Starfield developer says space is inherently boring
this is why fantasyfags should never be allowed to work on space games, and especially space games masquerading as "hard" sci-fi
>not our fault, it's the setting
Stargazing on an empty planet is different. It's lonely, but not in a sad way.
>>746695238Remember, it’s the execution that matters most!
>>746695238The next elder scrolls will be a disaster, these retards didn't learn anything lmao.
Space, deserts, oceans = Garbage.
>>746695430>everyone you love is galaxies away.>all their lives kept going anyway while you are stuck light years away from everything, alone.>HUR DURRR nOt IN a SAd waY.
>>746695238You know what's also inherently boring? Guns. Running and jumping. Strategic planning. Slot machines. Kicking a ball.That's why you make them FUN. You extract FUN out of these concepts. That's your fucking JOB. I can go play a game made 30+ years ago about a space ship shooting at rocks and have FUN because the devs back then weren't worthless hacks who had to keep sucking executive cock just to maintain a paycheck. I hate these worthless c-list "devs" of the modern age. How the fuck did everything go so fucking wrong so fucking fast?
>>746695238>we vastly increased the scope of our game and now we have empty spaces, how can this be happening?!If you want to do pseudo hard sci-fi, never make the scale more than solar system level. It’s not rocket science
>>746695535Normies invaded and turned office jobs into office politics.
Yeah, empty generic desert planets are pretty boring if you could just go to them as easily as you could go to a grocery store.WHICH IS THE REASON WHY YOU DON’T MAKE A GAME ABOUT EMPTY GENERIC DESERT PLANETS IF YOU ARE A GAME DEV, YOU MAKE MORE INTERESTING PLANETS OR PUT SOME INTERESTING THINGS ON THEM
>>746695238Then maybe they should have made the society that existed within that space interesting, yet they seemingly deliberately avoided doing that at every turn
>>746695238Is he wrong? if you were to do grounded space, a lot of it would be nothing since most planets either have instantly kill you environments or just be empty with rocks around. Then you'd have to set planets inbetween goldilocks zones which would make them more earthlike but then what would you do on them other than build space bases and mine for things? realistically there wont be any enemies around on these random backwater planets either. This is why you have to make the setting more fiction in order to make it interesting and fun, which is what Starfield did.
>>746695238Space could be fucking anything. There are a gorillion planets out there. Also, it's a fucking video game. So why does every space game have to be>blue desert>yellow desert>green desert>purple desert
>>746695635>It’s not rocket scienceWait just a fucking minute...
Don't make a space game, then.
Wow, you're telling me that when a bunch of mindless retarded normalfags make a game based on something they have zero love or interest in, it ends up being really boring and stupid? Wild.
It was supposed to make the boring parts interesting though, but they took all that out at the last minute because they thought it would be too complicated.Building bases on unclaimed rocks or moons? There's no point, you can purchase all those materials at stores anywhere. But originally, they were intended to produce fuel, supplies, and various other necessities to explore the unknown and uncolonized regions. In the final product, none of that matters. You can fly to the end of known space and back without a single thing, and nobody cares.Of course, none of that would help with the boring, sterilized, hypercorporate world they made where even the most infamous nightclub on the dirtiest, most degenerate planet known to mankind looks like a kids 10th birthday party.The game could've been amazing. Microsoft fucked it
>>746695238space was the least of starf's problemsthe game side of things fell apart in every direction
>you see that star there, you can go to it.
>>746695929>Microsoft fucked itMicrosoft had nothing to do with it. It's just the typical Bethesda product. Shilled as a revolutionary masterpiece before release, ends up being a half-baked sterile turd that's always two steps from falling apart completely and only gets held together with prayers and duct tape.
>>746695238Space is as boring as you make it to be. Just create some space alien species. The developers and "creative" heads are lacking ideas.
>>746695238That former designer sounds brown. White people long for exploring.
>>746695929>Microsoft fucked ityes, I'm sure the microsoft that were so infamously hands-off that they had to publicly tell them to get back to making fucking video games instead of fucking around for a decade are the reason this game was so shitty.
>>746695238>please dont buy our gameOkay good to know. I wish more devs were this transparent with the product they're making
>>746695238KOTOR and Mass Effect beg to differ.
>>746695238He's right that space is boring. That's why you don't make it about space. You focus on the destinations, or on the people, or the science.
>>746696026>>746696084The fucked nature of it is very different from how modern Bethesda fucks things up. The megacorp sterilized it, cut its balls off. Killed any soul it might've had. Even fallout 4 had some obviously good ideas behind it, and eventually they added survival mode. No such luck for Starfield. Don't even pretend Microsoft had no influence on the game
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>>746696265Jesus fucking christ, don't be so god-damn delusional.It's Bethesda. Shartfield is just their usual release. The fact that people expected something different from this turd truly boggles my mind.
>>746695238>"space is inherently boring"Did this guy not watch like... any old Star Trek or Doctor Who episodes or whatever else? All you have to do to make space not "boring" is think of literally any idea at all and then explain it away with sci-fi jargon.
>>746696390Compare and contrast Fallout 4 and Starfield. The differences are very obvious. The failings of Starfield are of a different flavor than any other Bethesda game. Don't pretend to be stupid, it's bad for your spirit.
>>746695754Nobody said you have to let players visit every dead planet. You could have dozens of living vibrant places to visit instead of six trillion dead ones. If space is empty then build something so it isn't anymore.
>>746695238its boring because shitheads made it human only
Space is actual you think you do but you don't. You need aliens to do the heavy lifting and once you do you're back to fantasy anyway.
>>746696443Diff anon here. Fo4 was shit. Are you also pretending 76 never happened?
>have a blank slate where you can create whatever cuh-razy shit you want>make nothingI'm not even a 40k fan but it's inherently not boring because there's just so much shit in it and tons of stuff to read about and imagine. All they have to do is make stuff. Lmao.
>>746695238He's right. Space sucks and every sci fi game involving it just pretends it's not there for that reason.
>>746695238No, space is awesome, your game and development efforts are boringt. KSPChad
>>746695238It's true.
>>746696496you would fit right in at Bethesda
>>746695238>it's another "Bethesda fails to learn from their mistakes" episodeTired. So very tired.
>>746695238space is boring in starfield because bethesda have no imagination
>>746696297Except the internet is mostly dead now. The sites you explored 15-20 years ago are gone.
>>746696641Space Jam website is still uphttps://www.spacejam.com/1996/
>>746696443>compare and contrast shallow, sterile, half-baked corporate garbage with shallow, sterile, half-baked corporate garbageOk?
>>746696265This is going to be the bethesdrone cope when TES 6 releases and it bombs. They'll blame Microsoft.You get what you fuckin deserve.
>>746695238why is there so much space in space?
>>746695238I wish it was actually like space. They filled every landing point with POIs. I hate that no matter where I land there’s a little settlement or bandit factory close by. I’d genuinely explore more if it was empty.
>>746695238I did expect an alien long arc, from ruins to eventually encounter. Ayleid like ruins even.They made space boring. Them.Bethesda went from producing games to an investment firm where the customer is the product. Fuck them. And fuck that loud mouth piece of shit. Bethesda devolved along the years.
>>746696929All of these too big to fail studios need 2 bad games in a row in order to truly get a bad name. If tes6 is as bland as Skyrim, Bethesda will be fine.
>>746695535I get where you are going with this but>guns>inherently boringget outta here
>>746697018it's fucking insane they said aliens were too fantastical then proceeded to shit out the most retarded samsara bullshit with literal dragonborne space magic
>>746697018... that happened long ago with horse armor, paid mods and skyrim re-re-re-re-releases.
>>746695238did that nigga ever heard of star trek or star warsrealism as a movement needs to end, it's turning the gaming industry into ruin
>>746696443>Compare and contrast shit and shit. The differences are very obvious.Both seem like shit to me. I guess I'm not an enlightened shit connoisseur like you.
>>746697271Guns by themselves are boring. You extract fun out of them by shooting them.
Is starfield actually a bad game, or does it just suffer from common modern american politics?
>>746697475both
>space is boring>one of the best games ever made (outer wilds) is a space game
>space, the final frontier>could make your imagination runs wild about what's up there>could make both surreal environment and horrors that make humanity's achievements looks small and worthless>"space is boring"pure cope from uncreatives faggots who can't rotate an apple in their mind
>>746695238Exploring real space would be an accomplishment, which makes it "not boring." But what do you get for playing a dry, sterile sim that everyone has access to and does nothing for humanity? Not a lot.
