>dukeniggers actually believe this overhyped trash is good
>>746062962but that's not dusk
the soundtrack is pretty good
>>746062962the nortubel of the build engine
locked door and card hunting simulator
This was in the early boomershooter era when there weren't really standards yet.
>>746062962it was pretty fun
>>746062962What's wrong with it? Aside of course from>femprotag
>/v/ hates a good gameyup checks out
>>746064560>I'd rather be running down a hallway with "RETURN TO THE PLAY AREA" flashing when I get off track
It's a fun game but the rolling bomb things are not as fun as Duke's pipe bombs.
The only good nushooter was selaco tbqh
>>746062962it's definitely better than whatever the fuck pic-related is. wtf are 3d realms even doing nowadays?
>>746064816>>femprotagDevs are cucked faggots for making her another generic ugly girlboss with zero sexualization though
I thought it was fineI like the enemy chatter
>>746065626who are you quoting?
>>746065867Oh totally. Backing off the "Ogay" bottle and not making her a horny boy's dream compromised their game.
>>746065848I had no idea this got a sequel. Checked steam and everyone hates it.
>>746065951Do you understand what an "implication" is?
>>746065867what in the holy fuck does girlboss mean anymore
>>746062962It is good. But the fact that it doesn't have multiplayer is inexcusable. Hell, they even released DLC for the game and STILL didn't add multiplayer. That's just peak retardation.
>>746065848Ugh, don't remind me...
>>746066153The actual answer is a charmless tough female character who emasculates men and gets away with doing heinous shit due to bad writing. Bombshell isn't that though, that anon you're replying to is just a retard
>>746066231alright yeah thats what I assumed it was. ty anon
>>746066231>The actual answer is a charmless tough femaleCorrect, disregard the rest of your retarded post
>>746066289so all female protagonists IE Joanna Dark from Perfect Dark?
>>746062962it's pretty good
>>746062962Eh I liked it, had to disable her one liners
>>746066416>had to disable her one linersfucking imagine
I liked it. Was going through build engine shooters and I liked all of them. Must have been a nightmare to make
>>746066363>implying Joanna is a charmless uggo like Shelly lmao
>>746065487what the fuck shelly
>>746065487Atrocious art
It's still one of the best shooters to come out of that era. It went on for a bit too long tho
I finished it and I had fun. It was also the first time I played a shooter after a decade.
>>746062962It is good. My only significant criticisms are that the final third of the base campaign is full of industrial tunnels that all blend together, and that Shelly is one of those boring "I sure love killing bad guys!" protags with weak lines and is nowhere near as charming as Duke, Wang, or Caleb (missed opportunity to make her a straight-faced Robocop/Dirty Harry parody to fit more inline with the other Build protags). Thankfully you can just turn her into a silent protag in the options menu.The expansion is also good and is probably what the base campaign should have been, length-wise.>>746066545>Must have been a nightmare to makeApparently by the time the expansion was finished, the main devs said they never wanted to make another game in Build/eduke again. On paper it was cool for the sake of authenticity, but it made development incredibly tedious, and several processes that could have been automated with a modern engine had to be done completely by hand with what they were already working with.
It's not the absolute best boomer shooter, that would be Cultic, but it's pretty fun
>>746062962>dukeniggers actually believe this overhyped trash is goodYes.
It is good, the dlc is good too
>>746067205>the main devs said they never wanted to make another game in Build/eduke againcommon buildnigger L
>>746062962It's good though, apart from the shitty arsenal. I really like how enemies are actually dangerous here while not being obnoxiously hardcore like cultists in Blood. I wish the Citadel dev took notes from it to make the enemies at least a bit competent.
>>746062962It gets better towards the end. Really repetitive with the endless sewer levels though.
>>746065848It seems to be a law of nature that any sequel to a Build engine game is a letdown.
The arrange campaign is what the game should've been from day 1.
>>746067205>never wanted to make another game in Build/eduke againSame thing happened to Wrath. Who knew that using nearly 30 year old engines to make massive games compared to what said engines were built for is tedious as fuck but hey, you can pat yourself on the back and say you are hardcore by using a (heavily modified) old school engine.
>>746065867Bombshell was never an interesting character. She was a discount Lara Croft but without any of the class.
>>746066797Are you implying PDZ has charm?
>>746062962never 4get the homo soap rip
>>746067205>had to be done completely by hand with what they were already working with.Such is the way with craft that has SOVL to it.
