Volumetric fog is literally the worst thing about modern gaming
Why do they do it?
>>747148010Whichever anon coined the term "anti-soul gas" is a genius. That's exactly what it is and it always sends the modern gaming shills into a seething frenzy whenever you call it that.
doesn't bother me. i've been outside before.
>>747148252To hide pop-in when textures or models either disappear or turn to low-resolution variations in the distance to save resources. The fog lets you see that something vaguely shaped like the object is there without realizing its model suddenly got 10x as many polygons, or its texture resolution just quadrupled.
>>747148349That fog is 1+ miles from where the person taking the photograph is standing. Now show the complete visual clarity of the 500 feet in front of them. Which is not what happens in modern games.
>>747148349>>747148424LMAO
>>747148349you cant pretend theres no difference between this and the fog present in the 5-10 feet distances shown in ops imagekys
Caused by LCD displays having poor contrast and developers having to design around themYOU caused this
>>747148252They outsource asset creation to indians. This results in inconsistent artstyle. Then they use fog to hide the details and mush everything into desaturated slop so the whole picture kinda looks consistent.
Every game NEEDS gay fog.
>>747148547what you started to say would only make sense if developers were using OLED displays and totally ignored how the games looked on regular displays. if they were designing around them they wouldnt put all the fog in the game you fucking retard.
>>747148517rumao>>747148513>>747148535>noooo you can't make the artistic decision to exaggerate distance in your video game!
>>747148349anti soul gas doesn't look like that though
>>747148010retarded devs and many gamers including half of /v/ think more effects = betteralso it's just one click in unreal to add it
>>747148674the fog is literally present between the camera and the playermodel standing 10 feet in front of itKYS YOURSELF
>>747148716>anti soul gasatmosphere*
>>747148349look at all that fog, very realistic and comparable
>>747148674>we need to add fog to this room because we need to make it bigger or something!!!LMAO
>>747148010
>>747148674The artistic decision to have fog in literally every single room and building in the entire game.A large open space at 6am in the morning when there's a foggy due is fine. Having fog inside a building on a sunny day just makes absolutely clearly no sense at all you delusional cunt.
>>747148773That happens in GTA V too, looks so bad
>>747148773>NOOOO YOUR GAME HAS TO BE EXACTLY THE SAME AS REALITY KYS KYS KYS KYS KYSKKYSKYKSYKSYKSrelax lil guy
>>747148547Literal retard, most of these studios use 1,000,000:1 contrast ratio dual cell LCD mastering displays which cost tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars
>>747148010It makes everything look shit and it isn't even realistic. I don't understand why developers think it looks good, or why most gamers don't even seem to notice it. Pure eye cancer.
>>747148786enough about your sharts, what about the anti-soul gas?
>>747148672>if developers were using OLED displays and totally ignored how the games looked on regular displaysWhat are you on about, doesn't even make sense
>>747148349have you been inside?
>volumetric fogThat's what that garbage is called then, I thought I was the only one bothered by it in modern gamesEven fucking platformers which are supposed to be colorful use that garbage, literally making the game look worse
>>747148912you arent real
>>747149082
>>747148010I dont mind it with some styles like say slime rancherI cant even tell if it has volumetric fog because if it does it is seamlessthe op images are mostly soulless though
>>747148919>most of these studios use 1,000,000:1 contrast ratio dual cell LCD mastering displaysDumbass they are making the game for the average persons display not for only their display
>>747148990on a display with higher contrast you could use fog without it making everything look so washed out. what the fuck are you on about? you think fog is being added to compound the glare effect on LCDs? to hide it? what?
>>747148934Older zooms grew up on grey brown bloom with the ps3 360 so this probably looks better to them, they never played anything else
>>747149126everything beyond the foreground is literally 5+ miles awayand in many videogames the foreground would be all washed out with fog too
The worst thing about volumetric fog - aside from being poorly and excessively implemented - is that not a single game lets you turn it off in the settings.
>>747148010Spider-Man on PS1 did fog in a game the best, making it part of the plot and due to system limitations. Very creative.
>>747149198The whole point of heavy volumetric fog back in the day was to obscure sight so stuff didn't have to be rendered at long distances, it was a performance saving techniqueNow it's all being rendered anyway raping performance and removing contrast, literally the worst of all worlds. Devs are fucking idiots.
>>747149178>on a display with higher contrast you could use fog without it making everything look so washed outOk and? Most people have LCD and not OLED so devs will obviously design the art for the low contrast LCD. Nigga thought we were exclusively talking about OLED
>>747148606Literally all the new takes on old tracks are downgrades. Wish I were joking.
>>747149198>original>emulator
It skibidi aint
>>747149262>the building on the left is 5 miles away
>>747149483>Immediate foreground is crystal clear>Only the background that's 10+ miles away is obscured by the atmosphereYeah that's how it's supposed to work. In ocarina of time remake on Hyrule Field you can literally see whisps of dog blow past 10 feet in front of you.
>>747149059yeah i cant see shit
>>747148547>developers having to design around themA lot of dev work is done on really cheap displays, so blame the corporate that got them that shit. It would be better if they used displays more like the ones consumers actually use.
>>747149674how many miles away are the buildings next to central park
lol I noticed I added a lot of layer 3 fog to my SMW rom hack because I thought it looked cool and aesethic. didn't know this had a term for it hehe
>>747149387?????????? AND THEY WOULD DO THAT BY MAKING THEM LOOK EVEN MORE WASHED OUT?holy shit in multiple threads i just have brain dead fucktards incapable of understanding anything replying to me like they know better, the one time i post on this dumbfuck board of brainrot zoomers
>>747149841Note the 100% crystal clear foreground.
>about to toggle on volumetric fog in my game projectdo i dare?
