>indie devs slave their soul away to create the best video game possible>earns 1M in their games entire lifespan>gacha devs shits in a unity shaped bucket>gets number like this monthlyWhy even bother?
Gee anon, that's a super retarded comparison! Are you clinically retarded, or just pretending? Either way, you're retarded! HEHEHEHEHEHE
>>746694208Survivor bias, you don't see the bottom of the chain of stragglers trying to survive.
>errrrm why make game when candy crush makes billions xDThis is your argument
>>746694407It's just about feeling demoralized
>>746694208It takes like 100 million dollaridoos for a small indie company like Hoyo to maintain and develo Genshin tho
>>746694458Candy crush or clash of clans made billions and billions through the years and it didn't stop indie devs from making lots of vidya. You're an idiot.
>>746694208Why do browns think revenue = profit?
>>746694208all these numbers are fake
>>746694208Name 3 great indie games that didn't become massive successes
>>746694458Gachaslop is souless slop.Indie devs get to make what they want while gacha devs are forced to make that slop with negative gameplay and as many hooks as possible to extract money.
>>746694208>Naruto MobileHow come this is popular outside of China?
>>746694810We get it, you like your pixel vomit with gameplay lifted from nintendo and capcom games from the 90s
>>746694848isnt even*
>>746694208If gacha is that easy to make, why don't indie do it?
>>746694208Not shown:jewhoyo spending half a billion dollar yearly to shill JUST genshit.
>>746694771Was Rabi-ribi and its spiritual successor, Tevi, massive success? Genuine question.
1 year anniversary is considered a big event in gacha games. Make of that knowledge what you will.
>>746695118Nah
>>746694208Why don't indie devs just make blue archive? seriously what's their excuse?>Oh i don't want those peoples moneythen why are we talking about anything.
>>746694208Where is that wolf ceo game
>>746698595Smart people arent into Pedophilla
>>746698750even better it's harder to take smart peoples money. but that really highlights my point, the Chinese studios make money because they'll sell people things indie devs consider too low brow.You can have integrity or you can have moneyYou can make a fun game or you can make a skinner box.
>>746694208Wouldn't you be more upset about that Meccha Chameleon game that was made by 2 devs in 2 months with bare minimum free assets and sold 10 million copies, while there are thousands of games made in literal years that barely sell 100 copies?
>>746698595>blue archiveBecause it actually took effort to make unlike those even more pixelated clones of snes games
>>7466942081M is way above average.
>>746698710What gane
You're retarded.Assuming an indie game sells 1m copies at 30 dollars, that's 30m dollars. With the 30% steam tax cut, the devs are still coming home with 27m dollars. Assuming further taxes, that's still 20+m dollars. This is for a team of maybe 2-10 people. These gachas, like say mihoyo, have hundreds if not thousands of employees and therefore have massive production costs. It needs to earn at least 100m dollars every year.
>>746700520Nah
>>746694208>Triple AAA>>generic corpo safe slop>Indie>>metroid undertale copy #19879734>Gacha>>hot designs that everyone wants but not a single person in the western industry has the balls to dooh wowI wonder why or how they make so much money even if the gameplay is shit
>>746701908Booba
>>746698750israel owns your country
>>746694208>>746694458indie devs can say they make games for white people.Gacha devs don't want to admit their games are for browns only.Persist, brother.
>>746694771Magicka 1, Heat Signature, Nine Sols
>>746698819The children yearn for prop hunt and Extractionlikes. Let it be known that Lethal Company and Repo were extremely successful and made their makers millions and millions. If anything, one of the key things you need to make a successful game, among other things, is a good voip.
>>746698750
>indie dev put their soul->Tag: rougelite, pixel art
>>746702380Someone mad
>>746694921Yes, I do love actual games, and not glorified slot machines with no way of winning money back.GachaFags are a disease.
>>746702453>made with gamemaker engine
>>746694208>coomshit>coomshit>coomshit>naruto lol>pokecuck>coomshit
>>746694208>The "ZZZ promotes black culture because it has big asses" schizo has evolved to making his own threads
>>746694208>Why even bother?not everything is about money you retard.
>>746702349Just pick a random flash game you liked as a kid, ask AI to vibe code a copy of it for you, and sell it. You'll make money
>>746701908Because coomers are the most exploitable demographic with no standards? Just make the roster 99.9% women whose sole personality trait is immediately wanting to suck off the emotionless self-insert MC unconditionally for no reason, despite being drastically out of your league, and they'll slop it up like pigs from a trough.