>>746068306They never took that out of the game btw.
>>746068242>She was a discount Lara Croft but without any of the class.They have absolutely nothing in common other than they are both women. What in the fuck are you talking about?
>>746068421based
>>746068421Doesn't matter, the whole debacle was funny, never let them live it down
>>746068472I think you underestimate how impressionable George Broussard and rest of 3D Realms were when it came to movies and video games. They clearly had the success of Lara Croft and her big booba in the back of their minds and said "What if we had an action babe who was like Lara Croft....but looked like Pamela Anderson from Barb Wire?"And even then, Duke and Lara as characters were shipped constantly by the industry at large to even the point where both Time to Kill and Zero Hour were inspired after TR on behest of 3D Realms and GT Interactive.
>>746062962No. Truth is Dusk, Rise of The Triad remake, Amid Evil, and Prodeus were already good, but midwits still cried out>geams from 1997 didn't actually look like that!So this game was made for them. Plenty of mediocre shooters came out in the 90s too. Nothing wrong with releasing a nice timekiller if it means keeping a kino genre thriving.
>>746062962Needed less factory and machinery levels and more cyberpunk city levels. You get a few bangers early on and then you go down the slog hole for too fucking long. As much as I like Ion Fury the fun really does spike any time you're in a more 'urban' environment, either the actual city or the skyscraper or whatever
>>746068421The fact that this "controversy" effectively led to Neogaf completely losing any semblance of their already withered credibility will always be funny.
>>746069795>You get a few bangers early on and then you go down the slog hole for too fucking longDuke Nukem 3D in a nutshell
>>746069795>it's only fun when you're in a more 'urban' environmentthat's every build engine game
>>746064441You misspelled Ultrakill
>>746062962It's a great game and you are gay
>>746062962I've literally had this pirated and installed on a secondary drive since it released and never touched it but never removed it because it's the version before they patched it to "remove problematic things" or whatever the fuck that controversy was.
>>746065810>literally ion fury but with an attractive femprotagBased
>>746072381the girl in the OP is clearly meant to be attractive, isn't she???
>>746067073The pacing kinda dragged, yeah. A game that goes on that long needs a bigger enemy roster so you can slowly introduce more enemy types. This had HUGE swaths of the same grunts.
>>746067002KOREA BROS DON'T LOOK!!!!
>>746072979Based.Hedon > Ion FuryZan > Shelly or whatever the fuck her name is
literally unplayable
FAN OUT
>>746065848>>746066043I don't think I've seen this on sale on console.How the hell is Bombshell still $35?
>>746065848To think the developer only made that game only for it to be followed up with one that had more negative reception.
>>746069367>to even the point where both Time to Kill and Zero Hour were inspired after TRTtK absolutely. It's basically a Tomb Raider mod starring Duke. But Zero Hour has nothing in common with Lara's games except 3D enemies and environments. Jumping is way more video-gamey and you can control yourself way better, and there's no "put away your gun so you can mantle ledges" button either.
>>746072381Until she has her cleavage out I'm not going to award them "based" points.
>>746065848what went wrong with it? I know it was in dev hell for a while and thats it
On the subject of Build engine gaymes, every custom Duke map that I've played in the past two decades does this:>Hit a switch and then backtrack throughout the level to see what the hell it even didLots of otherwise good maps get brought to a screeching halt because of this shit.
>>746073869they dropped duke and tried to do a half life kinda thing, it sucks
>>746073970Sounds like Half Life, then.
>>746067935Duke Zero Hour and Duke Manhattan Project are legit. Shadow Warrior 2013 is OK if you don't mind arenaslop.
>>746073906If it's a good map, it should at least place a security camera screen near the button so you don't have to guess.
>>746072979I thought it was "pretty good" for the most part but it just kept getting better and better, and eventually turned into a hexen sucessor. A really good one at that.Dev clearly learned a lot as he was building the game.The biggest praise I can give it is it somehow made gzdoom feel serviceable.
>>746073540what about 1518x852 windowed at 1600x1200?
>>746062962It's not trash but it's not that good either. Overrated is the better term for it.
>>746074717How can it be overrated if nobody ever talks about it?
>>746062962I've never played a Duke Nukem game and I enjoy it
>>746075490You might as well play Duke3d
>>746066043>Checked steam and everyone hates it.another dev tean
>>746072979>>746073416>>746074521
>retards comparing Ion Fury to Ultrakill and SelacoUltrakill is not a boomer shooter at all (having low poly graphics doesn't make your game a boomer shooter) and Selaco is a tactical shooter.