>>747150013didn't answer the question
>>747148990Fog looks significantly worse on low contrast LCD displays, OLED and HDR partially resolve the issue. If devs were designing around shitty LCD displays, why would they add a bunch of fog that specifically makes everything look worse on those exact displays?
>>747149502If anti soul gas is to benefit muh low contrast LCDs like retards ITT are claiming, then why does the left image look so much better on both my LCD side panel and my OLED main display? The contrast difference is stark.
>>747149763>if they used displays more like the ones consumers actually use.Most people got real shitty LCDs tho, you have to make the game visible on shitty LCD with poor contrast that probably has glare from the sun and that results in this lookDiablo 2 remake for example
>>747149387If you're designing around LCDs, especially cheap LCDs, you'd want to decrease contrast but increase colour vibrancy. Making everything look washed out and gray is the literal opposite of what you'd want, that shit only looks good on displays that can actually show the difference between those grays.
>>747150116seriously this board has some of the dumbest fucking niggers ive ever seen second only to the people still shilling for trump on /pol/
>>747148010How were boomer games so ahead of their time? Why was there such a dark age of video game after them where they just... forgot to add fog?It's truly puzzling.
>>747150147there is no diablo 2 remake in this image
>nooo its not my LCD display!!!! Its all the devs doing it for no reason!!!!lol you can't convince poor autists
>>747150145retards just making stuff up. they blame everything except the developer.
>>747149275Christ the difference is massive. Anyone who thinks the top image looks better needs to immediately self-immolate.
>>747150458Why has this become the go to cope? Is it poorfags who hate themselves that keep posting this? Are you trying to keep up the illusion that the other side is always greener? Because it's not.
>>747149841Zero miles but a significant distance none the less. Several yards away at least. You can see clearly and in full contrast right to the end of the park it seems. The examples in OP's picture have fog right up in the character's face and sometimes literally engulfing them. A huge number of games from the past two generations have fog that blows out everything beyond arm's reach for no apparent reason. Having it closer than in real life is sensible in order to convey scale. Having it that close by default is inexcusable unless you're designing an area that has fog as a characteristic feature.
>>747150714Please tell me bottom is parody.
In Mumbai you can't see 20 feet in front of you due to thick smog. They're just developing what they know.
>>747150620>no U are the poorfag and u hate yourself lol
>>747150627all graphical effects have tradeoffs
>>747148010I agree this shit is 10x more infuriating that yellow painting.
>>747149275This also destroyed the framerate in MHW too. Worst of both worlds.
>>747151005I'm asking you a question. What reason do you have to be saying something so illogical? Are you just plain retarded?
your newest slop, sir
>>747151198Why do they hate contrast and color SO MUCH?
>>747151198left looks better
FUUUUUCK I HATE BEING ABLE TO SEE WHAT'S IN FRONT OF ME AND I HATE VIBRANT COLORS!!!! ADD IN ANOTHER 500 TONS OF FOG!!!
>>747151198Thank you for hiring that guy.
>>747149652>Comparing smog to video game rural areasActually I think that's the problem. It makes everything look like a grungy nasty city
>>747151150>its illogical cause im autistic and can't comprehend the logic lol
>>747151198>WHY IS THE LOST WOODS FOGGY
>>747148846My ass is a swamp. You wouldn’t believe the reeking hideous humidity wafting betwixt my buttcheeks right now. It would knock out an elephant
>>747151198Right is emulated and not how the original looked
>>747151198that's all zelda's farts
>>747151383I'll count that as retarded. Stay away from sharp objects kid.
>>747151342what if i told you that the effect is caused by high humidity and japan has high humidity most of the time
>>747148846and then they decided to make an entire open world swamp level
>>747151476the n64 did not support volumetric fog, and the left is not running on an n64
>>747148349>Fog only starts hundreds of meters away >Even then it's less strong that fog where your characters is stepping in video games Top kek
>>747151198I can't tell if this is a problem with my eyes but I have trouble looking at the remake. It's like my eyes are struggling to keep everything distinct instead of seeing clearly what is what like the original
>>747151476You're retarded.
>>747151581the fog starts immediately because it's caused by the air which is everywhere including directly in front of the camera.
>>747148252Hides bad Lod from being noticeable. You can use r.fog 0 in most UE games to see the difference.
>>747151396Why does Hyrule Field have rolling clouds of fog you can walk into?
>>747151615I too have this problem with many modern games
>>747151651Red no fogBlue hundreds of meters away
>>747149740kek
>>747151240Brown and bloom is making a comeback. The one on the left isn't even as bad as most modern garbage when it comes to color but it could be better. Wilds has a permanent piss filter in the desert
IT'S SOOO BAADMAKE IT STOOPAAAAHHHHHH
>>747152065Insane to me that this game was nominated for all sorts of art direction awards when it's everything wrong with UE slop.
>>747152134>>747152065mine didnt look like that
>>747152134the devs had connections to the industry, it's like hollywood nominating their own movies about trannies and blacks for oscars
>>747149275>>747149502Wow, I knew it was bad but not that bad. Interesting. It sounds like the gas actually hurts performance too. So it is there for basically no reason
>>747148606THEY ARE TURNING THE FOGS GAY
I mean developers are retards. I have never found a game where motion blur, deep of field, camera shake, chromatic aberration and bloom are off by default even if everyone hates them and turn them off.
>>747150261i was about to say, that shit does not look like diablo 2 ressurected
>>747152471Chromatic aberration literally makes me sick.As in I need to puke.
It should still be easy to get rid of it by editing the Engine.ini file for Unreal Engine games though
>>747148010what is top-right?
>>747152702Valkyrie Elysium
>>747152471>even if everyone hates them and turn them off.You autists aren't everyone, you live in a autistic echo chamber
>>747151240color and contrast are too "video gamey"
>>747151396That's Kokiri Village, not the Lost Woods.
>>747148010Is this the 202X equivalent of lens flare? Why does every game have to be a perpetual Dense Fog Advisory?
