What went right, nioh bros?
very little
>>746640731>Wo long shillDisgusting
What went right is that it’s Nioh but admittedly I had to force myself through the last 15% to beat it because it felt like busy work at that point.
>>746640514nothing?
>>746640514Some of the bosses were alright I guess
Feels easy and like the enemies aren't aggressive enough. Dunno maybe i got just too good after 300 hours of nioh 2.
>>746641136Nah, it's definitely easier, not even the new yokai have counters for jump attacks.Got all achievements, beat the dlc, went back to 2 instead of starting ng+.
>>746640514That power up form instead of lame demon mode.Love it.
Certainly not the Hoko & Shield.Samurai Hoko is boring but effective enough with so many guard points in nearly everything.Ninja Hoko is boring and sucks.
How was the new DLC? Should I play it now or wait for both parts to be released?
>>746640514Nothing. Open world and 2 different styles were a mistake. Not giving this shit a 2nd chance even after all the DLCs.
>>746641335I like the shield surf martial art, it's fun.
>>746641389Level design was alright, the Yubei fight was pretty kino. That's pretty much it.
>>746640514The deflection system and some QoL additions, I guess.
>>746640514There's no ethereal stuff yet, right?I went through the DLC quickly, but somehow can't be bothered to play the game again on enlightened one difficulty for now.
>>746641609>There's no ethereal stuff yet, rightNot yet, no
I found a key for 30 euros. Is it worth it? I played both 1 and 2.
flopioh losted bigly and the dlc has less content than any nioh 1 dlc
>>746640514I'm just not sure why I should care when Nioh and Nioh 2 exist and already provide infinite replay? Why should I pay more money to play a slightly worse game?
>>746640514>2 ultimates and dual mastery on a scrollI won
>base difficulty is too easy>stone of penance make everything a damage sponge>stone of penance +3 or above make it so you die in 3 hits or 1 single grab attackGranted, this is not anything new but still...
>>746641728>>stone of penance +3 or above make it so you die in 3 hits or 1 single grab attackCouldn't be me
>>746641228Damn so it really just wasn't me. What a shame. Im sure the 2nd dlc will be better atleast. If not I always got their other games like sop or wolong. Hell could even go back to nioh 2.
>>746641609bumrushing main missions takes no time at all but yeah enlightened is filler difficulty
>>746641728Is the jump from +2 to +3 really that big? I'm only on +2 right now and most grabs only do like 10% of my HP bar, max
>>746641681No, that is easy shit, but as a omnyo mage I won
>>746641784It's really refreshing, started a new save and got my ass handed to me by Yatsu several times again.
>>746641728You a light armor ninja or something?
>switch wo long day after tomorrowWhat dlc weapon should I use? Is long sword like odachi?
I loved Nioh 1 and specially 2, cant believe I feelcso indifferent about Nioh 3, just finished once ane never touched it again. In fact, I consider Wo Long to be the worst Nioh-like (still worth playing), and Im more excited for Wo Long 2 than for Nioh 3 DLCs, at least Wo Long 2 seems to put emphasis on aerial combat, so at least they seem to be learning from some mistakes
it was too easy, and open world was boring
>>746640514Everything except the priceI don't know why the game is that fucking expensive
>>746641609Yes, but only scrolls.
I know 2 has hot character creation. How pozzed is this shit with modern KT?
>>746641952All true nioh fans hated 2 and red attacks.I still remember first month threads
Nioh 3 feels okay to me but Nioh 2 was just released at such a perfect time I don't think lightning will ever strike twice again>COVID lockdowns happened again so my job let me work from home 4 days a week>best friend was joining the military and had 2 weeks off to do whatever>all content dropped at once so I could run through the NG+ difficulties instantlyNioh 3 is good but all I want to do is run the abyss.
>>746641842No. I am nearly invincible on +7, though my damage stinks. My armor isn't even +30.>>746642020Ethereal scrolls were cheated in and spread via coop, TN is removing them.
>>746642050I don't mind red attacks, and 2 is the best in the series. Actually it's the best game TN made, and nothing will come close
>>746642185tourist
>>746642103where does it say that?
>>746642236https://x.com/nioh_game/status/2093216500199145479
2 > 3
>>746640514I had to force myself to switch between both samurai and ninja constantly and treat both my weapon choices as "one weapon" to actually start enjoying the game. Stick with one style or the other and something will feel myself. But of course, there's no lie in saying that Nioh 3 is kinda different just for the case of being different.
>>746642264>mfw had a full ethereal build since launch
>>746642307something will feel missing*
1 > 2 > 3
2 > 3 > 1
3 > 1 > 2
2 > 1 > 3
>>746641581the deflection system is too strong and trivializes most of the fights.
>>746641136Deflect, backstab bonus and guardian skills are just too busted.
2 > 1&3
>>746641952Wo long was weird. I didn't really know what I was doing but bosses would just explode most of the time as long as I didn't die to a red. Strange game.
>>746642050Link them
>>746641661No DLC will ever be as anemic as Defiant Honor
>>746641136my F tier eceleb has debunked thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFw7l9QCS4M
>>746640514Uhhhh honestly nothing. Anywho I am solo grinding Abyss. 300 more floors to go.
>>746640514I can't stop using the surfing movethe new weapon actually made Ninja mode fun
>>746641949Yeah, I'm light armor on both Samurai and Ninja. Been grinding to get heavier equipment with the same set but no luck so far.
>>746641728I'm only on +1 so far but most enemies don't feel like damage sponge at all, though they can destroy my healthbar in like 2 swipes
>>746642050>I still remember first month threadsWhen casuals had no clue what they were doing, you fucking casual?
>>746641136The enemy placement itself is just ungodly in N3, presenting yoki at times as major enemies even past the ten hour point for some insane reason. I dropped my NG+ run pretty quickly back at release when there were hardly any differences at some enemy camps except a handful of fodder yokai>>746641638It's okay. If you've finished N1&2 including DLCs and REALLY want more, you should check it out. Otherwise it's one of the more 6-7/10s of the year.
>>746641136The enemies are just as aggressive as they used to be, they just do a bit less damage especially later on. Nioh 1/2 endgame revolved around running quick change scrolls or protection talisman (or both) and getting one shot any time you make a mistake but you get to keep playing because of quick change. In Nioh 3 that playstyle was removed and instead enemies kill you in 3-ish hits instead. It's not strictly better or worse, it's different. But these games attract lots of retards who will burst into tears the moment they buy the game and see that it's not literally Nioh2.exe sold to them again.
>>746643408>they're wrong because hypotheticals about players and NG, and go play on NG+Infinite with Stone+67
>>746641661The DLC has more playable space than all Nioh 1 DLC put together, with better level design, and you are a lying retard who didn't play it. It has 2 new weapons, 1 for each style, and 3 new boss fights. The only area where it actually lacks is new guardian spirits because there's only one new ninja spirit.
>>746643908>and 3 new boss fightsThat's kinda low for 1 out of 2 DLCs
>>746640514>ni(gger)ohWo Long 2 can't come soon enough
>>746643776>The enemies are just as aggressive as they used to be,As someone who completed N2 right before N3 I can confirm that you're full of shit. N3 enemies feel lethargic in comparison to most N2 ones.
>>746644035A DLC in Nioh 1 or 2 mostly had two new boss fights each, and sometimes three. For example the first DLC for Nioh 2 had Benkei and Yoshitsune, and that was it. The second DLC had more than usual with Tsuchigumo, Yorimitsu, and Lightning Gods. The third DLC again only had two new boss fights with Tate Eboshi and Nightmare Bringer.
>>746643776>The enemies are just as aggressive as they used to beFactually incorrect. Go fight an Itsumade in both games and you'd feel the difference immediately. Also enemies in 3 are programmed to be A LOT more passive if they aren't the one actively attacking you, which lead to a lot of chasing around when you're surrounded and want to finish off some weaker enemies first.
>>746644389It's great that you can confirm your word is worth less than dirt because it's objectively not true that Nioh 1/2 enemies attack more. You can literally fight the same enemies in each game and see that they are the same. Try it with Karasu Tengu, one of the more constantly aggressive enemies. He is not as much of a threat in Nioh 3 because deflect fucks him up. But he attacks with the same rate of aggression.
