>asian gains infinite power
>transforms herself into a white woman
Interesting...

>>746072683
It's a fun theory but the reality is they didn't know what the fuck they were doing with the plot.

>>746072861
just shaved her eyebrows and uses a lot of makeup, like geishas or cosplayers with a million filters

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>>746072683
FF8 will always be the underdog of this series.

>>746073120
Were the tits physics necessary when she has such small itty bitties?

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>>746073236
I say this with all due respect, but that is the stupidest question I've ever heard.

>>746072683
>Babies when their mom and their sister take turns playing peak-a-boo with them
>"This is the same woman"

>>746074370
That's not the problem. The problem is Square had been denying this to fan for over 2 decades. Fans were calling this shit out since the 90's with endless topics of full blown novels and detailed charts like someone was mapping out the stars, on how they're the same person and Square STILL told them, "LOL NOPE". What's going to happen if there ever was a FF8 remake is Square is going to try to make every single girl and npc do that same pose just to try to throw fans off than a surprise reveal at the last second of the game that both are the same(troll face), play part 3 of Final Fantasy 8 RE:make.

>>746073209
>junction was an easily abusable mess
>scaling that makes you want to avoid leveling up, in a jrpg
>amnesia subplot so bad there exists a mod that changes the story to remove it
>half of the original story missing
>great fan theory outright shut down by a dev for no reason
If IX shipped as Gaiden instead. The downward spiral in the mainline entries past VII would be so much clearer.

>>746075232
Rinoa and Ultimecia very obviously have parallels going on because they're both sorceresses, that doesn't necessarily mean they're the same person

>>746075732
Giving you the opportunity to name an object that becomes significant to Rinoa and somehow affects the name of Ultimecia's GF wasn't even subtle.

>>746075907
Ultimecia draws Griever from Squall's mind just like you can draw GF's from certain enemies

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>>746075732
If the parallels is because they're sorceress, why Adel and Edea doesn't share the same parallels?
>>746075907
There are even more significant details, which is more in-your-face in the original Japanese version.

Take my picture, it showcase the significance of the so-called “Commencement Room,” the first place we end up when Time Compression begins in the final disc. If you pay attention, you’ll notice it’s a recreation of the room in Deling City’s Presidential Residence.
You might think Ultimecia recreated it because it’s where she revealed herself to the world after possessing Edea, but that misses the key detail that it’s also where Rinoa fell in love with Squall. Rinoa herself says so in Disc 3:
>Japanese: 「その言葉がはじまりだったの」 (Sono kotoba ga hajimari datta no)
>Literal Translation: "Those words were the beginning."
>English Localization: "That's what started everything."

The "That's what started everything" localization sounds natural and conveys her feelings. However, by choosing the word "started," they inadvertently fuck it up for the final disc. In the Japanese script, this room is officially named:
>始まりの部屋 (Hajimari no heya)
>(The Room of Beginnings)

The recreation of this room during Time Compression exists because it’s where Rinoa fell in love with Squall. That’s why it appears, and that’s its significance in the game.

I'm surprised that R=Utards don't use the fact that Seifer has a scar and a gunblade as evidence that he and Squall are actually the same person from alternate universes created through time travel. It's exactly the same type of reasoning.

>>746076493
>It's exactly the same type of reasoning.
No, it isn’t. First, they exist at the same time as two different people. Second, we see them giving each other the scars. Third, that’s not comparable at all.

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>>746076487
I have more evidence like that one, if anyone's interested in the topic.

>>746076487
Or... it could be that first thing you mentioned and then brushed off for no reason. Also, we don't know why the hell Edea was just hanging out in that room in the first place. It could be some magic bullshit that sorceresses like, and that's why all the time-compressed sorceresses lead you there.

i miss when i enjoyed a long slog jrpg

>>746072683
R
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>>746076748
It could be the first thing I mentioned, sure, but that would mean ignoring the new name the room was given when it was recreated during Time Compression, as well as its link to the exchange between Squall and Rinoa in the flower field. This in a game shockfull of callbacks, big and small.

What we know about Ultimecia can barely fill two sentences and it directly contradicts any connection to Rinoa.

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Then there’s the whole Griever angle, which Nojima, the scenario writer, really played up in theimania book. He devoted several pages to retelling moments from the game through other characters’ perspectives, even revealing that Rinoa often thought about emulating the lion on Squall’s ring during intense, life-or-death situations.
>>746076992
>and it directly contradicts any connection to Rinoa.
Name them.

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She even drops the name of the boss music track in these pages.

>>746076487
>If the parallels is because they're sorceress, why Adel and Edea doesn't share the same parallels?

We don't really know much about Adel. Anyway, I think the purpose is to show why Ultimecia went crazy and what her mindset is since Rinoa faces a lot of the same issues, but to also contrast with Rinoa since Rinoa's love for Squall is what kept her sane. The whole point is that Rinoa does NOT become ultimecia because of Squall

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The R=U theory is more popular in Japan largely because the localization heavily altered much of Ultimecia’s dialogue, removing many potential “hints.” In the original Japanese version, Rinoa and Ultimecia echo each other’s words far more frequently.

Here's an example:
Rinoa: リノア「…やさしくない。やさしくない!」
Edea (Ultimecia): イデア「現実は優しくない。現実はまったく優しくない」

One possible translation that conveys the original intent could be:
Rinoa: "...That's not kind. Not kind at all!"
Edea (Ultimecia): "Reality is not kind. Reality is not kind at all."

Instead, the official localization went with this:
Rinoa: "...You're mean. MEANY!!!"
Edea (Ultimecia): "This is reality. No one can help you. Sit back and enjoy the show."

There are more than just those in the original Japanese script.

>>746077075
Ultimecia was a sorceress from birth or early childhood, and was endlessly harassed for it due to her own future deeds being a historical record. Rinoa didn't become a sorceress until she was 17, and she had close friends to support her. Even the president of Esthar was cool with her. She got arrested one time, but probably would have been pardoned anyway thanks to said president even if her friends and lover didn't save her. Ultimecia never had anyone like that. That's the point. Rinoa COULD have been Ultimecia if she grew up in the same environment. But they're different people. Plus, nothing in the game suggests sorceresses can live for hundreds of years anyway.

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>>746077263
By the way, in the FF Moebius gatcha game, Nojima attributed Ultimecia's dying words there as if it was something related to Rinoa.

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AVRIL = LURIA

>>746077263
This again just shows that they're narrative foils. It's like Aang saying "I have to regain my honor."

