>>746060495
the guy who posts AI generated mmo threads has better ideas

>>746060571
If he's using AI then he's using indians and his suggestions are already invalid.

These are good ideas

titty/ass/belly sliders

>>746061147
it isn't 2004 anon, that would get bad press.

>>746060495
These are mostly fucking awful but world buffs do indeed need to fuck off if they want me to give them money

increase item stack sizes

>>746061804
>These are mostly fucking awful
t. Has nostalgia for a version of the game he never played

>>746060495
>starts at patch 1.1.0 for pve content, spell, class balance, and talent trees
nobody wants this

>all this to not even match what a bunch of fat NEETs can make with private servers
what a joke of a multi-billion dollar company lol

>>746062895
nobody knows what anybody wants from classic+. its the most schizophrenic shit thats entirely just vague shit floating around in the clouds. there is no consensus within the playerbase.

>>746060495
>pvp gear will have pvp bonuses and be stated for pvp specifically
so... resilience?

>>746062895
I want that. Everyone claims they remember classic, but they really don't. It would be extremely fun to go back to what people originally experienced day 1 and try to play it. It's so foreign to everyone that it would actually be a completely different game.

>>746060495
>pvp in mmos before tbc: grind for cool rare item to pwn noobs
>pvp after vanilla: you need special pvp gear to pvp that you get from a completely separate progression path
why are wowfags like this?

>>746060495
I dont giver a shit, I hope you die IRL. Wow trannies need the rope.

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>>746060495
>pvp gear is earned through points awarded weekly based off number of games played (not won) and has a realistic cap of like 25 total matches.
>rewards for winning will be season based titles and cosmetics
Oh good, I look forward to the fighting between the people trying to get end of season rewards and the people that want to throw the match to they can get their 25 in for the week
Great idea you retarded monkey

>>746063447
Because the best pvp gear coming from raids is not really fun, and it causes the dev teams to struggle to balance pvp interactions. Instead of just picking pve servers, pvp players will cry and complain endlessly when they get 1 shot by a raid geared player.

>>746063792
I hate to break it to you anon, but people already throw the match to go next as fast as possible if they're losing when losing doesn't even reward anything.

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>>746064009
So that means we should incentivize those retards on a massive scale
Truly a 200IQ idea

>>746060495
>starts at patch 1.1.0 for pve content, spell, class balance, and talent trees
0 spell power on gear, casters would suck even more then usual

>>746063263
This.
I actually played wow back when it first came out. I was so disappointed classic was being based off of the 1.12 patch, which is the lamest wow classic patch.

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>>746060495
>mfw I hear someone call wow in 2004- 06 "classic" wow

>>746063792
So you never played wow before? This is what happens now, once one team looks like its losing people start getting trash talking for fighting back and delaying the loss. in AV you get mass reported for not giving up from the start if your faction is the one that usually throws on purpose.

>>746063792
points should literally only be awarded through world pvp. fuck battlegrounds. only fun thing to do is gank fuckers in the open world

>>746064401
what?

>>746060495
>all this shit
>actually zero mention of fixing paladin druid and shaman into being viable for anything other than healbots
into the trash your opinion goes

>>746063447
Fags will shard and fard themselves but I always liked that vanilla was PvE to PvP. You had to experience the whole game.

>>746064621
sorry anon. season of discovery gave paladin crusader strike, and we can't use concepts that were introduced after the OG vanilla

>>746060495
>Level caps KEK

>>746064131
No, that means we shouldn't punish losing. Trying to grind tokens is a nightmare when it's based on winning, in a team game where 1 person can just decide that the team isn't winning fast enough and start throwing so they can go next.

>>746064697
yeah except it also gave all the other classes good shit at the same time thus keeping paladin still at the bottom of the newly established bar for classes
what needed to happen was paladin getting crusader strike with zero changes to other classes (except druid and shaman who also need buffs to be viable in a vanilla environment)

>>746064723
its honestly not a bad idea. SOD ruined it with their rune garbage and shitty PvP events.

You can never go home again

>>746064523
I support world pvp big time, but faggots will just shard into their faction dominated layer

>>746064789
paladin is already batshit insane OP in PvP and in 5 mans. buffing him just for raids is reatrded when 99% of people only do raids to get gear so they can PvP or farm 5-10 mans anyways

>>746064621
Anon, I am saying they should start with the original launch talents and skills solely to give them a blank slate to make new changes, abilities, and talents for all classes. If they start with the end patch of WoW the player base will already have a meta, and expectations for their classes established. By completely going backwards, it opens up new design paths without breaking these images people already hold for the classes.

That's not what classic plus is you drooling retard, that's just more SoD shit
classic plus is that they continue developing vanilla as if tbc never came out

>>746064723
Level caps were the most fun part of SoD. Once it got to 60 the game was the same boring shit we've seen before. Bfd, gnomergan, and sunken temple were the peak of WoW in the last 20 years.

>>746060495
You guys do know that almost every single wow vanilla dev has left blizzard, right?

>>746060495
What the hell, I literally just watched a video of Classic+. Pretty interesting vid of where it could go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7d_lA7ahAU

why do browns fear bosses with more than 1 mechanic?

>>746064723
I would 100% support level cap
People rushing 60 are fucking gay

>>746065053
was there a single good vanilla dev?

>>746063447
This is part of the reason why wow sucked in TBC for me. In my eyes it felt like raiding gave you worthless gear that was only good for more raiding.

>>746064697
Paladin launching without crusader strike had to be a mistake/it was unfinished and they didn't have time, and no one can convince me otherwise.

>>746065206
They deliberately removed it. It wasn't forgotten.

>>746065241
It had to be a mistake or that the talent was broken and they didn't have time to fix it before launch. Paladin had nothing to do besides judge and seal, it was terrible.

>>746060495
>time to roll out new content
it should be launching with a bunch of new content. They should have multiple new zones, dungeons, playable races, and quests like a real expansion would have.
It should be like classic got an expansion.
>wanting Blizz to make anything in the current year
Yeah I know, but the laundry list of raid/pvp changes hinges on blizzard being competent too.

>>746065206
It was. It was removed last minute because Tigole had a personal grudge against them from Everquest and that carried over to WoW.

>>746065312
OR the vanilla devs were fucking retarded?
Half the classes are unfinished and unplayable, Ret isnt an outlier. They thought hybrid dps would be hard casting heals mid combat and nerfed them into the dirt to compensate.

>>746064697
paladins literally had crusader strike in the vanilla beta

>WoW Classic style of leveling
>Wrath style of Quests
>Legions World Quests as a way for players to do timed event quests that changes up what is going on in the world (Quilboar raids, Stopping a demon summoning attempt, Holding back a Dragonmaw assault, or other events that make sense.
>Retell the entire lore, but work the events into a more natural flow. Save Illidan and Outlands for later. Save the Lich King for later. Turn minor dungeons into major events that allows the change of landscape with the ability to return via the 'Bronze Dragonflight' as the lore mechanic without permanently removing a zone for people to explore. Thus, new versions can have much different quests and story happening there.

