>NOOOOOOOOO I HAVE TO PLAY FAIR MATCHES AGAINST PEOPLE OF MY SKILL LEVEL?>AAAIIEEEEE HELP ME!!!!Cod kiddies everyone
That's every game tho.
The issue with SBMM is your experience swings wildly in either direction each match.To play against your own level, your skill has to plateau and you need to consistently play at the level
>>746598678>rank in pubs cod has eomm and not sbmm, dumdum
>>746598678Whenever I feel bad about myself I remind myself that at least I don't defend engagement algorithms patented by multi-billion dollar companies that are designed to suck the life and soul out of online multiplayer and I feel a little better
My experience in games like world of tanks makes me hate this shit. You are guaranteed to lose a match because the game set it that way. The problem is that you will always have a team of morons as well, never fellows at your "skill level"
SBMM only works in 1v1 games or teams with consistent members/substitutes. Everything else is for retarded faggots
>>746598678I wish MW2 didn't kill gaming forever
>>746599319>>746599059>>746598854God forbit you have to play against others of the same skill level and not literally whos you can stomp
>>746599557>he thinks EOMM matches you against players of equal skill
>>746599557This is why I only played CoD 4 on 64 player servers where you have a mix of everyone from the sweats to the terminally retarded
>>746599365>No you don't understand, I'm in Elo Hell, nothing is ever my fault and my teammates are always bad, but somehow my opponent's teammates are also never bad!Cope
SBMM/EOMM is bad in games that are bad when played competitivelybut years of esports conditioning made everyone pick up big multiplayer games like they're career choices and your career depends on how much you see the victory screen so the ranked treadmill is "required"
>>746599557You're not seeing the obvious alternative, i.e. playing on a server with a relatively consistent roster of players who rotate in and out, most of whom approach the game with a similar temperament to you.But I don't blame you. Publishers want you to forget the old ways. Things have been so crappy for so long that most just blindly accept it as normal.
>zoomers will never experience community servers>they will never experience the feeling of playing with That One Guy who plays all the time and is fucking cracked>the feeling of dread when he ends up on the other team>the feeling of relief when he ends up on your team>that feeling of awe, satisfaction, and growth that stays with you for hours after when you actually manage to outplay him>zoomers will instead be cycled through an endless algorithmic feed of strangers every single time they play, only distinguished by how shiny their comp badge is and what character/weapon they mainIt's sad.
>>746599557But that's not what SBMM does. It takes a slightly above average player from one game and dumps them into a lobby full of sweaty 11 year olds kneesliding around at 60mph. It's literally a punishment for playing well.
>>746599557sbmm works by locking you into a skill bracket after a certain amount of matches, meaning if you win a few too many matches in a row (usually 2 or 3) you will be matched against competitors in a higher bracket than you with other shitters to all but guarantee a lossit's hardly a fair system and the skill brackets arent as cleanly progressive as you think they are, if anything they're closer to exponential ordering than linear ordering making the problem even worseit's a shitty engagement algorithm designed to grind any fun away from the game and turn it into a metrics driven shithole
Why do people in these threads always say "oh you just want to win against less good players" like it's some sort of gotcha?Winning as a result of being more skilled is fun. Without SBMM, you win more often the more skilled you are and win less often the less skilled you are. That's how it should be.With SBMM, the amount of skill you have and the % you win are completely unrelated from each other, because if you're actually AFK for an entire round every round or if you're insanely skilled, you're still average around 50% win rate. I want to play games where me being more skilled results in me winning more. It's that simple. >oh you just want to pubstomp shittersyes. Yes I do. And if I'm a shitter, I want to get pubstomped so I learn the good tactics and get good.
>>746599754I'm never going to carry your faggot ass and you can cry harder and harder until you suffocate. I just go AFK when I see someone who doesn't deserve to win on my team.
>>746599557That's the problem, these systems never work that way. They will force you into a 50% winrate
>>746600016I don't even care if I stomp shitters or not I just want to play with people who play at MY pace not people who treat unranked lobbies like an e-sports event with a $1,000,000 prize pot.
>>746600264>not people who treat unranked lobbies like an e-sports event with a $1,000,000 prize pot.The reality is that they aren't. You just suck.
>>746599059You bump the threads instead.
>>746598678>can't farm clips to post on tiktok>rage on twitter about itCoD filth is truly pathetic
>>746600210>I'm never going to carry your faggot assYeah, you didn't have to tell anybody you can't carry a match lmao
>>746599652kek, yeah that was a big benefit of titanfall back when people played it. Especially if you weren't playing attrition, the retarded ass grunts would let you call down your titan and if you were playing bounty hunter (actually even if you were playing attrition) you could call down a Scorch and just rape the AI and end up winning off of that. I used to only play big team battle in Halo 2 and 3
>>746600356>You just suck>Constantly punished by SBMM for not sucking:thinking:
>>746599830I haven't played an online game other than titanfall 2 since titanfall 2 came out and I played like 2 matchmaking games recently, was terrible and just played the map defense missions which were fine, granted like half the players who play the match defense stuff must be literally retarded cause I sucked at multiplayer but would consistently be the second best in the coop defense mode and even had a game where I beat it by myself basically playing with 3 actual downies or something based on how useless they were
>>746600625The worst player in the game getting put into below average lobbies still sucks even if he thinks everybody he's playing against has 5k hours and is acting like a million bucks is on the line.
>>746598678I don't find playing against identical clones of myself very interesting
>>746598678Because these matches are never balanced and it's just your turn to stomp or get stomped. Play any pre 2015 game with server browsers and team balance and they play flawlessly. No stomps and matches go nearly a full hour vs the modern experience where it's over in 5 minutes and you hate the game.
>>746599947>>746599958>It's literally a punishment for playing well.god forbid you have to play vs others on your level and not vs scrubs
>>746600016>Winning as a result of being more skilled is fun. Without SBMM, you win more often the more skilled you are and win less often the less skilled you are. That's how it should be.god forbid you have to play against other players with the same skill level as you and not retarded shitters
>vidya discussion 10 years ago:"You're crazy, there isn't an algorithm that's rigging games!">vidya discussion today"Actually, the game-rigging algorithms are a good thing!"
>>746600869It's not having to play at your LEVEL YOU DUMB FUCKS. It's having to play with crayon eaters against a team of John Wicks because it's your turn to lose. I don't care about losing as long at the teams are balanced.
What's the point of online gaming if I can't join a casual server and absolutely demolish everyone, ruining their fun?t. haven't played an MP game since 2007
>>746599319>You are guaranteed to lose a matchCan you niggers not lose anymore? Give your nuts a tug and hop back in, you don't win them all.
>>746600869>on your levelWhat part of "that's not what it does" are you not getting? It swings you from one extreme to the other.
>>746599643/thread. this belief that eomm equals fair matchup is absurd
>>746598678>schizo ADHD jumpshotting crack addict players now have to watch their corners instead of sprinting and jump sliding everywhere
>>746600819>Play any pre 2015 game with server browsers and team balance and they play flawlessly>No stompslolI grew up playing on dedicated servers and I have no idea what you niggers are talking about half the time when you go on about them. It always sounds like pure nostalgia to the point I wonder if the person has even actually used them before. There are still active games with dedicated servers even. You can go try them out for yourself.
Who knew that the vast majority of gamers are manchildren who inflate their weak bitch egos. Imagine not being man enough to fight against your own skill which actually requires you to try and instead wanting to stomp noobs to make you feel "big." Weak bitches.
competitive games are lame design for teens who like to brag about leaderboards
I see what you're doing, the bait is weak but keeps getting bites. Sad state of affairs
>>746601035Nobody really remembers the stomps because you were just playing for fun instead of trying to gain MMR
>>746601047What does Final Fantasy have to do with this?Is this a bot post?
>>746598678Your based SBMM brought to you by kike psychologists and jewish mega corporations
>>746598854the issue is its improperly programmed. you win one game and you get put in a match vs a stacked team who you will 100% lose against. it should never be how cod lobbies worked. historically you always get put in a random match against random people and doing anything different completely changes the vibe thats always worked out for the series. people play cod to relax, not grind.
>>746600389>he doesn't know how not to bump the thread
>>746601194>improperly programmedIs it though?
>>746600936it's sniper frog>>746600997sounds like you need to git good>>746600998kek
>>746598678>>746599059If you want to see a game without SBMM look at fucking marathon.The casual playerbase got stomped out of the game contributing to the downfall.
>>746598678>It makes it an sweatfest!!!>Every match is hard!!!The absolute state...The only reason COD still exists is because of SBMM, because people at the lower ranks would have dropped the game the tenth time they got matched against sweathards they don't stand a chance against.
