>>746774783
Yes

>>746774783
V+ could cure cancer, resurrect your childhood pet and bring your parents back together and it will stuck suck because few weeks in you'll be seeing rogues/mages phasing in and out of instance entrances while open world questing experience will be intolerable due legions of hunters with unnamed boar pets farming mobs 24/7.

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OP i think the problem with V+ as a concept is I've never met two people who could agree exactly what it should be.
How much should change, How much is too much and basically TBC.
Also the fact that vanilla played now isn't vanilla played in 2004, it'd get minmaxed within a week and if people didn't like bots camping black lotuses I'm not sure why they'd think V+ wouldn't just attract the same players.

>>746774783
No, they're literally just copypasting turtlewow and ascension, just like how they handled nostalrius. Theres a reason they closed both down like they did with nost.
Literally free money and that fat fuck aggrend doesn't have to whine and complain on bluesky anymore

>>746774783
I still can't figure out whether the few of you guys still remaining are just doing it to kick the dead horse for the lolz or you just genuinely can't move on.
This is like looking at coc threads.

>>746774783
You can never go back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiwNbALrZbU

>>746774783
>It’s going to fucking suck, isn’t it?
Even if everything they put out good work the players will make it bad anyway. No one can even agree on what classic+ should be anyway you already have an anon in here crying that they might make enough changes to the game that it becomes TBC whereas I'm all for them making changes. I just don't want all the characters to be gay, trans, talking about how much they love each other all the time and how everyone should just co-exist. That might seem impossible but what I want is a reset to post WC3 WoW and I don't want to go through the dark portal immediately, I don't want to see Arthas for like 10 years and I want varied class design with actual active rotations.

I just want Warcraft to be raw and angry for a while again. Scrap the last 20 years of lore and write like it never happened. Of course, that would mean you'd need a world building team who doesn't feel bad for having their factions hate each other and to be constantly chomping at the bit to kill one another, but we'll see I guess.


There's 0% I'll get what I want but I am open to alternatives.

>>746775254
>copypasting turtlewow and ascension
Sounds awful

>>746774783
I don't think it's happening. It would just be SoD again, which was a failure
I think even WoW 2 or a single-player version of Classic is more likely

>>746774783
So...what in 10 years time we'll be seeing
"Super Neo World of Warcraft Classis Plus Ultra"?

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>>746774783
no it'll be the greatest and we'll be so back and wow will be the queen of mmos again, every eceleb will come back and say "we've reaching level of being so back never thought possible" and "blizzard is finally listening" videos left and right and everyone who has ever quit will come back, every eceleb will come back and classic+ alone will hit player numbers that put even wotlk's peak to shame
you just wouldn't understand they'll get the brightest minds who worked on nostalrius and turtle and ascension working on it, they sure wouldn't put the same neon haired women who ruined retail and classic on it no sir. and they also won't censor the game like they did with classic absolutely not

and if you disagree you're a xivtroon

ban blizzfaggots

>>746774783
No addons please, so Blizzard has less things they can fuck up. Console support too.

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well yeah it won't be pic related so of course it's gonna fucking suck

>>746776435
This is the only way I would play. Also ban Brazilians and South Americans and region lock everyone to play in their own country. I don’t want to read a single word of brown language, also ban every chink on sight. The game died the second cross-realms became a thing.

>>746776435
>Console support too.
NO
FUCK OFF

>>746776897
you think you don't, but you do

>>746776435
WoW has always had addons and lol no consoles.

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>>746774783
Obviously. TurtleWoW was good because it was made by people who actually like classic and only classic. Blizzard hates classic, resents classic fans for disliking retail, and only ever made it available again at all because demand was simply too large to ignore. Classic+ will be made by the same people who turned retail into what it is today, they won't magically start having a non shit design philosophy that will make vanilla better instead of ruining it just because they're calling it classic+ instead of a new retail expansion. Even if it was somehow decent as some cosmic accident they would obviously immediately ruin it with the wow token and level boosts among other microtroonsactions

>>746774783
What, did they fick up the whole point of WoW Classic actually being like the vanilla experience that they now need to do a re-restart?

>>746774783
>It’s going to fucking suck, isn’t it?
Can't really suck if it doesn't exist, can it? There won't be any classic+. They'll announce something for retail, WoD classic, and WotLK classic 2 anniversary.

>>746774783
It might be cool for a couple of months, provided Blizzard aren't fags that put up PTRs/betas. They should not allow a single person outside of their office to play it before release. The meta sweatlords will ruin the game by release if they do when they have 50 classic+ guides day 1 that tell you the best classes, best races, and optimal leveling/gearing.

Modern devs need to protect players from themselves.

>>746777328
>level boost
>bad
Leveling sucks and its either pay some people in game to for a boost or pay blizz either way its all the game. They should add all that stuff.

>>746777328
>TurtleWoW was
Full of trannies.

>>746777453
>What, did they fick up the whole point of WoW Classic actually being like the vanilla experience that they now need to do a re-restart?
Not quite. The players learned that while they thought they did, they as a matter of fact did not. My man J. Allen Brack was proven right in the end. They hated him because he told the truth.

>>746777519
Get good or get bent.

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>spending resources making classic+ only for NO CHANGES faggots to screech because they don't want shop mounts or censored quests or body type 1/2
put another plate of moldy slop in the microwave and sell the piggies another batch of CLASSIC FRESH and make zillions for no effort instead
or release another 90 dollar dinosaur for the retoilets

>>746777519
leveling in classic is the absolute peak of WoW

>>746774783
It will be ok. But comp/meta fags will ruin it

Wow really isn't worth playing imo unless your playing within 2 months of a new release or with a regular guild.
Too many hardcore casuals or the types of people who want to pretend their compeditive yet they've never left their basement. So yes its going to suck.

Classic was just a way for Blizzard to cash in on private servers.

>>746774783
Yes it is. And censored to please the fat greasy hair-dyed snowflakes too.

>>746778951
>Classic was just a way for Blizzard to cash in on private servers.
Fucking Hell.

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enjoy paying for censored slop, cucks

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>>746774783
as long as this dumb bitch is in charge yes

Blizzard hate everything about the Vanilla community.

Every Vanilla player is a reminder that they turned their own product to shit and that they have no talent remaining at Blizzard.

So no, the next product won't be good, because they just hate the original so much.

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>>746778751
>Classic launch
>Decide to switch over from pserver to official classic to give it a try
>2 weeks later
>nobody running dungeons normally anymore
>only mages for "spell-cleave runs" or people buying/selling boosts
>people doing gear checks for dungeons, not even raids
>people want cum/blood/urine sample, photocopies of passport/driving license/birth certificate, 2 employer references, raid logs to get into raid content designed to be cleared by 40 retards on toasters on dial-up internet
>go back to pserver where playerbase are just chill

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>>746775723
Unfortunately warcraft will never truely.go back to its roots. No major western studio makes games like that anymore and its largely post 2010 wows fault desu

>>746774783
as someone who played classic until wrath and then SoD i have no idea how anyone believes blizzard has what it takes to do new content for old wow

>>746779558
Hopium really. My buddies will complain every new content release then get mad at me for not being excited for whatever blizzard is promising to do in the future. Basic pattern recognition is a curse

>>746774783
The game will be fine if you already have a social scene that you can rely on and play with. If you're forced to interact with the general public you are fucked between the poopsockers excluding you from deadmines runs because you aren't r14 an hour in & deviated from the golden path by a single millimeter and the dad gamers with 35 jobs and 250 children who will have a melty if you expect them to click a button at least once a minute. Not to mention the third world farm cartel / bot brigade that will fuck up the eco near instantaneously.

>>746779176
Not gonna lie. Right side is better. just calling her "elf" makes much more sense to me than just calling her "woman". It's bad writing either way. But "That's all she'll ever be!" doesn't really work with "woman", it works a little bit with "elf", but it would work best with "liar" or "backstabber" or something like that.

>>746774783
Is it gonna be free to play? Or at least buy to play? Because no way in hell am I ever gonna pay the sub fee, for a slightly updated version of a game I played 20 fucking years ago.

>>746781384
Subs are preferable to microtroonsactions.