Add pvp objectives to more zones

>>746060495
Classic players are the worst people you can imagine. They were okay in 2019 but now all that remains are just soulless overachievers that buy gold. It will always be bad at this point. MMOs have been ruined, their mentality extends all over the place now. It's over. It's finished. Give it up.

>>746065151
Every single one yeah.

>>746065726
Yeah. Hire mods and ban gold buyers / sellers. Simple as.

>>746060495
>step 1: fire everybody at Blizzard and hire people that like Warcraft

>>746065053
Most of the entire team left right after vanilla launched. If you ever wonder why there were all these actually old school ideas in the original production, like languages being a profession, yet none of them actually reflecting in the game, thats why.

>>746064985
>classic plus is that they continue developing vanilla as if tbc never came out
so classic + is something that will never exist.

>>746065451
>Neltharion and Ragnaros beaten
>Actually rework Sillithus into an actual zone (Burning out infested ancient temples, diving into hives to burn them out and so on.
>Naxxramas can lead to a new zone (unaccessable zone in the map) that could be a new questing hub for the main Scourge base and ports. Argent Dawn, Scarlet Crusade and the Forsaken are seeking to sabotage/take over the ports of Lorderon once again. Can even make it a PvP zone that decides who claims it in a future patch.
>Reference future zones and the reasons they aren't accessable yet (You could make new versions of Cataclysm zones early on.)
>Allow High Elves and Blood Elves to work without a retarded ass reason (Lets face it, We are stuck with Horde elves forever)

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>>746060495
>>classic plus

>>746064985
Classic+ should be like classic never happened. Start from day 1, and take the game in a completely different directionm i don't want to play the Nth iteration of the same dungeons, raids, and classes again. Continuing beyond Naxx is a boring idea. I want a brand new experience from start to finish in the original azeroth.

>>746065790
then how come none of the content was good?

>>746064865
>layer
Instant shit. Absolutely irredeemable diarrhea. It can have all the stuff from the op post and it still will be pure garbage if it has layers.

>>746060495
>pvp gear will have pvp bonuses and be stated for pvp specifically
>raids will be capped at 25 players
Kill yourself tranny, go back.

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What exactly was the situation here?

Instead of trying to "save Classic Wow" or whatever, why not just... move on to something else?

>>746066096
I miss when memes were stuff like this, it was better times

>>746066181
i feel like the game got too AoE centric in TBC and Wrath, i would like to see classes had they kept most of them single target only

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>>746060495
>has actual human mods to deal with botters, farmers, and rmt
Modern Blizzard? Not a chance in hell. They would reach through the screen and stab you in the face if it meant saving $0.02 per month in operating costs.

>>746060495
>>only MC and Onyxia will carry over from classic
>Not BWL
BWL is directly connected to both MC and Onyxia. Nef and Rag are fighting for control of the spire and he's Onyxia's sister.

>>746067646
>sister
brother*

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>>746065206
see here >>746065389

those fucking NIGGERS tigole and furor deliberately sabotaged paladin to make sure they were trash on release
i even have evidence for this, check this shit out which was IN THE ALPHA AND FULLY FUNCTIONAL, AND THOSE FUCKING FAGGOTS REMOVED IT OVER THEIR HURRR EVERQUEST GRUDGE GOD I HATE BOTH OF THOSE CUNTS PIC FUCKING VERY RELATED

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>>746067751
AND HERES THIS TOO ALSO FROM THE ALPHA AND WAS ALSO CUT FUCK YOU TIGOLE AND FUCK YOU FUROR I HOPE SOMEONE CASTRATES YOU BOTH WITH A RUSTY TIN CAN LID YEAH IM STILL MAD AFTER ALL THESE YEARS I WILL NEVER NOT BE MAD

>>746065312
Go back and read what the lead designers were saying at the time. They said since paladin is a hybrid class, then they must pay a "hybrid tax" to be nerf them. Because they were going by the "jack of all trades, master of none". By Wrath, they realized that's fucking retarded and unfun.

Epoch wow had SOME decent ideas, finishing up quests that randomly dropped with no conclusions, adding actual good shit in all professions, ring of blood in STV, the remade Wailing Caverns and Dead Mines were superb

>>746067178
The fact this is also in Zangermarsh and the Forsaken have them in Venomspite makes me forget that the Horde allows slavery

>>746067751
Can i ask what you mean by grudge? Doea everquest have PvP and they got raped by paladins or is this like some sort of parsetranny performance seethe

>>746067995
No, EQ had hybrids that temporarily beat out traditional tanks and those faggots took it personally. Hybrids in EQ were punished by needing more XP to level.

>>746067751
>wah my paladin isn't god wahh
aren't you glad retail wow have been catering to your retarded underage ass since tbc

>>746067995
OKAY TIME FOR A STORY
so in everquest, tigole and furor ran a guild called legacy of steel and god fucking christ were they the proginetors of the poopsockers. seriously these guys spent 23 hours a day on that shit
and both were massive PVP fags on top of being raiders, and both used really overpowered builds that would win in ALMOST ANY matchup

THE ONLY matchup that would stomp their cheesey faggot ass set up... was YEP YOU GUESSED IT. paladins.

both of them got so fucking assmad about it that they ranted at the top of their lungs all day every day about it, and the moment they got into blizzard and got power, the fucking vietnam flashbacks of chad paladins coming into a zone to kick their bitch asses out when they were ganking people came back to haunt them, and they DELIBERATELY sabotaged paladin in wow to make the fucking useless as anything other than a heal bot, and us paladin players suffered under this FOR FOUR GOD DAMN FUCKING YEARS UNTIL THEY WERE FINALLY OUSTED AND WOTLK RELEASED

>>746060495
>starts at patch 1.1.0
Already a deal breaker for blizzard; too much work, difficulty will alienate majority of their player base

>>746067061
anon I created my account in december of 2004, and quit retail when cata released.

>>746067995
>>746068131
I'm blown away that people that are interested in Classic WoW dont know this.

>>746068223
>2 guys cucked druids and paladins for almost a decade
extremely based if you ask me

>>746068407
every single paladin and most druids and shamans who were around for real vanilla know about this. the other classes just EXIST IN FUCKING IGNORANCE as they REAP THE BENEFITS of this UNJUST AND UNFAIR TREATMENT

i especially fucking hate warrior and rogue mains because those cunts will say or do *ANYTHING* to prevent any competition in melee dps from appearing, especially from a hybrid. fuck anyone who believes in the 'hybrid tax' with a rusty spoon.

>>746068446
paladins have been overpowered longer than they were shit so it evens out

>>746068489
There should be a hybrid tax but not to the extend that it was in vanilla. Hybrid tax in vanilla just meant healbot.

