What do you think?
>>746067251switch demon's souls with Bloodborne and elden ring with sekiro
>>746067251Same actually, except I'd put nightreign in S.
>>746067251Why is Demake Souls on this tier list?
>>746067251Move Sekiro up 1 and Bloodborne down 1
>>746067251Remove Sekiro because it isn't a Souls game.
>>746067251dishonest and reddit
>>746067251
>>746067251Sekiro should be in SRemake isn't technically From but it's retarded to not have it as high as Demon's just because Remake badthe rest I can agree with
>>746067251Pretty based if we arent taking dlcs into account
>>746067251Feel the exact same way, maybe swap III and II around depending on the mood. I really wish I could appreciate Sekiro but as I'm going through their slow games, I'm starting to think me old bones don't like hyper-reflex action that much any more
Where's Nightreign? Where's The Duskbloods? You sound like an old man reminiscing about the past, making the same thread over and over without looking at the present because it makes you feel some kinda way. You can't deny the existence of those game, old man.
>Demon's Souls (2009)>S>Demon's Souls (2020)>DMental retardation.It's the same game with some different textures and sound effects. If that's enough to create a giant discrepancy in rankings then your opinion is worthless.
>>746067251They are all shit, he should be ashamed of making such bad games with zero story, the only reason why the games are seen as good are due to a) the combat and b) for others to gloat "git gud" bullshit.
>>746067251>sekiro c tierYour taste is shit.
>>746067251>S: DS1Best map, and strikes a great balance of mechanical difficulty, dungeon crawling, and RPG gameplay. Undefeated generational classic for a reason.>A: BB, ERTwo antithetical games, but they're the best at what they do each.>B: DeS, DS2A ton of great but unpolished ideas, and fun dungeon crawling.>C: DS3Vanishingly few redeeming qualities that make it stand out among the other games, besides a fantastic roster of bosses.Haven't played sekiro
>>746067251>Sekiro in the same tier as ds2Unserious
>>746067572>Pretty based if we arent taking dlcs into accountHow would you rank them with DLC?>>746067859>Where's Nightreign? Where's The Duskbloods?Never played Nightreign and ranking Dvskbloods now would be weird>>746067942>It's the same game with some different textures and sound effects.Lmfao. No it's not, the only thing I loved was the active online on release, invading 3-3 as old monk was fun.
>>746068102>>Sekiro in the same tier as ds2True, DaS2 would be higher, depending on my mood, like the other anon said. But thinking about starting a new DaS2 run gives me mental aids
>>746068089Good one, can't hate on your list, just a bit sad that DeS is so low, but I get it.
>>746068583I have the urge to put it higher too, but it's just hard to compete with the other games. It's still obviously very good
>>746067251id move ds2 to f tier and swap suckiro and ds3
Sekiro fans just want the most dumbed down branch of the formula. no positioning, no resource management, just pure dont take damage slop
>>746067251I really don't get the DS3 hate. Putting Sekiro that low is also nonsense.
>>746067402Isn't it the same but with dsfix already installed?
>>746069842?????????????????????????
If you disagree you're wrong.
>>746067251are you 50 years old?
>>746067550you are a Cunt
>>746069842I think he's talking about DeS remake. But to answer your question, no, the DS1 remake is le bad.
>>746067251Close. Switch elden ring and sekiro then switch dark souls 2 and dark souls 3.
I've only played DS 1-3, and dropped BB and ER so for me it is DS1 and DS2 at the top and everything else below it because I like the slower more methodical feeling of 1-2. BB onward took the worst stuff from the 1 DLC of bosses comboing you and doing really long bullshit that forces you to roll all the time (limited by DS1 engine and made it the new normal)I wish the series took more from DS1 and DS2 than AotA and BB
>>746070201>reddit, the tier listlol and some of you niggas call my list reddit tier
>>746067567>Remake isn't technically From but it's retarded to not have it as high as Demon's just because Remake badDemon's Souls demake is one of the worst examples of a game being bastardized so it definitely doesn't deserve to be on the same tier especially since it ruined the art and atmosphere which are the best parts of the original.
Elden Ring is the greatest game of all time and any tier list that doesn't have it in S-tier is hard to take seriously.
>>746070296>are you 50 years old?28
>>746067251>>746070464>>746067372>"dude bloodborne is mid at best">"um ackshully BB sucks">dude sekiro is the best, I'm so contrarianno one fucking cares what you have to say you stupid fucking nigger touristSekiro is a fucking glorified rhythm game you play once and forget about forever and if you played Bloodborne after Elden Ring or Dark Souls 3 or whatever some time recently and not back in fucking 2015 or whatever your opinion is worthless, you're a tourist retard, you weren't there, you're a bandwagoning faggot, enjoy the literal shit slop you're going to get for the rest of your life, this garbage hacked up franchise and dev belong to you now and you truly deserve them.
>>746067251All we really needed to see was how you rate DSII vs DSIII.
