Not really sure why this game gets jerked off over when the story is super linear and you get no choices. You don't want to be the nerevarine? That's too bad! It's no different than Skyrim forcing you to be the dragonborn
>>746624571It had a deep combat and magic system. It did not hold your hand and tell you where to go. You had to explore and learn about the world. You could become a god by the end, or not.
>>746624571
>>746624973>It had a deep combat and magic systemlol
>>746624571Then ignore the main story.
its one of those games fellated by terminally online faggots who hate actually playing video games so they can just spend their entire life online trying to steer discourse around these turds while people who dislike these turds just move on to play games they actually enjoy
>>746624571So true. Total lack of choices. The game forces me to be in Morrowind. What if I don't want that? Too bad. You aren't leaving Vvardenfell. Won't let me pick anything but Elder Scrolls races as well. Want to play as an Aasimar? Too bad! Want to play as a Ring Wraith? NOPE. Literally no choices
>>746625259And yet here you are
>>746625169>>746625069I'm not a morrowmid fan>>746625217>THEN JUST DON'T PLAY THE MAIN QUEST LINE LOLSo it's dogshit?
>>746625275This. So called "Morrowind" is nothing but a locked-down little walled garden where so-called "Todd" has his way with you and forces you to fuck khajiitas. It's disgusting and insane, and I've had just about enough. Don't even get me started about the so-called "Tamriel Rebuilt" mod.
>>746625332>So it's dogshit?No.
>>746625275Nice strawman gay ass nigga
>>746625381Todd doesn't let you fuck Khajiits because he hogs them all for himself
>>746625202Retard, let me explain it to you.See in the past we did not have the tech we have now. For the time it was revolutionary.Compared to oblivion, or skyrim the combat is better in morrowind. It is not as pretty for your slopped out brain, but it was better mechanically since you can "miss" or have an attack "blocked" there just were not animations for this.
Its ok to be gay op, its 2026.
>>746625553>There was just not animations for thisThat's the biggest problem with it
>>746625568OP looking zesty
I might take dicks up my ass, but that doesn't make morrowind any less linear
>>746625658It's linear?
>>746625710The main quest is just as linear as skyrim is, but morrowind fans (larpers) pretend it isn't because some youtuber told them so
>>746625658Woah gay
>>746625805Woah reddit
>>746625804And that's it's defining fault? That makes it unplayable?
>the story is super linear and you get no choicesSo?>You don't want to be the nerevarine? That's too bad! So?!That's the story the game is telling. Not every game ever has to be a CHOOSE YOUR OWN ADVENTURE with a good/evil meter that does absolutely fucking nothing but change a single line of dialog in the ending cutscene. It's like getting mad at a book because you can't choose how it ends.
>>746624571>You don't want to be the nerevarine? That's too bad!Is there a game that lets you choose between being the chosen one/keeping your special powers or rejecting your destiny/throwing away your powers? I've already played Pathfinder WOTR so don't mention that.
>>746625918It makes it overrated. Every main quest in every elder scrolls game is so linear, the only other option you get is to ignore it. Objectively dogshit design
>>746624571Because alchemy was broken and you can hover walk across the map, I guess
>>746625987>SO?!?!Yeah, who cares about quest design in an rpg? Rpgs should be about frolicking around, picking up mushroom circumcisions to make magic potions! How quaint!
>>746626027Does that apply to other games outside of elder scrolls that have linear main quests?
>>746626153If they have a similar reputation to morrowind, I'd say so. Morrowind is put on a pedestal as the pinnacle of rpgs when it has a linear story
>>746624571>You don't want to be the nerevarine? That's too bad!It's left ambiguous. Goddamn the main quest has filtered so many brainlets.
>>746626226Good RPGs can't have a linear story?
>>746626261Ambiguous plot threads impress brainlets
>>746626268I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm saying if people didn't pretend morrowind was the deepest rpg of all time then I wouldn't really care. You can't make a claim like that when the main quest doesn't even allow you to side with dagoth
One of the first good Xbox games after 6 months of Halo
>>746626451So no one is allowed to like it?
