Frostmourne hungers
>>746056995/v/ will tell you a guy who turned into this wasn’t in the wrong
>>746058065Wasn't wrong about what?
>>746058065/v/ will play dumb about the fact that the sword literally possessed him
>Arthas wants to turn all of Azeroth into undead so he can have a unified army to defeat the Burning Legion>The only reason he's "evil" is because he wants to defeat a greater evilSo. Let's suppose his plan works, he turns Azeroth undead, AND actually defeats the Burning Legion. Azeroth was able to do it without being undead, so it seems possible. What would Arthas want to do afterward?
>>746058065he was manipulated by demons and failed by uther the politician and jaina the cowardseriously do people pretend that the intergalactic demon army isnt okay to lose to when you're one guy?
Lets say he just took over washington DCDo you join him willingly? or fight?
>>746058180>arthas did nothing wrong>what are you talking about he's killed thousands and trapped their souls for eterntiy>he only did that because of the sword tho>ok fine so it's the sword's fault>yea>so what do we do now?>what>do we send the sword to prison? or should we execute it>no it's just a sword you cant do those things to it>ok...>...>so to stop all of this we have to send arthas to prison or execute him instead>HOLY SHIT YOU FUCKING BIGOT ARTHAS DID NOTHING WRONG NICE MEDIA LITERACY ASSHOLE
>>746058469Who are you arguing with I'm over here man
>>746058509Sorry my eyes ain't too good these days
>>746058509>>746058675I'm blind...not death...
>>746058939HE SAYS DEAF
>>746058284Just so long as by "he just took over Washington DC" you mean that that mission where he has to slaughter all the townsfolk before the grain zombies them, than yes.Outside of the nice touristy bits you see on TV, DC is almost entirely ghetto slums. It absolutely needs an Arthas to come clean the scourge up.
>>746058939nobody called you death, blindyou're so edgy these days
>>746059142he JUST took baltimore and philly...he's going north..
>>746058963Something he doing?
>>746059197So he's cleaning up the shittiest cities on the East coast? Shit man, he can't get to NY fast enough.
>>746056995THE SWAMP HUNGERS
>>746059416Arthas isn't even remotely ready to handle Soviet firepower.
I obey the six ancients.
>>746056995We'll be replaying WC3 and WoW for the rest of our lives, the way the industry is going.
>>746059605People still make custom campaigns so I'm not stressing
>>746059601You used to obey the six ancients, comrade.
My life for nerzhul
Arthas did nothing wrong with the culling.
>>746059416>>746059550HE JUST TURNED TOWARDS THE WEST
>>746059605Sure, minus the MMOslop. You know, the original genre that sacrificed 150% of its soul for mass appeal and ruined this franchise immediately?
>>746061545>he's walking right into OhioMan, I'm really starting to understand why they say an invasion of the US mainland isn't possible.
>>746059739What are some good WC3 custom campaigns?
>>746056995its insane how unfun wc3 is to play compared to aoe2
>>746061887he's creating his dark, black army
>>746062142He is messing with powers beyond mortal man!
MY MIGHT CANNOT BE MATCHED
I live to serve old believers.Let me face the devil.For Ana!
>>746058469The sword (and Arthas once the sword steals his soul) was being controlled by Ner'zhul tho. There's very clearly someone to blame.
>>746061942https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/garithos-human-campaign.358457/
>>746061973Why are you like this microsoft shill, you own both IPs now
Jaina's fault for not letting Arthas cum inside herMedivh's fault for acting like a total schizo in front of Lordaeron's kang and immediate leadershipAlso the other Alliance kangdoms let Lordaeron fall because they wanted to be the main leader of the Alliance
>>746056995>my wife for the horde
>>746059185Chill grangran
WELCOME TO MY NIGHTMARE
>>746056995Thanks Crendor
>>746064849>this is who thrall idolized for his "reformed" not bloodthirsty Horde
>>746065079as a blizzbaby who grew up on WoW it was really funny to play the original warcraft games. there is really no redeeming what the horde did before thrall.
>>746058065>>746058469If you think he was in the wrong, then you don't understand his character arc. In fact you don't understand Warcraft III at all. THE ENTIRE POINT of his story is that a genuinely good Hero, who is ready to sacrifice himself, gets played by the Big Bad. The Lich King didn't want to destroy Lordaeron or defeat Arthas. Everything he did was just a ruse to make Arthas his champion. The Lich King's entire plan was hinging on the fact that Arthas was good, that he did nothing wrong, because he needed the self-sacrifical aspect of a hero, for his plan to properly work out.That's it. That is what makes character arc of Arthas so tragic. His decisions, his heroism, his self-sacrifice doom him. I suspect they also made him more psychologically vulnerable, so he wouldn't be able to resist the Corruption of Frostmourne or at least not have a good version of him survive to some capacity. Corruption in the Warcraft universe works weird. It's not exactly mind control. It's more like an evil twin taking over the body of someone with the general values of their faction. If the target is willing he is able to retain his previous personality. If he is unwilling, he often is kinda stupid or very one-note. But if he is psychologically broken, then it's almost like he is doing it willingly. But that "mechanic" is never quite confirmed in Warcraft, but can be infered from the fact that everyone, who has ever been corrupted, acts like this.
>>746056995What does Frostmourne eat?
I'm working on an undead custom campaign and it's pretty fun.Even started doing some simple model edits.
IT HUNGERS... FOR MORE
>>746065560He shouldn't have gone to Northrend without running it past his dad. Arthas was portrayed as reckless and arrogant which leads to his eventual downfall. I still think Uther was a coward for not actually stepping in and stopping him. As a Paladin he should have put himself between the civies and the swords if he truly believed Arthas was in the wrong. Maybe the prince would have thought twice if he was being forced to cut down his own mentor.
>>746056995is it still worth playing it for custom map games? Or are the only people left dota and gladiator fags?
I know! I'll attract them with my human call! I'm so wasted! I'm so wasted!
>>746059739>the one custom campaign I loved playing isnt playable anymoreIt's I think still at the top on Hiveworkshop (fuck that place) so it's only a matter of time before someone finally remasters it.Fuck Blizzard tho
>>746062273is he okay?
>>746061887OH SHIT HE'S GOING THROUGH THE RUST BELT NOW HE'S ACTUALLY KILLING WHITE PEOPLE RED ALERT
>>746066257>RED ALERTAcknowledged
>>746066117FALL!LIKE LEAVES!...IN FALL!
>>746063235>Jaina's fault for not letting Arthas cum inside herhe literally did
>>746065997>He shouldn't have gone to Northrend without running it past his dad.Arthas is a high-ranking commander and can do things without running it by the king. Especially if it's part of the mission, which was assigned to him. Also organizing such an expedition takes time. I am sure the king was informed of it, while it was preparing. Thes things realistically don't happen overnight. It was also Uther, who convinced Terenas to call the expedition back.>I still think Uther was a coward for not actually stepping in and stopping him. As a Paladin he should have put himself between the civies and the swords if he truly believed Arthas was in the wrong.Uther was an insecure boomer. He constantly pulled rank on Arthas without Arthas provoking him. He sees Arthas taking initiative with the Orcs and has to immideately pull a lesson out of his ass to verbally dominate him. He sent two knights to his death. If Arthas pulled that shit with Mal'ganis, everyone would call him a retard. And when it came to real and serious problems like Stratholme he didn't have any solution to it, because he only does things by the book. I think Uther was deliberately portrayed like that by Blizzard.
>>746058065Correct, everyone would have been happier if they just turned into skeletons like Ner'Zul wanted
Sylvanas won
>>746058065Stratholme was objectively the correct choice. It was his quest for vengeance after it that damned him.
>>74605699510 year old me was so excited for a WC4
>>746068232what a shame
Reforged worth it yet? It's on sale for $20.
>>746068426It's not even worth half that.
>>746066223Hamlin? He literally died on the field but was resuscitated and brought to the hospital. Made a full recovery and actually plays in the NFL. He is an okay player but kept around mostly for his story.The game was cancelled after that considering they were literally giving the guy CPR to keep him alive while the ambulance arrived, it kind of fucked over the Bengals (the orange team) though because they were winning and it ended up having an effect on the playoffs.
>>746068426No. It offers nothing over the original.
>>746056995eat a snickers, frostmourne, you arent you when you are hungry
>>746058469>>do we send the sword to prison? or should we execute it>>no it's just a sword you cant do those things to itwhy not
>>746065205Tbf Thrall just wanted the Horde to fuck off away from humans and to stop being the Burning Legions Pawns. The one responsible for everyone going kumbaya in the end was Medivh.
>>746068426not if you already have the ability to play the game
>>746068179God forbid a prince wants to hunt down and kill the demon who planned his kingdom's super 9/11 before he can do it again.
>>746068426Pirate the original, retard.
>>746069034I have a pirated copy from 15+ years ago. I just wanted to know if it was worth it for customs yet. $20 still seems too expensive.
>Ohio has fallen, and lays in ruin>The locals consider this a massive improvement, and have sided with Arthas >>746068504What's more, I may be mixing it up with another injury, but I'm pretty sure that either just the week before, or just the week after, the Dolphin's Tua suffered a massive concussion on a mundane looking play against the Bengals. I could have sworn I had a webm of it, but I can't seem to find that, so have this stupid injury instead.
>>746056995Well the only thing still open rn is mcdonalds so uh wuw frostmourne?
>>746069476Tua definitely suffered a lot of retarded head injuries. One of them he was just shoved down and literally did not even attempt to stop the back of his head from smacking into the ground and he went into the fencing stance. Might have been that play, but I remember he also had one where he literally ran HEAD FIRST into a guy like he was trying to impersonate Ram Man.It explains why he went full MAGA after getting like 6 concussions in the spam of 2 years LOL
>>746069670I wasn't familiar with him before that game, but found out that just suffered a concussion the week prior, and all three Dolphins fans in the game thread couldn't believe they had even played him. Looked it up, and I take back what I say about it looking innocuous. I'm mixing the Tua injury up with someone else. This was absolutely not the one I was thinking of.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPbg_KIyUko
>>746070050Yeah, I remember when Tua had an obvious head injury and the team LIED and said it was "back problems" (when he visibly collapsed on the field) and then played him again and then he got ANOTHER concussion. Tua's brains are mush and he is now gonna be tanking the Falcons this season (because the QB they drafted keeps getting his knee blown out).
>enter WC thread expecting arthasposting>receive nigger collision
>>746070202I tried to warn him what would happen if he entered Ohio, but he didn't listen.