Modern gamers are so fucking weak willed and weak minded, all they want to do is roll shit downhill by only playing against people weaker than them. They have no drive to improve, they don't feel that sense of competitiveness inside of them well up when they come across someone better than them, and worst of all they still gladly pay for and play these dogshit games that only have matchmaking because they are addicted to clicking that button and not thinking for themselves.>b-but sbmm isn't fair!It is. You need to take personal responsibility and not blame the matchmaking or your teammates for your faults.>b-but the matches aren't balanced! >>746600819They are, that is how the system works, it matches you with players around your skill level.>Be me playing in CS pubs 25+ years ago>People of all skill levels competing together on the same server>No one complaining about who is better or worse, bad players not whining about dying to good ones>EVERYONE is focused on enjoying the competition and bettering themselves as a player>Even if your team is down to it's last player and it's the worst guy in the server people will still say gg to him after he loses the round because they know he fucking tried his hardest and that's all that matters in life
>>746598678Actishill conditioning bot threadThey pay for these btw>>746601190KEK WTF IS THISReal tho
one of the things I hate about blood bowl is that they have an ELO system, but refuse to use it for matchmaking because the 85%+ winrate sweats get mad if they can't pubstomp people, even through the ELO system is fantastic at predicting the winner of a game and elo mismatches fucking suck
>>746601272Ah yes, of course, it was the lack of match-fixing algorithms that killed Marathon, and totally not everything else about it, you retard
>>746601272>Game played exclusively by unemployed trannies drove the rest of the playerbase outShocking.
>>746601272right, because it was the SBMM that made marathon die and not literally all of the other problems it had>pic related a game without SBMM
>>746601008no you don't understand, they/them have to only play shitter so they/them have a 100% winrate
>>746601272The issue with Marathon is that it was designed from the ground up to let streamers farm clips of them stomping with their friends. If the game wasn't so retardedly focused on trios this wouldn't have been an issue
>>746600819>No stomps and matches go nearly a full hourbro battlefield 32v32 and cs 1.6 16v16 casual servers were almost always stompfest. so much so that the community had to make autobalance plugins. and desu that was peak kino. at most the server balance plugins only moved one or two problematic players around and you could play the game casually without sweating your balls off like nu cod. nowadays the word casual doesn't mean anything if they are still putting sbmm/eomm in casual modes. so there is no fun to be had, just sweating.
>>746598678>Everyone hold angles for minutesSo everyone finally figured out the easiest way to play cod is slow and not running full sprint around the map like a retard? What did it take? Only 20 years?
>>746601104Kek I see that too, has he been hunting all along by posting picrels of single player games?
>Play Battlefield>Has open servers without any matchmaking rulesets or skill brackets>Round starts and both teams rush onto the map>One side loses the opening battle badly>Players from that team immediately give up and begin sniping from the spawn or refuse to walk forward to attack points>Multiple players are seen not spawning, attempting to swap teams to the winning side>Any new joiners to the server are put on the losing side, most leave immediately upon seeing this>Game ends with one team winning by a landslide victoryModern gamers. No fight, no pride.
>forced losses make it feel like gambling>friends can't play together>your 2.0 kd running around puts you against campersand the worse part is the growing suspicion that there is in game manipulation, of course they deny it but they also denied eomm in the beginning
>>746601194>this broccli hair'd tranny is too retarded to remembers sniper frog
>>746598678every codtard is shocked theyre not allowed to go 32/4 every game vs 9 year olds
All that tells me is that cheaters are made they are playing against other cheaters lolAnd of course the skilled players get to be punished extremely hard, but alas
>>746600869>regurgitating your already refuted point instead of addressing the critique against iti accept your concession
>>746600819I hope nobody here is stupid enough to think that any major game uses EOMM
>>746601375>contributed>HURRR THATS WHYLearn to read, sped.If your playerbase is consistently getting demolished by better players they're not going to want to play. This isn't rocket science, but you fags want an ego boost for stomping worse players and can't comprehend why developers think it's a bad thing when the average gamer is some middle aged dude who has limited free time to play.>>746601398>pic related a game without SBMMmw2 absolutely had sbmm you delusional retard lmao.
>>746598678people play ranked for SBMM
>>746601135It's also just because they're more willing to ignore it and earnestly play the game rather than obsessing over THE ALGORITHM personally screwing them after their teammate makes one unlucky play even in unranked games. So many people on here just fixate on their teammates mistakes both looking for things to blame and to justify their preconceived notion of how a match is going to go. Like, damn, bro you went into a match assuming you'd lose before you even queued and you lost. Surely there was no self fulfilling prophecy there.
>>746599319>use plugin that shows the skill levels of the players>you are the best player in the game but everyone else in your team is a slavic drunkard>enemy team is more balanced>the only way to win the match is to play as perfectly as humanly possible while chanting prayers to God that the other side of the battlefield doesn’t collapse too soon, or you’re fucked no matter what you do
>CoD niggers are subhumanwow, what a revelation.
>>746601035I remember dedicated servers ending up being one team of try hard buddies camping the same server and team together farming kills from the poor suckers that haven't figured out they are always matched against the A team. Still if you knew, you could find a good one. Overall didn't work well in my opinion but I wouldn't put a game down for having it.
>>746601272That entire game was meticulously designed to make the life of the average player the most miserable seal clubbing garbage possible, it's bad even for an extraction shooter. SBMM wouldn't help it at all. It also does matchmake based on account level.
>>746598678>own rankSBMM is about rank now and not skill? It's not surprising that SBMM is a subject of a shit ton of misinformation considering the term is based on disinformation.
>>746600997>It's having to play with crayon eaters against a team of John WicksYou talk like redditor, so you're probably not as good as you think.
>>746601682>I remember dedicated servers>always matched againstyeah im sure you do buddy
>>746601621you're one of those>I take corporate statements at face value and would never try to read between the lines kind of retard and it makes sense why you're running defense for activision this hard
When I played online PvP games (whenever the original Modern Warfare 1 & 2 and Halo 3 and Reach were the hot shit) I just played unranked team deathmatch/team slayer or big team battle exclusively. Hundreds of hours spent just getting matched with random people as far as I know. Sometimes I'd do well sometimes I'd eat shit but the more I played, the more I tended to do well.I feel like that's the best way to play these types of games. Or they should at least give you the option to choose the type of matchmaking you want to play. I'm pretty sure Halo 3 had that option and I always just played unranked.
>>746601398>>746601621Modern Warfare 2 had sniper frog>>746601398 must be a literal broccoli hair zoomer tranny
>>746601631>>746601135This, people used to play for the sake of enjoyment, not for the +11 rank points or the clout of having won. We could gladly sit in a counterstrike server for hours playing with and against people of all skill levels and no one complained about shit because everyone CHOSE to be there. You manually and purposefully joined a server for the sake of having a good time and getting better at the game.Maybe the larger problem here is that this is how peoples mindset breaks down when you take away that choice, when matchmaking does that job for you it breaks the human psyche and causes them to lash out against all these phantom problems.
Why is it every time I want to have a relaxing game im put into games with sweat lords who play like theyre in the proleagues but when I want to play against good players im put into games with literal mouth breather?
>>746601194can't you just feed for several hours running into action while watching anime then have fun again?yes, not ideal, but a workaround.
>>746601194>It wasn't my fault we lost the match the algo isn't coded right clearly bros
>>746598678Unranked Playlists should be random. Ranked playlists should be SBMM. They had this figured out in 2007 and somehow have only taken steps in the wrong direction.
SBMM works perfectly fine in fighting games, i will never understand why CoD players are like this
thank you for the compliment apex legends, but can you stop putting predators in all of my matches, i want to have fun for once. i'm not even good at the game.
>their own rankyou dont know how multiplayer for more than 10 years retard
>>746601596multiple players itt literally admitted they don't like SBMM because they want to stomp shitters
>>746602032Fitan is an inherently sweaty genre. The expectation is that every match is clutch.
>>746601707The level based matchmaking doesn't work if you play with someone of a lower level but it's not really matchmaking.It has 3 brackets; level <10 <50 <100 and the moment you queue up with someone in any of those brackets it'l allow higher levels into lower level lobbies.t. was above level 100 playing in new player matches when my friend got it a month late.>>746601794You're one of those>I make shit up in my head and meticulously argue against it despite companies publishing their proofkind of delusional faggots.I cannot imagine both playing CoD in 2026 and whining that developers won't give you free wins against gamerdads.
>>746602104>despite companies publishing their proofshow me this "proof"
this is why i play ground war so i dont have to deal with players that drank a can of gfuel
>>746601539This was my recent Battlefield experience. Bunch of baby's that completely give up as soon as they start losing slightly. No one wants to be the comeback kid anymore.
To be quite fair I don't like matchmaking and stopped playing FPS games once I stopped owning a gaming PC. It's just less fun than picking a server.
>>746602032because CoD players are retarded animals.
>>746602153Activision repeatedly has published papers on their matchmaking systems in a futile attempt to get you fags to stop whining like toddlers, google it and get reading, cunt.
Without sbmm, middle of the road players will win some and lose some. sbmm is for shitters so that the can win occasionally. The problem is that it forces middle of the road players to play every match like it's game 7 or the world series.
>>746602032They don't want to improve, they don't like competition, despite playing an inherently competitive game they don't actually like it and only want to bully those that are weaker than them.
I remember noticing like 7 years ago that in Overwatch it seemed like I was having an unusual number of wins and losses in rows. I ran the math on my entire play history and it was basically statistically impossible that play history would have had so many wins and loss streaks. tldr; The algo was manipulating matches to create higher highs and lower lows for players, because they had reason to believe that was more addicting than just alternating wins and losses.