>>746697430>Women aren't inherently sexy. You extract sexiness out of them by viewing them and having sex with them.Holy FUCKING shit my sides
>>746695238>>746695516>>746696598FORMER designer, you illiterates.He was fired for a reason.
>space aliens are too unrealistic for our NASApunk "hard sci-fi" game>oh btw any gameplay that actually involves hard sci-fi mechanics are boring and nobody wanted them so we gutted the need to build logistics bases, monitor fuel & supplies consumption, etc>oh btw the story is about dimension-hopping Space Dragonborn fighting each other because...because...because they must.
>>746697494would it be playable or even enjoyable without those political influences?
>>746697540The reason was that he was experienced and cost them more money than some untrained indian. You are clueless.
>>746697540For thinking that it was a good game?
>>746697620no
>>746697524>Women aren't inherently sexy.Correct. They're sexy as a function of being observed by someone who considers them such. If there were a woman that you couldn't see, hear, smell, or touch, that you could in no way observe, could you really call her sexy?
>>746697730>*takes one philosophy class*
>>746695238>space is inherently boringIf that's true, then why do I find SpaceEngine fun? Why did I spend hours looking up at night when I used to live out of town?Just say you fucked up, it's so much easier on everyone.
>>746697620The political stuff is pretty mild to be honest, there's just a lot of brown ugly people all over the place.The rest of the game is so bad. Everything from the exploration, combat, story, companions, systems, tone.
*Knock knock* It's the early 2020's and I'm coming in!Shalom! I have quite the lucrative deal for ya today.I think it's great that you're making video games and I want to give you this big wheelbarrow full of money I got here for you to do it. It's yours!Catch? There's no catch! Well, I just have one itsy, bitsy tiny request. I got this tiny list of DEI guidelines here. You can continue making the game exactly how you want it to be, I'm just going to need you to sprinkle in a little diversity here and there. The gamers won't even notice! After all, they're playing for the gameplay! They won't care about a few race swapped characters and women in positions of power.Just take the money, it's a total win-win here!
Starfield was a blatant act of wanting to have your cake and eat it too. You can't have some things be "realistic" and others be blatantly not as such. If they wanted realistic space they should have made the sole act of making progress much harder so the harsh barren wastelands actually pose the threat they pose in real life. If you let me hop from planet to planet and use blasters to gun down space pirates like Star Wars you need make more interesting settings because you already conceded "realism" away
>>746695754The problem is that it’s not grounded, yet they still tried to larp as if it was to make the game seem smarter.Even disregarding space magic, the fact it’s got ftl means that realism fucked off to Hawaii a long time ago, so constraining themselves to what’s realistic is just dumb.The truth is that Todd wanted to brag about having thousands of planets to explore, but also knew full well he’d be able to do fuck all with them, so his solution was to preemptively excuse it with the realism argument. He just vastly overestimated the tolerance that people have for busywork nowadays. Maybe if he’d done it before Ubisoft spent a decade souring people on it the trick may have worked.
>>746695238Ah, yes, space. The rarely used setting in sci-fi. What a hack.
>>746697271If you just shot at an empty field it would get dull quickly. It's shooting cans and reloading and shit that makes it fun.
>>746697843>You can't have some things be "realistic" and others be blatantly not as such.And yet when I complain about """realistic"'" games allowing your main character to eat 50 bullets to the face while every other enemy insta-dies, people look at me like I'm a freak. Look, I don't want games to be bone-crushingly hard, I just want most bullets to miss, but when they do hit, it's a big deal. Is there anyone else that is bothered by this other than me?
>>746695535kicking balls is fungo kick one and see
>>746695238>"space is inherently boring"basedonly science fantasy makes it tolerable
>>746695238why choose a setting they themselves consider boring?
>>746697965Many shooters already have "realistic" modes that let you do that, it depends on the game and if one hit deaths make the game more challenging or just unplayable. In some cases being tankier than the fodder lends itself to the power fantasy. Having a million empty levels because "space be boring" only lends to making the game boring.
>>746695238Space is only boring if you think too much like a reddit autist about it. Starfield failed because it's not absurd enough. It treats space travel like an Antarctic expedition. But it has no reason to. It's already unrealistic. There's artificial gravity, FTL travel etc. There's no reason to keep the tone of the game subdued and boring in a poor attempt at emulating the feel of modern day NASA government funded space missions.
>>746695238>blank canvas is boring if you don't paint anything on itYou don't say....
>>746695238Because it's made up. On the other hand, God's creation cannot be boring.https://youtu.be/uMl6YcLZ7V0?si=jj3PSdVndSN-17Yxhttps://youtu.be/9cxnRo2IhBk?si=WY1QlaTduSJtD7cWhttps://youtu.be/hGYMbj_0LMQ?si=eK9q-GmCIKy0iwTthttps://youtu.be/THlZbHueP6c?si=OW12z06qjiekHGihhttps://youtu.be/6NIB_n8Y66o?si=2qBXxXLeWYKXBBob
the absolute state of /v/
>>746697524No, they're not. We are instinctively hardwired to find the opposite gender attractive specifically for mating purposes. It's evolutionary and part of our internal biological drive to reproduce and propagate our species. This is why you don't find females of other species "sexy" the same way you do with human females (and if you do, it's because your brain identifies human-like qualities in it that may or may not even be there to begin with). The same goes for any other species.You can't be this dense.
>>746695238the average starfield hater on /v/ has spent more time crying about the game than the 150hrs it took me to 100% the game
>>746698623i honestly believe starfield is ok, i'm just waiting for a youtuber with a british accent to make a 6 hour long video essay about why i should actually play it
I mean it doesn’t even capture the boredom. You can just fast travel anywhere. It's lame design independently of space.
>>746698790>i'm just waiting for a youtuber with a british accent to make a 6 hour long video essay about why i should actually play itThat's never gonna happen because it's been pretty well documented at this point that there's no reason to play the game. I mean I sure as shit tried to enjoy it but I just can't.
>>746695238And yet, people played and enjoyed games like KSP.
>>746698623>150hrsOh brother... New Vegas took me about 60h and after I installed the car mod it got halved. Most of Bethesda games time is wasted in walking. Don't waste your time, it's short.
>>746698623You are 100% correct because I only played the game for 10 hours before I permanently dropped it.
>>746698623I really hate how they made the sun a fucking spotlight
>>746695524Am I stuck... or are they?
>>746695238Xe didn't have to follow the realistic space. It's a fucking game, does xe not have an imagination???
>>746698895and you're crying 3 years later
>space is inherently boringyes. yes it isand the people that shit themselves at this quote always miss the point>b-but what about FANTASY space shityou feed into his point. space has to be fantastical, magical, different, to be funin other words, it needs to be like fantasy, not reality. and reality is boring as fuckspace is just a bunch of nothing
This is literally the worst possible thing he could have said in his own defense. Starfield was a flop because space is so naturally interesting but the game somehow made it boring. Calling an unexplored frontier “inherently boring” is one of the most soulless and retarded comments someone can make, especially someone who claims to be a creative BUT in his defense, “Nasapunk” is extremely unexciting BUT it still could have worked if executed correctly and it’s LITERALLY HIS JOB TO MAKE IDEAS WORK. The passionless designers aside, the writing was also notably horrendous, this was the game that brought us the “Starborn” after all. The sanitized cyberpunk genuinely upset me. Really, every aspect of the game was a failure aside from some of the assets and concept art. They didn’t want to make this game
>>746699072but reality can be comfy
>>746699229>space is so naturally interestingBut it's not
There’s no way an immigration officer simulator set in an Eastern European communist state could be fun, right?
>>746697816The diversity in the game reflects the people who made it
>>746699265>Trillions of planets and galaxies and new worlds>possibly endless>not interesting
>>746699265If you believe this, you are compromised in some way. I mean this with love
>>746695238no, procgen slop and nonstop loading screens are boring. they designed a space game in probably the most boring way imaginable!
>>746695238>Elderscrolls in spaceThe kino that could've been.
Star Trek writers said the same thing. Space? Boring shit! Thats the intro narration I think, idk I dont watch nerd shit
>>746699229>>746699370retarded faggot
>In Starfield, every single animal on planet Earth went extinct and there were absolutely zero attempts at preserving any kind of life, not even taking DNA samples for a future hope at cloning them>Fast forward to the game, not only is cloning an actual thing but there's also BEEF and CHICKEN based food products Starfield has a lot of problems but the thing that genuinely upsets me the most is the sheer retardation the "lore" is in this thing, it makes no sense and they laugh at you for it.
