Should mainstream industry games bring back IQ filters
hard agree
>>746673096Only thing wrong with this is on PC the movement is bound to the mouse instead of WASD
>>746673260not in the current version
>>746673260What's wrong with mouse? That's how I've always played it.
>>746673346Too sensitive
>>746673251wait a minute, that card
>>746673096It's trivial when they give you so many picks.
>>746673096I really want to see some bullshit like bioshock 1 puzzles again
>>746673346It is very difficult to move exactly "right" or exactly "up" and the game doesn't really compensate for any diagonal movement. Hot garbage that wasn't play-tested or intentionally made retarded to burn lockpicks or force auto-attempt.
Yes, but only with puzzles. Not some stupid "what did they mean by this?" iq filter
>>746673858wait a minute, this one is unwinnable
>>746674007Its literally not
>>746674073>The minigame screen does wrap, so the player can quickly get to the opposite side. For example, if one is at the top, and there is a piece at the bottom, just go up once more to appear at the bottom. This can save those precious seconds.HOW THE FUCK DID I NEVER KNOW THIS
>>746673096no non-indie game will ever be difficult again
>>746673251
>>746673096i got filtered by this hard back in the original release. they must have made it easier in the remaster because I never had a problem with it and I certainly didn't get any smarter over the years
>>746673251I quit the game when encountering this puzzle. I'm not going to spend hours piecing together clues just to solve a single puzzle.
>>746673096Yes, games should bring back tank controls. And precision platforming like Tomb Raider.
>>746674527I have no idea how it actually works, but can solve them easily.
>>746674584good call. it was infested with those
>>746673096>filters illiterate retards
>>746674775unironically one of my favorite minigame. Its just guess who but with letters and its great
>>746674775Skipping the tutorial popup provides a small eureka moment after playing the game normally for so long and finding the secret strings.
>>746673096>Should mainstream industry games bring back IQ filtersYes.Some games need to be made for genetically superior gamers like me and should also be a litmus test for who needs to be Zyklon B'd
>>746673096just hold W when you find the slow tumbler, it prevents it from resetting when it drops. do this for each pin and you can pick the hardest lock with no skill points in lockpick. if you are getting filtered this bad maybe you should stick to banging rocks together for your entertainment
>>746673096Yes
>>746673096You literally can't fail this once you figure out the click trick
>>746674775Never played this but going off of that screen alone my guess would be PACKING
>>746673096the best part was being able to crack open master locks at novice rank if you were good enough
>>746674775never played it before and had to look up the rules for it. my guess is the password is either roaming or morning.did I get it right?>>746675751I would mark it as wrong, farming and mankind have the A, I and the last N in the same position, but only two of those are correct for mankind while 4 are correct for farming, which means that only two of those listed letters are correct, packing has all 3 in the same position so I doubt that's it
not if they want to make money
>>746673251>>746673751https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev52Z9H3xDE
>>746675941Oh I'm dumb I completely missed the N I only saw the A and I
>>746673930Since people haven't played it: the puzzle is an arrow sign that points to where you need to place it. It takes a few tries to triangulate the position, but it still filters people.
>>746676062I fell for it too at first, don't sweat it
>>746673096strategy games are what filters you
>>746674203i didn't know that either wtf
>>746673251It's not a puzzle, it's a code.Same as if you found a note with some numbers and the door had a keypad on it.
>>746674775>the sound of typing on an IBM Model M keyboard when hovering over the textThey really cooked with hacking in these games.
>>746674775>1 attempt left>step away from the computeryeah I'm a hacker
>>746677757it still filtered a lot of people
>>746677934>>the sound of typing on an IBM Model M keyboard when hovering over the textNo idea why but it sounds so damn good to me, only got mechanical keyboards since but they're just not the same.
>>746676059wtf I always thought it was clubbed to death
Alpha Protocol had better infiltration minigames that didn't waste your time. None of this fail until it works crap.
>>746679130redpill me on alpha protocol in 3 sentences
>>746679231prototype Mass Effect without the sci-fi.