>>746070648I never played Sekiro, I just don't like the direction BB took for the series regarding gameplay.I understand why other people like it but for me it made every other mechanic shallow just to have more fluid combat. The only thing I really like about BB is the setting
>>746067550Move ds1 up to S and BB to BBloodborne is trash
>>746070648Begone Sony cultist. The game is emulatable, everybody knows that aesthetic notwithstanding there is nothing remarkable about it. Mechanically and in terms of boss quality it is a worse game than DS3, which isn't even the best Souls game.
>>746067550Swap ds3 and elden ring around then it's perfect.
>>746067251S: Dark SoulsA: Elden Ring, Dark Souls 3, Demon's SoulsB: Bloodborne, SekiroC: Demon's Souls RemakeD(ark Souls 2): Dark Souls 2
>>746070757>Bloodborne is trashnah
>>746067402>>746069842>>746070370
>>746070603Dungeons too easy. It's A tier.
>>746067251>Elden Shitring in A tierNo.Elden Ring is a polished turd with an audience of easily amused zoomer retards.
>>746070648I could say the same shit about everything that came after DeS and DaS1 faggot.>>746070696>All we really needed to see was how you rate DSII vs DSIII.3 wins, but I don't even hate 2. Sometimes I feel bad for having ER so high, because some stuff feels really repetitive.
>>746070860>polished turd with an audience of easily amused zoomer retards.Sounds like BOTW
>>746070813KEK my fucking sides
>>746067251Is anybody buying the Switch 2 port of Eldin Ring? I kinda want to buy it since I've never played it before but the $80 price tag is making me hesitate
>>746070780>The game is emulatable, everybody knows that aesthetic notwithstanding there is nothing remarkable about it>The game is emulatableMeaning you didn't fucking play it in its time, you played it after fucking COVID at best, after you played every other fucking games in the series you absolute fucking retard, way to prove my point, fucking tourist nigger.>>746070910NTA but uh yeah that's an apt comparison, Elden Ring is the BOTW of the From Series except BOTW is objectively much, much worse.
>>746067567>>746070583Only the PS3 originals were approved by Miyazaki.
>>746070813I just laughed my ass off for 2 mins straight, those fucking WoW and Skyrim references, I'm having a beer, btw. Do you have more of that shit?
>>746067251you need to swap ds2 and ds3
>>746067251>SDemon's Souls, Dark Souls>ABloodborne, Sekiro>BDark Souls II>CDark Souls III>DDark Souls II: Scholar of the First Sin, Elden Ring>Demon's Souls RemakeDemon's Souls Remake>>746070813Anyone who praised this remake needs to have their status as human revoked. Downgraded to cattle.
>>746067251dark souls 2 is better than dark souls 1
>>746071092I respect DS2tards, but if I have to eliminate one forever, it would be DS2...
>>746071174Sorry tripfag, but DeS and DS1 aren't for debate, I'm open for anything but those 2.
>>746070910>Sounds like BOTW
>>746071178>>>/reddit/
>>746071125based
>>746071038>I'm having a beer, btwYou should play Diablo II
>>746067550Based. I think DS2 could maybe drop a tier but everything else is perfect.
>>746067251>What do you think?i think miyazaki is a retard that's never worked on a good gamesekiro a tier, everything else c/d tieri've played das1, das2 and elden ring like 50 times btw so i know what i'm talking about
>>746067251Put Dark Souls 2 in S, Bloodborne in C, and Dark Souls 3 in C. That piece of shit remake shouldnt even be on the list
>>746071567Ninja Gaiden 4 flopped.
>>746071626>That piece of shit remake shouldnt even be on the listthis is just performative considering you also say>put Bloodborne in Csubhuman tourist retard
>>746067432This guy fucks
>>746067251I agree but I would move Sekiro up a slot or two. good list.
so wheres armored core
>>746067251Otogi is better than any soulslop
>>746067251Bloodborne is the ultimate realization of everything learned by and attempted by Miyazaki up to that point. It was also wholly built around its faster pace from the beginning unlike Dark Souls 3 and later games that would just slap the speed into it in a completely out of place "THE ZOOMERS NEED MORE 20 MOVE BOSS COMBOS AND TURN BASED ROLL SLOP" design philosophy. Bloodborne is actual artistry about Godhood and evolution, inspired by r/K selection theory with a brilliant twist on what first appears to be a generic game about werewolves and Draculas. It has the best soundtrack they've ever done which was recorded entirely with a real orchestra instead of using synthesized bullshit. Its level design is virtually flawless. It is the first From Software game to even attempt having spells with actually cool and outside the box effects and animations, something they would even attempt again until Elden Ring. The blood vial system is also a fucking incredible filter for subhuman zoomers, who STILL complain even playing the game in 2026 when there are literally 0 load times to justify their frustration over not simply being given everything they need all at once for simply asking. Simultaneously saying "whoa, this game from 7-8 years prior's bosses are pitiful compared to Elden Ring's soulless attack spam bosses!" and "WTF WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL MY HEALING ITEMS?" Maybe get hit less and die less you fucking faggot retard.Bloodborne literally transcends From Software and the "Souls" series as a whole. It is not "the best souls game" but rather "one of the best games ever made".