>>746072683
what an incoherent clusterfuck VIII's story was

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>>746077389
You keep bringing up Moebius, I'll keep bringing up Opera Omnia.

>>746077350
>Ultimecia was a sorceress from birth or early childhood, and was endlessly harassed for it due to her own future deeds being a historical record.
That's nowhere in the game.

Is VIII story any good? taking appart the ultimecia Rinoa thing. It's my next FF to play.

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>>746077473
One was written by Nojima himself, the other wasn't, and even then that's a bad case of localization. In the original Japanese she doesn't say she was born an evil sorceress.

>>746077542
I like it but it feels a bit unfinished. There's also a lot of important story stuff that can be missed. If you play it make sure you send Rinoa with Squall whenever the party splits up

>>746077542
It's a mess. It starts out fine, but starts feeling more and more rushed pretty much the second Disc 2 starts. It has some truly great setpieces, but the way the game corrals you towards them is incredibly sloppy.

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>>746077350
>Plus, nothing in the game suggests sorceresses can live for hundreds of years anyway.
Nojima addressed this decades ago. Rinoa doesn’t need to live for centuries because Time Compression can make her both immortal and stripped of her memories. That’s essentially what the prologue shows us, a version of her lost within Time Compression.

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It's not true, but it should be.

>>746077473
Man, I liked DFFOO for a year or so.

>>746077743
So Rinoa used Time Compression to go to the future, so that she could go back to the past, so she could gain the ability to use Time Compression.

Yeah, that actually is the sort of bullshit that could be canon to FFVIII with its caliber of writing.

>>746077798
That's my read on it too. At best it's accidental overlap that enhances the story on a meta-level. The intent is too subtle for a video game.

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>>746077881
>So Rinoa used Time Compression to go to the future
It’s never explained how that version of the character ended up there, and the whole “ring” dilemma only makes things more confusing, especially for Japanese fans.

Basically, it’s thought that there are two different versions of Rinoa in the game: one with a single ring on her necklace, seen in the prologue and ending cinematic, and another who eventually wears two rings on her necklace and travels with us throughout the game.

>>746075525
>half of the original story missing
Could you elaborate?

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>>746072683
/vr/ autists proved Q=U 10 years ago by looking at the game's code and character models.

>>746073209
It annoys me that people go to the effort to make cool shit like this, but then specifically dont make it desktop wallpaper sized.

>>746078046
I legit got mad enough to look at the game codes, both the remaster and the original PS game, and the demo version with the debug menu.

I believed even more in the R=U theory.

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>16 Final Fantasies
>Dragoon's only gimmick is jumping and hitting you with a spear as he falls down
What other abilities can it even have? Because the only other thing it has is Lancet, which always sucks balls.

>>746075525
>junction was an easily abusable mess
As opposed to every other FF game's easily abusable mess?
Also mods exist that rebalance Junction to make it make more sense, or to make the game harder if thats what you want
>scaling that makes you want to avoid leveling up, in a jrpg
If I want to spend 100 hours grinding a number to go higher so I can pass a DEF check on a boss I'll play 11.
>amnesia subplot so bad there exists a mod that changes the story to remove it
Oh wow, a Final Fantasy game has plotholes and a retarded story? Say it isnt so! (they all have this problem)
>half of the original story missing
Yeah the only true line of your post. 8's main issue was it was rushed for a deadline.
>great fan theory outright shut down by a dev for no reason
Some nip making up shit to protect their bad writing doesnt mean shit.

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In this part of the game, the creators show how each sorceress’s power is represented by a distinct color. Rinoa has a blue aura, Ultimecia a purple one, and there’s also a vivid, pure red aura that isn’t tied to either of them.

This isn’t just a throwaway section, it was important enough for the devs to revisit and rework for the remaster. In the original PC port, a bug caused the red aura to turn completely black, so when working on the remaster, they made sure to fix it, even though it might have seemed like a minor issue.

Trust me, this is going somewhere... so follow my autism for a second.

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>>746078163
Freya was a good evolution. Unfortunately the class just can't get away from Kain. And hey, I like Kain, but he worked in FF4 because he was the only straight damage-dealer in your party. It's fine that "Use Spear" and "Use Spear Harder" were his only abilities when everyone else was busy picking Edge off the fucking ground. But it's boring when you can build your party yourself.

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>>746072683
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>>746078283
Let’s say, for a moment, that Hyne’s aura is a vivid, pure red.

Mixing Hyne’s red aura with Rinoa’s blue aura would give you purple.

Coincidentally, during the final boss battle, when the last form appears and as it’s dying, its body is surrounded by a red aura. As it is defeated, the red aura shifts to a purplish hue, and finally to blue, as blue lights burst upward from its body.

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>>746078471
Similarly, when the last form first appears, it is surrounded by black feathers that fall all around the screen.

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>>746078534
But once defeated, amid the blue and then blinding white light show, white feathers burst from its body and drift gracefully across the screen.

>>746078471
I gotta admit, I'm with your train of thought on some of these things, but this is a LOT of logical leaps to make, purely on the basis that one version of the game didn't have a visual bug that one other version did.

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>>746078598
Sure, i agree that the red hue is a bit of a leap, because isn't a proper identification, but they do show that blue = Rinoa and purple = Ultimecia. You can even check these in the game files.

I always just assumed Ultimecia was descended from Squall and Rinoa.

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Reminder that the coolest and most interesting class in the series is Blue Mage.

I know that R=U fags are really adamant that the stuff they post makes it really obvious but to me it just makes the theory worse.
There's no reason that Rinoa would lose her memories of fighting Ultimecia, and eventually become her.
She's a Sorceress, she doesn't need to Junction GFs and won't suffer from the amnesia.
>but in game she still does
Ludonarrative dissonance: they wouldn't create an entirely new stat system just for Rinoa that only gets applied after a certain point in the game.
What could possibly happen after the events of the game that would lead to her becoming the enemy of the world? Who would ever fight against her and her friends?
It relies upon too many hypotheticals, and just makes no sense at all.

>>746078907
I'm really not a fan of the "play with a guide in your lap or don't even bother" characters. Blue Mage, Chemist, Gau, etc. I have a lot more fun if I pretend they just don't exist.

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>>746078283
>>746078598
In that scene, Ultimecia is controlling Rinoa’s body and mind, while Laguna’s plan involves Ellone sending both Rinoa’s and Ultimecia’s consciousnesses to the past so they can possess the body and mind of a younger Adel. This essentially gives Ultimecia what she wants, allowing her to cast Time Compression, which the others plan to use as a way to reach her and defeat her.
So Ellone sends Rinoa and Ultimecia’s consciousnesses to the past—first the blue aura for Rinoa, then the purple aura for Ultimecia. Soon after, under Laguna’s direction, Ellone brings back only Rinoa’s consciousness, once again shown by the blue aura, clearly indicating that the blue aura represents Rinoa’s power.