>>746624571>MUH STOHREEEEEEdoesn't fucking matter in a videogame, tertiary nigger, only gameplay does, and the gameplay is morrowind is PEAK, which is why you will never get it, because you are a stupid fucking tertiary nigger, kill your fucking self
>>746626671>Story in a game doesn't matterThe last cope of the copeless. People who say this are retarded. So apparently, according to you, Saints Row 2022 is a serviceable game
>>746626849>ball and gun shit is serviceableshalom on your retarded straw,an pilpul, hymiegameplay is all that matters. period. fullstop. end of. simple as. QED.
>>746626849>Saints Row 2022 is a serviceable gameLOLLMAO
>>746626898>>ball and gun shit is serviceableNo that game is literal dogshit. But story doesn't matter, so that game could be good. Also use less buzzwords, your shit's all retarded and you sound like a fag
>>746626671Kek, its not 1992 grandpa. We're not playing some dogshit platformer on an NES. We have standards now
>>746626941I thought Morrowind fans liked reading quest logs or whatever, so I'm surprised your reading comprehension is that bad. Obviously Saints Row 2022 is bad, that's my point. But if story doesn't matter, all your left with is the gameplay. Which is still bad, mind you. But I bring that game up because it's the perfect counterpoint to 'story doesn't matter' retardation. Nobody actually believes that
>>746626974Low goyim cattle standards
>>746626898>straw,an pilpul, hymiemorrowind tranny had such a meltdown, his thin wrists were shaking uncontrollably and he couldn't even type that out properly... SAD!
>>746624571The different between TES games and actually linear railroaded games like the majority of CRPGs, is that TES games actually give you the autonomy to go anywhere at the start."Real RPGs" are often structured into acts or you cant really progress past where the story allows. The difference is that CRPGs and some WRPGs give you a dialogue box that results in different outcomes and endings for quests and for the game in question.TES games are rather linear in their actual quest structure. But the nice part about them is that you're given the freedom to roleplay what you want by actually being able to choose what to do.Want to be a mage and nothing else? You can immediately go to the mages guild and join them and only focus on mage related tasks and factions. You can completely ignore other factions or the main quest and the game will not be any worse because of it. That's literally impossible in the majority of CROPGs or WROGs where your character is defined and the narrative is more structured and railroaded.It's why Bethesda games are still relatively unique, and why TES games still don't really have any real clones.
>>746624571Old man here:The alure of these old games is that they have the balls to make a lvl 1 character suck giant dick, so growth feels meaningfull. This is pretty much 100% gone from modern beth games.Also, and boomers will hate this, but games used to be pretty shit and jank and a lot of the alure of that era was not only were you fighting an enemy, you were also fighting the game.
>>746627035If you're going to try and counter saying gameplay is the most important over story, you should actually choose a game with good gameplay as an example otherwise you just look like an idiot.
>>746626268Unironically no. RPGs should be entirely systems-driven like M&B and Kenshi. Relying on pre-written scenarios is a design dead end.Players in a tabletop RPG are constrained by the social contract of respecting the GM's preparation, but in return they get the benefit of a thinking, creative human being who will moderate things for them.Computer RPGs lack both the benefit of the latter and the constraints of the former. Yet the former constraints are always built-in regardless. Video games should play to their own strengths.
>>746624571True. Skyrim is actually fun to play so it's much better
>>746624571you had to be thereyou'll never be able to understanddon't worry that you weren't there though, you'll just have different experiences than people that witnessed morrowind!