>>746072413Elden Ring is better.
reasons ppl like blood born: regnerating health, can get away with spamming because of itreasons ppl like sekiro: no resource management, all powerful defensive option lets you ignore positioningfunny how the most popular games also seem to cater to the dumbest individuals...
>>746067550King shit
>>746067550>>746070757>hey you made a contrarian but clearly reasoned and understandable alternative tier list>I'm gonna chime in with my retard opinion to suggest to make the list more generic in a stupid way, like I'm seriously missing something, and as if anyone respects my retarded takeI WISH your dad was around in your life more not to make you a better person but solely in the hopes he could have sexually abused you, >>746070757 deserves to have been raped by his dad as a child
>>746067251>>746067550>>746070201>>746070570KF4 to S tier.
>redditsouls
>>746072413>>746072482Bloodborne was literally DeS2, Yoshida literally asked From to make a game for the ps4, and out came Bloodborne.>old one = great one>soul arts = eldritch truth>world tendency = insight >general theme of the dangers of forbidden knowledge>sage freke literally saying he'll use demon souls to reach a higher plane>both games feature themes of a loss of humanity, becoming a demon/beast/kin>father gascoigne saying umbasa before it was cut meaning bb originally had more of a tie into des than they ended up going with>The One Reborn = Tower Knight>Evetta Muradasilova voices Maiden in Black and The Doll and Maria >Demon's Souls armor cameo found in Chalice DungeonsDemon's Souls cut "sidestep" animation that was clearly used for Bloodbornehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1UICVMu1e8
>>746067251Get that stupid remaster out of there and put the real GOAT up there, you faggot. And put Sekiro up there with it, where it belongs.Also, drop the Demake, it isn't a real From game.
>>746067942The fact people like you exist is why it deserves to be at the bottom.
>>746072720>>redditsouls
>>746069781>I really don't get the DS3 hate.trannycord meme. it's easily the best out of the ds trilogy and its additions (FP, weapon skills, boss design, etc) were further refined in Elden Ring.
S, A, B: any combination of Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, Bloodborne, Dark Souls 3, Sekiro and Elden RingC: NothingD: Dark Souls 2, SotFSF: Demon's Souls Remake, Dark Souls Remastered
>>746072641lmao
>>746069781>>746073456how is solid middle ground "hate"? DeS Demake is bad, but DS3 is good. >ArchthronesArchthrones
>>746067251A tier: all these games, they're fine.Demake Souls: get it off the list. Remake culture can kiss my peepee hole.
>>746067251move bb to smove DeS to amove sekiro to bmove ds3 and er to cmove ds2 to d
>>746067251>normslop game postingYAWNAWN
>ds1 actual garbage with both shit combat and build variety. it gets glazed for its "metroidvania interconnected maps" but that is NOT level design. level design is the placement of enemies, terrain, items, etc. and ds1 definitely does NOT have the best level design in the ds trilogy, let alone the entirety of fromsoft's catalogue. stormveil castle absolutely mogs the entirety of ds1's level design, ESPECIALLY the dumpster fires known as lost izalith and tomb of giants. its bosses range from either being mid (ornstein and smough) or completely fucking retarded (capra demon, bed of chaos, moonlight butterfly, etc). the boss fights are just way too slow and simplistic to be seriously compared to modern examples. the average souls player of today can easily first try most of the bosses in ds1. >ds2 arguably the most experimental of the ds trilogy. it introduced several retarded features (adaptability, soul memory, healing consumables) but also added genuinely nice features that would return in future games (dual wielding, immediate access to bonfire warping, more ring slots). the game gets unfairly criticized by shitters (see: matthewmatosis) for supposed enemy spam, but literally the only way for you to get swarmed in ds2 is if you run blindly across the map. the game gives you plenty of corridors and choke points to deal with crowds. >ds3 the best the ds trilogy has to offer, with the most memorable boss fights in fromsoft's catalogue (gael, friede, nameless king, midir). also includes several new features that would return in elden ring (fp and weapon skills).>sekiro my first fromsoft game. has one of the best combat systems among fromsoft games, but the nonexistent build variety is a bummer.literally just as linear as ds3, but only ds3 will get criticized for being too linear. >eldenliterally the culmination of every souls game fromsoft has developed up until this point.nothing more needs to be said.
>>746067251Put Duskbloods at least in A tier.
>>746067251Eh, I guess.
If you like DeS and DaS1 the most out any of the Souls games you're a delusional nostalgiafag. The level design and combat is worse than BB, DaS3, and ER by far.
why is everyone hating the Demon's Souls Remake? It's literally just Demons Souls with updated graphics
>>746074726You can feel free to put Bloodborne in F tier at this point, you think Elden Ring is the best game ever made and played it last. You lack the experiential context to ever enjoy it again. You're like a juror that has too much prior knowledge of a case who is expelled for being tainted.LITTLE TIP FOR EVERYONE, NOT JUST THIS ANON: IF YOU DIDN'T START WITH DEMON'S SOULS OR DARK SOULS BACK IN LIKE FUCKING 2011, YOUR OPINION DOESN'T MATTER AND YOU'RE THE BRAINDEAD NIGGER TOURIST FROM EXISTS TO PUMP OUT PIG SLOP FOR. I KNOW YOU'LL LOVE LIVING IN PLATO'S CAVE GOING FORWARD WITH ALL THE FUN TRASH PROJECTED ON THE WALLS JUST FOR YOU, BUT YOU ACTUALLY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ANYTHING.