>>746781384
It's a purchased product + sub.

>>746779290
This lady, the fatass that made SoD, and having trying to appease a gang of insufferable streamer apes means it's going to be DoA

>>746774783
>>746775230
To me the problem with vanilla, is that vanilla was fucking ass, in so many ways. I enjoyed it while I played it despite the ass, but so many decisions were already bad in 2004, they are just baffling to bring back in modern gaming.
>shitty quests with unreasonably low drop rates
>Unviable builds
>3 items dropping from a 40 man raid boss
>8 debuff limit on a boss for 40 people
>Gathering nodes that are shared instead of being individual for each player
>having to create groups by spamming chats
>having to travel to fucking dungeons
>unreasonably long cooldowns. (mostly annoying while raiding)
And probably a lot more that escape me right now. It doesn't help that until Naxx and I guess a few of the AQ40 fights, there was very little in the way of raid mechanics. Ragnaros, the big bad of Vanilla, knocked back, summoned adds and became immune. Not exactly the pinnacle of raiding. The difficulty came largely from how hard it was to get good gear. Your tank didn't have enough resistance, means your healer went out of mana, meant people died. And Blizzard themselves didn't know how to create good items. A bunch of sets had absolute nonsense stats.
So fuck, if they do a version of classic, where they fix allat, maybe it would be good? Nostalgia + improvements? Honestly I would be fine if they take the vanilla setting and do something crazy, like that WoW Ascension did years ago, where instead of picking classes, you get 3 abilities to choose from on level up, roguelike style and make your own class. That was kinda fun.

>>746779290
WoW has been completely unrecognizable since she joined Blizzard
I remember a comment years ago saying that she drove Everquest classic into the ground (never played myself) and would do it to WoW as well. Seems like they were right

>>746774783
yes and everyone will still play it (for a week) like always

>>746783331
World buffs raiding and no life pvp ranking in 2019 classic is proof that vanilla should've stayed in the past
The "faithful in spirit to vanilla" timeline reset Classic+ is what we should've gotten from the beginning

>>746784718
no. to make something like classic+ have any chance of being good you need to let people play and experience the old version of the game for a while so you can see what works and what doesn't
if they had immediately jumped into classic+ type shit they would have fucked it up. they're probably still going to fuck it up

>>746783331
>like that WoW Ascension did years ago,
didn't they recently kill Ascension?

>>746783331
>>Unviable builds
Accept your fucking roles that you picked as a class, it's not complicated
No, paladins should never be a DPS class, you're not the main character in this coop game

>>746776435
interface addons are a must
fuck the default UI

>>746777608
And? It was also full of chuds and you could actually say basically whatever you wanted without getting banned, and people actually interacted and joked around. Every modern game, especially an MMO is full of troons. Retail has way more troons and you can't say shit about anything or you'll be permanently banned and have all your money spent on the game stolen.

>>746785260
It's bad design, in fact that whole class is badly designed. I don't know how people can defend such a broken system when talents are what dictate your playstyle.

>>746785947
>when talents are what dictate your playstyle.
They don't you fucking retard

>>746784718
I don't even care about "faithful to the spirit". I'm full on in the "what if?" camp, where I'm okay with them just fucking chucking shit in there to have "classic but good" "classic but it has X/Y/Z". Some absolute crazy people wanted 1:1 the original first day first patch experience, and like.. fuck that shit was ASS. Plus of course: Original macros had so few limitations, the only thing stopping players from reducing their full optimal rotation into a single macro was that they didn't know how. Honestly, I don't get it. If you want the authentic vanilla experience, set up a private server and play it. If it comes from Blizzard I want them to use their billions to improve upon the vanilla concept.

>>746785112
I believe it shuts down literally tomorrow. Which is a shame, it was a cool Idea.

>>746785260
>having multiple viable specs is main characters syndrome
Kill yourself, alliance scum. If they put in a spec, it should be viable as well. A shadow Priest shouldn't be taken on a raid just to buff the real shadow dps class: Warlocks. A Shadow Priest should be viable on it's own, Same with Druids, Shamans, Paladins and everyone else. No classic should be pidgeon holed into just being a healer, or just being a tank. Or just doing ooc rez.

>>746776657
check your email bro

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>Classic+
>Ion is the main raid dev
>Every patch is zul gurub

>>746775115
The bots pay a sub, m8. Blizzard lets them hit their ROI before they ban them so they're incentivized to keep subbing new accounts. Then they preach about how banwaves totally work and it's not just a way to pretend like they're dealing with bots when they're actually intentionally allowing them to remain profitable.

>>746783331
I agree with you but the thing is, vanilla retards will literally try and kill you for suggest the game improve itself or be fun like the roguelite mode. for a lot of these people the second you mention making builds more viable they'd piss and shit themselves into a coma.

just address the instant ooming mana issues with boomy/spriest and they would be fine.

>>746774783
it will be another bot infested piece of shit and the economy will be so fucked that you'll have to farm 10 hours a week to afford consumables

>>746786185
They all just want to play warrior. And that's coming from a warrior main. I'd love if other classes were better on the meters. More loot for me. I played warrior in classic and it was god awful how every raid you had to compete with 10+ ppl on loot.

i hope it's a total reset and they start from classic again that would be kino
but on the other hand the retail wow devs are fucking shit

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>>746775254
>copypasting turtlewow and ascension

with nublizz this would be the best case scenario, the reality is going to be much more grim

- one new race (another gay elf race that can choose either faction for superfluous reasons because they were too lazy/incompetent to make two races)
- raids from SoD
- specs from SoD
- new quests (maybe)
- with "More to come" (so you don't cancel your sub after 1 month)

Allen was right, you think you do but you dont.
Vanilla WoW is a thing of the past. You are never again going to be 14 in 2004, grow up.

>>746786185
Which is wild to me, as someone who played vanilla. Like I said it was a "it was the best we had" not a "the best it could be" situation. I remember even during vanilla we used to complain about so much shit. "Why is the fucking corpse run so long?" "Why do I need to kill 240 zhevras for 4 zhevra hooves. A single one has four!!!" "Why does this fucking raid boss suddenly need 8 tanks??? No raid guild has 8 fucking tanks geared and ready!" I remember even still in TBC I hated finding dungeon groups. Specially as a raid shadow priest. I didn't mind being a mana battery for my group, but fuck me, trying to find a group usually involved me standing in shatt for an hour, spamming my +shadow damage, and getting whisper that said: "Hi, heal?" every few minutes.
Fuck, I remember how hard it was to get Groups for magisters terrace Where a bis shadow trinket dropped, because each group wanted mages, rogues and maybe warlocks because they all had good CC.
People often say "But groupfinder ruined the community feel" and I don't think that's actually true. I think what ruined the community feel was the fact that at the same time groupfinder was introduced, the game also ballooned to it's largest ever playerbase. And you can't have community feeling when every day, there's 10k people on your realm you've never seen. If group finder had been in vanilla from day 1, not a single person would have ever EVER said group finder is bad.

>>746786463
But if warrior became "bad" (not actually truly bad just a 1-of or 2-of in "optimal" comps to give shouts to other melee), do you think current warrior mains would accept that change? I guess it depends on how many actually want to play warrior and how many play it because it's just the filler "best" DPS for raids.

>>746786918
As gay as retail has become, I wish I had just stuck with it instead of falling for the classic psyop

>>746774783

It'll be "fun" initially during the honeymoon phase. But yes, in the long run it'll be ruined by the usual shitload of bots and all of the tryhard sweatlord parse faggots demanding to see your logs for a mid level dungeon. Plus it's being made by today's Blizzard so... that right off the bat should tell you all you need to know

>>746785947
Because vanilla players HATE skill expression above anything else
Vanilla is a game defined by time sunk and knowledge (ability to google) not skill. The players want to feel superior for knowing to pick the good class at character creation (warrior/mage/rogue) instead of the bad one (everything else)
Balancing classes takes that away. Suddenly the shit warrior player is going to be dead last on the meters while the good paladin is at the top

This extends to every aspect of classic. Pvp ranking is a playtime check, they hate arena because you rank by skill. They love threat meters because you have to know to download one or you cant play, they hate raiding in later expacs because you have to learn and execute the boss mechanics instead of just collecting all the world buffs

>>746774783
What even is it???

