>>746685326
>western retards unable to comprehend an intentionally ridiculous scene declare not only the entire game, but an entire country's contributions to gaming null and void
Congratulations on your low IQ, I guess.

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>>746685326
In the native Japanese this is a very serious and poignant scene. The 4kids English dub is what ruined it, and that's all anyone remembers.

>>746685326
People who take this scene out of context are retarded

>"No, you don't get it! It's SUPPOSED to be cringe and retarded!"

>>746688435
Yeah, that's the point, well done anon

JRPGs are fucking shit. Not a single one has even half decent writing and the gameplay is braindead.

The funny thing is that this scene does a fuck load of heavy lifting.

>Yuna: It’s embarrassing to say this myself… But summoners and their guardians are kind of like Spira’s ray of light. A lot of people in Spira depend on us. I learned to practice smiling when I’m feeling sad, you know?

"I learned to practice smiling when I'm feeling sad." This is how Yuna is able to cope with the fact she's on a suicide mission. She just lies to herself or ignores it. She never admits the truth of how she feels until Macalania and that's largely because of Tidus. Tidus doesn't work that way. He wears his emotions on his sleeve and he can't manufacture a feeling that isn't real. Something that is directly called out later

>Fayth: I’m sorry.
>Tidus: I’m grateful.
>Fayth: (Vanishes)
>Yuna: About what?
>Tidus: Oh, nothing. Hey, don’t make that face! Come on! We’re going to beat Sin! Let’s see some cheer, okay?
>Yuna: You’re hiding something.
>Tidus: (Turns his face away) I’m not!
>Yuna: Really? (After he leaves) You’re a bad liar, you know?

>>746685326
FF10 was a huge, tremendous fucking success though. And it dominated pretty hard.

ffags are all socially retarded

>>746685326
>character IRONICALLY laughs ridiculously
>VA:s nail it
>Retard who never played the game: "LOOOOL BAD VOICEACTING LOOOOL"
aww, I'm so sorry you feel that way
Too bad nobody agrees with you, the game is possibly the highest rated main Final Fantasy game in the franchise history

>>746687275
kek

>Hey you should laugh a bit more even though you have found out that your dad is now a giant whale and we're going to kill him
>all I can do is laugh maniacally because I just found out that my dad is a giant whale and we're going to kill him
There, context given. The EN VA even does it better imo

>>746685326
I don't even like JRPG's and even I make an exception for this game. One of the best depictions of religion in any game ever made. Maybe the best

>>746685326
The problem was voice acting becoming mandatory. It's much easier to read cheesy melodramatic dialogue than it is to hear it.

>>746685326
Everyone loved FF10. It was everything after that where they dropped the blitzball.

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>>746691471
you may stop posting this everywhere

>>746691447
It's kind of weird how fucking hard FF dropped the ball. 11 was an MMO which was already strange. 12 was all plot, no characters in a series that made it's bank on characters. FF12 had the most annoying characters in existence while also barely having content. Never played 15. And 16 tried to reinvent itself as a character action game, which impressed neither FF fans nor character action fans.

You know what I want? 6 or 7 niggas fighting against an evil empire. It's the most basic premise in the universe and FF finds new ways to fuck it up every release.

>>746688487
But what about choosing the ugliest girl as love interest when a cute blonde and dommy mommy are available?

>>746685326
Funny, because this is the era when Japanese gaming became absolute kino and it's been peak since then. You're just a normalfaggot.

>>746686245
Everyone knows it was intentionally ridiculous, but it was fucking cringe anyway. The entire game was. Just pure melodrama and bullshit. It's the worst FF by a mile, but it was the first one on PS2 so nostalgiafags give it a pass.

>>746691709
Because we had budget for one romance only. Also we forgot to remove Lulu and Rikku's affection scenes. Well enjoy that snowmobile scene!

>>746691471
>Tidus, Yuna
>"100% Definitely Asian"
Tidus
>Mother
Blonde
>Father
Tropical island Surfer dude

Yuna
>Mother
Sand person in a world where the sand people are white, blonde and technology obsessed
>Father
a white guy

meanwhile the literal japanese boyband members:
>probably white

>>746686245
Why do retards think that you must not understand the context if you find it cringe and the acting terrible?

>>746691638
I remember back in the day wanting to try 11 and thinking how cool it sounded in my head but I didn't want to beg my parents to pay for the subscription on top of the game price. 12 I just cannot get into at all, it's boring. 14 is a boring VN that requires internet connectivity for some reason. 15 was OK if you just don't think of it as a Final Fantasy game at all. It's an open world boy band road trip simulator and it's alright for what it is. Haven't tried 13 or 16 yet.

