>muh shovelware from 20 years ago!!
grow up

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>>746555096
is it because adobe couldn't sell it in a subscription?

They took you this from you cause it had a possibility of breaching your privacy, now you can just bring it back since everything wants ID now anyway.

>>746555096
flash was shit

>>746555096
My first game was made in flash. nobody played it

>.swf
>always being hesitant to click it to avoid a jumpscare
I'm glad this ended

>>746555096
never really used or care about it

>>746555187
>>746555224
>>746555364
Kill yourselves zoomoids

I do miss it but
>adobe
It was destined to die. If there was an open source equivalent maybe it'd still be alive.

>>746555096
Flash is proprietary and closed. Open standards are preferable.

>>746555393
I'm 36

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Reminder some guy said he was building a whole new Flash designed from scratch for people to make shit with

>>746555096
>new Flash vulnerability found that affected millions of users
>had to wait for Adobe to fix it because no one else could

>>746555462
>begging for money without even explaining anything first
yeah, no

>>746555462
>just trust me bro 2 more weeks just sub to my patreon

>>746555096
Mobile killed browser games

>>746555393
how bad is your ZDS that you think people currently pushing 30 did not grow up playing flash games

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>>746555198
It completely side-stepped the iFone app store, and therefore cut into crapple profits. So they simply never made it work, and normies being normies led to the obvious conclusion.

>>746555096
It allowed this site to be hacked lol

>>746555409
If there was an open source equivalent AND major companies contributed to it, maybe. The web seems to work fine without it, though, so I doubt it.

>>746555393
Im 48 and it was garbage

>>746555462
wow chatgpt is making the next flash???

>>746556003
shouldn't you be asleep, grandpa?

>>746555198
.swf as a container wasn't something you could easily peek into with external scripts like google analytics which was obviously a problem for companies who wanted to make spying on everything you do on the internet as their primary business model.

>>746555096
i stopped using it because it needed security patches every 40 seconds

>>746555187
Get vaxx cancer and die, piece of shit

>media on site breaks
>gotta reinstall flash
>install failed
>have to google your problem for hours
flash sucked ass

>>746555096
It's nearly fully reverse engineered and old flash maker softwares still work. And while it didn't work we just used the projector and outdated browsers.
>>746555215
Just sandbox it like everything
>>746555462
>Idk how but I will make a new flash standard so start sending me money
lol

>>746555187
shovelware used to be playable without microtransactions

Happiness is a glitch in the system, misery is humanity's natural state.

>>746555187
>half of all internet multimedia in the 2000s
>shovelware
words have no meaning

>>746555198
It would have been problematic on the medium term for the reasons the other anon specified, but at the time adobe engineers famously did not know how to fix it. It was a mess in terms of security holes, and more importantly, it needed a serious internal rework to make it work on a bunch of phones and shitty tablets. Adobe was hiring dozens of subpar engineers even back then, and this was an impossible task for them. Keep in mind that beyond lame compatibility fixes, cosmetic adjustments and duct taping JS bloat on them, most of the adobe apps have remained virtually unchanged for more than two decades now. It is widely suspected that their current engineers don't even know what to do with the source code.

>>746555915
this

also the hordes of mothbreathing mongoloids like

>>746555434
>>746556003

who opened 100 windows of porn videos in their browser when flash was the goto video player and it crashed their browser

>>746555096
I miss /f/ more than Flash itself.

>>746555096
>guys, its outdated, with it gone things can be more optimized!!!
>everything has never been as bloated as it is now
Its amazing how getting rid of legacy shit never solves anything.

>>746557181
HTML5 opened the door for some truly insidious technologies because screeching freetards have 0% foresight

now we have to deal with tracking out the ass, RAM gobbling, cryptominers and all for what?

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>>746557181
>everything has never been as bloated as it is now

>>746555096
I know.
Slowly I grew to hate them.