>>746673096Can someone explain how you're supposed to do this lock-picking mini-game? I only played Oblivion briefly many years ago when it first came out.
>>746675183And this was explained in the game manual?
>>746679231fuck bitches, do kung fu, tell the most powerful people in the world to go fuck themselves
>>746675751>>746675941>>746676062ROAMING has the 4 letting MING from FARMING and the IN from MANKIND
>>746679231Havent played it in like 10 years but it's the perfect janky stealth rpg with a really good story, also the game really isnt that long, really worth a playthrought and do yourself a favor use the pistol its op
>>746679330You get the skeleton key and mash auto attempt until it opens
>>746674775What dipshit got 4/7 from Farming then picked a word with only three matching letters?
>>746679330You level Alteration and mash Open Lock until it works
>>746679330Bonk tumbler up, click mouse when it's at the top to lock in place. Sometimes it moves fast, sometimes slower. If you listen, you can recognize the slow one and lock it every time.Or just get the skeleton key and stop trying.
>>746673251Never seen this game but is it justring it in order the amout of times on hthe card? how did that filter anyone??
>>746679506It actually fully disambiguated the puzzle in 2 steps meaning that there is a 100% success rate by the 3rd word. GoingSINGWINGBINGDINGis the fastest way to lose all of your trys while ending up with no closer to the answer
>>746674616The worst form of Enshittifyer and cancer to vidya is the Basement Contrarian. The Basement Contrarian is a pure loser without merit, so he (Basement Contrarians are always male, females don't let being useless stop them from going outside) has to resort to simply having the opposite opinion of everyone smarter, faster, stronger, better looking, more hygenic, and better dressed than him in order to feel like he's the only one smart enough to know the REAL truth, in order to derive one pathetic iota of self worth so he doesn't do everyone a favor and eat a shotgun. This usually takes the form of OLD BAD GUD, NEW GUD BAD. The Basement Contrarian would be the kind of retard to tell you the Model T was a better car than a 2024 Mustang because the Model T had a manual transmissions. He's wrong, his reasons for being wrong are wrong, he is a faggot that makes everything he touches worse, and tank controls are obsolete dogshit.
>>746679758Based under the rock liver.
>>746679987After Farming is 4/7, the only remaining options there are Roaming, Packing, and Gaining. You then pick Packing, if you aren't retarded. 4/7 means the answer is Gaining. 3/7 means the answer is Roaming. Except in the 1/3 chance the answer was just Packing.Picking Mankind was stupid.
>>746680538I guess picking mankind divided him from the answer
>>746679758>how did that filter anyone??It didn't, that's the joke. It's just a dumb puzzle to handwave away why strangers don't show up in Columbia, and '122' is foreshadowing the end of the game
>>746680594i'm coming to kill you
>>746680185Post your 2024 Mustain doing this.
>>746679231James Bond but an RPG.Tons of sexism.Three letter agencies are the bad guys and you take them down.
>>746680703>gets mogged by horsenothing personnel
But that's not difficult, the problem is that no one explains how to do it, so lots of people didn't know how to solve the puzzle once they found themselves in that situation.Hell, once you got the gist of it, you could do it in seconds.
4chan could use an IQ filter too
>>746674775the code is always /unlock
>>746682769If your IQ is over 100 you should be able to figure it out without having it explained, there are literally only two things you can do and two things that can happen, that's a ridiculously low amount of permutations for experimenting
>>746682963How would you know you have to move the mouse up, and when the prong is on top, click the button to engage the mechanism?How would someone without your current knowledge or any prior knowledge figure this out on their own?It's easy to say shit after the fact, but this wasn't intuitive enough to not have an small tutorial upon the first try.
>>746683162Because moving your mouse and clicking on shit is your primary means of interaction in the whole game
>>746682781
>>746673096Yes. Every dungeon in RPGs should feature Golden Sun/old Tales/Wild Arms puzzles
>>746673858>freeze machine with Winter's Blast>flow moves much slowerHeh, nothing personnel.