>>746691892
12 took me about 3 or 4 attempts to get into. Even then I've only finished it twice. I enjoyed reading up on the history of Ivalice and the 4 nations and the environments are detailed and beautiful. Desert biomes really aren't represented all that much unless it's Sahara-lite. With all this interesting shit, I couldn't understand why I didn't care about 12. Until I did my NG+ game and it hit me just how fucking boring the cast is. I know we make fun of how overly animated JRPG casts are but it is genuinely so much better than the overly subdued cast of 12. Balthier is the most memorable member and it's mostly because of his dry humor and quips. Ashe is angry 100% of the time. Basch is morose 100% of the time. And the characters in this post have most character than all of Panelo and Fran's scenes. No one gives a shit about Fran abandoning her family for freedom but everyone sure does know what her ass looks like.

what was it with retarded 90s kids and making huge deals out of nothing
>FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUU NAVI IS SO ANNOYING
>only tells you what to do if you're retarded and wasting time
>OMG WTF THE LAUGHTER IS SO FORCED
>it's literally forced laughter

>>746691892
Also 13 is very insipid. People say X is full of melodrama but that isn't true. Because X has ups and downs. You'll get Tidus telling the Goers to STOP RIGHT THERE but then you'll get scenes of him realizing his father genuinely loved him, more than his mother, but stubbornly holding on to hate for him because he really is a child.

13 doesn't have that up and down. The closest you get is Snow. And he is one of the dumbest motherfuckers in the series. I don't hate every cast member, Sazh is pretty cool and I didn't hate Lightning until her sequels. But damn near every moment is emotional baggage or emotional catharsis with no breaks. Imagine a version of FF7 that was 100% the first Northern Crater run. That shit would get old even if it were good, which it isn't.

>Tidus acts intentionally silly to cheer Yuna up and get her out of sadness and weight of the world she is feeling
>LOL XD what is up with this scene it so silly :P
Perfect way to tell if someone is a retard.

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>>746692512
It's kind of a relic from a bygone age that refuses to die. AVGN really popularized the whole "I'm smart because I can point out how shit everything is" type of game reviews. So a bunch of dipshits tried copying his schtick, only they weren't as good at it, and that's how you get fucking stupid things like tropes = bad even though a trope is just a tool and what matters is how it's used. So yeah to this day you get room temperature iq morons pointing out that a scene that was written to be cringe because it's insincere is cringe because it's insincere.

>>746692512
I didn't even notice Navi saying "hey!" when I was messing around. My brother would be like "oh shut up, Navi!" and my reaction was "?? oh I guess she did say hey... whatever". They wouldn't have survived Skyward Sword.

>>746692604
People today don't play games, they watch youtube shorts of them.

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>>746692957
>People today don't play games, they watch youtube shorts of them.
>those same people will come up with criticism that's both highly detailed yet low resolution because they have strong feelings about a game they haven't fucking touched

For what fucking purpose?

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>>746686245
>actually I'm intentionally retarded but you can't criticize me on it because I did it on purpose
It was still a badly directed scene, intentional cringe or not.

nobody i knew back in the day was confused by the context of the scene, that would be essentially impossible. we made fun of the fake laughing for being cringe regardless of the fact that it is intentionally fake laughing

>>746685326
This and western developers finally catching up with Japan's dominance.

>>746693848
Congratulations. You're still retarded, just for a different reason.

>>746685326
This forced "Tidus laugh le cringe" meme got old over a decade ago, time to move on.

>>746687275
He sent that whore to the lifestream in a taxi.

No one should gloss over the fact that at that point in the game, neither Tidus, or the player, *knew* that a Sin fight was a suicide run.

Yuna knew, and that's why she was sad, and that's why she had to practice smiling. But all the guardians knew what was up. That was the "big secret" kept from Tidus and the audience. Everyone knew it was a one way ticket.

So when Tidus was overacting and being goofy and being silly to try and cheer Yuna up, he didn't know *why* she was sad. He didn't comprehend the depth or weight of the mission.

It was a "fake it til you make it" moment where cringey goofy fake laughing turned into real and genuine laughing. It was a bonding moment for them, something that took Yuna out of her doom scrolling.

