>“To my knowledge, no one in or out of the field has ever been able to cite a game worthy of comparison with the great dramatists, poets, filmmakers, novelists and composers. That a game can aspire to artistic importance as a visual experience, I accept. But for most gamers, video games represent a loss of those precious hours we have available to make ourselves more cultured, civilized and empathetic.” - Quentin Tarantino
Posted it again award
Why is he such a foot freak?
>>746616196He ain’t wrong, but videogames are good in their own way.
>>746616196I have played games I consider to be true art and that's really all that matters to me.
>>746616369If all you’ve ever eaten is shit a saltine will taste like a fantastic meal.
Who cares what that kike-sucker thinks
Reminder this nigga went into like a 10 minute diatribe about dialogue in film and it involved characters in a film talking about the work of Leni Riefenstahl and Quentin kept talking about how unrealistic and stupid it was in said film because the actors had no idea what they were talking about they just did the job(it was stupid btw but that's beyond the point) but at the same time he kept calling her LenA Riefenstahl indicating that he too was just as ironically unaware of the history as the actors portraying the characters in the film.He's a very pretentious guy with alot of surface level knowledge enough to flabbergast the uninitiated but once you peel a few layers of the onion off Quentin is lost.
>>746616196>duuude edgy violence, swearing, feet faggotry and BBC worship look at what an artiste I amReminder that this guy was super close friends with Weinstein, is married to some Jewess and lives in Israel. Despite being a high school dropout out, video store clerk, he showed early on that he was willing to kiss the star of david ring and it’s the only reason his career ever took off. He’s the definition of a hack. Nothing tells me faster that someone is a redditor with garbage taste in Cinema than the second they name drop one of his mediocre popcorn flicks (and Nolan shit of course.)
We just had this thread.
Bloodborne (atmosphere), Elden Ring (beauty), Bioshock (narrative).
>>746616369Based enjoyer of the monents of his life-anon.
>>746616428If Quentin told you the saltine was a fantastic meal would you agree? That's what he does btw.
>>746616576Why is it when we discuss videogames as art the default is to point to "art design" and not the intricacies of the programming which is the one thing that videogames have over mediums with 0 interactivity. One could argue in and of itself that good game design is an art in itself the guy for example that programmed mario's jump and the level of interactivity involved in something as simple as the amount of mutations you can observe from this one action depending on the conditions and the inputs alone and that's just basic bitch shit from 40 years ago.
>>746617040Because /v/ is a bunch of shitskin 15 year olds. They don’t even grasp the concept that gameplay itself is an art form.
>>746616823If he told me a saltine tastes better than shit I would believe him. I'm not saying videogames are shit though, I like videogames, but they're not art, they're games. I wouldn't even say that art is better than games, because they're completely different things that satisfy completely different needs.
>>746616196I don't want to be lectured about being cultured by a man who uses his wealth and power to write movies where the fellates hollywood and tonguefucks feet for absolutely no story benefit.I'd happily tonguefuck some feet if given the chance, but I wouldn't let it interrupt the story.
>>746616196It's true. Video games make you a selfish hog who cares only about quick dopamine. You become subhuman, essentially.
>>746616369Same. I don't need my conception of artistry approved by some Hollywood dickhead or pretentious academic.
>>746616196Helldivers 2
Quinten Tarantino would pass me the blunt cuz I could wax poetic about art the likes of which his foot-obsessed ass has never seen.
>>746616196This is just extreme and obvious medium biasThe people who are saying video games can't be great works of art would choke on the barrel of a 9mm than actually play any of the best video gamesReminder; Film, music, and other such critics of the easily consumable arts are all Jewish, trannies, or washed up English majors for clickbait publications Their opinions, quite simply, don't matterIf you care about what they think, you are niggle cattle
>>746616196Notice ho no one is able to name a gamd that can prove him wrong. They just aren't comparable and everyone knows it.
Tarantino is a hack that accidently helped make one good movie and has been riding his own career's coattails for most of his life at this point.People only pretend to like his movies because they think it makes them look like some sort of film connoisseur.
>>746616196>cultured, civilized and empatheticfrom the ultra violence director
>>746617040because retards, anon
>>746616196>my attention span is stuck in the 100 year old paradigm of 90 minutes of constant shock valueOk boomer.
>>746616196I've interacted with a lot more cultures and civilizations playing dumb shit online with retards from random foreign backwaters than I ever did watching retarded hollywood slopand unlike cinema I got an authentic experience of those cultures, not a filtered simulacrum carefully staged to convey a messageI've argued with some dude in azjerbajan about donut fillings, listened to a genuine african tribesman bitch about bow hunting, had a long discussion with a vietnamese college activist about the vietnam war, and ironically had to try and explain pull fiction to a japanese guy who wasn't sure how realistic it was for Americagenuine cultural exchangedirectino can go suck a toe
>>746616196There might not be games that surpass the works of some of the greatest filmmakers of all time, but there are definitely games with far more artistic value than his movies.