>>746673096Nintendo used a low bar IQ filter (90) in totk and there is STILL seething about it to this day.So my answer is an enthusiastic yes.
>>746685340that cat is smarter than white women
>>746685467that's actually a beaver
>>746685727is this some meme I dont get? its a fucking marmot
>>746673096When I was a kid I remember going DSP mode on this for the first few locks and then I realized what you had to do and never broke a pick again. I’d rob master chests no sweat. It’s kinda a bad RPG mechanic because of that but I mean, the game’s loot basically peaks at level 20 so who cares.
>>746685727Haha, bobr kurwa :D
>>746682781the captcha is now literally an iq test thoughbeit.
>>746673096that was a patience filter
>>746685340I've never seen such a dexterous dog before
>inb4 "b-bad game design!" brainlets
>>746673096>iq>oblivion lockpickingisnt it literally just a timing check?people didnt actually have a problem figuring out how this worked just executing it right?i can imagine people had problems timing it but nobody is that dumb right?
>>746686705The iq test is getting the indestructible lockpick and mashing auto.
Noone got filtered by anything posted in this thread. You are pretending they did.Puzzles that can actually filter people are ones that are extremely difficult to understand like some levels of Baba Is You, or alternatively they are puzzles that are just poorly designed like the goat puzzle in Broken Sword.
>>746673096>should we put more time wasters in gamesNo
I got filtered in the first room of bad mojo, vg journalist tier gameplay
>>746686705It's more than timing, which is why people get filtered. You have to wait for the pin to go a little slower and make a different sound.
>>746687492Wasn't it just easier when the pin was slower? I could have sworn you can also do it with a fast pin.
>>746686984Or stuff in old adventure games where you could get softlocked with no opportunity for progression
the worst one
>>746673251https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_u18_BKczg
>>746679231You get to punch a cia nigger in the face. Multiple times. And then shoot him dead.
>>746673251What was I supposed to do here? Had to look up a guide.
>>746686142how?choose the shape that isnt like the others?thats literally toddler shitcavemen could solve that shit
>>746673096Better than Skyrim and 3D Fallout lockpicking minigames, but I would still prefer a simple dice-roll check.
>>746673096Combatfags won. All platforming and puzzles have to be removed so they can press x to awesome without any interruptions
>>746673251...*peeks at chat for hint*
>>746688056>played 13-2 on ps3 shortly after release>finish game no problem>play on pc last year>need an online solver to get past 90% of thesefucking hell i hate puzzles, those and the light up tiles that invert adjacent tiles puzzles make me feel retarded
>>746688835There's a harder one you get if 4chin doesn't like you where you have to match shapes. Try posting from tor to see it (it won't let you post but you can still solve the captcha).
>>746673096An idiot like me managed to get used to the minigame in Oblivion so if it was an IQ filter it failed its job.Ignoring that, there are alteration spells.
>>746673904you're telling me there's actual logic behind this fucking minigame? I always bullshit my way through it
>>746673096I just mod the lockpicking and hacking minigames out. The minigames have like 2h max of enjoyment before they get old, I just remove them so I can spend more time playing the fun parts of the game.Imagine adding up all the time you've spent on these identical lockpicking and hacking minigames across all Bethesda titles and similar games. Its a trick, its like packing the real gameplay with sawdust to stretch it out more.
>>746686616You legit have to be retarded to get stuck there. Like legitimately low IQ. IRL. No joke.
>>746687492really? "its going too fast" isnt even something you think about. you just dont press the button
>>746673096Four of us got filtered live over voice
>>746673096Yes.
>>746673096No, instead we should subject all morons to gladiatorial games.
>>746673251The real hard part was not turning off the game when getting to the baptism scene scene.
>>746673096*grabs the skeleton key*Okay now what this minigame sucks
>>746693445this shit was crazy easy, beat it as a 5yr old and I was retarded, dino crisis was hard as fuck
I remember these actually filtering people and most of them just bruteforcing it
>>746673096https://youtu.be/-6J5dKWimq4
>>746673096test
>>746680594
>>746685340There was so little IQ filter to Tears of the Cringedom that DSP not only solved the puzzles, but proved they and the whole game was dogshit.