>>746644429Now there are 2 dlcs for the price of 3 so they should be bigger, not have 2 bosses plus element-swapped magara naotaka
>>746644429>For example the first DLC for Nioh 2 had Benkei and Yoshitsune, and that was itYou forgot Uminyudo. Also Nue, which wasn't exactly a new boss but at least it wasn't recycled from base Nioh 2. The 2nd and 3rd DLCs had 5 and 4 new bosses respectively
>>746644429>DLC1 : Benkei, Uminyudo, Yoshitsune, reused Nue (if you want to compare to Giant Toad), so literally same count as Nioh 3 DLC>DLC2 :Yorimitsu, Tsuchigumo, Ashiya Doman, Lightning Gods, Ren Haybusa, reused Giant Toad, reused Shuten Doji variant, so higher count than Nioh 3 DLC>DLC3 : Pants Otakemaru variant, Tate Eboshi, Nightmare Bringer, fucking Kukai, fucking Ancient Nyotengu, again, higher countNow let's talk Nioh 1 DLCs>DLC1 : Date Shigezane, Shigenaga loser, Date Masamune, Maria, more new bosses than Nioh 3 DLC 1 although Shigenaga is whatever>DLC2 : Sasuke, Sanada Yukimura, Sasaki Kojiro although Kojiro is whatever, so Nioh 3's DLC wins over there>DLC3 : Onmoraki, Hideyori, Nine-Tailed Fox, Mysterious Samurai / Shima Sakon variant, Jin Hayabusa, so higher countAnd that's excluding the fact that one (or two, really) of the new bosses in Nioh 3's DLC are just Magara Naotaka. Considering you pay x3 the amount of money for this DLC, there's no excuse.
>>746643408>coping monkey denying reality and claiming he is a "deity"
The new Sword and Shield is utter kino.I am loving it so fucking much. And the two last sword and shield models...? Utter perfection.Easily my new favorite weapon by far.
What graces/sets should I be using in NG+ for Samurai? On the face of it only Inari seems good to me, all the Samurai sets seem kind of shit.For Ninja the Sinister Tyrant set is absolutely broken so I swap between that and the new Yagyu DLC set.
>>746645329If you use Spear, the Peerless whatever set is pretty good, it also only needs 4 equipment (3 with Yasakani Magatama) so you can mix and match it with another set too
>>746645329Inari has by far the best damage to effort ratioHyper-optimized Tsukuyomi unarmed onmyo spam might beat it but it's ng++ and requires cheating for perfect star rolls and it's boring to play
I have yet to find a gun tonfa.
>>746646036Overlord's Tonfa has it as set bonusthe star roll is some gaslighting, it doesn't exist
>>746641335But why a short spear and shield and not just a sword and shield. It's right there, and with the inclusion of the Spanish it could've easily fit.
>>746646176There are swords, like katana and flachion, it's just that the short spear is the historical excuse for the weapon
>>746646176>But why a short spear and shieldThey picked Hoko as it is an ancient Japanese spear, a wider broad blade design closer to the ancient era from which Hiruko originates. Presumably.There are several "Sword&Shield" models.
>>746644037I don't understand Ninja Gaiden elitists insistence of calling one dogshit and the other one bestm2 games that are the same but are called different. Its Ninja gaiden 2 just called different but they get apeshit and say how black is good and sigma is not or whatever they are called when its literally the same game.
Nioh 4 should be a different culture. Something unusual. Aztec maybe. I feel like thats pretty underrepresented and could make for some good kino.
>>746640514>more Nioh>easier equipment customization>easier equipment upgrading>weird-ass switching mechanic ended up working out>>746641312This too. Shit felt so weak.
>first playthrough>fourth chapter>already fucking tired of the repulsive loot systemhow fast can I skip next playthroughs to get to the "real endgame"?this feels awful
>>746647136my man just auto equip your gear if it gets you that mad
>>746646550Doubt they'd put the major focus outside of grorious nippon, but I'd imagine a safe pick is going Spain/Portugal/Ireland to fight the Alchemists and have another obligatory William cameo.For something new, given that time travel is so ubiquitous and destructive (3 has left major Japanese cities in complete ruin with these Crucibles upending everything), what about some of the time travel to the ancient past causes a dramatically new timeline branch with a wildly different history. Like the Japanese never close their ports after Ieyasu's unification, so Japan becomes worldly and allies itself to Europe and the Americas far earlier.
>>746646550Nioh 4 better not ever exist.
>>746641951Answer me!
>>746641951>>746648896Doesn't really matter because you'll just deflect-attack everything anyway which is designed to be fast regardless of the weaponLongsword to me feels a little like the Light Greatsword in ER more than an Odachi. Something like Glaive feels more Odachi-like to me even though it's a polearm
>>746643408He is completely right that retards were saying the exact same things about Nioh 2 when it released. "It's too easy, the enemies aren't aggressive anymore, burst counter dumbs down the offense/defense". Every comfy Nioh 2 thread in covid had those morons spouting bullshit. Now those same people are probably the ones complaining Nioh 3 is not Nioh 2
>>746649047>Doesn't really matter because you'll just deflect-attack everything anyway which is designed to be fast regardless of the weaponI played on gamepass back in the day and I know that this is bullshit and it's better to spend time actually attacking like 90% of time
>>746644801Half the boss fights in your list are re-used or reskinned. Nue, Ren Hayabusa, Giant Toad, Shouten Doji. You're counting Pants Otakemaru as a new boss, really? Nyotengu is basically Hino Enma reskinned. Kukai is literally a revenant with a splitstaff and you're counting him as a new boss, come on now. If you want to include NPCs and re-used fights then the Nioh 3 DLC has more than any other Nioh DLC.
>>746649156They were right then and they are right nowIt took until Depths to bring some challenge to 2
>>746643408let's say you play all niohs and you take a break for a yearyou will die in nioh 1s first missionyou will die in nioh 2s first missionyou will not die in nioh 3s first missionthe problem is the open world, enemies aren't carefully planned around each level they're just put there and you can also backstab most of them. There are too many shrines, you will never ever run out of talismans/elixirs because they're everywhere so you can use them for every big enemy you see.
>>746649210>and it's better to spend time actually attacking like 90% of timeGood luck with that on Guan Yu
>>746640514I had good initial impressions but I wish they had allowed you to just easily use any weapon you wanted from the start without needing to buy the Super Deluxe Good Goy Edition.Having a limited weapon selection in the prologue is yet another step back from Nioh 2 which just let you start using whatever you wanted the moment you booted up the game. I don't wanna do the first Crucible boss and/or gamble on revenants just to get my caestus.It's autistic I know.It doesn't matter after the first couple hours I know.
is nioh3 performance still dogshit on PC?
>>746647136Anon... The loot autism gets even worse at the "real endgame"....
>>746649319>Half the boss fights in your list are re-used or reskinned. Nue, Ren Hayabusa, Giant Toad, Shouten Doji.I literally said they were reused, except Ren because he has a bunch of new moves and a new weapon.>You're counting Pants Otakemaru as a new boss, really?Did you actually pay attention to his moveset or not at all?>Nyotengu is basically Hino Enma reskinned. Ok you're just retarded>Kukai is literally a revenant with a splitstaff and you're counting him as a new bossYou could argue the same about Yagyu Jubei with that train of logic (also love how you didn't notice the Fists)>If you want to include NPCs and re-used fights then the Nioh 3 DLC has more than any other Nioh DLC.I literally excluded Taira no Kagekiyo and the 4 guardians from DLC2 because I specifically did not want to do that you disingenuous fuck
I loved Nioh 1 and 2 but after reading anon's opinions on the matter I'm going to wait till it's 20 bucks.
>>746648235>auto equip>in nioh 2
>>746649334nah the red odachi guy in 3 will kill you
>>746640514It's more Nioh, the slopen field is somewhat fun to run around even though it feels ai generated, people that hated nioh 1-2 loved to play as ninja so the game sold better probably.
