Did consoles hold Elden Ring back graphically?
But the game looks good, on my ps5. Also runs smooth.
>>746054192the game ran like shit on cutting edge PCs when it came out. so if anything it was too ambitious even for PC not held back by consoles. but the ps4 and xbone rly did hold back a lot of games
>>746054192yes>>746054984only because they suck ass at optimization
I love the implication that a console is holding graphics back. As if any developer gives two shits about pc.
Im playing on ps5 right now and its not much better, tries to keep 60 but very choppy
>>746057915this. rollslop games are for console cattle
>>746054192yeah because the 3 second full stop frames on PC is so much better
the real crime here is why fromsoft thought people would naturally think to roll into a fucking bush to find an NPC. I spent 5 minutes trying to see where he was and moved on with my life.
based consoles forcing codejeets to optimize their slop for reasonably priced hardwaremindless (N)PC hyperconsumers deserve UE5 and mandatory meme tracing
>>746057915Outside of COD, games sell more on PC
>>746054192The engine is like 20 years old, I doubt it.
>>746054192Graphics are mostly being held back by realism retards wanting to do shit FOR REAL that still don't look as nearly as good as trickery.Planar reflections absolutely demolish raytracing if your goal is to draw bodies of water, and if your game don't have realtime time of day, static lighting still absolutely fucking rape RT.We traded visual quality for obsession.
>>746054192Consoles don't hold back graphics, normies who are perfectly content with playing games at 720p (upscaled to 4k, ofc) at 18fps hold back graphics.
>>746054192Consoles have held literally every game ever released on them back.
>>746062067*licensesYour kin is goy cattle, no excetions.
>>746062837consoles are literal DRM boxes and you niggers can't get enough of your corps raping you.
>>746062837That's every piece of software.Copyright was not very strong in 1970, so IBM created this legal demon, and every software use it.From the atari cartridges to the game released today, all of em use it.
>>746062450Videogames wouldn't be possible without consoles. It's like saying that God could have made the world better. No, this is the only possible world, my dude.
>>746063790>Steamie once again being dishonest not mentioning Steam has DRM as wellAnd your next cope will be that you can remove it with some ease as if magically erases the fact of having DRM when delivered by your overlord.
>>746063797>That's every piece of software.Nah, you own those discs and carts you bought pre-steam advent. Imagine that people with windows 7's discs; they didn't know back then but have the best and last windows worth using
>>746054984>the game ran like shit on cutting edge PCs when it came outNo it didn't, my PC was not a spring chicken when I played it at launch and it ran smooth as butter
>>746054192All I know is every single one of fromsoft’s rollslop runs like shit. I don’t know what kind of shit head japs Teryaki has coding his games but at least the demakes can actually hold a steady framerate.
>>746064223If you truly own your discs, why can't you legally copy em?
>>746064321>why can't you legally copy em?You can. You forgot why piracy got out of hand in the 90s?
>>746054984It ran well on my PC from 2016. I don't know where this meme came from
>>746064443>It ran well on my PC from 2016no it didn't
>>746062450Meanwhile the last PC exclusive, Crysis, sold so bad on PC that they had to sell out to EA and become a console studio.PCfags not buying games unless they are 95-100% off is what's holding PC gaming back.
>>746065728Ryzen 1700GTX 108016GB RAM60+ FPS with occasional dips to 40 on ultra preset. And I played on day 1
>>746064428Legally you can't.If you tried to do this as a company in the 90's, you would be sued.If was legal, there would be legal mass piracy everywhere.
You can't count the individual hairs on characters arms and the lighting isn't a physically accurate simulation but who the fuck cares the game still looks great.
>>746066528>60+ FPS with occasional dips to 40like I saidkeep in mind you had a pleb resolution tooeven today on top of the line PCs it doesn't run great, something really weird is going on in that game
Bloodborne, Dark Souls 3, Sekiro, Elden Ring, and Elden Ring Nightreign had to run on base PS4 Jaguar CPU that helped AMD avoid bankruptcy
>>746066619Artistically speaking Dark Souls, Bloodborne, Sekiro and Elden Ring are peak From
>>746054192Maybe, but I don't really think it matters. The art direction overcame any issues with graphical fidelity. That's how it should have always been, with all developers. Sadly, few understand this.
>>746066605>Legally you can't.Legally I can everything I want with my property. You're thinking on stuff that involves money as gainLegally I own the product I paid for. You're thinking on owning the IP. ishygddt
>>746066698Yeah, on a PC from 2016 running ultra graphics. Also I recently upgraded to a 5070ti and it runs at constant 110-120fps with ray tracing on 1440p.