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>IT MUST DIE
>t. small hat investors

>>746555096
Flash was killed off because it was a format that let people post games, animations and other cool shit that couldn't be monetized, moderated or controlled.
AI is ironically gunna be next. Give it 5 years tops and you'll need to apply for a govt license or connect with a digital ID to be allowed to gen anything.
Owning/swapping/using software to gen at home will be illegal and get you v&.
And all our current OS will be phased out in favor of digital ID subscription-based models.

You can do everything flash did nowadays with jewerscript at 20x the resource usage

>>746556561
>It is widely suspected that their current engineers don't even know what to do with the source code.
This is true for basically every large megacorp at this point.
80% of their staff dont even work in software development and are just paper-pushing office-monkeys.
The few developers they have learned to code at college (aka they dont know how to code). Even in Microsoft, I can guarantee my left nut none of them would even know where to start if you tasked them with coming up with a new operating system.

>>746556003
I'm 42 and flash was the true essence of Stage 2 Internet.
Shit is/was great.

>>746555215
It's funny because HTML5 has allowed far, far worse privacy invasion.
The actual reality is that Adobe didn't want to maintain it or open-source it. So they burnt it to the ground. That's it.

>>746557796
>Give it 5 years tops and you'll need to apply for a govt license or connect with a digital ID to be allowed to gen anything.
optimistic, even today you're asked to 'request access' for foundational models needed for finetuning local models and huggingface was just bought by Nvidia so they're definitely gone soon as a truly free environment. CivitAI is right behind it I have no doubt, probably picked up by microshit or something and all models capable of producing questionable content (all of them) getting locked down.

>>746557796
yeah shit's grim, I wouldn't be surprised you'd need to register with an alphabet agency just to buy next gen graphics cards

>>746557796
>it was a format that let people post games, animations and other cool shit that couldn't be monetized, moderated or controlled.
why do soilennials keep making up lies like this? do you even know what flash was? people were selling flash games and had in-game purchases. of course it could be monetized

>>746555462
>C#
>Avalonia
>em-dash
>AI sentence structure
lmao

>>746555096
itch.io
Here you go.
>b-but there is sooo much I don't know what to click
Just like flash
>b-but it's full of porn and stolen assets!
Just like flash.

It's not like they killed Flash at the height of its popularity, Flash games were already waning because of phoneshit and because people sold them as indie games instead

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>>746557286
>2001
>load the internet
>my Pentium II on a 28k modem connection
>can load a white page with text almost instantly while using no ram.
>everyone used anonymous handles and usernames, literally no-one put their real information online

>2026
>load the internet
>state of the art gaming PC with an 8gbit connection
>takes ~10 seconds for the browser to load a white page with text eating up 25gb of ram
>"Citizen: scan dickprint to verify your ID online with the govt database. Failure to comply will freeze your assets and lock your bank account"

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>>746555198
It's because it couldn't properly support DRM for content distribution. The W3 Consortium wanted a piece of the pie and Adobe's Flash wasn't good enough, so they forcefully replaced it with HTML5. "Security" was never an issue, HTML5 is inherently less secure because it isn't containerized, unlike Flash. It's just what they fed normies to make them think Flash is inferior. Adobe caved because they're retards and because it wasn't that comparatively profitable, and could use HTML5 themselves anyway.

>>746558057
Greed is what killed the spirit of flash. I miss when people made 20 hour doujin games and just dumped them on their HP with no fanfare.

Took what? I still have my favorite games right here on my computer
you know you can download them right?

>>746558115
And there will never be any new ones

>>746558081
>It's because it couldn't properly support DRM for content distribution.
That is not remotely true. Do you not remember what a fucking pain RTMP was? Probably not, but it made using Youtube and any news sites basically impossible for several years on Linux.

>>746555096
>going to the library after school growing up to play flash games/Runescape because I was too poor to afford to buy a new console/my own computer.
>formative years on Newgrounds/Kongregate/Armor Games

I want to go back so bad.

