What is it about AI being used in game development that makes libs violently seethe and piss themselves? Most people wouldn't even notice if something used AI unless it was specifically pointed out to them anyways.
>>746665212good morning saar! please redeem the AI!
raw AI for visuals or other user-facing components are extremely easy to spotAI for the programming end is basically impossible to spot unless the person using it is outrageously negligent and incompetent and lets the codebase become an inefficient, buggy slop swamp, or the code is available publicly
It sucks OP. You too will realize it some day.
Millennials always need something to moralize about and grandstand over
cool another astroturfing threadhey guys buy my new product or else you're a hecking leftist communist tranny!
the new and easy way to virtue signal, literally all it is
>>746665568I agree, because ultimately I think AI (at least right now) isn't capable of replacing humans when it comes to the more creative side of game development but we're at a point now where game devs have their games boycotted and review bombed purely because five years ago they maybe thought about possibly considering to ask GPT how tall the Empire State building is. It's weird.
>>746665212They hate that a web browser can replace them in every field they've compromised, and cry about it at every possible opportunity.
>>746665212>people wouldn't notice unless they noticegood morning
doesn't even matter, the "anti AI war" is already over
>>746665212>plagiarist, black person: "Teehee dumb niggur">plagiarist, white conservative: "Ermmm...the future is now luddite!"
>>746666219t. clanker
>>746665212If it wasn't worth making, it isn't worth playing.
>>746666108Good. Use books instead of being a lazy hack using a slop machine.
>Another advertising thread>The """"AI""" was the publishers and devs haring a jeet scammer Fuck off. BUY AN AD
>>746666251The original luddites were 100% right that mass automation would destroy artisanship and the average worker's quality of life, by the way
>>746665568The whole thing is it's basically 1's and 0's and also code is abstract like math which is something AI unbelievably excels at. Programming has been a huge boom. I think negativity and moral grandstanding over tools is just stupid overall because the only thing that matters is the quality of the tool not if it's made by the tool or not.
>>746665568It's also very hard to detect in writing. And I don't mean actual retarded people who copy paste the output but people that actually rewrite what AI gave them.
>>746665212Cool, cool. Just remember to mark it as using AI as per Steam's TOS :)
>>746665568>AI for the programming end is basically impossible to spotIt's pretty obvious actually
>AI is literally just a search engine>Coping and seething
>>746666442Just letting you know Steam does not care if you use AI for programming, they only care if you use it for artistic purposes. That is in the TOS.
>>746665212Im no lib but its a tool for enshittification in a world where every product hit rock bottom in terms of quality. Moreover its purpose is cost cutting and timesaving, something that will never benefit the customer as prices will never ever lower.Also the way AI is pused is 1:1 how progressive politics were pushed during GG>Gamers are dead! The future is woke and your just going to have to deal with it!>What you dont want AIslop? Too fucking bad everyone is using it so get used to is or fuck off tranny!
>>746665212All they asked was a question.
>>746665212YOU DIDN'T MAKE THE GAME
>>746666531>PusedHello SAAAR.
>>746666402it's hard to detect in writing because you're an inexperienced writer. ai is used by people who think that they can dupe others in fields that they aren't experienced in. artists can detect ai art, programmers can detect ai code, and musicians can detect ai music.you think that you're clever by fooling people, but you outing yourself as a fraud
I thought advertising was against the rules but I guess it's okay if OP asked a ragebait question.
>>746665212Libbies think AI bad due to plagiarism or whatever. They get all offended on the behalf of artists because they think art is the only use for AI.For me, the use of AI is a sign that the people involved do not care. AI is a tool to promote being lazy, to delegate your brain activity to some algorithm. Relying on AI will make you stupider and less capable only to achieve mediocre results.
>>746665212I assume if something is made with AI and it breaks, the creator won't know how to fix it.Why would I gamble my money on that
>>746666631>minor typoOwari da Im brown now...
>>746666531Man you leftists are so gross
>>746666523>does not care if you use AI for programmingyeah why would anyone care about that? The AI pushback has always been about AI-generated images
>>746666727SAAAAR
These guys let me test their game it was comfy and fine i even told them it should be like 14$ or less ur welcome gamers
>>746666456>unless the person using it is outrageously negligent and incompetent
>>746665212For people so eager to forcefully share other people's money and labor trough communism they sure are holding tight on those IP rights.
>>746666736Which is retarded because AI code is far more dangerous than a stupid picture We're heading into a future where future coders will all be replaced jeet ai and nobody will know how to fix it
>>746666531lol you expect these people to remember the gg days? 10 years ago they weren't even on the internet, tourists the lot of them.
Why is this a leftist vs rightist thing? Wouldn't a staunch nationalist hate the idea of a universal tool that can be used to subvert their national ideals?
>>746666251This is just like one of my japanese animes
>>746667016>Why is this a leftist vs rightist thing?Because the people paying indian shills to spam AIslop on every board have told their shills to force it as a leftist/rightist debate despite it blatantly being a bipartisan issue.
>Muh libs>Muh leftists Im actually supposed conservatives and religious people aren't more opposed to AI. The results often look deeply unnatural, it devalues human life and uniqueness, and most of the people involved in the AI industry want to use it enslave or genocide humanity. The government is using it primarily for mass surveillance and military tech. I know the Pope criticized the AI industry but for the most part Prots and Evnagelicals are supportive of it.
>>746665212>What is it about Trans folk being included in society that makes chuds violently seethe and piss themselves?>Most people wouldn't even notice if someone were trans unless it was specifically pointed out to them anyway.
I don't care if it's used for translation work or something extremely minor The problem is Indians who are bob and vagina who push go claude and just generate random garbage and flood everything>>746667016It's a psyop.>OH YOU DON'T LIKE AI YOU'RE A TRANNY
>>746666990Well it's completely unfeasible to forbid AI code as devs don't publish their code, while painting of a horse with three legs is immediately noticable
>>746666219Yeah, it's over because AI has burst and it's all downhill for the tech industry from here on out
>>746665212They always need something to piss and moan about and this is just the latest thing. Given time they will move on to the next thing
>>746667252That's never gonna happen
>>746666531>Moreover its purpose is cost cutting and timesaving, something that will never benefit the customer as prices will never ever lowerI disagree, because the purpose of AI in my eyes isn't to cut costs, it's to make being a game dev more accessible to the masses.Not everyone can be a Toby Fox jack of all trades who's good at everything and also has three years of their life dedicated to just working on their dream game. So, that's where AI comes in, it can fill in the gaps of what you're not good at and that theoretically should lead to more games being able to be put out on the market.
>>746665212>why do people have preferences?Why are you such a fag?
why do boomers i mean zoomers i mean millenials i mean liberals i mean chuds hate AI so much? Are they luddites?
>>746665212I wish it used more AI. The character design is dogshit "learn to draw anime!" westoid bullshit
Liberals were completely fine with AI until their guys weren't in power anymore. They'll 180 back to loving it again next time they are.
>>746667363You just described cost cutting. In your example the guy would have to find likeminded co workers and pay them or give them part of the game's payout. Cant do music? You comission a music guy. Same for anything else you can't do.
>>746667539That looks AI generated, retard.
>>746667539That's literally an AI picture based on anime you moron.
>>746667363Are you really sure you want the masses have more accessible game dev? Someone who couldn't be bothered to make something before AI will mostly just make trash with it. AI usually works better when used by people who already know what they're doing.
>>746667576>>746667671Stop talking, retards. This is what AI looks like.
I don't get why people are so paranoid about liking games that have things made with AI in them when I'm worried if there's any game that's any good in the first place these days.
>>746665212why should i reward lazy people with my money?
>>746667363There's a reason why even before AI the concept of "Ideas Men" was mocked online. I think the issue with the idea of "democratizing art" is that a lot of people think that they have a million dollar idea, but the truth is that unless you have a clear vision of what you want to make and how to get it to market your product likely won't be very good. A lot of idea is are actually shit and you often can't figure out it it's worth doing until you've already started the process of making it and getting dirty with the technical details. Then process is the product basically. Its why even before AI Steam was flooded with cheap Unity and now UE5 slop. The creators might think they have a good idea, but the result is just lazy trash.
As with all things, it’s not black and white. AI is a tool and can and is being used for many valuable things. AI used for art is just icky and anti-human
>>746667879Are you talking about artists or AI lmao?
>>746667553>You just described cost cuttingFair, but that still leads to my point that cost cutting makes making games more accessible. >Cant do music? You comission a music guy. Same for anything else you can't doIt's not that easy. How do you find the music guy? How do you find an art guy, or a programming guy, if you don't have a network or some kind of big publisher to help you?More importantly: how do you pay these workers if you, like many people who are a first time game dev, have no money?
>>746667827>when I'm worried if there's any game that's any good in the first place these days.This. It doesn't matter it's AI or not if it's all shit anyway. you have to be a lemming to support garbage
>>746667905video games aren't art
>wont someone think of the artist that use digital pads and photoshop
>>746667905Effort is not synonymous with quality.