>>746702837how is genshin a coomer game when it has the most modest designs in gacha games
>>746702837The internet is for pornThe internet is for porn
>>746702961That sounds pretty evil. Also I think any attempt to recreate Sonny would just make me sad..
>>746702989Then how come western devs don't do it? Do they hate money?
>>746703278those times are OVER old man
>>746703509>best design in snezhnaya is not playablewhy god
>>746702809Lmao your derivative shit is no better than gachas, sit your ass down
>>746694208This is an OP which can bamboozle a 15 year old but not anybody older than that.
>>746694208If other games making more money than you is enough to dishearten you then you never had a soul to begin with, you were only in it for the money.
>>746702831soul
>>746698595>why don't smart w*men just whore online>smart
>>746694208The shit and the bucket are both very expensive compared to the indie game budget.
>>746694848it's not out outside of china
>>746703509Still tame compared to the majority of games in that list.
>>746694329spbp
>>746694208Why do they always exclude Blue Archive from these?
>>746704909It's not excluded, it's just way further down the list. It's in 24th place
>>746704984There's no way it's that low. It just had their summer event with some fan favourites and adjusted the system to encourage more purchases. Also comiket happened which brought even more attention to the game. Something is very wrong here.
>>746705183Might still be reeling from the big changes to the gacha system to become a 50/50 hoyo system which people are not fans of.
>>746705183It's a knows fact that most BAfags only consume secondary products and porn and don't even play the game itself
>>746703316Same reason Western mangaka don't exist: no one wants to financially support white weebs.
>>746694208genshin impact was a 100mil gamble just fyi
Mihoyo wins again
>>746706594Wrong
>>746707453hoyowon
>>746707556It even sounds like you are speaking chinese like the shill you are
>>746708238sir this is a gacha thread, we all speak cantonese here
>>746708238Not shilling, just stating facts. Their games won.You're the one who appears to be irrationally delusional over mere video game made-up numbers.
>>746694503Hoyo was not a large company pre genshin. They had a couple hundred employees and their best game was HI3 making a couple million a month. Say what you will about them as a company now but taking a risk on Genshin costing them multiple years of income was insane.
>>746708408Cant say they won when they will have 0 cultural significance
>>746706479we can make hot women without an anime artstyle methinksunless that's lost 2000s technology
>>746703509am I supposed to coom to this? Peak prude
>>746708985you'll be cooming to DEATH bro
>>746708786Except for the fact that zoomer and alphas know more about gacha than normal games nowadays. Tiktok and youtube is just zoomers dancing to gacha
>>746694208They actually make much more. This is mobile only. Big gachas now make more than half on PC.
>>746694208This is gambling.And it will get banned eventually. Especially once gacha kids grow old and understand the consequences of their addiction.
Do thirdies not realize this site literally and unironically just makes these numbers up this ain’t no steam chart
>>746694208gacha devs (or simply mobile game devs) are paid in salaries, they will never see such numbers in their bank accountsnow go be underage elsewhere
>le gacha boogeyman thread #68368
>>746708786Just last year, the Administration of Culture and Tourism said over HALF of all 18-30yo chinese people have played Genshin in the past.That's 1 in 10 chance of walking around in a city in China and one of those people have played Genshin.It's time for you to wake up.
>>746695075mihoyo hasn't spent money shilling genshin in years
Imagine a world without SEAniggers...No more phoneslop gachashit threads
>>746709334Thirdies just don't want to see their game lose to <insert popular game here>, even in fake revenue charts.
>>746698595"Indie" is a made-up label if you didn't get the memo. People make gacha/Farmville clones for phone all the time independent of their budget. If it doesn't have the budget of blue archive, I'm not going to look up if they do, that is indie. Farmville could be an indie since e33 is.
>>746708786>they will have 0 cultural significancewhat do you consider cultural significance
>>746709334Imagine buying a gachashit battlepass. It's five bucks, it's nothing to you. But to a seamonkey gachanigger, it's a massive investment of hours of work. The game is now "their" team, they have to fight for it.