>>746602032There is a fundamental difference between the composition of fighting game and shooter matches. I'll let you figure it out, you're smart enough.
You dont see Counterstrike players whine about skill based matchmaking.But they also dont play a babby game with aim assist made for console groids. Maybe thats it.
>>746602369yeah fighting game players arent bitchmade retards.
>>746602032>>746602236To be fair, CoD is also a game where they purposefully try to let bad players get cheap kills, have killstreaks to reward pubstomping, and encourage people to play offmeta or do dumb strategies for unlocks. It's a casual game that shouldn't have as strict of SBMM as a game like CS. The notion that it shouldn't have SBMM at all though is retarded.
>>746602029have you ever played against a 6man or 9man if groundwar? unless you are also playing on a stacked team youll just lose, even if youre good. all sbmm does is change casual play into competitive play and no one wants that. there should be seperate modes of play, casual and competitive where sbmm is implemented
>>746602248you mean the patents literally describing modern SBMM as engagement optimized matchmaking designed to artificially force 50/50 win/loss ratios by putting you in guaranteed win/loss lobbies?
>>746601763Maybe I am remembering the wrong thing. Thinking about Battlefield bad company 2.
>>746602417Guess I overestimated you.
>>746602386The only time I've seen CS players complain about SBMM is when they weren't getting hard enough opponents.
>>746601035I mean you had to actually git gud and practice. First few games will be stomps until you can hold your own. I remember matches going on an hour plus in some games. Matches today end in 5 mins because you are late to the next game.>>746601330SBMM might be balanced but EOMM is just a stompfest. At least with SBMM your teammates aren't retarded most of the time, picrel. >>746601478Team balance plugins fixed everything especially mid match. >>746601618They do. There's dozens of patents on it by EA and Activision and others. Go read lazy nigger.
>>746602062>regurgitating your already refuted point instead of addressing the critique against iti accept your concession
>>746602205It used to be my main time wasting game but I had to completely give up on the series mostly because of that behavior. I'll never understand it no matter how much I try, people just don't want to try.
>Oh, you think SBMM is flawed do you? You must just want to club seals!It's all so tiresome.
you just wanna club seals
>>746602032Narcissism. It takes effort and practice to get good at a fighting game vs something like the latest CoD which aggressively aims for you; thus being slightly better than average but still being ego checked by better players is frustrating to manbabies.>>746602453>you mean the patents literally describing modern SBMM as engagement optimized matchmaking designed to artificially force 50/50 win/loss ratios by putting you in guaranteed win/loss lobbies?No, retard.
>>746602451A multiplayer online PVP FPS game is competitive by nature, if you don't want that you should stick to PVE modes or games.
>>746602420if its that casual then the mechanics accomplish that already anyways.
>>746602559FUCK YEAH I DOEveryone, their mom and their dog abuse the piss out of the game, glitches, the meta, competitive 240hz settings, etc, etc
>>746602642>n-nuh uh!lmao
>current year multiplayer>playing against your own rankyeah , not like companies dont fuck with you so you win or lost depending on their shit to retain players
>>746598796Not TF2. You just drop in with a group of truly random players, fuck around for as long as you like, then leave. No penalty for leaving early or anything. It is the height of the casual experience.
>>746602654cod has always been casual, anyone interested in competitive would play battlefield or cs2 instead. trying to force compshit on cod is actively ruining what people like about cod
>>746602494you hold an inherently undefensible position you are the retard here.
>>746602368I played OW around it's launch and I had issues with the matchmaking but it wasn't SBMM related, it seemed to purposefully sabotage that by putting problematic players on a team or actively going against "SBMM" and putting matches together using players of wildly different rankings. I was highly ranked and would have games with everyone in master/top500 and then the next match would see one team with all master+ and the other with multiple gold ranked players.Shit made no sense. Maybe they've tightened it up since then but it certainly wasn't working.
>win game>lose game>win game>lose game>win game>lose gameWhy is this pattern so consistent? At the start of the game I already know if it'll be a win or a loss. This is what people hate about SBMM. Let's stop pretending it's just a system that pairs you against similarly skilled players. I just hate the fact that my personal performance basically has no effect on the outcome because the game cares more about fixing wins/losses in a way that's addicting to retards
>>746602453you know what "forces" 50/50? chess elo.you think thats an engagement system?
>>746602542>I mean you had to actually git gud and practice. First few games will be stomps until you can hold your ownWe're talking about teams, dumbass.>I remember matches going on an hour plus in some games. Matches today end in 5 mins Matches in plenty of games with SBMM go on for that long. It's based on the game itself and not SBMM. You're just saying shit without any actual understanding of what you're talking about or what causes the things you dislike.
i never really found winning that important in games like these. there's satisfaction to be gotten from poking superior players in the eye occasionally.
>>746602774Any game which pits players against other players is competitive, competition doesn't only exist in ranked modes, it exists when you are competing against other players in any capacity.
>>746601272Marathon was dead before it even launched. People were calling it Concord 2 after the first reveal trailer.
>>746602417>Trannies>Pakis>Autistic KoreansAll of these are bitchmade, retards, or both. They're also one of the whiniest communities on earth.
>>746602782What is indefensible about the fact that shooters hold ten plus times more players than fighting games? Maybe we should implement SBMM on /v/ because none of you can even sustain an argument.
>>746602537makes sense. its fucking boring to play against weak players in any game.its only acceptable when a newbie asks me specifically to show him shit and thats essentially charity community work from my end.
>>746601330You legitimately have no clue what you're talking about.
>>746602846>Why is this pattern so consistent?Because it's designed to be. Normgroids don't notice these things.
>>746602908everyone that plays cod wants a laid back, casual experience, not competitive. even if the point is to beat the opposite team, historically no one has ever taken cod pub matches seriously and its foolish to try to get the average cod player to take it seriously. its as if you want people to stop playing your game, which they would never do anyways, but no one wants cod pub matches to be competitive, end of story
>>746598678Without sbmm you retards would get matched with people who have 4k hours while you barely have 20 yourself
>>746602849In 1v1s it feels less bad because the worst thing the game can do you is give you a godly player, which is still fun to learn (sometimes). With team games it fucking sucks because it might mean the game just gives you retards to balance the scales, so it feels really artificial
>>746602990amount of players is irrelevant for one.
>>746598678Old matchmaking was better but part of the reason why was because gaming online wasn't (completely) infested with the complete dredges of society. The main thing the matchmaker prioritized was ping. As a result you'd often get matches with people who were incredibly local, frequently in the same county if not city. This made making friends on your xBox something that actually happened. After it found a lobby of players with great ping to each other, it would balance the lobby with the players it found. You still had a hidden ranking, but it only really mattered for balancing teams once the 12/18 players had already been found. You wouldn't get situations where a team of great players would rape a team of bad players, the skill levels were still evenly dispersed. We will never go back to this era of matchmaking though, nor would I want to make friends with the average modern gamer.
>>746602559this is the core argument though.
>>746602153he won't post proof because the only proof is the EOMM trademark where they go out of their way to explain functions like letting losing players match with BIG WINNERS who are of higher skill and own skins, so they can be carried by or get stomped by said skins
>>746602739>nooooo they're conspiring against me>I don't want to read the papers they published they own this patent that's bad and that means they're targeting meeeeeecry more shitter.>>746602537Yeah that was my experience for a long time before I quit even at supreme master; matches were rarely if ever "balanced" and it was generally a one sided stomp.I remember in the olden days there were multiple ranks like DMG that was like 4 different skill brackets because it was impossible to derank in the game and if people streaked they'd be permanently stuck in a tier they didn't belong in.>>746602919The game peaked at 77k on steam, it just has no content and what's there is one of the least friendly games to a non hardcore playerbase for a myriad of reasons that have been discussed to death, but the lack of MM most certainly impacted it.
>>746603136unlike completely random matchmaking which is pretty much guaranteed to give people retards?retarded.
>>746602692See, despite that, even CoD isn't so casual that a top 1% player isn't going to absolutely shit on average ones. My friend buys me it almost every year and I always get accused of outright cheating in my first couple matches before it shoots me up. It still needs SBMM.
>>746603076>Without sbmm you retards would get matched with people who have 4k hours while you barely have 20 yourselfYes, that's the kind of matches you get put into when you start doing good in games that have SBMM, weird...
>>746602556It's always been a little bit of an issue for the series but with the latest one I played 6 I think it was people were dropping from the team like flys because our ticker was like 10 behind at the start. Just leaving super early so the entire game becomes a slog instead of just the last half.
>>746602846sounds like you reached the rank you deserve and that you need to improve as a player if you want a higher winrate.
>>746603023I do and that's why you have no response to what I said, it digs that deeply.
>>746598678matchmaking is like catnip to "competitive gamers" (people that rage when they lose) that aren't playing competitive games (only symmetry is competitive)
It's because video games like Call of Duty have very curated matchmaking.If you lose, you play worse opponents (Not satisfying)If you win, you play stronger opponents (High Coritsol)It feels like a treadmill, unlike a game like Halo 3 where you actually felt very good when you achieved a new rank.
