Yeah, you go on up and see Mr. Lacroix
Romancing him with my female Malkavian was oddly cute. You deserve happiness, security stud.
huge manboobs
>boomers thought a fat nigga was the funniest thing in the early 2000s
>>746535453Lose some weight fatty
>>746534975THANKS DOOR KEEPER
Videogame genres with only one title: VTMB
>>746534975Thank you Officer Chunk, my greatest ally >>746535453Fat niggas are a timeless gag, and an obese security guard is double trouble. See also
>>746535743It's an insim, anon. Just like Deus Ex and Thief
>>746535809To a lesser degree and very focused on only specific things like computers and a small number of environmental interactions. What's nice is that it's a game that is not afraid to let you miss stuff. It really is shitty the "Sequel" didn't carry on with that. It'd be great to be a fairly weak 13th gen where your limited access to Disciplines still changes things pretty drastically. I always feel like Potence is underrated as a problem solving Discipline.
>>746535198I killed him as soon as I got the first chance. Then I found out he had a twin brother!
>>746534975Why haven't there been a indie game that replicated these kinds of games. Every indie dev want to make the same fake ps2 tranny game.
>>746534975I remember one option to get past chunk was ripping out the steel bars in the parking lot near the galleryis there any other place in the game where you rip out stuff? Only other example I rember rn is the beach house fence I basedfaced hard when I found out you may cut power to the house and one of them comes to check it out
>>746535809It's not an imsim at all. It's a traditional RPG just in first/third-person with realtime combat instead of isometric view turn-based combat.Imsims rely on numerous game systems coming together to allow open-ended and unconventional solutions. Stuff like stacking crates to get over a fence gate instead of lockpicking/hacking it open. You can't really do that in VTMB, everything is a stat check, thus making it squarely an RPG.
>>746535809people like you need to die. and you will
>>746537915Immersive Sim just isn't a very helpful genre name because it often doesn't really apply to a lot of the biggest games for which it's applied to. To me Immersive Sim is something at applies to SOMA, Voices of the Void or Iron Nest. The most important thing is simply that instead of pressing X when looking at something, you instead have to physically interacting with an actual button on the object, or physically place an object into another, use fire to heat an object by actually holding the object near the fire, refuel a car by physically pouring a jerry can in. Lots of games have at least some immersive sim element, what sets those that "Belong" in the genre apart is that they really lean into it for everything. Deus Ex is a great game but I think it's vastly overstated as an Immersive Sim game. Bloodlines barely scratches the surface of that and only really in Santa Monica. It has things like interacting with computers, turning off a power switch to make someone come turn it back on, or moving boards and planks to reveal a potential entrance. But these are fairly limited.
>>746535809It's not an insim at all.Really, it's just an action RPG. It's in the same broad category as Bethesda games, Witcher games and probably newer Assassins Creed games.>>746537695I oddly can't remember where it happens, but there's a place where you pull some flat sheet of wood away to open a hole in a wall you crawl through.And I think in the Ocean House there's wood sheeting on a floor that you break and fall through, but that might be scripted to break by itself.
>>746534975curious how a VtM thread isn't that popular in the weekend, people must still be doing summer stuff like>spending time with friends>>746540218in the SM clinic there are two areas to do that if you don't like ventcrawling and keyhunting ... one near the double-doors next to the corpse for Arthur's bounty hunting, and one next to the computer where you find the 1969 passwordthe spooky house one can be broken regardless of stats for quest progression
Sad that VTM threads seemingly can't stay alive these days.
>>746534975Why did Lacroix hire the same guy who FAILED to keep you out of the art gallery? And then they both bitch when asked to be taken seriously. Lol
>>746543203I don't think he really cares that much with the Sheriff around. Can't blame him for that.
>>746543203Because Chunk knows he’s on thin ice (and even admits he was surprised he got “promoted” after his fuckup) and Lacroix knows he can snag an easy pawn who will be eager to please and won’t ask too many questions. You don’t want the smart, inquisitive security guard at the base of your tower, you want the oblivious idiot who won’t go sticking his nose in your business.
>>746543203proper answer to a good question, he is the textbook definition of expendable and loyal>>746534975shilling this deviantart artist I found, Bagrada, has a few nice VTM portraits
Somehting burning? Smells like someone burnt the burgers
>>746537668RPGs are a lot of work
>>746537668Because vtmb has good writing, outstanding character models and hub design so there's no replicating it.
Reminder there's no reason not to do giftxp 99 in the console as soon as you start the game to max persuasion seduction and intimidation along with perception and whatever playstyle you like so you see most of the what game has to offer.
