>>746672081
disappointing, definitely
that being said, going from prime 1 to prime 3 you should have seen it coming

It is a sub-standard game by Nintendo quality standards

I did not truly hate it but I do not think it was worth the asking price and there was far too much stuff that was obvious filler because they ran out of time.

Definitely disappointing. It's not the worst Metroid game, but it is the worst Prime game.

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>>746672081
yup
they doubled down on the problems of prime 3, and the bad foundation bamco made before they passed the buck to retro. truly a classic nintendo move.
its got uninspired upgrades and bad level design. they were cooking, but kinda like a meth lab gone wrong. No more 3d metroid now, its over.

>>746674657
even worse than federation force?

It's a disappointment. The game is enjoyable enough when the support cast isn't dragging it down. Definitely not worth a switch 2. Has all the problems of 3 with even worse writing. Love that OST though.

>>746674746
Federation force was a decent co op multiplayer
Prime 4 killed a franchise for 0 benefit

As a Metroid fan it is disappointing but not a disaster. I expected a lot better but it's just so offensively mediocre. Nintendo games are rightfully held to higher standards.

>>746674746
not him, but who even played that game? the consequences of its lengthy production cost and a mainline game bombing instead of a spin off bombing are certainly more dire, atleast.

>>746672081
It wasn't horrible. I felt like the individual areas were fine, but somewhere along the way the game had a really rushed development and lot of undercooked ideas were left in.

>>746674746
NTA but as someone who actually like Fed force, I'd say so since if nothing else you can play that with your mates. They'll make it fun, even if you're not having it yourself. If you don't like Prime 4, that isn't changing. I'll sooner play Fed force again than prime 4 personally. The cast of P4 just suck.

>>746674847
I think calling it mediocre is a stretch. the last couple entire areas are pure garbage.
your least favorite of the prime trilogy is "mediocre", prime 4 is a disgrace.

I still can't believe that a non trivial amount of green gems are required to complete the game. Why would they purposefully make you spend hours farming just to progress? Why is there a desert and a motorcycle in the first place? Its insane choices like these that make it the worst Prime, but still, it was massively overrated at release. Nintendo fans tend to forget that Nintendo does not make first party games aimed at adults, so yeah, you're gonna get Myles and quips now and then.

>>746672081
Disaster is too strong a word but its game design would have been considered old hat even in 2017 when they announced it.

The hub world that aggressively wastes your time is already a non-starter. Supporting cast is mostly garbage. The environments have some charm but awful naming conventions.

>>746675105
The thunder generator area where you get the bike is so much cooler than basically anything else in the game. It's crazy how much of a difference it is.

Shame about the undercooked driving lanes that connect it and the weird tutorial area at the bottom, the bike is then unceremoniously ignored for the rest of the game except as an excuse to have the open world huge and annoyingly empty!

>>746674185
After this being the first post, there's nothing else to say in this thread. Each Prime game has been worse than the last.

>>746675457
2 is better than 1 and 4 is better than 3

>>746672081
Bafflingly shit game that could’ve been instantly fixed to at least a 7/10 if they cut the desert and let you slot upgrades without having the walk all the way back to the unfunny nerd.

Things Metroid does not need
>NPC companions
>quirk chungus quips
>vehicles
>big empty overworlds

>>746675363
Volt Forge was the most visually impressive area in terms of design and visuals, no question about that.

>>746675149
I think the bike could have been cool with level design supporting it (and upgrades). maybe it coulda been useful outside the desert.
the desert is just empty and the bike is too slow and mechanically uninteresting.
but instead its like, hey go get the next chip and the chip opens the door.

a simple patch could change how many dumb crystals are required, just like silksong had to patch how much money they player gets from grinding enemies.

>>746675512
Corruption isn’t my favorite but it didn’t come close to pissing me off the way 4 did.
I could see myself replaying it at least one more time, 4 I will never play again genuinely.

I feel like the bike could have worked in some other capacity but the fact that it's used to traverse a needlessly large, mostly barren desert really puts a damper on it. Like it could still be a method of transport, but you have to make the ride interesting.

>>746675049
I would've liked Fed Force if 1, it wasn't mech shit, and 2, it didn't have a chibi toddler artstyle. A spinoff FPS with Federation mooks could've been cool

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>>746672081
It wasn't just bad, it had MCU-writing trash.
The woke writer also wanted Samus to be trans.