>>746699423Not an argument
>>746699362I am compromised by critical thinking and knowledge. i am not saying you can't make space interesting in a fictional setting. i am saying "our" version of space is a slow, massive empty place that has almost nothing in itthe pop culture programs and nat geo shit you saw on tv as a kid is equivalent to magic and spellcasting
>>746699423sup todd
>>746699437>>746699452retarded faggot
>>746699437Yeah they should have just had Earth be deleted by a singularity or something.>can't live there because its become a no atmosphere desert>right next to it is mars, a no atmosphere desert, where people live
Nasapunk is dead
>>746699490>>746699423retarded faggot
>>746699505The funniest thing I ever saw in that game was that I landed on a random dead moon and there just happen to be a store there while the clerk complained about having no customers. It's just silly.
After watching project hail mary this is fucking bullshit.
>>746699505>>746699576>>746699589retarded faggot
grrrr loading screens*slams fist on desk* LOADING SCREENS???I have to sit here for 1 second?FUCK YOU TODD
I wanted to be a space castaway. I was gonna stop the engine and swim out into space like a baby for an hour.
>>746695238so why set your game there?
>>746695238That is pure cope and he knows it. Space just requires more effort to get right. Every single planet needs to be treated like a POI in Skyrim. Something interesting needs to happen there. And if you can't deliver that you end up with something as boring as Starfield.
>>746699606Anon that was unpromted.What did I >>746699589 do?
>>746695519That's exactly what someone with no imagination or sense of romance would say.
>>746695754>in order to make it interesting and fun, which is what Starfield did.But they haven't done so. They cut out interesting things from space exploration and then diluted rest of it to homeopathic levels. And it was all done in an effort to turn a game into a 10 year long mod selling platform.
>>746696528the funny thing is that warhammer is so specific in its flavor (extremely pessimistic, grim, dark etc) that you could make a setting that comes very close to it and has the same level of craziness, but is more positive and hopeful in themes, and it would feel completely fresh
>makes space interestingHow did they do it?
>>746695754>Is he wrong? if you were to do grounded space, a lot of it would be nothingSo you can delve more into the politics and relationships, or you can use the reality of space to create a sense of inhospitabileness and isolation. You can make it dangerous and hazardous.Instead of turning it into a mindless, barren snoozefest where everything is abstracted away by loading screensThere's always something you can do to make it interesting.
>>746695238Yes, it's boring when you have no imagination.How do these fags survive in the entertainment industry? Starfield just cements that they are all hacks, and if they didn't have the world already premade for them with Fallout and Elder Scrolls, they'd be boring flops too.
>>746695238>is our game shit?>no, it's space itself that sucks
Bethesda bit off more than they could chew.They should have made a mid-sized game that matched their current capabilities.
Space isn't inherently boring. When you look at it as a whole there's nothing more mysterious or interesting in our known universe.However the smaller parts that make up that whole are boring as fuck. There is far more fun to be had in a fantasy setting that's only the size of Rhode Island because that can be densely packed with dragons and magic and shit. The vast ocean of space is neat, but it gets boring as hell when you realize it mostly entails flying through nothing for periods of time just to arrive at yet another barren floating rock. Any fun space setting games aren't actually about space (FTL for example is mostly a ship management game), meanwhile fun fantasy games do heavily incorporate the environment around them.
>>746699676I thought you might actually be able to wander about on a planet and stumble across a remnant of the ancient civ, like whoever made the temples. Even just a small bit of tech somewhere or something. Even without adding aliens, they added something that could have been interesting, like who were they and what happened? And then failed to explore that in any way, even with the DLCs. Even shit like the mars rover, you can't juts find it. You find something that unlocks that landing zone then go there. Its incredible how they made it so not worth looking around the worlds.
>"Keep it stupid bros">"What went wrong?"
>>746695238I want to have him make a dinosaur game and then say, "Dinosaurs are boring."
>>746695238they could've made it not boring by having sentient aliens
2001 is a good movie and almost nothing happens
>>746695238KSP taught me how incredibly interesting an actual space program can bestarfield just sucks ass, even when they completely eschewed realism. saying "space is boring" is just passing the buck on their uninteresting and shit game design
>>746695238no, bethesda games are inherently boring
>>746700427what
>>746700427Heaps of shit happens.What are you even talking about?
bethesda "gamse" are inherently boring
>>746695535Everyone is just tired, anon.
>>746700679>>746700686Describe what happens
>A movie about a space mission that failed and returned without achieving>Fucking awesomeThis is true Nasapunk
>>746695238hes right
>>746700341They still would have made it boring. Face it, aliens are just humans in a costume with some silly background culture that makes conflict and maybe a physiologic quirk (like asexually reproducing) if you're feeling daring.It takes effort to make conflict between sentient beings interesting, and they just admitted it's too hard for them. I mean, the factions are: space cops, space corpos, space cowboys and space bandits. Making them elves/twileks/krogans wouldn't make the garbage they wrote any more interesting.
>>746695238>saar there is no bbc porn in the void saar
>>746700831retarded faggot
90% of shartfield does not take place in space. Well, most of it takes place in a loading screen, but the majority of gameplay takes place on planets. Boring, ugly, empty planets.Daggerfall was good, procgen isn't the issue, the issue is that starfield is one of the least artistically inspired games I have ever played. The whole 'le soul/soulless' thing is way, way overused here, but starfield genuinely is a game with no soul. It's such a nothing setting.
>>746697524Women are inherently boring, you have to extract fun out of them by having sex and getting them all giggly
>>746697430No shit, that's the point of guns which is what makes them fun. Either I'm too high right now or you are what the fuck is this post.
>>746696223They failed on all accounts, as none of the people you find are interesting, the places are often barren and repeated, and the science is practically non-existent.
>>746695238This is wrong because "accurate to real life" is not a metric of quality for a video game. Fucking Ocarina of Time, Mario Galaxy 2, GTA Vice City etc, are not some of the best games of all time because they were the closest to real life at the time of release.If you create the strongest motorcycle engine of all time, but it's so strong that it fucking bucks you off, every time you try to accelerate even a little, then you have not made "a good game, but that much power is inherently problematic" you have in fact made: A shitty unridable motorcycle. Bethesda has in fact made: a shitty fucking video game. And lets be real: The fact that every non main city planet is a procedurally generated boring fucking rock, making these parts of the game boring as shit, is far from the only problem this game has. It's not like if you made space exploration exciting, then you'd have a good game on your hands. The game has a laundry list of issues, (and I'm not talking about bugs and glitches). Space being fucking boring is just the most obvious for the "normie" crowd that's not into media analysis. Stuff that the kind of people who say: "Star Trek Picard season 3 was really good, actually" will notice.
>>746700971>>746701135retarded faggot
the Design Director is responsible for all of the bad design choices.
>>746699881>Yes, it's boring when you have no imagination.I mean if the quote is the dude I'm thinking about then his point is: "Exploring planets is empty and boring, because real planets are empty and boring. That's what it would be like being an astronaut in real life". And he's technically correct, that in real life most planets you can land on are barren landscapes devoid of anything. But YOU are correct that for a video game you are supposed to use your fucking imagination and PUT STUFF THERE.
>>746701151You sound like a butthurt former Bethesda "dev".
>>746701237retarded faggot
>>746701267I'm glad you agree with me!
>>746695238>space is inherently boringOnly if space takes place in a boring setting, like Starfield.
>>746699859wouldn't that just be the end of the eternal war?
>>746695238He isn't wrong. Space is boring. It's literally a massive expanse of NOTHING.Likewise, barren planets are also boring, because they have nothing on them.The only way to make a space game entertaining is to not focus on the boring shit and instead focus on stuff like the characters, writing and what is happening. Which are all things Bethesda is notoriously bad at.Starfield is shit because Bethesda picked a shit setting that they simply don't have the skill to make good.
>>746701306your boring
>>746701072My point is you can boil any simple concept down to being inherently boring. It's what you do with them that makes them fun. Just having a gun isn't fun. Getting to shoot shit with it makes them fun. Just like this Starfield cope saying space is boring when they refuse to admit they are creatively bankrupt. There's literally hundreds of games that make space both fun and interesting, even some more modern games are using the concept of space way better than Starfield ever did.
>>746695535>Inherently boring>GunsI shot a real gun exactly once in my life, and it was fucking great. Adrenaline was pouring from my ears. Everyone else who did that had the same experience. Guns are inherently fun.
>>746697430Wrong again. Even holding them feels good.
The photo from the OP's image looks like alwayshasbeen meme
>>746701306
>>746695238space isn't really a setting, i think that's the problem
>>746695238>Starfield is a good gameAlready wrong at 5 words in. Fantastic.