>>747152430it's a significant strain to make things look worse
>>747151615I've had this problem for years and thought it was just me. But no, real life looks fine, old games look fine. It's just the way newer games do things that make me constantly miss things that should be obvious. That image is a perfect example. If I didn't have context and just had to look at the background of Kokiri Village there, I'd have a hell of a time trying to distinguish shit
>>747152065The hell? Visibility is usually way better than that in the overworld, is this a cutscene or something?
>>747150147>Most people got real shitty LCDs thoI don't think they do anymore, this was the case still mid-2010s but I don't think it's the case mid-2020s anymore because much better displays have been kinda cheap for a long ass time. Even though CPU and GPU tech stopped getting more inexpensive, displays continued to improve.Also, it doesn't even line up, it's true that games made for CRTs had stronger contrasts but that was because gamma was different for them, and they look dark on LCDs, but if something you'd expect devs to make games with even higher contrast to make up for the lacking contrast of cheap LCDs. It actually looks like it's adjusted for some flatscreen TV with contrast cranked way too high.
>>747148252If you can't see the graphics that means the graphics are good.Go into skyrim modding and it's all the same shit. Everyone just hides textures through as many layers of filters, shadows and fog as they can.
>>747150147That level of contrast is inaccurate. Real shadows unless you are in pitch black, are made up of shades of grey.
>>747148846swampy cathedral kinda cool ngl
>>747148424Fucking lol. Accurate.
>>747148424
>>747151198Fog is the modern bloomThey put WAY too much in
>>747151921>>747153727I think it's either a problem with lack of "hard lines" and too much textur/detail. Or both. Plus the fog everywhere of course.
Anti-Soul Gas...Quite pungent....
>>747152065>Being powerless to edit out fogslopFeeling good not being a consolepoor.
>>747152531Wait till you learn your eyes are constantly causing you to see some, and your brain just does its best to lie to you that you don't
>>747148424>>747154153
>>747148424>>747154153>>747154408
i blame movies tbqh
Bro you don't have to spam your whole folder we get it
>>747148252UE5slop assets look like shit if you're more than 4 feet away
>>747150147>see? If you remove color, games that rely on color look like shit!This image is retarded and only gay retards have it saved and post it
>>747154834It's not movies in general , but blu-ray. Look at lotr normal vs the rerelease with the gray-green filter over everything. Looks like two entirely different movies
>>747155083Autist that doesn't understand the point
>>747152471>camera shake>bloomDon't give a shit, I've only occasionally turned bloom off and never been bothered by camera shake.>chromatic aberration>volumetric fogUsually leave them on, but I'll disable them in some cases. I can see chromatic aberration as an annoyance in some games but to this day I can't spot it in Bloodborne, even though I know exactly what to look for. I've also never heard it complained about outside of /v/, and the term "anti-soul gas" is used by literally no one outside of here. This board is a genuine autistic circlejerk on some subjects, though I agree volumetric fog uses up too many resources and doesn't look good in several (but not all) cases. People act like it's just a generic corporate choice every single time it appears, but in some cases it actually is part of art direction. If you see fog in a forest, a polluted city, or a large outdoor area, the art team probably intended for it to be there. Bloom is often intentional too.>motion blur>depth of fieldThese are the bad ones. Turning them off gives an immediate and significant visual improvement in 99% of cases, the only game I've left depth of field on for is Armored Core 6 and I've never wanted to keep motion blur.
>>747155247There is no point to your usual dishonest /v/ brand cherrypicked/doctored comparison.
>>747154408>topDetroit.>bottomLondon.>>747154526>leftNew York.>rightSeattle.
>every single game art director and movie director of photography lost their fucking mind independently all across the whole worldWhat a scary phenomenon, like an alien invasion
>>747148349>>747148349here's another pic that I took a few days ago, i can't tell if people are retarded or it's just a (retarded) meme
>>747155714A talentless napobaby invasion
>>747155714just more trends from movie/art/gamedev school graduates, it's quite literally soulless by design
>>747155812Bro wants to share his life with us
>>747148349OP BTFO
>>747152471I honestly can't tell the difference between chromatic aberration on and off
>>747148547I caused the vast majority of users to be either office drones or TV watching drones?
>>747150261it's DIablo 3
>>747152471>>747156490as you see people are retarded and dont even have eyes.i was just playing civ7 for the first time and the first thing i immediately noticed was the UI text is all upscaled. no matter what internal resoution setting you use. and the only mention there is of this is in a 1.5 year old steam forums post.1.5 fucking years.
>>747152471>I have never found a game where motion blur, deep of field, camera shake, chromatic aberration and bloom are off by defaultthe games were devs realize these look like shit don't have them "off by default" because they just don't add an option for them in the first place
>>747155714for marvelslop it's because they shoot everything in perfectly neutral lighting so they can cgi different lighting or color grading effects in post-production because the directors are giant faggots too afraid to actually commit to a lighting decision at filming time
>>747148424kek it do be like that
>>747157080CA can look good in some artstyles and engines. I like how it looks in Elden Ring, but hate how it looks like in Cyberpunk.Also some games look better with film grain. Namely ME2 and Starfield.
>>747148010I really like it.
Screen Space Reflections, Volumetric Fog and AO are all used horribly in games and are the biggest performance hogs next to shadows.Obviously you dont wanna turn shadows off entirely in a game but the other 3 you can turn off or set to low and be perfectly content with and wont impact immersion in the slightest.
calling this "antisoul gas" never cease to make me smirk, bless whoever thought about it>>747148010but I think in some of this it's literally just terrible/lacking contrast. I think RE2 has no volumetrics but it still look like this. RE engine in general is the worst looking engine right now, even worse than UE5 honestly, at least UE can still have a contrasty picture but never the RE engine
>>747157691AO is extremely important and it almost never looks bad, every games will have some form of ao.SSR is free, but it is misused for sure. I like RT reflection just so I don't have to look at broken disappearing reflections all the time.