>>746616428No one made Tarantino the media tastemaker. He needs to stick to talking about TV and movies, and he still has questionable takes in that sphere. I say this as a massive fan. He has the right type of autism to dissect movies, but he has no authority with videogames, he has outright said he isn't interested in them.>>746617219Anything creative is art, and videogames have an additional interaction requirement that needs to be crafted.
>>746616196>talks about being “cultured”>makes action shlock while he licks feetI like his films, but that’s the most pretentious shit ever
>>746616369But why don't you care about the opinion of fags on internet or irl?! Don't you need them to validate your opinions and thoughts?!
couldn't care less about the opinions of a retard that's never played an actual good game like germs, harvester or kwarurarirubut enough about this entire board
>>746618445> medium that carefully crafts a specific story moment by moment with control over every pixel and soundwave is better at conveying a story in a controlled way than a medium that creates an area for the player to enjoy his own unique and emergent stories and experiencesI have watched some very memorable films, and I have had some very memorable gameplay sessions. It's a pretty straightforward of comparing apples and oranges by the metrics of how "applish" they are and declaring that apples are therefor better.
>>746616369I don't even think about whether something is art or not, it's insecure and juvenile to do so aside from being completely arbitrary regardless of whatever criteria you use to determine that.Moreover, I don't think that consuming any form of media has ever made anyone more "empathetic" or more inclined to act one way or another towards others unless we're talking about very unusual circumstances. There are several reasons for that but I don't feel like typing a whole short story to explain.
>>746616196Tarantino confuses style with actual substance. He seems to think that good dialogue and stylish cinematography are enough to make something art, but his films lack any real depth. So either he knows this and can't pull it off, or he just doesn't know what he's talking about.
I'll never understand why pseud fags keep trying to compare videogames to books or movies.It's a completely different fucking dimension, it's like comparing a car to a song.
I don't see how Tarantino hiring former crooks to help screenwrite is any more artistic than say, Rockstar doing so.
>>746618479>People only pretend to like his movies because they think it makes them look like some sort of film connoisseurWhat’s funny is actual film snobs think that his movies are only one step above cape shit. He’s mostly there so Redditors and other normalfags can feel cultured, same with Nolan slop.
>>746619396Because modern video games are made by failed screenwriters who wanted to make movies and now spend their time insisting that games are the same thing
how many posts until the chatbot thread realizes the quote is from ebert
>>746618445i can name as many games as you want but you'll never concede no matter what
>>746619405What directors have style AND substance?
>>746618445I couldnt name a Tarantino movie that would qualify as art or cultural either
>>746619438There are others besides Kojima?
>>746616196Well, Monsieur Tarantino. I sink zat you are wrong.
>>746616196>More cultured, civilized and empatheticHe can't possibly be including his own movie as pursuing the ideal can he?
>>746619491Without getting into niche stuff Kubrick, Terry Gilliam, early Ridley Scott movies...
>>746616196>a game worthy of comparison with the great dramatists, poets, filmmakers, novelists and composerstetrisnext question
>>746616196Clearly, the plebeian has never experienced Fire N’ Ice.
>>746616196This dude has multiple hours of recordings where he talks about Italian titty movies. I don't think that makes anyone more "empathetic" or civilized. Cultured, maybe. Arguably. Cultured in the same way playing all the Rance games makes you cultured.
>>746618445Slay the Princess is what I would consider art, visually, narratively and thematically.>inb4 it's not a game
>>746619491/ourguy/
>>746616196>precious hours we have available to make ourselves more cultured, civilized and empathetic.Really? Tarantino movies pumps me up and makes me feel less civilized and empathetic. I want to be as cool as The Bride and cut motherfuckers up.
>>746619954He said as he cuts his cock off.
>>746620001I just want to bite the tongue of rapists womanizers.
based scorcese
>>746617040No one playing a video game gives a shit about the heckin programming.
>>746619396>completely different fucking dimensionVaguepost because you don't actually know anything, it's not even correct. A video game is a medium for artistic expression, the same as films, books, stage plays, the canvas, et cetera, et cetera, they're much closer to films in combining multiple forms of expression. There are exactly two types of people who think it doesn't count, out of touch boomers who lump all games in the bing bing wahoo category based purely on surface level impressions, and retards who can't think for themselves and take the word of others as gospel because they equate greying hair with wisdom.Art is the act of evoking thought and emotion through an artist's expression upon some sort of medium.
>>746619847Rance is definitely a man of culture. Have you ever asked him about his collection of shells?
>>746616196Maybe if he ventured outside AAAslop he'd find something.People said the same shit about films back in the day you know.