>>746709334it's just an excuse to have a gacha meta threadcan't talk about certain games otherwise
>>746708786>tiktokers>pixiv itself
>>746708786dude... in the past 6 years most cosplayers at cons have been genshin charactersgo outside sometimes
>gacha defenders sprouts up when its shithole time
>>746695082I don't know about tevi but rabi ribi had a fucking orchestra play his soundtrack bro. Remember you might not hear much about it in the anglosphere but the game is super popular with the chinese
>>746710134that sentence doesn't even make sense
>>746694208Work smarter instead of harder.
>>746708703yes, it was totally risky having a CCP backed game
>>746710134>nooo why do other people have other opinions??? everyone should join me in my hatred!
The trick is to make high quality indie games.
>>746710408It only became a CCP branch after the success of genshin. before 2020, mihoyo was a literal who company. companies like Manjuu, who made Azur Lane, was more well known as a gacha back then.
>>746703671its far better lmao. gacha is actual AIDS served on a plate
>>746694208The gacha industry is incredibly competitive tho? The gacha guys are dumping millions into advertising and trying to stay relevant. For each of these gacha games that are raking in millions ten more die off within the first year.
>>746694208>indie dev team is like 5 people, and their development costs were rather low, leading to a huge payout if they manage to find their niche>mihoyo has 5000 employees (and also lucked out by finding a niche ahead of anyone else, not just once but three times in a row)
>>746711221All three of their mainstay declined in 2025, even they need to come up with new hits because the fountain isn't gonna flow forever.
>>746710408the CCP support only started happening later when it blew up and China realized they can use entertainment media in the same way as Japan to polish their image abroad
>>746711263I assume they'll probably be good for a while. They made an absurd amount of money, and from what I've seen, all the games they have in the pipeline are for different genres, and some even art styles.So they keep trying to find new niches rather than falling into the typical AAA dev trap of re-releasing the same slop again and again, never straying from the niche they had success in once
>>746711264>they can use entertainment media in the same way as Japan to polish their image abroadBut I hate china even more now that they censored all my anime girls
>>746694208A lot of chink gachaslop companies are funded by the CCP, tho.
FGO THEY KILLER SAID
>>746705794>Literally touhou 2.0lmao
>>746703671You're brown
>>746711442That's japan's fault for chasing after the western audience.
>>746711263Every fucking gacha game has declined in the last 2 years. Just like all fucking spending has. Hoyo still makes multiple billions a year off their games.
>>746711263>All three of their mainstay declined in 2025now do 2026
>>746701908Western indie that's wants to create a anime gacha where?
>>746694329SpbpTop 10 most grossing gacha are all from billionaire companies or billionaire IPs.
The west doesn't make games like this because westerners generally don't like anime. Look at the reception towards E33 and look at streamers' reactions whenever a game like Xenoblade or Persona gets a trailer in Geoff's shows. It's either indifference or scoffing at the weird akneemay game for incels. Now pair westerner's utter distaste for microtransactions and anime and you have negative marketing.
>>746712558what kind of schizo headcannon is this
>>746712558but the west loves comicsjust get a nice art style
>>74670052030% of 30mil is not 3mil lol. That's some Trump type of math.Anyways steam eating such a big cut is why companies frequently go to epic first and double dip back later.
>>746712558Dumb fuck normies love persona
>>746694208>games made by hundreds of people on a big budget are better than indie gamesWoah.
SLABSETBSCHASE CARDRIP TIL YOU HIT
>>746712636>>746712753You need a reality check. Yes it's much better than it used to be for weebs and yes anime is somewhat mainstream now. But they're still not the majority. In an equal fight, a non-anime game is gonna do better than an anime game when we're talking about the west.I really fucking hope that someone's gonna do a basically-gacha with harem and for(You) girls and shit but with photorealism UE5 graphics just to prove this point.
>>746709820e33 being indie is just the game awards pointing out they dont give a shit about indie titles as much as they care about giving awards to people they can profit from.
How long until we get AI that plays gacha for us? The worst part of gacha is the gameplay so being able to wake up and say "Grok, log into (turn based gacha where you navigate menus) and do my dailies." shouldn't be too hard.
>>746712921Kill yourself gachaslopper
>>746713557just download the jpegs. or tell your clanker to do it at this point.
>>746694208Any industry is business first. Those numbers are more of result of hiring, management, marketing efforts than actual game dev.
