Fighting games are only fun in person.

>>747046753
Too expensive for the little amount of content you get. Everyone I know who was interested in it lost interest the second they saw the price tag

>>747046753
10 year support btw

lol
lmao

Sony absolutely destroyed their core audience, only normalfags are left now, if your game isn't a gun and ball its gonna flop

>>747047026
This, and the issues on pc introduced by overly agressive anti piracy measures that still aren't fixed as far as I know certainly doesn't help.

no one would like this if it was good because then it would be bad

No honoka
No buy

Same reason 2XKO failed. The Fighting Game genre is completey absolutely and irrevocably dead besides extremely long established IPs that only gets by through nostalgia value and even then they are far from strong sellers

Creating any "new IP" in that genre is a guaranteed flop

Fighting games should be made exclusively for casuals button mashing in local multiplayer, comp autism killed the genre

>>747047319
You just need a story mode and appealing artstyle. If Skullgirls came out today, it would do fine.

Didn’t it launch with like five characters

Tekken 1

Tekken ONE on the ps ONE had twice that

Like fuck you too Sony

>tranime AND capeshit
snoy degeneracy nos no bounnds

>>747046753
Let's see...

>Launched right after Sony announced disks will be gone
>PC port is absolute dogshit AND forces players to use PSN account.
>Game itself is OK but nothing special, UMvC3 still plays better.
>Expensive

>>747046753
Tokon DEEZ NUTZ!

>>747047319
Marvel isn't a long established IP?

>>747046753
Because it's very fucking bad
I can't think of anything other than the VISUAL design of the characters that isn't fucking awful in the game

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>>747046753
>$60 for a fighting game

>>747047706
>Because it's very fucking bad
How so?

2D tag fighter. If they made something like MK, with its story and single player content, more people would have bought it. At least a fraction of the MCU crowd would've been there for it. They didn't even try to synergize it with the new spider-man movie.

>>747047236
what

>>747047857
MK is dogshit

>>747046753
I think it sold pretty well on console, PC port was deliberately sabotaged by Sony but it's been fixed by now. But I worry for the future of this game, the next DLC character is fucking Phoenix Cyclops, that's not going to pull in anyone.

>>747048092
MK9 and X are better than your favorite game.

>>747048141
LMAOOOOOOO

>>747048140
The only chance the game has is if they release the promoter as a free character at the same time as Cyclops and fix literally everything that is still fucked.

>>747046753
Its a lot of fun
But I'm a casual so I hopped off when I noticed I was fighting the same 2 guys over and over again a few days ago

Hope whoever's in charge pulls their head out of their ass and update/fix it soon, I'd like to play it one last time

>60 dollars
>game you have to train at
>thatll probably be dead within a month
>now I gotta go on discord to find other players
it just isnt worth it, I wish it was because Id like to play it.
>anticheat that makes your computer have a stroke
nvm never happening.

>>747046753
Because they had to reinvent the wheel instead of releasing a simple 1v1 fighter game.

>>747046753
It's a fight game that's not called either Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, or Tekken.
It's a miracle fightan games still exist at all. There is no space for new games in this small niche. You had to be there 30 years ago or you might as well not exist.

Why would it have possibly succeeded? Its not SF or Tekken, so its going to die by default unless its so impressive looking it gets the strive audience, which it is not.
SF and Tekken can get away with near endless scummery and bad choices because the fans have no standards. Strive less so.
If you are playing other fights, standards exist. Day 1 dlc season pass is something they see SF do and think they can do, but its not. It just means no one buys your game. You're not SF. Tekken. Strive. And you're DEFINITELY not MK.

>>747046753
A game for no one.
Sony forgot that post-Endgame Marvel fans shitposts way more than they consume its products.
And I really doubt it will get any support beyond 2027.

>>747052178
>Sony forgot that post-Endgame Marvel fans shitposts way more than they consume its products.
The new Spiderman movie is the third highest grossing movie in human history.

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>>747046753
Tagslop
Too expensive (+future DLC (powercrept))
Arcsys is washed
Big hype but suboptimal cast
But most importantly:
Tagslop

>>747046753
PSN requirement made it a hard pass for me.
Not sure how many other people that covered, but hey.