>>747148252To hide pop-in, shitty textures and so on. It should only ever be used where it makes sense from a world-building perspective, and even then only sparingly.
>>747157691you're a consolefag or you're younger than my keyboard, with the level of incorrect facts you have in such a short post
>>747152471>turning off DofYou're retarded. Even Bloom is pushing it, this isn't gen 7 anymore old man.
>>747148327>>747157767"Anti-soul gas" was a mistake because it reduces discussion of volumetric fog from talking about when it should and shouldn't be used to blindly shitting on all applications of it with one of /v/'s ten thousand buzzwords. It's not as bad as [mechanic]slop but it's definitely making things worse.
>>747151615no its not just you. modern games are just bad when it comes to visual clarity.
>>747155812>RE Engine and UE5slop getting dragged in this thread>Posts one of the few games they gets atmospheric fog correctYou sure showed us!
>>747158854that's fog (or smoke), not the same thing as atmospheric fog.
>>747158645Are there good applications of volumetric fog? Like, not trying to be rhetorical, every game I've played with it looks better with it disabled.
>>747155812Kingdom Cum has excellent world design. It is one of the best aspects of that game.For example, when you are in a forest, then you truly feel like you are in a forest. I have never experienced anything quite like that in any other game.
>>747159310>Are there good applications of volumetric fog?Makes me feel alive, in the video game
>>747155374>cherrypicked/doctoredlmao now hes just saying its fake
>>747159347What platform is "Makes me feel alive" available on?
>>747148010>Volumetric fog is literally the worst thing about modern game graphicsFTFY
>>747148010There are 2 (TWO) games with volumetric fog in that
>>747159303>that's fog (or smoke)Damn, there must be a massive bonfire offscreen I guess.
>>747159396No, the volumetric fog in the video games, makes me feel like I am alive inside the video game because of real life volumetric fog in real life retard
>>747149275jesus christ why are devs such retards? it makes it looks worse and it costs fps on top of it wtf
>>747159303>that's fog (or smoke)Oh no, the mansion is on fire!
your hobby is mostly enjoyed by 12-16 year olds and they don't care
>>747159376Yes, because /v/ is totally honest when pushing an agenda and reposting shit hundreds of times to force an opinion.
>>747159310Sleeping Dogs. Because Hong Kong really was that smoggy in the 2010s.
>>747152778ty
>>747159526it's clearly fog. atmospheric fog is as the name implies, atmospheric. it requires height, which you won't see without the earth's curvaturepic related is fog.>>747159640are you honestly just shitposting? i can't tell. that's not what we are discussing. a dusty mansion can still have volumetric light, but it's a completely different discussion.
Crimson desert is literally the only modern game to even attempt to do atmosphere correctly
>>747150846this one make sense with the desert enviroment and sandstorm
>>747148547Soul vs soulless.
>>747148797>globeniggerkwab
>>747148349KEK OP raped and gaped
>>747148349Rekt in less than a minute by >>747148424
>>747148797space is fake moron
>>747159526Starfield has a completely different problem. It's LUTs putting this haze over the whole screen. Some of the very first mods either outright removed these shitty color filters or toned them down.
>>747159310Other anon who replied isn't me. I think it looks good in several areas of Elden Ring because the game's entire art direction is built around simulating vast scale even over technically small distances, though I would also turn it off in some other places that aren't supposed to look as big (which further supports the idea that the problem is application and not its existence). If an area is supposed to have fog, pollution, or smoke, that's a good place to put it. I've seen several screenshots in these threads and just thought "that looks like where I live on a foggy day".It can also look better if they dial back the intensity so it doesn't completely obscure and desaturate everything but still makes objects at a further distance look less distinct. I suspect depth of field is getting some of the blame here too- that one often has similarly bad effects on visual clarity and has a lot less of an upside to argue for.
This shit has been a pain since Fallout 4 and has only gotten worse, at least in Fallout 4 they were actually trying to recreate weather effects and was only temporary.
>>747160180>pic relThat looks really bad
>>747149350G A S S E D
Because gane devs are losers/retards that never go outside and have no idea what fog looks like irl. One thing I haven't seen in a video game is how when you climb a really tall mountain you can actually get higher than the fog/cloud level and it's actually crystal clear. Higher doesn't always mean foggier.
>>747159640What the other anon said. Dust in the air can also create the same effect, this can be seen in real life. Go to a room that hasn't been dusted in a while and see for yourself. It shouldn't apply to rooms that are well maintained and clean, but a lot of Resident Evil locations aren't.
>>747160603>when you climb a really tall mountain you can actually get higher than the fog/cloud level and it's actually crystal clearAce Combat 7 has a level with this as a mechanic.
I don't play a lot of new AAAs so I didn't even realize it got this bad. This is like difference between films shot on film compared to films shot on digital. With films the excuse is that it's cheaper to keep it digital and layer effects on in post. What's the excuse here? Are developers just trying to make their games look like shit movies?
>>747151396Kek, they added so much pointless fog you thought it was the lost woods
>>747160525because its fake. there is green tint but not that bad.
>>747159762So all this anti soul gas is an agenda and forcing an opinion cause it was reposted hundreds of times
Let me complain about anti soul gas but use a monitor with built in anti soul gas
>>747160921Sometimes. In other cases it's to make a distance look larger than it actually is. There are also examples that are wrong or extremely cherrypicked- Irithyll in Dark Souls 3 doesn't look like that because of volumetric fog, it looks like that because it's just that gray normally.
>>747148010I want to say everyone know it's shit, but I've seen soibois creaming their pants over it so I know it's not true.