>>746667252>AI has burstNot yet.I think it will not be entirely forgotten, it will remain a useful tool (better every year) but it will no longer be regarded as the future x1000 free money glitch
>>746667808Arr rook same
>>746667827>>746667967this, only dumb normie sheeple like things. true free thinkers spend all of their time on the internet doing absolutely nothing because enjoying anything is for npcs
>>746665212>Guys what's wrong with using the product that takes everyone's jobs and water and powerIt's a mystery
Not even most people op, the shitty twitter screenshot you posted can't tell either, so he's outsourcing his opinions to the mob. Pretty funny actually
>>746665212devs claim that they didn't use AI but they're being really shady and censoring any discussion about it so I don't know if I buy it.
>>746665212Part of it is unthinking tribalism. Can't fault people for being wary though, AI can make some horrid slop if you do it wrong. Since it's still quite new, no one really knows how to wrangle it good, and no one has figured out the boundary between "enhancing production" and "corner cutting".
>>746666638>>746666402What he said, in actual professional writing, every paragraph, story beat and character are tied up in telling a grander narrative that the author is trying to slowly piece together, AI text doesn't serve any thesis and so in anything longer than a short story it's immediately obvious. Humans make paragraphs as building blocks to a larger whole, AI just spins its wheels.
>>746667539Look at that neck.
>>746667968ok fag, get out of this board
>>746668056In 10 years kids will be making urban exploration videos breaking into abandoned data centers. Eventually one will get lost in one of those city sized ones and they'll have to start sealing them off like old mines
>>746668318Yeah it's kinda funny and sad at the same time how people are ready to ask others what they should do or think. They can't form their own opinion because they are afraid that they will choose a side that doesn't match the side they are supposed to be on and thus just let others tell them how they should act. People talk about how others outsource their thinking to AI, while people are doing the exact same thing by outsourcing their thinking to other people
>>746668437look at her stubby left arm
>>746667808What's with AI fags generating this dogshit over-rendered art? Horrible taste and it looks like wax slop.
>>746668318>>746668518Mob opinion has always been a thing before AI and long afterwards when it becomes another fadJust look at all people who complain about a fictional looking young but sexy
>>746665212Libs being sanctimonious retards who'll take any opportunity to virtue signal? How can this be?!
>>746665212AI BADREDIT SAID SO
>>746668437>>746668570>fucked up handYou couldn't even use AI right. Scam jeet devs.
>>746668463
>>746665212AI being used in game development is an extremely valid thing to piss and shit yourself about, but people are pissing and shitting themselves about the wrong thing. What Twitter (i.e. Bluesky) people are shitting themselves about is visual AI assets or forgotten placeholders, because back when current X was still former Bluesky, bad artists were worried that AI art would replace them, and the politically correct thing to do was to virtue signal in solidarity. The average sub-100 IQ retard is a thrall to the hivemind, a cog in the machine, and they don't know why they hate AI, they just know they were told to hate it. This is the wrong way to piss and shit yourself about AI. The correct way to piss and shit yourself about AI is the more "invisible" applications of it. The doctors and engineers who are "programming" the game are actually using AI to "vibe code" it now. That's why games are >100gb unoptimized pieces of shit now. It's because no one is coding anything themselves, they're puzzling it together on AI-generated piece at a time. This is something that is worthy of pissing and shitting yourself about, but because Bluesky users were never told they need to be upset about it, it doesn't even cross their mind.
>>746668501>get lost in a buildingfuck it we didnt need themnigger it's a square block you walk in a straight line til you hit a wall and then go in circles til you find a door
>>746668597It's better than only being able to draw a stick figure, 'tard.
>>746668720stick figures are soul and you're a faggot.
>>746665212Gamers who like gay little fucking mindless chore simulators DESERVE to have AI shoved down their throats
Why would I pay for something I can just prompt myself?I would say "if it's free who cares" but since AI art is a fucking plague of slop that ruins everything by its mere existence, not even that is true.It's just shit, all of it. The only people who value AI are the most are, in essence, the worst people using it.
If a guy gets paid for the work of an AI that makes me jealous and feel that he should simply not be paid.I don't really care if that is a rational stance.
>>746667363The market doesn't need more games, and if you're truly passionate about creating you'll find a way. There are people with no arms painting masterpieces and you're telling me art isn't accessible?
I used AI to make a simple, easy to use combination of FreeCAD and Blender for real size part drafting because I was dissatisfied with the available free program's usability. All AI programmed I don't know any programming.It just works it runs great, I needed several iterations while learning what to do and not to do to get there. The AI did everything I just gave it lists of shit I needed added and changed til I ended up with an instruction document.Get over it. AI can do work and someone who is an actual moron can use it.
>>746668720I miss those ancient stick figure flash animations on newgrounds. Everyone went full edgelord over it, it was embarrassingly fun.
>>746665212>person doesn't like the thing i like so they must be liberal!do you seriously use politics as a factor in your personal identity? what a boring life you lead.
>>746668679Programmers that don't vibe code these days are making their life harder than it needs to be. People who virtue signal about vibe coding have zero idea what they are talking about
I have anti AI troon fatigue
>>746665212Voting with wallet, nothing wrong with it. Players supports devs by buying game. If they dont want to support AI sloppers then its their option not to support them easy as. You can ofcourse cry about it, but that is how it goes.Or you want to dicate how people spend their money?
>>746668808>I can just prompt myself?Prove it. Make something like this >>746667808
>>746667539>>746665212>"le kawaii horusom changasu 90s anime tokyo akiba"this game makes me cringe and piss myself
>>746667084Because there’s a very real subset of people who will instantly be for/against something if you can just label it as leftist/rightist.So, if you can force the idea that something is leftist here, you can make people oppose it through that label alone, and that’s it, no more reasoning needed. Go somewhere else, and the same tactic works, it just may need a different label. But it’s basically just thought/discussion-terminating through appeal to associations.
>>746668956Other way around. Vibe coding is a real danger to programming as a whole because AI literally don't know how to code it can only copy
>>746668905>"oh, look a handicapped person can do it so you can too!" I hate this because it reminds me of the "all you gotta do to get rich is pull yourself up by your bootstraps!" logic that boomers love to spout. There's a reason why Cawthon, Fox, and the guy who made Stardew Valley are looked at like gods by other game devs and it's because not everyone can do what those guys did.
>>746666398people just can't seem to separate the fact that AI can be used for many parts of the dev process and instead think of it as an all or nothing dilemma
Because libs don't think of videogames as a medium in which one should have fun.Libs think of videogames as an artistic medium where their ideas are expressed.Personally I don't give a shit about games using AI if I'm having fun playing them. If AI was used as a low effort cop out, the gameplay will too.If an indie game used AI to focus on the important things that the dev regards will make the game fun, the gameplay will reflect that.Easy as.
>>746665212sheeple must must must stick with their flock.
>>746669102>Cawthon, Fox, and the guy who made Stardew Valleyyou amusingly listed grifters who took inspiration directly from something else which is exactly what AI does lol
>>746668808>The only people who value AI are the most are, in essence, the worst people using it.they aren't people, they're meat bots. they're soulless homonculi that lack that spark of the divine that distinguishes actual people from mindless animals
>>746667016The Left largely hates it because it breaks their monopoly on creative arts by democratizing it, thus loosening their grip on propaganda production.The "Right" loves it because they are about cutting costs and raising prices, and cutting out overpaid "artists" from the loop lets them lower costs even more.The Right is neutral on this new tool, or embracing it to mock the Left.Actual artists are using it as a tool for rough drafts.
>>746668703How long would it take to walk to the egde of Manhattan and then walk a lap around it? People have gotten lost or stuck just in malls that were even operating at the time
>>746668956>Programmers that don't vibe code these days are making their life harder than it needs to be.I do not disagree with this. However, vibe coding creates a worse product, is something that is potentially felt by the player, is more prone to resulting in errors or additional correction later (which will be similarly "vibe coded" out of), and then creates, facilitates, and encourages the production of lower skilled workers.
>>746669076You are just very uninformed about the whole thing, dunno why you want to keep talking about something you don't really understand
>>746665212If you cut expenses developing a game by using AI, then that should be reflected in the games' pricing - simple as.AI is a two way street. It only "benefits society" when it facilitates inferior but cheaper goods at lower cost to produce in less amounts of time. As soon as someone starts asking full price for said easier/cheaper/faster goods then it is only beneficial for the person producing the slop and demanding a premium for it.It is snake oil.It is Chinese steel.It is Indian call centers.It's a scam.
>>746668597AI just sorta does that unless you feed it specific style instructions. Excessive rendering is one of the easier tells to spot once you know to look for it. Even back when AI was just abysmal, abysmal dogshit the easy tells tended to be 'this fuck up is so high effort that no actual person would make it,' like the model trying to slap a whole bunch of belts onto one part of the subject and then melting them into wax. No actual person would make that sort of fuckup because deliberately doing it that badly would take a huge amount of deliberate time and energy.
>>746669252fuck it we dont need people who make me repeat myself
>>746665568All consumer software has rapidly declined in stability and functionality ever since slop code became available. You can't say it is only a problem of the outrageously negligent and incompetent when it is ubiquitous.
>>746668679>That's why games are >100gb unoptimized pieces of shit now.that was a thing befire this...