>>746603065then get matched with equally casual players and everything is fine.
>>746602846people will tell you straight to your face you are the problem when you just got out of a match with two team-members "de-ranking" because they don't want to be at the higher skill level
>>746603184i would add that the general skill differential was much narrower. It's not that people didn't take the games seriously, but information dissemination was nowhere near as efficient (or profit incentived for creators to make guides etc), so metas took a long time to develop. Nowadays people crack that shit literally before launch, and the second that someone does something in a tournament it becomes the new meta at lightning pace.
>>746598678EOMM made playing my friends pure torture for both me and themthey would have to play with sweatiest fucks every match, would get raped and not have any funI would have to sweat and carry every game just for the chance to win when all i wanted to do half the time was fuck around
>>746602893I literally have DOZENS of pictures from Battlefield 6 of matches ending in LITERALLY 5 minutes. The stomps are worse than they've ever been because everything is engagement algo based now. It's used to attract trash by giving them cheap wins. And when you give out cheap wins you also need to give out cheap loses. Any standard matchmaking uses a form of EOMM. SBMM only really exists in ranked play and it also depends on the game. See: >>746602846There's patterns to everything. Older games you would only run into a few tryhards. If you did, you usually switched servers. You also had servers for newbs ONLY. You would know this if you actually played them you disingenuous nigger.
>>746602846>At the start of the game I already know if it'll be a win or a loss.This attitude makes you lose games that should have been won. This board used to be full of gamers who didn't suck but nowadays whenever a thread regarding matchmaking algorithms comes up, all the retards really show their ass.
>>746598678SBMM is fucking garbage
>>746603385>Pax ArmataI forgot how lame this shit was.
>>746603353The amount of people taking games seriously was definitely lower when games weren't all in on throating competitive play
>>746603234yes it's unlike that because in the scenario I proposed while our team might have retards, the enemy team will be balanced to a the elo. So if I'm really good and my team is garbo, then the other team will either have a similar composition or a bunch of middling players.
>>746602849that's not how chess elo works you fucking retard. If it actually worked like chess elo then modern cod matchmaking would play like Halo 2's matchmaking because H2's SBMM was literally copied from the elo system. EOMM forces a 50/50 w/l by pitting you against players with a much higher skill level if you win too much and throwing you in a lobby full of retards if you lose too much, not by matching you against players of similar skill. It's quite literally the opposite of fair matches, it's a system rigging your matches to optimize your engagement and the subsequent dopamine hit you get when you finally get that magic roflstomp lobby after 2 hours of getting ass raped by the sweatiest tryhards known to mankind. It's also painfully obvious if you're an extremely skilled player, which the algorithm struggles to account for because it can't find enough players that are better than you to rig so instead it just forces you to carry the most braindead retards on your team every single match.
>>746603341with sbmm, that wont really happen unless i intentionally lose all of my matches
>>746603232you still haven't linked to those "papers" you keep talking aboutmostly because the ones that prove your point don't exist and the ones that do prove the literal opposite
>>746603435E-Sports doesn't get enough shit for the amount of damage it's done.
>>746603310No, you seriously just have 0 clue what you are talking about, you conflate one thing with another and are being purposefully deceitful on matches and how match making works.It's based on averages, averages can fuck you over, the enemy team can have better numbers than you and that's simply factual, nothing you say can change this fact. They put numbers associated with "skill" when they don't really have an actual accurate way to gauge these skills, so you end up with wildly different skill levels of people, or get a 5 stack of supports being forced to play off-class, etc. You legitimately have no clue what these things are because you don't play these games and are simply just defending SBMM/EOMM because it pisses people off, there's no good solution but they don't care about actually making even matches, they care about getting the matches going and having players be "engaged" so that means baiting them with win streaks and lose streaks, as is PATENTED by these companies.
>>746603238I'm not sure if they've changed it but I remember people could swap to a teamless state early on so you'd see a pile of people waiting to join the winning team, then later on you could only swap teams while dead so you'd see 3-4 people permanently dead on the bottom of the scoreboard waiting to swap. I remember having a lifetime winrate of over 85% in Battlefield 1 because I'd play with a few friends and we'd always go for the lynchpin flag right at the start of a match, win that and the other team gives up immediately.I do miss playing it but it's just not fun winning in a landslide or being one of only 2-3 people out of 30-60 actively trying to win the match.
MW19 was a mistake
sorry that you feel entitled to weak players.
>>746602849How chess elo works:>win a game>elo goes up>match with players in a similar elo bracketHow chess elo would work if it worked like EOMM:>win a game>match against magnus carlson so you're guaranteed to lose horribly>lose 5 games against magnus>match against someone who doesn't know how to play chess so you can feel better about yourself
Complaining about SSBM is really just a smokescreen for complaining that everyone has gotten better at and plays more games while their complexity has stayed relatively the same. It used to be if you played a game for 2 hours a day and looked at a forum once in a while you’d be top 10% cuz everyone playing was a dumb kid. Now everyone knows the basics so you can’t pop off on retards anymore
>>746603514It's one google search away - but you have no intentions of challenging your world view.They've done it multiple times now because of fags like you who genuinely think eomm exists.Even if you read it, which you won't, you'll post something like>this proves nothing they're secretly manipulating it behind the scenes to keep people playing and spending
Imagine actually defending these shitty matchmaking algorithms lol
>>746603447??????ELO IS skill based matchmaking.
>>746603140Oh yeah, that's why companies constantly rehash this shit over and over, because Elo in team games is a solved problem and they should just like, put it in bro.
Here's an image of what OP looks like
>>746603483damn sounds like you arent as casual as the players you want to be matched against.
>>746603713The onus is on you to prove your claim, not him.
>>746598678playing multiplayer games with randos you need to depend on is a humiliation ritual.
>>746603529E-sports, or as we called them, Cybersports, are not to blame because originally these were comprised of games AND players who were fit for the scene. Games were generally molded by the community or straight up mods that were properly designed for that level of play, meanwhile the people who played them were born from the casual side of the game, everything worked together and you had a clear foodchain between pub servers and pro players.What changed? Money, companies thought they could make a game and call it an E-sport and it would just work. Various games shoved their way into the competitive scene and ruined everything because you can't just do that, it doesn't work like that, it needs to be a natural flow like how Counterstrike built itself up.
>>746603738i think we're speaking past each other anon
>>746603713>it's one google search away>but I have no intention of taking two steps to link it which would completely validate my argumentthis is an anonymous board anon. You can just stop posting and not lose any face. There aren't any stakes for you to keep being retarded like this
>>746603602Yet again you are blaming everything except your own reason for playing the game, driving my point home for me.
>>746603792you get put up against a stacked team just for winning one match
>whoops I did too well and had too much fun in that last game>better get off now because I'm surely about to get fucked by the matchmaking for the next several matchesit became so obvious to anyone paying attention how this always happened but people still insist it's not real
>>746603823>the onus is on you to prove a corporation is doing what they say they're doingYeah okay, whatever.It's a google search away, (you) and he don't need to be spoonfed.Here, I'll help you, rightclick this text string and search>activision call of duty matchmaking papers>>746603903Yes, I have no intentions of spoonfeeding a literal mouthbreather who both plays call of duty in 2026 and can't use google.
>>746599958>locked in skill bracketNo, unless the dev is a retard. You get a simple Elo rating and try to find players close to that for a match. You can slowly improve over time, stay the same or drop if you start to suck.
>>746598678Well I was losing like every 6 matches out of 10 while ranking up, now that I'm Level 30 I'm winning 8 out of 10 matches, this is on the Switch 2 (CodMW4 Beta) while having crossplay off, what explanation is there for this?
>>746603385>I literally have DOZENS of pictures from Battlefield 6 of matches ending in LITERALLY 5 minutesI didn't play BF6 past the beta because I'm not retarded. I don't know what the breakthrough mode even is so I can't exactly explain how nu-Dice's dogshit design leads to five minute matches. You were speaking generally so I didn't realize you were actually whining about one specific game.
>>746603387its CoD players whining here that alone shows you how far /v/ has fallen.
>>746603706Hell it wouldn't even be that bad since it's at least a 1v1. EOMM fucks you harder the bigger the teams get.How basketball works>win a match with your pre picked team of equally skilled friends >proceed further into tournament against other equally skilled players How basketball would work if it had EOMM>win a match with your pre picked team of equally skilled friends >match against Jordan, Lebron, Kobe, Magic and Curry>also your team of friends has now been replaced with a handcap team of spastics>get dumped on for 5 in a row>now you play with Jordan, Kobe, Lebron against the team of spasticsThat's not fun
>>746603974you can't spoonfeed what you don't have
>>746603974>I have a source for my claim but refuse to cite itThis just makes you look like a dishonest retard.
>>746603453>EOMM forces a 50/50 w/l by pitting you against players with a much higher skill level if you win too much and throwing you in a lobby full of retards if you lose too muchdoesnt actually happen.
>>746603903Telling someone to google it themselves is a way to prove that the other person in the argument (You in this case) isn't arguing in good faith. Instead of taking 5 seconds to type a few words into google to prove a point you continue to stamp your feet and scream, you don't care about the truth, you just want to whine and pretend to be the victim.Not the guy you are crying to btw, just a passerby.