>>746066904>Yeah, on a PC from 2016 running ultra graphics. Also I recently upgraded to a 5070ti and it runs at constant 110-120fps with ray tracing on 1440p.What game?Elden Ring and the engine only run at 60fps
>>746066845No you can't, you bought a license, not the software, the media you got "for free", but what you purchased was a license that can't be transferred.You might try to fight it off but it's you versus giant corporate lawyer teams.
>>746066904>constant 110-again you're proving me right lol
>>746054192I didn't even know there was an xbone version.
>>746054319>But the game looks good, on my ps5. Also runs smooth.The PS5 version runs at 40-45 FPS, you should use PS4 version. But yeah, I can imagine anything above 30 FPS feels smooth on console and honestly as a Steam Deck owner, 45 FPS is the sweet spot.
>>746054192>MUH GRAPHICSThese games look worse than ten year old shit. Not that good graphics make a game more fun.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wAqhQW01RE
>>746067017>>746067317Seems like you have no intention on arguing in good faith. I don't even know why you're here in the first place
>>746062837The exe is on my computer and there is fuck all a corporation can do if I copy it onto every drive I own.
>>746067460The framerate for ER is capped at 60fps.
>>746067412steam deck is 90hz isn't it? so 45fps is the 30fps of a 60hz display basically>>746067460you literally admitted you're wrong. you have a 4k GPU struggling to run a decade old game that is graphically mid at 1440p 144fps
>>746067519mods fix that
Demon's Souls remake mogs anything FROM has made if you want to talk raw graphics and performance but we all have seen how shit the art direction is.
No, the open world slop did
>>746054192The ps1 wouldn’t even hold this game back. It looks like total shit and it’s embarrassing that it runs as poor as it does with that in mind.
>>746067279>No you can't, you bought a license, not the software, the media you got "for free", but what you purchased was a license that can't be transferred.Yes, I can; I bought the software in the form of a product. Again; you're thinking on the IP (that's where the "you don't own the software" comes from).>You might try to fight it off but it's you versus giant corporate lawyer teams.Which it's only an issue when it comes to economic gain from my part, which doesn't exists since I buy to own not to resell at higher price than brand new at retail.
>>746067709Bluepoint had original Demon’s Souls ported 1:1 to PS4 Pro and had it running at 60fps but Sony didn’t want to release that build. PS5 remake only.Demon's Souls Remake for PlayStation 5 has performance configuration settings on the disc for running the game on PlayStation 4. None for PC. There are references elsewhere to the Windows build.https://xcancel.com/manfightdragon/status/1579962205902372864
>>746054192Anon, it's a from slop game. None of them run well at all.
>>746067485>The exe is on my computer and there is fuck all a corporation can do>tiny shred of code enters your computer>computer is now fucked up and files basically goneThis is why physical is always superior; since they're closed enviroment something like that can't happen. Then you only need to back it up or make copies for the data in case if losing physical media is that much of a concern to you
>>746054192You want the game to look better?Fuck off. We've hit a plateau, anything more would extend development time significantly.
>>746068025>We've hit a plateau, anything more would extend development time significantly.If anything they went already beyond long ago; they need to go back instead.
consoles hold all games back. but it's a good thing since it means devs have to not be retarded. if pc gaming only existed you'd see every game be 200+gb with 4k textures.
It's okay, we will have a path tracing mod soon. Right after the ds3 version is finished.
>>746067954>he doesn't have backups of his important shitWhat are you gonna do when your wife's boyfriend accidentally steps on your games in a moment of heated passion? There's fuck all you can do about a snapped cd
>>746068403>he doesn't have backups of his important shitWhat makes you think people do that? It's not the 90s anymore.>There's fuck all you can do about a snapped cdJust like a busted HDD; it's a nothing burger "issue".>being married at all
>>746062373is that Bobby Hill?
>>746062837PC is the only platform where you can actually own your games, because you just tell whatever DRM is on there to fuck off. Sony on the other hand can just update the firmware of your cuck box and block you from reading you discs if they wanted to.
>>746054192Yes, as is the case for pretty much all "9th gen" games, since they were all released on ps4/xbone as well for the majority of the generation. elden ring had to release on the same hardware that could barely handle bloodborne, so yes, it was absolutely held back.
>>746068837>PC is the only platform where you can actually own your games, because you just tell whatever DRM is on there to fuck off.DRM is inevitable; it's how the devs or publishers want their software be experienced. Bad news; if the software is digital only, that's DRM at work, baby. You can only cope by removing the security side of DRM, but it's just that... a cope.For things like these GoG is the only way for digital, or piracy; what they offer is completely free of security drm crap for being only digital
>>746069321Physical don't guarantee execution, specially on modern consoles.
>>746068837>block you from reading you discs if they wanted toLiterally illegal in Europe
>>746069492Only an idiot is on modern gaming, consoles or PC.