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>>746068446
WELL I DIDNT FUCKING ASK YOU DICKWAD

>>746068593
you can fix so much of vanilla simply by slashing hybrid mana costs by 50%

>>746060571
Look at the image in OP. This IS an AI thread.

>>746068081
>>746068223
no idea how it works in EQ but hybrids in WoW have never been jack of all trades (except maybe druid), you can only actually use one spec/talent tree distribution at a given time, so you're just shittier at each role individually. You just have more options in terms of respecs (which doing repeatedly got expensive back in the day)which means little.

>>746065423
>>746067839
The people calling the shots were EQ raiders and the overwhelming majority of classes in EQ were one-trick meme classes that cast one or two spells and then jerked off in a corner while the holy trinity cleared the raid. (Unless they were a paladin or sk in which case they didn't really do anything and were only even invited to fill out space.) Literally only warriors could tank and only clerics could heal, only wizards and rogues could dps, and while other classes might have had healing spells or damaging abilities, none of them could hold a candle to the trinity (which was actually four classes but still).

This was considered acceptable and is the reason the hybrid classes in WoW were treated like red-headed step children. Even warlocks were dogshit and it's because they were viewed like EQ necromancers ie dumb meme class for edgy losers who refused to just play wizard.

>>746068407
a lot of people have played WoW but not everquest, it really should not be a "holy shit" moment unless you are from an era where this actually might have been the the norm in which case you are OLD old. I already knew about Tigole, i did not know he personally hated paladins.

>>746068672
yeah HMMM ITS ALMOST LIKE THE HYBRID TAX IS TOTAL BULLSHIT WHICH SHOULD NEVER BE USED AN EXCUSE HUH?

>>746070132
hybrid tax is a good thing in a game like classic where the talents and roles aren't as well defined. Classes shouldn't be able to do everything, it's OP. Just like druids during phase 1 and 2 of SoD. Completely busted class

>>746063263
Internet is different now you fucking idiot. You WILL NEVER get the original MMO feel for WoW or anything else. Min/maxing is here to stay and as long as information is available on the Internet, it is NEVER going away. Anyone trying to catch the same high as in 2004 is a fucking retard.

>>746060495
>save WoW
Make a new game.

>>746060495
this is just SoD but even worse, never make a video game

>>746060495
>Aggrend if you're reading this, this is how you save WoW and become the greatest developer of the 2020's

By not listening to this retarded OP.

>>746070970
I just want a good massively multiplayer fantasy game with an immersive world and fun social dynamics, i dont care if people minmax or not

>>746063930
>Because the best pvp gear coming from raids is not really fun
yes it is. that's how every mmo used to work, that was part of the reward for spending 10000000 hours grinding for an item.

>>746070970
Of course min maxing will exist. It has always existed. People were trying to min max in 2005 too. One of the first required addons in raids were damage meters, because when you're stuck on a boss, you look for weak points. However parsefags take this to the extreme and that shit needs to die.

>>746063109
A lot of people do know what they want, the problem is they all want different things, and many of them simply want to go back in time themselves.

>>746068489
The hybrid tax should exist because otherwise something like a druid could be tank, melee dps, ranged dps, or a healer. The only thing they lack is ranged physical damage. If respecs were time limited you could get away with no hybrid tax because then if a druid wants to be balance for this content they'd be locked out of being melee dps, tank, or healer for say, a week. But without methods like that you'd have to give one/two role classes a reason to exist when they will have a significantly harder time finding spots in a taxless world.

>>746071239
If you want the best pvp items to be the best raid items, then you need to convince all the shitters that pvp never being remotely balanced is perfectly okay. That will never happen though, because even in SoD many of their changes were because of pvp balancing. As anytime an ability was just a little too good they would nerf it to oblivion, because the forums, twitter, reddit, etc were all crying about getting killed.

>>746071331
>mfw homie who got to OG naxx says his guild MT didnt train demo shout

y-yeah... minmaxing...

>>746060495
>warrior rage is normalized
retail shit. rage doesn't need to be normalized for warriors to be balanced, see BC. not reading the rest of your retarded ideas.

>>746071239
>>746071584
In an ideal situation the pvp items would have stats that are only useful for pvp that makes their respective tier equal or slightly better to raid gear only in pvp. That way you don't have to raid to pvp and you don't have to pvp to raid.

>>746071584
>you need to convince all the shitters that pvp never being remotely balanced is perfectly okay
no you don't. how many people would refuse to play the game if pve gear was useful in pvp? the entire genre worked that way for years, even in tbc there was tons of pve gear that was good in pvp.

>>746071783
honestly never understood this mentality, you should be playing both PvP and PvE and the modes should have some interplay or overlap, it's an MMO for god's sake. Runescape did it this way for years (and in fact even today the best PvP gear is still from PvE) and has had one of the biggest pvp scenes.

>>746072016
>class is mediocre in pve but op in pvp
>people not playing that class cry a liy
>devs kneejerk nerf it making it ass in both forms of content
>takes months for a buff
>buff barely does anything
This is why the two became separated.

>>746071453
they need to go back to a capital to switch roles so it's fine, classic+ is going to have dual spec so lots of classes are going to be able to do 100% of multiple roles anyway

>>746072157
>people will complain on the forums
who cares

>>746072016
That's why I said pvp items have stats that are only useful for pvp that are only equal or slightly better than the equivalent raid gear. If you want to play both modes your raid gear is still more than strong enough especially if you fill in the gaps with pvp gear. But if all you want to do is pvp then you are free to pvp to your hearts content, while also heavily discouraging using pvp gear in raids so you aren't forced to pvp by having stuff that is only useful in pvp.

>>746070132
Nah. Hybrid classes and designs are usually just a nightmare for a lot of devs to balance properly. from my experience, they either do everything and are broken because of it or because they can do everything, their numbers are shit, and nobody wants to play them because of it, and devs tend to go with the former if they have to pick. this isn't always a massive issue until it comes to pvp games/systems.
Druid post vanilla are an example.
>>746068223
I remember reading dev note somewhere saying that another dev would constantly challenge him to a duel, and whenever the dev who challenged him lost, then that dev would nerf paladins or warriors. might be the same guy.

>>746065062
11min of him rambling about emerald dream, like that's not an idea not only Blizzard explored decades ago but the community has talked about forever. I think Blizzard is looking for a more detailed approached (if they're even looking at that for classic+ to begin with) than just "bro shit is disappearing and druids are investigating, worgens and stuff". What about itemization, leveling, instances, raids, increased leveling cap or no, any new abilities or no, and what comes after emerald dream that actually fits the continuation of the vanilla lore or are they just winging it with random shit.

It still has to be a functioning game with some sort of progression that can attract more people than just the classic boomers, which btw we all know will go back to anniversary servers regardless of how well classic+ does since they're retarded and doesn't like anything new

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I'm waiting for SoD TBC.

