>Literally one of THE big multiplayer horde shooters of gen 7>so popular people still played it over a decade after release>''lol just let it die at 2''i really dont get iti know Valve saw more money in making TF2 hats and CS skins but L4D as a series also had plenty of potential to milk paypigs yet this series died at the peak of its popularity
personally I prefer when franchises aren't milked to death but maybe that's just meL4D1 and 2 still work and are still fun
>>746096448It has a lot of custom content though.
How do you improve on perfection?
>>746096448Valve makes more than enough money to stay afloat and they don't answer to any public shareholders so they don't need to pump out game after game to maximize profits. They released two of the best zombie and co-op games every made and were presumably happy with it. L4D2 even has a ton more (free) content than it did at launch. What do you even want from L4D3? New maps? 3 new special infected to bloat up the roster even more?
>>746096896>more survivors>more cool locales (East Coast, Miami, the Rockies; that's not even getting into outside of the US)>wider variety in special infected models and different special infected mechanicsThere were lots of obvious ways to innovate upon the L4D formula further. It was very uncharacteristic of Valve not to capitalize on the potential
>>746096731I remember playing with a large custom content pack with my friends years ago. >Nintendo characters instead of special zombies >Tourette's guy zombies>Bazinga!
>>746096448If it didn't have workshop/modding support it would have been memoryholed, just like skyrim
>>746096448I know the jokes been done to death but are you really surprised Valve didn’t create a much wanted third entry for a series where the second entry was insanely popular
>>746097059so basically what the modders are doing for free, with zero effort and investment from the company
With major hindsight left 4 dead clearly could’ve been a successful live service platform like tf2.
But anon, a much better L4D3 already exists!these guys will still claim themselves to be the sole creators of L4D with the next game they release
>>746096448I also don't know why Valve decided buying and overseeing studios to make gems was also not very interesting but why work for a living when you are the market?>>746096731None of it is good.
>>746096448Gabes a fat rich asshole. Simple as that. Hed rather sit on a yacht getting blown by underage foreign sex slaves than make the games we love. Selfish prick
>>746097390>We made l4d>Check commentary in l4d>"Hi Gabe Newell here, we fixed this train wreck of a game for them." Lol
>>746099337Honestly same
Valve only releases games when they feel they can innovate on gaming technology to provide a new experience. They had a lot of flak releasing L4D2 from the original L4D fanbase asking why they were being expected to buy the game again essentially. Its the same reason they havent done a 3 of any game because they havent yet pushed into what they think is a new defining experience
>>746096448I wonder if part of it is that Valve, being less retarded than most other companies, believes that they can't make the kinds of games they used to with current tech. They could make a game that plays like the old ones, but it wouldn't superficially look as good as most AAA games now, and chasing those graphics would compromise the game's potential.Or maybe they're just stupid and lazy. L4D3 is a slam dunk and they could monetize the fuck out of it if they wanted to. I get the hesitation with HL3, but with L4D it just makes no sense.
>>746096896Idk maybe gunplay that isn’t utter dogshit? Perhaps melee that isn’t complete dogshit? Perhaps some actually interesting mechanics? It was good way back when, but has been surpassed in every way.
>>746096448The king of coop zombies... we need that sequel. Feels like fucking RE5 remake is our only hope even if it is 2 player. Still love playing through no mercy but i'd rather not know every room and corridor
>>746096448There’s a big poorfag component to the game’s popularity. Poorfags can’t run Darktide, but any jeet with a pc can run L4D2
>>746101893truke nuke, even playing single player i feel like damage is delayed and theres no replayability, despite what people say about the "director" AI (all it does is punish speedrunning and changing spawn locations). also no, installing a trillion funny mods doesnt make the game better
>>746101893surpassed by what in its niche? Back 4 blood?
>>746102224Vermintide, Darktide, a bit less similar but still much better: Killing Floor.
>>746102659>SlophammerI thought you were serious for a second
>>746102778L4D's gunplay is really bad
>>746096448>Leave it to me
>Wah wah wee wee everything has to be milked to death>Btw why are video games so bad now?
>>746102778Oh I am. VT has better characters, maps, melee, enemies and mechanics. The only negative thing is how much focus is on melee. DT has better maps, melee, gunplay, enemies and mechanics. KF has better characters, the best gunplay, maps, mechanics and enemies.
>>746102221The AI director does not punish speedrunning though, the meta for the game is taking shotguns and rushing the level as fast as possible so that hordes don't spawn.