>>746649609It sold faster in 1 month but not better and sales plummeted to nothing after launch week. Do you niggers even research
>>746646550Nioh 4 will just be set in a different Japanese time period, any other country's mythos they decide to tackle will likely be set under a different name instead, similar to Wo Long. Assuming they want to keep it tied to the Great Unifiers, I suspect Nioh 4 will try to cover Hideyoshi's reign that Nioh 2 largely skipped over, and probably involve more time travel gimmicks that will include Shingen Takeda's and Kenshin Uesugi's rivalry, as well as the Hojo clan's involvement in the war
>>746649567i don't even remember him, i remember a samurai in the forest that raped me but i just skipped him because the game is open world then came back 2 hours later and raped him
>>746649758>sales plummeted to nothing after launch weekSource?
Reminder Nioh 3 mogs
>>746649865Google it yourself.
>>746649885shit vs ass
>>746649552Shouldn't be long. The game bombed and has already been going on sale for around $40 lately.
>>746649885It doesn't. Onimusha won, and rightfully so since Nioh ripped it off to begin with.
>>746649909>i'm totally being honest but I won't show you proofkeklmao
>>746649909Funny way to write "I have no fucking clue what I am talking about and just spew shit every time a thought forms in my peanut brain, forgive me for making a blatantly untrue statement and having zero evidence to back it up" but it's alright I get your point
>>746650027>Do you niggers even research
>>746650097Please tell me where to find the current sales numbers for Nioh 3, sensei
>>746650087>>746650027Show me the sales numbers beating Nioh 1 and Nioh 2.
>>746640514I heard they messed with the specialization and broke up ninja vs samurai stuff? is that actually good?
>>746650165Nobody said it beat 1 or 2. Anon claims it didn't sell at all after launch week
>>746650165You made the claim that the game flopped, not us lmao. So where's your proof? People are asking you for it, keep up.
>>746650227>so the game sold better probably.>It sold faster in 1 month but not better and sales plummeted to nothing after launch weekKT updates each million milestone. They announced 1 million sold at launch with the "faster seller" (lol) accolade. They game has not sold since because we would have gotten a 2 million milestone 6 months later. They have a few months left and if they dont hit that metric then Nioh 2 outsold it.
>>746650368>You made the claim that the game flopped, not us lmaoI did not say it flopped at all. Refer to >>746650481>>746649609>>746649758
I would buy a nioh game that's just about ninja cats
>>746650712>nekomata's adventures10 copies please!
>>746650712Why is the cat named after a literal whore?
>>746649156Shitposting then, truth now. Simple as.
>>746640514Nothing
>come back after months for Hell Rising>can't stand the weapons/skills I was using before, love ones I hatedI locked in my favorites in Nioh1&2 right away, but my preferences for weapons in 3 are still shuffling around constantly.I think the Ninja Style's singular "stance" was a good call. Samurai always had enough skill slots to have every good skill equipped at once, but I have multiple skill Loadouts for each Ninja weapon, and have to commit to one before a fight.
>>746650712Kinda sad that even the spirits were censored for the sake of the modern audience, it's pretty much only cats and doggos without problematic stuff like spiders, snakes, centipedes or rats.
>>746644870umm sweatie have YOU beaten every nioh game level 1 no armor?
>>746646280>>746646439It's still stupid that they needed a reason, they literally put in SnS samurai enemies anyway. Same with how irl nobody used fucking switchglaives. Historical accuracy was never the main goal, it felt more like some anon from /his/ put his fetish weapon in.They should've went with more Sword and Shield, with only a few models being the Hoko instead. > ancient era from which Hiruko originatesLiterally 0 characters in the dlc actually uses the hoko, I expected to see some ancient Jap enemies with the hoko too but only 2 bosses ended up using SWORD and shield, it's fucking stupid.>Rodrigo uses the SnS moveset without the shield
>>746651657Yes
>>746650670Even if it didn't outsell Nioh 2 it still sold better than the gigaflop of Ronin plus Koei sort of counts all three games as one wich they are considering the amount of reused stuff.
>>746651707My entire post was based off the OG anon thinking N3 probably sold more. It did not sell more copies than N1 or N2. It is their faster seller for the launch window. Its not a flop like Ronin, correct
>>746651421It's actually shocking how much better Hatchets feel in Nioh 3 over Nioh 2, come to think of it. They definitely felt unfinished but they're fun as fuck now.
>>746649885Nioh 3 got mogged by Mortal Shell 2, a sequel to a bad game
>>746650173It's fine if you're someone who doesn't care about how the previous weapons were done (lol)
>>746650173Ninja is boring and sucks but is piss easy to play in the first playthrough.
>>746652425Soulsborne stream who's option I actially listen hated mortal shell 2, while was okay with nioh 3
>>746652938Tell me more about the opinions of some literal who
>>746651449Yeah, I want my little spider spirit buddy Itokuri back.And a spider yokai wife
>>746640514most things
>>746652425Nioh 3 reviewed and sold better than MS2 so where does your shitty opinion come from
Am I going insane or does Switchglaive feel like shit in 3? In was amazing in 2, no idea why it feels so bad here
>>746655631>Am I going insane or does X feel like shit in 3?You're not going insane, it is just shit in 3.
>>746655631Wasn't raped as bad as splitstaff and at least it got new fun skills, unlike splitstaff
>>746655631>>746655759>>746655891Shitters, just go play 2
Nioh 3 is the weakest in the trilogy and I still had fun with it.
>>746640514I liked the oni lady and uhuhhhh...
>>746655631Some moves are slower but more powerful like that one two-hit finisher from high stance. Low stance in general feels a lot more powerful than before.
>>746656440>Low stance in general feels a lot more powerful than before.Considering that switchglaive low stance literally hit like shit before? Also it does still hit like shit, it's just not as painfully bad as in nioh 2
>>746655631 The only definitive nerf i've noticed is Arc of Chaos, but they buffed several other skills instead. And to be fair, Arc of Chaos was beyond fucking busted in 2.Otherwise, it's literally the same weapon with a few new gimmicks like ability to add Frost Moon ON TOP of stance switch mechanic.
>>746640731fpbp
>started getting gud with hoko and shield>guard points negate damage during the entire skill animation for a skill that has triggered them, very noticeable on skills with a lot of endlag>but the weapon also has super aggressive moves you can weave in and out so you can switch between offense and defense seamlessly>jumping attack has guard points and hits like a truck for some reason>Y + stick lef/right in ninja mode is probably the most fluid throwing move in the entire series and the wind version is basically a free, infinite wind spell on top of it>shield surfing can chase anything, if used unlocked, can be used for repositioningThey never miss with these DLC weapons, eh.
>>746657746Only tried it briefly but it made me miss sword and shield from Strangers of Paradise, never felt that good before shit was so meaty
>>746657746It's fun as fuck, the light attack into heavy (frenzied rain) absolutely fucking shreds things
>>746656413this lady was a letdown, I think I ran into her three times and never died to her, shame it's so weak as a boss
>>746640514>base game is mixed>dlc is mostly negative dunno, you tell me
>>746658909I wonder who could be behind these reviews
>>746655631I thought so as well until I found out you can use frost moon after the switch stance skills and now it feels fucking nuts.
>>746655631my F tier eceleb has debunked thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8Ih9zzfvNQ
>>746640514Nothing much. Open world sucks and enemy placement is subpar. Locations are not interresting enough and do not have the variety of previous games. Changes to weapons are sidegrade at best and ninja stance was not particularly needed addition. If they added ninja, loot QoL and continued in the direction of the first and the second game, it would be much better game.
>>746659635>Locations are not interresting enough and do not have the variety of previous games>the variety of previous gamesCome on now anon
>>746640514i know you're not allowed to say anything bad about this game and that /v/ only approves of shitting on nioh 2 for... some reason, but nioh 3 is aggressively mediocre. team ninja said they didn't have plans for a sequel after 2 and ngl it really shows. 3 feels like they just kinda threw stuff together and the plot is retarded
>>746643408I hate this video because I agree with him Nioh 2 tards are annoying as fuck but Nioh 3 is still bad
>>746659735All I remember is being sick of broken houses and spikes. I admit I'm exaggerating a bit, but there was too much filler.