>>747052970
I skipped it because it was so unearthly expensive for something that is predictably going to be ridden with DLC on top of it, didnt even know about the goystation account until right now
But even if it was at a reasonable price, goystation account is a hard no from me

>>747046753
>PSN required
You know why

>>747046753
>Unattractive character designs and roster
>Needlessly complicated controls trying to appeal to casuals that will drop it a month after launch
>Fucked PC launch

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>>747046753

https://blog.playstation.com/2026/09/04/playstation-store-august-2026s-top-downloads/

>>747046753
stupid name

>>747053875
Don't know why companies are still delusional enough to make tag fighters, let a lone a fucking 4v4 one this time. When I see an image like that all I think of is I'll need to know 8 different matchups before I can feel like i'm properly in control of the match, and that's a big ask even for someone that plays fighting games a lot.

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>>747053931
Less than Tekken 8 btw
Less than Tekken 7 btw
Less than Avatar btw

>>747054000
see
>>747053931

>>747046753
List of stuff that doesn't work properly despite weekly patches claiming to have done something:

- Broken matchmaking sometimes you are stuck waiting 10 minutes to find a match
- Broken input reader failing to recognize half your stuff
- Broken PC port all of Sony's malware makes your CPU overheat which can't be fixed

On top of a $60-$70 niche fighting game with bare bones singleplayer content

>>747047163
this

>>747054018
Love how you refuse to post console player numbers.

>>747054038
mogged by pretentious friendslop

>>747054018
>EU hours steamcharts
>lying about Tokon being less than avatar
Lol
>>747054068
PC port is fixed if you don't have a potato. Matchmaking is fixed as well

>>747054123
By that logic so is every other game on Steam.

>>747053931
Doomerfags btfo

Uhh let's see
>got traction at the same time with other marvel vs capcom mimics were announced
>already going down the path of dlcs+season passes and patches so the game never is 'complete'
>learning curve will trigger newfags
It'll be like Rivals how everyone acted as if they were fans of Marvel comics and then drop it once the game has not much to offer on the trend side

>>747046753
The name is horrible.
They ruined the marvel ip with their faggy designs.
They used fag tier mcu esque characters.
The story presentation is the most bare bones budget bullshit, single panel comic book stills.

The game is bad from top to bottom.

>>747054018
Tekken is the second most popular fighting game series of all time, pretty bizarre to make fun of a new series for not being as popular. The Avatar part is just a flat out lie too.

>>747054121
You gotta be coping if you expect more on console

>>747054332
75% of the sales were on console and the PC port was fucked on launch so yes.

>>747054332
You're the one coping, Sony is a gun and ball machine and Tokon still sold more than black ops 2 being re-released in North America

>>747054309
First month numbers being lower than decade old multiple Mortal Kombats is bad in a vacuum.

It'll continue to bleed players ending up at couple hundred daily peak this year.

>>747054257
>They used fag tier mcu esque characters.
Ah yes such popular MCU characters like Champion, Carnage, Mrs Marvel Magik and Ghost rider...

>>747046753
active tag
simple as

>>747054463
Game has a season pass coming out as well as balance updates and they're the things to bump up player numbers for every fighting game. Utterly delusional to think it will have a daily oeak of a couple hundred.

>>747054463
Love how you desperately dropped the sales argument and are now resorting "well it's not as big as MORTAL FUCKING KOMBAT so it's bad!". Fucking hell do you suck at arguing, mate. Embarrassing.

>>747046960
True, when you have a friend/bro/whatever who comes over to play with you Fighting games are a great time.

When its you alone vs randos online its fucking miserable. Fighting games are only enjoyable when you're playing against someone with whom you've developed some level of rapport, when you lose you laugh it off and eagerly anticipate the next match, you develop comradery, you laugh when he catches you in that same frametrap for the third time in the match, no one can blame lag or shitty netcode or matchmaking, because its just you and your bro.

All of this is gone when you play online, nothing about it is enjoyable, the anonymity saps what little enjoyment you get from victory. Leaderboards are a poor replacement for in-person competition.