>>746675512
You cannot seriously believe this

3 is so much better than 4

Please tell me you are trolling, this is causing me distress that anyone could have such bad taste

Prime 4 was the only game I wanted to play on switch, so after 7 years of being forced to play smash with friends was I disappointed? Yes I was. Because it wasn't just bad, it was abysmal dog shit.
I payed 300 for my switch when the first trailer dropped however many eons ago, bought smash ultimate, metroid prime 1 remaster, and 7 years of switch online. So all in all I would say nintendo reemed my ass hole. The only fun I got out of prime 4 was how much I wanted to play prime 2 echoes

>>746675536
>>vehicles
Flying Samus's gunship could actually be sick tho, if implemented properly

>>746675536
I genuinely think you are older than the target audience for this game by at least 15 years

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>>746672081
The only good thing about this game was that it finally forced Tanabe to retire.

>>746675536
the morph ball is a vehicle
but the morph ball is fun to use, regularly useful, and gets interesting upgrades. most metroid games are designed entirely around the morphball and the bike wasnt. there is nothing stopping them from making a cool and fun vehicle in all fairness

>>746675696
That's the other thing that makes Prime 4 such a huge letdown. There are people who bought a Switch solely for it and waited SEVEN YEARS with almost no news about it. The hype was insane. I suppose that's on people for setting themselves up for disappointment, but you can't blame people for having some hope.

>>746675690
>this is causing me distress that anyone could have such bad taste
You need to get over this personality flaw of yours. There are retards in this world you can't reason with and you must come to terms with that. Once you do, you will reach Buddha-like serenity

>>746675690
can you not defend my favorite underdog game with shitty reddit spacing and a non-engaging counterpoint?
cool, thanks.

>>746672081
The game just reeked of how it almost certainly used to be a different kind of game until they abandoned it and scavenged what there was to make this game. Like why is there a massive empty desert? Really felt like it was originally more open world until they scrapped the idea.

>>746675696
i knew this game was going to suck ass, so I pirated it.
I put up with the day 1 miserable performance stuttering just to play it in one shot asap. im glad i didnt pay shit for this shit game

>>746676207
I think it’s the other way around, the desert feels completely incongruent with everything else it feels like they made the rest of the game and then tacked it on at the last second.
Tanabe probably chimped out at them to make it more like BoTW because that’s what modern gamers want and that was the best they could manage.

>>746672081
This game felt like it took everything that still worked about Prime and changed it for the worse, and then kept everything that actually did need updating exactly the same. Really poor direction.

Prime 4 was just a case of them completely misunderstanding what made Prime so popular in the first place
They were already veering off course with Prime 3 and Prime 4 was just taking the piss

>>746672081
Changing Sol Valley + Chrono Tower into a 'Chozo Ruins' type area would've helped a bit. Completely remove GF squad outside of leaving scan logs and their corpses. Might've made for a decent game but that's basically an entire new one.

If you removed the desert entirely and linked all the different areas with a small hub area instead the game would not suffer for it at all.
It is blatantly a last second inclusion that was probably a mandate from on high.

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Going in to the game, I expected it to be shitty after being in production for so long. But to my surprise, almost none of my issues with the game felt like they were a result of the development hell besides the last few areas being hallways. The companions, the shitty Hyrule Field overworld, the writing, it all felt disastrous on a conceptual level in a way that I wasn't ready for

>>746672081
Nah, I loved it. Solid 9/10.

>>746675512
Absolutely not but the first area in 3 is the most boring world of all four games.

>>746675512
>2 is better than 1
I still have absolutely no understanding of why people think this
Maybe if you didn't get the Dark Suit after the first boss there would be a gameplay argument, but, the game just invalidates the most interesting thing about it way too fast, making the rest of the game a boring slog

The only bad Metroid game is Other M, get over it. You won't be getting (You)s you absolute tards, have a nice night.

>>746672081
Yes and yes.

And this thread makes me want to go back to AM2R.

>>746675603
>>746675690
3 is more consistent but the highs of 4 (bosses and first areas) bring it up to me. I also like the combat mechanics it introduces more than how much Hypermode trivializes every encounter. I have love for all the games and it's close though so I can find myself changing my mind in the future.