>>746659943My biggest problem with N3 is that the enemies are still the same while you're too overpowered
>>746660078Nioh 2 yokai we already powercrept in their own game, we need Kinki Fuki Suiki & Ongyoki in 3
>>746659635There are things to legitimately criticise the game for, why make shit up like the locations do not have "the variety of previous games". DLC 1 alone has more variety in the structure and visuals of its levels than all of Nioh 1
I'm playing Khazan and it's just ticking the right boxes. 21 hours in and I'm having funNioh 3 should have never fucking been an open world game. If Nioh 4 is like it, then I'm out. I'm 28 and don't have the time or energy for open world games.
2kat is love, 2kat is life.
>>746663063Khazan is pretty fun but man it's such an ugly ass game. When I think of it, my mind is filled with the colour of rust. Just an endlessly drab reddish brown game with no exceptions.
>>746664084ThisFor an anime game I expected way more color.
I can't stop playing fists brehs...
Apologize.
>>746665397Nothing to apologize for, I thought it was fine. It just wasn't as good as their other games.
>>746640514They really improved the level design in the DLC. The new crucible was the only one I actually enjoyed.Too bad almost everything else in the DLC was a disappointment
>all weapons been typical japanese weapons>suddenly fucking Switchglaive>oh, so they no longer care that heavily about muh historical bullshit>than can we finally get a sword and Shield since so many enemies have a sword and shield?>Hoko and ShieldI know there are a bunch of models with SnS but still, it just feels so stupid.
>>746668760>japanese weapon in a japanese game feels stupid
>>746668851>Sword and Shield enemies all the way back since 1>Switchglaive isn't even a japanese weapon>YOU WANT A SWORD AND SHIELD!? FUCK YOUYeah, okay retard.
>>746668760Meh, I think it's a perfect compromise for SnS faggots
spear should've been a ninja weapon
>>746669060After Switchglaive, I don't think they need to "compromise". They clearly didn't care bringing in some insane mystical retarded transforming bloodborne weapon.
>>746669239Counterpoint: switchglaive is cool
>>746669406I agree. I used it a lot in 2. The Hoko and Shield looks retarded and gay. Except for the Alchemist one and Aggrieved one.
I really dig the DLC fashion, this may be among the coolest looking sets (plus straw hat) we ever had in the entire trilogy.
>>746668760While i love switchglaive, i also feel they kinda cucked themselves with it. Should've gone for a naginata and maybe a scythe as separate weapon types.Although mechanically switchglaive is sublime, so maybe it's for the best.
>>746664084It's anime aesthetics are fine enough, but the lack of color for a game from a side scrolling beat em up feels like a bad move. The actual gameplay is Khazans strongest selling point. I couldn't actually tell you much about the story, I didn't really care about it.
>>746663063My main issue with Khazan is a complete lack of ki pulse. It uses clunky souls stamina system and the regeneration speed is more akin to a fucking dark souls 1.Dual wield is exceedingly well designed, but i think the spear and greatsword are kinda meh, too flowchart-y and relying on a single combo.Specials also charge for fuckiing ever.
>>746670137You use the charges to regen stamina while still dealing damage, and many of the charge based attacks can animation cancel basic light/heavy attacks. That's your "ki pulse" equivalent.
>>746660078Nah, the new enemies are way stronger. The screaming ice bitch variant of the regular screaming bitch from 2 is a bigger difficulty hike than the introduction of Itsumade for example.The issue is that they don't go all out with the enemy compositions and spend too much space on gakis and jailers for some reason.
>>746670234Charges only regen stamina on NG+. They are more akin to anima and spirit force, except they charge veeery slowly.
>>746670296It's no different from how in the previous games they had all these enemies introduced to the roster but still loved to spam Yoki everywhere. I get they're fodder enemies but damn.
>>746650712Tora is the single best guardian spirit in term of active skills, i have no idea why would i even want to slot anything else. Her attack has seemingly an infinite range and goes on forever, her active skill is a parry with a billion of active frames that puts you airborne behind enemy. I assume they are going to introduce something equally busted for samurai in DLC2.
I just realized there weren't any rokurokubi in Nioh 3. I kinda miss sniping their heads
>>746640514>found a DLC boss rush battle scroll behind a random nurikabeI think the missions shouldn't be locked behind open world slop
>>746670568>i have no idea why would i even want to slot anything elseI'm having hard time using anything but Tengen Kujaku for Ninja. Enemy sensor being super useful is one thing, but having infinite elemental weapon talismans as a guardian spirit skill so I can actually have more magic spells equipped? It's way too good for a normal playthough. I should be using Tora for scrolls though, if I can actually remember this time.Also my wife better be in the next DLC
2 is better
>>746672827Enemy sensor is useless for me, I go where there are enemies waiting with more about to ambush me and then I kill them all with my axe, there is no consideration but for enemy numbers even when I see them.
>>746672827Her and Yasha(?) made me feel thingsneed beeg yokai gf
Is there any battle scroll with Ibaraki Doji?
>>746672827>Tengen Kujaku for NinjaThis shit triggers me to no end, Tengen should've been a samurai spirit.
>dlc fight against this guy>small area surrounded by lava>2 addsgod damn do I hate this guy
>>746674220This fight felt like a shitpost. It's at the end of a fairly bullshit area too.
>>746673703Speaking of Ibaraki: is it just straight up impossible to get her soul core at purple rarity? I've been farming her for ages with no luck
>go through backlog of 10 battle scrolls>only 2 are unfinished masterpieces>both have 3 shit bosses as enemies>both are grace of HachimanThis shit is miserable
>need to pick between 2 awakening, soul core regen on bursts and versatility>versatility is basically mandatory on high stone of penance>magic without awakening is unusable
>>746674503Aaaand of course it dropped on the next run after posting this
>>746649885>samurai game that is all about the art of 1kat>apparently there's no iai move, just a scripted iai finisher>no additional combos to unlock, basically no meat to the combat system beyond fundamentals and rare subweapon attacksBut why
>>746673175i just wish 2 had the sekiro deflect, if only on a certain weapon only (like dual swords). ninja mode's pretty fun too, but not exactly necessary or innovative
>>746674953Thats what complaining is for. One thing I've noticed is that not all soul cores have the same green abilities they can learn.
Damn, yata mirror may be even stronger here than it was in 2. It doesn't' deflect projectiles anymore since it's now a skill, but it has fixed 20% damage boost to guardian spirit attacks and +10 spirit force generation per deflect/evasion.
>>746675061i'm really tired of games copying sekiro and having universal parries/deflects, no one does it right like sekiro did and becomes an instant i win button with no fucking skill involved.
>>746675098Yeah I just tried rerolling for lightning damage but all I'm getting is wind and water
Is dual mastery for common skills a thing? I gotta choose between faster onmyo and versatility otherwise
>>746675329meh, i actually liked nioh 3's deflect a lot better than sekiro's
>>746675906On scrolls its fairly common
>>746675329Against many attacks in nioh 3 deflect has a very uncanny timing and unless you really nolife the game it's not feasible to deflect everythingYou also have grabs, persistent aoe and certain red attacks that need to be dealt with in other ways.
>>746675329>no one does it right like sekiro did and becomes an instant i win button with no fucking skill involved.How so?
i for one quite like the open world format, it feels like regular nioh levels stitched together and the linearity is still there for the most part
>>746675329what are you on about, you can spam it in sekiro with no regard for timing
>>746677385Nta but that's not correct, it lowers the window when repeatedly tapped.
>>746677539nta but you absolutely can spam it haha
>>746676608yeah, 99% attacks in Sekiro are always meant to be deflected and designed so the timing can be learned. Other than Demon of Hatred you never had to worry much about positioning in Sekiro.Meanwhile in Nioh 3 is just a skill, you still need to actively consider positioning and dodging like the previous games.
>He used the Charm
>>746677303I adore the DLC structure, feels like they found their niche regarding the world design, it was fantastic. Especially the waterways segment.