>>746665212being against soulless garbage is not exclusive to liberals
>>746669198do you think media is just made in a vacuum completely cutoff from the outside world, anon? Every single product ever made was either built off of a preexisting idea or took inspiration from one.
>>746669261>However, vibe coding creates a worse productIn comparison to what? A billion outsourced jeets who make spaghetti code?Vibe coding is a step above the last decade and a half of game dev.
>>746668679>The doctors and engineers who are "programming" the game are actually using AI to "vibe code" it now.>That's why games are >100gb unoptimized pieces of shit now.LMAO, games have been unoptimized pieces of shit for well over a decade now retard, long before AI was good enough to produce "coherent" code.
>>746669240Literally no one, left or right, wants new ai data mega centersAlthough I have noticed a few rich people that pretend to be conservative pretend anti ai sentiment is Chinese propaganda and that us conservatives love ai data centers but it's not sticking
>>746667252you are delusional and need to leave your echo chamber asap
>>746669361imagine thinking AI doesn't have soul
>>746669324We don't need people like you who can't even conceptualize walking around a city sized building
>>746669261No, that's just not the case. With modern AI coding tools, the things they produce when prompted correctly is better quality than what most programmers can produce. It's really fast to iterate on and you can go back and forth with different parts of the implementation or spar different ways to do it and ask it for explanations of doings things a certain way.Yeah, you can vibe code badly if you just prompt like a retard and let Jesus take the wheel. There are lots of Pahjeets that do just that, but even then their output is better than if they did it by themselves. And you replace the low skilled grunts with a skilled programmer using AI now that they no longer have to micromanage a team of jeets.
>>746669508get lost in a building chud lmao
>>746669442No one wants the Data Centers to pass their costs onto the surrounding area.Which was the deal they were trying to secure, because the companies as a whole haven't found a way to actually turn a profit on their intentionally gimped models.
>>746669102And not everybody has to be at the literal top of the indie market. Unlike that bootstraps bullshit this is literally just a matter of effort. There is nothing, and I mean nothing stopping you other than yourself. Talent is a copout for people who aren't willing to develop skills and you'll never be the next Toby Fox with such a low opinion of yourself
>>746669240>monopolyWhich creative arts are you unable to participate in?
>>746669385Read, anon:>The doctors and engineers who are "programming" the game are actually using AI to "vibe code" it now.
>>746669543No, that anon said it right. No one wants them period. If jeets want to make the internet an unusable shit heap, they can do it with their own water and electricity.
>>746669527You have to realize that anti-AIs crowd understanding of language models is stuck in using free versions of it like Gemini's output in a Google search.None of these people have actually used AI in a professional setting.
>>746667363If you do not have the same passion or drive to learn and cultivate a skill set in the same way that Toby Fox has, then your idea is going to be shit. Your entire way of thinking - your brain chemistry at a fundamental level - is different when you actually experience what it takes to make something. It's tantamount to CEOs or finance teams on big publishers calling the shots on game development with literally zero experience which inevitably ends up wasting time and money as some Indian dev team churns it utter trash in record time to be met with insane losses, which are covered by a new round of job cuts.Except this time you're replacing the talentless CEO with some idea guy, and the Indian work force with a machine that generates assets.You are reaching levels of putrid mediocre dogshit refined on such a level that it almost doubles back in to being performance art to see who can make the most terrible product with the most sincere intentions.
>>746665212>waaaaaah waaaaaah AI terk ur jerwbz!>wait what? nobody cares?>errrm uh, AI… is… s-soulless and uuuhhh immoral, yeah that’s it!>oh yeah and chuds like it or whatever>please save my job I beg of you!
>>746668679They're both bad. Nuke india.
>>746665212>Many consumers don't want AI>Instead of weighing the cost & benefits of using AI and whether or not the cheaper production vs less customers is acceptable, just start moralizing and calling people trannies and ludditesHow fucking stupid are you? Imagine if consumers said "We don't want the red shoes. We want blue shoes" and your response was to say anyone who wants blue shoes is a tranny.
>>746669618If you have all this advice you must be super talented yourself, right anon? Why don't you show me your awe inspiring art or the insane amount of money you pull in on a weekly basis?
>>746669462>better>can't even break the pencilA 30 second photoshop is better
>>746665212>Like GAME 1>Buy GAME 1>Excited for a sequel>Company lays off 80% of the people who made GAME 1 and replaces them with AI and Indians>"Hey man, I don't really want to play GAME 2 now, also how come the game costs $80 + $20 special edition + 3 day early access + battlepass + in game cash shop + DLC and also there is no physical edition anymore? How is AI benefiting me as a consumer?">WOW TRANNY ALERT WE GOT A TRANNY HERE YOU'RE A SHEEPLE TRANNY HELLO TRANNY UH TRANNY YOU DON'T LIKE AI TRANNY?
>>746669529How you would feel if you were lost in a building?
How do I benefit from AI? Why are games so fucking expensive if AI makes them all now? Where is my promised abundance that will make everything dirt cheap because of AI? It feels like everyone spent trillions on it and are now making everything more expensive to make back the money. This feels like a lose-lose for me.
>>746669892The actual analogy is "I want blue shoes but people find out new ways to make red shoes and I'm extremely mad about it"
uh oh luddite tranny melty!
>>746670106>Why are games so fucking expensive if AI makes them all now?Because people pay for them. It's honestly incredible that retards like you don't understand basic market dynamics.
>>746669793By your logic, the printing press actually made books worse because instead of some medieval scribe having to manually copy a book down by hand over the course of months anyone could just print whatever they wanted. accessibility makes things better; just because you have retards that use said accessibility to make a quick buck doesn't change that.
>>746669543Data centers are going to face gigantic NIMBY pressure, and for good reasons. Even when you solve for the water problem they're >a gigantic drain on the local grid >produce so much waste heat they noticeably warm the surrounding neighborhood >they're fucking loud >when they aren't just plugged into the grid, many of them are slated to be run off of local fossil fuel generators which are just going to dump air pollution into the local neighborhood They're legitimately an even bigger cunt to live next to than a nuclear reactor.
>>746665212Do rightgroids care about job security or not?
>>746670056But I did eat a building?
In my experience devs using AI are little bitches who will drop development when shit on too much.
>>746670248The whole data center hate going around online just sounds like the lib equivalent of thinking 5G towers are giving your kids autism but regardless idk why all these data centers have to be built right next to residential buildings and not in Antarctica or the desert or something.
>>746670149Games that have the AI discloser on Steam sell significantly less. Consumers have spoken and they by and large do not want products made with it. There is no "anger" in not buying (isn't that what chuddah is about?). We literally know for a fact that general consumers, not just twitter trannies, do not like the slop.Tim Sweeny has taken to moralizing these people instead of just accepting the fact that people are not happy with AI made products.
>>746670381>People have been taught to not trust Big Tech because we know they spy on you, we know they sell your data to china, we know they censor and control information, we know they have political biases, we know that social media has been terrible for people, we know that big tech keeps bribing politicians>Be shocked when they don't want a massive physical representation of big tech next door to themAre you stupid? Why would you even want a data center? So you can be physically (instead of digitally) raped and have the footage sold to China?
>>746670268I went into the electrician trade. From my view, it's more jobs. Must suck to be an office pencilpusher these days, but I know they will never respect me so, lmao xd.
>>746669929I'm not talented. I literally said talent is fake. And what's that retarded ass narrative you've spun up? That's on the level of needing to be a pro chef to judge food. My art is not for people I respect, and it's not for sale
>>746670381>AntarcticaI thought everyone agreed that Antarctica shouldn't be exploited for commercial gain.>desertThey'd get too hot?
>>746670231That's more an issue of distribution than actually writing the book, though.
>>746670401So games that use AI will sell less and the market will force them to sell cheaper. What's the problem then?>BUT THEY HAVE TO DISCLOSE ITBut I thought it was obvious that a game that used AI was filled with slop?>BUT DECEIVING BUYERSStandard business practice that has happened for decades now and gamers will still buy that shit as the goycattle that they are.Again, you are shouting at clouds. AI will not disappear simply because the libs think it debases their dogshit artistic viewpoints.
>>746669103I agree, it's unfortunate that we live in a world where everyone has lacked nuance.
>Why don't people like the technology created by people who exclusively brag about how everyone will lose their jobs once it has mainstream adoptionAI needs better PR. Every person who is involved with it comes across as a genuine, actual socio/psychopath, or they're incredibly cringe. Why is it that the main message being pushed is "Dude, you can replace all your employees with AI!" Don't they know that most people are employees and not business owners?
>>746666990Nobody cares about smelly code people but if you steal art then you're evil -AlwaysOnlineE-Warrior69
>>746665212Most lefties hate ai cause it removes a method of money siphoning
>>746670498Get ready for the response to ignore everything but the typo in the last sentence
>>746670631You're the only one who is creating a problem because no one wants your AI jeetslop game, paki.
>>746670478Data centers are being built for a reason, anon. If you don't build them here then you're just asking for all the facilities where your medical and banking records are stored to be build overseas which is exactly what China wants. >>746670504Then Canada or just tear up Yosemite or Yellowstone, there's totally remote places you can put these things.