>>746620335It's never been truer about films even now, the insane budget mega blockbusters all flop because they're derivative trash written by talentless, underqualified hacks and the the only interesting movies coming out are made by small studios or individual people that would starve to death otherwise.Just like games
>>746616196i'd at least consider that opinion if it came from someone like Lynch (which i don't think he would agree with that). But HIM of all people? kek
>>7466165508th post best post
>>746616196Very accurate since all dedicated gamers are completely clueless when it comes about cinema, books, painting and other forms of art or culture.
>>746620878Stop projecting yourself onto others.
>>746619491Sam Peckinpah is great. His movies can often have as much violence and edge as Tarantino’s junk, except they’re actually good. Watch the Wild Bunch if you like westerns, Red Dead Redemption took quite a bit from it. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia is also an underrated neo western from him.
>>746616196He's right. Games are nothing but products designed to have vague entretainment.The only people that pretend otherwise are autists coping over fact they've wasted their best years obsessing over toys.They're no different from a hardcore marvelfag trying to argue that capeshit is actually art.
>>746619378Reminds me of this.
>>746620995Tell is about your artistic knowledge then. What are your favorite books? And movie?
>>746620878That cuts both ways, filmmakers, novelists and painters are often clueless about video games. Even people dedicated to any particular medium won't have consumed every single piece in that medium. There's too much for one person to experience in a single lifetime if they dedicated all their time to trying. The actual argument is whether or not there are any good games out there, and /v/'s verdict is often a resounding no on the matter.
>>746616196He's a feet fetishit His opinion on anything is completely irrelevantHe has fungus for brains
>>746621175>Games are nothing but products designed to have vague entretainment.Same goes for films, they're just cheap stage plays to entertain the masses.
>>746616196This guy acts like he rejects gaming, yet he spent his entire career filming women's feet and giving himself cameos as an excuse to yell the n-word. He's basically a /v/irgin without any actual gaming cred... on second thought, he's exactly a /v/irgin.
>>746616196Girl feet have a nice umami taste
>>746621336Films have both, and so do books. The issue is that you only watch slop
>>746616196This guy got to lick the sweat off Margot Robbie's feet.
>>746621486Nah, films are just slop. Stage plays are real art. Actually no scratch that, stage plays are just cheap novels for peasants who can't read. No, no wait, now I see, all art is just an aid for people who can't have profound thoughts on their own.
Look at this and tell me art isn't real
This sounds like pretentious media bias; not long ago the same thing would have been said of film vs theatrical productions. I'm curious if he counts his own media as in the "greats" and where he draws the line - is it a>We've never had a game that can equal Ulysses or Citizen Kane sort of thing, or is it more that even a great-but-not-generationally-exceptional film is "better" vs a game in similar status. The argument about wasting time you could be spend bettering yourself from a cultural standpoint is almost always horseshit, though. Putting aside that gameplay can be enriching, most alternative media people would be enjoying instead be it movies/TV or books is not going to be specifically for what some would define as "cultured,civilized, and empathetic" in this context. As far as "games as art" I think its pretty obvious that they've reached similar levels in both visual and storytelling experiences as film/TV. I mean, even most of the classic JRPGs easily compete with a deeper narrative. Multiple Squaresoft, Enix , Quintet and a variety of other titles even going back to the SNES / Genesis days would qualify. That's before getting into the enrichment or immersion that only games can provide, such as MMOs that unveil a story while players work together at a large scale over long time, like EverQuest, or even single player games like Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Planescape Torment, and many more
>>746621239Most people that are into actual cinema usually also enjoy a good book, music of thearher representation.They aren't as obsessively restricted as gamers.
>>746616196>To my knowledgewell you are a retard so there is thateven the most basic games are closer to complete work of art than anything a movie ever approached and thats just a fact by the definition of Richard Wagners Idea of total work of art. Games have everything movies have plus interactivity.
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>>746621216The Canterbury Tales and Amadeus, especially since I graduated as a music major, makes it even more hilarious.
>>746621602>my medium is pure slop, so that means everything else is slopSpoke like a true gamer. Oh well at least, unlike many, you’re self-aware. But you’re still projecting your slop enjoyment onto other mediums as a form of self-defense. No different from a thief who tells himself everyone else is also stealing.
>>746616196art has always existed to serve the artist, not the viewer. fart-huffing drama class fucking retards always get this backwards. liking it is a byproduct of the artist being good at what they do
>>746621713>obsessively restricted as gamers The general implication of course being that we are? I'm not, I've consumed at least a little of all kinds of mediums, its why I figured out that the commonality is that they are all mediums for expression. The argument that "X isn't art, but Y is" is simply at its core gatekeeping because the shallow artiste is more concerned about the prestige of being an artiste than whittling away reality through expression until the only thing we are left with is something as close to absolute truth as we can attain. It's that simple.