>>746558073
>>state of the art gaming PC with an 8gbit connection
>>takes ~10 seconds for the browser to load a white page with text eating up 25gb of ram
You are a retard who never even owned a PC. Ban all phoneposters.

>>746555096
but i just picked flash mx 8 and it works fine on win 11??

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>>746557889
it sounds like a bit of a mess

>>746558135
There are plenty of new games made all the time though?

>>746558025
Zoomie, those games with in game purchases came much later when your ilk started becoming the main young demographic

Flash was never really replaced. Funny how most flash content looks good on 4K monitors because >vector art even though the majority was intended to run at 640x480. Does anything else do that? No.

>>746558139
Yes, and it was entirely in the hands of Adobe, and it was fairly easy to circumvent. It *had* DRM, but not the kinds of horrific DRM that would go on to allow streaming. Not that all of it can't be bypassed, but I assume that the W3C wanted it chock full of copy-protection features right now, not after 6 months at the Adobe pace, if at all. The ownership was the biggest problem.

>>746555096
>muh flash
You can still play all that trash if you want to. You just don't, because it wasn't that good and there's infinitely better content out there now.

>>746558081
>HTML5 is inherently less secure because it isn't containerized
what are you talking about? everything is containerized in your browser. tabs can't magically read data from another tab

>>746558216
There is no such thing as "proper" DRM. DRM is a mathematical impossibility. But regardless, flash did have DRM, and by the standards of the time, it was annoying as fucking hell which means it did its job.

>>746558186
>they couldnt be monetized
>ok actually they could. haha take that, zoomie!
stupid nigger

>>746558241
doesn't matter anymore when google/MS/amazon/meta control the whole backend of the internet

>>746555462
I feel like I am missing out not being into Patreon grifting business

>>746558173
Hey neat the resource file thing is the same in our old MFC programs. It's not that bad

>>746558227
>infinitely better content out there now.
you joking right? It's barely on par.

>>746558336
Elden Ring is better than all flash games combined

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>flash

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>>746555096
Correct. "They" absolutely loathe it when the masses have an access to an actual unfettered, unenforced, unmonitored and less easily manipulated and manufactured forms of creativity, entertainment, happiness, communication etc., or that you can just easily just download something for free, like is the case with Flash. Even some of my friends who work in IT got brainwashed into genuinely thingking and claiming that you can TOTALLY do all the same things with HTML5 as you can with Flash when it fully launches.

>>746557037
Yeah, /f/ got fucked over just because this site works on old ass tech that's slapped together with glue, duct tape and prayer. It's rather disappointing 4chan operates on a minuscule budget with a skeleton crew, from what I understand. There's like one web developer, and he's already busy as fuck implementing all kinds of shit to stop the constant (CSAM) spam. I'm sure there are people who would volunteer to work on the site, including myself.

>>746558293
They monetized to appeal to you, because you are goyim consoomers, and were ruined as a result

I remember even before flash was kill, 90% of the games released on kongregate were idle games

>>746558294
it does matter. they can't jump out of the container and start reading my files

>>746558390
The argument against /f/ didn't even make sense because unlike PDFs this site doesn't even thumbnail flash files, just serves them as-is like an opaque blob of data.

>>746558356
nigga pls, Edmund miller games have had more cultural impact than some derivative rollslop 69 that everyone forgot about after a month

>>746558454
Oh you mean the game series that only got super popular once he remade it not in flash?

>>746558336
Don't embarrass yourself. Even the shittiest of modern, free games run laps around anything made in Flash. The whole genre of Mario parodies done with edited sprites is long gone and replaced by actual animation you can find on youtube by the million.

Flash was great when we were 12 and had nothing else to play or watch online. These days it ain't shit beyond your nostalgia.

>>746555462
newgrounds sisters, let's send this guy money! he seems legit!

>>746558484
Joyless faggot.