>>746709820E33 isn;t indie and only retards will argue otherwiseyes TGA is all retards, or at the very least maliciously designated it as indie even though by all means it is not
>>746694208What happened to the LADS homo game that foids play in the #1 spot?
>>746712753My dude, angry joe is the most normie of normies, and the fucker squirms every time some weebshit trailer appears in the game awards or summer games fest.
>>746694208>gacha's revenue drop by 5%>instantly EoS due debtOP is a retard who doesn't know shit
>>746713727blue archive and gfl2 haven't eos'd yet after like 4 years thoughbeit
>>746713640It's indie by the label of "not under any big publisher or made by any of the big studios", but that technically makes Baldur's Gate 3 indie as well, which also disqualifies many indie hits of the past.We'll kindly look over the fact that it has billionaire backing and hundreds of people involved, something "regular" indie studios never will.E33 is "indie" with like 20 different asterisks and I'm still mad that it was allowed to happen.
>>746713698LADS is explicitly not homo. The fanbase and even the devs react in the extreme to any kind of fanart or anything shipping the male love interests with each other.
>>746694208You are extremely retarded if you think this. As >>746694329 says, most of the popular gachas require at minimum multi-millions in investment and 99% of them fucking fail
>>746713779>blue archive almost got fucked over by the gacha changes to the point of needing to throw a ton of freebies to appease the whalesyou can fucking bet they are quickly burning through all their stored cash
>>746713809i think people at large forgot that AA is a thing, since most AA devs moved to doing mobile slop because it's what makes more money and no one cares about mobile shovelware
>>746713698Here's a kiketuber to watchhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O34uTDHMccIf that's too much I'll tl;dr it for youA new character that was a monster boy werewolf foreigner that invades your home and harrasses you was announcedGlobal loved him because monsterfuckersChina HATED him because he's a rape character in a cozy game about being a safe space for women and also he had a bunch of dogwhistles in his lore that only Chinese people would understand, references to Japanese war crimes and baby killingChina complained so hard that LADS removed him from the game and the anniversary became a fraction of what it was supposed to be.Global was upset because a hunk was removed despite all their twitter posting and all they read was "Chinese players get character removed for being too masculine, calling him gay and sending cow shit to the devs"All in all it's a reminder that global players are powerless and should stick to Marvel hero collectors.
>>746702453>unreal engine 5>ps1 graphics >needs gtx 4090 to work
>>746694208Three of those are established franchises that go back decades, not new IPs. They earned the fanbase they have through being already ingrained.Three of those are the same company that clearly pours far, far, far more money into their gacha than any indie company could possibly dream of. Whether or not the 'effort' is what you like or not isn't up for debate, they clearly have grabbed a loyal fanbase by catering to their likes.
>>746694208>highly detailed UE5 chinkslop that cost billions to make, all funded by winnie the pooh's partyVS>some 2011 flash-tier shit made by 5 japs in a basement with the budget of a six pack of beer, cigarettes and some sushi
>game is free>makes billionsPiracy won again
>>746714079Based foids but that's also a little bit scary. I don't think incel and coomer gacha gamers have done anything that crazy, right?
>>746714198China can invest infinite money for all their slops, but they will never reach Japan's levels of soul not matter how hard they try.That's desperation to be like Japan is so fucking sad, it makes me almost feel bad for them.
>>746714361HI3 had a chink mad about a GL-exclusive bunnysuit patch stab one of the devs.But nothing as bad as basically killing the game overnight by somehow angering both sides.
>>746708786you sound butthurt
>>746714395That's fine because asia, their main market, loves these games anyway. I don't think the west is a big priority for them. You see plenty of stuff that's asia exclusive for these gachas.
>>746709824LMAO
>>746714526can someone explain this gif to meit makes zero sense and I do play ZZZwhy is it so popular
>>746712558Lots of westerners love anime, it's just the rest try and pretend they don't exist for some reason
>>746714586because it's not from ZZZ. It's a tiktok meme by people who never play ZZZ.
>>746714557Oh yeah, Japan is the only relevant and the most vital market for chinese gachas.The moment the gacha dies in Japan is also the moment the gacha dies in general.
>>746714741The thing is that gamers, especially millennials, are a cut from a different cloth from anime fans. Gamers have specific tastes and prefer games that have better graphics or look more realistic.