>>746694040
Good post

It's why shit like this >>746693848 is what I mean by "highly detailed yet low resolution criticism." The information between Tidus and Yuna is asymmetrical. Tidus THINKS Yuna is just talking just cheering herself up when she's feeling down and that's the advice she's giving. What Tidus, and the player, don't know is that this isn't just Yuna saying some nice words. It's how she, and every other summoner, MUST live. Because they're knowingly marching to their deaths. Their Guardians are knowingly marching their loved ones to their deaths. It's a scene that has even more weight once you know the gravity behind why Yuna is saying what she's saying. And why the next conversation on Mi'hen Highroad is about the value of the Pilgrimages

>Tidus: I get it! I thought it was weird. Yuna’s dad defeated Sin ten years ago, right? But Sin’s still here! Didn’t make much sense till now.
>Tidus: Wait… If it just comes back…
>Yuna: Don’t say it isn’t worth it…Because it is.
>Narration: Even for a little while…people can sleep in their beds without being afraid. That kind of time is worth anything. Don’t say it isn’t worth it. Your words that day, Yuna– I remember them well.

>>746694253
It was July 2001. There were no smartphones. There were no playthrough guides. There were no YouTube videos detailing every decision and nitpicking every detail. For even large swathes of first World developed nations there was barely common Internet. So it wasn't a thing that was "known". What we know now, in September of 2026, after 25 years of playing it, of everyone playing it, of the remasters and the ports and the re-releases and the online videos and fan edits and wiki articles and every single discussion about it since...we didn't know what was going on in July 2001.

We (the players/audience) only knew what Tidus knew. To use your word, the knowledge was 'asymmetrical'. That's what made the big reveal such a shocker at the time, and I'd argue even more compelling than Sephiroth killing Aerith in 7. Where that was sudden and shocking, story-wise you had to deal with it and move on. In X, you learn the big secret, and it isn't just over and done with, you still have to keep going. You learn what you learn, and you have to dwell on it. It just sits with you. You have to stew in it. It has to build and boil and fester and gnaw at you and nag at you and deeply and fundamentally chew away at your sense of morality and conscience. And that, that sense of nagging, furious, depression, learning that the summoners path is a suicide run, knowing that it is a one way ticket death march, and that you have to do it anyway, the same way every summoner and all their guardians before had to, THAT is what makes Tidus snap and develop the plan to seek a permanent solution instead of a stop-gap. That's what makes the plan change from a suicide run to a "everyone makes it back" plan.

It's like watching The Sixth Sense after you read the book. The "twist/reveal" only has its intended impact if you don't know its coming. So to play this particular 2001 game with 2026 knowledge devalues the experience. And leads to cringey snarky try hard commentary from zoomers.

>>746695439
that's why we'd go to gamestop and buy a used strategy guide for 1.99. it was amazing

>>746695852
her true okinawan self

>>746685326
If anything this was the herald of how discussion surrounding media would become flooded by people who purposefully remove context rather than consider it.

It was actually the character designs. Gamers turned 13 and saw a androgynous teen in a fluoro yellow cropped jacket and dungarees and thought "ah, this must be a fag game, for fags". And thus ended Japanese gaming dominance in America

>>746695852
Wow this might be the worst thing I've seen this year

>>746695945
CinemaSins might be the apotheosis of this shit. And the dipshits who like that type of Schrodinger's Criticism

>subhumans STILL take this out of context
OP is a cumguzzler.

>>746690720
honestly this is the only explanation i can muster for the tards itt to be so sure that other people simply don't understand ~the context~ and if they did they wouldn't make fun of the laughing. they gotta be simply too autistic to understand cringe on a fundamental level to think you can just logic your way out of it like that.

>>746685326
No it's actually good that Japan did not cater to low IQ wigger subhumans there.

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What was with that sidequest where you have to find Teedus's desktop?

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>>746685326
YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, IT'S MEANT TO BE SHIT

>>746685326
You're right. This was the peak, and it was all downhill from here.

>>746685326
This game was amazing to me. It’s the reason I could never get into WRPGs which seemed so dull by comparison.

Fucking no one missed the memo on "this is supposed to be awkward" because everyone knows that's what forced laughter would be, that's not the issue.

It's the execution that misses the mark and makes this part actually awkward instead of emotional from the player's perspective, even understanding the context. It really sounds too much like a typical american cartoon dubbing where such emotional scenes are at most played for humor, not straight.

>>746685326
so was this the peak, or was this the valley

>>746685326
Yup
This is the moment that gave normies the ick with jap medias
Before that jap culture was the future and cool

That + the ff movie killed Japanese media dominance

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actually it was microsoft conspiring with game journos to soften up the japanese dominated industry to make room for their brown and bloom gay simulators for the 360.

>>746702427
It's the CoD:MW2 moment of the franchise, it sold great yet it's where the series dies.