>>746065560corruption in warcraft is losing your conscience. uncorrupted people think "hey doing [insert evil thing here] would lead to a personal victory/victory for my faction, but its really evil to do it so i wont do it". corrupt people do it without hesitation
Sylvanas > Arthas
>>746071362This tbqh though nu-Sylvanas sounds like a shit character not that I know a single fucking thing about her and don't ever intend to know
>>746071429>>746071362Sylvanas running around doing her own thing post warcraft III would have been pretty cool. What a shame.
this entire board must be Purged
Bought Reforged since I had a loyalty discount that knocked it down closer to $15. I was excited to check out the new graphics. That shit is horrible.
Dad..
>>746074736We told you, retarf.
I hate Uther so fucking much.Also don't forget Blizzard hated Arthas so much that in WoW they permanently destroyed his soul so he can't even come back in anyway whatsoever now.
>>746062273>>746066223>Hamlin later confirmed that he had an episode of commotio cordis, an extremely rare condition in which cardiac rhythm is disrupted by a blow to the chest during a specific 40-millisecond span in the heart's electrical cycle. The condition is 97% fatal if not treated within three minutes."You can instantly die if someone hits you in the chest at the exact right moment" wasn't something I needed to know about.
>>746076314Damn that's pretty interesting. I've had a fuckload of ECGs but I've never heard of this condition.
>>746074769>when he senses Jaina undressing
>>746076314>>746076538How the fuck did they discover that?
>>746075628>Blizzard hated Arthas so much that they made sure he was super duper gone so they couldn't keep raping him like Kael'thas Sunstrider
>>746075628>>746076649And Sylvanas got to stand there snarling at and spitting on his soul before it was uber-smashed while Jaina and the others stood there like mannequins.
wow lore is so bad and has been such for so long that I'm amazed people can do anything but laugh at it.
>>746075628NuBlizzard actively hates warcraft and tries to intentionally fuck it up to ruin whatever legacy it had and to spite sweaty nerds that loved it for one reason or another.Having sat through retail for 15 or so years and then played the dumpster fire that was Shadowlands, I can't think of it being anything else that intentional internal sabotage because it's so fucking bad and distasteful.
>>746058065his big fuck up was ignoring the sword guardians, and saying out loud to Frostmourne he would, "give anything, or pay any price to save my people."Killed Muradin instantly, absorbed Arthas' soul, and let Nerzhul take over.
>>746058469The sword does get executed at the end of Wrath THO
>>746077457The guardians were themselves undead so I can't really blame Arthas for killing them without a second thought.
>>746077457>>746077574The point where Muradin says "oh no this sword is cursed," probably a big give away.
>>746077457>turn away... before it's too late...>Still trying to protect the sword, are you?>no... trying to protect you... from itKino
Who wrote the inscription on the Frostmourne dias indicating that it was cursed? Frostmourne seems to be presented as being some legendary blade that's been hidden in Northrend forever, but we come to find out that it was put there in the last 10 or so years, right? If not even more recently if I'm misremembering when Ner'zhul ejects it from the ice containing the rest of the Lich King armor.
>>746078243Yeah that part is kind of weird. I think part of the setup is having someone knowingly walk into the trap makes it more powerful so it's all setup that way on purpose, including even the guardians. And then it seeming ancient was just a planted rumor/ruse.Also to keep other people away to make sure the right person takes the sword. But still, it is kind of inconsistent in the feel.
I unironically liked Red alert 3. I wish I had played it when the MP was still alive.
>>746078243The guardians seemed to not want people to take it, so maybe they did it.
>>746076629gotta understand that stuff pretty well if you want to make a pacemaker
>>746075628They'll find some way to bring him back and turn him into a female like actual in lore mtf transformation
>>746078243what was king terenas' tax policy?
>>746058065The wrong call for the right reasons.
>>746058469How come it's okay when Arthas is a genociding bitch but not her?
>>746058469swords dont kill peoplepeople do
>>746079169top left always makes me so hard I dont know why
>>746080038Arthas has a huge arc across the whole game compared to Kerrigan, and way more trials. Also mostly just claws his own way to victory and isn't constantly relying on others to be completely duped. His final victory isn't even beating everyone else, it's just holding his own and claiming the crown/throne. He's just more likable and interesting.
>>746080038hes actually likeable and understandable. She gets saved and fully forgiven beside brutally killing and transforming whole planets and then as soon as shes back to normal instantly goes back to being a zerg and turned into the biggest mary sue bitch ever.Starcraft 2 did such a retarded fast jump over the shark that it still baffles me. WoL was perfectly fine but something must've happened after
>>746080171How would you make a zerg campaign without turning kerrigan into zerg?
>>746080209nta but seriously, just don't kill off every fucking cerebrateadd some varietyyou can't even tell me it waters down the hivemind theme when the end of sc2 is about them not being one unified hivemind anymore
>>746080171I don't think you even need to bring SC2 into the discussion, me personally, even just Warcraft III vs. Starcraf 1, Arthas is way better. >>746080209Just don't. She can control zerg as a human, so what's the issue? Why undo the the end of WoL so fast? Defintely a waste and weird pacing, but all story in SC2 just has huge issues.Like consider the "Overmind was actually noble and brave" rewrite. Yuck. Warcraft III doesn't pull that shit, the lich king is just the lich king. Yes he's a puppet for other evil that he has to work against, but he's still an evil entity and the story and characters never say otherwise. Zeretual calling the Overmind a good boy was so freaking dumb.
>>746079878
>>746056995He did literally nothing wrong.
>>746080727Trading his soul to the magic devil sword was probably a bad call.
>>746056995Farewell friendI was a thousand times more evil than thou
>>746077457yeah that shit happened in a flash too..
>>746080842The buildup was pretty developed, and if you weren't tracking, murdering the mercs means you can't miss where things are going.
>>746059601Myu brade can cut through armor! And still cut a tomato!
>>746080209Nova but magic and a zerg army. It would be nice to play a psychic ghost campaign.
Jaina was a race traitor
>>746081092Admiral Daelin rolls in his grave over his greenshark daughter.
Alright bros, you're Medivh at the start of Warcraft 3. How do you convince everyone that the demons be coming? Note: revealing that you know about the demons be coming because you are the resurrected anti-Christ possessed wizard who opened the Dark Portal might not work.
>>746081349The guy has magic and can even influence dreams. He's able to persuade Thrall this way. Surely some prep work with some cryptic and important feeling dreams, followed up with some prophetic information would very quickly persuade someone:>hit Arthas with a couple of dreams about dark omens on the horizon>alll the undead stuff is now happening>later appear and warn him that even his own people will be turned against him>Right before the Purge, don't try to stop him, but tell him you have a way to make sure this doesn't happen again and defeat those responsible for the plagueAnything along those lines. It helps when you actually say things that are specific and matter to the people instead of "hey, abandon your lands and push your entire kingdom to a new continent."
>>746081349start with dalaran and explain everything with complete honestyhopefully then the wizards can spread the word among the human kingdoms in time
>>746081349>war is coming, you all have to travel west!>no>well alright, bye, your fate is now your own and stuffI would start by doing more than this.
>>746061942Dwarf campaign used to be my shit
>>746081498Didn't he try that and Antonidas told him to fuck off?
>>746081524>your fate is now your own>oh and the fate of all the people you rule over I guess>I just dont feel like talking to them I'm tired
>>746081676>AntonidasHe was a bit vague to start as usual, but yeah, he was shut down immediately.
>>746081693>>oh and the fate of all the people you rule over I guess>>I just dont feel like talking to them I'm tiredYes, that's exactly how it works with a King. He is talking to people in authority who can actually move entire peoples/cities/kingdoms.
>>746081349>How do you convince everyone that the demons be coming?I open a portal and summon Sargeras
>>746081843lel, based
>>746081349Honestly he did all he could. The King was never going to listen no matter how convincing he could be.
>>746081843Immediate undeniable proof.
>>746081843>and I'll fucking do it again
>>746081878I think there is a scenario where Terenas could be convinced to heed Medivh's warning. I don't think Arthas ever could have been convinced to abandon the lands of Lordaeron.
>>746081961>don't think Arthas ever could have been convinced to abandon the lands of Lordaeron.Arthas cares about the people, not the land. It's doable.
Worst monthly Arthas did nothing wrong thread tbhkekdesubakafam
>>746081837maybe other men of power would have listened and at least saved some peopleit's crazy to just let an entire nation of people die because their ruler refused to listentime to instigate a coup
>>746082076:(downdooted
>>746058065He was being possessed wasnt heLike that's not even retroactive wow lore right, iirc the sword was whispering weird demonic shit to him and had a demon or some shit in it
>>746082505No, he got warned multiple times, Medivh warned him, Uther warned him, Muradin warned him.He went insane well before even taking the sword, all on his own.
>>746082505He traded his soul to Frostmourne in exchange for the strength to protect the people of Lordaeron.In the first Undead mission, Arthas tells Tichondrius that he has done things that should disgust him and make him feel guilty but he feels nothing. Tichondrius tells him that Frostmourne steals souls and that Arthas's soul was the first one it took.
>>746075628>Also don't forget Blizzard hated Arthas so much that in WoW they permanently destroyed his soul so he can't even come back in anyway whatsoever now.>blizzard's writing staff is so shit this is actually the biggest favor they could do to Arthas. Arthas and Garrosh are the only ones who had the sense to bail on this shit franchise after seeing what it had become.
>>746081349This dude did nothing for humans lol
>>746081349I make some fake demons and let them get caught poisoning grain. Everyone will believe it is real because they saw Mr. Demon Summoner himself, Medihv doing it.
>>746083442Cool it with the antisemitism.
>>746071429WoW-Arthas wasn't much better. It's crazy just how much cooler he is in WC3 just because he's a mostly calm scheming guy and not just another cartoon big bad.
>>746083825>mostly calm scheming guy>DAMN YOU MAL'GANIS HOW DARE YOU MAKE ME KILL EVERY SINGLE MAN, WOMAN AND CHILD IN STRATHOLM I WILL CHASE TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH >TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH >FUCK YOU UTHER >FUCK YOU MERCENARIES WHO FOUGHT FOR ME>FUCK YOU MURADIN >DIEEEEEE>mostly calm
>>746076314>Comotio Cordis I hate to say this, but I only learned about this condition because Rick and Morty did a specific episode revolving around it where an ancient Chinese kungfu master uses an "exploding heart" technique which is literally just inducing cammotio cortis on the target by hitting specific spots in the heart.