>>746774783
Please bro just one more re-release of Classic, we're going back for real this time bro.

>>746776435
No addons no play. I'm not using Blizzard's shitty UI where all the information you want is hidden or hard locked in the most inconvenient part of the screen. WoW's popularity has always been in part due to how customizable it is.

It'll be fun, SoD was good until MC

>>746791440
You have no place in vanilla then.
Retail is that way -->

>>746787058
If they halved fury warrior dps but made all three spec capable of tanking amd better at soloing i'd be happy.

>>746791440
This isn't WoW, but WoW+. Addons are free R&D for blizz, they may as well steal it all and claim it as their own.

>>746791543
Addons could play the game for you in vanilla though

>>746774783
Does this even exist?

>>746790571
>they hate arena because you rank by skill
Early in a season, maybe. Rating inflation does go crazy these days, you can be pretty shit and hit duelist or even glad if you slam your head into the wall for long enough towards the end of a season. Ironically, it's kind of the same with Mythic raiding with how periodic nerfs are put out throughout a season when Blizzard even hitting early bosses. If your roster sticks together through enough of those nerfs your chances of hitting CE shoot up a lot. Anyway, my point is that the "time commitment = progress" thing is actually still true, the skill check is just a faster path to the rewards. Maybe "time" is replaced with just waiting in that context since nerfs and rating inflation will happen whether you play 2 hours a week or 20.

>>746774783
Nigger it's a Blizzard game of course it is going to be shit, I can't believe anyone even gives them the time of day anymore.

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>>746774783
>be actual vanilla in 2005
>99% of players (literal figure btw) dont care about raids much despite devs desperately trying to force the meta
>2026, every iteration of classic is centred around raid loggers, classic+ devs are obsessed with balancing classes all around raids.
retail raids are decent. everything else about retail is dogshit. But if i was going to play wow i would want either unaltered vanilla, or retail. if you are going to play a version of wow for the raids why play anything other than retail.

gibs me new dungeons

>>746792273
Its not true though. You still have to have a high enough win rate in pvp even with 2.4k glad cutoff being fixed
Even at end of season many guilds cant get CE. Hundreds of guilds fall short right at the end and even more would never get close because they cant mechanically get past earlier wall bosses. Post nerf CE bosses still take multiple weeks of prog from way above average players to clear
Thats the difference, you never have to get better in vanilla, there simply is no skill wall. If you afk enough AV you get r14
If you auto attack green mobs enough you'll level up
Bosses do not have anything resembling mechanics 99% of the time, im pretty sure with world buffs auto attacks can beat most of vanillas damage checks
At the same time, good players CANNOT go meaningfully faster. You can be great at pvp but you'll never ever hit r14 if you dont have the time to sink in, you can be a pro raider but you'll always be gimped by the shit vanilla droprates where weekly resets matter more, because everyone is full clearing anyway. Leveling is going to take days of time/played even if youre the best there
Even if you played literally perfect from day 1, if you can only play a little bit you will forever be behind the NEETs. Thats not the case in any other version of the game

>>746791558
More realistic scenario would be nerfing fury, making arms a decent alternative and giving MS utility in some encounters, and encouraging deep prot for the MT. I would actually guess that the tank roll will be comfortably shared with Druid given a rebalance. Strictly based on feels for what I think nu-blizz would identify as problems, and deep prot might still be shit if they don't design fights for it.

>>746774783
AW SHIT NIGGA DOUBLE PLUS GOODER

>>746792853
Because they arent good enough for retail
Also the 2004 numbers are bullshit because they counted dead inactive but still paying subs. If you actually logged in and played WoW a lot you'll both be extremely bored and run out of content without raiding. The people who didnt care about raiding were scarcely playing the game to begin with
Or pvpers

>>746792853
not interested in pride parade simulators

>>746774783
Has anything blizzard not sucked in the last 15 years?

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>>746794032
Undermine was just last expac and it was peak

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>>746779176
There's a lot of little censorships like this.
There's a level 10 quest in Durotar to send you to Crossroads and deliver a conscription letter to the chick that tells you to get plainstrider beaks.. The npc calls her a "nasty woman who will talk your head in circles before she lets you do anything useful."
Classic changed "nasty woman" to "nasty shaman", because women can't be unlikeable.
Just little changes like that all over classic that you'd only know if you played vanilla and read the quests, which no one does.

Hell, the Betrayed quest from your pic was removed from Classic for like a year during the great fruit painting debacle because that Orc implied trusting a woman was bad.
they only added it back with the text changed because Horde complained about how much experience that chain gave and removing it was a huge blow to the 50+ leveling bracket.
Their first instict was seriously to delete content because it hurt their feelings.

Do not give these people your time or money.
And do as Belgrom Rockmaul says. Do not trust women.

The only reason people remember WoW fondly is because at first people were trying to play it like a pre-WoW mmo. The design and mechanics of WoW itself ruined mmos, there is nothing in any iteration of WoW that can fix this problem because it is the problem.

>>746781885
How about you're getting both?

>>746794139
Youre a complete and utter fucking retard if you think undermine was good at all lmao

>>746774783
yeah, unless blizzard can go back in time and get the devs who made the classic titles it's gonna be the modern WoW team trying to emulate the old game and failing miserably.

>>746795072
Cope+dilate+learn2drive
Undermine was one of the best patches WoW ever had.

>>746786918
>Allen was right
Classic WoW had a massive launch and made bigger waves online than any other expansion since wotlk, and it was so popular that Blizzard went from "NEVER EVER" to expanding on classic with different iterations, and if the classic+ rumors are true then they're investing heavily into expanding vanilla-like philosophy content for the future. So no he was clearly beyond wrong lmao

>>746795192
Those devs couldn't design a boss more complex than patchwerk why would they be useful?

>>746774783
go back to your containment board. I hate fucking blizzard so much I'm never going back to classic.

>>746774783
Reminder that Blizzard supports homosexuals and trannies and has gay pride parades in world of warcraft now. When you play classic you are not playing with based boomers. You are playing with fucking actual trannies.

>>746795234
What made it so good? Unironically list what made it good you stupid nigger
I was fucking Top 10 US for that patch, and you are a fucking no name that didn't do shit other than the fucking WQ's and drive that boring ass car that they've done nothing with since then I bet.
What makes it a good patch, you fucking NIGGER

retail turns you gay

how fucking long are you really going to repeat farming devilsaurs

this is mental illness. move on.

>>746795519
classic+ is retail and it's fucking gay

>>746786847
my fav cumtown ep

>>746795557
People still play OSRS. Never played runescape myself, but vanilla wow has had considerably more cultural impact than runescape.

>>746795263
Classic launch didnt even come close to WoD launch and fell off just as hard. Classic mythos got people to try it day 1 but as soon as they actually started playing that slop millions left
>expanding on classic with different iterations
Only for pre-order sales selling boosts and mounts to retail players
>classic+
Isnt happening

>>746774783
first 2 weeks are going to be kino no matter what.

>>746795642
are you retarded? Classic+ is the biggest MMO in the world right now, Chinks and South Americans discovered it in 2019 and have a huge culture around it. Classic+ is the only thing holding up Blizzard right now after they killed OW, Diablo and retail WoW

>>746795851
Youre completely delusional
Spic rmters cant save classic from being dead as fuck, and china plays on their own modified gacha game version

Wtf, how many versions of vanilla are even out there?

>>746795989
nobody is playing retail WoW, they had to merge all the servers together so you could actually see players in the world, 90% of servers are totally dead and a handful of mega servers. Retail WoW has the worst story maybe in the history of videogames, literal 5th grade tier, blizzard has the worst writers in the industry, the gameplay is mid, the items are dogshit with 6 tiers for every item, nothing feels special, it's just a bunch of faggots with sunk cost fallacy that can't let go. Classic+ 2019 was the biggest boost for blizzard they ever had, China is feeding them good, Chinks don't play retail since they don't have sunk cost into it, they prefer the superior game

>>746795464
Good raid content and S+ tier fluff content
Every boss except Muggze was fun. I dont care if M Gallywix wasnt a ball buster like normal end bosses after Ansurek it was a lot more fun
Dungeons were good with tons having big pulls like Meadery and Priory. Fun tier sets. Tww class design in general was some of the best but that does apply yo all 3 seasons
The only issue with Undermine was the school shooter transmog was too grindy

>blizzard
>doing anything good
did you wake up from a 30 year coma or what

>>746776435
So DoA then? Have fun with your 10 people who want to play without addons.