>>746074989Updated graphics =/= complete redesignBut you knew that, disingenuous piece of shit
>>746074932>DaS1>the level design... is worse>than DaS3 (the one they added a shit ton of fast travel from a pseudo hub to and gave a lore explanation for because it doesn't fucking connect or work in actuality)>and ER (what level design it's a fucking big open empty world with disconnected dungeons peppered around it)you're fucking retarded, DaS1 has the best level design in the entire series with a truly interconnected world
>>746075098you never played the remake
>>746075037>You can feel free to put Bloodborne in F tier at this pointdoes bloodborne have the same utter dogshit combat, build variety, retarded level design, slow as fuck brainless bosses as ds1? i'll make that decision for myself when i get around to finally emulating it, unc.
>>746075206Of course not.
>>746075193>the level design... is worse>than DaS3Absolutely.>muh world design Who gives a shit when the actual individual levels are mostly subpar?
>>746075270go get another perm, zoomoidgodddd I wanna cut off your fingers and poke holes in you with a steak knife
>>746075193>DaS1 has the best level designlost izalith and tomb of giants would like a word with you stormveil castle btfo's anor londo any day of the week. >truly interconnected worldthat is a novelty that doesnt add to gameplay. it's like glazing rdr2 for having detailed horse testicle physics.
>>746075353someone should have killed you in your cribsnapped your little neck
>>746075351>godddd I wanna cut off your fingers and poke holes in you with a steak knifenah, unc. if youre moving like a ds1 boss, your telegraphs would be so fucking slow and obvious that i can "methodical combat" your ass and slowly strife to the side and dodge you. lmfao
>>746075384>someone should have killed you in your cribsnapped your little neckds1 glazers dont have any actual comebacks when their favorite dogshit game gets shat on. lolololol
Bloodborne > Sekiro > Dark Souls III > Dark Souls > Elden Ring >>> Dark Souls III didn't fully play Demon Souls when I had a PS3 so I can't rank it. If we count AC6 its above Sekiro. Nightreign is pretty much with Elden Ring but has more fun gameplay.
>>746067550The ultimate Sony narrative ranking.
>>746069742>press L1 a bunch of times against 99% of the bosses of the game>winSekirofags think its peak
>>746067251It doesn't include any of their best games.
>>746071916Its not performative at all, it's a piece of shit>if you dont have the reddit opinion you're a touristKill yourself faggot bloodborne is mediocre shit. You can emulate it at 4k 60 right now and no one cares because it's a boring as fuck game
>>746075353I think the individual level designs of the first half are underglazed because everyone only focuses on the elevator. That's part of why the falloff feels much worse than it should. The interconnected thing is just a nice bonus but that's about it, you spend most of game in the actual levels not gawking at how they transition into each other
>people bitching on DeSDemons Souls is special retards, you need to kiss its feet every single day as without it there would be no dark souls +You can say the remake is trash and shit its fine, but the original deserves S by impact and inspiration ALONE, while ALSO being a great game
>>746067251>Sekiro that low>Demon Souls that High>>746067550>Shartborne (4 good bosses) that high
>>746067550100% this
>>746075982Nah, it's a good game but future FROM games have completely eclipsed it outside of DaS2 which is just garbage all around.
>>746067251>3 above 2immediately invalidated. better luck next time.
>>746067550based and true.
This is the objective tier list. Don't (You) me.
Anyone who puts shitkiro above D tier is a dumbassAnyone who even includes it in these lists is a retard
I don't get how anyone can like DS2. That game is genuinely ass and plays like an indie dark souls rip off game.
>>746076442DSII started off under the direction of Tomohiro Shibuya. It was going to be even more open world. They got a lot done, but Bamco came down on them and forced them to scrap half the game. They put Yui Tanimura in charge who had to pick up the pieces 6 months from launch. Bamco originally designated DS2 to be a PS4 game and then decided that nope, we're actually putting it on the ps3, which forced the downgrade, Cell architecture, garbage gtx 7800 rebrand GPU and 256MB+256MB = PS3>Dark Souls 2 downgrade full comparisonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59eLW1IGUCU>Dark Souls 2 Design Workshttps://peterbarnard1984.tumblr.com/post/113163062955/dark-souls-2-design-works-translation>How The Gutter Got Guttedhttps://youtu.be/t_YcEvpAafE>Dark Souls 2 Graphics - Network Test vs. Vanilla vs. Scholar of the First Sinhttps://youtu.be/eMKsouZ9CNI>The Archives - Repository of lore documents, interviewshttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1MsqQvo7nQGzeifTMbAV5e0gL-5hshof_They tried to expand the engine with a new lighting system but it fell through and forced them to visually downgrade the shaders through most of the game. The project was rebooted almost entirely when Tanimura's team took it over. They had to rework the original, unfinished 'open world' version of the game and take what little bits of it were complete enough to use and put together a full-length game out of it. As a result, Drangleic is missing many, many of its intended areas, transitions were cut, levels were left unpolished and unfinished, questlines were cut, etc.Dark Souls 3 and Elden Ring have a lot of Tanimura's ideas for Dark Souls 2
Miyazaki's best>Demon's Souls>Dark Souls>Bloodborne>Sekiro>Elden RingAll kamige
>>746076519I remember seeing the trailers when DS2 was coming out. It looked so much more different than the game was. Granted I only played vanilla on release so I have no clue if Scholar ever fixed the host of issues with it. My main complaints with DS2 is it feels like you are moving in water a lot of the time and not in that heavy weighted feel of DS1. The weapons never felt like they had any weight to them when you hit things. The hitboxes were also completely fucked.