>>746543396You know, thats a good point. I forgot about the sheriff for a second there. >>746543452Fair. Just thought it was fucking wierd. He’s effectively the first line of defence against.. anything really. Just such a strange thing to see him there right after the art gallery job more or less lol>>746543584Yea and hes also retarded and fat! Out of all the lackeys he has he chooses that blob to be his gatekeeper! Pah
>>746537668Its HARD AS FUCK.
>bored and looking up the state of WoD>most jewed up looking woman imaginable with a huge schnoz on the cover of the hunter bookwhat the fuck, is this mean to invoke a "this is cool" vibe
>>746537668It's hard to capture the important things. VtMB was quite unplayable when it came out because Troika did not finish the endgame content properly so you got shafted if you played it with narrative heavy slant. Over the past 20 years Wesp and co corrected a good bit of their crap but the atmosphere was there from the beginning.For example, there are quite a few indie Silent Hill and Resident Evil clones that are extremely competent imitations of original gameplay, and even superior QoL-wise to those games. For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGoFjk7E8-kEverything in this game is an excellent recreation of Silent Hill 2-3's mechanical aspects. They even made sure that it's as comfy to go through menus and possible. Good UX design. And completely soulless. Zero atmosphere. Not scary. But competent. I imagine a VtMB-like indie game would have a very faithful hub design, better weather system, more characters, better itineraries, superior combat and still leave you unphased.
>>746544484Makes sense if you wanna see the seduction lines because the correlated stats required to raise it exist exclusively *for* seduction, making it a heavy investment for literally 0 pay off. Doing so for persuasion or intrimidation is just silly and unbalances the game. Which is fine if youre like, a skybaby that crys at any level of difficulty at all, but otherwise simply makes the game less enjoyable.
>>746544767That’s pretty much how it is with most modern TTRPG books. Shadowrun is also pretty egregious. Elves are supposed to be divinely beautiful creatures as a majority, but they always use art that’s clearly just a traced-over image of a dumpy Karen they have working in the HR department.
>>746544767The newest iteration of VtR (nugen VtM) leaked a little while ago and apparently theyre trying to take the DnD route of simplifying anything and everything they can (including the lore, which they are flanderizing or outright basterdizing as well) to appeal to the widest possible audience. A real kek, if you may.
>>746544838That argument falls flat when maxing persuasion still lets you finish the game simply through talking so adding seduction and intimidation to it does not make it easier.
>>746544947gayest thing imaginable, VtM vampire lore is the only one I've ever encountered that didnt immediately think it was gay as fuck and designed by and for women at that point just play DnD but as vampires
>>746544949lol? persuasion does not let you finish the game via talking, so much so in fact that it is one of the most commonly talked about plights of a first save; investing in speech stats instead of combat stats thus making the end game literally unfinishable. Persuasion lets you skip some sections at best, but all of the major bosses and several long segments of enemies without access to blood remain. Stat investment is an important aspect of the game, objectively so. It isnt new vegas anon
>>746545045>at that point just play DnD but as vampiresWell good news because WotC has gayed up Ravenloft into unplayability as well. Look forward to it and Dark Sun, now without the icky slavery or cannibalism, coming soon to a genderqueer theatre club near you.
>>746545045Agreed, played VtMB because it was fucking awesome, and for the next couple weeks I spent hours a day just reading about the lore and history. Even just the details of how vampire biology (necrology?) functions was so well thought out compared to every other piece of vampire media Ive ever read. A shame theyre ruining the series because it isnt a paypiggy ip.
>>746534975Someone DLSS5 him
>>746545213i love the enshittification of everything
>>746534975Are we ready for the DLSS 5 remake?
>>746543203Deniability, anon. Lacroix also retains his own ghoul swat team.
>>746540724steam2 leak is probably occupying the usual VTMB posters
>>746545213Whatd they do to Ravenloft
>>746545378there actually is an rtx overhaul for vtmb being worked on lolhttps://www.moddb.com/mods/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-rtx-remasterno character models I dont think yet
>>746544821Intro to this game literally looks like something I'd watch on rule34
>>746537695>is there any other place in the game where you rip out stuff?In the downtown area across from the bar, where the serial killer killed someone. You can rip out a bar to climb up and get the key up there but you can also jump over it so it's kinda pointless.
>>746545813Yo this goes hard as fuck holy shit
i remember as a kid thinking brujahs are so cool only to realize how cringe and gay they are as an adult
>>746546367>What if instead of a dark hallway it was really well lit and had SPOOOOOOKY spiderwebsHow does this look good?
>>746545813will it be compatible with clanquest or compmod?
I wonder what's in the steam leak.