>>746697816words words wordschuds can't meme
>>746695238>space is inherently boringTHEN MAKE IT INTERESTING YOU FUCKING MONGOLOID!What the fuck is wrong with modern game designers?
>>746695424They're right but they also chose the setting. They could have made an elder scrolls space exploration game or even a fallout space game. Instead they hand crafted the most boring space setting ever.
>>746699229the worst thing anyone can say about their work that failed is try to defend the failure by saying the failure was somehow inevitable. even if the failure was somehow unavoidable, the only winning move is to pretty much stay quiet about it and let the work speak for itself.
>>746700743>ape tribe struggles to survive against rival ape tribe.>discover a monolith>learn to use weapons>become dominant tribe.>humans have mastered space travel>discover a monolith buried on the moon.>emits a loud signal>suddenly a new signal coming from Jupiter.>humans travel to Jupiter with advanced AI pilot>AI becomes delusional>humans plot to turn it off, but AI overhears.>AI ejects humans into space>one survives by sheer willpower, knowledge, and luck.>turns off the AI>arrive at Jupiter>large monolith visible>ship is suddenly taken in by vortex/wormhole>see bizarre alien landscapes and visuals beyond comprehension>arrive at alien imitation of a human home>grow old>monolith appears>touch it>become star child
>space is inherently boringTruth nuke
>>746695238Mass effect and star slop isn't
>>746702265true color looks like a space demon sitting and praying on a space rock, but false color looks like an illustration out of a children's book
>>746696695Based
>>746702529i'm sure everyone understands by now that you are a retarded faggot, no need to repeat it
>>746702625retarded faggot
>>746697524>Women aren't inherently sexyHave you seen the average woman in the big 26?
>>746698948You are, your planet is lifeless for a reason.
>>746695238What kind of retarded narcissist do you have to be to get a job at bugthesda? It’s like they only hire people who eat their own shit. Like you made a shit game, admit it and get the fuck over it.
>>746695238Odd how every other game set in space is fun.
>>746695238This is just cope from bad devs, who know they made a bad, unappealing game nobody wants. A game nobody wanted. They have to justify why 5-10 years of their life/professional resume was spent on making bad and boring flops.They're more than welcome to rip-off things like Freelancer. Or introduce more fantasy stuff in space if they wanted to make it easier. But they choose to make the most milquetoast thing possible. Out of what appears to be a fear of offending anyone, or standing out. Not living up to their potential to dream of something more, than their innate desire to punch in and out of work on time.Where's my Hyperion game at?
space in Mass Effect wasn't boring
>>746695238>Giant inhospitable deserts with no features other than sand and rocks are inherently boring.
What is even the conflict in Starfield? I hear nobody talk about the story. The writing I have seen makes the cast and plot to Fallout 3 look like a masterclass of fiction. It was that bland.Usually with projects like these, there's something to take away from the concept phase. Something 'cool' or novel that helped convinced execs to throw money at it.But this whole thing just feels like the boardroom declared, "WE MUST ALSO SECURE THE SCI-FI AUDIENCE." From moguls who thought they would gain total market control on all game sales, with the Veilguard release monopolizing fantasy in California.
>>746702312Imagine liking that slop, you fucking pig. Eat it up, eat up Todd's failed feces, you animal
>>746699606we don't sign our posts here
>>746695535>Guns. Running and jumping. Strategic planning. Slot machines. Kicking a balldid you think for a second before making this post?
>>746695238How could a game developer no figure out how to make a game fun in any setting? people play fucking tractor simulator and these retards couldn't figure out how to make spaceships fun?
>>746703943Immediately? A Starborn called "The Hunter" or something was trying to take the artifacts from you and he was the one who kills your Constellation companion (oh no no no there's so much blood)the politics of it are so half-baked and shit that there's not really any other conflict. The Space UN and the Space Cowboys had a big cool war but it happened in the past and yes that would've been a MUCH COOLER IDEA than dragonborn but blame Emil for deciding Starfield should be "Skyrim in Space" even down to the dragonshouts.there were also crazy space-snake worshipers but idk anything about them i didn't play that expansion. it was probably just as flavorless as the base game was
>>746695238Genuinely: If you think this and you are part of a dev team making a fun space game you should be fired into the sun. >But space really IS mostly empty and boring.Star Control 2 is almost 3 decades old and it had a mostly empty galaxy. Yet, somehow, it still made it work.
>>746699404To be fair, the original Star Trek show was fucking wild. Every planet was batshit insanity inhabited by uber powerful deities, evil ai, or both.
>>746702265Did space "scientists" ever explain where the big uniform lighting is coming from at that scale? Who's holding the lamp?
>>746695238>decidetomake game about space open world sandbox>go with trends and make your world 'hyperrealistic>no curious stuff,minimal flora and fauna, even if the game is about later stage human space exploration>rocksrocks dirt horrible human bethesda npcs>well our game is boringBethesda devs shoyld be put into gas chamber
>>746695238Space isn't boring the game they made is bad simple as.
>>746695238I don't know what you do in starfield, but you can do so much with space, alien worlds, ancient abandoned ships, exploring asteroid fields, space battles, destroyed civilizations etc. even if you just want to be a fantasy game designer you can treat other planets, dead ships or meteoroid as dungeons. It's actually insane to think you couldn't make a fun game in space.
>>746696297Even exploring the internet is dying in this day and age.
>>746704717>no curious stuff,minimal flora and fauna, even if the game is about later stage human space exploration>rocksrocks dirt horrible human bethesda npcsThis. Even within the tone and level of realism they set for themselves, it could have been a thousand times more interesting just with some effort.Nobody forced them to make the planets boring/lazy as fuck.
>>746695238Nasapunk is boring. Not space.
>AC Shadows is a good game. But Sengoku-era Japan is inherently boring
>>746695238> make space game > dont do any of the fun sci fi shit, like hot alien bitches> cities are boring modern inspired ones or cowboys ones with no charm > why is this boring?
starfield is goodhttps://youtu.be/wLSNxyRhCLY
>>746703746I wouldn't call it super boring. But does go to show just how far you can take tribal desert nomad wanking. Arrakis is 99% desolate. But it has movies. It has extended lore. It has a variety of video games, fan-made spinoffs, and porn. All of it based around this largely empty, arid ass planet with natives that fetishize water. A place that would otherwise be infinitely tedious, and awful to be stranded on.It's a testament to what you can do, taking a simple core and absolutely running with it. Fleshing it out.Starfield couldn't even do that.
>>746703746>space muslims killing everyone around them and living in squalorunintentionally based move on herbert's part
>>746695238Didn't people spend like $1 billion to play an eternal broken alpha of flying around in space with Star Citizen?
Since they wanted to make a game about hard sci-fi space exploration, they should have put some fucking science in it. Make Constellation a group of scientists, get some people with science background to write dialogue for them, make a bunch of quests relating to figuring out shit about planets and aliens with science, shit like that. Instead the game is about you roaming the galaxy massacring entire colonies of 'bandits', as that is what you mostly do in it.
>>746695929The fact you don't need to worry about fuel and travel is just a loading screen simulator is entirely Todd's fault. They were overcorrecting from people not liking the settlements in F4 which also happened to be the only good part of the game, but they had to make it entirely optional and useless because Bethesda always tries to make games that have the broadest audience possible
>>746695238thats why you need to make it intresting you encephalite
>>746695238Why are you even a game designer if you don't want to turn it into a fucking game?
>>746699265Space travel is inherently extremely dangerous. Even with FTL, they could have leaned in to that. They chose to make the game a loading screen simulator.
>>746705016To be fair, Dune paces itself pretty well. Even if you don't care that much about the lore the story moves quickly enough that you don't feel like you are stuck in Sand Namek.
>>746704893Thats because fun, exiting and intresting worlds needs much more work and brain to devise.Some people arent fans of colorful space operas but theres always some kind of room when it come to this stuff, some kind of golden rule.Hard scifi is shining when its done in early spacefaring age, think our solar system.When it comes to later stages biotech, ai, robot, nanotech willbprobably allow/force us to go transhuman. And what bethesda do? Make npcs thata literalylifted of some kirgistan village.Give us aliums withdifferent factions, cultures, goals. Give us a spaceship and a crew to complete a merc group. Make some stakes ansd story that will happen and that we can change or exploit.Devs are creativly bunkrupt because at certain age you usualy stop being as creative, the single exception are good-great artists, which we all can agree that bethesda devs arent.