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>>746078989
>There's no reason that Rinoa would lose her memories of fighting Ultimecia, and eventually become her.
>She's a Sorceress, she doesn't need to Junction GFs and won't suffer from the amnesia.
See >>746077743. Nojima literally wrote the why and how

>What could possibly happen after the events of the game that would lead to her becoming the enemy of the world? Who would ever fight against her and her friends?
That we don't know, but it is something clearly involving Time Compression. That whole prologue cinematic is key to understanding the game. Nojima and Nomura are adamant, that cinematics should represent what is in the game, and not just random stuffs. See every Kingdom Hearts cinematic, for example.

>>746079091
>See >>746077743. Nojima literally wrote the why and how
That doesn't say anything about Ultimecia, it's about Rinoa during Time Compression.
If the idea is that Ultimecia is a Rinoa whose memories were lost during Time Compression (while fighting Ultimecia), who then waited for Squall but he never showed up for some reason, and then she somehow ends up in a time before Ultimecia's rise in order to become her, it's legitimately too convoluted and yet again makes no sense.
Why does (this) Rinoa not meet Squall in Time Compression? Why does (this) Rinoa not get a happy ending?
That's what I mean about the hypotheticals.

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>>746079009
So in the game and in the Ultimania pages written by Nojima, you pretty much have Rinoa naming the tracks of the game when you fight Griever various forms during the last boss battle.

This is just an excuse so i can post these covers of the songs:
https://youtu.be/Q0_oUGnGL6I
https://youtu.be/SkOvIHtmN6U

>>746072683
They're not, "brah".

>>746078163
Mate, most FF jobs were one/two trick pony because historically FF were simple games.
Ninja - Dual Wield / Throw Weapon
Knight - Beefed up Freelancer / Cover
Monk - !Kick / Chakra
Summoner/Evoker - beefed up Black Mage with pretty animations
Samurai - Throw Gil
Dark Knight - sacrifice HP for AoE or damage buff

>>746072683
I was 15 when this game came out and finished it. Even i figured this out on my own back then, are people just fucking art illiterate and stupid now?

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>>746079229
>and then she somehow ends up in a time before Ultimecia's rise in order to become her
You're assuming a scenario where Ultimecia rose to power before Time Compression. Maybe she always already was.

>Why does (this) Rinoa not meet Squall in Time Compression? Why does (this) Rinoa not get a happy ending?
Who knows, she at least got to send her feather, and we all know what happened to it, right?

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You know a theory is shit when people keep trying to source out of game materials as "proof".
Perhaps there was a time they debated doing it, but they didn't in the end.
They have no connection beyond both being sorceress' and every bit of in game "proof" to the contrary I've seen has been twisting words or blatantly wrong information.

>>746079427
>You're assuming a scenario where Ultimecia rose to power before Time Compression. Maybe she always already was.
Because that's the only way it makes sense.
If Ultimecia is created during Time Compression, then she would still end up back in time to before Time Compression is actually cast in order to cast it because that's what we see happen.
Ultimecia uses Time Compression (during) the game, it's not active the entire time.

>>746072934
You can say the same for all of the FF games except for the really straight forward ones like 1,2, and 3. 4 and onwards you can tell they kinda just pulled shit out of their ass here and there.

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>>746079427
And right after Squall finds the feather while lost in Time Compression, we see Rinoa flicker out of existence, a Rinoa wearing a necklace with a single ring, something you can spot by slowing the framerate. Then comes that surreal sequence where multiple versions of her replay the same moment again and again, until she finally vanishes.

So who ends up finding Squall in the Time Compression? It’s another Rinoa, and we can tell she’s different because the scene zooms in on her chest, showing that this version has two rings hanging from her necklace. This is the Rinoa who was part of our party.

>>746077542
Unironically, let FATLUS remake FF8 Persona style and it would make sense.

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>>746079559
>Ultimecia uses Time Compression (during) the game, it's not active the entire time.
What we see is her consciousness possessing other people's body throughout the game, we only get to see her after Time Compress is cast.

>>746079610
>Then comes that surreal sequence where multiple versions of her replay the same moment again and again, until she finally vanishes.
That's representative of Squall's fading memories.

>>746079610
For as much as you obsess over the different rings, do you have any explanation for why it's inconsistent that's more logical than "minor continuity error?"

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>>746079674
>That's representative of Squall's fading memories.
Or the many loops Rinoa from the prologue had to endure.

>>746079672
>What we see is her consciousness possessing other people's body
Via a machine that exists in the future.
She was there, physically in the future using Odine's machine. We are told this directly.
My point remains.

>>746079712
Well, one of those possibilities is something that was explicitly stated to be a potential danger of getting lost in the compressed time, so I wonder which is more plausible.

>>746072683
Already debunked, retarded fan theory will remain retarded

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>>746079709
>do you have any explanation for why it's inconsistent that's more logical than "minor continuity error?"
I just shared my personal interpretation of that "inconsistency." What I question is why that the different models in several cinematics are a sign of a continuity error rather than something intentional, especially in a game that’s meticulous about small details?

Take for the example the whole aura thing, here's the game hammering down that Ultimecia is represented by purple aura in not only one, but several moments.

>>746078020
in the brainstorm stages of FF8 Laguna's part was meant to be much bigger but constraints meant they had to cut back on his side.

>>746079747
>>746079672
>after Time Compress is cast.
You even acknowledge that there is an "after Time Compression is cast" which means there must be a "before Time Compression is cast" in which Ultimecia is active and doing things.
My point remains.
Sorry for the double reply, I forgot to add this bit.

that one island called "heaven and hell" was insane

>>746076487
bad translations have fucked up the story of almost every FF. The hooded-figures in FF7 being clones and Tidus being a dream come to mind, small wording choices that bamboozle the player

>>746079931
you're thinking of 2 islands. "The island closest to hell" and "the island closest to heaven" at the topmost and bottommost of the map with the strongest mobs in the game at max level as encounters.

>>746079983
oh right

How do i get lionheart weapon in disc1

For once i want to be OP

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>>746072683
>>746074370
>>746075232
>>746076487
I don't understand why fans don't just make their own stories with this "they're the same person" concept. Sure, it's been done lots of times, so add your own spin to it.

Make your own Final Fantasy-ish story. Movies, books, video games. It's more productive than holding onto an interesting fan theory for a story that wrapped up decades ago.