I'm tired of games whose reputation is propped up by ecelebs. Morrowind was an attempt at an action rpg with some of the worst action seen in gaming, and an attempt at rpg with some of the most broken and nonfunctional rpg mechanics ever. It was one of the first open worlds, a genre universally despised by people who know better, and it was a terrible one at that (is an empty husk of a world outside of the cities; relies entirely upon often wrong street directions; has abysmal character speed). Don't even get me started on the quests.But because it has flying and allows you to craft spells (i.e. you can make 5 variations of damage darts that are functionally equivalent and no better than what you get by default) and because it's the third entry in a series that eventually produced one of the most popular games of all time, it has become hip amongst teenagers who want to act contrarian and put on a "I'm not like the other children" act. Shit on what's popular, overrate garbage from 20 years ago just because its old. I think this is a disservice to gaming, because it will lead uninformed and naive people who give morrowind a shot to form the completely wrong opinion that all older games / rpgs were bad. No, it's just morrowind that sucks. Shift to fps rpgs and suddenly the games hold up without need for 12 hour whiny essays: strife, system shock 2, deus ex.But you know what? Liking morrowind is fine! You just need to stop claiming it's one of the greatest rpgs of all time and you need to stop throwing stones in a glass house: shut the fuck up about skyrim. Because if skyrim is dogshit, morrowind is —at best— dogfood. >inb4 food analogy
>>746627576it's fine that you weren't thereyou just live a different life due to different circumstancesstop fretting about it, they're not out to hurt you
>>746627576You came into my glass house and threw stones like a nigger, then tell me not to throw stones? Jewish double nigger
>>746627576Trvke
>>746624571>resets your xbox in your path
>>746624571>You don't want to be the nerevarine? That's too bad!This unironically btfos all the retards demanding that you be locked out of doing multiple guilds in skyrim for the sake of 'role-playing'
>>746627357>autismo comes up with arbitrary rules and demands everything conform to themTiresome.
>>746627278Last of us 2 then
>>746627576He speaks the truth
>>746628082he is sandwiched by truth
>>746627576>Don't even get me started on the quests.All Morrowind quests are more engaging than Oblivion and Skyrim quests by default because of the journal directions. And BECAUSE Morrowind is a first-person open-world game, it can have more complex directions than top-down CRPGs.Whereas in other RPGs it would be "go to [location]", with MAYBE a little extra "southeast of [other location]", Morrowind can have directions like "Go south and walk up to that funny-looking tree. Now turn left. Keep walking until you see a mound to your right. The entrance is on the other side of the mound. If you see a bunch of rocks then you've walked too far."
>>746628110There is truth in what you said as well. But surely even you acknowledge there is an epidemic of larpers who watch a youtube video about Morrowind and then they say it's their favorite game without even touching it
>>746627915If you want me to spell it out for you, I'm strictly describing ways that facilitate ROLE-PLAY, the thing that ROLE-PLAYING GAMES should be about. If you want braindead moviegames or glorified CYOA books then what I'm saying obviously doesn't apply.
>>746628191there might be?i don't really watch streamers or let's plays or whatever eceleb stuff is being talked aboutkinda not my realm
Can I get an example of a game that lets you do anything you ever want, no restrictions?
>>746627576Holy based
>>746625553>See in the past we did not have the tech we have now. For the time it was revolutionary.More than 80% of the posters here aren't capable of understanding that at all btw
>>746628295roblox
>>746628295No game does. But an RPG should let you side with the bad guy, or progress the main story some other way without just ignoring it
>>746628295koikatsu
>>746628295Skyrim with mods
>>746628295Rimworld to a degree?
>>746628362That's a set-in-stone requirement?
>>746628295Dwarf Fortress
>>746628396I'd say it's a fair expectation to have
>>746627357>every game should be KenshiHoly fuck shut up you gigantic faggot. You dont even have a point youre just being an autistic smarmy idiot
>>746628362>RPG should let you side with the bad guywhy?>progress the main story some other way without just ignoring itwhy?
>>746628425>every gameYou're a fucking moron, kill yourself, shut the fuck up
>>746624571But I didn't want to be the Nerevarine and so I didn't follow the main quest. I left and went and did whatever I wanted.
>>746628423I agree anon, devs should just make basically two campaigns in every single game. That's actually so based, you're so smart.