>>746080038Her tits weren't big enough to forgive her actions.
>>746083918Okay reaction after having to genocide your own people
>>746084001He *chose* to genocide his own people
>>746071362Fuck off danuser.
>>746084054Ah yes, because letting an entire city turn into zombies under the command of a demon is such a better choice
>>746083918I mean after he lost his SOVL. I just really liked how he talked in WC3, in WoW there's no difference between him and any other villain.
>>746084169>imprisoning innocent people before they even think about committing crime is the right thing to do
>>746058065What is this logic? 'He became a super evil guy therefore you can't say ANY of his past choices were justifiable'
>>746084283Most retarded analogy award for you sir
>>746084341Most non-argument response award for you sir
>>746084374Make an argument that is at all applicable to the situation and I'll reply to it
>>746084396You just did, it isn't a better choice to genocide people, it's a better choice to fight the undead which the paladins, champions of light, should not have a problem with at all.
>>746084453I mean reply as in answer to the argument as opposed to mocking it obviously. And yes, if you are looking at it from the perspective of a paladin then it might make sense to let things get worse for you so you don't have to commit an infraction of your code, but from a simple utilitarian perspective, Arthas' actions are ideal, considering the situation, and perfectly justified.
>>746058065Arthas did a few things wrong but Uther did absolutely everything wrong
I will forgive Blizzard for all their actions if they resurrect Arthas and give him a redemption arc. Not the pitiful ending he got in shadowlands.
>>746084698They're justified only with hindsight, which they did not have standing in front of Stratholme discussing this.From a simply utilitarian perspective, they could construct a barricade around the city and contain the threat first, and only then proceed to killing every risen zombie. Jaina, Uther and his troops along with Arthas' troops were right there to make that possible.
>>746080108>I dont know whydid you assume you were gay or something?
>>746084891how could he be alive?
>>746080727idk man i always thought it was pretty fucking wrong how he double crossed those mercenaries who helped destroy his own ships to stop his own people from leaving him
another trannycraft general that should have been in /vg/BAN ALL BLIZZTROONS
>Arthasfags will say with a straight face that ignoring his loyal companion Muradin was right>Also killing Muradin was also right because???Stratholme was never the issue, it was everything afterwards.
>>746084901>From a simply utilitarian perspective, they could construct a barricade around the city and contain the threat first, and only then proceed to killing every risen zombie.The entire point is that waiting for everybody to turn into zombies before killing them is>infinitely more difficult, because now you're fighting undead killing machines instead of harmless civilians>infinitely more dangerous, meaning you're going to lose tons of troops when you're in a really pitched war against more undead>much worse for the victims who have to go through the excruciating death of being turned undead instead of just getting stabbedThat's assuming they could even set up a barrier in time or actually had the manpower to contain it with all of their troops, which is a maybe and thus a risk. A risk that if they failed the kingdom WOULD get wiped out. On top of that, every second they waste is time that the cult is pulling more bullshit. The plan to cull the city only becomes more justified with hindsight, yes, but it was still their only real option at the time.
I can't take warcraft lore seriously now its been raped and retconned and ACKSHUALLY so hard why botherkinda like fallout
>>746081492>He's able to persuade Thrall this wayThrall himself said he would have ignored Medivh's warning if not for his shaman ghosts telling him to believe Medivh.
>>746076649Yeah but Garrosh got to do the same in the same expansion and he did it based-ly
>>746085073>A risk that if they failed the kingdom WOULD get wiped out.It succeeded and the kingdom was wiped out anyway lmao
>>746084901There's an active war going on and fighting against the undead is a race against time. If you cannot destroy them faster than they are raised you will simply lose. The previous mission IIRC had you nearly annihilated due to the assault of an undead army. Sitting around to besiege Stratholme would be inviting a further assaults like that while your own men dwindle and the enemy's army wax. Not to mention that you'd have to divert a significant amount of manpower away from other fronts and that there's no guarantee you will be able to contain the entire population.
>>746085263Yeah but a little bit later than if they got bodied at Stratholme.
Can I get the lore rundown on why Stratholme has been burning for years on end?
>>746068983As outsiders we can look at Arthas' actions and say that he was wrong, but as others have pointed out, he was acting very realistically given his characterization.
>>746075628Uther was right about absolutely everything.>nuh-uh the city would've turned into hundreds of zombies!Nigga so you just kill them, you're a paladin you're built for that, better to face an enemy in battle than slaughter innocent civilians and lose your soul in the process.
>>746081498Dalaran wizards are very cocky.They would go "don't worry senpai, we got this covered" even if Archimonde is literally appear on their doorstep.
>>746085350the incels there
>>746085350Dark forces. No, seriously, that's what the Ashbringer comic says. Blizzard just doesn't want to touch the place.
>>746085410And yet the paladin refused to stop the person massacring an entire town of innocents and submitted to his order to leave. Uther doesn't even believe in his own morals.
>>746081349I just do everything the same because in the game he does just that
Why did Nerd'zhul want a six foot tall human male avatar? Why did his goat demon imprisoners even entertain him and go through the trouble of helping him realize it? Warcraft is so fucking stupid.Pic related, the dumbest nigga in all of fiction.
>>746085673yeah he probably should have done something, I guess they hand it away with Arthas being the crown prince but still
>>746085934>Why did Nerd'zhul want a six foot tall human male avatar?To break free from his prison.>Why did his goat demon imprisoners even entertain him and go through the trouble of helping him realize it?Because he told them it was part of his plan to prepare the demon invasion. Which it was.
>>746086014Why did he choose Arthas as opposed to Thrall or an orc? Moreover, the Dreadlords seem like incels since their plan for the invasion involved giving Nerzhul all the power and hoping he wouldnt betray them. Even Archimonde and Mannoroth were pathetic.
Could the Legion have defeated Lordaeron and the other humans without the help of the Scourge (assuming Archimonde was still summoned)?
>>746079878Not like the real story was much better. In the end, before all of this power scaling nonsense, Arthas' entire story is just a subplot of a subplot wherein Ner'zhul wanted to get a little bit of revenge on the people who tortured his spirit. Then they all get killed largely unrelated to anything he (Ner'zhul) does, so he just retires to Northrend to chill. No pun intended.Warcraft III is such a fucking stupid story. It's just lore soup for a bunch of uncompelling characters and themes. What a shocker that World of Warcraft, a monthly scam (plus base and expansion fees), would be more of the same.Age of Empires is still the best RTS. At least it has actual stragey, unlike the piss easy joke maps of WC3. Literal baby-tier shit you don't even need to pay attention to.
>>746086083>Why did he choose Arthas as opposed to Thrall or an orc?Because orcs were irrelevant scattered tribes or slaves in internment camps, he needed to subvert the Alliance as it was the most powerful force in the Eastern Kingdoms. The orcs also were tried on the previous invasion and they failed already.The nathrezim dreadlords are portrayed as natural schemers and very few in number, so they jump with Ner'zhul's plan because it fits their mode of operation.Even if they knew Ner'zhuls true case, why would it matter to them? Ner'zhul fulfilled his role perfectly, he destroyed the most powerful kingdoms on the continent and summoned Archimonde, it's just that he also placed a bet in case the Legion lost, but why would they care?I'm not saying this is genius world building, but it's literally addressed in game.
>>746081349Can somebody explain to me why this retard was obsessed with Kalimdor? Like, what the fuck prevents the gates of oblivion from eventually reaching the west? These fucking douchebag spends the game warning of intergalactic space invaders, and thinks a tiny ass ocean is going to stop them? Who the fuck wrote this dumbass game? Baffles me that people take this shit seriously.
>>746085410How does Uther go through the whole Second war and still send TWO KNIGHTS to the orcs for "negotiations"?
>>746058065He was right about purging Stratholme, doesn't mean he was right about everything else.
>>746058469This unironically
>>746086297Kel Thuzad is a cuck and if we use WoW as a basis then the scourge conquered almost nothing.
>>746086014Yeah but why not anybody or anything else? He has them make two artifacts which can literally only be worn by one nigga, who he then has to wait for, and subsequently waste time baiting to Northrend. Just fucking make a necklace and slap it on Muradin or something lmao. Literally anything and anybody else.>it was part of his plan to prepare the demon invasion>>ayo, guys, if you stop tickling me I'll make your invasion 2.7% easier and totally won't betray you, pinky promiseFantastic storytelling. Real convincing stuff when your primary antagonists lose to their own stupidity. This shit doesn't even classify as an Idiot Plot, this is Advanced Retardation.
Never understood the "chosen one" nonsense in fiction. Why can't the lich king just possess any of his lackeys? Why a random blonde prince? What difference does it make?
>>746086496Frostmourne is meant to bait power hungry desperate warriors but wearing armor is what seals the deal
>>746086496Because Arthas is the most appropiate, the heir of the most powerful kingdom that happens to be a cocky, self-righteous brat.>b-but he has to wait 10 yearsNigga he's a lich, they're demons, their plans are measured in milennia.>Real convincing stuff when your primary antagonists lose to their own stupidity.The Legion doesn't lose to anything Ner'zhul plotted, when they finish summoning Archimonde they get discarded, their troops help the Legion invade but the only thing of note the Undead do through RoC is push Illidan to absorb the skull of Gul'dan and kill Tichondrius.
>>746086779>The Legion doesn't lose to anything Ner'zhul plottedArthas stops Illidan from killing NerzhulMalfurion stops Illidan from killing NerzhulIllidan defeats Magtheridon and takes Terrallende from the legionArchimonde is defeated by a tree
>human/Alliance theme starts playing
>>746086841>Arthas stops Illidan from killing Nerzhul>Malfurion stops Illidan from killing Nerzhul>Illidan defeats Magtheridon and takes Terrallende from the legionThis is TFT shit when the Legion has been defeated and expelled from Azeroth, at this point they've lost control over him.
>>746087057you arent helping your case. the legion has armies and commanders other than Archimonde and they still lost. I am almost persuaded than Malfurion and Illidan could have killed Archimonde without help.
>>746056995is this the only successful darth vader-like to come out of vidya?
>>746077179>NuBlizzard actively hates warcraft and tries to intentionally fuck it up to ruin whatever legacy it hadI can't imagine being so spiteful and corrosive to my core that I'd actively seek out employment in something I don't like to try to destroy it.I absolutely hate activists and brain scrambled leftist tards with a passion, the adult version of hall monitors and teacher's pets but with an activist and social "justice" spin on it.
>a literal fucking adult dragon couldnt satisfy her the same way Arthas didholy fuck, how good was Arthas in bed?