>>746677867Yeah and you'll likely get posture broken or take a lot of chip damage when playing charmless and fighting anything threatening.
>>746678449nah, you won't loli have 300 hours in the game
>>746640731I was thinking "not much" but this is also acceptable
>>746679232You're simply using timing then or we have a very different definition of "spam".
>>746643908>The DLC has more playable empty space than all Nioh 1 DLC put togetherFtfy
I played the DLC on the first difficulty and got 5 Yasakani's (3 ninja 2 samurai) and now I've been going through NG+ with a full set of Ebisu and other +Luck stuff and I'm pretty sure they just don't drop at all in the first two regions, even with a Sudama blessing and I haven't seen a single one drop, and I've done absolutely everything. I'm about to do Antiquity now so will report back if they start dropping here.
>>746640514the tonfa are so fuarking fun bros
>>746679960you want sekiro to be "hard" so bad lmao
>>746680464No? I'm simply correcting you.
>>746680174Do a co-op (expedition) scroll with +80% accessories or +65% and 30% grace and you'll get pages of them
>>746680621you're not doing a good job of that kek
>>746677945>99% attacks in Sekiro are always meant to be deflectedEhh I've found recently that dodging and sprinting solves many attacks a lot better than parrying, in particular any jump slam attack is better dodged than parried
>>746640514Worst performance I've ever seen in a open world slop. Nioh 2 is 10/10 tho.
>>746681237And you're doing a good job of making your point I presume?
>>746681858Really? First time I heard that.A lot of complains about Demon of Hatred is because after a whole game of mostly standing you're finally forced to move your ass around
>>746682206Demon of Hatred sucks because his red charge attack with his arm looks like you're meant to dodge it, but you have to jump it
>>746646486>Ninja Gaiden elitistsThose don't exist. Don't even play their own games lmao.
>>746681858This desu. In my first playthrough of Sekiro, I play with hit and run tactic for 98% of the game,. only the Giraffe guy and Isshin forced me to parry. Fights took ages though.
>>746682628Well I'm not saying sprint away from everything, but when Genichiro and spear Isshin do their barrage attacks, you can kinda just outrange them, there's not much of a point in parrying them when you could either mikiri the last hit or do HP damage right after, it barely affects their posture and affects yours more. Same thing with Guardian Ape in phase 1, he just kinda goes ape and gives you a convenient lengthy opening not too long after. Owl is obvious, he's so much easier if you just dodge instead of parrying.You have to think that if Miyazaki is bad at action games and the devs designed the game around him, then he for sure approached some fights like that, not just parrying all the time.
>>746679960You can spam it in the most explicit sense of the word. The discussions about it from reddit and wherever else are retarded. You get a much better understanding from nexusmods since there are mods that mess with the parameters and you can check the files yourself.Besides an input delay of a couple frames because fromsoft engine, meaning you should press guard earlier than you think you should, you have an initial 0.4 second "Just Guard Judgement" window. Not 0.2; it's 12 frames based on 30 FPS.Each successive input reduces that 0.4 seconds by 0.0666 seconds, so you can get a total of 1.4 seconds of Just Guard frames before it is reduced to zero. You can mash the button, and each deflect window neatly plays out before the next starts, so you will neither have gaps (for the first few deflects at least) nor lost deflect time. An autofire controller or macro won't waste just guard frames.You can start mashing soon into most enemy attack startups and you'll catch it. Only way you'd lock yourself out is if you're tapping guard for no reason.Sekiro does Deflect like shit.Fuck Sekiro.Nioh 3 has a tighter Deflect window of only 0.1666 seconds by default, or 0.21666 with the Samurai Skill to extend it, but the animations are a lot cleaner and there's no awkward delay on the guard input, so it's more intuitive and ultimately "easier" to get right.
>>746684428>so it's more intuitive and ultimately "easier" to get right.But some fat nigga on the internet told me hard = good and easy = bad, so this means nioh 3 is inferior.
>>746684428You're not going to reliably deflect an entire attack string by blindly mashing it against threatening enemies. Yes there's room for some extra inputs and if you press too early, you can press again, but you still need a sense of timing. Deflecting attack strings becomes more risky the further into it you go because even if you successfully deflect the first few hits, your posture still builds up so one mistake towards the end gets you posture broken. I've gone through the game 4 times to get all endings and have done charmless+bell. There is an element of luck but mashing/spam isn't reliable, I think the people that say they spam are probably using more timing than they realize. Also I like the Nioh series as well, including 3, I wasn't trying to pit them against each other, I just don't believe the deflect system was bad in Sekiro. It worked fine for that game and for what they were trying to do there.
>>746681882Post your system
https://teamninja-studio.com/nioh3/us/update/New patch
>>746641389Some good bosses and genuinely very nice levels, unfortunately the new difficulty doesn't switch up ANY enemy placement
>DLC comes out>immediately make a new character to playthrough the game with SnS>absolutely love it to death>has the ki pulse attack like Axe>scales from Health Ki and Carry Weight>highest block>got a buff for block which makes you absurd>guard point attacks on most of your attacks and pretty much all the best skills>the running charge not only has block but ruins human ki>skills seemlessly flow together giving you easy as fuck like 30+ second combos with samurai mode>get to NG+ decide to do some expeditions>only guy that appears is wearing almost my exact fashion, using the only straight sword>every fight is us shouting at each other and blocking everything >every elevator ride is us shouting at each other and thrusting our swords in the skyDLC has only been pretty average considering the stuff we got in 2 -- but I've been enjoying SnS so much more than any other weapon we've ever had. This is pretty much what I will judge Sword and Shield combat on from now on, it's so nice to play.
>>746689881>>DLC comes out>>immediately make a new characterwhatwhy
>>746690105To play through from level 1 with Shield. It was fun. Now that I've beaten the game yet again, I completed the DLC on my main character and got the new difficulty with the DLC. Picture Scrolls were pretty disappointing. I found a good one in like the first hour of the DLC and not the one they guarantee you with that quest.
>>746690201>To play through from level 1Why would you
a bit bad news for all TN games enjoyer that Katana engine doesn't like injected dlss 5. So whenever you turn on dlss5.fx your game will crash lmao tried with RotR yesterday
>>746691039>katana engine won't be using the sloppiest of slop yet>bad newsWhat did anon mean by this?
>>746690984NTA but sometimes you want to see what the experience is like using a weapon from the start and progressing "naturally" instead of just respeccing and unlocking everything at once. It gives a decent feel for if a weapon is actually well designed (as in can unlock core skills relatively easily for a new player) or if it's heavily crutching on later keystones.
I thought the final area in the dlc looked cool with all the rain and water
Did Nioh 3 DLC add any skimpy outfits? The cosmetic game in general fucking sucks in 3.
My computer can't run it smoothly without going down to like 70% resolution. I can't stand all this FSR/fidelity/sharpen/smooth/upscaling fucking gobbledygook. Nioh 1 and 2 were perfect but they just had to fuck it all up.
>>746692168It barely added any new outfits. I think they're mostly all recolors with maybe one or two unique additions.I'm really hoping we get the Spanish guys outfit or him becoming the new antagonist means we'll get some Spanish stuff in general.Honestly annoyed they killed off Maria without letting us get her weapon or outfit...Though I guess you can get her transformation which is okay.
>>746640731I bet you if the protag was Whitey McGee again and he got a Japanese waifu in the plot, all the timmies would be calling it GOTY.
>>746692123meanwhile the small lava area is actual cancer
>>746640514The new weapon is slowly growing on me
Did they really not add in a pistol moveset?
>>746695272Nope
Can you do a new playthough with the hoko, or is it only buried in the DLC?
>>746695307You can yeah
>>746695272How do you even do a whole ass moveset out of a pistol? A bayonet? Sure, since it has the small blade at the end of its tip after all, but a pisto? What can you do aside from shooting really fast with it?
>>746695362Make it pistol and katana, I dont care. Call it a PisKat.
>>746695405Merge every dual-wield weapon into a new asymmetric dual wield weapon.Sword+Tonfa, Sword+Hatchet, Hatchet+Tonfa, Sword+Pistol, Hatchet+Pistol, Tonfa+Pistol...They can reuse SO many assets.>>746695362Copy everything this guy did.