>>746675536
This

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Honestly, I never finished any of the Prime games and each of which was for really dumb reasons that wasn't any real fault of the games themselves.
>Prime I got past Meta Ridley and for some reason (I was very young back then) Impact Crater gave me dreadful anxiety at the concept of scaling the area while potentially being grabbed mid-air and sent all the way back down again. I know it was a two minute section at most but it felt much longer for me. I got to Metroid Prime twice, died twice because I was not very good at the game and didn't go back to it.
>Prime 2 I kept getting lost and couldn't navigate very well to where I needed to go. I eventually beat Chykka but lost motivation to keep going after that. I didn't have any real trouble with Boost Guardian oddly enough, and it seemed to just die to nothing at like 20% HP which may have been some glitch
>Prime 3 I beat Omega Ridley and knew I had to find my way to Phaaze but got lost in Pirate Homeworld. I was also trying to scan absolutely everything but learned from the internet I'd missed the Training drone scan in the starting world. After that I didn't feel like playing anymore.

>>746675686
This shit is so fucking childish and overtly misogynistic. Making Samus trans (which isn’t even a real thing) is about as anti-woman as anything imaginable. It’s unbelievable that feminists, who used to take themselves so goddamn seriously, publicly allowed themselves to be so fucking dumb and retarded.

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>>746672081
It's an oddity because it has pretty good (albeit few) moments but it's surrounded by downright baffling decisions. I'd even argue is more of a spit to the face than Other M, because for all its flaws, at least OM didn't have Adam or Anthony constantly talking to you over the radio, nor did it tried to shy away that the game was gonna be extremely linear, unlike Beyond that made you believe you could get the keys in any order.

Great visuals, good OST, it's just that everything else is horribly executed. I haven't touched it since I beat it, and I dread to think of a second playthrough and do the crystal energy bullshit all over again.

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>>746677561
not him, but I love prime 2 as my favorite prime game
it mostly comes down to people glazing prime 1 way too hard. I just prefer the world swapping gimmick to "what if super was a 3d game"
I like aether and the luminoth, its a cool setting. maybe you hated the darkworld and the ammo, but I will gladly take it over going through magmoor 5 times.

any issue with prime 2 I have like the cheap save points and bosses, gets nullified on a replay, but the map design of planet talon never does.
Echoes is just more rewarding to replay IMO but I understand if people like 1 more because of its own strengths

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I liked him. Gud fight, gud theme, funny spergouts.

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>>746672081
>metroid
>the game series the publisher never wants to make but feels obligated to
>makes no money for cost of development
>impossible to market with other first party games like mario, zelda, and splatoon
>always switching developers, never developed in-house

>>746678474
Im sorry that you like the chud villain

>>746678502
It's honestly commendable that Nintendo still lets this series go on when it's never had a boost in sales besides Dread. They would've known Beyond would make negative money the second they chose to press the restart button but did it anyways. People would have you believe that Other M put the series on hiatus but it was actually just the fact that Retro was busy with the Kong and Sakamoto scrapped Dread like three times.

>>746677942
Why did you continue buying games in a series you clearly didn't actually like?

>>746678387
Echoes also has a few difficulty spikes and much more interestingly designed bosses as well. Dark Samus's fights mog pretty much all the bosses from Prime 1 plus you have qol shit like an improved scan visor. Don't get why Corruption gets shit on so hard either. I consider it inferior to 1 and 2 but it still has its own legs to stand on.

I never cared about 3D Metroids and likely never will. 2D will always be superior.

It wasn't bad, it was better than mediocre, it just didn't do anything extraordinary, loved it tho

>>746672081
Yes, yes it was.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=62kDVFFaGKg