>>746714586Because it's cute
>>746714840Will probably take a long while because japan has been playing gacha since forever. In fact, it's normal gaming that's dying over there. It's been nearly 20 years and that's what they play the most. See Fate/Grand Order up in OP's pic. not just japan too, and asia in general just loves live service games.Granted China and korea are starting to make more normal games nowadays but gacha and live service games are still dominant in that region.
>>746714928FUFU SEX
>>746695082rabi-ribi is low quality slop thoughbeitever
>>746714847>are a cut from a different cloth from anime fans.That's a misleading term to refer to the fact they have significantly worse taste, period.
I wish I could just kill all normies and gacha players so every single bad game that is successful just dies with them overnight. You pretty much have to be an unbearable piece of shit to play either genshin or clash of clans.
>>746715169I think most people would consider the one wishing they could kill those who have better taste than them to be the unbearable one.
>>746715169t. play TES and soulslop
>>746715258Kill yourself gacha piece of shit. Gamblers are the worst people ever. I don't care how cool Kaiji-kun seems on paper he's a worthless nigger gambler and I wouldn't let him into my house. I genuinely get mad at how much money you retards waste on unplayable garbage. Genshin is just a worse breath of the wilds and even breath of wilds was mediocre.>>746715293Neither, kill yourself.
>>746715630>Kill yourself gacha piece of shit. Gamblers are the worst people ever.Not as bad as you, clearly.
>>746715630I only spend big money on live service games like marvel rivals. Does that make you mad? I only do dailies and weeklies on gacha so I barely spend any money besides 5 dollar monthly passes every now and then.
>>746715169I just fucking love zzz and its unironically one of my favorite games ive ever played
>>746715818Same. It's also one of the most chill communities for a gacha. You also get a constant flow of cosplayers.
>>746715715>>746700939>The chinese truly have no souls because they cannot create anything original.Let us look at the real Marathon created by American game developers.>Look at how much more soulful this design is. It actually has personality. It's actually intellectually superior because it does not pander to the male gaze.>The reason why soulless chinks pender to the male gaze, is because of their pathetic one child policy which practically destroyed the female population in china>In order to placate the pathetic dwindling population they need to inject offensive derogatory oversexualized women in their media in order to brainwash the eunuch males into compliancy.>The presence of black male characters in Western media is testament to the sexual confidence of the American male.>Death to china.
>>746715756>erm i only spend money on games like marvel rivalsi don't understand how someone can say this without considering the rope
>>746715715>Posts a picture live service slop.Point proven now kill yourself. I refuse to buy any of your life service garbage. I didn't manage to buy a 5090 on neetbux by being retarded in how I spent my money. You will NOT get my dollar unless I have already pirated your game and decided you deserved the money. And I despise those who support the gaming industry. You're fucking scum.
>>746715912I play lots of live service yeah.the first descendant too. It's not a gacha but an even more gooner clone of warframe.
>>746715934>neetbuxwho are you to judge, worthless parasite
>>746715934You are a lower quality person than the people you fling your vile shit at. Take a look in the mirror sometime, you sick idealogue.
I love my wife Hanuma Makoto and her Pandemonium friends.
>>746716071You're the freak who comes onto 4chan and acts surprised when everyone there is superior to you. I was there at pool's closed. You pathetic niggers just need to get off my website.
>>746716070Do you even know where you are you fucking goycattle?
>>746713557There are idle gacha games already.
>>746716585>I was there at pool's closed.kys, you're way too old for this board
>>746716640worthlessparasite
>>746694208>hourly 'discuss gacha on /v/' threadFuck off.
>>746717032Imagine coming to a neet chud box website and then getting offended when you don't belong. Cope about it faggot. I am defacto superior to you for not participating in the system. You're just mad because you're a fucking loser goycattle with responsibilities. I just play videogames. He fact that you even try to debase me when I am the one following the expected hivemind status quo for this website only confirms to me what a retard you are.
>>746716957There is no such thing as too old for 4chan. I form my entire identity and personality around this website. I am dare say, le anonymous himself.
>>746717298It's eating away at you doesn't it?
>>746717403The only thing eating away at me is that I have to deal with retards like you constantly who are clearly normies but want to come to my website where I have spent my entire life and suddenly challenge me on the already concluded facts. Just leave, because I'm not going to. I will here every single day to shit down your throat until I die.