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>>746079791
>Well, one of those possibilities is something that was explicitly stated to be a potential danger of getting lost in the compressed time
You're doing the headcanon that the looping sequence is meant to be visual representation of Squall's losing his memories.
>>746079747
>>746079882
I admit I’m not sure how the Rinoa from the prologue could be present before Time Compression was cast, but we do see her wandering through the “Commencement Room” in the prologue cinematic. We even see she reliving moments from the game past. Plus, there’s the Ultimania page Nojima wrote, which explains in text what was happening to that version of the character.

>>746072683
Same person or not I'd shag em both

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>>746080008
card games

>>746080013
>I don't understand why fans don't just make their own stories with this "they're the same person" concept. Sure, it's been done lots of times, so add your own spin to it.
That's exactly what those french did.

>>746078163
Freya could stay in the air longer and rain down spears
FFXIV DRG can do loads of shit like throw dragon beams and smack you with a giant dragon spirit for LB3
Never played XI, but wasn't the gimmick there that you got a pet baby dragon or some shit?

>>746080015
You keep saying things like "Rinoa from the prologue" as if it actually means something, when nobody has any reason to assume that the prologue aside from Squall and Seifer's duel isn't just a glorified trailer. I don't take Nojima's vagueposting about how "the prologue totally means something bro, I just won't tell you what" any more seriously than Nomura's or Toriyama's incoherent ramblings about their own games and I don't see why anyone should.

Even with the story being a disjointed mess in cd 4 ff8 will be my absolute favorite
At the time for me it elevated what ff7 did
>normal sized characters
>the world
>look and feel
Its even a more action-esque combat (R1 for crit)
Also as an autistic teenager i reenacted the summon stance squall does so many times irl lol

>>746079672
By the way, during the trippy sequence with the looping Rinoas, we see several scenes featuring Rinoa and even Seifer that Squall wouldn’t have seen during the game, either because he wasn’t present or because they’re unique to the ending cinematic.

>>746080015
>Plus, there’s the Ultimania page Nojima wrote, which explains in text what was happening to that version of the character.
My position is that that Rinoa is the party's Rinoa, the fact that the Ultimania text ispecifies the "lion ring" means she should have two rings in that prologue sequence because Rinoa always had her necklace ring before she got the lion ring.
Why are there two CGI cutscene Rinoa sporting different numbers of necklace rings? Legitimately I don't know, it doesn't make any sense for that to be some kind of hint that they're two different Rinoa's.
The Ultimania page says "lion ring", but the single ring CGI Rinoa's necklace bears her original ring not the lion ring.
Ulimania prologue text Rinoa is party Rinoa, not some vague hypothetical Ulti-Rinoa.

so is the cd 4 stuff time traveling orwhat

>>746080327
Yes, but technically no.

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Here is the truth.
It was heavily considered as an idea in early parts of story drafts, but they ultimately decided against it. The skeleton of that R=U draft remained since it didn't explicitly confirm anything and didn't need changing. Some people on the team really liked the idea and put/kept in little hints and nods to it. The support in side games is a nod to the popularity of the theory among fans.

It's also possible in this early draft that Quistis was originally intended to play Rinoa's part in the game and later Rinoa as we know her was designed and Quistis was made into a seperate character. This would explain why Ultimecia has her hairstyle rather than Rinoa's.

>>746080327
If all of time and space is compressed into one "present", is it time travel?
Yes, yes it is.

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>>746080190
>You keep saying things like "Rinoa from the prologue" as if it actually means something, when nobody has any reason to assume that the prologue aside from Squall and Seifer's duel isn't just a glorified trailer.
Because it isn’t, to the point where Nojima felt compelled to write an entire page explaining what was happening internally with Rinoa during the prologue cinematic. If it were just a glorified trailer, why go so far as to write a page detailing events from one of the character’s perspectives?

You guys keep attributing things to continuity error, or random nonsense when faced with something you guys can't explain away. This in a game where every small detail has a reason for it.

Are you guys even engaging with the game?

>>746080327
It's supposed to be condensing all of history into a single point, where Ultimecia can rule in absolute solitude. The party can interact with it because of Ellone, Rinoa, and... positive thinking or something.

Why is that woman a sith

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>>746072683

>>746073081
harvey dent, can we trust him?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nl0bwDNVPw

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>>746080307
>My position is that that Rinoa is the party's Rinoa, the fact that the Ultimania text ispecifies the "lion ring" means she should have two rings in that prologue sequence because Rinoa always had her necklace ring before she got the lion ring.
But she doesn't. The prologue cinematic unironically focus on her chest and we can see a single ring on it.
It might have easily happened after the game’s ending or something, when she returned Squall’s ring just as she had promised.
The game is constantly focusing on Rinoa's chest during the cinematics, to showcase the necklace. Not just once or twice. Do you think that was at for shit and giggles?

>>746079229
Because that was her punishment for playing god and thinking she could control time itself. You gain total power but your heart's desire never required it in the first place. The missing tile syndrome goes into overdrive so you begin to make poorly thought out decisions that only accumulate negative consequences while your heart's desire still remains outside your reach. This sunk cost fallacy keeps going until you experience a moment of clarity and realise how your initial desire was animalistic and petty in its nature and didn't require total power to achieve it in the first place. But it's too late. You caused too much suffering and now your former friends and allies have come to put you down like the rabid animal you are.

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>>746080575
Unironically, the first thing we see when the "normal" Rinoa show ups in the end, to differentiate her from the one from the trippy sequence, is a closed up shot not of her face, but her chest, and the rings on her necklace.

>>746080575
>But she doesn't. The prologue cinematic unironically focus on her chest and we can see a single ring on it.
She HAS to have two rings if it takes place during Time Compression, you can's just suddenly say it happens after the game's ending.
You're changing your argument here, anon.
It's an inconsistency that Nojima wants you to ignore, that's it.
It has to be that, none of your arguments otherwise make sense to me.

>>746077263
>Rinoa: "...You're mean. MEANY!!!"
lol is this for real? why are translators so fucking horrible

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>>746080636
Better image.

Seriously, am I supposed to believe this wasn’t done on purpose? That it’s just one big continuity error running through several cinematics, something that was time-consuming and ridiculously expensive back in the day?

>>746080425
He wrote a page that narrated out "a girl is waiting for someone." The notion that she's even an alternate version of Rinoa that exists solely within that prologue is something you've inferred on your own. And when asked how any of that makes sense, you always fall back on "I don't know, but..." and build on your theories as if you'd successfully proven the basis of your hypothesis already.