>>746665212>lots of game devs are libs>libs have game dev friends>AI about to invalidate themand then the whole AI art stuff
>>746670727>creating a product that no one wants to buy is creating a problem for the buyersFascinating.
>>746670231That is an astounding leap of logic, these aren't even remotely the same thing.If someone served you up food that tastes like shit on a paper plate, a regular plate, or on a golden antique plate used exclusively by royalty for over 500 years - it doesn't stop the food from tasting like utter shit.The chef is still terrible. The ingredients chosen are the worst you possible can find. The oil? Sourced straight from the nearest sewer gutter. Corners were cut from the top down and it reflects in the final product.
>>746668597It's due to the whole fact AI has an overcompensation issue, it can make things look really waxy or too perfect, that can make things look really off. But then again it's due to training the AI to not do that through prompting and better data.
>>746670779You said "this sounds like 5G towers for libtards!" and I clearly explained why people have a very warranted, very logical, very rational, very understandable distrust of big tech. You didn't even address that, you just said "we need them anyways" which is irrelevant to why people distrust them. Big Tech raped everyone for like 20 years and they're shocked that people are throwing them the middle finger.
>>746665212It's about sending a message
>>746670248It's not just a "not in MY backyard" problem. No one wants it in anyone's yards.>>746670381No it's more like when people don't want their electricity rates to triple, the heat to go up 4-20 degrees, their water poisoned, and to hear a loud whine through their walls all day everyday. Of course you know all of those are real things you can look up happening right?
>>746670832You're seething on 4chan because consumers are not buying your product. You're trying to just pretend like it is only trannies on twitter who get "mad" but we have objective data showing people don't want to buy the games. Either the twitter trannies are everyone who buys games on steam (doubtful) or it is simply true that the average consumer is weary of AI products.
>>746668975nothing you can do about it
>>746665212Some people just have a Pavlovian response to AI. They hear "AI" and they violently shit themselves. You saw it with the reaction to the DLSS 5 mod. Not even an official release, just a mod. I also can't help but notice that the majority of people against AI are trannies. It's weird but I thought it was worth pointing out.
>>746668808>Why would I pay for something I can just prompt myself?Because you do not know how the tool works, and neither do the "AI will save the world" types. It's not about prompting it's about iteration and about augmentation and assist work. Anyone that does what you think and what others say is not utilizing the tool properly at all.
>>746670832Wouldn't it be the same problem people have with shovelware clogging online storefronts, though?
>>746670268If a jewish overlord commands to use slop they will
>>746665568>and lets the codebase become an inefficient, buggy slop swamp, or the code is available publiclyprompt: "Act like a software engineer and increase the efficiency of this source code"There, game fixed. Takes 2 seconds.
>>746665212Never bought a game using AI. Never will.
>>746669618I would say you're right about some other things but when it comes to music, no, it really does depend a lot on natural talent. Some people are just tone deaf and will never be good at music. Blanket statements like "talent is a copout" is what's a load of shit, because in some cases you absolutely cannot force the square peg through the round hole
>>746670915No, I'm quite literally arguing that products should sell based on their quality and quality alone.You are arguing around perceived quality surrounding AI, which as I already stated, matters jackshit in the long run.And no, the average consumer doesn't give a single shit about AI slop. Just look around and everyone is still using Dalle 2.0 generated images as graphic design for their shit.
>>746670950>TranniesSar you are right sar! Bloody bichod tranny bastards hate the AI!
>>746671025That's fine, I've never bought a first person shooter game and those games are still around and being produced.
>>746670852Honestly I chalk it up more to people being lazy. You can tone down those effects, or spend time kitbashing or doing really basic paint overs then feeding it into img2img. Hell even just try more generations, but some people are satisfied with a one-button product, regardless of quality.
>>746665212>Turning this into some culture war nonsenseThis has to be an elaborate psyop right?
>AI is loved by Indians, Pakis, and other brownoid 3rd worlders>The most vocal opponents of AI are trannies
>>746671069Case in point.
>>746670642>yeah well you guys are MEAN!luddites aren’t sending their best
>>746665212>someone dislikes something I like>must be a libYou're barely even fucking pretending this is about video games.
>>746665568AI is fake progress, it doesn't really add anything except for make people dumber and jews richer. In a decade we will have a generation of drooling retards who cannot do shit without chat gpt. And sloppa cannot exist without harvesting human data so the end is a bit predictable.
>>746665212i bet they use AI a lot though. where i am, libs drive teslas with bumper stickers that say >i'm anti-elonwhy do they even hate him again? that's like their dream car and they wish they can be a yuppie like him
>>746671157Why would the average person support something that they're told will make them lose their job? Try to be rational for a second.
>>746671056>perceived quality>>746666251
>>746667116modern christcucks lack soul and creative thinking, they can't appreciate art. it's easier to just be a reactionary about things for the sole reason of voting against your enemy.
>>746671193Elon was completely unqualified to be involved in the government and he himself even admitted he regretted DOGE and getting so heavily into politics because of the blowback he received.
>>746671009Boomers and zoomers literally think this is how AI works and you can use it like this and everything will be fine
>>746670478That's so weird how AI zealots are so willing and accepting of another way to be spied on. Maybe it's worth it to gen Isabelle drinking lemonade.
>>746665212If it isn't worth making it it isn't worth paying for it.
>>746671113Ya they're for sure trying to pretend the right wing stance is to be pro ai and data center and anyone against it is just repeating Chinese disinformation, but they forgot we can just see the negative things actually happening
Has AI actually improved people's lives?
I think it is totally fair to ask as a customer what benefit I get from AI because while some indie game may or may not be theoretically cheaper based off of it, every AAA game is still $70. If a game costs the same regardless of AI or not, why would I pick the one that uses AI? Any answers that don't contain the word "tranny" "jeet" "lib" "nazi" or any other culture war related buzzword?
It is all tools in the end. It's not electronic Jesus nor is it electronic Satan. How well the end result turns out is still on the human.
>desperately trying to make this a blue vs red team thingthis is a brown scammer retards vs people with brains issue
You know, I think it's funny that jeets pretend to be conservatives when the most conservative choice is to burn all data centers down.
>>746671189>And sloppa cannot exist without harvesting human dataIf you took a human child and tossed them in the jungle and by some miracle they survived, would they grow up to know and understand everything that you or I do? No, retard, because modern society only exists by virtue of drawing from the millennia of other people's learnings. You are posting your ignorant drivel on a machine that is the end result of a long, long procession of people "harvesting human data".
>>746671050>tone deafBeethoven composed his greatest works completely deaf
>>746671513Maybe lazy people, who are even more easily replaceable than human workers.
>>746671275LMAO
>>746671453The right wing is generally pro AI though. The reason is because Trump courted big tech for his reelection. Vance was chosen as VP because of his ties to Peter Thiel and other technocrats. They have donated a ton to the Trump administration, and Trump himself is very pro-AI. The cryptobros also joined the right because Trump and his administration were very pro-crypto, Trump himself even launched a shitcoin. Every big tech company CEO has gone to the Whitehouse to kowtow before Trump.The people who are anti-AI on the right also happen to generally be the anti-Trump part of the right, usually people who also hate Israel and Zionism, and the Israeli government itself is also very openly pro AI.
>>746665212It is evil;, it has no purpose other than devaluing humanity, it is a massive drain on resources which will lead to famines and water rationing in just a few years thanks to (((exponential))) growth, it deprives man of joy. There is not one single use for (((ai))) that isn't demonic.
>>746671661Why are you laughing about something he said? Well, not the unqualified part, that is my opinion, but he himself did regret it.
>>746671056>long runThe long run has nothing to do with what's available now. You're asking us to buy shit on the promise that the shit producers will eventually release something good
>>746671126and trannies are majority white, so...
>>746671312prove him wrong, post the most buggiest source code imaginable and let's see if it can't be fixed by AI. Something like Yandere Simulator for example.
>>746671692KEK
>>746671606Lol rajeesh, you're dumb as fuck. Humans can actually create, slop cannot. If you drop a few kids in the jungle they will create a civilization if they survive.
>>746665212Products don't "feel" the same to sadists when you remove the human suffering aspect. That's why some still value natural diamonds to the now superior lab-made ones you can make by the ton. Knowing an enslaved African child chiseled their stone out of mine warms their heart, just like a knowing a miserable software dev slaved away for months during crunch.
>>746665212if AI is used for much of the dev then they shouldn't be able to make a profit from it. the reason why we dislike AI stuff is because it is trivial for a computer to do things like this but difficult for humans to do it.
>>746670843This has nothing to do with food, dip shit. Nobody's forcing you to sit down and eat at a restaurant that serves grool the same way nobody's forcing you to play games with AI slop. My point was that accessibility makes things better. Think of all the people that were able to make great games with the help of Game Maker or Godot or free tutorials on YouTube. Is AI perfect right now? No, obviously, but I think in the future it could be an incredibly useful tool when it comes to game development. Theoretically, it could even get to the point where you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference between an AI-generated game and a game made by a person.
>i hate elon but i'll buy his car and use his AI and AI in general>i did it! i became a programmer! time to program AI (which i hate) for the enemies (who like AI)!truly one of the most cucked people. even the government give a them everything so they can be good boys, but they end up cucking themselves. it's incredible!