If it sold well on playstation, there would be no issues with matchmaking on PC since you'd be able to play with console players. Shit flopped everywhere for a variety of reasons. Shitty small roster and honestly the game is simply not that fun to play, it's too fast and mashy. Devs trying to recreate the "WHEN's MARVEL" hype are chasing an audience that doesn't exist anymore. If 2xko failed, then there is no hope for Tokon. This game is simply worse in every regard.

>>747054582
Everything you said also applies to COTW and that game still dropped to a few hundred players, and that game is actually considered great and doesn't have catastrophic reviews on Steam like Tokon mind you.

>>747054748
>there would be no issues with matchmaking on PC
False, there were matchmaking issues even on day 1, that's completely besides the player count.

>>747054582
Lost like 90%-95% of players after 4 weeks. Wrong to assume trend will continue? Updates spike briefly but it never lasts with those games

>>747054798
There's too many servers and the already small audience is spread thin, it's as simple as that.

no one gives a shit about latinx rider arcsyster

>>747054748
>If 2xko failed, then there is no hope for Tokon. This game is simply worse in every regard.
2xko for free is a better product than Tokon for $70 that's how rough Tokon situation is

>>747054872
How do you know? Tekken was way bigger than Tokon yet Tekken 7 only has half the players Tokon does and has no matchmaking issues.

>>747054889
see
>>747053931

>>747046753
poorly optimized, bad singleplayer, messy chaotic visuals, 30 second combos -> bad reviews from casuals

tag fighter, clunky to play, no neutral, 30 second combos -> bad reviews from fgc

>>747054758
SNK games are never popular to begin with. They fucked over any customer goodwill over the course of multiple games, with Samsho being on the fucking Stadia before Steam and Kof 15 matchmaking being broken for a year. Also the Fatal Fury franchise was dormant for decades. I'm sure there are people who think Terry and Mai come from KOF still. COTW got better as time went on and it's genuinely a great game but it had a lot going against it. Tokon has Arcsys gooddwill with their visual fidelity for games and the Marvel IP carrying the game. The main grievances online with the drm are people upset they can't play the game. That's a difference to people who don't care for COTW

>>747055024
Now post MCU latinx rider actor shilling this arcsyster slop like how MCU F4 and MCU Winter Soldier actors shilled Marvel Rivals.

>>747053931
>August

>>747054974
I played the game and saw the list of servers to select from, there are 10. Afaik Tekken uses p2p so you can connect with anybody all around the globe.

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>>747054947
>2xko for free is a better product than Tokon for $70
You can't be serious

>>747053931
Doesn't mean jack shit, first of all it didn't reach top 3, and secondly it matters more how long a game stays in the top.

>>747055309
They released Samsho on Stadia and then the director said a PC platform offered an exclusivity deal but they rejected it because they thought the game would sell hundreds of thousands of copies. Then 6 months later they announced the PC version was going to be epic exclusive.

>>747054807
Drop off was crazy
Marvel alone is enough to make a game succeed how did they fumble this bad

>>747054473
Nta, but miss Marvel is peak mcu faggotry.

>>747055392
Can you? At least 2xko has neutral, Tokon is just diarrhea both visually and input wise.

>>747053931
nice first 4 days sales statistics how insecure must one be about their flop
>>747055547
this

>>747046753
Because it's Marvel vs Capcom minus Capcom.

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>>747046753
3 Main things.

1.PC port was bloatware that had anti-cheat and DRM more hardware demanding than the game itself that made the game borderline unplayable on most PCs and if you did try and play online while the game struggle to keep 60 fps you would make the online match unplayable this in turn made the Sony audience block cross platy makign the game even worse on PC for people that could acualy run the game. (for reference the cracked version of the game wo most of the bloatware could run on 6 or older year old PCs at 60 fps) so most people skipped or refunded the PC version. PC makes up like 30% of a fighting games sales at this point so this was a huge blow.

2.PS5 exclusive no Switch 2 port and Japan basically abandoned the PS5 so the game sold like shit in Japan. And considering the pirated version of the game can run at 60 fps on old ass PCs a Switch 2 port would have ran fine.