>>746604140>t. bottomfeeder who doesn't experience thisyou are the target audience
>>746600936kek thisI remember when dota 2 threads over 10 years ago would piss and shit themselves about how "forced 50/50 isn't a real thing you're just bad" now we have people accepting it and saying it's a good thing
>>746604140factually does. CoD streamers/youtubers would purposefully join games for a few hours and just kill themselves so they can get into lobbies with literal retards and have 50 kill games for a sick montage video
>>746603898no I think you are just retarded.
>>746604059>that alone shows you how far /v/ has fallenThe fact CoD is discussed in any capacity on this board at all is a fucking travesty. It's always been mocked as the most casual baby shooter series ever. Now that people have nostalgia for it, however, you see threads about it popping up all the time.Same thing with Halo.
>>746602032cause fighting games are one v one and honestly fighting games are impossible without an ELO system because no one wants to play against literally Woo who has been playing since 1992
>>746603756nonsensical ape
>>746604129>Y-you are lying!>"Ok prove me wrong">N-n-no I won't!>"It's literally right there, all you have to do is show it to me if I am wrong">R-r-r-r-r-r-etard!!!!!!!!!
>>746604030I gave you an example. There are plenty of others - Destiny, Overwatch, Apex, FIFA, COD. The industry is filled with them. However most people can't tell the difference between SBMM and EOMM. See: >>746600819Also read: https://www.technicalexplore.com/tech/eomm-the-controversial-algorithm-shaping-modern-gaming
>>746603928lol
>>746604086vehemently refusing to challenge your own views is quite cringe, anon.Keep living in your gay little skill-less bubble.>>746604129Refer to above.It's literally the first result on google. If this is too much effort for you to expend I implore you consider self sterilization - assuming that an insufferable and incapable individual such as yourself can even attract the opposite sex.
>>746602552you don't have a critique. you're just mad you can't shitter stomp, troon
>>746604307people used to play cod4 promod on here all the time though, larping newfag
>>746604171>the sun is blue >prove it? Just google it yourself LOL>I'm not gonna prove it myself even though I'm the one who made the claim and the burden of proof is on me, I'm not gonna spoonfeed you Meanwhile google:>the sun is not blue
>2026 and people are roleplaying as an oldfagKEK
>>746604342what? what i said is objectively true
>>746598678League classic mm is horrible atm. Playing against noobs is the worst feelingCodfags deserve to be raped for feeling joy in bulling inexperienced players. Worst multiplayer fanbase by far.
>>746604348>If this is too much effort for youGlass houses, anon.
>>746603654>we'd always go for the lynchpin flag right at the startGOATs>do miss playing it but it's just not fun winning in a landslide or being one of only 2-3 people out of 30-60 actively trying to win the match.Me too.
most players are awful at games.mediocre players feel entitled to matches against them so they whine when matchmaking denies them that pool of easy wins.there is generally nothing lower than a CoD babb.
>>746604280ok anon
What the fuck is EOMM?
>>746604375I've been here since 2011, when MW3 was at its heyday. Never heard of promod until you just mentioned it and holy fuck lmao.Did you niggers really larp that you were playing a competitive game when it still had a sprint button, and regenerating health?
>>746604190I'm not a dog who plays dogshit like CoD.
>>746598678>make a matchmaking system built to maximise engagement by putting players in constantly rigged matches in order to maximise microtransactions and playtime>call it "skill based">now have an infinite army of slack-jawed retard normies who have a bone to pick with people who beat them in vidya to defend the system foreverELO calculations never work in a setting with 10+ dudes, they figured this out years ago so they decided to just start milking cash with it
>>746604613Extremely Obnoxious Matchmaking.
>>746604247damn lowering your rank intentionally puts you against worse players thats crazy.
Games shouldnt have ranks or leaderboards or microtransactions at all. The scoreboard should be shown per game, and never saved anywhere unless someone takes a photo. There should be no identifying features other than your name and possibly character model/color.
>>746604526Open google and type in "Call of Duty SBMM Paper".
>>746604171>Instead of taking 5 seconds to type a few words into google to prove a point you continue to stamp your feet and scream, you don't care about the truthNta but googling “activision EOMM patent” brings up shit about setting up rigged matches based on micro transactions, not setting up rigged matches to manipulate player engagement.
>>746604491you are delusional
>>746604719>brings up shit about setting up rigged matches based on micro transactionsThe plot engorges.
>>746603706Kek
>xdefiant boasts no SBMM>stacks and good players recognize each other in lobby >dodge the queue to join another lobby with shitters>every game is a one-sided stomp>bad players get rekt and leave the game>as the player pool dwindles, all the tryhard niggers have no choice but to go against each other, since it's either that or don't play the game>de facto SBMM nowI'm glad Call of Duty isn't listening to the complainers that want easy games for their montage videos.
>>746604307I hope you die. Eat shit. People play games you don't like so deal with it.
>>746604637>i'm a newfagyes that was obvious>Did you niggers really larp that you were playing a competitive gameno it was just cod4 but less shit. i also played cs 1.6 and hl deathmatch and quake 3/live with anons
>>746600819>>746603385>>746602542BTW speaking of Battlefield 6, I don't think people realize we are up to the second or even third iteration of EOMM since it's 10+ years old, now with AI and LLMs analyzing patterns and playing styles on how to create even more engagement than ever before. It's not about fairness, it's about player retention. They could give a rat's ass if you want something fair. The goal is to attract more pay piggies and keep them there. This guy wrote a brilliant analysis about BF6's EOMM on the Steam but it got deleted by mods with no explanation given and the guy got banned from BF6 on Steam. Picrel. This is happened across every modern multiplayer game now.
>>746604613It stands for "Engagement-Oriented Match-Making"
>>746604613Engagement optimized matchmaking.TL:DR of it is retards think every games matchmaking system now is based around keeping them engagedErgo: they get stomped and to keep them playing they then get to stomp another match, or they drop 20 bucks and it matches them with worse players for a bit.Instead of people having a good/bad game it's the man behind the curtain, so anytime you do badly it's not your fault, it wasn't possible to win!
>>746604816Ok but that’s a different fucking discussion from what everyone itt is talking about so clearly googling it does not get you the correct patent so just link it faggot
>>746604613its when console shooter subhumans try to do conspirational thinking.
>>746604689>lowering your rank>in a game that is just pubs
>>746605013I'm not that guy don't shout at me.
>>746604613"Engagement Optimized Match Making", which was the subject of like one patent paper which if you actually read it basically breaks down to "put people on losing streaks on a slightly favored team so they can quit on a win and want to come back tomorrow" and "team f2p players with people who whale so they will see cool skins and want to buy them"
>>746604926As a couple of us have been talking about Battlefields problem isn't the matchmaking, it's the people. As far back as BF4 the series has had a serious issue with people giving up when their team starts losing leading to extremely one sided matches. The matchmaking systems they use today (back then it was servers you joined manually) may be making the problem worse but it's not the source of the problem.Anyone who played with /bfg/ back in the day remembers it, I legit think my W/L ratio is 75% or higher in BF4 which is insane for a 64 player game.
Nobody moves because the ads feels really long, I think it might be some of the longest cod has had. But people do actually shmoove slide shit in high level lobbies.
>>746604862so what you're saying is no sbmm filters out bad players and guarantees the player pool will be good players that play other good players instead? that sounds awesome sign me up
>>746598678That actually isn’t what happens. The matchmaking system’s only mission is to get you to a 50% win rate. The matchmaking system pairs you up against people who have never played video games before one match. This is the power fantasy. and then it pairs you up against the greatest players in the world the next. You rarely if ever plays against your skill level.
>>746604670Kek, makes sense shit's cancer these days.>>746604946>>746604954I see. Haven't been playing competitive multiplayer games recently so I didn't even know they had a new model for fucking up the player experience.>TL:DR of it is retards think every games matchmaking system now is based around keeping them engagedI mean, after Activision they tried (or they actually did not sure anymore) make a patent for a matchmaking system where poor+shit players were matched with good players with expensive skins, I don't doubt that could be a real thing.
>>746598678I remember League Play from Black Ops 2, it was gay as fuck, filled with campers using the wall hack attachment.
>>746598678I thought the point of this next CoD was that it's going back to how the old games played but it looks like they just went back to MW 2019. I don't even know how these games are different anymore, the shit just comes out yearly like 2K.
>>746604894And yet if I wanted to make a thread about shitty snoynigger movie game #87 that wasn't just dunking on it I'd be told to fuck off and kill myself, rightfully so. We should have gatekeeping against shitty games to keep the normalfaggots out.The lenses on your nostalgia goggles are so fucking thick that you can't even tell you're eating shit and even worse, you're coming on /v/ to talk about it.>Eat shit.How about you STOP eating shit instead?
if you play outside of a stack you don't really have a right to expect wins if the game is extremely team dependent and this goes for games without sbmm as wellthreads like these really make it stark how much of /v/ is young, stupid normies these days. in the past people would have a problem with MM because the convenience of it kills healthy communities that present a meaningful variety of experiences, not because "AIEE I'M FACING GENUINE OPPOSITION I JUST WANT THE EGO BOOST OF STOMPING ON SCRUBS"
>want to play a game for fun>queue up>either have fun stomping or have a fun david vs goliath experience>can try fun loadouts/strategues in easy lobbies>want to play a game for fun>queue up>cant have fun because you have to try 100% every single game>cant do anything silly because everyone is exactly your skill level>when they cant properly force 50% they just put you in a lobby with an afk on one team ruining the entire experience
>>746604712You replied to the wrong person I wasn't even talking about Call of Duty in that post.