>>747155121It's still happening. All of the James Cameron movies re-released in 4k look like dogshit compared to the original DVDs. The new trend is using AI to remove film grain and smooth everything out.
>>747148252something to do with processing I believe
>>747161031It's not just a simple tint. It's hazy and washed out. They did the same thing to Fallout 4, both games look like they have a translucent white film covering the camera lens.
>>747159940there's no indication of any wind
>>747161171that's just setting differences
>>747148349If only modern gaming had vibrant colors like this though...
>>747161181DS3 just looks like shit in general
>>747161707lmao ips shills are the worst
>>747161171Can't you get any new dishonest screenshots, you fucking schizo?
volumetric fog is one of those things that's so overused in AAA but funnily enough i think it looks better in low poly and indie stuff desuespecially with things like baked volumetrics you can get them down to be relatively cheap to renderpretty sure in most modern stuff it's overused at long distances to help hide LOD pop in and at closer range because SSGI tends to flatten everything out and lose details vs baked lightingbaked lighting is kind of going the way of the dodo from the looks of it
anyone remember this thread? was this the final image or is there an updated one
>>747162164From brown n' bloom to brown n' fog. Gaming has come a long way bros.
>>747162059Why when the old honest ones do the job?
>>747162508>honestAn anon years back has found that exact LCD monitor and proven that you've blasted both gamma and brightness at max there, you retard.
>>747162164Avowed is a retarded example, most of the game has a tropical color pallette.
>>747161808Not because of volumetric fog. I will say I think the complaints about its color palette are overblown, though, it isn't all gray. I went back and replayed it recently and was surprised by how much better the lighting in Firelink Shrine looked than in Elden Ring's 500 catacombs. It's more desaturated than prior games, but even within one area like Farron Keep there's a vast visual difference between the bridge with the Stray Demon and the swamp at the bottom.
>>747162164>Gears of War, a series designed around everything looking gray and ruined>Expedition 33, screenshot taken in the only part of the game with that color schemeI wish I'd played more of these so I could tell if all the examples are this bad.
>>747148010A lot of it isn’t volumetric fog. The grey foggy hue you see in games nowadays is from HDR tonemapping.
>>747162761>>747163134thats /v/ comparison photos for ya
>>747150808Still colourful and with contrast. I don't have the impression that they went overboard with the anti soul gas in bl4.
>>747162948>Doctor Freeman, I presume?
>>747162839>>747163180>dust/smog>>747162948>>747163125>depth of field>>747163085>fog in the early morning on a mountainCan you stop mixing good examples with terrible ones?
>>747162683No he didn't
>>747163485I honestly think a fighting game is one of the only acceptable uses because the characters are supposed to pop from the background
>>747148252its only a few button presses to make your game look "high fidelity"
>>747148010i dunno zoomie, this seems like terminally online faggots shrieking again. I've been through this song and dance and while i agree that modern game devs are loser. Raging about artistic tools, direction, and implementation is retarded if there is an aesthetic some game devs do implement volumetric fog with an artistic purpose. Some are lazy and plaster that in an indoor setting. And some do it as a form of best practices for a more 'cinematic' feel because of LE HOLLYWOOD but the argument for LE COLOR or LE REALISM just rings hollow as a form of preference. I'm just glad we got over the meme pissfilter era and we have mods for PC
>>747148349lmao this triggered people that don't touch grass
>>747148010>Volumetric fog>posts depth fogsiiiiiiighhhhhhhhhhh
>>747148252like all things in the modern GAYming industry. They want to be like Hollywood. The problem is that they don't even have the directing skill for it
>>747164330>The problem is that they don't even have the directing skill for itNeither do modern filmmakers.
>>747163634it's not dust. it doesn't go away. it's fog.
>>747148010>make a nice environment>now hide itpeople who defend it are literally retarded, but what else is new about normalfags
>>747148010Rapes your FPS to make the picture hazy and the aesthetic look more AI generated
>>747151198>That cyan skythey fear blue skies
>>747153460>>>747151198in this case I think it can look ok
The anti-soul fog is literally the only problem I had with any of the OOT remake footage today and it's a total deal-breaker. Just gonna wait for the Switch 3 version or whatever.
>>747158332I turn off DOF and motion blur in every single game I can and nothing will stop me.
>>747166964uhhhh idk why that second quote is there
>>747148424/thread
>>747148349shut the fuck up dumbass corporate cocksleeve>>747148424keep posting intelligent well-endowed kingTOTAL SHILL GENOCIDE
>>747148252To hide low quality textures and distant objects, motion blur is common on console to hide bad frame rate and pacing thats why some games allow you to turn off motion blur on PC but not on console
>>747148424Kek bodied the shills
>>747149275KCD 2 and Oblivion Remastered are some of the best examples too
>>747157990AO is an approximation of shadowed area interact with standard illumination based on a one-size-fits-all model.Path-Tracing is suppose to solve this and make it more dynamic
>Volumetric fog>Depth of field>Motion blurAnything that adds blurriness to the image is fucking dogshit and should be disabled immediately.
>>747148349>immediately shoots himself in the foot
>>747155310Dof literally doesn't appear outside of cutscene, turning it off is utterly retarded.Chromatic aberration is bad 100% of the time.Bloom is good in SDR but terrible in HDR
>>747155939bro btfod that retard with pictures
>>747167568Well, obviously, but you know how expensive PT/RT are. ground truth ambient occlusion is very convincing with a fraction of a fraction of the GPU cost.
>>747148010It helps ease the overstimulation you feel when you play a modern game with infinite amount of clutter. Far away details are dulled, but you can still make out important things like enemies or points of interest
>fog (new): D8<>fog (old): 8O
>>747167663So you think all movies looks like shit?Most games have cutscenes.
>>747148424Heh. That's my pic from a snowboarding trip.
>>747149652No one is this retarded
>>747149275maybe the retards defending anti soul gas live in under constant smog and can't see what's in front of them every day, so they think it's normal for shitty games to do the same.