I choose to believe it's real because it's the only way the story and themes make any sense.

>>746078194
Shut the fuck up, boot licking bitch.

>>746080759
It's the exact opposite for me, the story only makes sense if R=U isn't true.

Its amazing theres people still who dont think R=U when the game constantly keeps hinting at it

>it can't be an inconsistency in a game that we know for a fact was unfinished and rushed
Bro, c'mon.

>>746080697
maybe the horny japs just wanted to show her boobs

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>>746080675
>It's an inconsistency that Nojima wants you to ignore, that's it.
There is no inconsistency.

>>746080726
>He wrote a page that narrated out "a girl is waiting for someone." The notion that she's even an alternate version of Rinoa that exists solely within that prologue is something you've inferred on your own.
Did the page end with her meeting that someone? No, it ended with her opening her palm and sending a white feather into the rift in time, connecting the prologue to the ending cinematic.

After the feather lands on Squall's gloved hand, he sees a version of Rinoa forming in front of him, once again with a single ring on her necklace, and then the trippy sequence begins.

Nojima even references this sequence of events in the FF Moebius gacha event. That’s how Ultimecia makes her entrance in the game, a black feather appears, and right after, she materializes in front of the characters, mirroring the same movements and details, first showing her back before turning with a smile. See >>746079427

>>746080627
Anon, please. Think about what you're saying for one second. You're making it sound like one version of Rinoa got fucked over during Time Compression purely due to karma for something she hadn't done, so she became Ultimecia after being separated from her friends, which happened as punishment for being Ultimecia. This is the problem with coming to a conclusion and then working backwards to find evidence of that conclusion while shutting out everything else. You end up connecting things with twisted, illogical moon intelligence.

>>746080943
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>>746080926
>Bro, c'mon.
The game is perfect as it is. There's no inconsistency. Everything loops back on itself. Every detail, no matter how small is significant.

Take for example this sequence of events. This is another place where the localizers fucked up. Nida uses a phrase that revolves around the verb "動かす" (ugokasu), which translates to "moving" something.

In Japanese, ugokasu carries an inherent double meaning. Metaphorically, it means to manage, direct, or run an organization (acting as the driving force or the boss). Literally, it means to physically operate or pilot a machine. Nida is proudly stating that he will become the man who "moves" the Garden. In his mind, he is declaring his ambition to eventually replace Cid as Headmaster, but the script is winking at the player because he is destined to literally pilot the building once it is able to take flight in the second Disc 2.

The official English localization instead went with:
>"(I'll be the ruler of this Garden someday!)"
To localize this in a way that feels completely natural to an English speaker while perfectly preserving the writer's intent, i'd go with something like:

>"(I'll be at the helm of this Garden someday!)"
>"(I'm going to be the one steering this Garden someday!)"
>"(I'll be the one running this Garden someday!)"
I personally like the first one best, since "At the helm" is a widely used English idiom for being the leader or director of an institution. However, it is fundamentally a nautical term for standing at the steering wheel of a ship.

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>>746073120
Am I crazy or have her recent iterations given her bigger boobs?

>>746080951
I did. All of it makes sense if you consider the fact that Rinoa is a teenage girl who had a teenager moment while handling god-like powers. Teenagers aren't exactly known for making sound and well thought-out decisions. Her father made the right call for locking her up in her room.

>>746080943
>There is no inconsistency.
You keep saying this to me, but you haven't actually refuted what I'm saying.
This whole time you've been insistent that the Ultimania prologue text features a Rinoa during Time Compression, who become Ultimecia after not meeting Squall (for some reason), but the Ultimania prologue text specifies that Rinoa has the "lion ring" which is a ring she puts on her necklace IN ADDITION to the ring she already had.
Please explain to me how I'm meant to believe Ultimania prologue Rinoa isn't the party's Rinoa under these parameters.
Now, just recently you've changed your tune to saying "it might easily happened after the game's ending or something...", but this begs the question of "If Rinoa is out of Time Compression and could give the ring back to Squall, how does she become Ultimecia all of a sudden?"
It doesn't make any sense.
Please explain it to me.

>>746080986
If you have a Rinoa lost in Time Compression, unsure if she was there for an instant or forever, unable to recall her past, and unable to meet Squall, and then another Rinoa running around searching for Squall and able to meet him, it’s possible these are two different Rinoas. Adding to that, the differing number of rings each version is shown wearing, which stays consistent through several cinematics, makes the idea even more plausible.

Your only explanation for all that is it must be some continuity error or lazy model fuck up.

>>746081160
>If you have a Rinoa lost in Time Compression, unsure if she was there for an instant or forever, unable to recall her past, and unable to meet Squall, and then another Rinoa running around searching for Squall and able to meet him, it’s possible these are two different Rinoas
This is all speculation and hypothetical.
Nowhere in any text is there said to be two different Rinoas.
Not a single time.

>>746081159
Please explain to me how I'm meant to believe Ultimania prologue Rinoa isn't the party's Rinoa under these parameters.
For the simple fact she wasn't the one to find Squall.
Not to mention the cinematics making a distinction between Rinoa with 1 ring, and Rinoa with two rings.

Rinoa has such a pretty design yet her personality is such ass that it's impossible to like her. I will never forgive Square for this.

Maybe she's more bearable in the original Japanese version.

>>746081307
>For the simple fact she wasn't the one to find Squall.
You don't know that, the scene never says she doesn't find him.
It says she waits for him as he wanders, not "she never finds him but another version of her does".
>Not to mention the cinematics making a distinction between Rinoa with 1 ring, and Rinoa with two rings.
The CGI Rinoa with only one ring only has her original ring, not the lion ring.
The Ultimania prologue specifies it's the "lion ring", not her normal original ring, and yet the CGI Rinoa with only one ring has the original ring?
Isn't that a literal inconsistency if they're meant to be the same?

>>746081359
She is more girly and cutesy, having this thing where she mixes English with Japanese, and repeat certain catchphrases.

>>746081051
Another example of 90s piss poor localisation practices screwing over the end product.

>>746081405
>The Ultimania prologue specifies it's the "lion ring", not her normal original ring, and yet the CGI Rinoa with only one ring has the original ring?
You don't know if the model with one ring is carrying her previous plain ring, or a single lion ring.

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>>746081062
her whole look in general is kind of sluttified in most recent appearences. They made her more womanly.

>>746081453
The two rings are visually different, anon.
And if single ring CGI Rinoa is meant to have only the lion ring, where the fuck is her original ring? That original ring is something she has long before she even meets Squall and should be on her necklace no matter what.
It's an inconsistency.