>Gollum is a good game. But Middle-earth is inherently boring
>Oblivion with space guns and you instance around a lotIt could be worse but I don't know why they expected this to be a hit
>>746698020Just kicked ball. Did not have fun. Must be too white to be entranced by putting a foot to a ball.
>>746695238>space is inherently boringTRVKE
>>746697624Good riddance!
>>746705357It's because the design mentality they had since Oblivion backfired horribly. Space is defined by it's limitations. I already hated how safe and boring fast travel made the world, but space travel itself is inherently fraught with peril and ignoring that is shooting yourself in the foot.
>>746695238>space is inherently boring
>>746705445Ironically if they had made Space Daggerfall it actually could have work.
>>746695238That's why all those gamerdad whales donated millions to Star Citizen, because space is boring and holds no promise
>>746699329>Starfield is bad because the digital food is too spicy
>>746695535>anon wants to make a point and epicly own someone>they end up saying some completely retarded shitMANY SUCH CASES!
>>746697796isnt much of that dependent on the american political influence? Combat, story, tone, and companions are all squarly inside the splash zone of the wild ride that is whatever the fuck america and israel has going on.
>>746705769The biggest problem is mostly that they can't really move away from modern American politics. That's not a inherent problem, see Sid Meier Alpha Centauri and like half of Star Trek if we are being honest, but they also lack any wit or willingness to actually try and say something.
>>746695238>modern devs can't figure out how to make space funwew
>>746705206>Bethesda always tries to make games that have the broadest audience possibleWhich is why the series hasn't been good since Morrowind
>>746695238It really isn't.Itemization = shitcombat = shitskills/perks = shitquests = shitworld building = shitquests = shitdialogue/NPCs = shitsoundtrack = shit
>>746705912The only place you can (occasionally) find constructive feedback on the internet nowadays is 4cuck, so Bethesda's never going to get this.
>>746695238Well, it probably is if you use generative technology to randomize the worlds instead of creating them with some sort of intent. Like you could literally make anything as long as you respect the laws of physics. All kinds of worlds, all kinds of creatures or civilizations, all kinds of genres... that´s like the opposite of boring.
>>746695238Human imagination is inherently boring. There could be so many cool things in space, but everything human could come up with a boring combinations of things that already exist.
>>746706523Limited by reality doesn't mean boring.Do you play video games? Do you even like them?
>>746706492>Well, it probably is if you use generative technology to randomize the worlds instead of creating them with some sort of intent.Genuinely the best approach is to artificially generate a lot of worlds to hide the actual content and make that part of the general challenge of the game. Space is really big and a lot of planets aren't going to contain much more than a bunch of minerals to mine, but that doesn't mean there isn't exciting stuff to find.Again, Star Control 2 did this amazingly literally decades ago. All they had to do was copy that general structure.
>>746695238Then why oh why didn't they make a real sci-fi game? star wars, at least the good stuff, isn't boring. dune isn't boring. 40k isn't boring. Bethesda is such a weird company
>>746699072EVERY setting has to be fantastical to be fun:- space without fantasy is just failing to land on dead rocks (and IF you finally succeed gathering dirt to analyzed over the next 10 years)- medieval setting without fantasy is just getting stabbed once and then dying of disease (and IF you succeed you get home to the sweet smell of poop streets and your cheating wife's hemlock brew)- modern warfare setting is hundreds of hours of being bored in desert heat until you get blown up by random IED (and IF you succeed you get home to the sweet smell of PTSD therapy and your wife's new boyfriend)Everything can be shit if you go full simtroon. If you don't, you need a dash of fantasy. Usually aliens for space-based sci-fi, magic / monsters for medieval, and quirky guns / gadgets for modern settings. Saying "space is inherently boring" makes it sound like space settings are odd ones out in terms of how inherently boring they are. They're not.
This site might be actually 80% subhumans when I see a bunch of retards agreeing with this it is unironically over.I seriously think you are not even human anymore when you cant think about what you can do in a space setting creatively, because you can literally do ANYTHING on it. Any monster design can fit and do anything you want it to, even gravity is changeable man how are these people in bethesda not considered as brain dead as biden? mario galaxy didnt even have guns and its more fun than anything any bethesdaslop made on earth had too, these hack ""devs"" should all be fired
>>746706713>Do you play video games? I used to.>Do you even like them?I used to.
>>746708294Okay anon. Hopefully you can recapture your enjoyment in future.
>>746708218here king, you dropped the>misunderstood the point on purpose so he can write a shitty argument award
>>746707958>Everything can be shit if you go full simtroonYou can't equate fucking space travel with swords and guns. You're fucking mental. Obviously every setting requires some suspension of disbelief but THE POINT IS to make space work as a fun setting, you need to cut out a lot out of it, and you need to insert a lot of fantasy IN
>>746704512If anything the snake cult got even more retarded after the dlc>uh maybe they're like talking to the snake or have some revelations after huffing their tree, their top people at least>no the entire thing they killed millions over and will kill millions more is in its entirety based on a single bad trip one single long dead dude had hundreds of years ago and absolutely nothing else ever since>and the real reason for the crusade was him getting really mad at people who didn't buy into his nonsense and kept lmaoing at him
I agree that space can be boring it is why astronauts brought golf clubs to the moon.Bethesda had full control on how to make their space game and they choose the lamest option possible by giving you vast empty wastelands and no alien races
>>746699341Too far away and physically impossible to reach
>>746705438kek
The only kind of realistic sim Bioware can make is a Boring Simulator 202X. HAH.
>>746695238all the factions seemed extremely irritating in that corporate safety way.
>>746695238Would've been great if the game actually HAD alien civs.
Bethesda intentionally made the majority of worlds empty shitholes, because they believed their userbase would mod the game like crazy, and use that empty canvas to make a universe of stories.
>>746695238You know for a fact that retards like him don't even play video games for him to say that. As someone who has put hundreds nay thousands of hours into No man sky I can tell you he is in fact full of shit.
>>746695238Remember that Todd said Starfield started being fun only a year before release, they got the development completely backwards from the start.
>>746695929>The game could've been amazing. Microsoft fucked itNope. Starfield was doomed at the planning stage with Bethesda removing one thing they arguably do well - the world to traverse. No amount of work can make Starfield a good game (as made by Bethesda).
>>746702867nta but starfield has relatively cheap and easy FTL travel, you are not stuck and flying back home to see them is fairly easy.
>>746697620Just play No Man Sky. It's a much better game.
>>746695238>Starfield developer says space is inherently boringspace is the ultimate empty sandbox for the imaginative story teller it can have anything and everything to call it boring is to call your own imagination badfire these people and replace them with schizo's
>>746695424neighbody cared who I saa until I put on the mask
>starfield: is a good game>internet: starfield is bad actuallyit's fun, you dorks
>>746697816Starfield is shit because modern Bethesda is lazy, have no real ambition and seem completely unaware of why people used to like their games
>>746695238Yeah i guess why all the movies, vidya, and tv about space are just so inherently boringOH WAIT
>>746705453Ah yes, whites are famously known for never engaging in sports about kicking balls
>>746696528>crazy shitbut they made shit decision to make it grounded and realistic
>>746713614Everything it does, Bethesda did far better in its previous games. Except for the physics, which are genuinely good. The ship building is also fun
>>746713871You could do fun shit with a 'grounded' space gameYou would need a vision, and probably have gameplay surrounding needing to survive the infinite vacuum of spaceManaging O2, atmospheric pressure, avoiding dying from being burns or freezing to death, etc, radiation, flying space junk, etc. Every gunshot wound could be a death sentenceIt would be super autistic but it's more interesting than treating space like a fucking bouncy castle.
>>746695238Christ alive. I found someone even less creative than me.Space is the ultimate playground as far as settings go. You can wedge in damn near anything you want and no one will ever be able to say "that wouldn't make sense" because no one can hop into a ship and prove you wrong.Fuck modern day western devs.
>>746713449>NMS>better>Has no suns>Planets have no orbits or rotations>"planets" are so small you can walk around them in less than 5 minutes, making them smaller than asteroids>ship customization is far more limited than Starfield's>Has all the same issues Starfield does with finding the same repeated shit over and over, but because its on the "LE SEAMLESS!" meme it has none of the large dungeons to explore like Starfield does>Has even less world building than Starfiled doesNMS is trash, even compared to Starfield.
It's not "space" it's the retarded era of their star-trek lite "space" that they picked. "space" is boring when you purposefully engineer it to be boring
>>746695535What happened is that the tech boom of the 2010's gave a bunch of drop-out te hies who couldn't make it into silicon valley who then invaded gaming
>>746695238Space wasn't boring in Outer Wilds.Maybe it's a skill issue if one can't make space interesting.
