good rewards
>>746079951I think most people are fine with it, it's fun and free stuff, but you have the turbo autists who are logged in 24/7 on 6 accounts and have 481,000 forum posts who will literally never be happy about anything who have to whine.
>>746075779Eh the free trial is only 14days, most new players probably wouldn't even get through Genkai 1 let alone hit 75. If it was basically unlimited like XIV's is I could see them changing it though.
How's the solo experience on this unc game? Is the NPC companion still bare bones?
>>746080615The Companion has been supplanted by Trusts who depending on the trust are good enough to do a good 95% of the content they are allowed in. Wish they'd retool the Companion so they can become as OP as Shantotto II is.
>>746080783So what's it's like? Can they level up with the player without a summon time limit? I don't recall the details 10 years ago, but the summon did have a limit.
>>746080894Trusts are the level you are when they were summoned and don't level up with you, you have to resummon them to reflect your new level. Unlike the Adventuring Fellow there is no time limit on Trusts, but to unlock them you need to get the Cipher for the corresponding character and turn it into a Trust NPC. This link will explain everything you need to know about the trust system and how to acquire the Cipher you need for a specific trust.>https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Category:Trust
>>746081184Reading all that, I realize that it is futile to replicate the good old days with bygone companions using NPCs. Thanks.
>>746080606they ARE changing it to be unlimited which is why that anon is angry
>>746069895Nah, at least it's not the one where you have to find a lost item on the ground, with only vague hints as to its vicinity.
>>746081297Without being able to create parties on a trial account does it really matter though?>>746081445I'll take that one over having to sit in front of a gate and hope they break it with their weapons or feed them TP to hopefully use Firespit multiple times.
>>746056462JP ONRY
Is there anywhere to actually get .dats anymore outside of Discord?
abyssea ruined the game
>>746081871You'd have to dig through the old internet and try to find them.
>>746053001It's way too old and it's not available on switch 2 unlike ff14.
tried playing this with a "friend" and he just wiki'd every single little thing about the game, so whenever we played together he would just be like the wiki says we should do this now and it was cringe. someone did give me like a mil gil but its like whats the point of playing a game with exploration if u dont wanna explore
Does it still use that weird ass launcher service?
>>746082909God I hate those kinds of people. I know a few people like that and I can't play anything with exploration with them. >>746083047yes
>>746083108>yesIs it really that bad or is it people just being annoyed with it after all this time?
>>746083108yea its lame. anyways. i started with a c@ but i wanna play a humie now, have they introduced race changes yet and how much is it gonna cost me..
>>746082381Dammit, that is what I was afraid of. Thanks anyway anon.>>746083108The only time I don't blame someone for using the wiki in regards to exploration is Attowa Chasm - climbing Parradamo Tor in particular. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to waste time trying to figure out how to climb that stupid mountain on their own when they are on a time limit.
>>746083129not that anonny but the launcher isnt that bad, just follow the instructions? the only issue i ever had with it was forgetting my pw
>>746083129It's not that bad and the people who tell you how horrible it is have never actually touched it and are just repeating shit they've heard secondhand for a decade. You literally just input your account ID and password one time and it autosaves it and you never do it again. Then every time you open the launcher you click the shortcut that takes you straight to the XI login screen.
>>746083163I'm sure there are Windower/Ashita plugins that will let you race change client side.
>>746083196I do recall an anon finding some and posting a link here a year or two ago, so some of them are out there. Unfortunately I think most are lost to time.
>>746083781I got the HD Avatars but I couldn't find any of the Elvaan F .dats unfortunately. Will Admit it was hilarious summoning Shiva when I hadn't logged in for a couple months and I was like, Damn was she always this busty? No HD Siren is a shame though.
>>746083163they did recently add race changes, forget how much it costs but probably at least $10
somebody talk me out of buying wardrobe 6I play BLU, COR, GEO, WAR, and starting SCH now and waiting for a future Relic 3 vanabout ticket for RDM
>>746053001>3/5 on Malignance gear, got all weapons and earringI never want to see this fucking bitch again, holy fuck.Also, what's a good class to get the AF+3 kupon on? I got RDM last time, I'm thinking of WAR this time.
>>746083852I only have pictures of the Elv dats too unfortunately, they seem relatively new so hopefully they aren't buried on sites from 2006. With how much effort was put into them they can't have been totally forgotten, they have to exist somewhere out there.
>>746083979it's just one more wardrobe bro, treat yourself
>>746084183I've still got like 10 slots left on 5, but you make a good argument>>746083982WAR can use 3/5 of them to good effect
I played ffxi and ended up literally getting people to grind equipment for me for cyber...Wake up to an orchido kote after I talked.about playing mnk a bit >stayed up all night farming let me know what you think!Im sorry drangelus if your still alive.Asparagus and deceit were names lol....Playing brd in full wedding gear was always fun since no one cared since your brd 12 hr japanese sessions.....Fuck take me back
>>746083258What the fuck are you talking about? That shit took FOREVER to download the game.
>>746069940Playing with other people isn't the problem with it being an MMO for most people you dumbass nigger.
>>746053121Sorry but Naja Salaheem is bae and Corsair is my favorite class. It's trash past ToAU
>>746053001Can I fuck prishe in it
>>746056290I want Prishe to moan in her slag british accent
>>746081871I have most of the Lowtech armor sets, there's also some later obscure sets like blu/dnc/sch but they're vanilla body conversions. I'll upload what i have maybe later today or in some other thread.
>>746071560i was playing through a bunch of square's late 1990's games and i could draw lines between choices in vagrant story and threads of fate to ffxi. ffxi really was a culmination of everything square had done up until that point. imo xi is the swan song of the og squaresoft, a perfect encapsulation of everything that made squaresoft the best at the time.
>>746092904I don't and didn't see it.
>>746054894Lucky for you, FFXI is squaresoft product
>>746092904I don't think the SaGa series culminates in an MMO that has the opposite design philosophy from SaGa.
>>746092452https://mega.nz/folder/MYAxWSSL#n5SAsG2pOKhmeUJ_3sASVwhttps://github.com/voliathon/AltanaViewernvm Ok i uploaded most of the main stuff i got from neko sentai.You'll have to translate each piece and use altanaviewer to figure out the directory of what dat you want to replace. I use xivpivot to create an overwrite folder for mods and the dressup plugin to switch my character model in game.
>>746054894XI was the last non-enix FF
an anon in a previous thread linked https://xim.pages.dev/?mode=game and it's pretty addictingbasically just go through multiple floors as a BLU and each floor gives a new spell and/or permanent upgrade + gear with random statsmore fast-paced than normal XI but still has skillchains/MBs/etc.pretty fun as a side thing, would recommendthe 3-boss Empty floor fucked me up for a while