>>746081513
Who knows, she kept somewhere because now she had Squall's ring, something that became important to her because she kept mentioning over and over she wants to be like a lion.
Look, i don't have all the answers, i just believe they wouldn't make such a big error, or place so much focus on the chest/necklace for nothing.

>>746081508
She's slowly becoming Ultimecia with each new spin-off game.

>>746081568
>Who knows, she kept somewhere because now she had Squall's ring, something that became important to her because she kept mentioning over and over she wants to be like a lion.
This just loops back to my original post, it's all predicated on hypotheticals and "what ifs", there is no substantial evidence.
I'm fully capable of believing they simply used her model from the post credits where she only has the one original ring for the intro scene.

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>>746072861
>asian
You mean White Brazilian/White American

>>746081670
The issue with that, is that they use both models in several scenes.

>>746081685
Exactly.
They're game developers who were rushed and incapable of putting out the complete game that they wanted, such an oversight is completely understandable.

>>746072683
Cappricola was Jhon

>>746081671
I thought Rinoa was modeled after a coworker?

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>>746081508
I fucking hate her Dissidia design, she looks like Michael Jackson and has no neck. Her look in pic related is better, it's more in keeping with her FF8 face.

>>746081670
>I'm fully capable of believing they simply used her model from the post credits where she only has the one original ring for the intro scene.
Lets say they made the opening cinematic before they decided to give the character two rings for her necklace, so at that point they only had the model with a single ring on it. That could be an easy explanation for the incosistency.
But in the ending cinematic they show both the model with two rings, and the model with a single ring for the trippy sequence, all within the same ending cinematic.

>>746081414
Is she still annoyingly into Seifer before immediately switching into being obsessed with Squall out of nowhere the second Seifer dies?

>>746081736
>such an oversight is completely understandable
No it isn't, because what happened is that they cut content made, not that they were unable to finish things.

>>746081807
They use single ring Rinoa for the trippy sequence because at the time of those scenes Rinoa literally only had one ring.

>>746081830
Depends, because you she is still into Seifer right before the assassination attempt, and there are even cut content where she tries to make Squall jealous about her previous relationship with Seifer.

>>746081864
What "At those times"? It is the ending cinematic, the same one where they use the model with two rings. They use both models for the same cinematic.

>>746081904
I understand that the localization in 8 (and 9) was completely fucked and made a lot of retarded changes, so I feel cheated knowing that there's a version of FF8 where the love story between her and Squall was potentially not shit.

I should be sleeping right now, and here i am discussing the number of rings on a bitch's neck.

>>746081768
No, this actress.
>>746080482

>>746081840
That's not how game dev works, cut content has to be bandaged and built around, they literally would've been unable to "finish" the content as it was originally.

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I think it's strange how Squall wanted nothing to do with Rinoa, til she get her witch powers.

>>746081772
Ayy lmao

>>746081932
Dawg the trippy scene is a mix of a bunch of previous scenes throughout the game.
>Rinoa in a dress at Garden to meet Cid but decides to flirt with Squall
Has one ring, because she literally only had one ring at the time.
>Rinoa in space
Has two rings, because she literally had two rings at the time.
It's Squall's memories getting messes up, anon. Why do you think the spider tank boss shows up? Rinoa was never there for that.

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>>746082000
That's localisation failure

>>746082000
Easily explained by a terminal case of being a cake boy.

>>746082000
Squall had a thing for her almost the whole time, autism-kun.
You never wondered why he was so jealous about Seifer?

>>746082045
>Dawg the trippy scene is a mix of a bunch of previous scenes throughout the game.
The model that appears in front of Squall, aside from the trippy loop of the dances, is wearing a single ring. That isn't a repeat of previous scenes. It is a new scene with the 1 ring model.

>>746082112
That's just literally not true dude, it's quite obviously a mix up of his memories.
Explain the spider tank.
Do it, I know you can't.

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>>746082000
As >>746082083 said the poor teenager was smitten. He was just so locked up and in stoic loner larp mode after his trauma with Ellone he didn't realize it until he lost her.

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posting it again because you absolute fucking retarded faggots make the rest of us look bad

I like how Ellone just had crazy broken powers because ??? and that Laguna cared more about her than he did about his own son
>I forget if he didn't know about Squall's existence when he was a baby
He knew later on and didn't do shit

>>746082408
He was busy being President by that time, same reason he missed out on Raine's death.

I like how Squall was so infatuated with Ellone but then barely gave a shit when she came back

>>746072861
The entire isekai genre revolves around that.

>>746082336
Something something Ultimecia forgot all about her life as Rinoa because Time Compression or something something.
>what about Edea and Adel
Uhhhhhh I got nothing.

I've been curious for a while how many lindsay clancy astro fujo dipshit shipper women are in these threads and/or primarily responsible for the hamfisted dipshit fan theories.

and i post that because
>noooooo i straight reading is no fun :((
is only something women do, since they lack agency, lack a concept of honor, lack a coherent model of the real world

>>746082336
>>746082501
The actual refutation to anon's point about Edea and Adel is that Ultimecia doesn't gain the knowledge of the people she possesses via Odine's machine.
This is demonstrated by her not knowing what Garden and SEED are, and having Seifer torture Squall to ask get him to spill the beans.
Simple as, anon.

>>746082583
im not asking for gaywad retarded 2deep4u fan theories, cockbreath
take the story as presented. where the crystal castle browsing fake fans come up with hole fillers is the opposite of the truth

get over it
go kill some kids or something

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I'm issuing a Level 1 Autism Alert for all individuals involved in this thread.

>>746072683
I see:
1 Hooker I have to pay $300 for
And another I will pay $100 for 10 years later. I'll bargain down to $80 tho, no tip.

>>746072683
ultimecia owes me sex

>>746076493
Laguna is actually Seifer after he got sent back in time, it's why they have the same gunblade stance

>>746072934
>but the reality is they didn't know what the fuck they were doing with the plot.
Ultimecia wanted to rule over everything. So she transmitted her power (and consciousness) into the past to take over other sorceresses to compress all time together into one big event that she could then rule over, making the past, present, and future into one.

>>746078163
FFTA gives them elemental breath and extra damage/control against dragons.

>>746082321
What you posted was after she got her powers though.

>>746082336
He's literally wrong in the first sentence.

>fan theory

>>746083528
I gotta give at least some tactic type game a go. I don't know why I shied away from them before, I thought I would miss collectibles I think and I went through a period when I HAD to 100% a game like 15 years ago. I was big into JRPGS and they were always piss easy when you followed the 100% guides.
I think I would like that type of game very much now and not read anything before going on.