>>746071778
>see BC
correct the way to balance warriors, according to anon who loves burning crusade, is to have them overaggro every single time they press whirlwind so therefore they don't need to worry about rage because spending it kill them.

>>746067646
who impregnated Onyxia to make the brood anyway?

>>746060495
>first level cap will be 40, with Mara being turned into a raid. Later raised to 60.
Good job getting ready to make content obsolete and falling into the same development trap that killed WoW in the first place.

>>746072409
>Druid post vanilla are an example.
they are perfectly fine
The most "op" part of druid post vanilla was rdruid having access to a spammable CC on a healer in PvP
Literally nothing to do with it being a hybrid, they just let an insane spell on a healer spec instead of having it restricted.
Classes are 10x more balanced in every single iteration after vanilla because they drop the hybrid tax retardation

Aggrend if you're reading this, this is how you save WoW and become the greatest developer of the 2020's.
>paladin mana bar colored pink
>no plate allowed only cloth
>no weapons besides staves and wands
>paladin females receive a 50% hp nerf in addition to a strength nerf
>paladin males receive a 25% nerf instead
>holy light and flash of light have their cast range increased to 200 yards so nobody ever has to see them
>will not see loot rolls unless for cloth, wands or staves
>cannot trade gear unless cloth, wands or staves
>all paladin buffs shortened to 30 seconds for greater blessings, 15 seconds to regular blessings
>a random piece of equipped gear is destroyed if a party members buff falls off
>paladin mount cost increased by 5000%

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Mother fuckers always trying to change fundamental design choices like they know better than the OG WoW team.

The only change that needs to happen is more zones and more raids. Fuck off with your headcanon, theorycrafted bullshit.

>>746060495
You make it so you can only have 3 addons. Artificially force how many addons to emulate what it felt like back in the day.
Let it cook with no questie addon. No ui overhaul addon.

>>746065451
Wrath had dailies and instanced shit. You need to flick off. Classic is not for you and your ilk.

>>746060495
>>pvp gear will have pvp bonuses and be stated for pvp specifically

stopped reading. you're an absolute fucking mongoloid.

>>746073386
>The only change that needs to happen is more zones and more raids. Fuck off with your headcanon, theorycrafted bullshit.
And warrior nerfs, and buffs + dual wield for enhance shaman.

>>746068489
>warrior and rogue mains because those cunts will say or do *ANYTHING* to prevent any competition in melee dps from appearing, especially from a hybrid
Hilarious that in TBC blizz gave those hybrids group buffs to make them more appealing so warriors and rogues wouldn't mind grouping with them.
Except the buffs are so good groups are bringing hybrids instead of warriors (minus the one arms warrior for 4% buff and one fury bc he is guild master) and lol at bringing any rogues, and filling up with warlocks.

>>746060495
Here's my ideas:
nerf warriors into the dirt
nerf mages into the dirt
that is all

>Want Monks still
>Want Tinkerers still
>WoW Classic fags will whine if these are added

bet they're pulling a vanilla pserver classic
>add crusader strike
>add holy taunt
>"we fix'd teh game u guise :)"
many such cases!

>>746074231
need sexo nelfie pally!!

>>746060495
What WoW Devs will actually do when they're forced to make C+
>Take all the world design from Turtle
>Take all the class design from CoA
>Sell securities for bots and gold farmers to China
>Lay off the devs that were going to implement everything
>Sell Heirlooms and level 60 boost tokens

>>746072294
The company that needs to fleece retards like you to keep spending money on their game.

Wish there was more info on the chinese titan reforged server. I've heard they they redid a bunch of specs to make them all more viable, even bringing back 2h enh shaman. Theres so few videos out there

>>746067751
completely fucking retarded that Crusader Strike got removed because the #1 complaint about paladins is how fucking boring they are to play. A simple attack ability would have done loads. Tigole really deserves to be run over.

>>746074625
Warlocks went through literally years of nonstop bitching about the class without seeing a single dev post on the forums. They just continued to nerf them. They literally do not give a shit. Nobody cares except you.

WE'LL NERF FEAR AGAIN

>>746077009
NO PLEASE, and let me name my imps, hound, and blueberry.

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>>746077009
I never understood the idea behind massively long duration CC's with no CD and no diminishing returns, especially when you can take some damage through it.

>>746077081
NO, AND THE INCUBUS IS NOW MANDATORY.

What i'd like to see out of Classic+ is closer to a new game in terms of scale.
>Starting Tutorial area for each race (a bit like how gnomes and Trolls have a unique area now but less of an after thought)
>Mutliple quest lines that go through several zones following different stories (a full Defias questline, Dark Iron, etc etc) at minimum one for each race that takes you to level 60 (not the questline only there should be other content in the various zones you do alongside it) also each race can do other questlines within their faction.
>Class quests to go alongside unlocking certain abilities that give you a decent piece of gear for the level (no point in giving bis unless they plan to keep the quest updated)
>potentially make unlocking new race/class combos something via the quest lines, like a quest line to bring the wildhammer dwarves back into the alliance unlocks Dwarf Shaman, BUT this has to be met with a new starting area for wildhammer dwarves, they shouldn't start in coldridge valley. Gnome warriors should be a reward but wouldn't unlock a new starter area by comparison.
>The larger size of the world as well as more fleshing out of things should allow for lots of options for new dungeons/raids to complement said questlines.

all for fagadins getting some more offensive shit but their utility/defensive abilities will need to be reigned in, which a lot of fagadins don't seem to understand.
you cannot have a class that has op abilities like cleanse, freedom, bubble, the most efficient single target heals in the game, plate, high hp and so on getting to do anywhere close to rogue or warrior tier damage. just ain't gonna happen. they tried it with SoD and it was a fucking shitshow

>>746077398
a lot of psychopaths think being unable to play the game at all is a lot of fun, and those people all become game devs

>>746067751
>>746067810
replaced with seals and judgements it's just that simple

>>746060495
>>raids will be capped at 25 players
This is dumb. It should be 20 or 40. 25 is just a silly number.

>>746081397
>>746067751
>>746067810
They should make Holy Shock a baseline ability and give it a 6 second cooldown.
Crusade Strike should be a deep ret ability, move repentance further up the tree.

>>746060495
When will you classic retards understand that there's not enough people playing classic? There won't be more, because at the end of the day, classic+ is just classic with some changes, and most of the people that played classic got filtered by the leveling experience. CLASSIC IS OVER AND IT'LL NEVER BE POPULAR AGAIN.

>>746081561
and make exorcism instant, work against all targets, and do 4x damage to undead (all the raid mobs will be undead btw). Also remove the mana cost
I too am I great game designer

>>746078475
They need to make their base abilities weaker, and make the talents more influential. Ie you can be a great healer, tank or dps, but not at the same time. Dual spec is enough to let the class to swap roles.