>>746695681>Hatchet+Pistol, Tonfa+PistolWhat the fuck am I reading. That's pure retardation, I hope nobody ever puts in the time to animate stupid shit like that. Give me actual weapons with actual movesets not retarded combinations.
>>746695362gunkata next question
>>746640514It's playable, but compared to Nioh 2 I can't think of a single thing it does better. The samurai/ninja modes are neat but a, in my opinion, failed experiment. Had the rest of the game not been so poor I would've at least appreciated that they tried something a bit different; now the whole product just came across as "a hate letter to the fans".
>>746695808TONFA GUN + PISTOL would be the tightest shitblock attack with tonfa and point blank magdump with the revolverpistol whip followed by a tonfa jabblast em with the large caliber then double tap with the small caliberstick a Hoko in the tonfa barrel and launch it like a missile
>>746695808this>>746696043kill yourself asap
>>746696043>stick a Hoko in the tonfa barrel and launch it like a missileAt this point load fucking switchglaives into the cannon and start shooting them. You can have'em magically swerve through the air in a homing pattern smacking shit as they automatically swap stances mid air and dance around.
>>746696043No he's right dude your idea is retardedEither it's 72 new movelists (unreasonable) or it's just a bunch of other movelists merged together (fucking lazy and lame)
>>746696215>72 new movelistswhat
WHY NO KANABOS TEAM NINJA? I DONT CARE FOR AXES, THEY LOOK STUPID IN NINPO SETTING, DONT CARE ABOUT HISTORY, LET ME BONK BITCHES WITH A SPIKED CLUB AAAAAAAAAA
where are the cracked files for latest update
Janomecho wife
I really like these games but I suck at making builds, struggling in NG+ with low dmg.
I think deflection and especially the arts gauge fucked up the entire game. Ninja mode sucks too because it does away with the coolest feature, being the stance system. It's fun to jump around but the combat gets old.
>>746698628Stance is and always has been a dog shit gimmick that literally only exists as a contrived excuse to force the player to press more buttons for little pay off. Only try hard autisits like it. It's pure redundancy and adds nothing to the game's combat depth.
>>746698739You haven't played any of these games if you sincerely claim this.
>>746699314I've played literally all of them and never felt compelled to stance swap mid combo because it's tedious fighting game combo slop that serves no benefit that justifies doing it. And no flux is a massive fucking meme and is not worth the effort.
>>746698739it is badly implemented, has been since Nioh 1 with no meaningful improvements. I mean its's good that it lets you essentially bind more moves, but that's the whole point of it and that sucks. Most moves that are specific to certain stances don't even make sense, aside from switchglaive, as that weapon actually changes it's form and properties visually, you perform all active skills mostly from a block stance which is visually the same across all stances so its dull to limit them to specific stances aside from some stupid balancing reasons. They should really just let you bind any move aside from deflect to any possible button or combination possible. Would be more meaningful if they got rid of block button and made it passive for mid stance with dodge input being Wo Long style delfect dodge, kept nimble dodge for low stance and increased movement a lot and removed sprint function and for high entirely slow down your movement with no function to block or evade but with a lot more offensive functions and passive stuff. Like for example on Kusa high stance you would just swing your chain above your head in wide arc and any weaker mob would just be instantly hit by it if they got too close, stuff like that. So with this stance system, you are forced to go low to move quicker, evade and recover quickly from offense, forced to quickly swap to mid to passively block and you are bit slower but have defensive options and counter options with still a decent speed of attacks and damage and then high is a high risk high reward because u deal giga dmg but shouldnt stay in it for long time because you cant be evasive or defend yourself in anyway.
>>746640514Making the game more open world caused enemy placement and enemy AI to suffer as opposed to crafted level design.I still don't understand why they did that when fucking nobody asked for it. Taking a series known for tight game mechanics and making those mechanics more loose so you could chase cats and shit instead of just constantly fighting opponents was a dumb call.Switching between samurai and ninja mode was a neat idea though, I will give them that.
>>746698739This. I just stayed in mid stance for all 3 games
>>746699579I haven't played past map 2 yet, but I noticed how a lot more linear it is while still open compared to map 1. I don't know whats better but I really dig the way map 2 plays. Open world does fuck up the balance of enemy levels tho I give you that, that sucks + on top of that game has been so far for me really easy.
>>746699507I agree with you in that sense that it allows you to situationally change your moveset and have more skills bound to use but the same applies to being able to swap between Ninja and Samurai in 3 and I think the Samurai/Ninja mechanic even does a better job at incentivizing flowing between them in the middle of combat. I found myself using Ninja and Samurai in different situations constantly since they're so mechanically different but in 1 and 2 there was barely any cases where I ever felt like I needed to use one stance over the others. I do think Samurai/Ninja swapping is literally just a better version of stance swapping.
>>746699671they shouldve gone with onmyo/samurai/ninja stance and ditched low mid high, all weapons usable across all 3 styles but with different properties. Wo Long magic system is great, couldve built on top of it and made a good onmyo stance + onmyo box summoning, enchanting your weapons, making it shoot lasers and shit, just go wild with it, a lot you can do just for one style. Even add a 4th style for yokai transformations why not. For samurai you make it a blend of mid and high stance with a lot of martial arts with focus on offense and defense and parry. And for ninja style you make it a better low stance and it kinda already is that in Nioh 3 + you give it non elemental ninjtusu and all those cool aerial and evasive combat arts from nioh 2 like flying monkey on spear. And just one armor set, you can give armor random effects that only take effect in a certain style with an icon next to it, would be able to create so much cool stuff and smoothly go from throwing shurikens and jumping on bitches to parrying and throwing onmyo elemental orbs.
>>746699876Having onmyo as a dedicated caster set would have been cool. I like your idea.
>>746699876and it even seems like this was supposed to be the original idea, mc is literally trained by 3 masters, samurai, ninja and then onmyo at the end of tutorial but fuku dies and you dont get to go through a quick tutorial with her. Waste of a concept and badly implemented in the end.
was nioh 2 a fluke?
>>746699909you should play Wo Long if you havent, magic system makes combat very fuild. im so excited to see what they do with wo long 2, cant be a worse sequel than nioh 3 and I think morale system will work better for this new open world map style they go for and make balancing better
idk if anyone cares, but problem with nioh3 for me was that bosses simply do not fit the combat system. their hp is too big, their counter attacks are too fast, excluding usage of your hard hitting skills with big windup. deflect is so pointless it builds to basically nothing (that white glow weapon thingy is like 20% more dam?) demon bosses vulnerability is too short idk it all feels unrewarding to play. meanwhile human enemies you can stunlock with that spinning overhead odachi move. clearly the game wasnt even playtested.like you're at max range watching boss doing his 5 chain attacks for the 3rd time and all you want is red attacks so you can skip the bullshit. played with odachi and it was underwhelming. those asura demon npcs are clear example how combat system doesnt work with bossesi also i have never caused chaos state on bosses in full playthroughs of nioh1/2. like what the actual fuck is the point? are these games designed for ng123123213+???not gonna even comment of utter pointlessness of the gear system after 4(5) fucking games we get the same worthless garbage.
>>746700026Team Ninja always peaks with 2, WO Long will be a masterpiece
>>746700242can't wait, koei tecmo event this month
>>746699354That's why it's so good, you homo. You can play the game like a monkey and pretend it's Dark Souls, or you can learn the mechanics and go nuts with fighting game style combos. You can prevent enemies from recovering from ki break if you do it right and fuck them up without resetting with a finisher. And it feels great.
Why is Team Ninja refusing to just overwhelm the player with diablo autism slop straight from the start, I would rather take one chunky well made campaign where by the end I have a proper build to some degree and then a basic endgame that just gets better with DLCs.
weapon proficiency system was so much better jesus christ
>>746700387It's cool if you think it's cool but it doesn't actually justify itself. You only like it because you think using a bunch of inputs feels good
>>746700791>Game actually rewards you for using a bunch of inputs and actually feels good for it>YOU ONLY THINK THAT ANON UGGGH
>>746700861No anon I'm saying it DOESN'T reward you. You do it for the sake of doing it but there's absolutely a lack of incentive for it. As the other anon said stances should have had more differences between them.