What was the original vision for Dark Souls 2? Including the dynamic lighting and shadows. Redpill me.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3MdOBH-jDc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59eLW1IGUCU
>>746057915PCfags used to brag about how every game looked better on PCNow they bitch that consoles are "holding games back" because they look the same on PCThe reality is that consoles closed the gap and it's simply not worth the extra time or effort to make a PC-specific version of the game
Is water wet?
>>746074118>The reality is that consoles closed the gap Not even close, it's low settings all around, other than texture resolution because this time around sony/microsoft* gave you a good amount of RAM.*Except on the series S, that has less ram than the fucking switch 2
>>746074118Modern consoles are just shittier PCs with none of the pros.You lost this war 13 years ago EricTime to stop seething now about your DRM box now.
>>746062837>consolefag already forgotten about what happened to sony just last weeklmao
>>746054192Art direction blah blah yadda yadda, sure. But graphically, it's shit even on the PC. People just don't want to admit that, on a technological level, Fromsoft is trash. Art direction is nice and all, but graphically its still shit, its engine is shit, their optimization ability is also shit. And they still have retarded relics like a 60 fps cap and physics simulations tied to keeping the fps at that level, which it often can't even do anyways.
>>746054192>75% of PC shitters like OP have potato worse than base PS5thanks to fat fuck Gaben's revelation it's pretty obvious who holds back shit graphically>b-b-b-but my $7000 1337 GAMING RIGno one will make a game for 100 retards when they need 2M sales to break even
>>746074483>just last weekbut you're living it for decades retardo
>>746054192Japanese developers are ass at optimization
>>746054984>>746064443My PC was from 2015 and it ran like shit BECAUSE OF EASY ANTI-CHEAT.With EAC I would get 40-50 frames in Lindgrave, with the pirated copy steady 60.>>746066528Nigger if it's fucking dipping to 40 it is not running well, you fucking moron.
>>746074496>they still have retarded relics like a 60 fps cap and physics simulations tied to keeping the fps at that leveThis hasn't actually been true since Sekiro at the very earliest, maybe even Dark Souls 3. Anyone who claims this is a retard playing defense for them without even actually knowing, or FromSoft is lying so they don't have to "unlock" it, for whatever reason. Maybe because they fear liability if there ARE some bugs related to framerate.But you can play Sekiro, Armored Core 6, Elden Ring with uncapped framerate at least up to 120 or 144 or whatever without worrying about any physics issues. It is not a thing anymore.
>>746076092>>746076143cope EricNo more physical for you
>>746067319 Dark Souls 3 and Elden Ring had to run on the Xbox One DDR3 and a GPU equivalent to an HD7790. It was completely fucked considering OG Xbox and Xbox 360 were extremely impressive for 2001 and 2005.Elden Ring on base Xbox One is unbelievably shit. In every sense base PS4 feels like the console From Software targeted as the standard release; no bells or whistles, but a just-about passable way to play.tldr>Demon's Souls and Dark Souls 1 were targeted for PS3, later ported to Xbox 360/Windows (DX9)>Dark Souls 2 was targeted for PC, had to be downgraded to run on PS3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3MdOBH-jDc>Bloodborne, Dark Souls 3 and Elden Ring were targeted for PS4 and optimized accordingly >They had to downgrade aspects of Dark Souls 3 and Elden Ring to run on Xbox One jank >They had to downgrade aspects of Elden Ring to run on Switch 2 10 watts
>>746054192Xbone version looks like it's running on a Dell laptop from 2004.
in 2022 i played elden ring for 200 hours on my then outdated shitbox at 30 fps locked with a no grass mod and no shadows mod installed. the game looked like utter shit. the dungeons and interiors were all bright because of no shadows. it was awesome
i have a 7800x3d and a 4090 and elden ring would still have hitches in very specific spotsi remember some random back alley in leyndell would stutter the game very noticeably whenever i passed by a certain spot
>>746054192technology doesn't matter for fromsoft, they've resigned to just rehashing demon's souls and its assets over and over again
>>746054319Saaaar
>>746076335sounds even worse then desu, that means theyre limiting fps for no real reason. still sounds like theyre incompetent from a software engineering standpoint
>new Switch content DLC costs money>can't spend money until 3 days after the DLC dropsI am never buying another Mitsubishi game again
>>746078253As I suggested, if anything I would peg it to Japanese autism about liability or whatever. Their games' logic is no longer intrinsically and demonstrably locked to framerate but they know they're not competent enough to guarantee there won't be issues and offer it as an official option, so they don't. And because it requires altering the game process it requires their stupid fucking anti-cheat implementation (not a problem exclusive to Japs) to be turned off which means paying customers have to choose between Online functionality and framerate.It's not good but it's far from as simple as "From Software still ties their game logic to framerate like it's 2003"
>>746062067blatantly false, unless a game specifically caters to china or eastern europe, it does not sell more on PC
>>746078363thats hardly the only thing outdated about their engine anyways. it doesnt have convincing or good feeling weight or gravity. the animations and the way its rigidly snapped onto the terrain doesnt feel natural, the fact that going into water is literally just falling into a void (rather than just instant drowning for courtesy) and its last gen visual output. meh. its good enough for me, but if you want to call it aaa and charge aaa prices, you definitely gotta do better than that
>>746067709I'm genuinely glad Bluepoint is dead
>>746078610Was there anything wrong with the Gravity Rush remaster? If there was I didn't notice.