>>746703190
You’re full of shit
After mw2 there was bo

Defending the laughing scene is a litmus test for retards. It’s badly written, badly blocked, badly framed, badly acted, but they tell you it’s amazing anyway because they personally like the game.

this thread gives me a short break from defending 7Rs reputation to defending Xs reputation

>>746703605
You sound virgin, Jimbo

>>746686245
FF12 was miles better than this slop, also Fran

>>746691235
There are so many better FF games, 10 sucks ass

>Tidus pretty quickly learns that 10 years ago Auron, Jecht and Braska went to kill Sin
>they succeeded
>but Jecht is now Sin
>and Braska's whereabouts are never mentioned
>Tidus "Questions Everything Because He's New Here" Lastname never once questions where the fuck Braska went after killing Sin

>hmm I wonder is that autist here, I will post the laziest bait imaginable to check. if he's here, it will be impossible for him to not reply.
>immediate response
Fishing for schizos has never been easier.

>>746691638
FF12 was cool, ur gay

>>746696160
This is actually it, I was really into turn based games but I only got into FF later because when I saw 10 I thought that shit looked gay

>>746703259
Which was rightfully panned even by critics, it had a fun setting and plot, but basically worse everything else including the multiplayer.

>>746704172
FF12 is cool, just boring. It's 13 that had the annoying characters.

>>746688679
FF10 is actually pretty good if you can ignore some of it's more questionable qualities.

Like, I like Spoony but I genuinly can't watch his FF10 review without cringing. Just absolutely awful arguments.

>>746691471
Everybody in FF1 is African.

Northern society is a stand in for whites and they are razed to the ground.

>>746692580
NTA, but while you aren't wrong all FF games are melodramatic as fuck. It's part of the charm and trying to move away from that in a effort to appear "Cool" was a huge mistake.

>>746705213
Sometimes I'll look at something like 16 and think "who the fuck asked for this?" Why are we appealing to the guy who said ha ha ha was cringe on a YouTube video? I make my fair share of jokes about Squall playing cards while saying Whatever but you know what? I'll take goofy yet sincere a million times before whatever the fuck SE is doing now

>>746705479
16 just feels like they took all the worst lessons from FF14 and tried to do their own take on FF6.

Like, I got started with the 3D version of FF4(Well, I played emulated FF stuff before that but I never really stuck with it). That game is very silly and melodramatic, but damn if it doesn't work. Not saying they should make something exactly like FF4 but if they are serious about attracting young people they should at least consider something with that kind of tone. I personally played FF4 at the exact right age, and it's probably the main reason I still somewhat care about the franchise.

>>746705827
One of the things that got me about FF6 is how often it's presented as a stage play. You'll have a dramatic moment and then a moogle will step in to speak to the player like they're the audience. And it's cool. Squaresoft had full command of their medium. To the point that 3 decades later, Terra and Celes and Locke remain beloved characters.

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>>746685326
I really don't get why people have beef with this scene.
Do people not understand what it is trying to convey?

>>746706570
Of course we understand, it's just shit at presenting it.

>>746706570
A lot of people just really fucking hate Tidus and that supersedes any care about themes or ideas.

>>746686245
truth nuke

>>746685326
If you want to see this scene done right, play Kingdom Hearts instead. The difference in quality in VA and animation is enormous.

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>>746706570
>Do people not understand what it is trying to convey?
yes

>>746686245
That's only Americans

>>746705135
>watching reviews in the first place
Kill yourself

>a-ackthsually my true problem with this scene is that it's badly executed, not that i didn't understood that it's supposed to be forced
Gamers might just be subhumans

>>746707037
that's what people said all along
why are you insisting on arguing with a strawman? is it because you can't actually defend the scene as it is?

>>746707131
To 'defend the scene' there would have to be a more developed argument against it than 'it was bad in all aspects'

>>746707219
tidus doesn't look or sound like someone forcing a laugh, even badly. this is evident to anyone who doesn't have severe autism

If you legitimately can't see or hear any difference in the HA HA HA and the laughter afterwards, you have no business calling anyone autistic.

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>>746691873
Tidus in every cutscene is clearly Asian, anon.

>>746691825
t. a no taste 85 IQ Nigerian

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>>746709428
I like Tidus when hes portrayed as more "white" like in Dissidia, AND when hes portrayed as very tan with more asian features like in the original FFX FMV cutscenes. But man, the recent zoomgroids who have "found" FFX lately have become so obsessed with screeching at Square-Enix about taking away Tidus' "melanin" that I hope he gets canonically paler with every future design choice they make for him.