>>746616314Because he's truly a man of culture, like myself.
all he does is make goreslop and his characters say nigger, it's not even like he branches out that muchI like him but this is a low IQ nigger takethere is value in all forms of media, especially games. and now many are far better at storytelling than shitty movies
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>>746616196>But for most gamers, video games represent a loss of those precious hours we have available to make ourselves more cultured, civilized and empathetic.i do like his movies but everytime he makes an analysis about an artsy film he ALWAYS gets everything wrong or calls it pretentious.So i'm pretty sure that he's not the right person to talk about art or culture when he clearly doesn't understand what that means.>>746619378>>He seems to think that good dialogue and stylish cinematography are enough to make something art, but his films lack any real depthI remember watching a video where he claimed that real movies are supposed to be shot on film rather than digital, while nearly every other major filmmaker disagreed with him. It just goes to show that he doesn't realize filmmaking is simply the medium of expression, not the art itself. He's a fool
>>746619457The thread will lock and the oceans will run dry before then.>>746620496A lot of modern films (and games) seem to fail the "Gesamtkunstwerk" test. There's so many mandates, retards, committees and contradicting decisions involved that you can no longer honestly state that you are consooming a single piece of art even by the standards of a collaborative medium.>>746621852>>746621893The key is not in possessing many works of art, the key is the synthesis thereof. Modern asset flip slop still isn't art and modern movies where retards need to work backwards from random actor demands and top-down powerpoint presentations aren't art either.
>>746619457You ruined it
>>746621852The interactive part ends up working against it because it's the only one bound by logic and you can only have so many logical configurations unlike the other parts. You can say I love you in a script in many different contexts but once fps games and 3d platformers are codified it's like the same shit every time. What's worse is that to be an actual good game and not a movie most of the focus has to be on these very repetitive motions that are frankly very shallow, even in the games that people claim to have depth. The only ones that are probably still alright are the ones that came first because we marvel at the original attempts in synthesizing an interactive audiovisual experience without any guidelines, and then the emergent qualities of multiplayer games after man vs code has been exhausted
>>746616196Well I don't think there's ever been a movie worthy of comparison with Don Quixote, does that mean I can disregard the entire medium?
>>746616196He's wrong but /v/'s counterarguements are so fucking retarded, fallacious, and pedantic. You can tell the average IQ here is plummeting and we are infested by the underage/barely-of-age and the third-world. Calling them midwits would be a compliment.Here is the blunt truth:Art is not defined by a medium, nor is defined by quality.And, no, programming isn't an art. It's a process to produce potential art, like metal-working or recording. And "art" is sometimes used as craft or practice (i.e marital art, the art of comedy, art of war) but erringly mistook as production of artwork. It's a second confusing meaning for the word. Art =/= goodArt =/= importantArt =/= emotionalArt =/= natureArt =/= effort
>>746616550He's really good at writing characters just talking to one another. His movies are really quotable but I've yet to see a movie of his that is something more than senseless violence and dark humor. I like his movies but they are far from the best movies ever
>>746616550ok thats enough internet for today muhamad
>>746627690And if you think "XYZ has pictures/sounds therefore its art", you are even more retarded than I previously thought.Because the components of something do not dictate its intention. Medical books have drawings, news footage has films, alarm clocks have music, etc. Etc.You want to consider the elements in isolation? Fine.But if you want to pretend their existence is a determination of the whole? No.Art isn't some biological virus that infects and spreads. If anything, it's the most static thing in the world (not your interpretation of it, dumbass)
>>746621175>saying this on /v/Why are you even here then
>>746616196Notch made billions from video game industry with Minecraft and it became instant classic for all generation.It mogged all of this pseud's shitty flicks
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>>746616196Ok, but then again 99% of movies are retarded plots, explosions and occasionally titties.
Each art that is an amalgamation of previous forms is degraded compared to the original as they need more to show less.
>>746616462Mispronouncing a name doesn’t really mean all that much.
>>746630470You'd be right if the art was making itself.
>>746630594The more artists involved, the more diluted the intention becomes.
>/v/ is still falling for the baitNever change, /v/
>>746619847Ironically, SR is art in a way that movies can't be, in that games can draw you in and tell you something about yourself. Case in point, tolerating having a gay pedo around because he's one of the better units of his class. You might object that it doesn't matter because it's just a game, but by the same token winning doesn't matter since it's just a game. The stakes are scaled down, but you can still notice things about how you make decisions.Games can just do subjectivity in a way that movies can't because with movies you're always an outsider looking in and judging, even if you empathize with some of the characters.
>>746618445easily SOMAits the only game that utilizes video games to their fullest potential as a medium
>>746616196Why does he hate Paul Dano?
>>746616196Why does he permanently have that frown