>>747149483you're only hurting your argument
>>747166127I can agree that the player character in the foreground being blurry is bad, that part should change, but the RDR2 screenshot is absolutely dust. You can see thicker clouds of it near the ground.
>>747150808>anti soul gas in doors and 5 feet awaythis shit is beyond parody
>>747163305you fucking retard
>>747168021Plenty of them do.In cutscenes it doesn't matter much and they can be finely controlled for artistic effect, same as in movies, but in gameplay these effects are cancer far more often than not.
>>747158332Depth of field is often made too intense, resulting in blurry visuals where they should be clear, and only has an on/off toggle so you can't just turn it down. Visual clarity also tends to make games look a lot better even in some unrealistic cases (though I agree depth of field has its uses, like in cutscenes or the rare cases where it's well implemented in-game).
>>747151198>og's visual clarity
>>747167663>volumetric fogGood if applied on a case-by-case basis rather than being haphazardly thrown over everything. If I'm riding around Liurnia in early morning and there's no fog then that's just less believable.>depth of fieldBad in most cases, but can improve a game's visuals if applied very lightly. Most devs aren't careful with it so the default approach should be to turn it off.>motion blurBad 100% of the time. In-game visual effects (like adding faint trails to weapon slashes) can convey the same idea better without reducing visual clarity.
>>747148010There are worse things, like fake frames and motion blur, but yeah it's pretty fucking bad.
I just wish devs would allow me to disable this cancer without modding the game.
>>747148010Half of those pictures don't even have volumetric fog. OP (or whoever he stole this ragebait collage from) cranked down the contrast to blow out shadows to make it look like there is fog.
>>747155714>every single person lost their fucking mind independently across the whole world
>>747148424>four fucking pixels
>>747148424Add a HUD to the bottom one and tell me it's a screenshot from FIS 2K25 and I'd believe you
>>747150458I'm on an OLED right now and it still looks like shit. Also the Switch 2 uses an LCD screen and the oot demake has lots of fog.
>>747169624Anons keep saying that it's to hide poor rendering, but that's clearly not true in this case because the details look clear either way. I think they add it partially to emphasize directional light, partially to make a small level feel larger, and partially to get across the idea of the place being in ruins (i.e. gray and dusty).
>>747148252Indian coders can’t optimize for shit so they have to hide their garbage graphics.
>>747148010i hate how contrast and to a lesser extinct saturation seems to have been completely banned in modern gameswhy do people even love this washed out shit so much. i honestly don't get it
There's a small mountain next to where I live and I hike it every other years or so with friends not from the region to see the sights.Even on a cloudy day as long as there's not too much humidity in the air you can see the peak of the tallest mountain in the alps from 200km away.I'd say atmospheric fog doesn't start showing until 50-80km
>>747170063Having a OLED won't change how the art was intentionally designed
>>747170234It's there to simulate distance.But it sucks at that. Atmospheric scattering isn't visible at such small distances. It would also not have such tint.So for me it looks like air pollution. You would have to burn trash to get to that level of air pollution though.
>>747152065>kitbashed FAB store assets, default UE5 settings, and boring character designs won both best indie (35+ person team with outsourcing and a 10 million dollar budget) and best art directionThe VGAs are a fucking joke.
>>747152471The new Onimusha has most of them off by default.
>>747148797>Globetard
>>747170531I know but that retard thinks anti soul gas is only a problem on LCD screens, ironic since like I said, Switch 2 has an LCD screen.
>>747170707Sure as hell doesn't look it, smudgy ass game
>>747170741Anti soul gas is made cause LCD are the majority of displays so the art must be made for them. If everyone had an OLED then they would make it for OLED and we won't have anti soul gas
>>747170996Uh huh.
>>747170434If you're in a lower humidity area the air will be clear most of the time. I'm in a place that gets a lot of rain so the mountains near here usually look at least a little foggy, and aren't visible at all on some days. Had a few days where you could be walking down a street and not see all the houses on it.Volumetric fog is definitely applied too indiscriminately, but it's not always unrealistic either. Fog in early morning is especially common in any area with a lot of trees, near a coastline, or both.
>>747148010Just turn it off.
It looks like shit in modern movies too
>>747150767Christ, that's obnoxious
>>747170923I'm not defending the horrible filters (that are clearly intentionally applied because there are colorful parts with no brown and grey filter) but the post processing shit like DoF, blur, vignette, etc. are mostly disabled by default.
>>747170546I agree it's unrealistic, but I can't say that it makes zero sense because pretty much all cities in video games are vastly smaller than they should be, unless you're in a game that operates on a very large scale. Distance being simulated to create an atmosphere is common in many other ways too. I think they just need to dial back the intensity in a lot of cases, think about where to apply it and where not to, and as you said, give the option to turn it off.
>>747148010>old games have great volumetric fog>most new games have ugly volumetric fogWhy did they do it? It's not even hard to tweak fog settings, it's trivial to use reshade to make it look good.
>>747168631it doesn't move. it's static.
>>747168021yes
>>747148010Motion blur and depth of field are both far worse
>>747171303Alright but older games also had this problem. Their solution was to create impressive skyboxes/backgrounds. Even 2D games had parallax scrolling to add the sense of scale. Our brains can fill the gap, leave the rest for the imagination. You just need to create sense of wonder, you don't need to create the whole world as a developer.
>>747148517>>747154149>>747157348>>747160013>>747167065>>747167217>>747167319literally NONE of you have been on a snowy mountain and it shows. It's crystal clear because it's so cold it sucks all the humidity out of the air, and there's no particulates and shit forming haze that's present in literally every other environment. Stupid third world fucks probably never even seen snow in your life. GET OFF MY BOARD
The fallout 3 gas has leaked into nintendo
>/v/ bitches about the lack of optimization>/v/ bitches about fogPick one retards. Or just upgrade your goddamn computer and you can disable the fog anytime you want. It's there for a reason, because most computers will burn without it. That machine you played Diablo 1 on? Yeah that's not gonna cut it no more.