>>746087393>I can't imagine being so spiteful and corrosive to my core that I'd actively seek out employment in something I don't like to try to destroy it.I can, but only because I'm so familiar with janitors.
Busted out my 20 year old CD to make this, because there was no Warcraft version of this scene in the Youtube compilation. It made me sad that WC3 is not relevant anymore.
>>746081349He should've been trying to convince the Night Elves to come to the Eastern Kingdoms. If everybody had allied against the Scourge and Burning Legion in Lordaeron, then they could have prevented the Scourge from overrunning Lordaeron, Alterac, Dalaran and Quel'thalas and adding the bodies to their numbers, they could have prevented the resurrection of Kel'Thuzad, and most importantly they could have prevented the Scourge from getting their hands on Medivh's spellbook, and therefore summoning the demons in the first place. And instead of just a rag-tag group of Alliance refugees, you could've had the seven Human kingdoms, the Dwarves and the High Elves fighting with the Night Elves against the Scourge. Sure, you wouldn't have the Tauren, but that's a fair exchange. And best of all, since the Night Elves already know about the Burning Legion, it would have been easy to explain the threat and have it be credible. And before you say Tyrande would have told him to go fuck himself, at least she already knows about the Burning Legion and would have been more likely to comply than carry the entire population of the Western Kingdoms across the sea to Kalimdor.
>>746087737People are making fun of this scene in other games?
>>746087737where is this from? This isnt from any campaign mission i remember.
is the dating/sexual market place in warcraft worse than the real world with dating apps?
>>746087805Tyrande has no idea how to lead our people.
>>746087862same as irl except instead of preferring dogs over white men they go for worgen
>>746081349Sexy cow women that need human cock? It's more likely than you think! Come travel to the mystical lands of Kalimdor and get a cow wife before the orcs get there first!
>>746087862depends on who or what you are. If you´re some average guy in Westfall, Elwynn or Redridge instead of McHeroMan, good luck
>>746087881The Night Elves envoys that she would have sent could have at least help add credibility to Medivh's claim and try to help convince the Humans of the threat.
>>746087881I love Fandral Staghelm, a pretty brutal and often evil or treacherous druid is an interesting thing to haveThen they forgot about him and made him into a druid "of the flame", whatever the fuck that's supposed to beI know it's pointless to want because it will never happen but what Warcraft needs more of is internal power struggles
>>746087806Search lake scene other games on youtube.>>746087843It's from the secret route of ROC campaign, where Jaina does culling of Stratholme with you.
can we all just admit that Arthas is the Chris Watts of warcraft?
>>746088072>It's from the secret route of ROC campaign, where Jaina does culling of Stratholme with you.Im pretty sure there isnt any secret route, unless this is taken from some fanmade campaign
>>746088137If you kill the Uther in 2nd mission, he won't be there to oppose Arthas in the Culling of Startholme. Without him, Arthas manages to convince Jaina that purging the city is the only option. She later leaves anyway and everything is mostly the same until Undead campaign where this happens.
>>746058065Arthas wasn't wrong about the culling of /v/-tholme
>>746088281why are you lying on the internet, tho. There is no such secret route.
>>746088379my dad works at Blizzard and he told me thathe also gets me fresh milk from the office everyday
>>746088379WC3 truly is a masterpiece if 3 decades later ppl are still finding things about it
>>746088415crazy to think that the whole breastmilk thing was utterly fake but Blizzard still sanitized all their games anyways
>>746056995I smell the rottting stench of decay and corruptio. That angers me greatly.
>i hate orcs, they kill my people>becomes a zombie orc's slave>i hate kel thuzad, he kills my people>becomes his best bro>i hate mal ganis and dreadlords, they kill my people>follows dreadlord's orders>fucking summons moar demons into his world>all his people dead>push me to the edge>all my friends are dead>push me to the edgeSuch a dumb fucking tool this arthas guy, holy fucking shit.
>>746088453Just needed a reason to give it a go.
>>746070297The lich king…taken down by a leased hellcat
>>746058065I'm glad we're allowed to havbe opinions here
>>746080727Chasing Mal'Ganis to Northrend was pretty dumb.
>>746086779>Because Arthas is the most appropiate, the heir of the most powerful kingdomThis is what really kills the story for me, because it seems like such a logical conclusion for Ner'zhul to use Arthas to infiltrate Lordaeron and dismantle it from the inside, or even command it and use it.Instead he just kills the king and then almost dies because he had no escape plan. It makes less than no sense in the story because at that point Lordaeron is already on its last legs. The Scourge is steamrolling and he actively recalls them just so he can have Arthas roll up looking like the Hero of Columbine for literally no other reason than to kill Terenas, then re-initiate the Scourge, who were already functioning fine and were guaranteed success.It's just drama for drama's sake, which would be fine if the characters literally had anything going on and were making emotionally logical movements, but they aren't, so I feel nothing. It's just second-rate writers aping the genuinely great fantasy writers they grew up on, all bundled in babby's first Real-Time Strategy game that functions more as a movie than any true interactive experience.Fuck Blizzard. The Coldplay of vidya, no pun intended.
>>746089126You wouldn’t get it
>>746090823Well not many people can get close to the king with a sword to murder him but yeah this is in the end a videogame so they valued an epic cutscene above tight writing and they were right to do so.
>>746058065Is everyone responding to this retarded?Arthas has always been an asshole. He killed a whole town of people He intentionally stranded his army in hostile territory for his vengeance He sacrificed his friend for his vengeance as wellAnd all of this happened before hw got the sword.
>>746058469>do we send the sword to prison?Sword was already in prison before Arthas obtained it. This is clearly the fault of the guards who allowed Arthas and Muradin to reach it.
>>746090823>It makes less than no sense in the story because at that point Lordaeron is already on its last legs. The Scourge is steamrolling and he actively recalls them just so he can have Arthas roll up looking like the Hero of Columbine for literally no other reason than to kill TerenasIs this based on anything within WC3? Because if not I think it's just unfair to complain about bad writing that came afterwards as if it has any bearing on how the plot was conceptualized within the game itself
>>746080079>uranium doesn't kill people, the person that picked it up does
>>746091062>they valued an epic cutscene above tight writingYou can have both, in an abstract sense. (You) can't, because your standards are lower than dinosaur bones.
>>746081349THIS IS NOT THE TIME FOR RAMBLING PROPHETS.
I have a feeling that plot should've been slightly different, but they changed it at some point. It feels like Arthas somehow got infected during the defense of Hearthglen and since then he acts unwise and impulsive, as if he had too little time left. When they reach Northrend general mentions that Arthas completely ignores the bone‑chilling cold, as if he was already dead.
>>746086223>unlike the piss easy joke maps of WC3>he plays on normal mode
>>746056995How do I get into RTS games? Where do I even start?
>>746086083well for one, Thrall never would've fallen for it, at best he could've gotten like... Grom. and do you really want to bank your entire plan on the tactical ability of Grom Hellscream?
>>746065729
>>746086496>and totally won't betray you, pinky promiseThe Legion is so cocky that they assume whatever strings that mortals are pulling won't work against them.Tichondrius, one of the Legion highest ranking general, didn't even bother to study what happened during War of the Ancients. Illidan shown up in his turf and his reaction was a lukewarm "get out of my HOUSE"!
>Tremble, mortals, and despair! Doom has come to this world
>>746091241Somewhat? I mean if you follow the story in WC3, it's apparent that, in terms of Humans, Arthas is the only one properly combating the Cult of the Damned (Scourge), so when he turns, there's nobody really left to oppose them. Uther as well as the other lords and holds are just sort of scattered and aimless, and Terenas himself is never shown really doing anything. The Scourge had already secretly infiltrated a large portion of Lordaeron under Tichondrius by the time Arthas kills Terenas, so really there was nothing to stop the kingdom from falling. It was already over before it started.That's one of the weirdest parts because ultimately it feels like the Human Campaign is kind of pointless, but to setup Wrath of the Lich King. Just based on how the rest of the story relating to Archimonde plays out, Lordaeron presumably falls no matter what, whether Arthas becomes a Death Knight or not.The only part where he factors in is helping Kel'Thuzad steal Medivh's book that summons Archimonde, but I mean... he just helps the brute force siege of Dalaran. It's not like Arthas being Arthas had any part to play. He's a literal tool.THAT ALL BEING SAID, all of the stuff that came afterwards, at least up to a certain point, or at least relevant to what I'm critiquing, was written by the same person. So I wouldn't really call it unfair, but all of the aforementioned is exclusive to WC3 and not EU/WoW.
>>746092356How did he fit into the Jailor's plan?
>>746087535Nu Jaina and turning night elves into dumb bimbo sluts is the only good thing that came from wow
>>746069328all they ever play on custom is the same shitty 1 tower upgrade defense thing, that shitty metafag Legion TD, some DotA and a bunch of horribly overcomplicated RPG maps that are completely unplayable without a written guide. There's also some autobattler thing, but that one is absolutely braindead once you figure out the meta. Nobody plays Uther Party anymore and all the really good maps are gone with the wind.
>>746068426They could not pay me to endorse that rape of a game
>>746091912Start with the AAA easy to pick up ones. Warcraft 3, Starcraft 1 and 2, Red Alert 2, C&C Generals. Then branch out from there, SupCom, Dawn of War, Homeworld, AoE, anything.
>>746088379He's not lying.When you first get Jaina, you have to make her kill every enemy/neutral npc using blizzard in order for her to join Arthas during Stratholme
>>746092451>I mean if you follow the story in WC3, it's apparent that, in terms of Humans, Arthas is the only one properly combating the Cult of the Damned (Scourge)I don't think that's apparent at all because, with the story's focus being about Arthas' corruption and fall, pretty much nothing is shown beyond of what he is doing.It might be reasonable to think he's ahead of the curve in that he is trying to deal with the source of the plague itself (the plagued grain and then Mal'Ganis), but there's no reason to assume the other generals of Lordaeron are losing.So in the absence of any information regarding the state of the war, it'd be reasonable to assume that what happens later on in the story is something necessitated by how the war is unfolding. That is to say, Arthas murdering his father shows that it was necessary for that to happen in order for the scourge to be able to win.The only reason to think otherwise is because one is either biased against the game for whatever reason or has come to it with preconceived notions about its plot based on external material.
>I’m 40 years old and my personality is being obsessed with an extremely mediocre piece of media from my childhood Kek and he’s samefagging too, what a piece of human trash >>746093330Bro is LLM slipping because no one alive gives a shit about
>>746081349Give up, it simply can't be done. This is totally not because I want a cool neutral undead faction.