>>746603974>activision call of duty matchmaking papersI googled ithttps://www.activision.com/cdn/research/CallofDuty_Matchmaking_Series_2.pdf>As the community will attest, Ping is King. Connection is the most critical and heavily weighted factor in the matchmaking process.>Team balance is vital for ensuring games are fair for our players. The goal is to make the outcome of a match as unpredictable as possible. This reduces the probability of blowouts occurring, which are known to negatively correlate with self-reported “fun.”>With deprioritized skill, returning player rate was down significantly for 90% of players. The 10% of highest skilled players came back in increased numbers, but in aggregate, we see meaningfully fewer players coming back to the game.>If low skill players engage with our titles less, then higher and higher skilled players become the new low skill players (relatively speaking). As a result, they then experience the negative outcomes of being the lowest skilled players>Difference in TDM Blowouts from the Deprioritized Skill Test - In Figure 5 we see the difference in the rate of blowouts occurring in TDM. A blowout is when a team in a lobby wins with a score delta greater than 30. This has increased for all players>Another example was a test to tighten skill in Call of Duty: Modern Warfare III. This had inverse results consistent with the results of the loosening test. Quit rate was down for 90% of players and we saw other improvements in the experience of low-skill players (KPM and SPM). However, we observed negative impacts for high-skill players. As a result, this change was not rolled out>In effect this acts to ensure the skill distribution in a lobby is roughly centered on the average skill of the lobby. As with delta ping this is a constraint that is loosened the longer a player’s search runs. >The skill disparity rules are concerned with minimizing the difference between the worst and the best player in a lobby.
>>746604028So no explanation?
>>746605354>>cant have fun because you have to try 100% every single gameYou literally can, outside of ranked you are not required to tryhard>>cant do anything silly because everyone is exactly your skill levelYou also can do that too, nothing is stopping you
behead all twitter resposters
>>746605354>cant have fun because you have to try 100% every single game>cant do anything silly because everyone is exactly your skill levelYeah, if you want to win. I thought you were just playing for fun?
>>746605160>Anyone who played with /bfg/ back in the day remembers itYeah, I remember my score per minute tripling when I started playing with BFG in BF4 because having like 12 guys who are actually working as a team won 99% of matches.>>746605196it's possible it's real, we've had companies like nexon repeatedly get into governmental investigations for manipulating the rates of their lootboxes; but at the end of the day there's not been any proof it really does and companies have released data showing their processes.>>746605397Based anon who actually does research.
>>746598678>>NOOOOOOOOO I HAVE TO PLAY FAIR MATCHES AGAINST PEOPLE OF MY SKILL LEVEL?>>AAAIIEEEEE HELP ME!!!!>Cod kiddies everyoneit adds time to matchmaking, it makes your connection worse, the spawn system spawns people behind you for their k/d to be higher, when you buy skins you get easier matches its patented it goes on and on im sticking to battlefield 6its not a game anymore its mind fuckery rat maze shit im never buying another cod again
>>746605112GIVE ME GOD DAMN LINKWHAT PATENT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ITT
>>746605482This. Also ban everyone that has ever posted in a CoD thread.
>>746605545I don't know I've lost track of who is who.
"Skill Based" Matchmaking usually means>I have been given a game where it is impossible for me to lose/win so that my w/r follows a logarithmic curveParticularly egregious in mobas, in some cases you can literally kill yourself for the entire match and your team will still win.
>>746598678Online multiplayer should always be completely random.Some players will be better than you, some worse than you, some at your skill level. That's the way it should be.
somehow halo was able to be one of the most played titles on the whole planet in 2007 when there was no SBMM outside of the MLG playlists, and now cod can't even hold a candle to what it once was due to the prevalence of SBMM which should "increase engagement", lmfao.people just want to fuck around sometimes, if you don't try your absolute hardest, you get stomped every single match because there will always be one person who is trying to climb the ranks, meaning you aren't allowed to play less than optimal and less than minmax.
>>746605160Yes, my Battlefield grip is half the team leaving as soon as you start losing creating a bad game experience. I have seen shit heads on reddit defend it as>Well it's not fun to lose so I give up after we are not winning in the first 5 minutes.It's a wild attitude and all over the place.
>>746605729>Half the team quits because they can't take the first sector in the first minute and refuse to stop running directly up the middle
>>746605729>Well it's not fun to lose so I give up after we are not winning in the first 5 minutes.This mentality is everywhere now.Shit, this thread is proof of people who think they're being fucked with so why try.
>>746601135This.In older game, there was no automated stats or progression system or season pass mission which mean that there is no difference between wining or loosing. (you gain nothing and lose nothing)
>>746598678Maybe the shitters should start gittin gud like everyone else had to before they were given easy lobbies.
>>746601135>implying CoDfags weren't obsessed with their K/D as far back as CoD4
>>746605860>join match>20/200 in their favor>join next match>200/20 in our favoryea..just a coincidence
>>746598678cod literally doesn't work if you do that. the only fun game of bo6 was the first one where i had a 2:1 kda and then i got placed into a lobby with people sliding abound with smgs
>>746605532>having like 12 guys who are actually working as a team won 99% of matches.It was so insane to me at the time because it's not like BFG was necessarily outskilling anyone, we just played the objectives. The straightforward act of playing the game the way it's meant to be played had a steamrolling effect on every single match. I can only imagine it's even worse today if you get a few people who know what to do together, modern gamers as this anon says >>746605729 don't seem very interested in trying.
>>746606005we were 15 in 2007
>>746604692kys
>>746606212>we>15kill yourselfyou will always be a underage retard
>>746606212Speak for yourself faggot.I was 16.
>>746604613it's like ye old sniperfrog>some guy is getting the shit kicked out of him>give him some power ups and put him on a good team so he wins and doesn't just say fuck this and quit the game
>>746606093I started playing Battlefield 6 at the beta and stopped after the first season. Before then the last one I played was Battlefield 4. I was frankly astonished by how quickly and how many players gave up on losing games. I love clawing a win from a loss but it's impossible with this modern give up attitude.
>>746604692based>>746606221dilate
>>746606284>a underageYou will always be brown
"having fun" is a privilege granted only to those that got gud.skill based match making is hinders actual progress.
Why not just play a game without SBMM? Even Battlefield still has a server browser in portal mode or atleast 2042 had one.
>low budget game rushed out incomplete>no ranked mode option whatsoever>small playerbase, five minutes between matches>everyone has to play together and make the best of it>end up recognizing your opponents and learning their habits>learn a variety of strats and characters to keep things fun>learn advanced strats against stronger players and train them against weaker players cause I'm not afraid to fail>end up growing faster and more naturally than if I just spammed reliable combos over and over to try and maintain my rank>everyone else grows at the same rate, entire playerbase is fucking pro within a month of releaseI was pro SBMM until I got this game. Feels like an offline community.
>>746605354you dont have to try. game will put you up against equally lazy shitters.
I remember people crying about ELO hell back in 2012 in League. Good times.
>>746605586do you actually believe this
>>746598678>people getting old> the thread
>>746598678It's "skill-based" in the same way that the US filters out jobless people from the unemployment statistic. Nobody believes you, eat cheese and die white man.
>>746601194Dont play retarded games then. Seems simple
>>746599958It really is, even EA make a pattern about a "Engagement based Matchmaking System" that detected if you were doing too poorly it would make you more likely to turn off the game, so instead when the system detects that you are reaching that point, it will throw in a couple of free win matches to keep you hooked
sbmm is always filled with jewish bots lol, no wonder /v/ loves it so much
Why do anti-smurfing mechanisms cause so much butthurt in people
>>746607743SBMM encourages smurfing
>>746606631this game is straight up dying because it lacks ranked.and no, beating shitters 30-1 is not fun.absolutely botched launch.
>sbmmincorrectly assumes that everyone being on the same level is the optimal environment for humans>eommincredibly devious corporate tactic to keep you addicted at the cost of your mental health, the jew of multiplayer games industry>dedicated servers listnaturally occurring span of players representing the whole spectrum of skill, feels organic just like meeting different kinds of people in real life
>>746600819This zoomer has never even heard of tf2 and that's so sad.