>>746673096>quicksave>auto attempt twenty times>reload
>>746688835It is, they're likely using fingerprinting + success rates to mark posts with an IQ estimate for AI training. When they have high certainty of your IQ they turn it down to the easiest level to not dissuade you from posting.
>>746679231American Jank Bond made by Obsidian before they turned to absolute shit.
>>746673096I only liked this because Splinter Cell did it first, and I thought wow Elder Scrolls is evolving, it's incorporating what other games do well into their sandbox RPG
>buy big budget sloppa>"OMFG why did game made for retards???"I mean, you tell us. You boughted it.
>>746677757Way to fucking spoil it for me, faggot. I was 3 hours deep into solving this shit. All gone.
>>746673096Minigames are bad compared to just stat check.
>>746674972?
>>746691819DSFARGEG
>>746673096The retards would just mod/cheat these out of the game
>>746686054>retards itt don't know what a giraffe even looks likeHeh.
>>746679231GERMAN MILF SEXO
>>746695708I'm pretty certain the answer to most if not all skyrim 'puzzles' are just 'hit each segment twice'
>>746697692captcha 100% gets easier with posting time, I cleared my cookies and went from solving 1 to solving 4 for each post
>>746691819My character was an energy weapons int chad so of course he just used software to solve the cipher like I did.
>game requires a working knowledge of shakespeare Yep, it's kino
>>746674630Keep hitting a tumbler until you get a slow set;10 years after I played it in my mid 20s another friend of mine played through oblivion on the couch one day and I never lost the muscle memory to do any difficulty locks and my speed of solving the autistic conversation pies from playing this shit too much as a kid
>>746698974the hacking tutorial popup explains literally everything. The only thing it doesn't explain is if you are playing Mastermind or Password. (it's Mastermind)
>>746673096i like auto attempt since it returns control to skillcheck based rng instead of actual player skillbut i also like fallouts force-lock that can lock you out of loot like older games had bashing containers open with the risk of breaking the loot inside
>>746673096>bring back IQ filtersyes and I'll double down by having the sidekick NPCs constantly giving you hints to the point of feeling that they are actively ragebaiting you
>>746699789>One vengeful man spilled blood for two>The "vengeful man" is Hamlet, Anthology 4. "Spilled blood for two" means that the book's number has to be multiplied by two; 4 × 2 = 8>Two youths shed tears for three>The "two youths" are Romeo and Juliet, Anthology 1. "Shed tears for three" means that the book's number has to be multiplied by three; 1 × 3 = 3>Three witches disappeared thusly; And only the four keys remain>The "three witches" appear in Macbeth, Anthology 3. "Three witches disappeared" means that the number 3 taken from the anthology number of this book needs to be omitted, leaving the code with only four digits.not just working knowledge of shakespeare, but also pattern-seeking capabilities of a schizophrenic
>>746699789just move the last book to the front
>>746679231>obisidian developed>sega published>gog preservation release available
>>746674775Too much effort. It's faster to click the first 3 words and back out until it unlocks.
>>746673096Yes. EVERY game should start with implementation of quicksort on TIS-100 architecture.
>>746673096How is this an IQ filter. Literally square in square hole shit
>>746673096An 8 year old can solve these without any problemst. former 8 year old
The problem with IQ filters is that you can simply google the solution in this day and age and month and whatever. Most puzzle and strategy games require a triple-digit IQ and I just don't play them, I don't want nor need to.
>>746673260But mouse is so much cooler for it than keyboard would have been
You don’t want to complete it straight away, as it skips an entire level, but it’s still pretty cool that it’s there as option.
>>746688835>how?>choose the shape that isnt like the others?Have you even took IQ test in your life?
>>746673096Just so long as it's not the tower of hanoi or sliding picture puzzles
>>746673096how will they make money if they filter 90% of the audience?