>>746796337
Chinks dont play retail because its hard to run 19 gdkps in a week when the boss doesnt fall over
>nobody is playing retail
Most popular mmo by a mile
>they had to merge all the servers together
This never happened in retail. Classic actually force merged and closed servers though, because that game is dead
>story
Nobody cares
>gameplay is mid
You dont get to talk about gameplay while defending classic
>items are dogshit
Items are fine, certainly better than vanilla itemization was
>nothing feels special
There's cantrip items people chase every tier. Right now everyone is clamoring for raid weapons from the last 2 bosses because they have special effects
>2019 was the biggest boost
Again, no it wasnt. 2019 launch peak barely hit 3m in classic. WoD was almost a 6m spike.

>>746796712
Just toggle them on. Not having to rely on external addon developers who might just stop playing the version of the game you play is a benefit in itself.

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what is CLASSIC PLUS even? im playing ffxiv and lineage 2 so i dont know. classic was reboot. this is reboot of reboot? they failed original classic?

>>746796957
Vanilla remake

>>746796926
>This never happened in retail

why do you lie faggot, go to any server and every player has their name as "Playername - server", oh right not "technically" server merge, but all servers are merged "in the cloud", stop with your judean pilpul tactics


>Items are fine, certainly better than vanilla itemization was
getting a lvl 20 wailing caverns blue that will last you 20 levels has a bigger dopamine hit than getting wow retail Level 1 dagger of shit that upgrades to level 6. All items should be unique, items are the core of MMO's and retail WoW ruined it

no crusader strike no buy

>>746774783
There’s absolutely nothing the game can do that will make the player’s happy, what people want from classic+ varies wildly. I will probably enjoy it I want to no life classic wow again it’s hard to do that with like anniversary because who gives a shit about anniversary

>>746795642
Retail cope baby..

>Activision Blizzard’s Q3 2019 earnings report, the company confirmed that the release of WoW Classic drove the largest quarterly increase in active subscriptions in the 15-year history of the franchise. Subscription revenue spiked by an estimated 223% in August 2019 compared to the previous month.
>While retail expansion launches like Battle for Azeroth or Shadowlands bring massive box-sale spikes, none caused as steep an surge in active recurring subscribers within a single quarter as Classic.
>What surprised Blizzard execs most was that players didn't just log in for nostalgia and leave. Subscriber retention remained abnormally strong for months after launch, outperforming the retention curves of several standard retail expansions
Classic literally beat the shit out of retail and retail hasn't recovered since, which is why Blizzard is doubling down their efforts on classic while making retail even more faggy for you fags

>>746796957
WoW classic was a huge success but it went through all the expansions and even did cata and mop to try and stretch it out, classic always had a shelf life. Classic plus in theory will be a version of classic that can keep going forever with new updates and heavily copying the RuneScape classic model

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>>746797483
fucking a, that's even more impressive than I thought, completely owned that stupid sunk cost fallacy faggot.
>I can't quit I have 2,000 mounts!!!!
stupid ass retail faggots

>>746797262
If all items should be unique why are vanilla items almost entirely lifeless stat sticks?
Retail has way more unique items, thus its better, right? But yoh already knew that
>getting a lvl 20 wailing caverns blue that will last you 20 levels has a bigger dopamine hit than getting wow retail
No- getting bis for an entire tier is way more exciting than something you'll replace 2 days later. Retail items are also bis because theyre actually good, instead of classic where items are bis because blizzard forgot to make a single other source of +hit in that item slot

>>746797483
Thanks for your chatgpt quote, too bad its not real and just coming from streamer cope
>>746797775
Unlucky for you its completely made up

>>746774783
classic plus what?

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>>746797801
You still don't get it faggot, ALL ITEMS SHOULD BE UNIQUE, Not 1/5 tier, 2/5, etc. There should only be one version of every item, you either have it or you don't, that is the core of MMO's that drive people to keep playing. I have never got any dopamine hit from getting a retail WoW item, I don't want to spend hours grinding a fucking item to max it out, that is gay and stupid and NOT FUN. That is why way more people play classic globally than retail

>>746797880
>Unlucky for you its completely made up
Nah I was there, I've been playing WoW since February 2005, 2019 classic was the biggest rush I have ever seen, bigger than any expansion release, and people didn't quit after a month like they do with tranny written retail expansions, take the L nigger

>>746793591
like 1% of people actually got into nax in actual vanilla. If you actually played back in 2005 in different raiding guilds you would understand the reason was that the whole raiding culture and playstyle completely turned most people off. Thats why DKP was so popular back in the day, DKP rewarded attendance and it was really hard getting players to show up for raids because they felt like a second job.

>>746797483
>223% in August 2019 compared to the previous month.
LMAO THIS NIGGER IS RETARDED AHAHA
When they release a new expansion this also happens but is closer to 1000% but sure, classic dogshit is not dead

Classic+ needs M+

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>>746798118
>Classic+ needs M+

>mfw

>>746798049
>and people didn't quit after a month like they do with tranny written retail expansions,
This nigger is actually retarded
Classic literally has the bigggest drop in players ever, even bigger than Shadowlands
Vanilla was the same, now kill yourself you dumb retarded troglodyte

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vanilla naxx is actual aids to play, some of the fights are fun but the sheer amount of material grinding you have to do to even make the sapph fight doable is utterly miserable on a weekly basis, all of you niggas are going to be buying gold too, don't try and pretend like you don't when consumes are 100 fuckin g's a pop, you aren't making that grinding quests or dancing on mailboxes every week

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>>746798207
you don't know shit faggot, the only people who play retail wow are American trannies and wanabee streamers, everyone else in Europe, Asia, SA and most of USA is playing Classic when they want to get their WoW hit

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at this point I genuinely think that "people" who still gives blizz money in 2026 have some kind of mental illness or they are simply way too gone.
no it doesn't matter if you are wasting your money playing a re-release of 20yo good expansion YOU CAN'T trust current blizzard to do anything properly especially when it comes to new content. just look at how they did everything way worse than fucking 1.12 pservers ran by norwegian neets back when they released classic wow.
they always find a way to fucked it up

blizzard fans have a short memory and forget that they had gay pride parades this year in game. Same devs as the classic plus devs.

>>746781164
>doesn't really work with "woman"
why not? hes a misogynist who hates women. why wouldnt he say that?

>>746798049
Nobody plays classic you retarded shitskin, thats why youre trying to count chink funservers to pad your numbers. Too bad we have ironforge pro and WCL tracking both and can readily see how dead classic is
>There should only be one version of every item
Item names do not matter, changing an items name doesn't make it unique. If its just a sword with attack power then its the same as any other sword with attack power, just at different tiers. Retail has items that are actually unique, classic has items that are lifeless stat sticks
>I have never got any dopamine hit from getting a retail WoW item, I don't want to spend hours grinding a fucking item to max it out
Because you dont play retail, as you clearly dont know what youre talking about
Again, bis for 6 months is exciting, good for 2 days is not. Thats why retail loot is interesting

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>>746774783
Yes. I just wanted Season of Balance where they try and balance Vanilla.

Not making huge sweeping changes that just turn them into retail but fucking functional SPriests and Boomkins an' shit.