>>746695535Too much money too quickly. I was there when the 360,PS3, and especially the Wii bring in the MASSES of people to gaming. It has never been the same since. We need another gaming crash.
>>746695238>space is inherently bo-
Shows an immense corporate blandness that's likely only going to get worse as more absorbed in Microsoft.
>>746703648Mass Effect also made no real attempt to simulate space. You could've tossed every single "planet" you visit in Mass effect onto one world and the game wouldn't have been fundamentally different since space is a non factor in Mass Effect.
>>746697730Well. What would be a "woman" in this context. The moniker itself implies a form. This is why trannies are abominations if they don't pass.
>>746713614you can be entertained by whatever you want, nobody is stopping you. Just don't pretend like anybody actually gives a shit about this flaccid piece of junk
>>746714315At least in the white guilt liberal Star Trek space they'd have a cool alien or a hot chick every once in a while.
>>746698141This video looks weird but it's propellant dispersing in a near vacuum illuminated by the sun that you can't see due to the curve of the planet you're standing on. Earth is blocking the sun from your perspective but from that height the sun illuminates the rocket and propellant cloud quite well. Each of those ripples is the booster shooting out propellant to adjust course so that it can safely land on the barge and be re-used. The barge landing and re-use process is a cost reduction strategy.
>>746713952starfield's gunplay, persuasion system and character/background creator are all the best BGS has ever done. it's also got some of the best space piracy mechanics on the market - disabling an enemy ship, boarding it and clearing it room-by-room in zero-G is something starfield does better than virtually any other game
>>746699437>Fast forward to the game, not only is cloning an actual thing but there's also BEEF and CHICKEN based food products All of those are imitation products, not the real thing.
>>746695238He's not wrong that open space is fucking boring, but it doesn't excuse the game at all. It's obvious that space is boring, and a game specifically about traveling through space is retarded. NMS is still shit no matter how they much they fix and build upon it, because generic space is not fucking fun. Every scifi story with a scale beyond Earth and a focus on space travel takes enormous effort to make the new settings interesting and relevant, it takes a ton of writing and development to make the audience want to care. You can't just auto generate garbage and expect the audience to make its own fun out of that garbage, and mods cannot make up for the lack of writing and worldbuilding.
What I'm surprised about is that China hasn't made a three-kingdoms in space game yet or plans to. Would be a perfect RTS or they could go ambitious and make an actually playable star citizen clone
>>746714752What's special about its persuasion system?
>>746714752if that's the best that BGS has ever done then i hope M$ throws them in the woodchipper.
>>746713449sorry, but your inventory is full
space engine is more fun than starfield and it's not even a game
>>746695929> the most infamous nightclub on the dirtiest, most degenerate planet known to mankind looks like a kids 10th birthday party.-The Astral Lounge is a Lounge, not a nightclub.-The Astral Lounge is also not infamous, its rather well regarded as a high class establishment-The outer ring of Neon is a shithole. Its repeatedly mentioned in the inner core is heavily policed and rather safe
>>746715013the best part about starfield is the ship builder.
>>746714675That's some next level mental gymnastics.Romans 1:22-25 KJVProfessing themselves to be wise, they became fools,And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
>>746695238So just make it interesting?
>>746714674>the white guilt liberal Star Trek spaceHolly buzzwords batman!
>>746715070>Astral Lounge is a Lounge, not a nightclub.With dancers on platforms. You been doing yoga? Pilates? Or is just basic gymnastics enough to bend over backwards like that?
>>746701594After my conscription I was sick and tired of my rifle. Shooting it was ok but we didn't get to do that too much. Too busy marching in formation or setting up and packing up camps in forest for few weeks with sleep deprivation. It really isn't that great when it is forced upon you.
>>746699873By making it non-space, essentially. Space is vast and empty while Outer Wilds's world is small and dense.
>>746715181>With dancers on platforms.You are aware that Lounges can have dancers also?
Wake me up when I can play this in VR (no VorpX cope or anything similar)
>>746714929it is more in-depth than a simple skill check and turns it into a legit mini-game. also, the stuff you say actually matters beyond the chance to succeed - threatening someone with something specifically relevant to their situation has a higher chance to succeed. it all works together to feel more natural and like you're actually talking people into things rather than just instantly jedi mind-tricking them
>>746715079This is a thread about the bideo gaym Starfield
>>746697430No, the tech behind guns is pretty fascinating by itself.
>>746700971>most of it takes place in a loading screen
>>746695238if space is inherently boring then it can't possibly be a good game, now can it
>>746696695holy sovl
>>746695238Won't ANYONE touch the 1:1 scale galaxy formula of Elite Dangerous
>>746695238>Star Citizen killer>Did not kill Star Citizen Huh?
Space is boring because millenial devs are incapable of imagining something that isn't muh chungus science realismslop.Space game set in 60s coloful spacepunk with barbarians, fantasy and cosmic horror elements would be pure kino.
>>746699072I was waiting for the cat to flip me off and dance bailando. Highly disappointed, anon.
>>746695238Not at all surprised someone responsible for the shitheap that is Starfield would hold that opinion.
>>746715382It was never advertises as a Scam Citizen killer>>746715354Because that game is often considered even MORE boring and empty than Starfield is.
>>746715234Prove it. A regular fucking jazz lounge with dancers on platforms. Link now.
>>746695424In their defense (lol lmao), they went for "nasapunk" space "realism" and real space is mostly empty space with everything absolutely fucking far away.
>>746695524You're not white are you
>>746715438>Space is boring because millenial devs are incapable of imagining something that isn't muh chungus science realismslop.Ironic because Emil also thinks that sci-fi worlds don't need logic or consistency
>>746704959>Sengoku-era Japan is inherently boringI know this is a joke but even actual retard would never say that
>>746715382You can't "kill" a scam>>746715438Too many devs are obsessed with the "realism" of space not realizing that games set in space basically hand-wave realism away. Elite dangerous, probably the most "realistic" space game avaliable, has real distances between stars, but just gives you space magic tech to jump to them anyway
>>746715624Emil didn't even make up, design, or implement, most of the worlds.
>>746715709You can make it extremely boring if you are like the starfeild devs. Imagine a game that takes place entirely within the royal court of the emperor and you do nothing while all the fun shit happens elsewhere
>>746695238>same caliber as falloutThat's retarded. It's like saying "walking around in a pile of rubble is inherently boring". Yeah, that's why they made it interesting with all the factions and an imagined fictional setting where the transistor was never invented. Make up something that makes it interesting. Of course there's no point in trying to explain this to Shithesda since they didn't actually come up with any of the stuff that made Fallout an interesting setting.
>>746702265isn't 99% of space just a black void with some dots here and there?
>>746715709It is boring comparing to any chink era though. Japan has always been a backward island village in the past.
>>74671596799.99999999% more like.
>>746709581>the snake cult got even more retarded after the dlcthey should've recognised them being a secret is half the appeal and that they are too shit of the writers to pull off writing them well
>>746695424Poor dog is sick
Starfield just makes you do a shitload of work to go do anything interesting.That's why Mass Effect ditched the fuckass Mako after the first game and you just land at places of interest and explore small areas.Skyrim had a medium density but at least didn't make traversal completely miserable despite your options basically being on foot and horse so there was decent pacing and downtime between traveling and dungeons/towns/combat encounters, Fallout 4 had insanely high content density.Maybe space is just cursed. Starfield has the Bethesda systemic autism but shitloads of dead space so there's nothing interesting going on. Outer Worlds is dense but boring.At least for now you can take solace that Skyrim 2 and Fallout whatever the fuck will not have you fucking around between different planets. Probably.
>>746713449Based and seanpilled
>>746715583The nasapunk shit really only dictated the aesthetics for the technology. They didn't have to go out of their way to procedurally generate thousands of planets with nothing instead of hand crafting a few interesting planets.
>>746716205>They didn't have to go out of their way to procedurally generate thousands of planets with nothing instead of hand crafting a few interesting planets.this would've also completely missed the point to such a large degree its basically a non argument.
>>746715182he said guns are fun, he didnt say "being in the army" was fun ya fuckin jarhead
>>746714296>"planets" are so small you can walk around them in less than 5 minutes, making them smaller than asteroidsyou literally didn't play the game, choke on a dick
>>746714752>persuasion systemisn't that just a rehash of Oblivion thing?
>>746713449Walking simulator.