>>746717389
>>746717501>>746716585
>>746717562kids kids kids uoooohhhhhhhhh
>>746717501ok obsessed schizo have fun
>>746717687actually 2 of them are 500 years-old and another one around 400
>>746717873basically kids compared to some of the 999 billion year old vampire entities though
>>746694208>GACHA IS AUTOMATICALLY... LE SHITYou still can't argue how.>BUT GAMBLING BUT ANIME JPEGSMoral panic is not an argument.
>>746717770Wow it's almost like entire idea of coolness is to be a hidden away loser that nobody else knows about while still having a gamer(wife) I met on /v/ to play vidya with. Sorry you missed the memo but I am extremely cool when I buy myself nice tech toys while stealing tax dollars. I regularly train myself in ways of violence by headbutting and punching concrete so I'm prepared to kick your ass IRL too.
>>746717501>>746716585You know, I'm not at all convinced that you are what you say you are. You don't display any of the personality traits of the type of person you're trying to lose as. You behave like a vitriolic sjw actually, with your ideological, moral posturing.
>>746718208>headbutting and punching concreteis that why you're so brain damaged and on neetbux?
>>746718316Don't care, didn't ask. I was there at pool's closed and I make the rules. I am more toxic and violent than sjws by a long shot and I regularly dox and swat people while raiding servers just for looking at me wrong. I would rape you too, if I could for posting here.
>>746715140Pewdiepie is such a weeaboo that his infant son speaks Japanese and live in Japan. You cannot get more weeb than that.
>>746694208>>indie devs slave their soul away to create the best video game possibleThings that never ever happened.
>>746718373Everyone knows you just need to larp to get on neetbux. Headbutting does not cause dementia if you utilize heat shock proteins.
>>746718373sexbringer
>>746718434You sound like a prancing faggot with your "muh gambling" angle though. Maybe you should dox and rape yourself. You're certainly not the type of person whose ever contributed meaningfully to the culture of this website. Maybe you're only here because kiwi farms is having a hard time lately .
>>746718559 Not reading the post of a drug addict gambler. Cope and rope. You are scum.
>>746718465Yet plenty of anime-hating millennials wear that exact same look.
>>746718531you do you I guess, even if it is to be a demented psycho
You niggers need to stop thinking "just let people enjoy things" is a mentality that is tolerated on this website. Videogames are the most serious business there is. You can either agree with the hivemind and join it in unity or get raped and attacked while you try desperately to defend yourself at all sides. Gacha niggers are not tolerated here.
Why come indie devs don't simply make their OWN gacha games?
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>>746718627>drug addict gamblerhaha you're such a fragile little faggot.
>>746694208already pondered this, a lot. why not make flavor of the monthy streamer rage bait game / gacha (fuck no i will never abuse dopamine triggers like this you absolute scum) AND your dream project, under different indie studio names so the two don't get associated with each other?
>>746718995Gamblers are the lowest class of society next to drug addicts. If you drink or smoke you're pathetic.
>>746718819Anti-Gacha tourists are not tolerated here.
>>746694208If you want to make money you could work on gambling or tax evasionI imagine they do it for the love of the game
>>746718819>You can either agree with the hivemindsir, reddit is that way. inb4 saar implying curtesy is somehow indian and ironically proving your point that 4chan is just reddit hivemind too.............. (use your brains, don't be sheep)
>>746718819gachas aren't going anywhere and you do not speak for the hivemind
>>746719084>moralfaggingreddit
>>746719118Excuse me faggot. Unless you formed that windmill do not reply to me again. I stated the facts.
>>746719246>Gacha niggers are not tolerated here.Isreal's been working you hard lately, huh?
>>746718316This would be 10000x times better if it was Aether licking Venti and Mika's feet. Fucking yuri niggers.
>>746714847generalizing gamers to "all like realism" is like saying all anime manga is the same. its a vast and varied world out there, but of course people would rather be brainrot and just spout shit all the time and everyone ELSE just takes it at face value and everyone comes out the other side stupider than before.like if you have ever said "what do I do" while playing a game and the TUTORIAL IS ON THE SCREEN you should put the pad down and read a fucking book.
Genshin wonGacha wonTotal Chinese Victory
>>746719084Oh yeah, what happened to being a proud neet? And here you are trying to use social status as an argument LOL
>>746719409dammit I'm hungry