3.Game is a long ass combo tag fighter. Which is the same reason why 2XKO also failed to become popular. People are already figuring out optimal strategies meaning the game is now 2-3 touch to kill per round the game. And most people dont like fighting games that boil down to just spending 90% of the match in 10+ seconds in block strings or 10+ seconds in combos.

>>747055309
Nonsense, it wouldn't have excellent steam reviews otherwise, unlike Tokon.

>>747055630
I don't think anyone would genuinely prefer Tokon 1.0 over 2xko if both had no IP attached to them

>>747055630
Riotfag detected, opinion discarded.

>>747055359
Cope, you got proven wrong.

>>747054807
You can hate Tokoncs gameplay and visuals but as a product it's not less than 2XKO. They gave away a skin for free the other week while riot was charging 100 bucks for cosmetics alone

>>747055547
>>747055686
Game was the 2nd most downloaded game for the month of August on playstation you fucking retards

>>747046753
>Sony pissing on their audience again
>PC version sucks
>Game is simultaneously for babies and degenerate tag slop
>Only a couple of characters allowed to have real mixups - surprise, they're all high tier
>System bloat

It was more fun than I expected but that wore off quickly.

>>747055815
You think people are playing SF 6 and Tekken 8 without their IP's? Retarded post.

>>747055870
>They gave me a free skin on top of my $60 game take this free game with free dlc characters but expensive skins
Holy shit what a retard. You got a free 2xko skin each season too

>>747055941
Doesn't matter if it can't retain players.
>>747055831
I don't even play any Riot games, but conversing with a Marvelfag is a waste of time anyway.

>>747046753
maybe there's too many fighters for people to invest their time in?
reminds me of cliffyb saying most people pick 2 or 3 shooters a year and stick with those, he had hopes his multiplayer game would be one of them but it flopped.

On top of the completely fucked launch, tag fighters are inherently gay and not fun to play. Normal people already don't want to play fighting games, so forcing them to learn 4 characters minimum and have the gameplay either be complete multi assist vomit or nonstop 10-30 second blockstrings and combos aren't fun. Doesn't help we got like 3 tag fighters launched within a years timespan.

>>747047619
"Marvel vs Capcom" is a long established IP in the fighting game scene. "Marvel Tokon" isn't.

>>747056017
2XKO launched with less characters that you had to earn to unlock or buy to unlock instantly with no single player content at all.

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Yooo a thread celebrating Tokon's death

negative reviews and low playernumbers are justified

>>747056380
I'm talking about Marvel itself. MVC wouldn't be as popular if it weren't for the brands you know, and the new Spiderman movie grossing 2.4 billion shows they still have an audience.

The game could have been the best fighting game ever created and I still wouldn't give money to sony + woke system works, maybe one of them but certainty not both of them at the same time.

Its general dying on /vg/ and finding most of those posters in /fgg/ is grim.

>>747055630
2XKO had literally nothing on "release"

>>747046753
It's a technical mess. I saw a guy hosting a small casual tournament and his fucking game crashed by just trying to spectate the matches and he was on ps5 so you can't really say "oh well the pc version was sabotaged because of sony" because they're both bad. It's just a fucking mess and in typical fighting game fashion, it takes ages to update and get fixed. So people just fuck off instead.

>>747056547
>Tfw I did nothing, again.

:)

>>747056380
Be real, basically no one really cares about capcom IPs, Capcom is borrowing tons of Aura from Marvel, they got top billing for a reason, every kid in the world knows spiderman, wolverine, ironman, captain america, hulk, thor, magnito, ect. You ask randos on the street and maybe 1 in 50 might be able to identify Leon, Dante, or Ryu, yet every single one will be able to name spidey, wolvey, and cap.

>>747046753
Fighters are a PC genre now and the PC port is still dog shit.