>>746077716Proceed...
I played about 50% of it and then stopped because, while objectively good, I have more fun playing Doom fanmade maps.
>>746078293>while objectively good>I have more fun playing Doom fanmade mapsthen it's not objectively good.
>>746078449There's "good" and there's "literally best thing ever". Had Doom fanmade content not existed I would've been playing a wide variety of commercial FPSes instead.
>>746078293in my opinion quake is surpassing doom in terms of fanmade map quality. brutalist jam, immortal timelock, arcane dimensions, doom doesn't really have massive campaigns like that
>>746079104I've never tried any Quake community maps. Are they casual vanilla-like or autism-oriented?
>>746062962its not a fantastic game or anything, totally not a 9, but it is still good actually. And the visuals for what it is are really good too. Duke3d itself isnt that great compared to doom to be totally honest. Its still floatinng around that level of quality of duke.
It's the best build engine game
Name one Duke usermap better than the entirety of Ion Fury.
>>746062962It was fucking great though? especially the expansion, the level of detail for build engine is insane>>746065848They got embraced, they had several EA games they were forced to wrap up and release quickly I think not that is much of an excuseimo they had good intentions of making cool games but didn't have the experience or cash to get anything over the finish line in a good shape
>>746062962It's pretty mid, yeah. The game is mostly notable for running on an actual 30 year old engine.
>>746064816It seems too long because after a certain point you stop getting new weapons or seeing new enemies and start hearing Shelly's kill lines over and over. I also thought that while the game was highly detailed it also felt like it lacked visual clarity because there was just too much going on. There was just a ton of details covering everything and it felt distracting. I still really liked the weapons, Shelly as a character, the setting. My biggest complaint is just the poor visuals and that seems like a problem that no longer affects only bigger budget games but now a lot of indie games feel the same way where there's just too much detail everywhere and too many particle effects going off and things like that.
>>746080514>It seems too long because after a certain point you stop getting new weapons or seeing new enemies and start hearing Shelly's kill lines over and over.That's completely valid, and I agree. It needed more variety of weapons or enemies for how long it was, even if the levels are pretty and it's great to have a lot of game to play.I don't really mind the overly-busy textures and level design, and though you're right it can result in kind of visual overload, I personally think this is a lesser deal. I never really died because I couldn't process what I was seeing, or anything.
>>746079104Serpent:Resurrection? Sunder? Back To Saturn X? There's a wide variety of "very long experiences" for people valuing different things (RPG autism, slaughter gameplay, more chill and conventional Doom adventure respectively). Probably more I'm forgetting. Plenty other megaWADs that aren't quite as ridiculously long but still longer than vast majority of commercial FPSes.
>>746079104Quake is unfun to play though, bad weapons (esp the shotguns), bullet sponge enemies.
>>746080663>I never really died because I couldn't process what I was seeing, or anything.It didn't affect me much like that either, it just ends up feeling a bit fatiguing to look at I guess. Actual retro games leaving some areas less detailed felt like it balanced things out but it seems like modern game devs are afraid of that.
>>746073869>what went wrong with it?It was made by Slipgate Ironworks, AKA the company with incredible oldschool graphic designers and the ABSOLUTE WORST GAMEPLAY DESIGNERS IN GAMINGevery single one of their games looks great if you like retro 3D graphics, but every single one is fucking terrible to actually play. They did Graven and Wrath: Aeon of Ruin, as well as the Rise of the Triad 2013 game (which is probably their ugliest game because it's not trying to be retro, it just looks cheap)I was really excited for Phantom Fury until I saw that they were developing it, I refuse to get tricked by them again, and the reviews are exactly what I thought they would be
>>746073540>>746074579I've been messing with this for a couple of hours and the game just refuses to run with custom resolutions, any attempt at doing integer scaling so the sprites don't look like shit at 4:3 failed
>>746080956double barrel is finenailgun is finesuper nailgun is finerocket launcher is funGrenade launcher is funI'm gonna stop there because I realised the only gun I don't like is the default shotgun, but it's the pistol replacement anyway so who gives a shit?bullet sponge enemies are a product of the time due to them being unable to include loads of enemies for fear of the game running like shit on 1996 PCs, but mod packs usually adjust this now to make the enemies weaker but more numerous because modern PCs can play Quake without issues now
I am convince that the whole boomer shooter, uhh, boom, is just zoomers who never played an old school schooter, and not actually people who grew up with the originals.There's a reason why Half-Life was such a hit, by then everyone was bored with circle strafing rocket launching enemies in arenas, and there isn't much more you can do with the formula.