>>747148010i got a 4k tv and the fog is gone
>>747171943Turning off the fog in RE Engine games improves FPS
notice the games are japslop
>>747171943fog lowers the performance
>>747171841I've been defending some instances of fog but this is accurate, snow creates clear air because the moisture isn't floating around anymore. This is why it needs to be applied selectively. You should see fog in forests and green mountains, not up at snow heights. That said, you can see fog and frost at the same time (most frost is frozen condensation, not frozen rain).
>>747172030>>747172162then they fucked up big time, unless they were using the fog just to create atmosphere. The point is so you can have shitty looking distant objects to save processing power. Kinda like decreasing view distance, but without looking so obvious.
there’s no such thing as a “soul” you retards when will /v/ develop past the literal infantile state of egotism and realize that personally disliking something does not make it objectively bad
>>747171965I have 4K TV and the fog is still there.
>>747172259Soulless post
>>747172242You can have shitty looking distant objects without the fog, the fog doesn't make them any harder to see if they're only like 5 pixels on your screen at that point anyways.
>>747171841>bro is talking about how everyone needs to go outside and touch grass>then says "get off my board"anon maybe you are on the wrong board, this isn't /out/
>>747172242Yea nobody is using it for that lmao. They make the game and then slap a fog on top of it which eats up performance.
>>747172307yeah but with fog, you can have shitty objects at medium distance too.
>>747172534>>747172568That's what sandstorms look like fool
>>747172351What "medium distance" when they're even slapping the fog on the game constantly in enclosed rooms?
>>747150714>>747150751It makes sense for Icecrown. No other zones back then were that deliberately foggy.
>>747172319you can post on more than one board, pal
>>747171839I also like the skybox approach, but it isn't applicable to cases where they want to make areas you can reach in-game look further away than they are like the Stellar Blade screenshot. I keep thinking about Fromsoft games here because they're very good at making an area feel vast when it's technically small. I was just looking at Consort Radahn's arena and it has (probably non-volumetric) fog used really well. Despite the low distance there's fog effects everywhere, but you can tell they're actually ash being blown around for a few reasons:>ash piles all over the ground>clouds move with the wind>the area is at a high altitude>the clouds are only near the floor where the piles areCould've been an amazing spot if the actual boss fight was any good. But more relevant, I think it's okay to have unrealistic levels of fog if an area is supposed to "feel" big enough to have them, it just shouldn't be sloppily blanketed over everything regardless of context or dialed up so high that it removes all color from the environment.>>747171943This specific type of fog effect eats more power to turn on than off, that's what people have been pointing out already, don't be retarded.
>>747149264monster hunter world does, I did it just now inspired by >>747149275 post. looks 10x fucking better and less GPU hit to boot. absolutely unreal how retarded these devs are.
>>747172534>>747172568>literal weather effectYou dishonest faggot.
>>747172803okay?
Why do devs just slap this fog everywhere instead of using it to sell the idea of distance as it should be used? Is it supposed to be atmospheric? What atmosphere are they selling? It could work in a horror game like Silent Hill.
>>747172880Dank Souls is a perfect example of a game that feels bigger than it actually is. All 3 of them to be honest.ER has some of that but open world design destroys that sense of wonder. I dislike open empty fields with "obstacles" I can simply run around. I don't mind fog when it's used correctly sadly it's not used correctly 99% exaggeration but not by much of the time.
mouth breathers like OP think this looks good
>>747173480Honestly I've never liked Elden Ring's environments nearly as much as Dark Souls 3's, most of them don't feel as handcrafted and the overwhelming majority of enemy encounters are easy, recycled, or both. For all people complain about DS3's linear progression, it has some pretty interesting levels like the Grand Archives, the Cathedral of the Deep, and the interconnected parts between the Profaned Capital and Irithyll Dungeon.
>>747171841>literally NONE of you have been on a snowy mountain and it shows.But that's a picture I took on a mountain while I was snowboarding.
>>747171601>the tan clouds concentrated near the ground in this zero-humidity desert at sundown aren't dust because the devs forgot to animate them
>>747174338yes
>>747173480Crimson Desert's sense of scale is really crazy if you haven't played it. It's so fucking massive and it always feels that way even after hundreds of hours. It's honestly weird, no other game has made me feel that way.
>>747174167True, it gets even worse in the DLC. If the whole game was just legacy dungeons it would be perfect. Or as close to perfect as a fromsoft game can be. I really should emulate BB, because I've never played that one.
>>747174376Okay. Why are the visibly wispy, brown clumps of particles in the air in an area with almost no moisture formed by condensed water? Give a reason. And "anti-soul gas" is not a reason, a universally applied fog effect does not create clustered spots just above ground level.
>>747172623>>747173021uh yeah that's what this thread is about....
>>747174543I guess I might pirate it, but I don't like open world games anymore to be honest.I think Todd made me hate them.
>>747174656>>747174656>a universally applied fogit's not. it's just that area at all times.
>>747174543Outward
>>747148424LMAO BTFO
>>747174543No it's not. They caved to players and gave an always available zero cost overpowered wyvern you can get from literally the first hour of the game. And you just aerial roll boost spam or whatever that dumb shit is. You don't even need to use the horse or literally any other travel methods now. It's quite a stupidly designed game and the world feels smaller than most games because of it.>>747174752Not even worth the sdd endurance hit.
>>747174621Mechanically it's not perfect, but it has some very smooth combat and its atmosphere is rivaled only by PS3 Demon's Souls, which you should also play if you haven't yet. It doesn't have DS3's sense of vastness but it has very dense and complex city levels, including probably the best opening level of any Souls game so far.