i take solace in that with time more and more people seem to come to the realization that Dark Souls 2 is better than 3, and that they were led astray by the opinions of influencers who made their decisions for them.give it a few more years and people will just unanimously agree that it's better than 3 for all its innovation and risks that it took, rather than the bland linear self-fellating game that 3 was.
>>746076661Nobody will ever care about DaS2 because it's a dogshit game with terrible level design and controls.
>>746075338>10 heals>using blessed weapons in the archives
>>746076805unfortunately for you, the pattern is clear. with time DS2 is only more appreciated, while nobody ever talks about DS3.there's no shame in admitting you were led astray or had your opinion influenced, a lot of people did, and I won't mock you when you finally accept it, instead i'll welcome you with open arms.
S tier>DaSPartially here by nostalgia, but the ideas that it has are my favorites, even if often times it cant fully do them well>BBNot a fan of the setting like everyone, but objectively the best designed levels in the series, combat is good too.A tier>DeSThe creativity really peaked here, what lacks in polish more than it makes up for pure unfiltered bold ideas.>DaS3Have a soft spot for this, its really not that good of a game, but it has my favorite setting and some of my favorite designsB tier>ERToo big for its own good but damn its a very pretty game, and that 1st playthrough is unforgettable >AC6Dont care for mecha personally but this really grabbed me, from the customization to the gameplay and weirdly the charactersC tier>DaS2Not a bad game but it just doesnt feel good to play, wouldnt call it underrated but its probably better than its reputation>SekiroTheir most cinematic title (in a good way), but i always felt the combat lacked depth, really wish it got a sequel.D tier>NRNice character design and the night lords are fun fights but im just not into mp games much>DB (so far)Weird "party game-like" structure and i just didnt like the characters, combat felt surprisingly nice though >>746067251Good, but DeS remake should be lower, in fact not even there would be better
>>746076852>unfortunately for youIt's not.
>>746067251Play more games
>>746077524Is Lies of P that good?
Lost Kingdoms
>>746076642>>746076852>I remember seeing the trailers when DS2 was coming out. It looked so much more different than the game was. Granted I only played vanilla on release so I have no clue if Scholar ever fixed the host of issues with it.Dark Souls 2 went through dev hell.DS2 Beta Version (Shibuya)>DS2 was originally written to be about time travel, with the player character acquiring the items necessary to travel back in time with an artifact known as the pendulum of time. You would have met the Emerald Herald in the past, helped her, and given her the aged feather that you still receive in the base game>Ds2 is their first attempt at making Elden ring>Aqueduct that served as an alternate route into the Castle >Cut section of the gutter>The crossroads at the shaded woods was made to connect different previously unrelated zones together>The path from Heide's to the Warf was also a later rushjob>Multiple zones having an alternate version due to the the time travel plot being cut down to just the giants memories>The gyrm? They used to be builders in the employ of the royal family, and it was them who discovered the Shrine of Amana that connects to the ancient underground city of the unde- oh, sorry, I mean the undead crypt, the thing it was repurposed intoRetail version (2014)>Tanimura has to salvage DS2 >Tanimura in the Design Works interview basically saying "I would've scrapped the whole thing I was left with if it was up to me, but we had deadlines to meet." >DS2 is a rushed mess stitched together from cut and repurposed content late in its development>PS3 runs 720p 25-30 fps constantly with 60fps cap, removed the parallax shading and simplified the materials from the trailer>Tanimura designs DLCs from scratchScholar of the First Sin final patch (2015)>Same as retail with new enemy and item placements>Scholar has a green tint and scholar's 110% luminance setting>Tanimura moves on to co-develop Dark Souls 3 and Elden Ring
There are souls like indie devs posting in here right now
>>746077665Dark Souls 2>Majula Protoypes (Pit in Majula wasn't planned)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjfbGavDQUo>Majula room with walkways leading to 6 monoliths (reused for DS3 Firelink)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n4VEKbFECM>Forest of Fallen Giants Early Mapshttps://youtu.be/MYFiw5_58Lk?si=dNvQoHGkbCipS-ob&t=2476>Lost Bastille Early Maphttps://youtu.be/Ct_LBmsX4wc?si=IfMV2cXoZ-d3SUYv>How The Gutter Got Guttedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_YcEvpAafE>Dark Souls 2 cut menu: the spellbook!https://bsky.app/profile/lordradai.bsky.social/post/3monqgxczys2q>E3 2013 Colorgradinghttps://www.nexusmods.com/darksouls2/mods/1504>Dark Souls 2 Graphics - Network Test vs. Vanilla vs. Scholar of the First Sin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMKsouZ9CNI>Originally, Gilligan was going to be a slave trader found in Majula, accompanied by the child version of Shanalotte, who was a slave. There, you'd have the option to either buy her freedom or to simply kill Gilligan.