>>746081639How do you fuck up 4:3 scaling using the build engine what the fuck
>>746073997>SW 2013Visually it's great looking but man the gunplay ain't good.
>>746065810>SelatroonNot today.
>>746081838Yeeeeeah, it's not what I wanted from a SW sequel. But it could have been worse.
the dlc is awesome play it you retarded fags>somehow doctor evil faggot returnedhow did he survive the murderdome
>start game>mute voice linestime to game
>>746062962I was big into this game but nowadays it's a blur. I remember being very frustrated at how boring the enemies are, and the overwhelming amount of items and weapons that are useless. Visibility was also bad, sprites are so thin and blend in with the environments. Somehow retro devs still can't beat Doom 2's bestiary nearly 30 years later.
>>746081765>There's a reason why Half-Life was such a hit, by then everyone was bored with circle strafing rocket launching enemies in arenasThere's a reason why there was a revival: because it had been years since we got a game like that, and people were getting tired of the "no gameplay for 40 minutes whilst we set the scene" gimmick that everyone copied badly from Half-LifeThe resurgence of boomer shooter was in response to 1) games becoming far too narratively focused and slow, and 2) the demographic of people who played them as kids now being 30+ and wanting something nostalgic
>>746082156They didn't learn 1 very important lesson from Duke 3D: Some basic enemies should have advanced mobility to make things interesting. And I don't just mean a couple enemy types who fly by default.
>>746062962It's very impressive for a Build engine game, but kinda soulless. No striking aesthetic, very safe and sanitized. The stages are all warehouses or sewers or whatever. The enemies snipe you from 100m away, so you just spam the revolver auto-aim. Beat the base game, didn't care for the DLC.
>>746081765TRVKE NVKEOnly retards who have never played the classics in the 90s hold Ion Fury and its ilk in the same regard as the the classicsOr they could just be retarded
>>746082257>>746082584>made by THE biggest duke modders on the planet>doesn't understand what made duke funWhat causes this?
>>746082592>TRVKE NVKETRVKE = TRUTH NUKETRUTH NUKE NUKE
>>746082592I don't think anyone is "holding Ion Fury in the same regard as the classics", they just think it's a kinda neat homage to something from their childhoodsit's really not as deep or as intense as you are making this out to be, it's just kinda neat, why are you so mad about it?
>>746082787Because they deserved two nukes
>>746081765>circle strafing rocket launching enemies in arenasFunnily enough you can still do that in HL1 in principle because IIRC the game doesn't tank your accuracy when moving while shooting. You don't benefit from this in practice because almost all enemies are hitscan, melee or homing.Quake 1 and 2 also had a relative scarcity (1 moreso than 2) of conventional projectile attackers for whom moving to the side is all it takes to avoid damage.Unreal was kinda strafe heavy since most enemies were projectile attackers, but the strafing was a lot more involved than in Doom because enemies were a lot more evasive while also leading their shots.Really "circlestrafe while continuously bombarding enemies to win" is an overblown meme that barely applies to any retro FPS other than Doom engine games.
>>746080956...i dont think you ever played Quake my dude.
>>746080269I truly believe some of you faggots are never happy and actively try to be a miserable prick for no real good reason.
>>746082592Or maybe we just appreciate a game that isnt total corporate dogshit, ya know maybe.
>>746068328
>>746083060>eating dogshit just because it's indieIonxisters...
>>746072979episode 3 when?
>>746062962>Play a ton of retro shooters and throwbacks>Told over and over Ion Fury is good>Try it>Hitscan everywhere, enemies bend into the background, annoying girlboss main character who has shit lines and never shuts up and the weapons are okay I guess>Try again recently, maybe I wasn't in the mood for it>Nope, it's still aggressively mediocre and despite the creators being industry vets you sure as shit wouldn't know playing it.I came straight off from playing Duke this time which was actually good, so back to back Ion Fury's shittiness is painfully obvious to see.
>>746082881they were japanese, voidpoint?
>>746082998You'll get it when you're 40.