>>746675536
>>NPC companions
Can't agree, prime 3's hunter fellas were cool niggas, the moth guys from prime 2 are a kind bunch, Metroid 2 ends with an NPC companion opening the door for you and it is a cozy bittersweet moment, Super Metroid got the animals that act as silent tutorials for some of your "hidden" techniques (shinespark and walljumps) and Adam in Fusion was cool, i don't care if fusion is too dialogue heavy or that you can't skip navigation rooms by pressing start, the suspense as the story progresses is tight as fuck.
Do not let Prime 4 being a shitty game sour up the fact that Samus having companions can have cool chemistry. Hell, fucking smash bros brawl gave Samus a Pikachu and that shit was raw as fuck
>Vehicles
The problem with vehicles is their implementation, Samus did not need a bike exclusively to traverse a shitty barren empty desert hub when she has speed booster and shinespark to go fast (Even if it means that in a different world, prime 4 would play like a sonic game and that's worse than samus riding an alien bike). But having minigame-like sections where you use shit to open doors is cool stuff.
>Quips
Maybe not the way they were written in prime 4, but prime 3's dialogue with the hunters was baller. Though i guess it helps having actual talent and not soillenial theatre kids on that front.

>>746677983
it also isn’t true in any way, they’re just having a melty because a greenhair was hired

>>746672081
Even ignoring the dismal quality of the final product, what little we know about the development of the game was nothing short of disastrous. Horribly mismanaged project built on a rotten foundation. It needed to be scrapped and restarted but this didn't truly happen.

That'll be the end of 3D Metroid, maybe they'll give it another shot in like 25 years or something.

>>746678686
my hot take is 2>3>1
I think corruption with a keyboard and mouse mod is rad as hell. 3 honestly kinda fails at what it tries to do with hyperbeam and overall combat in a metroid game, but I see the vision and I respect the attempt
I wont say its perfect and ignore its obvious problems, but I just handled them easier

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>>746679149
very based and correct opinion

Retro and Nintendo admitted that Prime 4 was a shit show. But they couldnt delay it any further and had to ship what they had. I didnt mind it, but it felt like it was missing something.

>>746678797
This

>>746678387
I don't see why you'd object to going through Magmoor 5 times when you happily went through the Temple Grounds as many times or more

>>746675149
I'm convinced the bike/desert were from before Retro came on board and they couldn't get rid of it because it was already too interwoven with everything else to remove it. It just clashes with the rest of the game so much.

>>746680570
Isn't this confirmed from the concept art?

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>>746672081
I was really liking it till you got to the lava and mine area. They were very shitty

But I really enjoyed the last boss and the ending, so it ended on a positive note for me.

I liked it but I didn't exactly wait for it and I've only played 2D Metroids and MP1. But I'd rather want to see something else than 3D Metroid from Retro. I've listened to the OST quite a bit

>>746672081
It's Metroid's Skyward Sword. The next Prime game is going to be drastically different. Screenshot this.

>>746681091
see you in 10 years when metroid prime (not named 5 because the developers claim it’s too confusing for the modern audience) gets announced and takes multiple years to come out

>>746679226
>the writer says that Samus is a tranny
It's pretty cut-and-dry. Obviously Nintendo isn't gonna officiate at it, and I highly doubt that the tranny pushed their luck and ever actually tried to include that in the plot, but I'm a big believer in authorial intent. Just keep trannies out of the writing room for God's sake

>>746672081
>>746674185
>>746674704
Can you even imagine how bad the Bamco build of the game was given that THIS is supposedly a marked improvement?

>>746672081
I think disaster is being dramatic, but it wasn’t good. It’s the biggest disappointment from Nintendo since Twilight Princess.

>>746681330
Which coincidentally was also at the time, Nintendo's most expensive game ever.

>>746681198
They'll call it "Metroid: Primeval". And they'll say they're going back to the series's roots for inspiration. Making it far more open in scope with destructible terrain.

There hasn’t been a decent Metroid game since Zero Mission.

>>746680360
it just takes less time

>>746681330
not a great example considering that TP sold very well, enough to get a remake, and its liked by the fans
no one is going to bust their ass making a prime 4 recomp

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>>746672081
No, in fact most people started coming around to this game. Even if you don’t like it, at worst it was underwhelming. This is in no way worse than Other M and people still hating on this game a year later is pathetic.

>>746684798
This guy's hyping it up too much but it's still fine, like a solid 7/10. People putting at Other M tier are crazy though.

>>746678671
I enjoyed the game until I didn't, that was basically it, really.

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>>746680570
>>746680660
They confirmed it in an interview with Famitsu.

>>746672081
>Another ice, fire and mine area
Come on....

Who at Nintendo insisted that a metroid game should have BotW temples?