>>746702703>sliding picture puzzlesI wouldn't call this a "puzzle" if it always devolves into moving shit randomly until it solves itself
>>746688485classic
on my first playthru of Signalis, I managed to do every single puzzle and secret, that was probably the most fun I've had with puzzles and a videogame in general since forever. I literally had like 20 post-it notes all over my desk and screen and keyboard keeping track of stuff and solving riddles and drawing paralells between the ingame lore and IRL stuffnot claiming any of that is considered impressive if youre white with a tripledigit IQ, but it was challenging enough for me that I really felt my brain tickle in a good way that I've yet to experience since
>>746699136>retards>mod
>>746703842look at the top mods on nexusmods for skyrimnot a single brain cell in sight
>>746698668>boughted
this was fun to solve
>>746704661what's with the newfags today did some nigger start shilling 4chinz on youtube
>>746704661>boughted
>>746686984>beat all baba is you levels without a guide>get filtered by a mandatory puzzle in pic related.
>>746704940I'm stuck at the ice levels, it's fun but I already found my IQ ceiling.
>>746673096>TES dorks think this is actually challengingYou all support mainstream sloppa.
>>746699058i appreciated this
>>746707405Bro it gets worse. This is by far the EASIEST speechcraft minigame ever and it was hated for forcing the player to actually interact with the game.
>>746707983I got filtered by this and still don't get it. But is it even worth engaging with, with bribing just being so cheap and effective?
>>746707983It was hated because it's retarded. Why am I FORCED to rp a BPD cunt who jokes, threatens, admires and gloats all in the span of a minute in every single conversation? >>746708991>I got filtered by this and still don't get it.Incredibly easy to get after you interact with it a bit: you must pick every single one of the options, the yellow-orange stuff (YOS) represent how much of an impact that will have on the NPC, and their expression when you mouse over one of the options tells you how they feel about it, and every time you click a YOS, they all move clock-wise I believe.So basically, you mouse over every option to see how the NPC feels about it, and you try to score the biggest YOS on what they like and the lowest on what they hate knowing that each time you click, the YOS move clockwise by one.
>>746708991Every NPC has 4 reactions. Think::D:):(:CNow apply the 4 options to it.:D - Admire:) - Joke:( - Boast:C - CoerceEvery time you choose an option the wheel rotates, or you can choose to rotate it once or twice. The wheel itself has 4 different sectors, Near Empty, Low, Medium, Near Full. Apply THESE to the OPTIONS during a ROTATION.You want to maximize the :D and :) options and minimize the :( and :C options. And wala, you are speech.
>>746710016Wait, what do you mean it can rotate twice???How?
>>746710016>walahttps://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/voil%C3%A0
>>746710629Honestly man I do not remember if you could but the rotate option is very good. I may just be remembering rotating once and immediately knowing I'll need to rotate again after taking the lesser of two bad options kinda thing. The minigame is super easy and, again, was only hated because it forced people to play the game instead of mindlessly press a button until they finally persuaded the NPC to tell them where Fagnar the Gay is holed up.
>>746710629it's a speechcraft perk, like level 50 or 75 or some shit
>>746710748Where WAS Fagnar the Gay holed up tho?
>>746686142not much of one, first time it was implemented it was one and all of 4 chan cried
@746710657
>>746711368>@I believe You.
>>746690783Bro, your unlock birthsign? Your alteration spells? Your skeleton key? The game has ways around lockpicking.
>>746700136>I never lost the muscle memoryyeah that's how muscle memory works.
>>746708991>is it even worth engaging with, with bribing just being so cheap and effective?Usually not, unless you're a poor Orc doing a speech heavy quest, like the castle detective one. Side note, Even with the countesses disposition as high as it could go for an Orc she still wouldn't sell me a house, so mileage may vary with the speech skill and low personality. Had to use a charm spell on her to get my house in Chorrol.
>>746704661ESLs intentionally make their english terrible so the smaller mistakes go unnoticed. Since that's about 1/5 of posts, you can guess the demographics of this shithole.
>>746685340>tfw the puzzles in my childrens game are easy
>>746695186ME part2 and the glouphrie puzzles were worse