>>746065625chips with chicken salt and gravy
>>746068232I as a complete retarded expected WC4 after WoTLK, you know, to set up the next set of expansion packs for WoW, but apparantly that would have been a stupid idea
>>746091912Starcraft 2 is the only one with modern MMR and an alive competitive scene so you won't get curbstomped immediately by people that have been playing for 10 years.
>>746083918>DAMN YOU MAL'GANIS HOW DARE YOU MAKE ME KILL EVERY SINGLE MAN, WOMAN AND CHILD IN STRATHOLM I WILL CHASE TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH>TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTHArthas muttered calmly
sex with Jaina
Sex with Maiev
Sex with Anub'arak
>>746095535Kinky
>>746089126Exactly. It only works because of the character and the writing. WC3 is great in every aspect.
>>746093249>int 22More like 2woke shit
>>746066330I can hear this post.
>>746056995Grubby is based and redpilled
>>746056995Reign of Chaos felt so off to me. Frostmourne is supposed to be some super amazing scary powerful sword, but Arthas gets it and then he's barely any stronger than he was before in the final mission. Then, he's supposed to be wandering through the frozen wasteland for a longass time going insane, but we immediately get the cutscene where he returns and kills his dad. I feel like it would have been better if they wrote the Orc campaign to be after the Human campaign. First of all, you'd have the two "classic" races to play as before the new ones, plus it'd feel like Arthas was actually gone for a while, plus you wouldn't have it to where Archimonde shows up and is supposed to be the baddest guy ever, then the plot comes to a screeching halt to have the whole Orc side story. That's all of course ignoring the fact that Arthas is a Kerrigan retread with a lame antihero element that was all the rage at the time. Thankfully The Frozen Throne is pure kino.
>>746058065the devil made him do it
>>746090823None of this is in WC3. Just within WC3, Arthus killing the king causes absolute chaos and directly leads to the fall of the kingdom, that is what the game shows through the missions and things like Uther's reaction. Forcing in bad writing that came later to try and paint WC3 as dumb, is really dumb.
>>746065560No, Arthas is clearly very flawed, and you see it in the very first cutscene you see him in. He only seemed “genuinely good” to a 13 year old.
>>746098565Very flawed and genuinely good are in no way contradictory, like not even close.
>>746087862Is it a bad idea to date and marry Blood Elves?
>>746098628> Very flawed and genuinely good are in no way contradictory, like not even close.Fair enough, but I have seen enough Arthas apologists on the internet who don’t seem to pick up on some basic character flaws that make him far from innocent.
>>746091912You start with Herzog Zwei.Just kidding, just start with Red Alert 2 but remember to use right-click dragging scroll when moving your screen.
>>746098960Can't be worse than IRL women
>>746091912>Have been autistically replaying dune II on dosbox since i was like 12>Never could get into proper RTS games>Still keep replaying dune II, recently found out about 2000>Never could give a lesser shit about Dune itself nor the C&C seriesYou just have to hope you find the right one, anonhttps://youtu.be/zLDCx_jOVL0
>>746099386>>Never could give a lesser shit about Dune itselfRead the books
>>746099076>basic character flaws that make him far from innocent.Obviously.Despite having more than enough army to take on Mal'ganis, he still took the cursed runeblade just to grant Chaos damage.
>>746058065he was objectively right about stratholme
>>746099516Hmmmm... No, i think i'll just go replay II again.
>>746099518hey manchaos damage goes through armor of any unit type I would do the same if I were him
>>746074736It's just not the new shitty graphics but the fuckton of bugs that they STILL haven't fixed and that will most likely never be fixed now that they re-released the "Legacy" version of the game (1.29.2).I was kind of hoping that they would at the very least re-implement all of the old missing stuff, fix the fucking game and make it permanently playable while offline but no, that is just too hard for modern Blizzard to do. It's the same reason why D2R is arguably worse than just regular D2 since they fucking refuse to make it playable offline. PD2 is also arguably the best way to play D2 nowadays since it adds almost everything that D2R has but its playable offline and has a fuckton more effort put into each patch, it even has fully functional WASD movement now, something that D2R removed because they can't be bothered to fix the gamebreaking bug that they introduced with it.
>>746095535I have heard the summons
>>746056995>ummm, actually Muradin and Mal'Ganis didn't die, in the climatic conclusion of Arthas' first character arc, rendering the entire thing a complete jokeWhy the fuck is anything past WC3 so fucking retarded. Who the fuck comes up with this shit? Nu writers are so fucking cringe.
>>746056995"...for Arby's new Triple-Stacked sandwiches! Piled high with slow-cooked brisket and roast beef, these meat behemoths will make you feel like a king, even if you aren't one yet! Though I would pay any price, this limited time combo is only $9.99! And with new locations opening in Dalaran and Stratholme, you won't have to go to the ends of the earth to take vengeance on this deal! So what are you waiting for? As your future king, I order you to purge this sandwiches! Arby's! We have the meats!"
>>746058469Arthas did a lot of horrible things as a Death Knight not because of the sword, but due to the Lich King who commanded him telepathically.The moment Arthas picked up Frostmourne, the Lich King snatched his soul.Then again, the Lich King himself isn't so dark and more towards being a victim himself.He was in fact turned this way by the Burning Legion.So Arthas was doing atrocities commanded by the Lich King who himself was under the thrall of the guys that the Undead Scourge has to summon into Azeroth in order to conquer it.Arthas started out as a genuinely good guy until he was faced with a force that was turning the people of Lordaeron into more meatshields for itself, Uther and Jaina left him when he was faced with a dark and heavy decision in the name of moral superiority, went down the slippery slope in the name of vengeance and wanting power to save Lordaeron, only to end up as its destroyer and deadliest leader of the same Undead Scourge he swore to fight. His link with Ner'Zhul caused him to shed all compassion, shame and mercy.Ner'Zhul wasn't innocent, but it's clear he didn't want to do the bidding of demons nor anything as a glorified slave in charge of a faction that is literally an undead apocalypse. He was reduced to a soul when Kil'Jaden caught him and he rejected one of the guys that is 2nd to Sargeras himself. It was either to be said slave or face something far worse than death (and since he was reduced to a soul...you see where I am going here?).By that definition both Arthas and Ner'Zhul are victims since the 1st wasn't in control of himself while the 2nd had at first a gun stuck to his head and later got chained and forced to do some seriously bad things.
>>746099386>>746099723I aspire to be just like you, anon.
>Scourge to this day is still uncurableThe absolute STATE of shamans, druids, priests, paladins, and apothecaries.
>>746101031>Then again, the Lich King himself isn't so dark and more towards being a victim himself.Many of the characters and story in WC3 revolves around bad guys trying to fuck each other over and get out on top. The Lich King is extremely dark and evil, just also a puppet in someone else's schemes to start. The carnage and destruction never stops, even after the Lich King is independently directing Arthas and the Scourge with the Legion no longer in control.
>>746068426Fuck no, they forced the shitty update on me for "free" and I still felt like I got scammed since they broke a game that had been working perfectly fine for the last 15+ years at that point. Don't give Blizzard ANY money, literally pirate all of their old shit since there is nothing good about their modern studio at all anymore.And before you ask, no, not even the online MP is worth it since the only people still playing this shit in current year are obsessed with the same stale shit that has already been played to death over the last 15 fucking years. No one hosts any of the actually good maps anymore since almost all of them have been banned for being "offensive" or they simply don't fully function anymore with the updated engine. God I miss shit like Uther party and Vampirism
>>746101292Was he?As I know he was still stuck in Icecrown Glacier. Doesn't it mean that he was still under the Legion's control.The Dreadlords in what was left of Lordaeron still had control over a good chunk of the Scourge too.It's only after Arthas fuses with Ner'Zhul and Sylvanas slaughters all but one Dreadlord (you know which one...and slaughters Gilithos) is when the Undead Scourge is finally free of Legion control.
>>746101487>Doesn't it mean that he was still under the Legion's control.No, what? Legion and Scourge are literally fighting each other in the Frozen Throne, the Legion being able to wrest control some/many of the undead is just the consequence of the Lich King weakening. It's just the two villain factions duking it out.
>>746101732But then again, wasn't the very first mission of the TFT Undead Campaing Arthas's decision to slaughter the people that were trying to escape into the mountains?
>>746101862I think so, he seems pretty independent for most of TFT besides the Lich King "motivating" him to return. But his control of the Scourge is also linked to his connection to the Lich King.The Lich King is shown as an evil entity the entire story with no care or compassion for anyone else, only concerned with its own survival and breaking free from the Legion. There's no other motivations or tendencies shown. He's the most successful schemer of them all, which is pretty impressive considering everything going on.
>>746089126Frostmourne devoured his soul when he took it.
>>746102109I think that this lack of compassion also was the result of why Arthas was how he was. Arthas's compassion, sense of shame, his very conscience were literally shut down by the Lich King. The Lich King himself didn't start out as a complete villain, but Ner'Zhul did turn over time into a self-serving arse and then put at gunpoint by the Burning Legion.I do wonder if Blizzard went with the complete soul-merge thing, would the new Lich King have regained at least some of his conscience or would've he become something far worse?Would've liked it if the Lich King made out of the fusion of Arthas's and Ner'Zhul's souls became a blank slate with memories of both and none of the negatives the two had. Not to mention slowly piecing together everything until deciding to get vengeance on the Burning Legion...but also on everyone who turned their backs on Arthas and Ner'Zhul when they were still normal and not changed.
>>746102957No. He still had his when he became a Death Knight. It snatched his soul for the Lich King to control.
>>746087737Kek
>>746076314>>746076538>Boss has a one hit kill exploit
>>746088379>he doesn't know....
>>746101269>Plants get turned into evil mushrooms>Revert back after the plaguelands are fixed.>Undead are still over the line lmao What the fuck was in those grains
>>746088379This is deltarune meme, anon
>>746087737Bur
>>746103645Kellogg's secret ingredient.
>>746103645Jailor was actually trying his best to fight against the REAL enemy: Monsanto
>>746058065>burning stratholmein the right but he acted like a retard and ostracized himself from his comrades who could've saved him later on (but they were acting retarded as well, especially Jaina)>chasing mal'ganis to northrendin the right given that Mal'Ganis was an existential threat to Lordaeron>burning the ships and blaming the mercenariesarguably in the right for the reason above>taking frostmourne and attacking muradinin the wrong and stays wrong henceforth
>>746088281>Thorn mail
>>746103880>MonsantoThe Jailer has won, then. Monsanto has been defunct for almost a decade, anon.