>>746081642
Damn right anon.

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here's how you fix any mmo: mmos eventually fill up with farming chinkbots anyway, so why don't the devs act first and make fun bots that you can interact with and fit the world?

>>746072412
if they do the real classic+ which is unfinished zones and minor talent tweaks will actually make people seethe "it's not enough wtf"

>>746082778
People are getting pretty sick of 1.12 balance. If they don't fix it there will be a lot of anger. You might even say rage.

>>746083148
people don't want raids to be 35 warriors and 5 priests?

leveling challenges were kino on turtle, anything to slow us down in interesting ways

here's how you ACTUALLY save mmos:
>lobotomize everyone who thinks world of transcraft and its dogshit theme park design was good

>>746073887
>dual wield for enhance shaman.
Why? DW for shamans was fucking retarded.
Why would a shaman duel wield you idiot?

>>746083709
>you HAVE to bring 35 warriors to raids
lol

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>>746060495
Don't care, Blizzard will ruin it and most people will get tired of it much like how it happened with SoD. An year after release it will be mainly populated by elitist minmaxxers.

WoW's formula doesn't allow for anything too different anyway, you got leveled zones which you quest through until the end game for the same couple of raids/dungeons until the next patch that will make previous gear nearly obsolete. That's that, it gets old with the treadmill doesn't get any new content for a while, people will either quit or go back to retail in a year no doubt.

Here watch me fix WoW:

1.Retcon everything and start again from vanilla
2.On PvE servers make Night Elves their own faction and Forsaken their own faction separate from Horde/Alliance
3. Allow groups to be formed with anyone from any faction
4. Make languages important
5. Remove armour classes from the game, give items attribute requirements
6. Allow attribute points from level up to be allocated by the player

>>746060495
Anybody still playing wow is mentally ill

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>TBC classes at level 60 + add some utility skills so rogues and mages aren't an expansion ahead of everyone else
>no resilience, pve gear is at least usable in pvp and vice versa
>revamp wpvp objectives (EPL towers) + add new ones to the end game zones
>make world boss spawns more predictable and buy some fucking good servers so you can actually have a big fight
>no fucking layers
>wbuffs in but no longer dispellable and dont work in raids
That should about do it

>>746085865
>>TBC classes
No thanks, I don't want fucking TBC abilities in vanilla, I don't want anything from TBC in vanilla, fucking kill yourself. If I wanted fucking TBC I would just play that.

>>746062565
if you unironically suggest level caps in classic, you have never played wow at release and you are a larping zoomer who needs to fuck off and die

Nerf warriors,
I don't care what else you do but I want to see wowyers next to ret paladins on the damage meter.
I want prot warriors to be denied the main tank spot because the raid already has a feral druid,
I want to see arms brownoids impotently seethe when a crit'd overpower barely scratches a rogue and rage is too scarce to use mortal strike.
TOTAL. BROWN. NERF.

>>746064563
It was an obvious troll post and you fell for the bait

>>746085927
TBC classes are obviously a continuation of vanilla though. And going by SoD class design TBC classes are miles better than whatever abomination aggrend is cooking up

>>746063109
??????
people want classic, but with new content, how is that so hard to grasp?
and what most people want from classic is a functioning open world, you know, THE STUFF WHY EVERYONE PLAYS A FUCKING MMO
wow in Beta and early release had people form zergs in the open world and fight each other in the low lvl contested zones. you know WARcraft. nobody gives a flying fuck about raids and instances, people want a reason to travel and stay in the open world for other reasons than just leveling.
make wow an actual mmo and not just a coop game with an open world tacked on top

>>746065132
Agreed 100%. Fuck push trannies. "I" played the game back in the day, so "I" get to chill and enjoy the new content and not worry about sweats for a bit.

>>746086118
>TBC classes are obviously a continuation of vanilla though
NO

>>746066181
Do you mean to not include the Vanilla quests and dungeons? Cuz I get our idea, as a more fleshed world. But a whole new game is nuts and unreasonable.

When they say hybrid tax they actually mean healer tax
Warriors aren't being taxed for being able to tank and dps
It's only the classes with healing spells that get taxed
Don't let them fool you

>>746063109
>there is no consensus within the playerbase.
It's almost like human race is composed of individuals living in free world or something.

>>746060495
Email him, he responded to my emails during wotlk classic

>>746060495
>all buffs are removed when you enter a raid or pvp instance
that's gay. just make all world buffs a special spell category and make it that they override each others. that way you can have only 1 buff for fun. this keeps wbuff content in while removing 99% of the tedium.

>>746064131
>>746063792
PvP is fun when it's bunch of baby seals flailing around brainlessly. When bloodthirsty sailors join the fray, it only becomes fun for sailors and sailors only. After butchering all the baby seals, the bloodthirsty sailors demand that new generation of baby seals fill the gap in order to make the ecosystem work again. But the new generation of baby seals see the trap for what it is and no amount of taunting or skill shaming will make baby seals take the bait. The only thing left for bloodthirsty sailors is to ferment in their anger and blame everyone and everything except themselves.

>>746068407
I played WoW back in 2004, and intermittently throughout the years. How the fuck do you think I would know about this? I don't make a game I play for fun my life and turn it into a soap opera. You should feel like the faggot here and re-think your life.
Fuck.

>>746086612
pvp gear was a mistake

>>746086954
In what sense? PvP specific stats or Gear as a reward for PvP activity?

>>746086452
Lol outside of watching cuck porn that nigger does absolutely nothing all day. Sheer autism probably forces him to reply to every single email like Yanderedev.

>>746068489
hybrid tax ensures pure classes dont turn into inferior classes without utility. if druid was stronger then why would you bring rogue when its just druid without bres.

>>746073929
That has more to do with the fact that over the years, blizz has groomed their playerbase to be a bunch of frothing min-maxing sociopaths who lose their shit over percentile difference in performance.

>>746087041
>mandatory gear is a reward for engaging with the content
>new player needs the gear
>is forced to get absolutely dogwalked by people that already have the gear
People hated stat normalization in PVP the one time they did it but it was unironically the best course of action. The only reason you would want to have different stats from another person playing your same class and spec is because you want to dunk on people with worse gear than you. PVP should be pick up and play, rewarding the people with the most skill/knowledge not rewarding people with the most time. That's what PVE is for. When I play Street Fighter I don't have to deal with another Ryu having more moves than me or moves that hit harder or him having more health. We both have the same tools.

>>746087170
>That's what PVE is for. When I play Street Fighter I don't have to deal with another Ryu having more moves than me or moves that hit harder or him having more health. We both have the same tools.

I hate pvp only stats too but this is completely retarded, I'm not playing street fighter I'm playing an MMORPG, the point of pvp is literally to dunk on people with shit gear. The only reason people do end game content is to get gear with which to shit on other people.