>>746699607mid stance has all you need and should be what you default to even when stance dancing,
>>746700242>WO Long will be a masterpieceMy biggest gripe with it is that it punishes aggression too much while not being able to cancel into deflects. They already said they're addressing this so I'm hopeful.
>>746700896Did you not fucking read nigga? If you learn the game well enough you can play as if your stamina is 10x its numerical value and keep enemies stunlocked as opposed to doing a three hit combo and backing off. If that isn't a reward then you need to explain your terms, what is a 'reward' to you if not a tangible gameplay benefit?
>>746700984The difference between using one stance and stance swapping is small enough that the extra inputs don't feel worth the effort. It's not enough.
>>746700791Sure, why not. It is fun to push lots of buttons. But you're wrong about it not justifying itself. The act of pushing buttons itself is the link between you and the game. Doing a 32 hit combo by mashing X vs. doing it manually is a completely different experience, even if it looks the same on screen. And in Nioh's case, those crazy combos carry a huge reward so I have no clue what you're inferring with saying that you only do them to feel good. It's optional to beat the game the same way it's optional to do combos in Street Fighter.
>>746700915in endgame you go wild on literally any fucking mob or boss, you can predict their actions well enough and use stuff like certain spells or martial arts to disengage but yeah it can be limiting and I hope they fix that up but Wo Long is for sure not deflect only simulator and im sick of people saying it is
alright what are the new farming strats for everything? I'm going to try to finish my enlightened run before the 2nd dlc comes out but no promises
>>746701019So you really don't play these games after all, amazing. Maybe your skill cap has been exceeded? Do you beat the normal difficulty and call it quits? As if they need to buff Flux LMAO
>>746680046t. didn't play it
>>746701112Wo Long in endgame is just as deep as Nioh, and thats without stances but they are not even needed in Wo Long, you can already bind martial arts and spells to so many inputs and make freeform combos with anything you want and it all flows so much better + spirit system is way better than Ki/stamina.
>>746640514>What went right, nioh bros?>makes diablo with actual gameplayeverything
My dream game is Ronin style game but it's wuxia where I can be a flying martial artist while mastering 5 styles based on 5 phases with countering system like Ronin but done better.
>>746701110>>746701178Again you can enjoy all the extra inputs but as someone who hates fighting games and hates combos stance swapping has always been a meme. Nioh has always had an issue with mistaking width with depth. It's been a bloated game series since 1 and a lot of it's mechanics feel redundant so yeah I'm glad 3 moved away from it cause as I said Ninja/Samurai swapping does everything stance swapping tried to do but actually made it work.
>>746701264>Wo Long in endgame is just as deep as NiohPost some video evidence. I dropped WL for being parryslop after base game. I may be convinced to try it again if they fixed it in patches or something.
>>746701349not that guy, but what are you playing these games for then? is it loot? loot in this game is disappointing to say the least, combat can be improved but even if not it's still better than anything else, so if you play for gameplay then I don't see how it's enjoyable to not press all of the buttons, it's dull at that point even if it is meaningless on the paper, its just dopamine for me.
>>746701408dont have webms sadly myself, I can try to find that one that gets posted often when ever Wo Long is mentioned and yes the game has been improved with updates, feels better to play and combo stuff and more spells and slots for attacks
>>746701440>if you don't enjoy the gameplay in the exact autistically specific way as me you can't enjoy the gameplayI don't really care about how you want to play the game anon.
>>746701408
>>746701495Just say that you like mashing one button and watching things die, if that's the truth
>>746701440My autistic belief is that the loot in Nioh (2 especially) and also Stranger of Paradise was actually really good. Yeah it's just choosing a set bonus you like but there were multiple fun effects that really changed your playstyle like going full shiftling form (reminded me of Terra/Gabranth perma-EX mode in Dissidia) or the Purification set rewarding you for creating yokai puddles and then clearing them. SoP has an insane level of customisability and really takes the FF job system to heart with allowing cross-class buffs and skills with armor affinity and stuff. Obviously it's not Path of Exile but it's approaching 'ARPG' from the other direction and it's by far the best attempt so far. I love both types of games so they're perfect for me, thankyou for coming to my TED talk.
>>746701680Then the same applies in reverse to you if you want to be reductionist but this is the exact kind of pathetic, seething response I expected. Hence why I'm not humoring you.
>>746701679I'd forgotten the completely cancerous multi-boss fights they loved to spam in WL, thanks for reminding me to not play this shit lmao.
>>746701495so why are you in this thread if you dont enjoy stance dancing? genuine question
>>746701729>cancerous multi-boss fightsthis footage is from endgame map with enemy waves, actual multi boss fights in the base game is the one with 3 dudes and its a side mission and then theres one dual boss in main missions but that fight is easy and both are huge demons that cant hit you for shit, thats how retarded they are, one of the easy bosses actually. Endgame maps have some 3 npc bosses but they are all easy and low hp and can be aoe smacked and 2 tapped all that once if you round them up so I have no clue wtf you are even saying...maybe u were thinking of Nioh 1 lmao
>>746701938Nioh 2 is the worst offender here for sure.
>>746701938there is two more dual npc boss fights I forgout about, both side missions again, one is main game one is dlc and for both same applies;only becomes 1v2 if you are dogshit and cant kill the first one fast enough so its a skill issue and 2nd one becomes agressive only when first guy is at half hp and you can usually combo him to death before 2nd guy reaches you
>>746702058so stop bitching and crying and just load up some Wo Long
They nerfed the DLC boss and also fixed AA Toughness so now I'm extra invincible
>>746702239To be fair the wind wave was absolute bullshit and i assume it's what the patches refer to.
Is DLC 2 still next year?
>>746702516Yes kek, but it will be overshadowed by Wo Long 2 post demo hype and release at the same time.
>>746702589Great
>>746701729Wo Long of all games gives you all the tools you need to handle several boss humanoids. Teleport spell is a must, especially the ice version, you can close gaps through other enemies.
seeing 0 performance fixes in these patch notes is grim, they just gave up not even a year into the game
>>746689881>got a buff for block which makes you absurdMy only issue with this buff is that sometimes i forget what stance i'm using and eat shit instead of doing iai.
>>746702635Yes, agree, never used teleport personally tho seems fun but cheesy. Wo Long and Ronin have a lot better human bosses than nioh its not even debatable but its fun how you can ground juggle them in 2, do those zero ki combos or what ever its called, no longer in Nioh 3 so its even worse, just less expression yay
>>746702706Only thing they can do to fix it is make improvements on the engine itself and fix the terrible cpu utilisation but that is not gonna happen until some new game rolls around so better get 9800x3d and good cooling to brute force it.
>>746701679This is a bit unfair because fists flow so so much better than most other weapons it's not even funny.
>>746640514Meiji era seems like a kino video game setting but they keep fucking up the games using it
>>746704454Meiji era doesn't fit KT, because they are too much of pussies to show just how fucking bad both sides were.While cartoons for elementary schoolers can
>>746640514not a fucking thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoZk_PIx-dQI'm always so happy to see this dude in scrolls, both the fight and music are god tier. Especially when you have your own gun too.
>>746689881I'm glad SnS has a shit ton of thrusting attacks so you can actually pair something with Spear other than Sword for a meme Thrust build it's actually not that bad
>>746707089I think the fast triple stab sns has is one of the best thrusting moves in the entire series, this shit is nearly instant and deals a ton of damage for how fast and precise it is.
I'm not a fan of how they reworked NG+I don't like how you can just skip pretty much everything. It turned the entirety of NG+ into an hour journey. It sucks.
>>746707452Then don't skip it
>>746680174How do you get your initial Yasakani's? Is it just blind luck? I only have a Ninja one which I think was a guaranteed drop, Havent seen any others and Im about halfway through New Game Plus
>>746707348I spam that triple stab and Triple Threat on Spear. The mystic art for range on spear makes the weapon combo with SnS feel incredibly strong.