>>746558439
I don't know much about how Flash embedding works, but it's also possible whatever upgrades they did broke .fla support. Maybe the web dev they have is a dipshit (looking at some of the shittier attempts to keep out spammers 4chan has tried, this one is very possible).

>>746558439
Wouldn't be a problem if this stupid fucking site supported uploading any file type like all the modern image board engines out there.

>>746558415
so what was the point of your lie, then? did you just want a 130 IQ aryan like me to prove you wrong so you had someone to seethe about zoomers to?

>>746558431
uhh anything chrome based can

>>746558519
.fla files weren't uploadable. Those are source files, not compiled.

>>746558551
Woop, I meant .swf files. Keep mixing those up. Whatever, you get my point. Almost no web tech supports .swf anymore.

>>746558537
Zoomie, you know multiple people can post here right, you’re pretty dense for claiming “I’m Aryan saarrrrr”

>/v/ jerking off a program whose file extension was literally .SJW

>>746556861
never did that, weird assumption
just didn't bother with flash stuff because it looked kinda shitty

>>746558590
>that file extension is older than this poster

>>746558582
As I stated, they are opaque blobs. The server doesn't need to read them or understand them, just put them in a directory that can be fetched from and embed them.

>>746558505
>NOOO I'M THE FUN-HAVING ONE, PERPETUALLY STUCK IN THE PAST

Grow up

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Look the independent small creator ecosystem was KINOSOVL I agree, but Flash itself was a miserable piece of tech and bringing it back won't magically bring that era back. You can do Flash style browser games with HTML5 or whatever already but you don't because:
a) Modern internet is a corporate shithole concentrated at the hands of a few social media orgs, the rest of the scraps are fought by botted shitholes gaming SEO to death. You could make a game and upload it at wherever but it would be like shouting at the void
b) Zooms and booms live in their phones and they only do mobile apps
c) It's brown as fuck and brown people typically only own phones instead of pcs like above
Just get over it, that era is gone for good.

>>746558482
it got popular way before that, even Hollow Knight devs started in flash. A metric ton of mobile games are just reskinned flash games like candy crush and whatever

flash was the goto tool for indie game development

>>746558051
>one site instead of it being all over the internet and everyone creating and engaging with the content
N I G G E R

>>746558636
J o y l e s s
F a g g o t .

>>746558587
why did you start a completely unrelated conversation with me then? i was replying to someone who claimed flash could not be monetized

I do miss Flash. It was such an easy to use (and easy to pirate) program that made it easy to throw simple animations or games together, and there's still no real replacement for it. HTML5 was supposed to, but even making a simple game in that is torture desu.

>>746558706
What are all the billions of low-effort phone games written in? I guess that's the new flash, technically

>>746558737
unity. and that can be exported to html5, so yes there could be a flash replacement if people cared enough

>>746558484
you're the one being embarrassing, all the appstore shit that derived from flash games are pozzed with microtransactions and timegating and are a blight on gaming as a whole and anyone that thinks like you is a massive retard

>>746556329
two more weeks

>>746555096
With how much of a fuckup adobe nowadays, I'm glad flash died before it can be ruined. I just hope Starwish gets updated so I can play it smoothly on the latest launcher.

>>746558737
I wanna say Unity, but that's not as easy to use and not very performant exported to HTML5.

>>746555096
it was shit

>>746555096
They took this from you because adobe is retarded and could never secure it, it ran single core and was mostly used for banner ads with audio which added an extra 1mb+ to your webpage download

>>746558590
it was swf you faggot

>>746558975
So just like today except it's much worse now. Cool.

>>746555096
It was great in early 2000 when vector graphics in web design and videos meant serious bandwidth savings, but eventually this no longer mattered much. And even before the discontinuation was announced hardly anyone was using it, and that includes Flash vidya.