>>746104015No, they just got replaced by the real real enemy: Bayer
>>746104067>Uh actually there's a bigger threat and I was trying to stop it This fucking series
>>746103886>and attacking muradinHe doesn't attack Muradin, Frostmourne just kills Muradin immediately. But also blaming the Mercs was evil and driven by convenience, not the only way forward. I can understand not wanting to leave so that's more murky, but this is when Arthas turns firmly into a schemer instead of being forthright and pursuing what he thought was best for the people around him. Muradin is just the spoken conscience narratively, everything he says is correct and on the money.
>>746103864Circumcision?
Would Arthas have made a good father? How would he have raised his son and/ or daughter?
>>746099518>having more than enough armyHave we played the same game? They were on the verge of being overran by the undead. It's precisely why Arthas was pushed towards the sword in the first place.
>>746101487>GilithosI didn't know the nathrezim posted on /v/.
THE LOOOOOORD HUUUUNGERS
>>746097596Affirmative
>>746104845thrall is so lucky..
>>746081349Start dreambombing King Terenas, Antonidas, Jaina Proudmoore, Arthas, Uther about the Burning Legion and the Lich KangTerenas, Antonidas and Uther fought the Burning Legion in WC2 even if the focus of the 1st 2 games was in Stormwind
>>746103645you will get the plague jab
>>746084901Did you forget about the demon lord who was waltzing through the town teleporting away all of the zombies?
>>746104845He was pretty hotheaded in his younger years and we never got to know if or how he would have matured, but the way he was in RoC he would probably have been a good dad that raised a real jock of a son.
>>746085050ALL games and franchises that have /vg/ generals should be outlawed from /v/. No more Mario, no more GTA, no more Final Fantasy, no more Halo, no more WoW or FFXIV, etc. Do you agree?
>>746109034Don't be dumb
>>746109178Ah, you only want games you hate to not be discussed here because even seeing a thread about them sends you into shrieking hysterics.
>>746109290This is an incoherent post. What are you trying to say?
Im just saying Warcraft would have gone far better if Blizzard didnt killed off Gul'dan so early on in Wc2 and kept him as the one fucking up things for a longer time.I get the parallel with Illidan as both betrayers of their race with Illidan ultimately redeeming himself but truly the horde is a fucking shitshow ever since cataclysm.They made Thrall a coward by letting him just give up the role of warchief and also a retard by putting Orc supremacist garrosh as the leader fucking shit up for the next 3 expansions. And je still didn't came back when the retarded jamaican appointed the eternally coping morally grey yass queen as the leader despite her clearly not giving a shit about the horde which lead to even more problems for the next 2 expansions forward.Thrall indirectly caused Shadowlands which retcon and assassinated almost every bad guy in the franchise, ner zhul, sargeras, kil jaeden all of em.
>>746109436>this game has a general, stop talking about it here!>should this rule also apply for all other games with generals?>wtf you saying fucking schizo so dumb!
>>746058065Nazi's breathed air too, doesn't make it wrong to breathe air
WC2 still has the better soundtrack.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BfukC50chM
I an hero and obey
>>746109919Oh okay. Yeah I was just responding to the general idea of basing anything off of what's on /vg/ is dumb, I agree with you. >>746109892Warcraft's story was fucked the second WoW launched with its nonsensical factions / alliances. Not that they couldn't have done way better than they did, but WoW was just a disaster for the Warcraft story right from the start.
>>746110056Nah, it's good but not even close to 3.
>>746110056I remember reading the manuals for WC2 and 3, the lore always seemed so mysterious and stuff, way more so as a kid who didn't really follow what was going on in the actual story of 2Feels like that must be what ancient people felt like hearing stories about their mythical heroes
>>746110056>at about 2 minutes it suddenly becomes Protoss musicMy wife for hire!
>>746110056https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU-n8UZM5Cc
>>746103645The secret ingredient was love.
>>746109892Garrosh was such a Chad. Seeing him go from little bitch to Orc Hitler was one of the only pleasant story arcs WoW ever did. Shame how it ended.
>>746110564>Normandy, June 6th 1944, colorized
>>746104845Kael'thas finally did it!!!The sunstrider bloodline has been secured even if they are half human.
>>746111009Everyone wants Jaina
>>746110056>>746110564Yes https://youtu.be/Hb0Dsd64qkk?t=67
>>746104845As monarch of Lordaeron, Arthas's fall was motivated primarily by his paternal desire to keep his kingdom safe. In the same way, you can see that Arthas would be an excellent father. He proves himself literally willing to die in order to protect his family. He makes hotheaded mistakes in this pursuit but he is always motivated by paternal responsibility.
>>746110056>mischievous goblin-creature>or pitiful green dimwit
>>746110056True.Warcraft 3 is my favourite game, best game of all time, but the music is kinda mid, while warcraft 2 has excellent music.
Arthas (living) and Jenna. Married, King and Queen, having 20 kids keeping the Menethil line strong.
Akama Hard carried the assault on the Black Citadel and Illidan was not just blind, but retarded to not include him in his planned attack on Northrend. He could have left behind some demon hunter disciples with spell breaker abilities to govern Outland while Akama accompanied him on the march to icecrown.The Elder SAGE had some good abilities and he could have been an unrelenting enemy, harassing Arthas's base and even turtle the obelisks.
>>746112270>but retarded to not include him in his planned attack on Northrend.I think they were less eager.
>got to the thread too late to pointlessly argue about arthas' moralityFUCK
>>746112454What's there to argue about? It's been twenty years and not a single person has ever been able to successfully portray Arthas as doing even a single thing wrong.
>>746104279Actually it's the ice chunk that kills Muradin.>>746105569Crazy isn't it?
>>746104845Should've knocked up Jaina before RoC.Would've ended in a situation where he'd actually be very conflicted with going to Northend.Alternatively, in a different timeline, it would've been an Anakin and Luke situation.
>off i go then>zug zug>something need doing?>work, worknpc lines you say and nobody gets the reference
>>746058229phoenix down everybody
>>746056995patrick thats the ashbringer
>>746113072>nobody gets the referenceLike, IRL or around other gamers?
>>746113427I'm only on here or I'm at work, my coworker just turned 21 and plays vidya but we have no overlap venn diagram for games.
>>746113072I only talk to people online and everyone gets the reference. Why would you do it outside? There are normies there.
>>746114569Inception reference? Or portal reference?
>>746058065He was not wrong about Stratholme. The entire town was already infected by the time they arrived and Mal’ganis was in the city collecting them and amassing an army. If they did not kill the town Lordaeron would have been destroyed sooner.The things that came after like burning their own ships and Frostmourne, that was the turning point.
>>746115485>burning their own shipsThat's Uther fault too since he snitched to the king and he called off the expedition instead of sending reinforcements to his own son
>>746115458The original meme was something to the extent of of jews controlling the banks, being controlled by the Illuminati who is controled by lizard people, being controlled by grey aliens, being controlled by esoteric cosmic knowledge, controlled by God, who is in turn controlled by the Jews.
>>746115610girl Arthas a cute
>>746081349He went full retard in Kalimdor, but not immediately sure how to handle everything at the start.Like Medivh should've easily prevented humans, orcs and night elves from fighting each other once they were in Kalimdor, instead of waiting as a mysterious oracle in the stonetalon mountains, and then only intervening right before the end of the nelf campaign.going by the lore that Aegwynn resurrects him and he goes to Karazhan first, he knows about the plague and the burning legion plan.He should stop by Stormwind, Khaz Modan, Kul Tiras and make his statements at least.Maybe Stromgarde and Gilneas too.That's before the very start of Warcraft 3 though, and maybe he did, but they just didn't listen.canonTime 0: Medivh talks to ThrallTime 1: Medivh talks to Terenas, presumably 2-3 weeks laterTime 2: Medivh talks to Antonidas, 2 weeks laterTime 3: Medivh talks to Arthas, 5 days laterTime 4: Medivh talks to Jaina, 4 days laterTime 5: Arthas takes Frostmourne, 1 month and 2 days laterTime 6: Arthas kills Menethil, probably more than a month laterTimes taking from the wc3 mission briefings, the time between talking to Thrall and Terenas is more of a guess based on how long it would take him to get down to Dalaran after.Assuming he's bound by travel logic and can't anime teleport like in wow.So he doesn't have a lot of time.I was thinking he should've gone to the high elves too, but he might simply not have time for that.Talking to Thrall just as in canon is fine, that's where we start anyway.After that I think going to Dalaran first and talking about the plague of undeath more instead of just telling them to go west, but I would mention that there's allies to be found in the west if things go bad, to maybe prepare a bigger alliance presence in Kalimdor. Medivh wouldn't specifically know about Frostmourne, so can't go too meta and tell them to deal with the undead, but don't go to northrend.
>>746115610She did nothing wrong
>>746100728Made a paladin named Niggerdin in offline mode and the next morning it got deleted without a notification just gone.
>>746115610now THIS Girlthas could bake me a cake, Uther
>>746115485He wasnt wrong, the point was to divide them and Uther and Jaina and Arthas all fell for it. Not one of them stopped and thought the demonic necromancers might have deliberately engineered that situation to sew chaos. And there were ways around it. Arthas did not have to be there at all. They could've left some willing officers in charge to purge the town and Arthas the Prince wouldn't have to be directly involved nor the Silver Hand. But Arthas wanted to do it himself.
>>746109892WoW as an MMO retroactively destroys the setting of Warcraft. Theres just no way both can coexist.
>>746115610tranny artstyle
>>746115610Would've Uther stayed in Stratholme if Arthas looked like this?
>Arthas withstood the Hearthglen siege and stopped the delivery of contaminated grain to nearby villages all while having under command a minimal garrison of simple footman and occasional riflemen>At this time, picrel reaches the city so leisurely that his journey on horseback takes longer than Arthas's forced march on foot>Next day. Arthas, Most likely highly sleep deprived, meets Uther>"Ah, Uther! My dear friend! I'm so glad to see you!">"AY YO SHUT YO BITCH ASS MOUTH BOOOOY I'M OLDER THAN YOU OR SOMETHING BOOOY AND I DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOU BEING A PRINCE OR SOMETHING BOOOY BECAUSE I'M OLD AND PALADIN SO SHUT THE FUCK UP BITCH">/v/ will tell you Arthas is the one who escalated at the moment
>>746117470It's:*Would Uther have...*
>>746058065>>746058248Reminder after the frozen throne dlc came out, the devs confirmed if Uther and Jaina just stuck by Arthas, none of this would have happened and Arthas would have led Azeroth into a golden age. This is why the demons chose to corrupt Arthas.