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Ball sexo

>>746674704
>No more 3d metroid now, its over.
You said that about Metroid in general after Other M and Federation Froce and look what happened

>>746672081
It's worse than Other M. This game is dog shit. It's a franchise ender for real this time.

>>746677331
I really liked Prime 1 and immediately stopped after the demo for 2 because it felt worse. Playing through 4, it's definitely the most underwhelming since Other M. This is a game I would've liked as a young teenager blind to previous Metroid titles, though. The 2D titles continue to be better than 3D.

>>746672081
Whoever at Nintendo is forcing everyone to make every game BotW needs to see the fucking door

>>746672081
Disaster no, disappointment yes
It would need to be unplayable and sell like 10 copies on top of all the other issues for it to be a disaster

>>746672081
i enjoyed it, and i able to apprecciate its redeeming qualities. but still it didnt live up the expectations, just another poor victim of being stuck in development hell.

Still better than Prime 3 that being said.

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>>746688275
Yes, yes, very unfortunate.
HOWEVER

>>746688824
>ravenous
sexy af

>>746687456
the series has been shit since other m, absolutely nothing since has been worth playing.

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>>746672081
I had a really good time playing through it, but I definitely wished they took more risks with it. It felt too safe and by the books, practically retreading Prime 1 to a tee.

>>746674704
>>746681325
>muh bamco
Why do people believe this crap rumor?

>>746675603
This is the how I feel as well. Prime 4 was as jarring as Other M was.

>>746680360
>>746682340
To be fair, Talon Overworld does feel a bit like a slog. However to be fair, Magmoor especially sucks dick with the high jump upgrade booster ball upgrade back track to phendrana.

>>746685346
7/10 feels pretty accurate. Some minor tweaks here and there, would've been an 8/10. Anything beyond that and you'd have to fundamentally change the game. I hope there is another Prime (be it Remaster or Sequel). The No-Tanabe factor is my guiding hope.

>>746684798
Prime 4 is bad in an American way, Other M is bad in a Japanese way. They're different flavors of the same dogshit

>>746675768
i didn't have this shit taste, not even 20 years ago. My friends played fifa, cod and battlefield. I played metroid

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>>746690443
fucking /thread.

MODS CLEAN IT UP

>>746672081
I beat the game for the first time this Sunday.
>Areas are offensively linear, Fury Green in particular, once you finish it for the first time, it has only one big room with two smaller ones to unlock. Great Mines is also terrible in that regard.
>Sol Valley was either a terrible afterthought or a piece of development that remained from the original Bamco development process, it only existed to hunt green crystals so they had to throw a handful of shrines and upgrades to not make it feel so worthless.
>No margin of error with the green crystals, if you miss a single tiny piece, you can't 100% the game.
>Space Fed crew wasn't so bad in my opinion, but the final boss' first phase was cancerous as fuck because his electric attack could easily kill one of them if you were unlucky.

The game had still a good bunch of stuff going for it and I can excuse its flaws because of the game's very troubled development, but Retro Studios really needs to look back at Prime 1 and see why that game still feels timeless and near perfect to this day. Horrendous replay value too, I missed one single scan and I refuse to replay the game, let alone in Hard mode, to get the last gallery unlocks and cutscenes, so I'll just watch them in Youtube.

>>746675672
An extra vehicle does not work in a Metroidvania.
>>746675869
You can always morphball, it is always part of your problem solving approach after you get it.
There's no Captain Oak sending you a codec telling you that "Now is not the time for that" when you morph ball.
>>746676207
Open world is fake interstitial fabric and can almost always be stripped out and replaced with just a level select list.
>>746676830
If there hadn't been a tacked on desert, then none of the levels would connect, there would need to be a replacement made with actual effort.
>>746677159
Probably, but it's harder to justify the pricetag and long development if they do that, people still think that open world is somehow bigger and more work than a small concise hub.
>>746680570
The nature of open world means that it's never interwoven with anything, it's just a placeholder and you can replace it with anything. The only thing keeping them from scrapping it would have been the need to scrap it and make something new in its place, but they had 6 fucking years to do that so it has to just be irrational design debt.
>>746681091
If it's Metroid's Skyward Sword, then the next 2 games are going to be exactly the same, but people will insist that they are different due to some cosmetic change.
>>746688508
It's their entire senior management structure. Open world gets made due to incompetence and lack of drive now.