Clearly, what we need is AI-assisted competition. No rankings. If you get too many kills on average game to game, the AI decides for you that you now need two kills to register one on the scoreboard. You are only ever judged on positive performance, no ability to tank your assessment with bad games. In any event of problems, you will just play against computer opponents masquerading as real players and no one will ever know. Problem solved
>>746601418Nice false equivalency
server browser will save BF6
I hate compfags so much i want to pubstomp thats the entire reason to play a game
>>746598796>>746598854Wardogs doesnt have SBMM and instead has ended up in the situation where blue nearly always loses, red sometimes wins, and green wins most of the time. This is so commonly known its a meme now. And yet no one actually cares, it doesn't even really impact your gameplay or progression. Maybe SBMM is just a 'solution' to a 'problem' that doesn't actually exist.
>>746610312sad, but at least honest.
>>746610398>blue nearly always loses, red sometimes wins, and green wins most of the time.Isn't this more to do with map balancing or something? (I haven't played it)
why not delete your save file and start over at the first rank if you just want to compstomp?
>>746610480Nah the distance of bases to the objective zone is basically irrelevant. Its just become a self created quirk because green was seen as the side with the people who want to win, so the best players put in more effort to join it, which leads to less good players on the other two sides, ect.
>>746598678They had a system where a guy that was a little above average or average in skill level could get matched with mouth droolers and completely dominate the lobby. It’s actually a lot of fun to be able to pub stomp without having to play 8 hours a day for years and become a pro. They took that from us. It’s a legitimate grievance that made the game less fun for me
Is CoD4 not full of hackers anymore or what?
it was like watching dotafaggots on /v/ complaining about 50% forced winrate because they couldn't understand this concept>noo what do you mean I'm not winning all my games? I'm better than everybody!lmao
CoD is all about 6v6 now, which is why there's more pressure on individual players to play better. No one gave a shit about K/D when you were chilling on 16v16 servers on PC back in the day.
Their MLG wanna be pro platinium league bullshit killed dedicated servers, they made this bed they get to sleep in it.
>>746601682This can be fun too, though. I was playing Holdfast, a napoleonic war game with dedicated servers, and got put up against a team that had ~6 FaZe-type clannoids on it pubstomping every round, so I just made it my mission to fuck with them in particular. I'd hide on the flanks they'd take to pop out and shoot them, stalk them around the map, and generally bumrush them whenever I saw them. It started to tilt them after a bit, and I was locked the fuck in, so I managed to pull off some pretty crazy 1v3-4 fights with my bayonet. My in-game name is Big Retard, and the game has voip, so I also got to hear things like >"OH FUCK IT'S BIG RETARD">"KILL THAT BIG RETARD"It was a good time overall. They were even mostly having fun with it. This sort of thing doesn't happen in your modern gayman, because you only see the niggers for one match and everyone is an anonymous stranger to each other.
>>746598678A lot of humans are pathetic creatures who only feel good when they're attacking someone who is weaker than them. Cops do this all the time, until you catch them alone then they turn into cowards.
>>746598678Wait what? Since when do the highest ranked players sit still all the time??
>>746599557>>746599958honestly i never had a problem with sbmm because i'm not shit at shooterswhat i do have a problem with is the game nerfing your damage output because you're good at a game god forbid you can clown on randoms and still hold your own after being shucked into a higher skill bracketthis is why i only play hardcore after awhile, though i admit mw4's casual ttk isn't horrible, but it's not great either
Are these faggots playing for fun (trying new guns/strategies) or playing for wins(pub stomping/bragging about your kdr to other faggots)?
I hate it when the game makes me the designated carry guy, it's always a guaranteed lost for my team because I'm a shit player but I had a good game last round.
>>746611026Since they get matched with people on their skill level.
>>746598678I do not want ANY matchmakingI do not want 6v6 as the only arrangementI do not want publisher-controlled cloud serversI do not want fixed standardized rules and settingI want 32~ player chaos in player-run dedicated servers that I can join in one second after launching the game, with mods and custom maps and modified rules. Like we used to have, before the FPS genre became lame and gay.
>>746598678just lose 10 matches in a row? you'll get easy matchmaking?are these niggas retarded? muh k/d?
>>746611229>what i do have a problem with is the game nerfing your damage output because you're good at a game god forbid you can clown on randomswait, that's real? isn't that a 2009 era conspiracy theory?
FUCK SBMM!! Put me in a room full of bots, but don't label them as bots so I can show my viewers me leet skills.
>>746601932luckily these games have smurf detection too so that only lasts a game or two
>>746611582nah nigga it's 1000% real and has been in every cod from nu-mw2 and onward, or at least that's when i started to notice it
>>746598678Systems that force 50% winrate are literally the opposite of same skill level.
>>746611376>Are these faggots playing for fun or playing for winsthey are forced to play fair which is inconceivable for them
>>746598678Games are more fun when its a mess of more and less skilled players. Its fun being a noob running around killing other noobs while hiding from the pros. And its fun being a mid tier player bullying noobs and occasionally being forced into battles with other mids or running from pros. And its fun being the best player, absolutely dominating everyone else.SBMM turns it into a sweatfest where no one's having fun. Fairness is the enemy of fun.
>>746610657Not if you play exclusively on the Switch 2 version with crossplay turned off
>>746602771I can tell this is AI slop (so is your opinion btw) because nobody in their right mind would correctly draw Spy's stupid waistcoat that makes it looks like his tie is cut in half.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNxg5stxlhkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71itTjnpxN0
>>746598678>Playing onlly mirror matches online.So much fun........
>>746611943
>>746610312You still can. You just have to actually get good rather than a bit better than average.
name ONE modern FPS that doesn't have EOMM that's worth playingyou can
I liked when you just had a huge list of lobbies and you sorted them by whatever settings you felt like playing until you have like a dozen or so to choose from and just choose the most populated one or best ping
Cod has paid2win guns since bo3/the future jetpack one. You get the dlc guns and theyre op for week or two, then patched rinse repeat, they even put you in lobbies with people without the lootcrate guns so you stomp them making them want to buy the crate guns. Cod doesnt really have skill when its aimbot as standard is so strong you pump the aim trigger abit and it locks on to the player. Only total fuxking mongs think its all them and not the game playing them. The skill bar is so low anyone that isnt a downie can be pro at cod.
>>746598678Playing against equally skilled people is work. Sometimes I want to just relax.
>>746612513oh that's easy, the ww1 seriesin fact the newest entry gallipoli has genuinely some of the best gunplay since ro2
>>746612609>paid2win gunsackchually they're called blueprints now
>>746600016Good post
>>746612809Yeah I forgot point is it isnt a highly skilled game in reality, never was. Its always been an arcade fps shooter anyone can dominate in that then got buffed paid2win guns added on top, think even some of the skins have broken or smaller hitboxes when they first release giving another advantage to paypigs.
>>746611943Are the systems actually artificially forcing a 50% winrate though or are people ending up at a 50% winrate because that's where they belong and then coping about it? I got accused of lying once about my winrate on /codg/ and had to post a webm as proof that I had 2.0 W/L when people there were insisting it was impossible to get over 50% winrate because they had rigged the MM so hard.
>>746598678When's the last time anyone's actually played anyone in their skill level, though? You're either pubstomping in a pity match or you're getting matched with slackjawed fuckwits against MLG wannabes. That's basically everything nowadays, besides that Gears beta recently.
>>746613426I wouldn't believe it's forcing a 50% winrate if it didn't put mouthbreathing retards in my team that end up with a k/d of 2-24 half of the time.
>>746606753It never stopped, it's just Riot is more honest about how the system works so fags don't treat it like a conspiracy theory in why they're hardstuck Silver They had to crack down on queue dodging because faggots were intentionally leaving shit games and now they're rewarding people for not playing like shit in obvious loss scenarios so they stop doing it so much.
Whats funny is this games main player is like roblox, toddlers aka coddlers. Kids, underage children. Its a newborns game.
>>746613687Faggots use this cope in every single matchmaking gameProtip, those mouthbreathing retards are on the other team too, but you don't notice or care except as an accessory to fellate yourself over your K/D with
It’d be fine if most people weren’t cheating
>>746598854>>746598678What was the method for halo 3, that actually seemed like it had one of the best algorithms for ranked play. I am still fuming however many years later, I grinded with a friend where he was like level 2 and I was 36 or something. But by the end he was a higher rank than me and I hadn't moved at all. It actually somehow ranked the player beyond win/loss
>>746614056true skill, when sbmm was actually sbmm and not eomm
>>746613312also to be that asshole the first p2w gun was technically in bo2, not 3
All 7th gen CoDniggers should be brutally raped and killed alongside their families and IW should make Infinite Warfare 2 with even faster Titanfall 2 style movement nearing on actual arena shooter levels of fast to force the stragglers into suicide.
>>746598678>their own rankit's unranked, that's the whole point
>>746598678Yeah ranked queue is fucking trash though and gets inserted everywhereRemember TF2 official comp mode?
ELO/SBMM/etc never made sense in mutliplayer games.>play by myself>i go 15-1>idiot on my team goes 0-30>two other idiots on my team are friends circlejerking each other and doing nothing to help the team>i lose, am punished for this>now matchmaking puts those retards on the other team to give me an easy winBoring and gay.
>>746600625Zoomers don't understand the concept of not wanting to play with people who behavior sink as a group into removing all fun from a match chasing ELOThey will sink their life into anything other than honest work for a scrap of attention they then use to convince themselves they're peak while still constantly seething that anyone is allowed to own anything they weren't born owning
>>746599947This doesn't happen. >>746599958The algorithm is never sacrificing an entire team of people just to make it so that you lose a game.