Your call Anons: Hit me with some good beginner level tactics games, or good games in general. I promise I won't read up on shit and learn on my own. Sink or swim.

>>746084234
FFT, FFTA, and FFTA2 are all really good tactics games.
FFT is more serious than the other two, FFTA is an isekai story, and FFTA2 is also an isekai, but very heavily tied in to FFXII. All the versions of FFT are good, including the remake, which actually has effort put into its voice acting, like the Live-A-Live remake (Go play Live-A-Live too, it's also excellent).

You can't go wrong with any of them, really.

>>746084234
FFT and FFT Advance 1 and 2. Xcom Enemy Within -> Xcom 2 -> Xcom 2 War Of The Chosen expansion. Mewgenics.

Vandal Hearts on PS1 is very barebones if FFT already overwhelms you. Same concept but less factors.

>>746084725
>>746084856
I've got both XComs on Steam and Switch (on super sales), the others I'd have to buy/DL. I'll start there. And I love the alien setting too so probably a good start.
Thanks Anons!

>>746084856
>FFT Advance 1 and 2.
I'm gonna be a whiny pedantic bitch here for a second. It's not Tactics Advance 2, it's Tactics A2. Tactics Advance was called that because it was released on the Game Boy Advance. Tactics A2 was released on the DS. The full title is "Final Fantasy Tactics A2: Grimoire of the Rift".

People get this shit wrong all the time and it annoys the everliving FUCK out of me.

>>746085328
OK, OP asker here:
Is FFT:Advance the same as FFT and FFTA2 and or 3 diff games? Understood about the FFXII tie in blah blah.
Also is Ogre Battle or those games easier to get into than XCom or FFT/A? I'm still starting with XCom because I have it, but honest question.

>>746085457
I also got those Mario: Rabbid games that are aparently XCom super lite, maybe I'll start there. Again, I got them both and all DLC for like $20CAD on some sale

>>746078194
>they all have this problem
People don't give Tifa enough shit for not talking about Cloud's past.

>>746080482
That blonde is gorgeous.

>>746085457
>Is FFT:Advance the same as FFT and FFTA2 and or 3 diff games?
They are three different games. FFTA2 is the general sequel to FFTA, but FFT takes place far in the future of the Ivalice games, including FFTA and FFTA2. It's a bit cyclical due to the plots but explaining more is both spoilery and unnecessarily confusing.

>>746085512
>I also got those Mario: Rabbid games that are aparently XCom super lite, maybe I'll start there.
Yes, they are. It's remarkable how similar they are to XCOM. The chief difference is (aside from Mario and Rabbids/Rayman characters) the XCOM mechanics are simplified to 100%/50%/0% chances to hit, depending on the level of cover you have.

>>746081772
>Her look in pic related is better, it's more in keeping with her FF8 face.
You're delusional, she looks even worse than the dissidia one (which is bad too).

>>746085729
Baller, thanks bro. I'll check out the Rabbid games first when I'm winding down tomorrow eve

>>746081772
That's just Tifa with less bust.

>Then go talk to the wall
What the fuck was his problem?

>>746075907
A parallel is still a parallel. The mirroring was very obviously deliberate, since FF8’s plot is filled with parallels/mirrors (Squall and Rinoa reflecting Laguna and Julia, Seifer being a direct contrast to Squall etc.). R=U is a product of people too dumb to understand the concept of parallels and symbolism.

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>>746084234
>Hit me with some good beginner level tactics games
Unicorn Overlord.
Play on the highest difficulty. It's still easy. Fantastic game and you will have a good time. There is a demo if you are unsure, it's ten hours long and you can keep your progress.

>>746086271
My N Word. I DO have this game on Switch.
https://streamable.com/5ujaox

>>746086390
>My N Word
You can write NIGGER here, zoomer-kun. Nothing bad will happen if you write NIGGER. Stop being a scaredy sissy FAGGOT.

Are there any other games similar to ff8 with it's dreamlike cozy atmosphere, likeable characters, occasional weird shit out of nowhere, dark and tragic underlayer, all this kind of stuff? I swear, the only game I know that came close to this was towelket 1, not even other final fantasies.
Ofc I mean jrpg/rpg.

>>746087297
Persona 4

>>746087297
FF 6, 7, 9, and 10 (the old ones are good too but not as dark/tragic or weird)
All of Kingdom Hearts Collection but 1 will always be my favourite and everyone loves 2 the most.
Mother 1, Earthbound and Mother 3. They play like Dragon Quest clones so dont expect much gameplay wise no one talks about it because that.
Popolocrois Monogatari 1 and 2 underrated just got fan translations
Linda3 Again another weird translation game.
Chrono Trigger is a lot lighter but you should play it then play Chrono Cross (Just dont expect it to be like Trigger at all. It's the most cozy/tragic shit with amazing music)
Xenogears but the combat kinda becomes a slog but if you get into the story it doesnt matter.
Baten Kaitos 1 and 2 are underrated too
Terranigma
Nier Replicant/Automata

>>746087297
>Are there any other games similar to ff8 with it's dreamlike cozy atmosphere
>the only game I know that came close to this was towelket 1
I know exactly what you mean.
>>746087351
Not this.
>>746087851
>Chrono Cross
This, but you do need to play Trigger first.
>Xenogears
This too, but anon is right it can get sloggish.

Can't vouch for the rest, although I did like Popolocrois. Chrono Cross is as close as you will get in the PSX era.

>>746087851
>>746088001
Not the anon that asked the question but I heard chrono cross got really bitter and felt like misery porn insulting you for caring about trigger, is this really the case or did that youtuber exaggerate

>>746088193
That's a retard who said that.
Cross is not a hate fest for Trigger fans, it's not even meant to be played as a proper "sequel" to begin with.

>>746077502
Just like R=U! Funny how that works

>>746077743
If Rinoa became immortal and lost her memories, then she’s effectively not Rinoa anymore. So, as expected, the reveal has no narrative weight, it’s a twist for the sake of a twist.

>>746088193
>did that youtuber
Never trust a youtuber, I can't believe I even have to mention this. The issue with Cross is that everyone incorrectly assumed it was a direct sequel when it was actually more like a pseudo alternate future sequel mixed with "game in the same multiverse" kind of thing. It's hard to explain without giving any spoilers.

But anyway, CC is very close to FF8 in the exact way you described and asked for.

>>746076663
What's the story with picrel

>>746072683
We've seen enough woman moments recently that I'm starting to believe this theory.