>>746546403I still think the clan has potential it's just utilized in the worse way possible because of how modern writers utilize their Contrarian culture. Celerity, Potence, and Presence are an incredibly good combination at almost any generation but the problem with the Brujah is that a lot of them are just picking up new ideas as a means of challenging whatever the Status quo is, which typically means groups are dominated by whatever new idea has popped into their heads. At the same time I kind of dig it conceptually. From a hyper individualistic perspective any consolidation of powers into an individual or group is eventually going to turn sour and start being used to fuck with you. That includes the Anarchs whenever they start acting like a Social Club or start being too reliant on any one individual. The Brujah who think they're going to build something grand and magnificent by being Communists or Fascists or whatever are retarded. The smart ones are the true Anarchs who want to ride solo and know that they have to actively tear down everyone else or someday someone is going to come fuck with you in the name of their ideology.
>Brujah used to be philosopher kings that ruled over the greatest vampire utopias history every knew>now just junkies that hang out in back alleys and copy mortal trends like antifa and call the masquerade 'problematic'name a bigger fall from grace
>>746545045>>746545216>didnt immediately think it was gay as fuck and designed by and for womenIt's been pozzed harder than a San Francisco bathhouse fisting orgy.
>>746546440>Dark hallwayThe original has sourceless illumination despite a window being present and also has spiderwebs, it isn't dark you blind dumbass.
>>746545813it's really not that good
Hey Frankenpatch dude,So it turns out my idea of how to rework Histories was fucking dogshit. I've spent the past few days trying them out, and I realized that while I had some good ideas, I had made some serious critical errors. The first was removing the flavor Histories bring. Some of their ideas are jank, but that's what contributed to the soul of the game. So, I decided that instead of straight-up removing entire Histories, I should work on "balancing" the objectively bad ones. The second problem that I came across is that my way of approaching Histories was "railroading". I failed to appreciate that giving certain Clans bizarre backstories allows for repeated play-throughs with the same clan to have a fresh experience. The third problem was especially noticeable with the Disciplines-related Histories. Totally shutting down each Discipline that the player doesn't take a History in was a retarded idea... at least, to the degree that I did it. I learned the hard way that a heavily-nerfed Celerity AND Potence does NOT a fun a Brujah make.Anyway, I've gone ahead and re-balanced (I think) the VANILLA Histories that DID NOT go unused. You can find them here, and there:histories000.txthttps://pastes.io/adU8Jzz4traiteffects000.txt (holy shit does this need some actual cleaning up what the fuck were the devs smoking leaving their doc like this on release)https://pastebin.com/50RwQhD6Right now, both Tremere and Ventrue look very deprived of Histories. I need to play with the changes I've made for vanilla Histories to see whether or not I have the brains to give them backstory options that aren't horribly unbalanced, aren't retarded, and fit the tone of the setting. If I realize that's beyond my abilities, then I'll just leave it as-is. I doubt this thread will survive the night, and it's less likely you'll even see my post, but oh, well. C'est la vie.
>>746546860It looks like there are unpacked files from 2007, vpk's, a low violence mode, a german version, and a french version.Nothing we haven't already seen (probably). Download is slooooooow.VTMB released in 2004, so I doubt it has any pre-release stuff.
Because of how dogshit Bloodlines 2 was, what are the odds this might be good?
>>746550087>published by kwalee>most popular game is "shift at midnight" which is a unity engine version of mafia>developed by flyos who has literally only made board games>"what are the odds this might be good"
>>746550087fifty fiftyeither it's good or it's not
>>746534975In my first playthrough, I was imagining myself as kind of as a reluctant vampire, so he couldn't bring himself to kill Chunk for just doing his job. In my second playthrough, I was a chaotic asshole who gladly sucked him dry.
>>746550561Peak is when you try to keep your humanity high and then go apeshit after the Giovanni mansion and just fuck everyone a new asshole. (No one has ever gone from 3 humanity to 10 humanity in a playthrough by the way.)
>>746545324Eh. VtM always had the issue the modern game suffers from. It was always a joke. Bloodlines took the joke of it all and ran with it in a campy way. That's why it worked.
>>746550894Note, I mean the overly dramatic pissing contest issue. The modern writing getting super-serious with no capacity for chill or actual satire is a real fucking problem.
>>746550894"Campy" means "faggy", the word you want is "hammy". Regardless, NO, it's not that VtM (or, more broadly, WoD) was always a joke, it's that it was nearly impossible to find people in the 90s who understood where WoD's satire ended and realism began. The blurring of fantasy and reality is why Northern Europe has such a strong VtM LARP scene because Northern Europe is full of weirdos because the Danes killed all of the smart people and the Dutch imported ondermensen for banking and loaning purposes.
>>746550002Ah, right. I forgot.Thanks, anon.
Going to start up a new playthrough tonight. What clan shall I playAnd what mod
>>746551418FemalkDon't, they're all asshole-flavored
>>746551543jerma?
>>746551543Femalk homosexual it is
>>746544767>>746548359>the White Wolf is fagging up the lore>Hunter the Parenting is fagging up the fanbase (even further)A real joy for future WoD newcomers.