>>746691442
The motorcycle could have absolutely worked. You get psychic platform powers, why not allow making a ramp. You throw morphball and power bombs into devices, why not allow throwing it into your ramp, give it super boost. Why track down mech parts and punch out the shield, why not be tasked with finding a proper vantage point and boost jumping into it. ect ect

Prime 4 isn't bad, but the amount of missed potential only rivals Wind Waker.

>>746692024
Do not put Prime 4 and Wind Waker in the same sentence. I will kill you.

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Been playing this

Just did the Flare Pool AMA

>>746675837
he didn't though

>>746692384
Why didn't you buy Dread instead?

>>746692315
uh oh melty
if you don't see their parallels then nigga you dumb as fuck

>>746672081
this was basically metroid breath of the wild but without the budget for shilling that zelda gets

>>746692315
Trash all belongs in the bag together though.

>>746693352
literally not a single thing in common with Botw, though I wish it did. it had those one note islands from Wind Waker in a couple places though

>>746681325
reading all the interviews and seeing how most of the shitty ideas in this game came from Kensuke Tanabe it wouldn't surprise me if Bamco tried to make a more traditional Prime experience but got kicked out because they couldn't get along with Tanabe's more story focused vision

why are people afraid to say retro fucked up too
>but tanabe
>but bamco
primes 2 and 3 are proof they were spiraling

>>746674381
I bought it for like 40 bucks which is honestly fair, all things considered.

It's absolutely a disappointing game and it had way too much busywork, especially having to collect those dumb crystals all over that god-awful desert because you -need- to to get to the final boss. Getting bothered by your various human sidekicks is annoying, too, although there are some nice moments there (look, she's doing morph ball!). They go from being annoying, to each having a dramatic self-sacrifice moment, to everyone returning randomly, to finally dying after all, it's just so poorly handled.

Also scanning things is one of my favorite things in Metroid Prime, but this game managed to make it a goddamn slog because every fucking door and rock has its own unique scan text that doesn't count towards the final percentage but that will nevertheless tell you you haven't scanned it yet.

Boss battles were great though. I'd say the game needed more polish but how much more development could it get?

>>746693610
Because given what we know about Prime 4 development, Retro basically saved the game from being a colossal disaster
>Spiraling
>Conveniently forgets they made two great DK after Prime 3
The lesson is, let Retro be in charge of the project instead of forcing them to do gimmicks (Prime 3) or saving dumpster fires in record time (Prime 4 original Tanabe's vision).
>Prime 2 b-bad
Only if you're a casual

>>746692542
Why do you assume he doesn’t own Dread as well?

Wind Waker sucks

>>746693610
I would agree about Prime 3 but 2 was fucking awesome

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>the only way people can defend Prime 4 is to call people snoy trannies or PC vegans
I fucking hate this fandom.

>>746693553
This. Tanabe is a retard.

>>746696360
It's a good game regardless of which ass you putt for

>>746696587
Sorry, I don't like movieshit and quirk chungus marvel faggotry. Not seeing the appeal of either.

>>746672081
I wanted a sequel to Prime 1. I got a sequel to Prime 3 with the worst elements of Other M and a weird open world for no reason.

>>746674814
When I seen the open world gameplay I decided to just get it on sale further down the line. Metroid convinced me to buy a Super Nintendo, a GBA, a GameCube, but it couldn't convince me to buy a Wii or Switch 2.

>>746696805
I mean it is also available on the OG switch so it's not even a Switch 2 game. The S2 has a decent enough lineup but if Pokopia, OoTR and Fire Emblem don't appeal and you can play its multiplats on other consoles then yeah don't buy it.

>>746672081
yeah, but Tanabe finally got the boot so if anyone ever picks metroid back up again they'll finally be free from his obsession with the Federation and stuffing Federation NPC soldiers all through Metroid games

>>746672081
It was just really mid to the point of being forgettable.

>>746696676
>Sorry, I don't like movieshit
I am sure you don't, queer

Disappointing?
yes, undeniably.
A bad game?
not really, it's better than prime 3, suffers from the same issues, but this time we don't have hypermode and the places you visit are far more interesting than the shit on 3, only good area from 3 is Skytown, also the bosses on 4 are better.

>>746692468
Yes he did.