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>>746555096
Maybe if you were less retarded

>>746555187
>grow up
You clearly haven't yet

itch.io

>>746559253
>have to see gay third party program every time you boot a flash game

>>746559253
emulators will never be real projectors

>>746559102
it was also killed because mongoloid normalniggers kept clicking on flash ads that ran scripts and infected their PCs, flashblocking by default mitigated that, but you can't cure retarded

>>746555096
I used to be actionscript 3 SME.
Made games.
Then Apple decided they wanted to monetise interaction. Fuck you Apple.

>>746559307
>>746559319
Least deranged adobe bootlickers lmao
They were given free and open source solution that gets the shit done, and they produce some retarded noises.

>>746559319
protip: flash itself is an emulator that runs bytecode

>>746559253
How many games are made on Ruffle

>>746559396
>and they produce some retarded noises.
I have actual first party flash projectors that work 100% of the time instead of shitty emulators that only work 10% of the time

>>746559448
Do you understand the words you are using? That's like asking "how many games are made on SNES9x".

>>746559439
>protip: flash itself is an emulator that runs bytecode
protip: official projectors can run flash with all its features intact while emulators are only in actionscript 1 and less than half of actionscript 2

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bootlicker has become a buzzword mostly used by faggots

>>746559448
It's a flash PLAYER retard, it's not for developing flash filesh. 0% games were made with Adobe Flash PLAYER.

>>746559396
>not liking how something is done is bootlicking now

>>746559518
discord frog

>>746559448
cool transition sister! you even went as far as removed half your brain to imitate a real woman

>>746555096
Why animate when you can generate?

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>>746559517
maybe five years ago, but now what doesn't work is mostly just edge cases

>>746559670
no
it still clearly doesn't work

try using ruffle to play AQW
go ahead
I fucking DARE you

or hell
even Adventure Quest CLASSIC

>>746559726
so use the projector instead, faggot
cry me a fucking river

>>746555096
The only virus my devices ever caught was from a swf I got from a classmate around the turn of the century.
>It's not an executable - what could go wrong?
Turns out, with Flash everything can go wrong.
It's good, that it's dead.

>>746555198
It's because fucking Steve Jobs killed it by refusing to support it in his shitty iPhone when several developers had no problem getting it to work in Android. And then some fucks tried pushing HTML5 and now every web game uses Unity because it's the next oldest thing besides Flash.

>>746559670
>edge cases
Half the flash games break on Ruffle. And Rust devs are proud of it. Embarrassing.

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>>746559253
>niggerman brownie calarts 2.0 figure

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>>746559253
>Rust

>>746558073
You forgot
>Wait for cloudflare to identify you as human
>Cookies banner
>Forcing you to make an account

>>746559914
It ran like absolute shit in android, so jobs had a point

>>746555429
>preferable
>the current state of web games is preferable
haha no

>>746560207
it's almost as if hardware improves exponentially over time and that wouldn't have been a problem in 5 years

>>746559914
flash is one single big fucking vulnerability
remember when 4chan was down for like 2 weeks? cause of flash

>>746560207
back then yeah, now with supercomputer in your pocket I doubt it's an issue

>>746560218
he unironically believes that, this is the future open source goys want

>>746560268
Actually it was because of pdfs

>>746560268
The sharteen who got in did so through a .pdf exploit, Captain Dipshit.

>>746560268
Seems like we're taking away everything good in the name of security. You know they're forcing people to enable Secure Boot to play the latest competitive FPS games.

>>746560359
That doesn't matter to the average person unfortunately, because they already turned on secure boot to be allowed to install win 11

>>746560359
normoids have proven time and time again that they can not be trusted with advanced technology and their stupidity is dragging down the rest of us

this thread is full of retards that don't even know what flash is, and still want to commentate on why adobe decided to shut it down

>>746560478
At least those retards know the difference between comment and commentate

>>746558357
useful toe fungus eating idiot

>>746560507
if you commentate, then you are performing the act of commenting. do not try to correct me again, brown retard

>>746560581
>then you are performing the act of commenting
So you are commenting? Not commentating?
I bet you think a comment and a commentary are the same thing. No more (you)s since you immediately started lashing out, ESL

>>746560136
Lightspark still exists if C++ is more your thing. It doesn't work as well though.