>>746077419yeah it's fun even if you run it on a series of lemons wired to an LCD screen
>>746057915lollmao
>>746076240I'm not some PC cultist who pisses his panties the moment a game dips to 59.999fps. As long as it runs without terrible dips or crashes then it's a good enough port. Dumb bitch.
>>746054192>graphicallywho gives a shit about graphics
>>746080760a twenty frame drop from 60fps is a 33% decline. that's not small and as the framerate gets lower the effect become more and more noticeable.It's not like he's dropped 20 frames at 140+.
Just realized I responded to bait.I am a fool.Hang my head in shame.
>>746054192From is holding back FromWhy do you think they can recycle assets from 15yo games and two console generations ago and they don't look too out of place?
i wish they learned how to go past 60 fps
>>746076335>maybe even Dark Souls 3DS3 still has shit like issues with those up+R1/R2 inputs above 30fps where at 60 they only really properly work either when queued during other actions or, for some reason, when you press diagonally up instead.
>>746054984my 10+ year old shit PC ran it fine on release which was amusing because people with top of the line PCs were having stutters for some reason.
>>746078472Capcom disagrees, and they output more games than basically any other AAA at this point. Consoles are basically just for brown children, who only play F2P games.
Consoles actually benefits PCniggers. Kingdom Come 2 for example was optimized to the max thanks to the Series S, it directly benefitted PCs
>>746082684>Consoles actually benefits PCniggers. Kingdom Come 2 for example was optimized to the max thanks to the Series S, it directly benefitted PCsYou can thank Phil Spencer for forcing devs to optimize for Xbox One and Series S
>>746054192Consoles have been holding the whole of gaming back 20+ years. Imagine what kind of technological marvels we could play if it weren't for the soccer and halo normies contempt with their cute little consoles limiting the industry.
>>746082621it was shader comp issues. Elden Ring eventually got a shader precaching scheme that addressed all the stuttering. I was playing on a fucking rx480 over a year after release and it was fine.quality settings were completely retarded also. Like one water effects option that completely crushed performance whenever you looked at water for absolutely fucking nothing but some waves you would only ever see actually near the shore. I imagine some stuff like that bothered people for whatever reason instead of just turning it off.
>>746083549>Elden Ring eventually got a shader precaching schemeNo it didn't, it still caches on the fly like it has since release. If you upgrade your drivers it starts all over again. There were optimization improvements but it has nothing to do with shader cache.
>>746054984EAC is what rapes performance and makes it stutter. Its still barely fixed
>>746054192The graphics are great.They fucked up the RT implementation through just like in early RE engine capcom games where it tanks perfomance but looks worse somehow.I turned them off and just added some reshade global illumination/AO.
>>746087207Does Elden Ring support MSAA and SSAA?
>>746087320dunno, I force SMAA
>>746054192Yes. And probably Fromsoft being incompetent too
>>746054192I don't know about the PC version, but even on PS5 the game dropped frames constantly.
>>746087470I only had issues in castle sol and 2 crashes in 100hrs of playtime.
>>746087207The art design is great, like in all modern FromSoft games. Graphics in the technical sense aren't anything to write home about and they don't really need to be. It should run much better than it does considering the visuals.
Hold it back from what?>DUUUHHHH MO PWETTIEW GWAFIXEZYou don't like video games, dumb faggot.
>>746087585Compared to other open world games it runs fine.They should have unlocked the framerate on PC to 120 though.I've used the FPS unlocker tool.
>>746087470>>746087579What's the difference between Elden Ring PS4 and PS5 on a graphical level? Why does PS4 run better?
>>746087579I never crashed but to my eye the game hovered between 40 to 60 fps. It was playable but not optimal.
>>746087739From what I remember the PS4 version either doesn't use or uses a lower quality global illumination, so when you run the PS4 version on a PS5, you get locked 60fps.
>>746054192nice ps2 graphics
>>746082652Ironic since reason why Capcoms games sell more units on PC is that PC have cheap ass game keys and deep sales more often. Thats literally why consoles still give them majority of revenue and profit because selling copy for 15$ on PC doesnt move that much.
>>746054192No, Skyrim is a deeper game and it was made for PS3