>>746794139
this cartoon network reddit shit is not peak

World of Warcraft: The Jingling Keys

>>746786918
I guess it’s also this, the reason I enjoyed the game so much is because everyone was online together at the same time, the only time I enjoyed the game is when I was in raiding gulls. After that it got boring, so I want to say 7 or 8 years and then panda came out and it sucked ass with no guild. It’s not even the longest time I’ve played a game really but it’s just so drastically different now in retail where you’re doing quest about picking up a blood elf’s clipped toenails in bloodsomg forest. Don’t get me wrong the game LOOKS fucking cool but retail is so much different I just can’t go back. Also people don’t talk which started happening in about 2010 and always got on my nerves. It’s like the spergs only talk when they are either pissed off in dungeons or In PvP to rage, no friendliness or trying to be funny. General chats are dead quiet just like the game and south americas economy

>>746798049
>2019 classic was the biggest rush I have ever seen, bigger than any expansion release
You obviously didnt play WoD
>people didn't quit after a month like they do with tranny written retail expansions
Oh this is cute
So since peak participation in MC peaked at like...350k characters in classic, if people didnt quit where did they go? Are you telling me only 350k players were playing? Thats dead as fuck LMAO
Ill even help you out, Shadowlands had like 4 million characters running castle Nathria. Classic couldn't even reach half of that? Pathetic

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the reality is a majority of the people who are super excited to play vanilla again are the same adhd gamers who get to level 30 - 32 and quit when they aren't getting dopamine hits of levelling up every session

>>746774783
considering they ran polls and zoomers were begging for cancer from retoilet like mythic + content probably yes.

>>746798070
The reason was that people just really didnt play the game
They would maybe show up to raid, afk mid pull, spend HOURS idling and wasting time and then log out
The rigor of an average heroic guild in retail is way higher than world 1st vanilla guilds. Actually login and farm your gear, actually learn to press your buttons and not click (in world 1st KT btw) and actually show up to raid and pull the boss instead of afking for 20 minutes while someone makes dinner
Vanilla had people subscribed, maybe even logged into the game, but so often they werent actually playing the game

>>746793407
I'm not denying that there's a higher skill floor or a higher requirement to get those rewards. You can't be a lobotomite mashing one button 16 hours a day and hit 2.4k or get CE like you could to get r14 in Classic, but it does get easier with the long term commitment. I'm pretty shit at PvP and I've gotten glad in the last weeks of a season a few times now while duelist would've been a struggle in the first weeks. My guild is also a very late if at all CE guild and we're pretty fucking bad with a lot of dead weight. Maybe I just severely underestimate my own skill and the people I play with in retail since I barely play Classic.

>>746798486
If you look at ironforge.pro anniversary has a population of at least 200k realistically more than that, which is very healthy especially for a rerelease + waiting room. Wowmeta clocks retail around the same numbers

>>746798118
keep that time trial shit away from wow
completely kills the comfy aspect of dungeons
spending five hours with groups that keep disintegrating fucking sucks.

>>746779360
are there any pservers that are actually worth a damn anymore? idc about p2w shit but so many try to do too much, I just want a chill group of bros to do content with and get the crumbs of what the community used to feel like

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>>746774783
Yeah basically, I have no idea why anyone would have faith in the people who ruined wow to suddenly fix it, they already showed what their vision of classic+ is with SoD their classic+ is just going to be that plus some extra quests, they can't even design dungeons or raids that aren't just retail brained minmax shit that was clearly designed around M+, it'll also be filled with bots and gdkps funded by bought gold day one

Blizzard needs to first start off by beheading all trannies on the front lawn but after 90% of the company has been culled they will need to hire new talent and they will need to fight the urge to hire cheap indians. Basically no hope

>>746798724
I’m pretty certain that is wrong, I remember specifically looking at Nathria log counts during that phase and every version normal heroic mythic was hovering around 20k

>>746798118
fuck your zoom zoom ADHD bullshit and difficulty modes

Make everything hard with no time limit. Your party can either do it or they cant

>>746774783
They took down Conquest of Azeroth because they think that Classic+ will look like shit in comparison.

>>746799226
the only one i know about that isn't getting shut down imminently are Octowow, but I heard its currently buggy as shit and will need some time to have the kinks ironed out

>>746774783
it's just going to be bullshit solo style slop

>>746799054
Its pretty simple
People who green or even gray parse a late mythic boss will handily orange parse heroic. They're only shit by mythic raider standards
The gap really is that large. There is a huge gap at the top between top 0.1% and top 1-2%, but the top 2% is still far far ahead of the 50%
You arent getting CE if you arent in the 95th percentile of the playerbase period, even final week of the tier. You will clear all classic content even at the 5th percentile
Even in like Uldua Hardmodes in wrath last time I checked something around 75% of guilds got Yogg 0 lights. Thats insane. And wrath was too hard already for most vanillafags

>>746799357
>let me just stack all my cooldowns daddy
Do you know why bosses have enrage timers?

>>746798118
with how many smoke breaks, bio breaks, or random afks that happen in classic wow dungeons this idea would never come to pass

With every fun private server always getting shut down, I'm just going to give self-hosting a server with bots once that RTS mod gets somewhere a shot.

>>746799080
Wow metas numbers are completely made up
You can see instantly by their class ranking being nowhere close to WCLs or clicking any character on the server list and seeing it hasnt pulled data in months despite claiming to do so Tuesday
Just use raider.io as the m+ API is actually trustworthy
Theres 7.4M keys run this season. For 200k players, in groups of 5, the average player would need to have run 185 keys for that to be true, which it obviously isnt. The average player probably has run <10 since you have a lot of casuals who dont do m+ at all. At 10 keys per player you would be looking at ~3.7M players
Classic is REALLY just that dead

owarida

>>746799458
solo wow would honestly be the best possible outcome, with full mod support ofc for infinite content

>>746781164
>But "That's all she'll ever be!" doesn't really work with "woman"
Yeah just ignore the betraying and the thieving. ESL moment.

>>746779290
She's a literal life stealing witch sucking the essence out of wow seriously she's into some dark magic shit do your research

>>746800627
I’m not saying you’re a liar, but you must be reading it wrong. Engagement is so low right now WoW YouTube content is a fraction of what it used to be like the biggest WoW content creators barely cracking 50k compared to BFA mill+

>>746800432
this is legit about 4x more loserish than still playing retail in 2026

>>746799501
>You arent getting CE if you arent in the 95th percentile of the playerbase
Bro...
>parsed pink on Mythic Denathrius because I was a fire mage and my guild was hilariously bad at blowing up p1 adds
>ass pulled 3 packs in a +15 10 minutes later
I will not be convinced by things like statistics or funny colored numbers. I am a shitter.

>>746801373
Why would anyone watch WoW YouTube?
Nobody gives a shit about the story, nobody needs to circlejerk for desperate validation like classic wow boomers, all the guide content is on discord, wowhead, raidbots, etc.

7.4M m+ keys so far this season
Last season ended with 42.6M keys done. Theres simply no way to get those kind of numbers with a small playerbase

>>746801373
Trying to interpret mythic plus logs is obviously retarded, when dungeons was relevant content you’d see millions of logs from classic too if they logged it. If you compare raiding content the top venemous abyss class arcane mage has 608k logs release date aug 18 and for classic tbc top class destro warlock is 233k release date aug 27

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They could make the best copycat version of Epoch WoW and polish it to become best version of classic+ to ever exist and it would still fucking suck ass because Blizzard's community is full of parse spergs and trannies who spend their neetbuck on botted gold destroying the economy and the already non-existent community, all while Blizzard ignores bots and auto bans people who get spam reported.

it will not be my hyper specific 'no changes but change this and this and this' so its not real

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>>746774783
It's going to be the most astro-turfed game of all time.
>Look everyone is talking like the good old days!
>We're a community!!! xD
>Guys quick what was something people did in Vanilla WoW we have to replicate that!!
Paired with AI moderation and trannies at every corner.

>>746802174
M+ numbers are automatically pulled from Blizzard's API with no opt-in or logging needed. It is one of the most reliable sources we have for active players, and it suggests the playerbase is still massive without even counting the ultra casual collectors that don't touch M+. If Retail WoW was released on Steam, and its entire playerbase shifted over there, it would probably be consistently fighting for one of the top spots for concurrent players.

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>>746801081
>seriously she's into some dark magic shit do your research
You don't get to be part of Actiblizzard if you're not into that sort of thing.