>>746077665>Tanimura designs DLCs from scratchand it showsgod, if only the base game was as good
>>746077980Eleum Loyce in Nightreignhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ31YT1IfZk
>>746067251Master perfect grade / Divine spiral heaven piercing tierSekiro /Elden Ring / Dark Souls 1 / BloodborneMehds2 / ds3 / des
>>746077665Guess I was too harsh on DS2.
>>746075871>>746069742And you fags only did>circle>circle>circleand used some cheesy build
>>746077587It's not perfect by any means, but it has really tight and satisfying combat, the story is good, the bosses are very well designed (especially the final boss of the DLC), and there's some smart gameplay mechanics like the ability to earn back a free healing item when you're completely out just by attacking the boss, leaning into the higher risk high reward nature. If you like these types of games at all, it's absolutely worth playing.
This seems like a good thread to post my opinion.I just played dark souls 3 for the first time and Elden Ring is so much better in every way that it's staggering. I loved DS3, but the most mid levels in elden ring clears the best levels in dark souls 3 by a country mile>stormveil>raya lucaria>haligtreeEven castle mourne feels comparable to stuff like Irithyll in terms of sizeNot to mention the bosses. Gael, sister friede, midir, are not even close to the visuals and moveset creativity of godfrey, radagon, maliketh, placidusax, rykard, messmer, all of them really...
>>746067251pvp list would look very different.S, dark souls 2A, dark souls, dark souls 3B, demons soulsD, bloodborne, elden ring
>>746072121zased, bring it back fromslop
>>746078717Retard
The building to the left of the Sunlight Altar always looked a little out of place - turns out it's a match for the entrance to the Depths (when scaled slightly differently). The end of the hallway has the same window (though with the shutter hinged the wrong way).https://nitter.net/samuelhdiamond/status/1453864236124360705https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlSu_WlJ96ghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uQWJ5-X0Gk
>>746078623Dark Souls 3 was a contractual obligation and test for Elden Ring
>>746077665>Tanimura designs DLCs from scratchBrume Tower still uses a bunch of stuff from the original Iron Keep and I wouldn't be surprised if the other DLCs did something like that, too, given the shoddy craftmanship of some parts like the Loyce cathedral not having any windows on the sides.
>>746067550Elden ring is the greatest video game ever made
>>746078623>>746079851>I just played dark souls 3 for the first time and Elden Ring is so much better in every way that it's staggeringAre you playing them in the release order to see how Miyazaki evolved?>2009 Demon's Souls>2011 Dark Souls>2015 Bloodborne>2016 Dark Souls 3 (co-developed by Tanimura, Dark Souls 2 dev)>2019 Sekiro>2022 Elden Ring (co-developed by Tanimura, Dark Souls 2 dev)>2026 The Duskbloods
>>746079798>Brume Tower still uses a bunch of stuff from the original Iron Keep QRD and more on DS2 development?
I think anyone putting demon souls in S is a larper
>>746067251I don't think you do
>>746075037You are a very special boy for playing the games when they first came out
>>746067512>parryslop is totally different from rollslop
>>746079883Nah I went DeS > DS1 > Sekiro > Elden ring > Nightreign > DS3 and about to play AC6.Wasn't gaming much when ds2 through bloodborne came out.
>>746080071>DeS > DS1 > Sekiro > Elden ring > Nightreign > DS3 and about to play AC6.How do you rank them so far?
>>746067550Yeah
>>746067251Having DeS in S but the remake in D when they're quite literally the exact same game is peak contrarianism. Also Demon's Souls is by far the worst game Fromsoft has made in the Soulslike genre. DS2 is better.BB > DS1 > Sekiro > DS3 > ER > DS2 > DeS > DeSR
>>746080290>Having DeS in S but the remake in D when they're quite literally the exact same game is peak contrarianism. Also Demon's Souls is by far the worst game Fromsoft has made in the Soulslike genre. DS2 is better.Dark Souls 1 is worst>interconnected world in DS1 ends 1/3 into the game>Undead Burg and Parish are a worse 1-1 style area from Demon's Souls>Blighttown is a worse Valley of Defilement>Pinwheel - Worse version of False Idol from demon's souls>Painted World of Cut Content: The Area. Crossbreed Priscilla cut heroine NPC. Velka was a cut Covenant. >see anor londo for the first time>excited that itll be like undead burg but ornate and maintained instead of drab and falling apart>tfw its like 0.1% explorable and youre mostly just running on roof tiles and across arches>DeS's faster and more fluid combat over DaS1>Worse particle effects than Demon's Souls>Lost Izalith>L2 to beat the final boss lolDark Souls ages even more poorly when you see all the shit they ripped off. Like the opening up doors ambush in Boletaria palace getting moved to the lower undead burg, the identical enemies, the undead soldiers and warriors that have identical scripting to Dreglings and Boletarian soldiers, and so on. So many similarities pile up
>>746080347DS1 perfected what DeS tried to do. There is quite literally not one single thing that DS1 doesn't do better than DeS.