>>746087125
Hybrid tax has been gone from retail for well over a decade and class balance is objectively better in every way than vanilla. Both dps druids and rogues get taken to groups just fine
> if druid was stronger
Nobody said stronger you stupid nigger, its about being equal

>>746087417
>Hybrid tax has been gone from retail for well over a decade
That's because there are no hybrids anymore you retard, the old classes don't even exist anymore, each "spec" is literally its own class now thanks to bad game design.

>>746087170
I agree with everything with what you said. Unfortunately, majority of wow pvp players aren't honourable duellists but disgusting backstabbing opportunists who only engage when odds are in their favour. What makes me say that? Literal overnight death of lvl 19 twinking. Those of us who were around tail end WotLK/early Cata probably recall the following changes to BGs:
> level 10¬19 BG bracket broken into 10¬14 and 15¬19
> regular BGs now awarding exp for killing and PvP objectives
> disabling exp gain would put you in seperate BG where you would only play against those who also disabled exp gain
All those cocky twinks who said they twink in order to play against other twink went radio silent. Make of that what you will.

>>746087478
Its objectively better design, since things like ret and balance are actually playable
Hybrid means the class can do multiple roles, nothing more. All the same classes are still hybrids, hybrid tax was removed and now the game works properly

>>746087597
>Its objectively better design
No it isn't you fucking idiot, especially considering every single dps class plays the same, and every tank plays the same, and every healer plays the same.

>All the same classes are still hybrids, hybrid tax was removed and now the game works properly
No they're not because you don't actually play the classes anymore. I just said that.

>>746087369
WoW playerbase has ran out of baby seal for you to poach on.

The only way Classic+ could work is to completely redesign the game paradigm to be extremely horizontal like OSRS or Eve, and quite simply Blizzard hasn't got the development chops to accomplish that. The absolute best they're going to be able to do is Seasonal slop in which case the game is just an inferior, geriatric Path of Exile.

>>746087692
>especially considering every single dps class plays the same, and every tank plays the same, and every healer plays the same.
Post logs, this is gray parser cope
>No they're not because you don't actually play the classes anymore.
You do play the class, there is a whole talent tree dedicated to class skills. Tons of class defining abilities like stampeding roar, mark of the wild, ursols, remove corruption, etc. are class wide

>>746087874
Osrs is literally number GO UP the game, its 100% vertical
Its also, more importantly, a primarily single player game to the point that you actively dont want other players around for a lot of content, has an entity hider plugin that erases everyone else and is p2w as fuck because of bonds + everything being sellable

>>746087879
>Post logs, this is gray parser cope
Nice cope yourself
>You do play the class
You don't.
>stampeding roar, mark of the wild, ursols, remove corruption, etc
>class defining abilities
lol
lmao

Call me when an ele shaman can heal or a resto druid can tank

>>746087874
buzzwords buzzwords buzzwords

>>746088006
Ele shaman can heal and rdruid can tank in trivial content, which is the same as in vanilla
And yes, those are class defining abilities. When you are looking at bringing a druid to your group you do it for mark, or stampeding roar, or a curse/poison dispel

>>746087879
>Post logs, this is gray parser cope
retoilet self own. you worship raw damage numbers and have ruined the game forever.

>>746088230
Raw damage is the only thing that has ever mattered shitter
You would know this if you didnt gray parser. Even classic shitters know it, which is why they stack 30 warriors

>>746088274
your only argument is that you're a better player than me, which you arent btw.

>>746088171
>Ele shaman can heal and rdruid can tank in trivial content
no they can't

>And yes, those are class defining abilities
No they're not, they're utility spells. You think they define a class because deep down you know the actual class abilities, the ones now locked by a specialisation, are not accessible to the other specs, which is exactly what I'm telling you.

>>746087976
Mate. All MMORPGs are number GO UP. Is it a bad thing per say? Depends on the playerbase. If the playerbase has been groomed into being frothing min-maxing sociopaths who rush through the content to feed their FOMO addiction then yes, it is a problem. Casual player who wants to stroll through the game is likely to be actively shunned if not outright disparaged for not taking the game seriously enough. One example was launch of WotLK classic where geared TBC players actively harassed those who only leveled through vanilla and TBC for their audacity to join dungeons pug groups like Utgarde Keep or Nexus while not having endgame raid or pvp gear from previous expansion. Stop for a moment and process this bit: There were people who spent 30 minutes extra forming a group in order to make sure their run would take 5 minutes less. I question if these people even enjoy what they are doing.

>>746060495
add in some form of M+. no one wants to sit in voip with 20+ autists for hours on end anymore

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>>746088274
Your lack of self-awareness is astonishing.

>>746087976
I like number-go-up RPGs and OSRS isn't my thing, mostly because of the lack of classes and playable races ruin my enjoyment. RPGs without class systems mean characters lack identity and customization.

Ban fucking GDKP on PVE classic era and fix the goddamn mob pathing in Naxxramas, that's classic +

>>746088620
>Ban fucking GDKP
I will NOT gather your humiliation points only to be cucked because one guy in your clique wanted the piece of gear I tried to get for weeks.
At least with gdkp I'm getting paid for my effort.

>>746088824
Roll the dice, we're all gamblers anyway.

>>746088383
I am, Im also a better person than you because Im not a shitskin
>>746088390
>No they're not, they're utility spells
And those are what defines the class. Those are the quintessential druid spells. A feral druid is separated from an assassination rogue by having druid utility while the rogue has rogue utility

>>746088824
This is why SR/HR system is goat. You join a group and check what items people put dibs on. If you see competition then you leave the group and spare yourself the stress.

Aggrend is a massive ph49907, the like of which I've never seen before. I pray every day that his ass gets fired.

>>746088824
>i dont want to socialize
Don't play an MMO then.

>>746060495
no, you just give CoA devs all the money and they make WoW great again

>>746088942
>And those are what defines the class.
Yeah, now they are, because they are the only shared spells you have left. You fucking idiot. ALL that you have now that defines what a druid is is mark of the wild. lol. you fucking moron.

>>746088957
This or change your SR. HRs should only apply to legendaries and be given out to loyal guildies.

>>746088824
>At least with gdkp I'm getting paid for my effort.
So are the parasitic GDKP organisers reselling the gold from their cuts to their participants for cold hard cash. I'd be fine with GDKP if it were limited to the cancerous PVP realms.

>>746088863
>roll for main spec
>prio because good goy
>hummmm anon actually my buttbuddy need the weapon more sowwy :3

>>746088957
Great as long as you're not aiming for big ticket items, otherwise yeah it's the way to go.

>>746088973
>if you don't join this humiliation ritual you're just not trying to socialize

>>746088957
That's unrealistic, people will always gravitate toward the same items.
>>746088973
Commerce/auctioning is a form of socialisation, and it's arguably more fair than SRHR, DKP or loot council.