>>746707452>I don't like how you can just skip pretty much everythingWasn't that always the case?
>>746705961Shingen (both fights), Shinsaku, and Demon of Pride are some of the best fights in the series. Genuine top of the line stuff. It's a shame that Okita Soji turned out to not be a very good fight, doesn't even have his own theme.
>>746707452I'd rather that than forcing you to get all the open world shit done again. Not even Ubislop is that obnoxious.
Do you move faster in Ninja stance or my eyes are messing with me? Like I mean default speed without any sprinting, with and without weapon drawn.
>>746643776Revenants NEVER behaved this way in Nioh 2
>>746708183The fish yokai-man boss near the end of Bakumatsu drops both guaranteed on first kill. I think any content after him on NG+ has a higher drop rate for Yasakanis.>>746707452Wraiths, bases, lesser crucibles, myths and submissions are all worth still completing. Maybe masters as well if youre looking for specific drops. At least that's what I target in NG+/++
>>746708895Can you re-fight him on the standard difficulty?
>>746709531drops are guaranteed only oncethen you can set them in sudama blessing, load up a cursed cavalcade(accessories) scroll and hope for the best
>>746708789The revenants in 3 are definitely weaker than they used to be, they all die really easily. I barely use the feature though so I can't speak to their behaviour patterns.
I have one gripe with the game and that's the fact that while Ninjutsu got a glowup and was made into an actual playstyle, Onmyo is still stuck with limited uses and that's boring. Force me to go into melee, reward me with more magic and for fucks sake, remove magic from ninjutsu entirely, why can they vomit lightning?
>>746710371Nah, I hate that they separated Ninja and Samurai. It's gay as fuck.
>>746708307Okita seems like he was rushed out of the door. Didn't have his own theme song like you said, and he also didn't even a death cutscene; He just fight you, dies like a bitch and no one mentions a thing about him.
>>746710371I really really hope the second DLC adds Himiko's onmyo playstyle as a new weapon.
>>746701346I can go with that as long we're fighting humans not another monster. Fighting monsters is boring and every fucking souls game is fighting big monster
>>746701346Only if you can dual cultivate with Hong Jing tier beauties
The one thing I loved about the DLC was that NPC that """invades""" you several times and uses traps to try and kill you.Absolutely kino. They should have utilized him a lot more. Should have been a constant threat throughout the entire DLC. He died way, WAY too soon and everything after him felt dull without that threat there.
>>746642103The fix is to change the colour and reduce the stats to normal, the extra slot stays which is the big improvement. I hope you got the good ones with 6 slots already.
>>746713395kekyeah all the cheated scrolls were good
>>746710371i wonder if onmyo being so badly gutted was an overcorrection to how busted it was in 2
>>746700026yes
>no new armor, just more recolors>base game already had basically no new armor eitherlol lmao
Man -- they really did Odachi dirty. This thing feels like absolute dog shit compared to 2. I mean, it was never amazing in 2 but this is easily the worst weapon in 3.>high stance bounces on blocks>has less ki damage than katana>huge focus on stance switching means human enemies bounce 90% of your best attacks>huge ki cost of attacks even stackin ki reduction and 99 heart>even with the buff you're still doing less damage than everyone elseWhy'd they fuck it over so hard???
>>746713782unarmed onmyo mage is the strongest build in the game
>>746715196>This thing feels like absolute dog shit compared to 2Yes thats Nioh 3 in its entirety
Really don't get what people are complaining about. Nioh 3 has been fucking fanastic and deflect was a much needed buff to heavybois. SoP was great for allowing tanky playstyles, and now Nioh 3 allows it as well.
>>746715874of course the type of retard to write heavybois loves nioh 3
Wo long Johnson still worth playing for co op on ps5?
>>746715874Yeah Nioh 3 has the best balanced and most refined combat system TN has ever made. The only people who hate it are Nioh 2 contrarians.
>>746716174Wo long is good. Its just different. I think 2 will be our second nioh2 honestly.
>>746715938No actual response eh? Doubt you've been playing the series from day one like I have. Team Ninja have released nothing but gold since Nioh 1.>>746716243Most of the complaints I've seen aren't even ab out the combat system, like anything else is even 1/100th as important.
>>746716250>I think 2 will be our second nioh2 honestlyJesus christ man
>>746716331I get annoyed with "fans" of a series who only like 1 entry. DMC fandom is full of retards like that.
>>746716250Awright I'll give it a chance.
>>746716394What's that gotta do with my post?
>>746640514I love the pseudo open worldIt just cuts out the loading times
>>746716330>Most of the complaints I've seen aren't even ab out the combat system, like anything else is even 1/100th as important.That's just typical /v/. Niggers will be here shouting "gameplay is king" until they get an opportunity to be a contrarian and then gameplay goes out the window and those retards will latch onto anything to justify seething about some new game.
>>746716441Oh, assumed you were chirping him for fellating Nioh 2. I love that game but the fanbase sucks.
>>746716504It was alright on the first playthrough but pretty much pointless in NG+ onward
>>746716578Nah, my point was that expecting nu-TN to make anything even close to the quality of Nioh 1 and 2 again is delusional. I do hope Wo Long 2 will be good though but I'm not holding my breath
>>746716583I don't see how it differs
>>746716712But SoP is about as good as 2 and arguably better than 1. 3 is shaping up to be better than two once it has all the content. ROTR is fantastic and Wo Long wasn't bad.
>>746716250TN makes games yearly now. The quality will keep suffering until they stop.
>>746716578>but the fanbase sucks.how so
>>746716712Sop and rotr are both better
Me spin with axe everyting dead hehe
>>746716174Yes but only for 1 playthrough. Wo Long legit has by far the worst NG+ cycles of any of TN's games.
Official Nioh and pseudo-Nioh ranking:1 > 2 > SoP > Wo Long > 3 > RotR
Me punch with fist everything dead hehe
>>7467169923 > SoP > 2 > Wo Long > 1 > RotR
>>746716854Because they're obsessed with one game in TN's entire library but can't properly articulate why they think that game is amazing but games that are very similar are shit.>>746716992Is that a toohoo? They're usually posted along bad opinions.
>>746716854Because they're pretentious faggots who feel the need to interject into every conversation to bring up Nioh 2 and how much worse every game in existence is compared to Nioh 2 with the only reasoning being that they're not like Nioh 2. Or just in general being insufferable faggots that nobody likes.
>>746717123>Is that a toohoo?Yes but don't tell janny, I'll get banned
>>746716906I was only planning 1 playthrough. Tanks :)
Is rotr really a good game?...really?
>>746716992Its 2 sop wo long 3 rotr 1. None of them are bad games though honestly im rather impressed.
>>746717498Yes !!!!!
>>746716992But where do we rank Khazan?
>>746717498Yeah its good. The system has a ton of flow and skill expression. Also bayonet is fucking cool.
>>746700896>No anon I'm saying it DOESN'T reward you.How am I not rewarded for being more efficient with my attacks and dodges and not bouncing off the enemy's block? How am I not rewarded for being able to navigate my large toolkit?
>>746700167>odachigger having a bad opinionwhat else is new
>>746700167>are these games designed for ng123123213+???Yes
What are the absolute best games in this genre? Nioh 2 comes up a ton. I've seen Elden Ring mentioned, but I really don't think it's on that level. Sekiro was great years ago, but I took a break and I'm waiting for Nioh 2 to come in the mail.
>>746718965>Nioh 2 comes up a ton. I've seen Elden Ring mentioned, but I really don't think it's on that level. Sekiro was great years agoThey're all pretty different games
>>746640514Alright bros give me some pro tips for Hoko (forma de samurai). I haven't played anything but fists yet in 3
>>746718965Sekiro, nioh 2, elden ring, strangers of paradise. Are all top tier. The rest of team ninjas catalog is good different flavours of nioh 2. Despite how popular souls likes are, most aren't that good.
>>746718965Unpopular opinion but I thought AI Limit was great
>>746717498Yeah it's good but nioh 2 fags says otherwise, also RotR is the only TN game where build don't really matters in highest difficulty since it's still skill based instead equipment-based