>>746098330The problem is that the Undead campaign is the one that summons Archimonde and the Burning Legion, so how would you explain the whole Grom arc of the Orc campaign?
>>746061942the sad truth is there is literally non. I played one recently that was fantastic in its level design but with every mission the story and plot became more and more retarded. which is really a shame because it started very strong (gameplay wise). It was clearly made by some korean guy because there is a priest that shows up who uses the light. he has these custom voice lines like "ill channel the light for you but please don't start praying to a phony god" and his abilities have text like "uses logic, mathematics, and reason to channel the light into a healing beam". its pretty comical and never becomes self aware. Another character "lorderon black ops ranger" gets retroactively written into the story and the first thing silvanis does is get on her hands and knees and starts sucking her off because she is so cool and awesome. That said the missions were really good but god damn that plot, I couldn't go on when they got isakied into another world.
>>746121875Thanks! Every correction helps me get better!
My kingdom for sc:bw remade in wc3:tft
>>746090823>This is what really kills the story for me, because it seems like such a logical conclusion for Ner'zhul to use Arthas to infiltrate Lordaeron and dismantle it from the inside, or even command it and use it.isnt that LITERALLY what happens? Nerzhul knows he ultimately cant win a ground war, thats why he uses arthus to destroy the kingdom and splinter the alliance from within. The scourge isn't "steam rolling" no one knew what was happening until stratholm. The alliance working together would have probably beat the scourge even if lorderon took the brunt of the surprise attacks. You have to understand the dreadlords were watching over the lich king and they were in on the corrupt arthus plot point too. Malganis baits him along.
>>746117431Everything is tranny to you people.
>>746111084I was going to ask why any man with a brain would want the dumbest woman in the entire world who fucks up everything she ever cares about, but then I remembered that retards like Tyrande, Sylvanas, Elune, etc. also exist. Why are Warcraft women incapable of doing anything right?
>>746126749lots of trannys these days, that artist is a tranny "lesbian" tho
>>746056995I'm willing to bet that the reason Ner'zhul got sidelined so hard in favour of Arthas was because of anti-orc racism.
Assuming Arthas responds to Muradin with>oh shit, cursed? Well we can't use this sword then.What then? He can't beat Mal'Ganis without the magic devil sword. His ships are burnt and the undead are pissed and closing in from all sides.
>>746127352Jaina is a complete hottie in Warcraft 3, dresses like a hottie, is an extremely competent wizard, and actually doesn't do much wrong and competently leads humanity once they finish their journey across the sea.Remember to simply disregard everything past Frozen Throne and suddenly every character is better.
>>746109892Garrosh is one of the very few kino things coming out of nu WoW
>>746128638Muradin will help him
>>746068232I was too
>>746128638Maybe he finds a way out, or maybe he dies out there. Either way, the plan to bring down the Kingdom from within actually does fail.
>>746104671lol
>>746113905is that Life of a Peasant?
>>746127418I see a regular woman, but I defer to you people's intimate expert knowledge of trannies.
>WCIII Heroes have random names>Night elf hero>Priestess of the moon>Mave WhisperwindI joke that she was Tyrande's younger sister who also trained to be a priestess of Elune and genuinely had feelings for Illidan but it was unrequited because, for 10,000 years Illidan Stormrage had no idea that Tyrande had a little sister.Screw it, if Blizzard loves shitting on its lore, then Mave Whisperwind was 200 % loyal to Illidan and even supported him when he became a fugitive, providing with her night elven forces for support when he was in the Felwood and was tasked by Arthas to destroy the Skull of Gul'dan and kill tichondrius.
>>746127983Or because WoW is trashBecause I can tell you that the Lich King in wotlk has nothing to do with Arthas
>>746093249
>>746130157
>>746131471>>746131635what the fuck happened to Maiev btw?
>>746131942The tales say she is still seething with sexual tension for Illidan to this very day
>>746131942Got really depressed after Illidan left and became a jailer. She appeared again but she has no purpose anymore and she misses Illidan.
>>746056995Holy tummyWhy did Arthas go crazy when he could've just been at home banging this?
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>>746130157>>WCIII Heroes have random namesSome of them do become actual WoW characters like Tam Windtotem, Dalar Dawnweaver and almost every paladin.
>>746075628>>746077179It's funny because they LOOOOOOOOOVE using him in marketing to this day.
>>746132441He's literally the Big Bad in their new DND crossover.
>>746132342That's a nice touch.
>>746132214Because he wouldn't leave well enough alone he had to save the Kingdom.
>>746056995If warcraft 3 reforged had the hots style I think it would've been slightly better received, not lots because of all the other glaring flaws but still a little
>>746132214>putting pussy on a pedestal He was probably well sick of her shit by this point. If anything, it was probably her constant nagging was what drove him to believe that the evil soul stealing sword couldn't be a worse option.
>>746056995Do you guys think Maiev had her way with Illidan when he was imprisoned? She definitely seems to want to hate fuck him
>>746132712Hots is on the starcraft engineWc3 remake deserved a new engineThey would have killed LoL as well with this
>>746132997Definitely.
Maiev (slut)
>>746132997Controversial take: Maive just wants to kill Illidan. And there is literally nothing else going on. She's just obsessed with vengeance (just like other characters in the story). And when she has the chance she immediately advocates for executing him instead of any other punishment.
>>746056995this was the last good game ever made
>>746058065He was in the wrong, just not for the reason the game would assert. Arthas' call in Stratholme was objectively correct, and Uther should have been tried for treason, and been removed from his position for his actions. Arthas being in the wrong was afterwards, when his priorities shifted from protecting humanity, to vengeance against its assailants. The end goal may look similar enough, but that shift is what allowed Arthas to do the truly reprehensible things he did afterwards. Uther can be considered partially responsible for this, it probably wouldn't have happened if Uther hadn't pitched his tantrum, but Arthas is an adult and can make his own decisions. Nobody made him do anything until well after.
>>746133232Yeah, execution by snu snu, as is the custom for the Kaldorei.
>>746133493Nyo
>>746058065According to that one ex-Blizz dev arthas was in the wrong because it'd be like us executing all covid carriers
>>746132997I think that, the Watcher units in the prison were their children:>First born daughter : Naisha. Hates dad for the crime because she got bullied at school being the child of a betrayer.>Second born daughters: The beta version wardens. Love dad but guarding him takes priority.>Third born sons: The mystics, who study day and night, Kaldorei common law and are their father's legal team, always appealing to the Night Elven supreme court to lower his sentence and request urgent medical attention after 200 years of pelvis demolishing sex with Maiev>Third born daughters: The sentries. Fiercely protective of their dad.The elder wildkin watcher and califax, the Keeper of the Grove, were their childhood friends.
>>746133232I would agree with this. Her letting Malfurion believe Tyrande was dead suggests a degree of inability to process love as a real factor in decision-making.If she WAS motivated by love for Illidan, then she would have recognized what a bad idea that was to lie to Malfurion about Tyrande.The fact that she considered it a good idea to just say she died, and hope Malfurion would become motivated by vengeance, instead of anything else, wouldn't make sense if her autism about Illidan was motivated by love for him. Hot as the idea of her being dripping wet for the whole campaign would be.
>>746133720>According to that one ex-Blizz dev arthas was in the wrong because it'd be like us executing all covid carriersDamn I forgot about the time covid made all infected into flesh eating undead
What if Arthas never reached Northrend for some reason and Muradin's squad is alone there? Can they regroup after being ambushed without sudden reinforcement? What's after that?
>>746133962You don't have to love or even like someone to have sex with them
>>746133720I think the Scourge is a slightly bigger problem than the flu, anon
>>746134008>>746134118https://www.youtube.com/shorts/e2Xpot48318
>>746134035The entire dwarf expedition gets murderized by zombies and raised as undead dwarves.
>>746133962Only thing getting Maive wet was all those damn Naga getting in the way. Fucking Naggas. >>746134035Well in the Frozen Throne, they slip away to the underground nerubian whatever city. So maybe something like that, but they are still trapped there.
>>746133720Covid doesn't have a 100% mortality rate, or turn the corpses of the deceased into yet more potential, active murder, thoughbeit. There is no way to save any of the infected, on the timetable they had to work on. It was just the choice of allowing potentially more to die for no upside, potential or otherwise.
>>746134153>people calling him out in the comments There is hope yet
>>746134153This guy is such a fucktard. He's a level designer, not a narrative writer, and his level design doesn't even leave anything up to interpretation: all villagers turn into zombies. Every single one.And he also ignores the demon running around making things worse.
>>746134228<naga stole my bike>
>>746134217>>746134228But Muradin can turn to mercenaries for help, no?Without Arthas to put blame on them, can't they join forces and reach the sword?
>>746134153>I will equate covid with the incurable disease that turns normal people into undead, rabid, thoughtless, flesh-eating monstersWhy would someone think this is a good comparison? That measures against the Scourge and measures against covid would be equal?
>>746134502What does reaching the sword do? The mercs might help, but the issue is still Muradin doesn't have any way to leave Northrend by himself, or at least that's the way he tells it.
>>746134228>NaggasDas OUR word!
>>746134746Can't the Dwarves just go to the grizzly hills, it's pretty nice they could live there just fine
>>746086083An Orc wouldn't have been able to waltz into Lordaeron unopposed, murder the king on his throne and sick the Scourge on the kingdom before anyone has a clue what is happening.
>>746134035I think the Dwarves just dig in to some mountain or ruin, and maintain a functional siege forever. Not literally forever, the dwarves would eventually die to old age if nothing else, but, there's really not a way the then scourge has to break that particular bunker, especially since they're spread kinda thin operating elsewhere, and stockpiling troops for The Big Day, whatever that ends up being in this scenario. Honestly the bigger risk is the Dwarves picking a bad spot to dig in and dying to whatever's in there with them.If Arthas doesn't sail for Northrend when he does, then eventually someone else does to assault the Scourge at some point. Maybe it's Arthas at a later date or some other human group, maybe it's Illadin, it doesn't really matter much. The timeline is pushed back, but largely doesn't change beyond the details and potential life and death of a few individual dwarves.
>>746134746>What does reaching the sword do?I mean, isn't finding the sword is the main reason Muradin's expedition is there?