>>746802790
Retail WoW is very popular but if we’re purely comparing it to Classic, obviously if Classic dungeons was recorded too the number would be in the millions it’s repeatable content with huge alt population especially in this retail season. Obviously classic will always have a bigger levelling population too

>>746775780
>SoD was a failure
what? from what I have seen it was quite the opposite of a failure

>>746779360
literally every problem is solved on hardcore

>>746802151
I did see in my feed classic content like uberdanger and gbay cracking 200k to million views maybe retail videos have similar engagement but not sure what, arguably the biggest retail content creators taliesin and evitel have a fraction of the views they used to have. Classic vids can still go viral like that “most toxic wow guild” I feel the online presence is a lot bigger no one really talks about retail unless it’s shitting on the story. I don’t really engage with any of the content though I just notice it on my feed

>>746774783
blizzard have no idea how to make things that actually fit into vanilla and the retarded reddit fanbase is basically begging them to turn vanilla into retail 2 so yeah it has no chance

>>746804647
Because the classic boomers are constantly seeking validation from each other for their shit dying game
Same reason they circlejerk over hardcore streamer drama when hardcore servers only had like 5k players max

>>746804765
With how much space discussion about classic plus gets online I will be very curious to see the actual engagement metrics when it releases, Last Titan is set up as kind of a finale to the current form of retail too so I am curious to see the engagement for that as well.

>>746803969
No, it wouldnt
Most players do not run that many dungeons. Again, 200k players split into 5 mans is about 40k groups. Those groups would need an average of 25 dungeons to hit 1mil, and retail is at 7.5 for this season so far
This is also only counting endgame dungeons, leveling dungeons, timewalking, etc that people spam on retail arent counted
No the average person isnt doing 25 runs of BRD and UBRS in classic. No the average person in tbc isnt doing 25 heroic dungeons, you get all your badge gear well before that
Theres just no way to get to the massive number of keys retail has without a very large playerbase. A couple million players running a few keys each is reasonable, a couple hundred thousand running dozens if not hundreds each is not

All we wanted was vanilla wow on old client. What the fuck is classic plus shit?

>>746805245
have you been under a rock for 5 years, anon?

>>746803801
What classes do glowniggers play the most?

>early quest in Classic WoW
Kill ten wolves to defend the town
>early quest in Classic+
Suck off ten trannies to own the chuds

>SoD was hailed as "classic plus" when it first launched
>devs just kept stacking more and more shit on top
>slowly became less and less like vanilla and more like retail
>all the bootlickers 180'd and started saying it was "just a testing ground for the REAL classic plus"
This will happen again with whatever blizz does this time

screencap

>>746806479
>when you actually work on the game and fix things it stops being vanilla
Rly makes u think

>>746804038
Its population nosedived after the first 2 months and never recovered

>>746806568
they "worked on the game and fixed things" so hard that they removed all of the aspects of the game that made it vanilla
>slow and steady leveling
>adventurous questing
>limited class design that makes you work around the limitations of your class
>classes having defined niches, strengths and weaknesses
>simplistic raid encounters that were more about coordination than spamming 10 different boss mechanics
>"janky" and unoptimized gear that was all over the place
pretty much all of these were entirely removed in SoD

It's possible to "fix" vanilla without removing the spirit of the game, but blizz seemingly doesn't know how to do that, all they can do is copypaste shit from retail and call it a day

>>746805186
>No the average person in tbc isnt doing 25 heroic dungeons
Just getting the badge trinket is like 11 runs lol, vanilla dungeons take like 1-2 hours but in tbc people obviously were spamming the shit out of them if we had the numbers it would be comparable even though it’s way less of a hamster wheel than mythic plus and if we included levelling dungeons for both version classic probably easily triples retail

>>746806719
Lost technology

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Next TurtleWow when?

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>>746802343
>no changes but change this and this and this

>>746774783
They're going to add woke shit into classic, more black and asian guards and characters, more gay and trans characters, quests that explain to us how to have the right values, the values of woke.

>>746786823
sex with big tauren ladies

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>>746774783
It's going to be some kind of godless Classic/Retail hybrid. With the dev time they spent on it, it has to turn a profit, and there's no way to make a profit with the standard Classic model. This is going to be their attempt to get new players and retail whales to play "classic" while all the actual Classic players will hate it.

Mark my words.

>>746783331
>The difficulty came largely from how hard it was to get good gear.
and from people running the game sub 30 fps, and lag, and people just being clueless fucks clicking abilities and wasd turning

>>746807368
>This is going to be their attempt to get new players and retail whales to play "classic"
they already did that to normal classic by putting in pets and mounts and boosts and wow token

>>746807426
That's all short term stuff. None of those people actually stick around for Classic, they play the launch hype, get their pet/mount, and stop playing after a month.

>>746807368
Why would blizz want people playing classic, when retail is where all the pets and mounts and cosmetics and expansion box costs are?
Classic is just a side gig to pull people away from private servers.

yes

>>746807598
It's not going to be a real "classic", it will be a classic flavored retail. And the reason is always just money, they just want another avenue of spending. Retail is currently impenetrable to a new player, and Classic is too slow for the modern retard, so this "Classic+" will be their way to trying to attract new players to the game.

>>746807875
>they just want another avenue of spending
Unless they plan on charging a box cost, or stuffing "classic+" full of store mounts/pets, then it's not going to be another avenue of spending. Classic only has the monthly sub and nothing else.

What I'm hoping for:
>a "what if the dark portal never opened" diverging of timeline/lore that expands upon Eastern Kingdoms / Kalimdor, and keeps the game design closer to SoD phase 1 / 2, just some light changes kinda similar to TBC
What I'm expecting:
>SoD phase 7 class design, full-on "retail minus" garbage, more recycled assets and re-used locations, with a skeleton crew dev team that doesn't communicate with the playerbase and only fixes/changes things once every 2-3 months

>>746807990
It's not Classic, that's what I'm saying you retard.

>>746774783
> made by the same people who made retail

yeh its probably gonna suck, will be fun for the first 2 months while everyone is leveling tho, will resub for atleast the start. I still have fond memories from 2019 classic launch

>>746808159
Retail- IS what classic+ is on private servers thoughever

>>746808291
turtle at least tried to remain mostly vanilla-like, even if lots of its changes were dumb and badly implemented

>>746776986
Yeah, that's what people want... more niggers and browns.

>>746785590
I call people faggots and retards all the time on non retail servers, still no mute, warning, or ban.

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>>746776435
WoW will never be on consoles
it has been 22 years, let it go
>muh no addons
You're free to disable all addons if you want to use Blizzard's shitty barebones UI. Stop trying to force your autism on everyone else.

>>746808748
Addons ruined WoW for sure, remove it for classic+ to make it better.

>>746808824
>Addons ruined WoW
....so it was ruined from the moment it released? because vanilla was full of addons and the addon API was significantly more open back then

>>746808824
>being able to customize your UI ruined wow
>being able to see lots of important info that is completely hidden from the normal UI ruined wow
casualbab detected

>>746808903
Took a while for it to become a problem IIRC. Hell even thottbot made it worse. Digging into files etc. made it worse. Mystery is good, keep information hidden so people can have their crazy theories instead of everything being in the open and boring.

>>746783331
>shitty quests with unreasonably low drop rates
fuck you
>Gathering nodes that are shared instead of being individual for each player
fuck you
>having to create groups by spamming chats
fuck you
>having to travel to fucking dungeons
fuck you
>unreasonably long cooldowns. (mostly annoying while raiding)
fuck you

faggots like you are the reason why retail wow exists and why modern mmos suck dick.
>GIVE IT TO ME NOW, I WANT IT NOW. GIVE ME GIVE ME NOW!!!! RESPECT MY TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Am going to wait for the next expansion "WoW-Classic,THIS TIME FOR REAL"

>>746809074
>dood keep everything secret so we can make up stupid fanfiction theories
Brown.

>>746809095
Those people will never understand how limitations and flaws create character and makes games better

It's why broodwar is much better than sc2 as well, but they'll never get it.

>>746808824
>>746809074
The Auction House literally exists because of Addons.