>>746062962I mean it's alright idk
>>746083189nice reference
>>746083587There's no way 40 grandpas are still on here
>>746080956>>746081730>>746082942The triple barrel shotgun from AD objectively improved the game's combat
Got this right after beating Boltgun and finding that game mid.Enjoyed Ion Fury enough to beat it and the dlc twice, arrange mode was fun, shame the dlc doesnt have it.
>>746082584This. It's too long, all the levels and enemies look the same and nothing really stands out. It's a bland soulless attempt at making a modern day Duke and while the detail level is fantastic you're left with an unmemorable grey haze.The only people to like Ion Fury are the ones who either haven't played the original games it's referencing or kids who recently got into "boomer shooters" (I fucking hate that retarded term) and think this is how they all should be. The same faggots who play the shittier retro FPS mods like Quake Brutalist Jam and run around the internet screaming its praises despite it playing nothing like Quake.
>>746062962>dukeniggersKek
>>746072979I haven't kept up, is she voiced by a transperson or sth?
>>746083487Skill issue
>>746064505kil yourself
>>746080956>Bullet sponge enemiesYou mainly used the shotguns or you didn't play very much of Quake. the workhorse guns are the explosives and enemies die in two or three hits of those, faster than Doom monsters.I honestly think Quake is better than Doom because the 3D environment allows for interesting maps. Doom is always on a 2D plane where rooms can't be built on top of each other, so all it has is the samey combat.
>>746080956How are people still falling for this bait? Every time quake is mentioned you say 'shotgun bad' and bunch of retards keep falling for iteverysingletime
>>746073708>Bombshell never got the promised updateDead fucking franchise.
>>746084025Funnily enough, I liked Boltgun but hated Ion FuryBoltgun had bad levels, sure, but the guns were fucking amazing.Ion Fury was just the same dudes in robes who died to a sneeze, so it didn't matter which gun you used and the revolver was usually the best option at all times. The shotgun sucked and that's a cardinal sin in a retro or throwback FPS.
>>746084151I know how to play Quake, but sometimes you're stuck fighting a death knight with a double barrel shotgun (or a group of them in a custom map) and it just fucking blows. Just running in and out of their range and dealing crappy damage, over and over.
>>746073869it's what happens when you initially try to parody the old duke nukem forever, then make it half-life, then also try to add little other shit in there, and then none of it is actually designed well. great visuals, but absolutely mediocre at best gameplay and combat feedback, which just gets worse and worse the higher you go in difficulty.
>>746072979>Game where you play as a trannyThere better be a "suicide" hotkey with a detailed first-person animation if you fags want the real experience
>>746084289True, it happens, but so does shotgunning Barons occasionally in Doom. My biggest complaint with Quake are Spawns. They're shit enemies id Software admit to being a mistake but you still get people defending them or even going full contrarian and claiming they're fun.
>>746084091>>746084353wait is this realit's off my wishlist if it is
>>746084253I agree that boltguns weapons were pretty good, i also liked the toughness system it has. The taunt is fun.Ion furys enemy variety isnt good either.But everything else was better in IF. The levels are more fun to explore, as are the secrets. The music is pretty good.The weapons, tools and powerups are very fun, even if Boltgun has it beat there.IF running on the build engine gives it charm imo. BG runs on unreal engine.
>>746062962It was pretty good. As has been said, went on for a bit too long and some of the visuals/levels were a bit cluttered.I do like that it felt more like an actual boomer shooter. Too many of them just add a bunch of movement mechanism to make it play like something completely different, or endlessly copy paste Serious Sam.
>>746083189soul>>746068328soulless
OLD GOOD NEW BAD
>>746067935Except for Redneck rampage which is better than the original>>746073997>Duke Zero Hour and Duke Manhattan ProjectThose are spin offs
>>746084151I like Doom more than Quake, but I would have really liked to see a "Doom 3" that used Doom's aesthetic/armoury/bestiary but added Quake's more advanced 3D environments and added the grenade launcher as a new weapon.
>>746082998>legitimate criticism of an unfun game is being a miserable prick
>>746088381>legitimate
>>746062962It was great, thet nailed the quips and comments the character makes.
>>746088451Correct, cope harder
dlc had too many driving sections
>>746088451Don't be a fanboy.
>>746065848All they had to do was make og DNF but good. Couldn't clear even low of a bar.
>>746062962As a fan of the genre i liked it, the weapon were really satisfying to use, it lacked enemy and level variety if i have to find a negative
>>746087442Like prodeus?