>>746628435What do you mean why? RPG stands for role playing game. The choices your character would make are just as relevant to that as the way you spec your character
>>746628498Why does any of that matter?
>>746628496There's literally no reason you shouldn't be allowed to side with Dagoth-Ur
>>746624571You have the choice to kiss Crassius Curio.
>>746624571I beat the game recently and it was alright but nothing special.
>>746628543Maybe we just have different preferences. There's no way for me to word it differently
>>746628559He's a lovecraftian entity that controls all his followers through a hive mind. He wants to turn you into a slave too anon.
>>746628543>Why does any of that matter?Fluoride stare response
>>746628609More like different realizations about the reality of what games can do.
>>746628639Considering he treats you like his butt-buddy, it should've been a viable path in my opinion
>>746624571>when the story is super linear and you get no choicesas if that's what makes Morrowind good, lol
>>746628719I don't think he takes much stock in the actual prophecy, he even asks you at the end if you're really serious.
>>746627818>the retards demanding that you be locked out of doing multiple guilds in skyrim for the sake of 'role-playing'Those people are so retarded. I mean I get what they're trying to say, but the should word it differently. Because the way they say it, they just make it sound like they want less options.
>>746627915That's like 90% of the discourse on this board lmao
>>746624571Yes the game is overrated. The world is interesting but super repetitive and ugly, the gameplay is atrocious, the story is forgettable, most quests are linear as you said.Yes the game has a deeper, more complex RPG system, and people like to pretend Morrowind was the last great TES but it's wrong. Daggerfall is better. Oblivions is more entertaining. Skyrim is mindless fun and has great immersion. Morrowind has nothing.
>>746629310>daggerfall is betterWay to reveal your hand.
>>746624571If you don't do the main quest you don't become the NerevarineAre you retarded?
>>746629310>"Daggerfall is better.">someone who hasn't played Daggerfall might genuinely believe this
>>746624571Sigh, you wouldn't understand. It's the complete package and still does things better than many modern AAA games.
>>746629310Daggerfall has a lot of cool ideas that could be interesting if ported into a functional game but saying its better than what came after is just delusional.
>>746630009ignoring the main quest is an option but it's not a good one
>>746630491?You're complaining about not wanting to be the nerevarine when the main quest is about becoming the nerevarine, therefore you can avoid becoming the nerevarine by not doing the main quest.Your logic is retarded. What next, gonna shut your pants because in Oblivion you have to help Jauffre?
>>746624973>It had a deep combat and magic systemDelusional>>746627576>Liking morrowind is fine! You just need to stop claiming it's one of the greatest rpgs of all time and you need to stop throwing stones in a glass houseThis
>>746630835I won't shut my pants don't worry anon. But oblivion has an even worse main quest because at the end you get sidelined by the actual main character who makes the big sacrifice and blah blah blah. At least in morrowind you're the main character. I'm just saying, the level of main questline linearity is the same as skyrim
>>746627576>abysmal character speedWhat? Travelling in Morrowind is arguably even faster than the later games with fast travel since with boats/guilds/silt striders you can effectively fast travel to places you haven't even been yet and a couple decent spells can have you zooming around the map
>>746627201Sounds like you gotta tolerate a lot of annoyances before you actually have fun. Good thing its not normal anymore.
>>746631221Yeah you're basically superman with Scrolls of Windwalker and boots boots of blinding speed
>>746624571I was actually really invested in the main quest but the ending was really underwhelming. And I was also disappointed at how linear it mostly was and the quests themselves most of the time are not that fun either. I still enjoyed the game overall though, I definitely liked it more than Oblivion.
What I liked about Morrowind the only time I played it in late 2010s or early 2020s is that the setting feels more mature than later entries. Racism, slavery, noble politics, imperialism are all presented in a way I can totally see existing in real life. In Skyrim and Oblivion, all politicking and xenophobia feels childish.
>>746627576True