>check steam page>no ai disclosure>no proof of ai being used in the game at all>twitter screencap thread is just an excuse to shit up the board with yet another aijeet topic
>>746665212ai for development is fake and gay (unless a particular model is exclusively trained on in-house data)ai as part of gameplay is novel and interesting
I like how people are saying that data centers are going to get abandoned and people are supposedly panicking about not seeing use, when in reality Microsoft and other companies are having to build new data centers because their current ones just don't have enough capacity to meet the demand. You literally cannot make most compute resources in the old data centers because there is not enough hardware available right now
>>746665568>raw AI for visuals or other user-facing components are extremely easy to spotIt absolutely is not, not if it's done well. Fortnite has been AI slopping for months before they were "caught" by uploading a video showing all the AI stuff
>>746666386Their mistake was believing there would be no more work, when in fact the volume of jobs and services increased as the economy became more complex.In fact, the Industrial Revolution ultimately proved extremely beneficial for workers. Despite the initial problems, which were not few, in the end there was far more work, money, products, wealth, and a better quality of life, among other things. So much so that the Marxist Jews of the Frankfurt School, seeing that everything Marx predicted was wrong, and that workers were actually becoming wealthier and happier thanks to the very system the Jewish Marx sought to destroy, had to rework the foundations of that thought (into Neo-Marxism) to convince people they needed to give up those benefits and embrace the subversion and destruction of Gentile society, in order to make way for Jewish globalism.Now the question is whether the "AI revolution" will do the same. For now, all we are seeing is products and services getting worse while everything becomes more expensive. There are indications that these technologies will also be extremely detrimental to the more "metaphysical" aspects of things, such as the arts' transcendental role in the human spirit. There are also signs that people are becoming addicted to asking AIs questions, thereby losing the ability to learn how to conduct research and construct lines of reasoning.
>>746671882You may enjoy your woodwork covered in machining marks but I have higher standards
>>746665212>What is it about uncredited stolen data being used in game development that makes the average user fill violently with disgust?FTFY
>>746671882I wouldn't call them sadists, they're just simple people who measure the value of things in human suffering. Oh 100 people suffered for 2 years to make this? Well then it must be valuable
>>746665212>retarded jeet thinks were gonna fall for this dumb left/right bait try again
>>746671138Quit samefagging.
>>746672042I buy shit to use. Fuck do I care how it's made. If my bed and dresser has designs at all it's just a bonus on top of being a bed and dresser.
>>746665212>White women (and men pretending to be women) found another way to ask for attention on the internetJesus fucking Christ. I dislike AI but good job with people like that I wouldn't be surprised if out of pure contrarianism others wouldn't switch to the AI side. Feels like a linux situation where the fanbase is detrimental to the product.
>>746672138>uncredited stolen dataThere are literally thousands of uncredited stolen images on 4chan right now. Here's one, I just stole that one randomly from some guy. Are you filled violently with disgust?
>>746672138You know you are posting this on a site where pirating is acceptable and encouraged?
>>746671606>t. p-zombie
>>746672215Like I said, standards. Then again I've actually worked in furniture so I can spot flaws a mile away that you don't even notice
>>746672248They are not used for profit, that's the difference.
>>746666531If only the people brigading against AI weren't a bunch of leftist faggots then we might be comrades. But my disgust for them outweighs most other things.
>>746672312Right, so you don't randomly chimp out when people post AI images or videos on 4chan for free do you? Well somebody does
>>746671614Perfect example of natural inborn talent that cannot be taught, yes
>>746671868>If you drop a few kids in the jungle they will create a civilization if they survive.this has happened before
>>746672215Same for me, but I think the whole argument about the ethics of it are pure nonsense as long as the same people wear clothes made by illegal child labour in Bangladesh or some shit. Like it's the same as some bitch nagging at me about my carbon footprint while she flies 5 times abroad a year and has 10x the carbon footprint compared to me
>>746671272Projection
>>746666386no anon, the problem is jewish people using their finances to force government people (those supposed to help you) into making laws to make it harder for you to make your own job and sell your own stuff.
Holy shit this discourse is fucking exhausting, just nonstop attempts at "gotcha" analogies on both sidesJust argue on your own merits
>>746665212I'm as right-wing as they come and I don't like AI art in my videogames. Art (any kind of art, music, 3d sculpting, drawing) is a deeply human thing and should be created by humans, specifically humans with a soul.I don't care about AI in code cause it's all computer instructions, so unless your game is a spaghetti mess of unsafe code that's gonna leak my data, go ahead, use Claude as much as you like.The issue is that most people are low IQ savages who just parrot AI BAD AI BAD AI BAD without any kind of nuance or capacity for analysis.
>>746665568ai is good for static visuals. you can see directly if there's any issues and can correct them. if you're lazy/have poor taste and just use the default chat gpt images, the customer can see directly and avoid your game (a good thing). ai in the code is unreliable, and creates a potential cascade of hard to track issues, and the customer can not see any of this.
Most of it is either >Culture war faggotry, from jeetsaar garbage to team sports nonsense to virtue signaling>"Ar-teest bullshit", either of the "nobody will pay for my furry porn if they can generate enough fap material" or "fartnsiffing SOVL IT NOT REAL ART HURR" while they claim that their digitally created "CGI" would have been called the same thing by similarly outdated people 20 years ago. >Something something RAM/GPU expensive, AI itself bad, instead of megacorp profiteering bad >something something datacenters bad, environment being harmed too, instead of megacorp profiteering and regulatory capture bad>Some tard used AI to do something cheap and bad looking or empowered their model to waste time submitting non-verified bugs to a FOSS project - not really the AI's fault, but the tard for how they were using it.Ultimately there's very little of any note and while they fight over this shit and post SLOPSLOPSLOP the billionaires fixating on controlling it and selling it make more and more money and pull the ladder up behind them. Most people are fighting the wrong war - its not >AI GOOD vs AI BAD, its >HOW WE USE AND BENEFIT WIDELY FROM AI IN AN OPEN MANNER INSTEAD OF ITS BENEFITS BEING GRABBED BY MEGACORPS WHO CONTROL IT AND WE GET STUCK WITH THE BILL
>>746666531its purpose is making games look better so more people to buy nvidia gpus, and making it easier to make games so there are more games to playthis is all good stuff
>>746666251Saya no uta looks more grotesque than I remembered
>>746667116They already lost. They know they lost so they're just letting all the non believers fuck themselves over becsuse they tried to stop it and we called them boring old fashioned retards.
>>746672248No, because you aren't transforming it with demonic processes. It is the same image and not tampered with.
>>746672301It's nice that you have the credentials to be snobby at a specific type of product. I don't know why you feel the need to be that way, but whatever floats your boat.
>>746672391There's even a manga where exactly that happens.
>>746672448images are just codes though, you are not right-wing you're a schizophrenic closeted leftytroon
>>746672248>>746672257>t. retards that don't see the difference between community based zeitgeist dissemination of information and corpo slop vacuum systemsPiracy isn't theft dipshits, the people pushing the AI slop are the same people pushing the "you will own nothing" ethos because it in turn justifies their theft of your creations to make them a quick buck.
>>746665212>Scarlet
>>746672489My AI is using 100% Christian approved methods. Jesus himself has blessed my model
>>746672383If tone deafness is that bad then a tone deaf person isn't going to be able to generate good music either >cannot be taughtHe was taught by multiple instructors from the age of five
>>746666531>video games cost too much and take too long to make!>ok here’s a tool that makes production cheaper and quicker >NOOO NOT LIKE THAT
>>746671882>>746672153Now THIS was quite a ham-fisted effort - attempting to conflate human effort with suffering.Why did you bother?
>>746672138AI uses "uncredited stolen data" to exactly the same extent that a human developer uses "uncredited stolen data" to make their game. "Influences", aesthetic taste, story structure, personal values and technical skills are all things you picked up somewhere and mashed together from stories and life experiences that go uncredited and certainly unpaid for. Nobody making a "Ghibli-inspired love letter to classic rpgs" thinks they should be cutting checks to defunct Japanese dev shops and their own CS teachers.
>>746672616>makes production cheaperconsumers sure ain't seeing anything cheaper
>>746667084It's the exact same thing that happened when that healthcare CEO got shot. People across every spectrum were happy that scum got killed, and then the left/right debate happened and the right gobbled up the narrative blindly.Killing Americans for profit is now a good thing.
>>746672551Ok, I will miss you in eternity but I can't do anything to save you.
>>746672629>he thinks humans don't revel in the suffering of other humansFirst day on Earth?
>>746672506Oh I'm sorry for not buying something I don't want. How rude of me. We should all just throw our money at whatever gets shilled to us so the AI fags don't get hurt feelings
>>746672715If its not more expensive, then it is getting cheaper.inflation is real and it was invented by people more educated than you, muhammed.
>>746672616Who the fuck cares about the cost for AAA shitty studios that look and play worse than ever?
>>746671868sar please do the needful for us and consult the gemini about what happens to children who grow up in isolation using real life examples
>>746666736Lying nigger
>>746672715Because the technology hasn’t been integrated totally yet.Even if the price remains the same, it still helps with the problem of development hell.