>>746783331
>>shitty quests with unreasonably low drop rates
"wahh I want it now now now"
retail, go back
>Unviable builds
Everything was viable. The game was balanced around questing and 5mans, not raids.
>3 items dropping from a 40 man raid boss
yeah because all 40 people in a raid are going to be rolling on plate armor or a ranged weapon, right?
>8 debuff limit on a boss for 40 people
Was increased to 16 after a few patches, but even with no debuff limit, nothing really changes class balance wise.
>Gathering nodes that are shared instead of being individual for each player
Yeah. Deal with it.
>having to create groups by spamming chats
>having to travel to fucking dungeons
god forbid you have to travel the world in an MMO
god forbid you have to talk to other players in an MMO
>unreasonably long cooldowns
god forbid very powerful spells have long cooldowns
>Ragnaros, the big bad of Vanilla, knocked back, summoned adds and became immune.
And randomly nuked people in an aoe so you had to spread out
And had a threat drop mechanic so melee had to be careful on threat
And hit for fire damage so you needed fire resist sets on the tanks

it's always the faggots who never actually played vanilla that shitpost about bosses having "1 mechanic". Even the very first boss of MC has four mechanics lmao
>I want some roguelike bullshit
Then play some roguelike bullshit, not a 20 year old MMORPG.

>>746809195
this
vanilla has lots of "struggle" to it, it's weird and janky and badly designed but that just makes it much more satisfying to overcome challenges in spite of the limited design
modern WoW is way too streamlined and handholdy, there's no challenge whatsoever until max level heroic/mythic raids; everything below that is piss easy retard handhold difficulty where it's nearly impossible to fail

>>746809549
Shut up the game was just designed like shit.

It'll actually be a prequel. I don't know if that information made it to /v/ yet. But Blizzard is obviously not going to rewrite the expansion areas and lore and all that.
What they're doing is instead of going forward is going backward. Though it's unclear how much work is really being done, they might just move things around and edit the current game world.

It'd be much nicer if they just remade everything but I don't know, I'm not playing it either way, I don't play subscription live-service anymore.

>>746774783
cl*ssic in general sucks so it fits

>>746776435
>nigger wants to pay 3 subs to play one game online

>>746785947
no it's good design

people who are incredibly stupid always bring up some streamer opinion and then say "that's bad game design." hybrid tax is good game design and you're a retard if you think otherwise. Every single class being the exact same is what's actually bad game design

>>746774783
Of course it will. NuBlizzard is making it. They don't have the talent to make anything good anymore.

>>746774783
It doesn't matter if Blizzard managed to make it good, the community will make sure the player experience will be shit.

>>746809409
Hyping addons is really just making excuses for blizzard when you think about it.

>>746810292
The leaked color palette icons was shown to match Warcraft 1 box colors

>>746806873
OctoWoW is in beta right now, but its the same game as Turtle WoW

>Steal from the private servers you shut down
>Have no private servers to cheat off of anymore
>Fails with no updates
>"See? You thought you wanted it but you don't!"

Classic Plus wont have world bosses and is gonna use the "Lair system" so basically one mand raids scattered across the map

>>746810292
And other than it being a prequel, I haven't believed any rumours, though I do think it makes a lot of sense the rumours that Blizzard has wanted to make a sequel to WoW for a decade. Again Blizzard has openly said they hate that the game is called world of WARcraft, they have said they just want to log in an play with their kids.
They turned modern wow into the game they want as much as they can, and they know trying to replace wow would fail.
However, it makes perfect sense that they achieve their dream by going into all new territory with WoW.

A prequel as people have pointed out means the Horde probably isn't going to be playable, and that would be great for the kind of game Blizzard wants.

>>746810961
What pushed me to cancel my sub was those blizzard subhumans continuously breaking addons on classic era, even though isn't supposed to change at all.

I've seen a lot of wow players try osrs and my only observation is wow players are shockingly retarded

>>746810961
>When SoD got revealed and everyone, including the shill content creators, where pointing out how everything was from Ascension

>>746811173
Yes I agree playing osrs in 2026 is probably the most retarded decision one could make.

>>746811320
Can't be worse than playing wow in any form in 2026

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>>746776335
I have no hope after seeing what they did to retail
>xal'atath has just fucked off for the expansion
>the story is anyone who doesn't want open borders is literally hitler and we must kill them
>zul'jan receives a vision of his people being killed if he opens the gate
>even acknowledges the vision
>opens it anyway then immediately "woooow how was I supposed to know they were evil and going to kill my people!?"
>just fucking dies telling a woman she's far superior
they've got an agenda and it becomes more and more obvious each patch that only the women are competent, only women can rule, no one is allowed to be racist or sexist or homophobic or say they hate open borders
ironforge already opened itself to the troggs, next silvermoon will open to the scourge and the exodar will be open to the eredar

>>746811320
I watched a super ultra retarded wow player literally fail to understand the compass and map in runescape. For hours.

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>>746802349
That website was peak soul

>>746799038
they would play loads. you could get into a battleground at any level bracket within like 5 minutes. You had duelling clubs outside major cities and even at certain questing hubs. If anything people played the game more back then, they just didnt like playing raids because raids really werent that fun. The #1 reason people even went into raids was to get the gear so they could lord it over other people in different content.

Millennials don't want to admit it, but MMOs are dying for good. They are being replaced by live service games like GTA online type games

>>746774783
The biggest problem is that the OG community has gone and they're never coming back and if they did they'd get banned.
You have to just accept that it's dead an move on.

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>>746774783
there are 1,000,000 ways to hype the project, like do hilarious yet lore accurate race additions, NAGA & OGRE & Murloc, make 3rd faction.

WATCH THESE NIGGERS INTENTIONALLY SABOTAGE THE COMMUNITY WANTS WHILE LYING THEIR ASS OFF AND PRETEND THEY DID

>>746774783
are they really rebooting classic again?

>>746774783
It's not going to exist.

>>746813237
>story driven content
done better with single player co-op games
>gameplay
done better with any other type of game
>competitive PvP
done better with shooters - RTS - MOBAS, or anything built around pvp first concept

>open world PvP
done better with survival crafting games
>roleplaying
done better with single player RPGs
>social experience
every game has discord servers now. also multiplayer survival crafting exists
>sense of accomplishment and character progression
short MOBA games compact a lot of it into their short games. Also survival crafting games.

MOBAs are outdated. Amazon should have let the primary New World game designer make the game he wanted instead of trying to cater to the autistic and retarded carebears that wanted the game to be like every other MMO that came before it.

>>746814629
>MOBAs are outdated
i meant MMOs.
fuck MOBAs too though

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I highly doubt that it'll come out any time soon. It makes no sense to cannibalize TBC Anniversary when it's so popular and likely heading into another WotlK boom cycle
But then again maybe Blizzard really is that retarded

>>746814629
I think MOBAs got replaced by all these looter shooters and action team games like overwatch or marvel rivals. I don't play any of these types of games but they today there are so many types of games where you can have these "rolls" and special abilities in pvp type games

>>746813237
>GTA online
Nigger slop, you're generation is browner so that must be why.

OG MMOs are the only games out there that doesn't feel like mobile/mini game.

>>746814708
It's pretty crazy how popular TBC Anni has been. There's a ton of people in my guild who just bought boosts and then never logged in again. WotLK Anni is just free money for them.

>>746815049
I'm a millennial. Grew up on games like SWG and vanilla WoW. I'm just saying all that shit is dead. I tried to get back into classic TBC and everyone who plays is a boosting, gold buying fag now that just parses. The servers are overrun by bots and gold farmers. It's over. I played classic in 2019 and any of the oldfags that played MMOs and returned are filtered out by now. Playing private servers of any MMO is full of the same type of fags as well. They are troon cesspools.

>>746774783
it does not matter if it's crap or not, you're still going to buy it. Wow is a game many of you have played for 20 years, you have ignored your real life to invest thousands of hours into this fake online life, to the point you have no outside life worth a damn anyway.

The game is literally all you have, and since there is no comparable mmorpg you can swap to this is all you have left.

This is why so many wow players are begging for the riot mmo to be good and still be in production.

>>746815118
People who say they are stopping classic after MoP are fucking retarded. Blizz makes so much money off these boost bundles that they'll never stop releasing classic versions.

>>746815359
this guy definitely got gkicked for standing in the fire too many times

>>746815720
they literally wont stop at all. blizzcucks are some of the most bizarre animals on the planet. they defy all logic. they will make shadowlands classic and these actual bottom feeders will fucking play it.