>>746089221
You shouldn't be fine with GDKP at all. Stop being a NIMBY.

>>746085117
>>you HAVE to bring 35 warriors to raids
Yes you do. Every time they re-release the same content the pool of people interested in playing it shrinks. This will be the 7th iteration (original, classic, classic anniversary, hardcore, SoM, SoD) of the same content. The only people interested in playing still are the absolute sweatiest players. People who RMT, want to 100 parse every boss, and speed run the content. They have optimized the fun out 6 iterations ago. Unless you give something that's completely new, you're going to be playing a warrior, buying gold from botters to buy consumes from botters, and collecting those world buffs in order to raid log.

>>746063109
>nobody knows what anybody wants from classic+
wrong
https://wowclassic.plus/survey/results

>>746089260
>>roll for main spec
>>prio because good goy
>>hummmm anon actually my buttbuddy need the weapon more sowwy :3
That's how SR guilds collapse, not an argument.

>Great as long as you're not aiming for big ticket items, otherwise yeah it's the way to go.
That's why you have ranks within guilds you have to climb up to get prio on them. Stands to reason a newcomer shouldn't be able to SR Gressil.

AWR

>>746060495
>no addons allowed

oh no... its retarded :(

>>746086251
Nah, the primary questing content will stay. They don't have enough resources or time to rewrite the entire world, plus they would make it gay. It's the dungeons, raids, end game quests, world events, and classes that will be completely different.

>>746087170
>>is forced to get absolutely dogwalked by people that already have the gear
This is why OP suggested that the pvp gear be easy to obtain, and not based on winning the match.

>>746060495
>>first level cap will be 40, with Mara being turned into a raid. Later raised to 60.
reinforces the very things that killed retail, even all the way through 'classic' wrath. XX more levels of experience fomos progression with an ever growing out-of-reach 'end'.

Level cap 60, from the start, and forever.
>>raid gear will have specific bonuses for that raid, to slow down power creep of items
borrowed power
nothing is less satisfying than working to accumulate something and have it offer functionally little/nothing beyond the content it was built for.
Just build laterally, so the expanding options for min/maxing between raids yield something greater than the whole for varieties of builds.
>all women and indians are removed from the development team
agreed

>>746089051
and what exactly defines a druid in classic?
Ill give you a hint, its faerie fire

>>746089545
Every item you get is borrowed power you retard.

>>746089595
probably the ability to shapeshift

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>>746089635
>Every item you get is borrowed power you retard.

>>746089764
>pick up weapon
>equip weapon
>stronk
>remove weapon
>weak
FUCKING BORROWED POWERS

>>746089879
>If I change the definition of this word I'm technically correct

>>746089664
the thing rdruid doesnt do?
Are you inviting a druid to your group for them to shapeshift? No, youre inviting them to your group for them to apply faerie fire and mark

>>746089545
Problems with "lateral gearing"
>every new raid increases the number of weekly chores required to do because the items are all relevant to someone
>there will still be objective bis items and once someone has all old raid items they will still have no incentive to help you do that old raid
>lateral gearing suffers from the same issue as what you refer to as borrowed power, your character never grows stronger
>item diversity becomes more difficult every raid released as they all need to be a similar tier of power, meaning many things will just be outright duplicate items with different skins
You have 3 options for gearing and they all have problems
>vertical gearing, each raid tier out classes the last
>No progression at all, lateral gearing
>Progression is tier locked and required to kill the final boss of that tier
The 3rd is probably the best and you can award cosmetics for completing a tier so people still get something long term from it.

>>746089321
What is Blizzard waiting to apply the same rules between Anniversary and Era, then? Either permit GDKP in anni or ban it in era.

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>>746061553
>titty/ass/belly sliders
>would get bad press

>>746089260
>>746089271
>become another dime a dozen warr/rogue
>SR Ironfoe, HoJ, Felstriker
>other dime a dozen warr/rogues do the same
>suprised pikachu face
You get what you fucking deserve.
Still, if I were in game dev shoes I would just drop all pomp and pretence about maintaining RNG loot magic and simply put in a deterministic solution akin to XIV's Extreme mounts. After collecting 100¬500 boss specific tokens you could just buy said specific item and be done with the place. The selfish warr/rogue who is only there for one item could have his parsing greed used as means to oil up the pug machine and serve as a unwilling senpai who carries late-starters and keeps the pugging scene healthy long after the initial wave has reached the end-game.

Either game devs kill the RNG loot magic with determinism or players themselves will do it with GDKP and kill the economy in the process.

>>746060495
>>has actual human mods to deal with botters, farmers, and rmt
They never do that the jews would lose out on so much money

>>746090201
This is why huge loot tables of items are stupid. Boss should drop Thing.
Thing should be used in crafting everything from that dungeon. You now have a large loot table that is also deterministic.

>meanwhile classic "plus" will just be classic with M+ and seasons

>>746090201
>>746090287
NO! You WILL grind 10 months for these missing bindings and you WILL like it. So what if a guild of shitters managed to craft 5 TFs already, stop being entitled!

>>746090201
>SR Ironfoe, HoJ, Felstriker
In what fucking world. First one is a 5-man and the second is from the only 10-man instance in the game.

>>746090201
They just need to prune the garbage from the loot tables. The filler items create unnecessary scarcity of the stuff people actually want.

>>746090084
I think we both know the ugly answer to this question. GDKP, botters and gold sellers are what keeps WoW servers afloat. That's why I don't give a shit about what blizz will show next blizzcon. I know that as soon as honeymoon passes, the new servers will be littered with rogue/mages coming in/out of instance entrances.

>>746090054
>Are you inviting a druid to your group for
Are you fucking dumb or what? Who you invite to your group has nothing to do with the argument

>>746063263
This is the dumbest take
>Yes, I DO want to go back to the game being woefully unbalanced
>Yes, I DO want to go back before S Priests had their fear nerfed
Ect, all for the purpose of playing through it again, people who never touched vanilla want it because they're retarded. A real solution is finding out what you want to do for horizontal content and balance around that. Genuinely wanting to start the game in a shitty state is just so fucking stupid. Poopsockers will hyper fixate on the bad balancing and cry when their abuse gun changes. Fuck all of that. Not that I'd touch a Classic+, riddled with idiots who genuinely hate QoL changes of any kind.

>>746090482
You sound like an idiot who worships "balance" because you think you're supposed to

>>746090362
Blizz wants you subscribed for 10 months anyway. What I suggest is simply a honest compromise that drops all pretence.

>>746087692
>every healer plays the same.
For retail this is objectively not the case.
t. HPal, Resto Dru, HPriest, RestSham player.

>>746090456
>GDKP, botters and gold sellers are what keeps WoW servers afloat.
Not sure we agree on what "afloat" would mean here. Afloat in the sense that it would become impossible to raid or find groups, or not profitable enough for Blizzard/Microsoft?