>>746134983idk, I'm not a WoWhead. Also in WoW apparently Muradin just tanked Frostmourne because, lol? Lmao?>>746135045Yes but the problem is they became stranded there. So finding the sword is nice, but the Muradin just goes "oh fug, it's cursed" and nothing about the situation has improved. He's not stubbornly hanging out there to get the sword, he's hanging out there because they couldn't get out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A20Dcw9Izyo
>>746135207>apparently Muradin just tanked Frostmourne because, lol? Lmao?I think it gave him amnesia and then somehow he ended up leading a bunch of ice dwarves
>>746133268What about Oblivion?
>>746135445Yeah, it's just lame as shit. Arthas watching him die and not giving a single fuck is pretty damn important.
>>746086083Important contextThe Scourge weren't JUST the current plan, it was also a proof of concept testbed for how the Burning Legion might conquer worlds going forwards. Some degrees of efficiency being sacrificed to get better data would be expected under such circumstances. They're trying new shit out, getting a feel for its strengths and weaknesses, seeing the cool shit they can do with it that they previously couldn't. The nature of Nerzhul's imprisonment also wasn't super well understood, it was likely assumed he just wouldn't be able to make any moves big enough to actually upset the Burning Legion's plans, and wouldn't dare oppose the people who had already taught him a lesson. They were wrong, but, it's not the most stupid mistake to make, especially if questioning the safety of the situation your boss set up, brings doubt onto your vindictive boss. Boss man says it's fine, it's probably fine, unless you want to be the guy that tells him he might have made a mistake. This is why a non-toxic work environment where good faith criticism and questioning of orders is important, even for evil overlords.
>>746135207>he's hanging out there because they couldn't get out.Doesn't anyone know they're there? In a mission with mercs, they send an airship with a messenger. Can't they send the same one to pick up dwarfs?
>>746135707>Doesn't anyone know they're there?Seems like people don't know, or very few know. Arthas doesn't know. But that's all we know from WC3 for sure.
>>746129091I never said Garrosh was bad, in fact he's too based, the issue is that he does shits without any guidance and ends up failing twice like an idiot.If Gul dan was kept a live he would have executed his plans with more cleverness than simply declaring war to every living beings that exists. My biggest grievance about WoW is how it seem to barely acknowledge the RTS has more than background for the mmo.Garrosh should have based his whole ideology upon the fact Orcs did won the first war at some point but their lack of cohesion destroyed their whole conquest.>they lost because of gul dan betraying themindeed, that's why gul dan should have stayed alive or died because of kil jaeden and not his thirst for power
>>746135707Given the sort of bizarre scaling of things in Warcraft 3, it's a bit easy to overlook that the fleet sent to Northrend isn't actually just a couple boats with a dozen guys on it, it's a massive naval armada, that importantly has enough supplies to make the crossing, supply the campaign in Northrend, then make it home. Airships simply aren't the same level of beast when it comes to strategic mobility. You can't pack a thousand men into airships and send them home that way, because they'd starve. The airships are much smaller, and can carry much less cargo than the actual ships. You MIGHT be able to pack an airship enough to make a voyage of that scale with maybe two or three guys on it, assuming the airships themselves don't need any limited supply you aren't finding over open water, but that's not saving the entire armada. At best that's getting a message home to send a rescue crew to pick up whoever's still alive in a few months.
>>746081349>Reach for Arthas>"Uther is fucking stupid please be patient and keep your cool when explaining serious stuff to him">Reach for Jaina>"Never leave Arthas alone he needs your help. Also ask your father to help dwarfs in Northrend">Reach for Thrall>"Yeah fuck of somewhere west or east or anywhere bro">Reach for elves >"Come help humans they need you or forest will die or something"Aliance together will destroy demons.
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>>746132997Its way funnier that Tyrande didnt wanna fuck him and Maiev also just wants to kill him with 0 other thought The elf born to be cucked
>Starcraft, Diablo II and Warcraft III all in a span of 5 yearsHow did Blizzard do it?
>>746136569Then he gets on his knees and bows and scrapes before a demon immediately in Frozen Throne at the slightest suggestion he might get Tyrande somehow. Atrocious levels of simping.
>>746136569Apparently there is a bronze dragonflight quest in nu-wow where illidan and tyrande are on a date and you have to foil it so she ends up with malfurion
>>746136261Someone actually was crazy enough to try a balloon ship for an Arctic Expedition. It crashed due to winds and instability in such a crazy environment and all 3 men were killed and eaten by bears a few months later trying to walk out. They werent found for 20 years then someone found their final campsite and the photos they'd taken and published them.
>>746136720It is a mystery that we may never be able to figure out.
>>746076314>you may die at any timeso what? that's how everybody lives
>>746136720>How did Blizzard do it?By not taking 3 months to design, model and animate every single character and creature in the game, also not spending over 3 weeks to ship 5 lines of code.
>>746137415The days of minimizing animations and voicelines and such are gone and I miss them so much. Warcraft III and starcraft has cinematics just for key, punchy, impactful moments, which only serves to highlight them and make them feel even more important.Even big RPGs commonly would only voice key lines of dialogue to establish a character, or give weight to a very important moment. All this was efficient and smart and helped people focus on actually just finishing their damn games. RTS like C&C used FMV to efficiently create their characters and storyline moments. Many games took their engine and just drafted new story and missions and units and then gave you MORE content, more of what you already declared you liked and wanted more of (imagine), and all in a timely manner. Efficiency, working smart, completely dead art for the top line studios nowadays.
>>746101031>Ner'Zhul wasn't innocent, but it's clear he didn't want to do the bidding of demons nor anything as a glorified slave in charge of a faction that is literally an undead apocalypse. Ner'zhul went mad by the end of Warcraft II and not due to funny cursed artifact, but on his own volition.He abandoned his subordinate to a soon to be exploding planet and jumped head first into the portal.
>>746056995is the reforged version bad if i just want to play through the main campaign?
>>746138129He knew Kil'jaeden was after him, right? I'd do anything I could to get the fuck out if I could too.
>>746138237Yes. It actually just straight up has replaced audio and bugs and worse cutscenes and just is inferior to the original product. Pirate the Pre-reforged version instead.
>>746138253Beyond The Dark Portal has Ner'zhul commanding the remnant of Orc army to collect Mcguffin to summon another portal to conquer another planet. But ended up destablized the entire universe by summoning too many portals. He abandoned all his comrades due to the prospect of conquering another planet, but ended up landing right inside Twisting Nether. Where he met Kil'jaeden.
>>746065997>Arthas was portrayed as reckless and arrogantWrong, Arthas was portrayed as the only single entity in the world of Azeroth who actually knew what was going on and what the risks.Uther didn't care about an entire city falling to the undeath even if his only fucking job is to protect people.Jaina is a woman and got the ick.Terenas was warned about the plague and didn't care.Arthas was literally the only person who was willing to do anything to get rid of the cult of the damned and the undead.
>>746115610WOULD
>>746127983Metzen did some cool art back then
>>746135234Warcraft peaked here.
>OOOOH but he destroyed THE WHOLE CITY. Like, HE KILLED EVERY SINGLE SOULD THAT LIVED THERE. Full genocide. Not a single person left alive>Aftermission cinematic shows locals stockpilling corpses to burn them, implying that Arthas managed to save some people He was right all the way
>>746059601Where are all the orc blademasters in WoW?
>>746140440Don't worry about it. Here, have gay twink dragons, pedophile furrys and gay bearded dwarfs.
>>746132712Hots was made inhouse. With a small team of the last batch of old Blizz veteran devs.Reforged was outsourced to the cheapest Malaysian shitters iirc
>>746132712They outsourced reforged to indians which is why it sucks fo fucking bad. If they had made it in house people would have loved reforge just like people loved resurrected. The soul complaint people would of had was the change to custom game ownership.
>>746115610I can fix her
We did it boys. We hit the bump limit.It's ogre.
>>746115610>>746140794You can't fix her. Nothing can
>>746140987Damn, some nice Absolute Territory going on here.
>>746141063
>>746141338So disapointed they brought her back to be one of the new four horseman but hit her with the ugly stick since we cant have attractive women anymore.
>>746131471>>746131635>>746132208>>746132328>>746132461>>746132697>>746133041Man they better add Demon Hunter to Classic+...for important reasons.
>>746133720Oh yeah I remember THAT hysteriaNow every leftist pretends it never happened
>>746141545they did WHAT to her?
>>746141631>Arise, my champion!>no thanks, I'm good
>>746141631
>>746141338That's my coom fuel wife
>>746056995>I was a fool for trusting the lightedgy..
>>746142023Not anymore since they retconned the light to not be good and is now just a power anyone can use even evil people.
>>746141897>>746141905... heresy
>>746142213It's been that way since at least classic WoW, given the Scarlet Crusade. One could say it was the case in Warcraft 3 since Arthas doesn't lose his Light powers until he becomes undead.
>>746142389The Scarlet Crusade believed they were fighting for a genuine good cause and that was enough for them to be able to use the light.
>>746142389It's pretty easy to dismiss that as just a very temporary transition period. He was a full on Paladin and only just took up the cursed sword, so idk, just lingering misplaced power that fixed itself pretty fast. Also just structurally not wanting to completely change his mechanics in the final mission where it would confuse the player.
>>746142389Vanilla wow
>>746142389Scarlet Crusade were in the right. Unrelated but the Amani were in the right too.
>>746141545Play some hots with me
Good thread, boys and lads
>>746142794Okay>auto picks Abathur
>>746142870Indeed. Another resounding victory in the purge.
>>746142896I will pick Illidan then!
>>746142956
>>746142213The Light isn't good, it's retarded. That's why someone like Uther is allowed to wield it.
>>746142213w-what?!QRD?
>>746143114The Light is now a cosmic force just like the Void. It's not "good" aligned, but rather characterized as being a zealous power that seeks to dominate and wipe out shadow aligned forces. There's an entire faction of nazi Light infused draenei that fly around in their genocide space ships.
>>746143308what the fuck did they do to my babyt. stopped playing around wotlk when it got too retarded
>>746143308>There's an entire faction of nazi Light infused draenei that fly around in their genocide space ships.What, like those Lightforged I've been hearing about?
>>746143382guess what nigger Light aligned dreadlords!
>>746143308>There's an entire faction of nazi Light infused draenei that fly around in their genocide space ships
>>746143432Hes based though.
>>746143432Reverse Dreadlord Jaina....
>>746143432This would have been a nice april fools joke back then...
>>746143432What the fuck?
>>746143556She's so hot