>>746560359
>good
Flash sucked. I don't care how many edgy parodies or porn cartoons you consumed after your gaylo sessions, 15fps sucked, jpgs and poorly vectorized raster images sucked, tacky tween motions sucked, 11050 hz audio sucked, that default fucking brush with random weight sucked. You wouldn't miss any of it if the internet culture at large didn't go down the shitter.

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>senile millenials are actively shitting themselves in anger over flash kino
What, too transphobic and racist to you? Trying to farm BETTER MAN points so your wifey gives you 3 extra minutes of playtime on your Nintendo Switch?

>>746560654
that's okay, i will still reply to you since i want the future archivists to know that i was right and you were wrong. the fact is that the posts i was referring to were not individual comments. go scroll up and see for yourself. although, it might be hard to spot for you if you are one of the retards that don't know what flash was

Nah they took it away because it was garbage, just like Java applets were.

>>746560916
The only purpose of the java plugin was to run oekaki. Everything else was dogshit.

>>746560743
>You wouldn't miss any of it if the internet culture at large didn't go down the shitter.

It was purely a millenial phenomena for millenials, the apex of underage creativity. It's such a waste to see zooms instead of trying to learn, create and share art, instead use their time and brain capacity to make cringey 5 seconds tiktok dances. Now we all have jobs and responsibilities, so that time is never coming back.

>>746560916
t. salty apple dev

>>746555393
kill yourself first you retarded assbrain
zoomies grew up with this

>>746555198
Nah, it's because Steve Jobs wanted to sell apps for normalfaggots on iphones

>>746561141
Actually, the normalniggers were bitching and moaning that there were no apps in the first couple of versions of iPhones. They brought this shit on themselves and all of us and all for shit, piss and fart apps

>>746560359
Security is when you kill evildoers. "Security" is when companies enforce ubiquitous spying and surveillance of everyone to sell your data and keep an eye on you so you don't express a "wrong" opinion. Kill all scammers, range-ban India and Israel.

>>746560268
It was cuz of PDFs and the hacker was a /tv/ namefag
/tg/ still cant upload PDFs anymore since that fucking hack.
Shit's so gay now.

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Thank you Tim Apple for an outstanding iProduct

>>746560359
>in the name of security
It sounds ridiculous but its in the name of advertising and marketing.
The extreme richfags who run corporations are frustrated that they're no longer getting +20% monthly growth, but they're so disconnected from reality that they dont know what the average person wants to buy or does in their free time.

They want complete control of everything so they can spy on you and figure out what you want to buy.
Its literally all it is.

>>746561141
still unbelievable how this faggot killed the only good thing about the internet with an open letter.

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Who will write a funny joke first, nitrosuck or jerkcity?

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>>746561260
>shit, piss and fart apps
At least some were apple quality

>>746560336
>>746560342
wasnt the whole point of the hack that mentally ill faggots wanted to (but couldnt) post swf files in here? so cause of flash

>>746558642
>You can do Flash style browser games with HTML5
you can't

>>746561914
No, you dipshit. It was just some sharteen mad about /qa/. Or for the lulz. Either one applies, really.

>>746555198
It was a major security vulnerability

>>746561601
the apps on your smartphone are actively used to track everything you do

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq36YXrfyJE&t=738s

>>746555096
there's alternatives like the one newgrounds is using

I still run these files fine locally using the debugger exe.

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>>746557037
This. I'll do anything to get /f/ back.

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>>746555096
TAKE ME BACK

>>746560991
and minecraft

>>746561914
imagine being so new that you weren't even around for the hack last year

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∞K gaming is a lost art

>>746559726
Why r u playing AQ with a flash emulator they have a client now
Even works on Linux I believe

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>>746555096
>Mention Flash games to someone
>"What's Flash?"

>>746555462
The way this is worded is because it's copy pasted from AI