>>746672736My brother in Christ, I pray before every prompt. I'll pray for you tonight
>>746667827The prevalence of AI ensures that the lack of good games will NEVER be addressed, because it's all going to be lowest common denominator slop to attract Indians with.Retard.
>>746672715Cheaper production + same selling price = mo' monies.It's a matter of seeing if dumbass customers actually fall for it. And I reckon it did cuz AAA is going 70-80 bucks now.
>>746672793You are exactly right, not only they will create a civilization - they will turn into jelly and become as gods.
>>746672792Not you, obviously.
>>746665212Im right wing and fuck AI.How right wing? That facist character you make up in your head when a basic neocon speaks are my actual political views.AI is generally worthless. A few things are worthwhile...but sure as fuck not art or video generation.
>>746668679>The correct way to piss and shit yourself about AI is the more "invisible" applications of itYeah, that's pretty much it. Those are the real Trojan horses when it comes to forcing a "new thing" on you.First, they get you used to it through vibe coding, after all, people don't directly interact with it. Then they push it through ads and marketing, people may not like it but they slowly start getting acclimated to seeing it every day. Then comes AI music, low importance VA roles, and small UI integrations, people can barely tell the difference unless it's pointed out to them anyway.Then it starts becoming more and more prominent, you see that the cattle not caring as much as they did before before, "it's cheaper and I can't stop it anymore anyway", it gets bigger and bigger while the resistance starts slowly dwindling, and at that point it's pretty much over.People are misguided about what to do against AI. Instead of throwing tantrums online against x and y for using AI and try to get them canceled for a small moral "victory" they should be pushing for it to get regulated, get artists legal protections about their work being used for training, and introduce taxes for AI generated content in products/marketing to balance the scales when it inevitably becomes cheaper than hiring a real human. At the end of the day the only language corpos understand is money.
>>746672506>he doesn't realize that he just admitted he guzzles whatever goyslop fills up the empty pit of his soul the fastest>he doesn't realize he's lost the light of humanity that pushed us to great things
>>746665212if someone didnt care enough to make it themselves why should i care about paying for it?this also goes for pajeet outsourcing btw
>>746665212Because it encouraged lazinessI've yet to see AI being used to bring more quantity while maintaining the same quality
>>746672506Might as well eat gas station sushi, don't wanna seem like a snob
>>746672836>He gave his soul over to Mammon>He claims that doing so still saves him in the eyes of Christ"So you see, we are shown to be right with God by what we do, not by faith alone." James 2:24
>>746673117You both worship a far worse demon.
>>746672836No matter whether you are a believer or not, my post is true. I can do nothing to save you, as only Jesus Christ can save. But I would never use any (((ai))) for any reason as it is all demonic, and even though the saints can cast out demons I will not be so prideful as to count myself among their ranks. May the Light of Christ always shine upon you.
>>746673117Sorry, but I follow the Neon Bible written by Richard Burnish, you know the updated version of the Bible?
>>746672897>facistHeh. Leftists everyone
>>746673181Your likely brown and thus dont deserve to speak in a civilized world.
>>746672897Why do you talk as if writing code and videos is really that easy?
I have fun ruining game sales by demanding to know if AI was usedlike I dont give a shit if you did but I like to fuck you over it anyway
>>746672897>facisthaha right wing sure
>>746666402No, it's very easy to detect in writing.
>>746665212I'm centre-left leaning and mostly the first point as >>746672448points out.If it's not made by humans trying to have a connection with an audience, what's the point?On top of that it shows the devs put in the absolute least amount of effort they could get away with and just serve generic slop. I don't even buy that when its human made like in your average ubisoft thrash. I'd rather play a crude/ugly game with human intent and direction.I'm not a coder so not going to comment on that part.
>>746668679>That's why games are >100gb unoptimized pieces of shit now.Who cares? Just get a better computer, thirdie. What are you, poor? No wonder you're a dipshit libcuck luddite. Technology has solved this problem.
>>746670968It's already destroyed the online self-publishing market for literature. Now every jeet is dribbling their AI shits all over the place and there's no way to find out what's actually good to read anymore.
>>746666386Reminder the original Luddites had evidence that this was the case from the industrial revolution, where people's life expectancies and quality of life fell harshly for about 100 years. Only recovering once unionization efforts took hold. It wasn't uncommon in some parts of london to have a life expectancy under 30 because of the poverty and dangerous conditions brought upon by industrialization and automation of otherwise simple tasks that could have been done by hand but weren't as profitable.
>>746665212This whole AI war started because some cryptofags started saying that AI is going to replace humans
>>746671312Interestingly enough, both generations have no clue what a "folder" on a computer is.
uh oh failed artist shilling once again
>>746673435i feel like the push for ai is the end of the internet as a useful medium of exchangesince there is no way to verify that a person is accessing the internet, there's really no solution going forward except to starting to use it less
>>746670248>produce so much waste heat they noticeably warm the surrounding neighborhood >when they aren't just plugged into the grid, many of them are slated to be run off of local fossil fuel generators which are just going to dump air pollution into the local neighborhoodStupid luddite libcuck.Global warming is debunked fake news by Chynah who just wants useful idiots like you to sabotogue America's AI lead
>>746666386Mass automation is literally the reason why you're allowed to have 95% of the shit inside your home.Without it you wouldn't even have a PC or internet.
>>746672436>>746672035>Their mistake was believing there would be no more workNo, their mistake was thinking people cared about their plight. There is extremely credible evidence from the birth of the Industrial revolution that more automation ruins the lives of countless thousands as it forces them to transition to jobs and roles that aren't as safe and didn't pay as well. Engles Pause was a period of about ~50-80 years when factory and farm owners were controlling everything through automation and the average person could live their entire lives without seeing a cent of the benefits of that automation.
>>746665212Good morning sir.
>>746673435>there's no way to find out what's actually good to read anymore.How about you read the damn thing and if it's shit you stop reading? And then when you find something you enjoy reading and that feels informative, you read that content?
>>746673435As if you could tell before. Publishers don't know shit. They pick a random 80th percentile writer out of a hat and that's the author on store shelves. If you only knew what an incompetent cartel they were running you wouldn't be bitching about AI opening up actual darwinist conditions that they were blocking off by squatting on the gates.
>>746672786>Claiming things aren't getting more expensive>PC parts are getting more expensive each month>Consoles and PC parts are more expensive than ever>GTA 6 is $100 at launch for no extra contentDamn nigga, you dumb
>>746673692Is nobody going to call out the obvious propaganda that the first reply to any AI thread is always to connect AI to Indians?
>>746672448>Art (any kind of art, music, 3d sculpting, drawing) is a deeply human thing and should be created by humans, specifically humans with a soul.Art is gay tranny shit. Go get a real job. You don't belong in the right, libcuck.
>>746665212>libsCommunists, you're thinking of communists
>>746673782being a filthy jeet is not propaganda
>>746672436>>746672035>>746673685>>746673648And it gets worse when you look at life expectancy. The jobs that replaced pretty common farm and trade labor were exceedingly dangerous. It would be like demanding all people losing a job to AI right now go out and work extremely hard trade jobs with intense manual labor because AI can't do that. You know most people wouldn't survive that.The AI bubble is bigger in scale than the industrial revolution, affecting billions of people. If pic related happens for even a few years, there will be riots and blood shed. The people who say "Deal with it" are retards who will be the first to be killed and looted if the food gets turned into ethanol to power datacenters, instead.
>>746673781Literally all of that is Trump's fault.
>>746673782then shut the fuck up about it. we will not do the needful SAAAAR
>>746671614But he wasn't tone deaf, and he could still hear the music by biting a metal rod.
>>746666386>Far rightist sounds like a commieInteresting how often that happens.
>>746673846Can we please go back to 1543? It was a far better time to be alive.
>>746673935Trump was president for lockdowns though, checks and vaccines too
>>746673605The Dead Internet Theory wasn't real, so tech CEOs made it real for the sake of profit.
>>7466672522 more weeks, comrade!
>>746666736>The AI pushback has always been about AI-generated imagesIt's not though. People have been pushing back on using AI in all aspects of everything.
>>746665212I am not paying money for any "art" that wasn't made by humans. Simple as.
if you use stolen data in your work it should at least be free for all
>>746673695Look I know Indians like you are used to wading through garbage with no reward, but human beings like me require some payoff for our wasted time.>>746673737>Heh, things were pretty bad with publishers before AI? Well AI infecting self-publishing, which is immune to publishers, with low-quality crap will make things way better!You're a fucking retard.
>>746674184I feel like people have chilled out about AI code since the strides made in agentic AI and gotten to use it firsthand, actually, at least in programming scenes.