I am genuinely in love with Rochelle. Every time I hear her speak with her infectious enthusiasm and her bright, cheerful timbre of voice, I am filled with joy. She is beautiful, cute, and has such a lovely smile. I would very much like to hold hands with her and kiss her on the cheek,
>>746103230Hate this shit, they designed the spitter and charger to discourage hunkering down but did nothing to stop rushers.I wanna explore and use random buildings for temporary holdouts, not rush to the end of the level to get it over with. Apparently if one person gets far enough the commons aren't even spawned
>>746096448>didn't live to witness L4D whored out with stupid mtx for epeen losershonestly it's better preserved in my memory this way
>>746096448The part I'm impressed by is how they never even got far enough to even have a bare skeleton of what L4D3 might have been; the theoretical contents of HL2: E3 or just outright HL3 have been leaked in bits and pieces over the years for example, but there isn't even the barest hint of L4D3 pre-production material. Must have never even gotten off the chalkboard.
>>746096448the only people playing this are poor chinese people, you can even see for yourself by joining a random online server>>746104034ive heard someone say that l4d3 was meant to be an open world survival and of course that idea was dropped quickly and never went back
>>746102949Is that even playable yet?Last time i tried it there were a ton of chinese and 3 maps
>>746097324IIRC that was the original plan, hence all the butthurt back int he day over L4D2 coming down the pipe hardly a year later. I think it had something to do with contract fuckups and legalese regarding the XBawks version.
>>746102949What's up with zombie Source mods all getting the most horrendous sequel?
>>746104387What happened to ZPS->Contagion was a tragedy. I'm glad they managed to oust the retard that burnt the whole thing to the ground, but too little too late.
>>746103814It's especially bad in versus since survivors in versus basically have two states: Instantly killed by a Charger or not at all. If you miss a death charge on some maps the survivors will just be able to clear like 30-50% of the map due to how long respawn timers are for the infected team.
darktide is a lot better than left 4 dead anyway, but i would like to see l4d3, really strange that they havent made it yet, would be the easiest project they could make really
I sometime play L4D2 Versus in solo and playing the infected side made me notice the insane amount of jank related to hitboxes in this game, especially when it comes to player special infecteds, and looking into it, people often mistakenly believe them to be tied to netcode issues.And the worst part is, Valve was clearly aware of the issues, because in many cases, the AI controlled SIs are buffed or even outright cheats to compensate.
>>746104034No there was definitely like a source 2 remake of a l4d2 map (by valve), or was it just concept art, I don’t remember but surely someone knows what I’m talking about
>>746105914The Source 2 render of the plantation from Swamp Fever? I think that was made purely on a lark for tech demo purposes and looooong after any serious attempt at actually getting a L4D3 project going was abandoned.
>>746101627There’s also the issue that L4D2 is almost perfect as is, I genuinely have a hard time imagining how you’d improve on the formula gameplaywise.I personally wouldn’t mind getting a sequel that is just new campaigns and has prettier graphics, but at the same time, I get why Valve doesn’t want to release that as it would just get hammered with ”lol it’s the same game” critique.
>>746103998Hugs with kanako
>>746104136NTA and I do not own it, but they hit 1.0 and seemed to have fixed 90% of the issues
>>746106979anal sex with Kanako
>>746097076Bazinga gun sounds is easily a top 10 mods ever made
>>746101893>Idk maybe gunplay that isn’t utter dogshit?Okay but WHAT about the gunplay makes it dogshit? I people say this all the time in relation to games and I don't understand. L4D2 doesn't even seem that bad in comparison to most games, guns are lethal, have clear visual feedback via gore etc.
>>746096448>>''lol just let it die at 2''>brings up other games in the same situationi really don't get it
>>746108064Not the guy you're replying to and I wouldn't call the gunplay shit, there are games with far worse gunplay, but there's something about L4D2's netcode or hit detection that gives guns an awful noticeable delay on some servers. The gore is great, the sound is great, but playing L4D2 on a bad server makes the guns feel so much worse than any other source game.
>>746107081>decide to read about NMRiH 2>leveling>perk system>iframes>button mashing minigameJesus fucking christ
>>746099236Yes they are
>>746108064nta but the game does have horrendous hit registration, especially against commons, which are the main enemy of the game.The amount of time I see blood or hear a shot land and the target isn't even wounded is insane, and I play in singleplayer so it's not lag.
>>746108530>>746108728Yeah that's fair I've def noticed some delays before while playingUsually I see people say "gunplay dogshit" and it's just because weapons don't 1 shot enemies or because they don't like the animation style >>746108551Yeah it's definitely more complicated than the charming sourcemod counterpart, but the character system seems interesting. I'm not a roguelike fag by any means but NMRIH already had that randomized element so it seems like more of an iteration than anything to me, still skeptical though
>>746096448I tried to queue for a mercy hospital campaign and got a chink that was somehow playing as a helicopter shooting zombies on the roof and I spawned in mid air and died right away. I think it's dead dead.It's been left 4 dead by valve one might say.
*breaks the internet*
>>746096448still the goat I can't believe I was convinced into playing the borehammer derivatives, the melee in those games is like slapping enemies with a poolnoodle, nothing compares to the satsisfaction of taking out a horde with the fireaxe in l4d2