>>746714994>sorry, but your inventory is fullof FUN!Fucking Useless Nonsense
>>746695238>>746695424Is he wrong tho?Space realism is kinda boring.One laser weapon is the same as 100 other laser weapon.Fighting monsters, witches, hags, crazy foids, having blades, claymores, axes, armor, spells, potions is just a lot more exciting than space games. They always look the same. Futuristic slop.He is right, space is boring, but they failed as game designers.
>>746695238>I'm gonna make a shit sandwich!>bro, why are you making a shit sandwich? it's gonna taste like shit>well duh, it's a shit sandwich, it's supposed to taste like shit!
Why look up at the night sky cuh! They ain't nothin they cuh!
>>746716570Yes, he's objectively wrong. Boring people find things boring. I loved Hardspace Shipbreaker, I loved Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight. Hard or soft, you can make space fun, HE can't because HE is a boring person.
>brown people keep seething at starfield incessantly the same way they seethe at white peoplenooticing
>>746716735>I loved Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight.Which makes no attempt to simulate actual space.
>>746716140>Maybe space is just cursedIt is when you're trying to make it realistic. The best space games are games that fake the setting to be unlike real space like Mass Effect or Outer Wilds.
>>746695238and what's stopping them from making it otherwise?fly in space>encounters vs other factions and ships>salvage missions>finding curiosities in space, or even mystical phenomenon that cannot be explainedfind planets>planets can be practically anything - from barren to stone age to futuristic>literally nothing preventing them from making an entire planet with a "post apocalypse" setting, meaning it could be fallout in space>could have lush alien forests tooand I only listed like a few things, yet those could've>>746695535>You know what's also inherently boring? GunsYou've never fired a weapon have you? even archery is fun, but firearms are extra fun, especially if they have a kick and can cause some damage like shotguns.When I was in military training, they only let me try a shotgun once and it was one of the most satisfying things I've ever doneAncient alchemists with their fireworks and bombs must've felt the same way, and probably thought of it as pure magic
>>746713952>Bethesda did far better in its previous gamesexcept writing, and world building, and quest design, and combat, and artstyle, and setting
>>746716735His basic statement might be wrong but it's not hard to imagine that what meant was right. If you're assigned a task to make some sub-part of the game fun and the overall concept is lame, it'll be a tough job.
>yfw you realize, somewhere there is a middle aged man in his van parked next to free wifi service, begging starfield fans to care about NMS, day after day
>>746716679you forgot>why people don't want to buy my shit sandwich?!!!
>>746716836>fly in space>encounters vs other factions and ships>salvage missions>finding curiosities in space, or even mystical phenomenon that cannot be explainedAll of this exists in Starfield as is.>could have lush alien forests tooThis also exists in Starfield.
>>746716834There is no such thing as realistic space science fiction, Starfield is like Jules Verne's vision of the future (complete bullshit)
>>746715262Which is about space.
>>746716952>middle aged manTodd is a bit older than middle aged.
>>746714296It's so obvious you never played the game. There's an infinite number of planets in 256 Galaxies to explore. They are randomly generated but unlike Starfield they are fun to be at because the game isn't trying to be a realistic space sim. Starfield is neither realistic or fantasy. It's bland corpo slop.
>day after day, the NMSfag keeps seeing bumplimit starfield threads>he has to enter them, BEGGING for starfieldchads to care, so that he would have at least 1 OTHER PERSON to talk to about his brokie game
>>746716735>Dark Forces II: Jedi KnightLiteral space fantasy. LOL
>create setting with interstellar war with mechs versus bioweapons and space pirates as a wildcard faction>place game two decades after thisspace isn't boring, bethesda is just retarded
>>746717063>PLEASE.. STARFIELD CHAD PLEASE JUST COME TALK WITH ME ABOUT NMS PLEASE MAN.... PLEASE!!
>>746717098>>746716952rent free
>>746716447no, not even close
>>746717063NMS planets are the same boring shit because, despite their "non realism" they're mostly empty trash with the same repeated shit, but less detailed/large as Starfield, and since EVERYTHING is proc gen, there is even less world building and possibly cool concepts like aliens are wasted since there is no sense of territory, empires, or anything to make them feel part of the universe.
>>746717195>NMSfag keeps LITERALLY REPLYING TO INDIVIDUAL POSTERS begging for them to care>"r-r-r--rent free!"
>>746717235NMS is basically Minecraft in Space. End game is about Base/Ship Building and finding the right home to chill at. But it's a fun game to put thousands of hours in.
>>746717235I still feel raped looking at the beta art style and creature AI
>>746695238>designer says his design is good, actuallyThis is why only autistics should be the people working on any/all entertainment. Once their ego is checked, they produce gold after gold. The kinds of people that follow workplace hierarchy enough to get good positions inherently don't possess the ability to be unhappy with eating shit and dishing it out, it's in their nature to tell you what to enjoy.
>>746717235based STARCHAD, giving the starving NMSfag pity (You)s so he can at least get thru the week, because STARCHADS are decent human beings
>>746717294>Starcuck mad NMSChads are having fun while his game is a jokeKek
>>746713263>releasing a full-price unfinished game with the intention of players finishing it for youThe absolute height of arrogance.
>>746716952>>746717098>>746717178Saying "this guy is a loser because he really likes a game" while all you do is complain about games you probably didn't play just makes you look like the miserable loser between the two of you, speaking as an outside observer.
>>746717438>NMSChads>[...]Chads>[...]she really thinks he has managed to recruit even 1 other person to care about his ancient indie flop game LMFAOO
>>746696641Rip bonus.com and flash. Acid-play is still around though.
>>746695238>"It's not our fault the setting is boring," said the people who chose and had full control over the setting.
>nobody engages the NMSfag>NMSfag finally gave up and started pretending to be multiple peopleright on cue
>>746717235>less detailed/large as StarfielddelusionalI'll admit NMS planets aren't super interesting and they do get same'y quite fast, but they are miles better than Starfield's, even ignoring the fact that Starfield doesn't actually have planets you can traverse, just 5 sqaure miles randomly generated maps. You can't circumvent a planet in Starfield, in No Man's Sky you can (but doing it on the surface of the planet would take a lot of time)
>he started to dual-reply to old posts in the thread"PPLEEEEEEEEEEEEASE.. ANYONE... PLEASE TALK ABOUT 10 YEAR OLD DEAD INDIEGAME STARCHADS!!!"this thread is getting archived
>>746717779Being able to traverse an entire planet in NMS is one of the reasons it sucks. I want a space sim, and part of that is a decent simulation. One does no traverse an entire planet on foot, or in a small buggy. If they planet is so small that you can do that, it sucks. NMS is a space sim game without any simulation-No actual suns-No planet orbit-Planets aren't scaled even halfway believably-Solar systems are so packed together that planets would fall into each other's grav wellsIts a space sim for babies. Its the jangling, plastic, keys, for infants, of space sims. Elite Dangerous is better.
NMS is a much better game than Shartfield. Saarfield is already dead, forgotten and abandoned by everyone, while NMS still gets some attention.
>the only posts on the entire website about N*S are posted in starfield threads>this guy literally has "starfield" highlighted in the catalog so he can try to beg for starchads attention
>>746695238Cope. And even if it were boring then why would they make a game set in it?
>>746716817>>746717168Read the next sentence you morons. Hard or soft. My point was that you can make good scifi as hard or soft, as realistic or fantastical, and still make it fun if you're not a boring loaer. It was an intentional comparison.>>746716865That's true of any piece of entertainment, regardless of genre or setting.
>>746716952>>746717178>>746717431>>746718038>>746717098>>746717294>>746717601>>746717697>>746717921what sort of mental illness is this?
>>746718019100% NMS is just fun.
>>746717682NPC>>746718124free-thinker
>>746695754>if you were to do grounded spaceThat why you don't, you do something like outlaw star, space dandy, star wars or guardian of the galaxie, you put meme funny tech, space regarded magic, thousands of retarded aliens race...
>>746695238>Sorry George Lucas but this, Battle of Galaxies? doesn't seems like a fun or interesting idea
>>746695238>space is inherently boringTrue, always was. always will be.
>N*Sfag starts to samefag>...but ALL his posts have the same tinge of ESL
>>746717168starfield has magic in it
>>746717961>If they planet is so small that you can do that, it sucks.Dude even with the fastest land vehicle it would take literal hours riding constantly in one direction. I assure you this is not an issue.