>>746666402Detecting AI-generated text isn't about looking for awkward phrasing anymore—it's about spotting the invisible structure beneath the surface. You can edit the vocabulary all day, swap out synonyms, and inject personal anecdotes, but no amount of rewriting completely erases the underlying digital fingerprint. The reason is that AI inherently relies on a distinct lack of genuine cognitive "friction." Human writing is messy, asymmetric, and deeply retarded. When someone tries to disguise AI text by adding nigger or faggot, they usually just end up creating a cope.>Symmetrical PacingAI loves balance. It defaults to rhythmically uniform paragraphs, predictable clause lengths, and structured transitions that feel polished to a fault, while the flesh puppets that patrol our world write in bursts, mixing abrupt, single-word punches with rambling, multi-comma run-ons, with sentences that go on for hundreds of words by abusing the comma as a period without end, over and over, until you have something incomprehensible. And then, short, pseudo-intellectual, fragment sentences.>Over-Scaffolded LogicEven heavily edited AI text retains a telltale structural rigidity and precision->Sanded-Down EdgesHuman voice is defined by hyper-specific bias, odd metaphors, and slightly imperfect analogies. AI, by design, gravitates toward the safest, most normalfag ground. Even when prompted to sound "retarded" or "based," the underlying tone feels like an anon samefagging himself, poorly.>The "Summary" InstinctHumans state their point, hit send, and walk away.
Ai feels somewhat unique.Because people wanna make money with it, everyone's still figuring out what to use it for, and it's ruining everything.What's most similar to AI? Cocaine?
Good morning sirs!
>>746674470What you said is correct, but the people who use AI are also often stupid enough to eventually leave the prompt in too.I read multiple "news stories" genned by AI where that happened. Laziness begets laziness.
>>746674563HIV
Learn your words better saar.
>>746666727Yes you are, saar.
>>746674563Rape, but the people getting raped are actually asking for it this time.
>>746674470In my experience on 4chan just writing a post as long as yours with any kind of thought put into it at all will get someone to accuse you of using AI to generate it. The bussin frfr nocap generation evidently can’t comprehend that people take time to write things, anything appearing to involve any level of consideration or effort must in fact be slop.Having AI write for you is sad. It’s sad to be so illiterate you need a giant machine to turn an idea into a coherent statement.
>>746673173>Sorry, but I follow a false prophet who will lead me to hellFTFY, find salvation, anon.
>>746674563A car back when people used horses.
>>746674859so its not like rape at all?
>>746674470I get this is probably parody but I really hate the bullet-pointing style Claude likes to do all the time. Also overuse of commas, especially stuff like "it's not X, it's Y."
If a magical genie somehow completely erased LLM technology from existence the world would be strictly better tomorrow.
>>746674681>what do we use HIV for?>>746674859>how do we make money off of rape?>>746674943Grifter.
>>746675005There was no parody, I literally just asked gemni to generate the post, and then I edited, just like what >>746666402 said. I didn't think that would be true.
>>746674998>SAAAAAR WHAT U MEAN SAAAAAR I LACK CULTURAL KNOWLEDGE OF FAMOUS ALIBI FOR RAPIST SAAAAAAR GRANDFATHER NEVER COMPLAIN SAAAAAAARAnd so on and so forth.
>>746674470Your post actually does one thing AI writing does all the time. It loves rules of three. A thing is always this, that, and the other thing. It has an idea, a follow-up idea, and then an idea to close it off. It loves doing this, and it loves to enumerate the reasons it does this with lists which also follow this rule.I’m not going to carry on like that because writing that way is exhausting but AI writes using the five paragraph essay format a lot, probably because there’s an abundance of sample text that uses it.
>programmers being laid off left and right. >no one gives a shit because they can't see it.I dare say no one will give a shit even if they see it.
>>746675079more homos make more HIV, and they are dependent of the drugs for the rest of their lives. HIV is simply used to make more homos.
>>746674563>What's most similar to AI?it's only really the level of something like smelting. AI can do more than ores can though, so it's a much bigger deal potentially
>>746675093Makes sense, I wanted to give the benefit of the doubt since emdashes are such a common tell (no clue why models still use them so often).
>>746675120/v/ usually cheers for people getting laid off if there is any indication they could be leftists.
>>746675120I’ll support vibe coding when it starts causing performance to improve rather than degrade. See you in 209never.
>>746672745We're not you, faggot.
>>746675258Because they’re extremely common in formal and technical writing, they’re only uncommon in casual online discourse because there’s no key for them. They’re a tell that someone at the very least formatted their text in a word processor rather than a post window. Obviously when trained on books and articles it sees them constantly, and has no idea what context its text output will appear in.
>>746674330You mean the vax Trump was so confident in that he named it after himself?
>>746674470>It defaults to rhythmically uniform paragraphs, predictable clause lengths, and structured transitions that feel polished to a fault, while the flesh puppets that patrol our world write in bursts, mixing abrupt, single-word punches with rambling, multi-comma run-ons, with sentences that go on for hundreds of words by abusing the comma as a period without end, over and over, until you have something incomprehensible.irony or meta commentary? call it
>>746675458It’s neither, it’s AI-generated text>>746675093
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>>746665212>libsyou guys have been hyping this shit up because of political views for years>oh libs don't like then it's good or>i hope they lose their jobsbut you can't think over this shit for 2 minutes. AI is making our everyday life worse. You're paying more for shitty hardware. your games are getting slop because of that, soon you will consume movies created with that. And you guys think this is ok because "it hurts" the other side. Stop it! Soon cloud gaming will be the standard because you wont be able to buy the latest hardware that your favorite franchise will require the dlss5 "for the best experience". We already on the point of no return of games using frame gen and scaling shit like dlss and fsr on their requirements. stop it now4chan used to be a place of outsiders that would tell the system to fuck off but now you guys suck their balls and defend this bsim glad i only play retro games
>>746674470Sloppa cannot into coherent and long stories, even if we excuse the hallucinations it does not really remember shit so it just starts reimagining things.I tried reading a slop book and it would constantly change the amount of soldiers, the reason why the revolution even started, people's age would change back and forth, etc.
>>746674563Plastic and polyester. Companies tried replacing as much as they could with these to save costs. AI is exactly the same
>>746671774Good example because that clusterfuck of a game struggles so much because the dev is an incompetent retard and to actually optimize it the game will need to be rewritten from the ground up. Not even with Claude Fable such a task can be done easily, and you'll need actual programming experience to avoid the AI going around doing things it shouldn't do. I know that because I've been using it extensively at work, and even in our rather small projects you have to babysit it a lot.That's why non-programmers will never be at the same level of programmers. You're unable to understand what the AI is writing and why it may be bad or not.
>>746675560I'm fairly sure jeets just use bots everywhere to shill sloppa.
>>746674943A piece of unreliable shit?
>we're going to slopify the arts and give everything a similar garish look/sheen>you're job? We hope you enjoyed it because we're working on replacing you with AI>you want customer support? now you have to use our AI chatbot/call center that goes in circles and can't do anything to actually fix your problems>why do people hate AI
>>746665568>AI for the programming end is basically impossible to spotthe game will run like shit if it runs at all
>>746665212What is it about newfags and posting twitter shit?
>>746675093>>746674470I didn't guess it was AI until I saw the word "friction" in the post, I've never heard a human say "cognitive friction" so I had my doubts, but wanting to give benefit of the doubt, I assumed that maybe it's an expression that people use now specifically because AI uses it so much (which is an interesting thing to think about). It's small things that you can only spot if you use these models a lot, really.
>>746669103We just don’t want the fucking data centers
>>746675989AI shouldn’t really have “tells”, it’s a flat gray amalgam of human speech. It should be boring and uninspired but not really “incorrect”, everything it does is just it emulating how it observed humans actually wrote. The emdash is a weird quirk that arises because of formatting restrictions. Any time you see an AI do some shit and thing “who writes like that?” the answer has to be “tens of thousands of people across millions of scraped pages of training data”
>>746676153lots of people used them before AI you fucking dipshit, that's why AI uses them
>>746675838People, especially suits, are retarded. They see something like this and instead of thinking "how can we have our employees use the tool when appropriate to be more efficient?" they instead think "perfect now we can just fire all our workers and have the tool do everything". They don't know anything but sitting around in a board room and pretending to be important so they can't judge the quality of the "work" done by LLMs
>>746676286Russians use it a lot, which leads me to the conclusion that all Russians are bots.
>>746665212women and feminized men are starting to realize that their use to society is zerothey are panicking, obviously
>>746676153>it’s a flat gray amalgam of human speechI mean that's why it has tells, it's an average of tons of drastically different styles of writing that lead to some common output that doesn't sound right. Like whatever the hell "the smell of ozone" means in Silly Tavern.
>>746665212Artists are high status among leftists and there is a whole ecosystem of junkie leftists living six to a house on welfare while buying drugs with the extra money they make from getting commissions to scribble fursonas and OCs, or at least take money for it and then just fuck off while crying mental health crisis. AI replaces that specific niche for a lot of people, so it's costing these bluesky artists their extra income. Not a complicated problem.
>>746667252>tech is over and all tech companies will go bankrupt forever and dissappearI have never in my life heard such cope
>>746665212>What is it about AI being used in game development that makes libs violently seethe and piss themselves?What's funny is that the right-wing gamers are indifferent and just laughing at them from the sidelines, whilst the left think the right are pro-AI shills because they can only think as for or against.
>>746666638I actually think the worse you write, the more obvious it ain't AI.
>>746665212>wow this paint looks great>wait it has lead in it? uh i dont think ill use this anymore.the only piss and shit is in your streets raj
>>746668597True sister.We need art like this instead, we were too harsh on tumblr.