>>746080405The weapon animations and player movement is so much worse in DS1.
>>746080573lmao shut up, not even trying with your bait.
>>746070648>Sekiro is a fucking glorified rhythm gameYeah that's why it is great. From didn't do the same shit with the reused assets they shit out every game.
>>746067251ER belongs to D tier with 3Sekiro and BB are B tier, 2 is C. DeS Demake is in shouldn't exist tieryes A tier is empty, powergap between DeS/DS1 and DS2
>>746080003yes you retarded nigger read a fucking book
DS2 should be above DS3.
S - Sekiro/BB/DS1A - DeSB - Elden Ring DS3C - DS2Sekiro is just super focused and does what it sets out to do phenomenally, DS nailed the formula and had the best exploration due to the world design, BB had great combat and each area was extremely well put together. I would rate DeS higher but it's very experimental and I think it misses as much as it hits. The whole series has become super combat focused and I'd like to have seen a reality where they pursued the more puzzle/adventure side that DeS explored. ER was fun but quite unfocused and while I got through it solo, I don't like how they are pushing the difficulty of bosses. I don't think each game needs to top the previous game on difficulty. DS3 is very well done but too linear and too much of a retread for it to be higher. DS2 is just kinda ass but it did have amazing endgame PVP , lots of choice. DS2 was probably still better than your average game of that year. I am pretty tired of the formula now though.
>>746081032>DS2 should be above DS3.And why is that?
>>746080590Cope faggot, jerk off about DS1's perfection the next time you run through Izalith and the other subpar post anor londo areas
i think Elden ring is definitely weak on its own past the first playthrough; but seemless co-op makes it really fun.there's so much downtime in elden ring in multiple playthroughs and it makes me like the more linear gameplay the other games have.with all of that said, it's just fucking fun. just like ds2 it's just, fun. the other games ranked higher are just better complete packages
>SSekiro, Bloodborne>AElden ring, ds1>BDs3>who gives a shit tierWeek old cat piss and a bird turd>CDs2, DeS
>>746081093Jerk off about Demon's Soul's every time you run through the entire fucking game cause it's all mediocre as fuck. Lost Izalith is just your average Demon's Souls level you hypocritical contrarian faggot.
Started with Demon's Souls
>>746067251>DS2 that high Troll thread
>>746078220good onion
>>746077587Only if you think that bombastic bosses with delayed combo strings are the only thing that matters in souls-likes, because LoP fumbles everything else, the stages are basically Call of Duty tier linear corridors
I don't think
STEP ASIDE MASSIVE COCK COMING THROUGH
Objectively correct
>>746067251If you're gonna include a non souls game tenchu successor like Sekiro, then you may as well include Armored Core 6 and Déraciné
>>746080897>its not a dog, its a hound!
>>746081945>hypocritical contrarian faggotprojectionI accept you concession, nigger
>>746084093>no u>no argumentShut the fuck up
>would play tier list:Dark Souls, Bloodborne, Dark Souls 3 and maybe Dark Souls 2.The rest is unnoticeable
>>746067251>Sekiro in CDisregarded
Why do retards think Sekiro is a Souls game?
I see a lot of tier-lists around the world design, combat or RPG Elements. The only thing that should matter is the difficulty. Everything else is just flavor. The game I have the most amount of hours in is ED, the longest and most difficult game fromsoftware and I hope duskbloods is even harder.
Elden ring patch 1.03 is their peak. patch 1.04 and onwards was when they overhauled the enemy AI for the "modern audience" instead of using the AI that the devs themselves thought was fun. The AI ruined a lot of encounters, like ballistae shoot half as far as they used to, they used to be real obstacles, that one at weeping bridge would shoot at you when you were in line of sight coming down the hill in limgrave
>>746084236>game that's the same in structure aside from the few adjustments to the combat which is built on foundations from the previous souls gamesGee I dunno retard, you tell me.
>>746084372>Elden ring patch 1.03 is their peak. patch 1.04 and onwards was when they overhauled the enemy AI for the "modern audience" instead of using the AI that the devs themselves thought was funHow much was nerfed?
>>746084349Needs more tiers with Nightreign at the top
>>746067251Putting ds3 anywhere but the bottom unironically means you are subhuman
>>746084397>game that's the same in structureIt has checkpoints and that's it.