>>746718170being indian
>>746695238Fucking troons man
>>746717502Every time one of their games launched, you'd have people experiencing issues, and the immediate response was always>mods will fix itand you'd have these massive unofficial patches that picked up the slack, fixing a ton of fucked up shit that Bethesda never got around to addressingAfter a time, they began to buy into the hype, but didn't observe the diminishing modding base over the years, and now we're at the point where nobody WANTS to mod this shit, and we're just left with an unfinished product
>>746697524Correct, women don't know how to be sexy and it's gotten unbearable by now.
>>746704668You lack volumetric imagination. The lighting isn't uniform. The image is a processed render of light sources over a period of months and what you see are the captured lights of various distances and occlusions.
>>746695238There are more aliens and space travel in fallout 3 than in starfield.Let that sink in for a moment.
>>746718170A water supply contaminated with human feces.
>>746716570>Space realism is kinda boring.Realism is boring in video games most of times. They shouldn't try to do it and especially they shouldn't blame it for their failure
>ESL post1 "discussing" N*S with some inane issue*10min+ later*>ESL post2 "replying" to ESL post1 with some inane answerhe got disconnected from the free wifi
>>746695238This man vs Todd Howard Who wins?
>>746716836Your country is cucked enough you can't even grab a 12ga with a license?
>>746718541>After a time, they began to buy into the hype, but didn't observe the diminishing modding base over the yearsthe modding base in Bethesda games has only gone up.>and now we're at the point where nobody WANTS to mod this shitStarfield is like the 10th most modded game on the Nexus, and getting frequent free and paid creations, as well as the same unofficial patch every other game has gotten.If you're going to lie, at least make up a lie that can't be disproven in 10 seconds.
>>746716861>world building, artstyle and setting>better than Elder Scrolls or even Bethesda's FalloutI really don't see how
>>746716952>starfield fansall five of them
Is the jeet having a mental breakdown now?
>>746718857UC v FC and the colony war backdrop is pure intriguekino>bethesda's falloutit's not bethesda's. the only parts of fallout that belong to them is institute which is just bladerunner but gay and minutemen and gunners which are like fishersprice NCR and khans
>>746719035Do you honestly think that Starfield has better world building, artstyle and setting than the original Fallout
>N*Sfag keeps forcing his "discussion">notice a flurry of bitter post directed at STARCHADswhat prompted this shift in strategy, i wonder. maybe he ran out of positive things to talk about in his brokie dogshit
>>746718930N*SFAG DO NOT OPEN THE SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!N*SFAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>746719137>ESL can't read a grade school level sentencei know who this post belongs to!
>>746719143>>746719273No Man's Sky mindbroke you.
>>746719332no u
>>746719273Do you know the difference between total hours of playtime, and total number of players?
>>746719346>N*Sfag seriously believes anyone knows the game exists if not for the efforts of a single brokie, his van and his mcdonalds wifi pass on a mission, advertising the game in starfield threads
>>746719661>game is more popular than BG3>"yeah the game isn't actually popular"
>>746719706>N*Sfag seriously believes anyone knows the game existsAnon, are you really so underage you don't remember the launch of No Man's Sky?
>>746719781Please define popularity for me
>>746719821I am so, so sorry to have to break down this information to you.In the past week, there has been a total of 1 thread mentioning NMS, and it was in fact, a starfield thread.I am, so, deeply sorry. But literally nobody cares about this game, besides the one schizo in his van.
>>746720050viper dont smoke so much crack man
>>746720028>B-B-B-BBUT..... BG3 ISN'T ACTUALLY POPULARahjahahahHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>746720118would you be interested in explaining to the class, how a game that never gets talked about, ever, actually has people that care about it (well, beside the N*Sfag trying to advertise the game in starfield threads)
>>746718816>Starfield is the 10th most modded game on the nexus>13.6k mods, 196m downloadsAbso-fucking-lutely pathetic in comparison to other Bethesda games, beating out only Morrowind in DOWNLOADS, but still losing in terms of mods(15.9k/133.7m). I guess it also beats FO76, but that's an online game you can't really modify beyond making ore resources glow, a chat function, or superficial texture mods. >Starfield promptly gets mogged by (In order)>#9 FO3 (17k/201m)>#8 Oblivion (33k/339m)>#7 BG3 (19k/525m)>#6 Stardew Valley (33k/827m)>#5 FONV (41k/1.3b)>#4 Cyberpunk 2077 (23k/1.6b)>#3 Skyrim LE (73k/1.9b)>#2 FO4 (76k/2.4b)>#1 Skyrim SE (138k/12b)Starfield should have at least been #3/4/5, this is a fucking mdoern BETHESDA game we are talking about; you can point at the thousands of other rando games it does eclipse, but nobody gives a fuck about the modding scene of Crypto Mining Simulator, or Pro Evolution Soccer 5, that's fucking cope.
>>746720132wat
>>746720319Pretty good for an anti-normie game, all things considered.
>>746695238Space is far stranger than any fiction. Why did this faggot think it's boring?
>>746720379are you mentally competent?
>>746720294>would you be interested in explaining to the class, how a game that never gets talked about, ever, actually has people that care about itWhy would I explain that? I never made that claim
>shill hard as NASApunk game>literally turn into space dragonborn 2 hours in
>>746720509I never implied BG3 wasn't popular
>>746720319>Starfield logo super-imposed over a battered Goku>Todd's face super-imposed over a battered Vegeta>Did we [top the nexus charts?]>No, Todd, that was [Morrowind]
>>746720319Fallout and Skyrim have much more established IPs, years of previous modding culture, and Starfield is a much more niche space sim game.
fantasy fags are getting way too uppity. most fantasy is just using reality as a basis then changing things that you find unfun about it. how many fantasy worlds do you see out there that are completely different from reality? barely any because if the setting isn't believable enough, it's unappealing. realism isn't inherently unfun and if you think like that you are retarded as fuck.
>>746720530You did.You tried to dispute >N*Sfag seriously believes anyone knows the game existsNobody knows the game exists, anon. Not a single person on a top 50 website on the internet by traffic has mentioned N*SKnow why? The only people playing some brokie game are turdie brokies who play whatever they can get for <$5. Their existence doesn't matter.
>>746719781>more popular than BG3Lmao, raped and gaped.
>>746720706anon.........
Nobody reads anymore either.Acclaimed sci fi shows, films, and games were often influenced by the great sci fi minds of the pastHarlan Ellison, Phillip K. Dick, Aasimov, Clarke, Heinlein, Gibson, Card, Herbert, etc.People all get their media digitally, and when they 'want' to read they use a fucking audiobookReading is considered too much work nowadays, same with critical thinking. Just make the slop and shut your mouth(Obviously referring to the AAA devs of the industry)
>>746720694People knowing the game exists isn't the same as people caring about it. People know it exists because of its infamous launch. Sorry if I didn't make myself clear
And if you're curious to why Ranjeesh has been losing his everloving shit about NMS for hours now, it's because of this.
>>746720706The guy is either living in lala land, or he's a common shitposter trying to get his jollies. Either way, reality doesn't figure into what he's doing, so don't bother
>>746720878I think you know what was implied by "nobody knows the game exist". But yes, it's not the same thing, indeed.
>>746716262Ah yes. The point to make a shit game on purpose for the lulz
>>746720962when was the last time NMS topped revenue on steam or the PS store
>>746695238Real life space is fascinating because its the final (and most hostile) frontier. If you want to base a setting on real space but strip away all the perils of actual space travel of course its going to be boring.
>>746721126Is your argument about how many people play the game or how much money is getting squeezed out of its players?
>>746721243answer the question, m'am
>>746720962This argument is pretty stupid since something like 70%+ of starfield players play on Goypass which isn't tracked on Steam, whereas NMS has no Goypass version.But anyone posting Steam charts/player count shit should be banned in general. It isn't an argument regardless of which is higher.
>>746721276I'll assume the answer is Starfield. Would you be kind enough to answer my question, too?
>>746696068>>746696297>>746696641>>746704880born JUST IN TIME to explore KINO GAMESremember, anons, there are much more amazing games out already than you'll have time to play, so only play kino, doesn't matter if AAA is slop now - there's a shitton of retro and 2000s-2010s kino
>>746695238>Look igguloid, we may have made a Gruelcore Goyimgame but its space's fault only the brownest of the brown found it interesting
>boast mode: heh this steamchart will finally show him what's what...>LITTLE BITCH MODE: "..I-IS YOUR ARGUMENT THAT... <mentally ill cope babble> well that didn't last long>>746721506>"when was the last time NMS topped revenue on steam or the PS store">the answer is "Starfield"was that the fent hitting?
>>746721490>something like 70%+ of starfield players play on GoypassSource on this?