>>746611229>what i do have a problem with is the game nerfing your damage outputThis literally never happens.
>>746613985>those mouthbreathing retards are on the other team tooso not actually "skill based" matchmaking after all, huh, retard?God I miss the days where you'd just join a 20 slot dedicated server full of people you knew and just played without all this faggy tinder algorithm shit around, and guys who stomped your shit in were just your motivation to git gud.
>>746600016Unless you're the GOAT, a 50% win rate is literally expected from playing against people that are the same skill level as yourself.
20 fuckin years and codbabbies are finally incorporating the tiniest bit of strategy into their gameplay
>>746601135>>746601870>>746605925>i wasn't competitive >therefore no one was competitiveKDR dick measuring was the number one thing in the world before global rankings.
>>746598678>COD playersActually its COD boomers who can't keep up with gen alphies zooming all over the place
There's always people flagrantly ignoring the problems of SBMM that have ballooned out into a universal industry problem, in favor of going "skill issue" and "well you see the system is actually fair and you can't prove it isn't" shit. Never mind that CoD "pros" are literally throwing matches so they can go smurfing shit lobbies and have openly posted about it for years now because even they don't want to play every single match the way SBMM thinks they should be running.
>>746599059>>746598854The bigger issue is names matter.corpo kikes called it 'le heckin SKILLED BASED match making.....sooo ummm...just lmao git sum skillz boi'like this inbred subhuman>>746599557mindlessly vomits out.When skill has very little to do with these algorithms and we know it due to leaked patients and internal documents on how these systems function. It's just to force as much engagement as possible and keep you pissed enough to want a win, yet not pissed enough to outright quit.How you label a thing MATTERS to how you perceive it, its functions and utilities.Which is why you all need to stop being faggot bitch made cucks and cease using kike made terms like '''woke''' or '''sjw''' or '''D.I.E'''' and start calling it all antiwhiteism.Dumb fucks
>>746598678>play halo 3>open team slayer>all of my teammates leave>win 50 to 47 on a 1v4Open matchmaking will always reign supreme because it makes extremely rare kino moments like this. This happened when I was 15 and I still think about it sometimes
>>746598796i see you are underagegames used to be random party's before all this fake and hidden rank shitthe only thing that should be used to group people together is their ping
>>746616139if it didn't happen why am i here bitching about it then? it's either a forced punishment or spaghetti coding fucking up damage output
>>746601398>Written by Mike Metier - Call Of Duty Hacker.>"After two weeks of exhaustive study, and pouring through thousands of lines of code, I have finally got the proof I need to bring this conspiracy to light. The programmers at Infinity Ward are good, but I'M better. Do not worry, all will make sense shortly...>Have you ever been playing MW2 and thought "that's not right, I shot him first!"? Maybe you ambushed an enemy from behind, blasted him with 5 rounds to the chest, and then he spins around shoots you once in the foot, and you die? Everyone blames lag. Well, it's NOT lag. It's something far worse, and it just may signal the end of "fair" gaming forever.>While investigating the recent claims, and going through the code of MW2, I made a discovery in one of the subroutines of the game AI. It's called "spfg.exe" (we'll call it SniperFrog since all will make sense just bear with me) and it's an AI subroutine that "evens" out the game by lending additional AI resources to a player, or by limiting the player in really cheap ways.>For example, you ever start playing really good, and suddenly you go on a death streak where you can't even barely MOVE without getting killed? You'll get slaughtered like 5 times in a minute? That's the SniperFrog program in action. Alternately, maybe you'll have been having a rough streak, and suddenly you'll go on an amazing killstreak and it feels like you can't do anything wrong? Again, SniperFrog.>The SniperFrog program is meant to "even" out the game. So that ALL players can feel like they're awesome at some points, even if that has to come at the expense of other players doing poorly. It's a plan by IW to sell more copies of the game. You CAN disable SniperFrog by going offline, SniperFrog is dependent on it's conscious AI mainframe to work and it's only available online."This is the type of bullshit that was going around in MW2 days.
>>746616623games were not putting AI subroutines in your shit in 2010
>>746598678>implying Ranked matchmaking for casual is good for a gameYou're a retard
>>746616623>gay faggot retard flairing his posts with "AI subroutine" nonsense, when it's just a fucking number in a database and an alg fixing numbers>he knows this, it's just for clicksthe internet was dead before google started ad campaigns, huh?>>746616695you're genuinely retarded for not seeing the clickbait subtext
Just play BF6
>>746616695the first stalker game came out in 2007 lol
>>746605354If you're just playing to have fun, why are you so worried about winning?
>>746616453>it's anti white to make me play against other players of the same skill level
>>746598678Hating skill based matchmaking exposes the obvious truth that the game just sucks. People complaining about having to play their best and sweat. COD and league are shit games that are only fun because bullying is fun. If a game is only fun when you are winning the game is dogshit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmfRuMYVHusDon't play this shit, bro.
>>746616453pussy ass yt boi
>>746616616You're just doing a modern SniperFrog type bitching where you imagine that there's a conspiracy against you.
>>746616953>why are you so worried about winning?Some of these games limit progression for unlocks behind winning. You literally have to actually do good or get locked out of certain shit. And god help you if you play extraction shooters, where losses on anything not insured is gone forever, so every loss is anti-progression.
>>746598678This isn't how sbmm works and this isn't what cod players are complaining about. Sbmm across all games is putting a champion and 3 platinums against 4 mid diamonds and calling it "balanced". There's zero competitive integrity with sbmm. Skill based in name only.
>>746599914Incredibly sad.
>see some people trying to play fortnite ranked on the side>top rankers are literally getting thrown into matches with bottom tier players to fly through the sky with their genuine cheats and one-shot them>in a mode where you're supposed to be fighting people of the same or adjacent rankthis isn't even just a cod problem, it's fucking everywhere. everyone is either mismatched, cheating, or smurfing even if sometimes unintentionally. shit is absolutely not okay
>>746598678Why do we need ranks in a casual shooter?
>>746599914Older zoomers are pushing 30 you fucking retard, stop pretending they're all newborns who only ever played fortnite
>>746617280because matchmaking nowadays is all about trying to get people into a gambling addiction in terms of match quality. oh, that match sucked, oh that match sucked, oh that match was fun, fulfill the quota and get people entrenched so the good moments feel good and then keep churning them across the hot coals so they keep coming back for more.
>>746617280companies dying slowly need to "innovate" gamers to stick around
>>746598678Battlefield servers still exist and I can go 100/8/40 still. Most matches have one squad carrying their entire team, with the rest being useless fodder as it should be.Skill based matchmaking is retarded especially when some weapons or characters are better than others.
>>746598678I played the beta on my Series X and I can tell you, its just slop. Its pure fucking slop. And this is coming from someone who thought the 2019 MW was fucking good. They went pure downhill since 2019.
>/v/ finally realizing Battlefield won all alongAbout time. Join us on /bfg/ and 6 bros.
>>746617417Is the same as MW1 retard
>>746617417>people complain about how slow mw19 was and too many dark window camping vantage points everywhere thanks to trying be a smidge more tacshooter>every single game since has utterly broken its fucking brains trying to triple down on being an arcade shooter that just gets faster and faster and faster while everyone just melts, to the point that two separate betas a week apart for this new game completely revised TTK (besides on one gun lol) due to how bad the rush to ADHD is getting
>>746617436Nah, not until bad company 3 comes out. I dont like the retarded slick wanna-be COD movement in 6, its just not BF to me.>>746617469No its not. Not even close. The guns sound nowhere near as good, the maps are fucking dogshit. The game looks worse somehow. They downgraded their engine and never looked back. im serious.
>>746617436>thinking battlefield doesn't have the exact same EOMM bullshithttps://patents.google.com/patent/US20170259178A1/enThere's a reason why BF6 is matchmaking only
>>746598678>fairKill yourself, corpo simp. You literally get placed in matches against low level noobs if you pay for microtransactionsThat isn't a conspiracy theory. It's right fucking here. https://patents.google.com/patent/US20160005270A1/enPlease, seriously, genuinely, kill yourself.
didn't activision themselves run a test where they turned off all SBMM for a week and it resulted in significantly less player retention?
>>746600356I genuinely hope you are being paid to suck this much corporate dick anon
>>746598854>>746598678Funny, we PC gamers never had this problem on dedicated servers. Maybe it's just better to play with a general population who vary in skill than to be grouped in what a corporate algorithm says is "players on your level" (read: You'll be forced into a curbstomp every other match, except when you buy something from the premium store, so we can condition you into associating spending money with winning)
>>746598678If SBMM existed 30 years ago, online videogames would have never gotten popular in the first place. Nobody wants to play against faceless ranked tryhards with no tact
I stopped caring about multiplayer games when dedicated community servers stopped being common. I feel like you people are missing the point of what made multiplayer fun in the first place. Most of the time we weren't even really playing competitively. Being shuffled around with randoms every game is so soulless I have no clue why all you zoomers support it.