>>746816873
If SL Classic had all the QoL stuff from the final patch it wouldn't be as bad. It would still be bad, but not 'everyone quit the game in the middle of covid' bad.

>>746815790
no I got gkicked for antisemitism twice

The first iteration of classic was fun for 3 months or so, as a casual i've hopped into a pvp-RP server(which filter out zoomercleavers and most minmaxers) and it indeed was the right choice
But i can't imagine playing it over and over again, is that what classic players have been doing for the past 5 years?

I'd love to murder every single classic andy and hang their mutitlated corpses outside blizz HQ.

>>746817370
That is exactly why everyone wants a "classic+" to mix things up. People have gotten bored of playing the same thing over and over.

ppc in the lair my littol piece of shitto

I'm hopeful but realistically I'll pay for one month, get sick of bots, and quit again

>>746815661
Most people who play this game are dads now, it’s just a normal game people have been playing COD on and off for a decade+ too

>>746818002
Regardless of how it turns out I'm also still gonna play for at least a month. fresh servers are always fun.

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>>746777328
>TurtleWoW was good
Turtle custom content ranked, going by only new zones/dungeons/raids:
>frostmane hollow - better than RFC, nothing special
>windhorn canyon - overtuned as fuck and way too long, nice visuals though
>dragonmaw retreat- LBRS but twice as long, snorefest if you aren't there for dragonmaw set
>crescent grove - utter dogshit, just a giant area with mobs all over the place
>Stormwrought Ruins - Pretty awesome, music is great, loot is amazing, only downside is that the second half really drags on
>gilneas city - SFK 2.0, but lamer and no memorable bosses
>Hateforge Quarry - bland and forgettable
>Karazhan Crypts - Alright, SoD did it better
>Stormwind Vault - Alright, could have been cooler
>Black Morass - better than the TBC version at least
>Lower Kara - worse than TBC Kara
>Emerald Sanctum - who cares
>Kara40 - TBC Kara did it better
>Timbermaw Hold - actually really cool

>lapidis/gilijim isles - utter dogshit map design, insane mob density, ridiculous amounts of swimming, just awful
>northwind - pretty cozy besides the overtuned elite quests
>balor - pretty nice as horde, sucks ass as alliance, felt like the devs just wanted to inconvenience alliance players as much as possible by putting their only access onto the mainland be through a fucking ravine filled with coyotes
>grim reaches - pretty nice, has good music, only downside is the elite quests are way overtuned and basically need a near full party
>tel'abim - monkey ludokino
>hyjal - barely even a zone, just has a bunch of high level demons and barely anything else, really annoying trek up to the main town
>moonwhisper coast - best custom zone by a mile, genuinely very well done

>>746814225
>>746814453
Its getting announced at Blizzcon the following weekend

>>746818240
No, they absolutely are not. The vast majority have no kids, no wife, no gf. They gave up everything in real life for the game.

The only dads either quit and came back to it, are streamers, or are casual and barely play.

>>746792853
https://youtu.be/Falm0H7VEiQ?t=182

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>>746779176
I can't believe this big green monster fucker who's allianced with other monsters would say something so misogynistic?! WTF!

>>746810292
I do think the changes will be significant, otherwise people will just go back to their actual Classic characters they invested all their time into after a couple months like SoD

Wow is not for people that have lives, it's made for people who do not. The amount of time the game takes, the sub model is all built at people who are going to put all their time into the game.

People with lives play single player games, or something else that is actually entertaining for the limited free time you have. Wow isn't built around fun, it's built around fake accomplishments to trigger dopamine. Like 1/100 drop rates on mounts in simple dungeons.

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>>746774783
I played classic with a friend who played way back when. I only played it a bit and dropped it back in vanilla, anyway who gives a shit. Dude went full sweatlord and grinded day and night to hit 60. If that's the majority of the people that will come to play classic+, it will turn into a meme faster than classic did.

>>746818889
This. its like, do people not remember Asmongold? literally a disgusting necrotic ghoul hoarder who lives in a rotten moldy attic in some ancient shithole house in texas surrounded by dead insects and moldy takeout.

>>746818603
pick one:

Vanilla raids are very hard and the pinnacle example of player skill in MMOs
OR
Vanilla raids are dogshit easy and the reason only 1% of the player base got into nax was because they didnt care enough to commit.

let the cope flow i guess.

>>746818240
This is the mindset of some of the developers, they think they have armies of dads playing and it's just not true at all. They fundamentally do not understand the game, and how much time it demands to play.

>>746819174
my choice
vanilla raids are fun and thats why a significant amount of the playerbase engaged with them

>>746819297
>thats why a significant amount of the playerbase engaged with them
most went for the loot. raiod loot was like 5 times better than epics you got from questing and doing the quests for epics took like 10x the effort than simply showing up to a raid and getting 3-4 epics in an hour because you got carried.

im playing on octowow and its great, they ban bots and goldbuyers, which is something blizzard will never ever do

>>746809095
>>746809195
>These retards unironically want their time wasted.
I think it's time to kill yourselves, fellas. Also: not wanting your time wasted =/= getting everything for free.
Needing 4 zhevra hooves and taking 2 hours to do that fucking retarded quest because of drop rates isn't a limitation or flaw that makes the game better. You wouldn't change counter strike weapons to not do damage 40% of the time, and say "Wow, this flaw really makes the game unique and good!"You would fucking riot.
The same with fucking LFG. Spamming hours in chat to find a god damn fucking group is ASS. It's not good. It doesn't make a good MMO that a % of players, spends hours looking for a group, doesn't find one, and then has to stop playing without doing the dungeon. All these things, if they were not in the base game, fucking NO ONE would suggest to patch them in. You only like them because you're nostalgia fags.
Imagine if the game had always well balanced classes, and good loot. If someone suggested: "Hey, how about we change over half of the spec in the game to be unplayable dogshit?" What why? "And then we make it so that these giant 40 man bosses, instead of dropping a reasonable amount of loot, they drop 3 items. And some of them are gonna be cloth items with strength, or other stats that just absolutely do nothing for anyone who can wear it. Oh and sometimes we'll just drop shit for classes that don't even exist on your faction!".
Wanting this shit back is pure retardation.

Fuck Blizzard...i hate that they're killing my sever on Acension.

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>>746774783
>So shit at making games they have to rip off codes from private troons and autists
What the fuck did you expect?

>>746776435
>console support
>no addons have fun ripping threat and killing the whole raid anon
rip you dick off and take a toaster bath, now

>>746809549
>Everything was viable. The game was balanced around questing and 5mans, not raids.
So you see, It was viable, from a certain point of view! LMAO get fucked idiot. Yeah, it's cool to be 5man balanced, But 1: by NO fucking means were all specs viable. You could bring a Balance Druid or a Retribution Paladin to a 5man, but they were getting carried.
Plus: it doesn't fucking matter. Once raids were part of the game, it is meaningless to say "it's viable because it's balanced around 5man content" Well, people wanna do the 40 man content. You know, the shit that's on the banner of every major patch? That's part of the game. You don't get to just pretend that major part of the game doesn't exists and therefore it's balanced.
>yeah because all 40 people in a raid are going to be rolling on plate armor or a ranged weapon, right?
Of course it would be WORSE if every single boss, had 1 item that every single one of 40 raid members needs. But just because you can imagine a loot system even worse, doesn't mean that 3-6 items on a 40 man boss is enough. That's not enough items, any way you slice it.
>but even with no debuff limit, nothing really changes class balance wise.
Clearly you have never been told: "Okay, you, you and you, you can't use your dot skills because we're at the debuff limit, and if you knock off sunder armor I'm gonna knock off your life". It's not just a balance issue, it's an issue of "If you bring too many dot classes some of them plain don't get to play and that's retarded" issue.
>god forbid you have to talk to other players in an MMO
I love talking to people in an MMO. I don't like spending hours trying to PLAY an MMO. Because it's badly designed.
>god forbid very powerful spells have long cooldowns
Having "You can use it once per fight" cooldowns is fine. Having hour long cooldowns that means you can use it on one try, and then not any more, is fucking retarded.