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>>746072683
The real theory is Rinoa == Squall.
>rings
>face
>seifer bromance
Its really a tranny story and squalls fading memories are him transitioning with the surgeon (edea) making the final cut after disc 1. The old self replaced with the new self. Time compression is merely explaining the Squall/Rinoas fading memory of their past life and becoming one with the new.

>>746072683
Seifer's used goods.

I’m convinced that any dislike towards VIII’s plot comes from the fact that VIII is written a lot more subtly (subtle by FF standards at least) than other FF games. Other FF games have as much subtlety as a Saturday morning cartoon, whereas VIII requires you to read into subtext more.

>They were the same bitch, brah.

FINNA BE DRIVE N IN BALAMB
ALL THE HOS FLY WITH MY GLOCK SENPAI
R1 ON THE HOLD WITH REZOKUKEN
I BE CASTIN DRAW U SAY "NOT AGAIN"

>>746082164
The same way the prologue explains the Squall and Seifer fight, Rinoa witnessed the past from the Commencement Room.

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>Be Ultimecia, Ultimate witch.
>travel back in time,
>Take possession of Edea,
>During Deling city Parade spot your younger self
>''fuckthatbitch''
>Render your younger self helpless be casting a spell on her
>cast another spell that turns Deling crowd into simps,
>litteral speech about putting girls under an evil spell and tossing them like meat in front of lions
>kill the only guy (president deling) who is on stage with you and is close enough to save your younger self
>Cast another spell that Turns two Gargoylelizard statues alive
>Have younger self be eaten by Gargoylelizard statues
FITHOS LUSEC WECOS MGNIFICUS RETARDICUS
>>746091269
>being intellectual about FF8 which is made of ff7s leftovers and whatever they couldnt fit into ff9

>>746091380
That can be explained away as Rinoa losing her memories of the past, as the the page Nojima wrote about the prologue showed can happen.

>>746090062
>The real theory is Rinoa == Squall.
based, rinoa has angel wings on the back of her clothes and squall has a lion ring
griefer parts angel winged lion is symbolical for squalls transition into a girl.

>>746091380
>more nonsense
let me explain it in a more simpler way since you seem have a standard deviation beneath somalian average IQ
ULTIMECIA TRIED TO KILL RINOA AND TOOK EXTRAORDINARY STEPS TO MAKE SURE SHE WOULD SUCCEED U ARE LOOKING TOO MUCH INTO IT.

>>746091697
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>>746091697
>The real theory is Rinoa == Squall.
based, rinoa has angel wings on the back of her clothes and squall has a lion ring
griefer parts angel winged lion is symbolical for squalls transition into a girl.
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>>746091782
Thats why we have that scene with squall carrying rinoa on his back for 20 minutes, the burden of carrying your true self in secret.

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>>746091697
>ULTIMECIA TRIED TO KILL RINOA AND TOOK EXTRAORDINARY STEPS TO MAKE SURE SHE WOULD SUCCEED U ARE LOOKING TOO MUCH INTO IT.
You literally have a page from Ultimania written by the scenario writer where he established two facts:

Rinoa can't remember who she is, where she is, and why she is there for.
Rinoa doesn't know if she has been there for an instant or an eternity.

That can, theoretically, explain how Rinoa can live so long and as well her actions in the past as Ultimecia.

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>>746091782
You're not wrong, even if you're being purposely obtuse about it. Rinoa did, in fact, wished to be more like a lion.

>>746082321
What did she eat and drink when he carried her around?
You think she peed her panties at least once?

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Reminder that in Japanese Rinoa and Ultimecia repeat the same words and phrases, obviously in different context but still. This doesn't happen, for example, with Edea once freed. Only Rinoa and Ultimecia. Same with the black and white feather motif.

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>>746091969
>he needs to pull FF brave envictus lore out of his ass and smear that shit on the walls of the internet's insane asylum.
at this point just make it a Final Fantasy 8 multiverse where every atom that exists in it is both rinoa and ultimecia at the same time and neither one can die.
this discussion is veering into time traveling Mary Sue territory which only proves that anything tangentially related to FF8 is devoid of the human experience(fantasy and sci-fi is cool but keep that shit relatable,raise the stakes but keep the scope small enough, a characters death should be permanent)

thanks for proving that FF8 is inferior to FF7.
>t: an IRL author.

>>746079597
>sneaking FF4 there
Remind me again how many fake out deaths it had, also Ridya coming back out of nowhere with a finished arc

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>>746092643
I jus added a page from the gatcha event written by Nojima to illustrate my point, but there is no real need for it since the game itself and the Ultimania can provide all the answers. What were Ultimecia's dying words, again? Something about the passage of time and losing...?

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>>746092892
>denser than a turdnugget caught between a morbidly obese mans asscheeks being compressed into a diamond.
theres a certain point where i (and so should you) just dont give a fuck anymore because the story has lost all meaning and relevant plot and is meandering into overbearing plots fillid with quasi-intellectual axioms that has subjects, contexts and subtexts that are too detached from the human experience to even fathom.

this is why marvel movies went down the shitter the moment it was about multiverses instead of peter parker the neighborhood kid saving mary lee from the green goblin. people can understand the power disparity between a teenager and some supervillain than kicked the teenagers puppy with the teenager bridging the power gap between him and the villain through sheer determination, discipline and wits. but the moment you need to bring in vague shit like prophecies foretold destinies and antimatter colliding with turdnuggets in just the right angle people will stop giving a fuck.

this entire thread is lost in the sauce.

>>746079640
kys

>>746080409
This is probably what happened, it answers to all. R≈U was scrapped plot but traces still remain

Has anyone else noticed that the plot of FFVIII is basically an early version of the plot of Kingdom Hearts? There’s a clear similarity between Squall and Rinoa’s relationship and Sora and Kairi’s, and with Union Cross introducing the Dandelions, it’s obvious that the Dandelions are SeeD, right down to using the same flower metaphor for their name.

>>746094842
This. There’s JUST enough there to imply that it was once a planned plot point. Why they changed it to be a parallel instead is anyone’s guess.

>>746095842
>Has anyone else noticed that the plot of FFVIII is basically an early version of the plot of Kingdom Hearts?
No, because KH is subhuman shit taste

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>>746077743
>Nojima addressed this decades ago.
These blurbs were credited to Benny Matsuyama.

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>be minding your own business in a corner
>look up and see this

What do /v/

>>746097127
Ask her if she likes to play cards

Sex with Rinoa and Ultimecia

>>746097127
Go balls deep and never pull out