Selaco is the only one of these games that's any good
>>746082998Is it really worth getting this upset over someone else not liking your favorite game?
>>746090420They fucked up graven as well.
>>746090909>dude, don't get upset over a directed personal attack
>>746079104>brutalist jamRAMP :^)>immortal timelockRealm of Cheogsh>arcane dimensionsEviternityAll of these are, like, at least 7 years old by now though.
>>746091148>Not liking a mediocre throwback shooter is a personal attack
>>746091343>EviternityI've played both this and AD, and Eviternity isn't a patch on AD.Doom can have some amazing maps but Quake if done well can be much better. I doesn't happen often, but when it does it's noticeable.
>>746079104>doom doesn't really have massive campaigns like thatWhat the fuck are you on about, man? There's stuff like Sunder, Sunlust, Ancient Aliens, Going Down, Pirate Doom, Back to Saturn X, and that's without actually looking in my folder
>>746079104Those are big names in the Quake scene because they're the only projects of that caliber. High quality Doom mapsets are released every couple months. Arcane Dimensions is over a decade old at this point.
ashes 2063
>>746091148Off your meds again?
>>746062962The game is decent, as decent as anything made with that piece-of-shit engine can be (eduke32).The DLC is okay too, but I personally didn't have the patience to finish it. There's a part where you have to keep trying to climb some ladders on some cranes, and those little flying robots that shoot rockets spawn as you climb, and the whole thing is so absurdly broken and frustrating that I decided it wasn't worth putting myself through it.It's time to let the build and its derivatives die once and for all. There's nothing to be gained by preserving that piece of shit.Ion Fury's visuals are quite impressive given the limitations of the engine. It's the only thing about the game that's truly admirable, although it quickly starts to suffer from the common problems of games made with Build, pulling you out of those complex, realistic environments and shoving you into factories and complexes that are always much less interesting (but that's where you spend most of your time).
>>746091707i find doom wads more consistent, let's not act like every map in AD is like tear of the false god
>>746092456>let's not act like every map in AD is like tear of the false godI'm not, and there are better maps in AD than Tears.
>>746082257Huh. I took enemy designs for granted so much I didn't notice. Despite simple behavior you have ones who fly, teleport behind you, jump, go prone, or drop on your face from the ceilings.
>>746064560that's just a normal build engine game
>>746072381It’s more like F.E.A.R.
>>746072979Troons and Futafaggots need to be insulted at every opportunity.
>>746084478She canonically has a dick.
>>746080956You didn’t play the game right.
He/d/on
>>746082257That's why Build games suck, actually. They never understood the arcade-style design you find in Doom 2 or Serious Sam, whose potential is truly revealed in custom content.A game like Shadow Warrior feels more like a tactical game than an arcade game, where you need to take cover and attack at the right moment, eventually going wild with your overpowered weapons (to fight equally overpowered enemies). It's a valid type of gameplay, but there's only so far you can go in creating interesting situations with "complex" enemies that, at the end of the day, can't even handle the basic geometry of the levels.
>>746073350Her name is Shelly "Zipperheads can't make me wet" Harrison for a reason.
>>746091707Eh, I'd say you're overselling AD. The maps are good, but not "will blow your socks off" good. Besides, Wrath's map are even prettier, but they have a massive problem of being too fucking long. Like, 50+ minutes for a single map, every map.
>>746083945Don't forget. You are here forever.
>>746068292I liked it
>>746094283Every FPS of the era failed to learn what made Doom 2's monsters so interesting and versatile. id didn't even reflect on it themselves with the two Quake games. Quake 1's entire cast, minus the basic soldiers, feel like they were meant to be an expansion upon Doom 2's roster. An expansion to a foundation that is totally absent.
>>746094623>Eh, I'd say you're overselling AD. The maps are good, but not "will blow your socks off" good.I disagree, but then we're in a thread with people who think Ion Fury is great and Quake Brutalist Jam 3 is the pinnacle of Quake mapping so what do I know?
Honestly the more time passes the more I realise Plutonia is where fps peaked.
>>746094283>>746094772What made Doom 2's monsters so interesting and versatile? How are their potential truly revealed in custom content while Duke's doesn't?
>>746083189I WARNED YOU ABOUT STAIRS BROI TOLD YOU DOG!!!
>>746096898they are varied enough to create endless fight scenarios and theyr behaviours is simple enough that a mapper can predict how they will behave
>>746083189HROT?