>>746548359 >>746552390 Its so much worse than you think.>declares himself "a strict materialist" while also being a practicing muslim, which means he believes in a god, which means he's not a strict materialist.>a strict materialist that believes in god and practices that gods religion but also refuses to keep that gods commandments because he's also gay, and is also a supernatural being, in a setting where the supernatural is proven to exist. He is also talking to other supernatural beings when he says this.Its not just fagged up, its fucking nonsense.
>>746553234You do have to realise that this was likely written by people who think "materialism" means "being right" in socialistish and call themselves anti-theist despite only ever being against christianity.
>>746553234>a strictly materialistic gay vampire who practices islam
>>746535198>You deserve happiness, security stud.He's bald tho
>>746550002Yeah, it really doesn't look like there is anything new. All those unpacked files are available in the current Steam release, and the maps have the same problem of not really being Gold Source nor Source.
>>746549472Oof. I tried using the last files but for some reason it just completely broke histories and nothing was showing up at all. I'm not sure why but these seem to be working now.I can see how you might've had some issues with that. I remember for the Discipline ones that even the minor debuffs to some of them was enough to make them noticeably weaker but not useless. And yeah I do like some of the flavor histories add even if they're less "useful" compared to others.I still liked the idea of having histories for more social characters to start off with some points in that. That seems a bit lacking in the default ones. I think part of the issue is that the minor stat swap histories don't alter gameplay much compared to some others so it makes them feel uninteresting even if the backstory itself is interesting. Maybe you could give some of those extra bonus stats to start off with along with the swap? This way it actually feels like it makes more of a difference and has a more noticeable impact on gameplay. For example, the Voyeur Website Model history does SPM for stats but maybe it could also give a bonus point to Appearance?Just guessing at what might help because I do still think some of the histories could be improved but it mainly feels like it's the stat swapping ones which seem the least interesting. The Discipline ones can be alright if you just want to focus on combat and some of the other ones that do alter gameplay a bit in other ways seem okay. Though I'd still like to see more histories that noticeably alter gameplay somehow in special ways. I think you can do a bit more with histories if you get into using Python, then you might be able to start making them have some more noticeable effects that way instead of just stat modifiers. But that's a bit more complicated of a mod project and the included ones still need some fixes.
>>746550250I remember back in the day thinking this was fat CJ in vtbm for some reason
>>746535453Still is.
>>746554289I’m not sure yet that it’s the best idea to give bonuses to stat swaps. I agree they feel the weakest, but I’m hoping that the changes I made to all of the histories makes them more viable. Using Voyeur as an example: Female Brujah can use it to easily get Persuasion 4 (Charisma 3, Scholarship 1) with no further investment nor penalties (which means they can save Tourette), and also get Intimidate/Seduction 4 (either to rob the unnamed man outside of the apartments blind or turn him into a blood doll). What I’m trying to say is that stat swaps allow for a better early-game to suit a player’s specific interests without a long-term penalty. Using another female Brujah example, I gave Hard-Ass Chica bonus dots to Perception, Firearms, and Dodge (40 free XP) with penalties to Knowledges (40 more XP total). This allows for a stronger ranged combat character early (potentially Ranged Combat 5, Defense 5, Stamina 3), but she’ll struggle to get Haggling for bullets, Computers for hacking, and Scholarship for free abilities. If she stat-swaps to MPS or STK, she would still get Ranged Combat 5, Defense 4, Stamina 2 OR Ranged Combat 5, Defense 3, Stamina 3. It’s a similar start, but without the long-term penalty, and even Chica can avoid the penalty if she focuses on Disciplines sooner rather than worrying about Knowedges.This is all on paper, of course. It needs play testing.
>>746555945>What I’m trying to say is that stat swaps allow for a better early-game to suit a player’s specific interests without a long-term penalty.I see what you mean. I was mostly thinking about it on its own but when combined with different TSK choices it does end up making a pretty different character than default is able to do. I'll have to look into that more next time I play. >Using another female Brujah example, I gave Hard-Ass Chica bonus dots to Perception, Firearms, and Dodge (40 free XP) with penalties to Knowledges (40 more XP total).This makes a bit more sense now as the bigger bonuses come with bigger downsides though the vanilla version of just one free point in Firearms and starting with a .38 didn't feel like a good tradeoff for requiring more XP on Knowledges. An issue I might see though is that you could just take Academic instead and start almost as strong without the XP penalty on Knowledges. But that's just powergaming which probably shouldn't be as much of a consideration over the roleplaying aspect and whether all the choices are just fun or not.
>>746545045i disagree, i dont like the world of darkness as a setting whatsoever, the amount of stuff you have to suspend your disbelief for is ridiculousbloodlines is pretty fun though