>>746067251>any soulsgame lower than a BRetard
>>746084469I'd be mad if mentally vacant, raped niggercattle opinions and observations like yours had an affect on Fromsoft's game design but thankfully they don't.
The only correct answer
>>746077524Shit taste. Take your objective souls ranking and blow it up your ass, faggot.
>>746067372Fpbp
all are sub6 games
>>746084349>Jerks off to "difficulty">doesn't even list sekiroIn everything but sekiro you can find a different build to counter any specific boss or even just overlevel until everything is easy, in sekiro you have no choice but git gud(also true for AC6 to a lesser extent but it's a stretch to call it a souls game)
>>746075338You alway post the same obviously unfinished corner between the dukes archive and the crystal cave you obsessed loserYou realize everyone in these threads has played DS1 and isn't fooled by your obsessive cherry picking right?Someone of Elden Rings' legacy dungeons(and even a couple of the oh so hated" copy pasted mini dungeons" ironically enough) do have top tier level design but nothing in DS3 comes close to the peaks of DS1
>>746067251Demake Souls being that low is dumb considering it is basically just Demon's Souls but uglier.
>>746084986So is this the true difficulty tier-list fromsoftware, I always figured you could finish Sekiro in the same amount of time as you would from the earlier installments of dark souls. Even if you would struggle in Sekiro its not like you would spend hundred of hours trying to finish it.
Bloodborne is not that good
>>746085198>DS3 comes close to the peaks of DS1The only standout levels in DaS1 are Sen's Fortress and Painted World of Ariamis, both don't even come close to the best levels in DaS3 like Undead Settlement or Lothric Castle. The levels in DaS1 are absolutely subpar. Even the Road of Sacrifices is better than shit like this LMAO since they are far more complex and larger.
>>746085487>cherrypick another obviously unfinished areaI'm dumb for even trying to argue with someone so dishonestUndead burg gigamogs undead settlement and you know it, don't even bother replying I won't waste anymore time with you clown
>>746067550My nigga
>>746085487>DaS1 haters getting so desperate they have to pretend Valley of Drakes is a "level"We're reaching levels of cope that shouldn't even be possible
>>746085852>obviously unfinished areaWow, that's like 60% of the fucking game.>Undead burg gigamogs undead settlementNot even fucking close. You're beyond delusional. The former might as well be a straight line against narcoleptic retards.
>>746067251Demon's Souls Remake should be in your Bluepoint tier list instead, just wanna point that out>>746069842It's a Bluepoint game, not a From Software game
>>746086186You have to pretend most of the levels in DaS1 is a "level" because they aree that basic, small, mediocre, and unfinished.
>>746067251Sekiro is S tier still the best combat flow in any game I've ever played.
>>746067550I'm a DaS2 fan myself but this list is designed purely.to be contrarian kek
Personally, I enjoyed DS3 the most.
Dark Souls 2 is the only good Dark Souls because it is the only one in which Miyazaki did not take part in the development
Bow down.
>>746067251>sekiro and dark souls 2 not S tierstopped reading there
DeS,DS,BB and Sekiro are the only ones really worth playing.
>>746068089kinda agree but i feel like i'd want to place elden ring and ds2 in the same tier even though ds2 is a shitshow with a heart of gold while elden ring is huge and impressive but thoroughly misguided. elden ring combat doesn't have the classic "souls" weight so all that's left is fromsoft jank. the game is also less replayable than souls games and the areas are generally just less interesting because of the open world meme. it's still cool but i just don't like it that much. idk how else to describe it, but whenever i see an elden ring enemy or area i think "not this shit again"
Women, trannies and zoomers hate Sekiro
>>746088682its a game made by a studio that has no idea how to design an action game. basically babbys first character action game in terms of design. of course fromdrones love it because theyve never played a real action game before
With this treasure I post
they hated him for he told them the truth
>>746067251I 100% agree. You and me can be friends.
>>746085302Demake's existence is a net negative to the world, that's why it should be at the bottom.
>>746089349>Liked the fire emblem demake but didn't like the absolute peak fiction that is drawn to lifeshit opinion
Every single From game I've played is objectively S or high A tier, even Sekiro which I personally just can't get along with.And that is why westoid """devs""" are still so mad at them.
>>746067251without Demon's Souls, you wouldn't have any of the other roll/parry-slops, so it's automatically S-tier.Dark souls' horrible input lag puts it in A-tier
>>746067251>Putting something in S tier because it's old.I'm tired of your shitty lists.
>>746089934it was the first fire emblem game i played and at the time i thought the gameplay and story were decent even if the characters looked a bit ugly.
>>746089537see>>746084457
>>746067251Elden Ring goes to D just for constantly wasting the player's timeAI Limit mogs all other soulslikes
>>746090376You didn't play a lot of them, then.
everything is debatable outside of elden ring, that shit sucks
>>746090769>AI Limit mogs all other soulslikesCare to explain why you think so?Otherwise I will just assume it's "weeb likes to play as an anime girl"
>>746091126no
>>746067251Souls 1SekiroElden Ringthe rest are trash especially these awful online sloppers