>>747057858
>Watch any online tournament
>PC is banned because of 8fr one sided rollback
>Players have to join lobby, play one game, leave, and rejoin or everything will break
>long sets literally have players leave and return 10 times

>>747055743
>for reference the cracked version of the game wo most of the bloatware could run on 6 or older year old PCs at 60 fps
My gen 2 i7 and gtx970 run it at locked 60 with slight overclocks

>avatar comes out
>it's completely fucked because they forced it to be pushed up when they pushed the movie release date up
>Tokon comes out
>it's completely fucked because they were forced to push the release date up because of the spiderman movie and to get it away from gta

The comic says the game was supposed to come out in the fall.

>>747054018
24k peak is actually good, chud! Indies would KILL to get those numbers!

>>747055743
>3.Game is a long ass combo tag fighter. Which is the same reason why 2XKO also failed to become popular. People are already figuring out optimal strategies meaning the game is now 2-3 touch to kill per round the game. And most people dont like fighting games that boil down to just spending 90% of the match in 10+ seconds in block strings or 10+ seconds in combos.

It's this. Optimization issues can be fixed, platform extensions can be added. The core gameplay being 2-3 touch kills and 30-40 seconds at a time of watching your opponent do his bnbs if you get touched does not make for a fun game.
At least with DBFZ if took a good amount of time before people really optimized the fun out of the game, but this took like a week or two before people realized how utterly broken the delay tag system combined with wall splats are.
It's even worse when you consider that every single character has the exact same bnb that can do 40-60% of your hp. Yeah, some characters have different starts for it, or there's more optimal routes, but it's literally just l.m.h.2h.h.h.tag.h.h.swap and then you repeat it 2 more times if you have the assist gauge and end it with a super.

I've watched a fuckload of tournaments and high tier play out of fighting games for decades now, and I have NEVER seen a game come anywhere close to the amount of Perfects I saw out of the CEO Tokon tournament a couple weeks back. Even the best of the best of the best pros in the world at fighting games are getting perfected because it really is 2-3 taps and you're dead. Hell just mashing light and doing the auto combo does ~30% damage. The game is utterly fucked

>>747047742
>active tag
>3 assists with low cool downs
>small stages
>30 second combos
>defensive mechanics lead you back into offense instead of neutral
>screen clutter
>awful balancing
>10 second block strings
>terrible input reader
these are the issues upstream, now imagine the further effects downstream in gameplay

>>747047742
Its a fighter with a high skill floor and a low skill ceiling leading to a game with almost zero skill expression between the worst and best players, its makes for a boring fighting game. A game can survive with one or the other, but you can't have both.

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>>747058596
Its because long ass combos are actually easy to do.
It took me like 10 minutes in training mode to figure out 70% hp damage combos.
High level play is not doing long combos but being godlike at landing the hit that leads in to the 60%+ damage combo.

Its why top tiers dont have the best tools or the best damage they just have the best block string mixups.

>>747055869
Thanks for admitting no one gives a shit about latinx rider arcsysta. Now sit back and wait for Ryan Gosling shill Marvel Rivals as MCU Ghost Rider actor.

>>747058750
>>defensive mechanics lead you back into offense instead of neutral
Not to mention the timing window for reflect is so wide that anyone halfway decent will hit them way more often than not. At best you neutral out, at worst they perfect it and you're still stuck on the defensive except now you're fucked without your assist gauge.

>>747054257
>>747053815
This is the best these characters have ever looked. It's no comparison.

>>747055309
As a SNKfag, their recent games always become really good after two or three years, but the state of their games on release is always fucking terrible.

If they can't fix the PC version why not put it on sale at least?

>>747060520
Cool it with the antisemitism

>>747060520
An economic terrorist over here.

>>747046753
Was excited for it but it runs like shit on PC, neutral is just assist spam and defense is kinda retarded in this game
Also Spider Man is a nigger
Still a fun game over all

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>>747046753
No Shuma Gorath.

I forgot Tokon exists

Missed Top 20 PSN sales in Europe & Asia entirely yet another Marvel Rivals US exclusive

Is there no option to make the narrator speak in Japanese just like the rest of the cast?

>>747046960
fippy bippy
any enjoyment of fighting games I had disappeared when I stopped playing people locally and switched to online

>>747046753
Sony