>>746090632
>plays retail
>players healers
lmao I don't want to imagine what kind of freak you are IRL

>>746090554
Anyone clamoring for mathematically worse content because lolitsold and then get excited to play through patches where they'd balance shit is beyond saving levels of retard, sorry.

>>746090723
At least I'm not a classic nigger pretending I'm not an unsaveable autist.

>>746090287
You essentially proposed the same solution, you just worded it differently.
>collect 100¬500 things to click on a icon in NPC's shop window UI to get item.
>collect 100¬500 things to click on a icon in your profession UI to get item.

>>746090708
Yes.

>>746090296
If it's not there in the game the playerbase will start doing speed runs and do it to themselves. Classicfags are hopeless look what they did to S1 SOD

>>746090827
So the latter? Afloat as in profitable enough for Microsoft?

>>746090078
Progression locked is pointless, you just add the chore of boosting someone new through

>>746090736
>mathematically worse
Boy, could you shut up? I'm here to enjoy video games not fill out spreadsheets.

>>746090898
Wrong game then, Anon, you're 20 years too late.

>>746090884
It's very hard not to think that is indeed the case.

>>746090978
You sound like one of those desperate retail players who thought they'd never release classic

>>746090898
>I'm here to enjoy video games
Here's your ven-thunderstrike, now go pwn some noobs in alterac champ!

>>746060495
>no addons
Unless they fix the default UI to not be garbage before that, that's DOA
>has actual human mods to deal with botters, farmers, and rmt
lol, lmao even
>raid gear will have specific bonuses for that raid, to slow down power creep of items
>kill raid bosses so you can kill those same raid bosses (but only them) more efficiently
Also
>level caps before 60
For what purpose?
Do you realize how retarded that sounds?

>>746090986
Then they would have had to bite the bullet to ban it in Anni, and Era isn't getting the chemo it deserves any time soon.

>>746091053
>Unless they fix the default UI to not be garbage
It's not, you don't need anything but the base UI.

>>746091030
Wrong again I was one of the people saying they'd release it the second it seemed like it would stop the playerbase from bleeding so around WoD. Took'm a long time tho.

>>746091096
I think every wow unc like you and me should give themselves the pserver chemo therapy to cure ourselves from retail cancer.

>>746091175
I didn't ask for your life story

>>746090986
>It's very hard not to think that is indeed the case.
They make bank when they release new stuff on the shop and botters/ect can get by on free accounts. It's the whales.

>>746091263
Both statements can be true at the same time.

>>746091230
I would if I could find a way to play on pservers with a controller. Only the Era client has the controller handlers for it.

>>746091242
Stop replying to me.

>>746061147
This but for men
I want to play as a bald fat ugly bastard

>>746090898
brown hands typed this post

>>746091318
I'd imagine a novel combination of:
>ShaguController
>ConsoleExperience Classic
>LazyScript
would do you good.

>>746091263
No trial accounts on classic era, would unlock free instant trade between characters from the same account instead of the 1 hour post time, as well as level 20 horde toons so alliance players can get a certain horde-only world buff.

>>746064563
>>746086085
Because it was called vanilla before then, genius.

>>746090894
Doesn't lateral gearing cause the same issue? If you have to run all raid tiers to gear them it adds to the chore of gearing up anyone new. Does this mean you prefer the horizontal scaling where the new gear is always better and invalidates the previous tier? That's the only way gearing up a new player doesn't require going backwards.

Also tier based bonuses don't require you to go backwards, when the reward for completing a complete raid are cosmetic bonuses.

>>746088393
>mate
>per say
don't post again, you utter caveman
your brain is complete mush and you will never have anything of value to contribute
bongs truly are the most retarded posters

>>746091053
No addons is the only way the game survives. The new UI editor built into the game is enough.

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>>746060495
>>no addons allowed
Good idea but blizz will cuck in. Although without damage meters it's kinda gay unless blizz adds their own
>Logs
Same shit. People will figure out ways around it
>Exploits
Most of them are fun. Only Bugfixes that would make sense is this pathing abuse for mages and huntards.
>Worldbuffs
Would be good gimmick for open world but I agree, should be removed in raids and dungeons
>Bgs
Irrelevant in classic. Only fix I'd do is a way to prevent people from getting easy gear that is better than tier 2 for free.
Only add epic set with aq40 and make Honor a weekly currency
Rest what you suggest is literally sod

>>746091726
I'd like to see Blizzard try to make their own ConsolePort controller addon. Pretty sure they'd end up being caught stealing a shit ton of addons.

>>746060495
Add more 100 dollar mounts to classic, got it thanks.

>>746091793
Addons have always been free R&D.

>>746090894
>boosting
Now introducing the new Gear Boost for 10.99

Why are FFags so autistic about needing controller support? Can they not touch two interface devices at once?

>>746091769
>Rest what you suggest is literally sod
SoD early level caps were peak. The most fun WoW has been in 20 years. Once SoD hit level 60 it was just seasonal retail. I also don't want to play the same game for the 7th time in a row. The classes should be completely different. Going back to the release patch of 1.1.0 is a good start.
>Most of them are fun. Only Bugfixes that would make sense is this pathing abuse for mages and huntards.
Just ban botting, RMT, boosting, and gdkp. A team of 1-5 people could easily keep an entire server clean. Once you do that then pathing abuses no longer matter. There are better ways to make gold than farming ZF. If they change all the raids and dungeons then these pathing farms won't even exist.
>Same shit. People will figure out ways around it
They currently get the data from log files that the client generates. If the client stops generating them and addons are banned, then it eliminates the parsefags.

>>746092015
I didn't know FF14 had controller support. I just find it comfy/not damaging to my wrists.

>>746092141
>If they change all the raids and dungeons then these pathing farms won't even exist.
no thanks

>>746092267
Why do you want to play the same 22 year old game for the 7th time?

>>746092141
NTA but
>The classes should be completely different.
>Going back to the release patch of 1.1.0 is a good start.
Going back to how classes were quarter unplayable is a good start? Or do you mean Warlock Tanks/Time Mages?
Blizzard will not employ more people for CS/Mod positions after they've been running their own bots on it, Anon, come'on.

>>746091765
No foreskin?

>>746060495
Not sure if I agree with the earlier level cap and mara being a raid, I think keeping the pacing of classic is good. Then just adding more content at 60, horizontal content, never increase level cap.

I think focus should be on fixing issues like some specs being awful, unfinished and unbalanced. Gear not being available for some specs/classes. And a difficulty increase, people are much better at video games today than 25 years ago, challenge the player a bit more.

>>746060495
>no addons allowed
Fuck off faggot.

>>746092182
Lmao the MMO on the ps5? Controllerfriends need to learn posture, controllers ain't helpin that