>>746065487It's like /v/ niggers know that instead of starting a thread genuinely being like "hey this game was pretty good let's talk about it" the gay as fuck meta is to bait by calling it a piece of shit kys to get more engagement for the thread.
>>746062962This game is awesome, but I can see why fags would hate it.
>>746097821>sloppa of a memegrim
>>746062962I fucking hated what I've played of it, but then again I don't like Duke 3D in the first place. Doom is where is at, including the latest ones.
>>746098197Whatever here who gives a shit.
>>746096898Their relative simplicity played well in their favor. Everything(outside of a couple instances) does 1 thing. It's predictable, but it means you can place a lot of different enemy combinations together to craft different fights. The number of the enemies also helps, everything has a well-defined role.Other FPS try to complicate this by giving their monsters 2 or 4 kinds of action, but this restricts how you're able to use those enemies.
>>746066289I think merely being charmless isn't enough to constitute as a girlboss. She either has to emasculate men or have the writer present her as being in the right when she's clearly in the wrong. The Campaign Evolved bitch is a girlboss because she puts down Chief. Captain Marvel is a girlboss because she breaks a catcaller's wrist
>>746092698Yep, Duke enemies are nuanced as fuck. It's probably the main thing that separates it from Doom (aside from realistic environments)>>746094283Maybe I don't always want shallow arcade gameplay where all an enemy does is throw a fireball and need circle strafing. Doom 2 is fine for what it is, but I don't need or want every shooter to be Doom 2. Saying build games suck (and not just Redneck Rampage or Tekwar) is certainly an opinion though... a bad one.
>>746099448>Other FPS try to complicate this by giving their monsters 2 or 4 kinds of actionAs they should. We aren't still living in 1994. Nobody is making Doom again, aside from Doom mappers in their freetime.
>>746100792Nah, they shouldn't. It's why none of those games end up being nearly as good as Doom.
>>746102304You will never experience Doom again for the first time. Nor should you. We already have Doom. Why should someone make Doom again?
>>746102381They don't have to, but they can pull design cues from Doom in order to improve their games. Serious Sam did it well enough.
>>746102490If you want the Doom experience, you should just play Doom wads. Having basic-ass enemies who only do literally 1 thing is suitable for a user map. Not any other full fucking game. Nobody should be that basic ever again. Not even Duke 3D, arguably Doom's closest neighbor.
>>746102490Serious Sam blows.
boring ahh level design and aesthetic
>>746102872but enough about dusk
>>746102921Dusk had great aesthetics... at least once you finally left the backwoods village shit.>Escher Labs>Erebus Reactor>Neo Babelgood shit
>>746102713>Having basic-ass enemies who only do literally 1 thing is suitable for a user map. Not any other full fucking game.Why? So you can make a bullet point on a list that says "lots of enemy behaviors? There's a reason why Doom has persisted all this time and continues to have unique gameplay created out of vanilla game logic. While the Build games are all completely dead, with maybe 1 big project over the last 30 years.
>>746103193Yes anon, obviously I care about a spreadsheet list more than how a game plays.No you moron, so you can have enemy encounters that play out slightly differently on replays.Who even thinks "Duke and build games are dead?" People still constantly talk about and replay them too. What, you think someone saw a lizard trooper activate his jetpack and begin flying instead of mindlessly walk and shoot, and go>WHOA, THIS IS TOO MUCH FOR ME, I'M GONNA QUIT MY REPLAY OF DUKE 3D AND BOOT UP DOOM 2 INSTEADcome the fuck on bro
>>746102921dusk isnt good but its better than ion fury. stay mad tho.
>>746103593You seem to care more about spreadsheets than how the game plays, with how defensive you're getting over me praising Doom over every other contemporary FPS.
>>746081578Wrath was pretty solid, good even
>>746103771>erm, you're arguing with me, which means you don't actually mean what you saidyeah OK bud
>>746103902You're contradicting yourself.
>>746104106I don't doubt you think so with your broken logic.>"if you defend games against my shallow takes, it means you don't care about gameplay"no, see, that doesn't track
the only bad thing i nthis game is too many sewer levels, I know the level designer that likes sewers is in this thread and I really wanted to tell you're a disguting faggot you sewer lover kill yourself.
>when you put the worst shotgun of any fps into your boomer shooter
>>746062962It works as a secret-hunting game with the difficulty set to low to avoid the shit combat.
>>746068421>>746069174>>746069863qrd?