>>746676486The smell of ozone is also what you might call the smell of electricity (running high levels of current through open air turns O2 into O3, that’s literally what you’re smelling when you smell that) That’s a real thing. I think that’s phrasing Stephen King has used a bunch too.
>>746667808>complain about westoid design>post a westoid designkill yourself
>>746665568>basically impossible to spotso why can people spot that code is vibecoded almost instantly or needs a human to look over every line to make sure its actually correct before its committed ?>unless the person using it is outrageously negligent and incompetent erm...
>>746676823Yeah but that's not something I wanna hear while Harley Quinn (classic BTAS costume, of course) is pegging me
>>746671558Jeets are just bootlickers lolThey just follow whoever has the money, they'd promote liberal media if you pay them (which they do for the DNC)
>>746668432>Humans make paragraphs as building blocks to a larger whole, AI just spins its wheels.hello Gemini
I'm against it being used in the final product because it convinces retards that every idea that pops out of their head is good when their "magnum opus" is either the most "current zeitgeist" boilerplate slop ever or just open fetish material.
>>746677014Reminds of that "Tuuuuuuubes" video people were going crazy over for while ignoring that it's a fucking stupid premise.
The game is boring btw. It'd be fun if you got on a tablet.
Why did tech libertarians basically do a 180 on their beliefs? Bitcoin shills were annoying but at least the general goals were laudable. Decentralization, privacy, less reliance on the government and central banks. Now those same people advocate AI which promises degradation of services, centralization of resources, mass surveillance, military tech, and total submission to the state and large corporations. People like Peter Thiel became communist but still LARP as freedom lovers, its creepy.
>>746677014Did you spend more than one second making this post or 5? Because it tells me you thought this was the best you can write to make a point.
>>746671669>The people who are anti-AI on the right also happen to generally be the anti-Trump part of the right, usually people who also hate Israel and Zionism, and the Israeli government itself is also very openly pro AI.Keep in mind, Neolibs are generally pro AI. The only two types who hate AI are the Bannon's rightist types and the Progressives. Which explains a lot of the comments you see here.
>>7466723124chan profits off of the images due to selling a Pass to post quickly on a site with users posting uncredited images and videos. So in essence it's basically no different.
>>746677142because they're all grifters and dipshits will fall for their tricks over and over again like the stupid dogs you are
>>746671189I think people have short-term memory loss if they think AI is similar to what AI was back in 2020.
>>746677162What AI model will call your ideas retarded? No, really.
>>746676056ok chang
>>746677257>passonly saucy and people imitating as him pay for that shitmaybe storytime posters
>>746677257At least I don't expect people to think I'm creative for it
>>746674563I would say 3D, Photoshop and also Cloud Computing and Algorithms rolled into one. A lot of these things were hated at first but when it was refined and became better people liked it.
>>746677316Funny, most artists have a panic attack when they get a lick of criticism. Don't act like you guys can throw the heat when you cry over a rando saying your drawing sucks.
I simply do not care about this at all. All I care about is if a game is good or shit. The tools people use to make it are completely irrelevant.
If there was a hypothetical captcha component that meant you had to interpret and input a random slur to post would it do anything to reduce bot incidence on 4chan.
>>746677313I don't think anyone thinks that, hell people yearn for it.>gamer presidents>deepdream lsd abominations>early dall-e (though that's later)
>>746674470>amount of posts that thought this was realEven from the syntax, lack of personality, the you, and me editing it just like what anon said >>746666402 should have been obvious. I was making a joke, I didn't think I made a point.
>>746677402You didn't answer the question.What AI model will call your ideas retarded?
>>746677413No. I can make LLMs racist easily.
>>746673952>Far rightistI'd rather you call me a retard, it would be less offensive
>>746671189I'm convinced they're trying to get as many people as possible to be dependent on it. I don't doubt the porn addicts will get milked to hell (which they are lol) and the dumbass students who need it.>>746677014>>746677316if there's one silver lining, it reveals that most people are uncreative as hell even if they had a literal slave to make their dreams a reality
>>746677402Most artists think their own art sucks. That's another thing AI directors lack. Humility
All these arguments and threads over AI are a complete waste of time and energy. AI already wonnered and there's nothing (you) can do about it.
>>746677597>Most artists think their own art sucks. Explains why they're jealous of AI then.
>MSRP $1,999Truly a mystery of why people hate AI so much.
It's incredible how China has a 80% positive outlook on AI and how it's going to improve the world while the low IQ retards around the world hates AI because it replaces them lmao
>>746666398you dont know anything about programming at all retarded faggot
If you are against AI you should also be against anything made in unreal (they generate inefficient slop code under the surface and fill it with assets you did not make yourself)
>>746665212they are the same "people" that definitely exist
>>746670779>being this jeetbrained
Not going to pay for your slop, sorry
>>746677742Do you know where you are? UE5 gets shit on more than Gamebryo ever did
It's a bad product. Simple as.
>>746676893>so why can people spot that code is vibecoded almost instantlyBecause unreviewed, unedited AI code has tellsExcessively verbose and numerous comments, certain terms no human being would use, cognitive complexity out the ass for operations that could be written in a much more easily readable way, multiple conflicting ways to solve the same problem littered around the codebase, outdated APIs and coding standards from whenever the LLM's knowledge base was trained, etc.You're not supposed to go "IsraelGPT generate me the whole ass file", you're supposed to use it to explore unfamiliar technologies and APIs, automate mindless grunt work like boilerplate generation, and to implement existing solutions for solved problems whilst keeping your wits about yourself so you can tell when it's being confidently wrong
>>746671189>Here, check out this Ai software. You should use it.>No thanks.>YOU WILL FUCKING USE AND YOU WILL LIKE IT!!!It's fun seeing software work just fine, then having features removed to make room for their Ai tech only to break everything.
>>746672715Because consumers pay their lifesavings on gachas like its something they need.Consumer habits are fucked.
>>746677742>if you hate ai then you should also hate the most hated game engine everyea nigga
>>746677142It's funny, the fate of libertarians is to see the things they invent (with the aim of increasing freedom), co-opted by those in power to do precisely the opposite.Wikipedia, for instance, strikes me as the product of a libertarian idea, yet look at how it turned out as one of the system's greatest tools for manufacturing opinion, destroying the reputations of dissidents, and so on, lol.
>>746677402I think artists like criticism since it would motivate them to improve. Meanwhile if you criticize AI art you get dogpiled by third world fucktards.
>>746677879Hey GPT, would make me a sandwich?
>>746678031>I think artists like criticism since it would motivate them to improve.You haven't been in many art circles.Trust me. They're like land mines.
>>746678093NOH
>>746678093Certainly! Would you like an old classic such as a BLT (bacon, lettuce and tomato) or would you prefer a more avante garde filling:DIE
If it's so good, why hide that you use it
>>746672035>There are also signs that people are becoming addicted to asking AIs questions, thereby losing the ability to learn how to conduct research and construct lines of reasoning.I mean at this point it's a dream for techno feudalists.Can you just fucking program people directly, no need for CNN or Fox News just straight up.What's embarassing is that there is potential for incredible good in the technology in terms of brainwashing idiots to be morally upstanding and support meaningful causes, but we've seen who controls the AI and of course they are all morally vacant psychopaths. They'll be sowing division in society long after the purpose of doing so has long expired, they don't know anything else.
>>746665212Look at the middle of the road
>>746678368Their excuse is that there’s a hate campaign against AI that’s going to destroy the game.But in reality, what they want to do is sell garden ornaments cast from plaster molds while pretending they were carved from marble by a famous artist. It's basically a scam.LLMs are decent, useful tools. Just look at how much Google Translate improved once LLMs became more sophisticated, to the point where you can now play Japanese PC-98 visual novels and understand practically the entire story (even though there are errors all over the place). But it's an undeniable fact that art created by algorithms doesn't carry the same meaning as art created by human artists, and therefore, it doesn't hold the same value. People will ALWAYS view games with AI-generated art as less valuable than those with human-made art, and that means they'll be willing to pay less for them. That is what the industry wants to avoid.
One of my favorite "arguments" from negative IQ shitskins is that programming is supposedly not an "artform" and thus is completely fine to outsource to the retarded hallucination machine that ducttapes together dogshit from stack overflow. These retarded shitskins somehow seem to miss the obvious fact that programming also known as coding for idiots is literally digital engineering and requires incredible artistic and logical thinking skills to produce anything of high quality, and famous examples of this involve insane ingenuity and want to optimize things that nobody else has figured out the solutions to yet (like carmacks famous formula involving 3D graphics that required so much less processing power/ memory that more complex computation became an actually valid realtime option to implement)Nobody who actually knows anything about programming thinks that AI is "good" at coding, its sometimes good at doing exactly what you tell it to do but some scammer pajeet telling grok to create skynet isnt the same thing as actually knowing how to make one themselves and just outsourcing the manual process to a robot that they babysit
>>746678031you're either dishonest or retarded
What I don't understand is how AI can be so wrong. I asked Google to walk me through setting up a function in a Unity project and every step contained instructions that either produced the wrong result, or weren't even possible. The information it should have been giving me is well documented from official sources and available for the AI to refer to
>>746679216Do you even know how to use Unity?