>>747149275kek I disabled that shit instantly when the game released, better performance and better gwaphics? damnsadly they never fixed the atrocious antialiasing options holy fuck, not even reshade can fix that shit
>>747174752I never liked his games myself. Awful everything, but in general I like open worlds I wanna escape.CD doesn't have that much architecture given its size, it's mostly nature, but idk it's just crazy how big it always feels. I'm not sure how large it is but it feels like it completely dwarfs RDR2 which was pretty big I think.Also I agree about ER, and it sucked how devoid of polish the world was. You'd run across entire cliff sides hoping to find something neat and there would always be nothing or something worthless which sucked.>>747174914I didn't know about the wyvern, that's lame if true. But the roll boost didn't take you very far and the game's world is still gigantic even if you can fly.
>>747162164>intentionally go to desert area of game>complain that it's brown
>>747174276No that's my picture.
>>747150880man they also remake'd the 2nd game? the first one was so garbage looking I didn't even pirate it and I love thotd games
>>747174914>Not even worth the sdd endurance hit.3000TB SSD, I can take it. It's also less than two hours to download. But I'm simply not compelled. I'll keep playing 2D indie garbage.
>>747149275>doesn't show the FPS meterstrange...
>>747175126TBW* woops.
>>747174914just DON'T USE IT BITCH IF U DONT LIKE IT
>>747175107No it's not. Why even lie about that?
>>747175249I took that picture when I was learning to ski.
>>747175167Not him but disabling volumetric rendering improved the performance. If your GPU isn't a potato it would not matter but still.
>>747175357No you didn't. You don't even know which mountain that is.
>>747175443I live near that mountain.
>pseuds ITT not understanding that the fog is an optimisation gimmick and thinking it's the devs having old monitorsman the iq of this place has fucking plummeted.Btw the Ps5 does this to an even more pervasive extent where in every game you'll notice a gray film over the entire image. But yeah the fog is so games can render their slop easier and they even tack on cheap godray effects so the goys can clap their hands at it and be impressed
>>747175941You are a fucking dumbass. Fog doesn't stop distant things from being rendered. It's completely graphical.
>>747175927Where specifically?
>>747176082Not him but you are correct in many instances everything is simply covered by the fog but fully rendered.SH2 Demake is the best example.
>>74717594110/10 bait
>>747154317E33 has a lot of unreal marketplace assets and the overall fidelity level of the world is uneven, sometimes theres good assets, sometimes distant backgrounds are ps3 level and fog exist to hide the low fidelity.
>>747176215Retards on /v/ have been saying this shit forever. PS1 or N64 "fog" was distant geometry not existing but since the PS2 days it's just been for aesthetics pretty much and has a performance HIT, it's not some optimization trick. Especially in last gen games too, volumetric fog effects weren't cheap.
I personally don't give a shit if volumetric fog is realistic or not i want the game to look good not realistic. Games cheat with lighting and camera angles all the time to make the scene look better they can take out the gas.
>>747169624At last I truly see. The bottom image is a mess. Looking at it I have no idea what's important, where my eyes are supposed to be. The buildings in the background take attention just as much as Eve. The top image is a lot easier to look at.It's not necessarily _better_, but it probably alleviates the need for proper visual design if you can just gas everything 5m away.
>>747176402>picman thank god Bluepoint died. What a fucking disgrace that is
>>747155714it wasn't independently thoughone guy does it and makes money, then everyone follows and never stops until something else that's easy to copy makes money
>>747148010>BUT I LOVE IT WHEN SILENT HILL DIDED IT>IT MUH GENIUS TO HIDE RENDER DISTANCE COZ MUH HARDWARE LIMITASYUN>IT MUH VIBE MUH AURA MUH POG MUH KINO Silent Hill is the most rated piece of shit ever. Everything from the visuals, to art direction to writing to even the fucking soundtrack. Normies plebian sucks up to fucking Yamaoka like he's the Kojima of fucking vidya music when he simply used samples from the same fucking sample CDs everybody uses in the industry at the time and do simply edits like reverb and loop and shit LMOA you can't make this shit up.the whole nothingburger of the first map with nonsensical items placement, like wtf is even this, Silent Hill made RE item placement and wacky puzzles make more sense. In the first fucking map you get comical Granny-like item hunts like the fucking doghouse shit and all keys just coincidentally opens the same door and there's stupid lore scattered in random places like a child's crayon drawing under a garte behind a fence in the corner of nook and cranny deep in an alley and shit, the first fucking map has nothing but wild goose chase that you NEED to scour every inch of it just because, to waste time and bullets because the flying faggots are RNG and shit and it had the same if not worst tank control and shooting as RE but only RE gets the flak
>>747176546That's the thing, not only is it unrealistic for there to be so much fog on objects that aren't thousands of feet out into the distance or for there to be fog indoors but it also just looks like shit the vast majority of the time as well. It genuinely does not make any sense why anyone would want these washed out landscapes or indoor settings in their games
>>747173768fixed it for you
>>747148010what game is top right? valkyrie profile?
goyim are not people
>>747174704No, I mean dynamic weather. If you waited or fast traveled and came back, the area wouldn't still look like that. Some days it rains, some days it's foggy, and some days it's clear.
>>747169624Bottom makes Eve harder to notice, and you can't have that in a reaction-based action game.
>>747176627All the yellow paint is for people like you.I rest my case.
color theory is dead in video games
>>747178982genshin is a gorgeous game with amazing color but even it has anti-soul gas
>>747178982Based contrast conscious Anon.
Why do they do it /v/?
>>747168041no it isn't, it is my pic from a skiing trip
>>747176860>the game that puts the word "ash" on everything is more grayNot quite as genius an insight as all the anons who've pointed out for over a decade that Fromsoft's gothic horror game has a lot of dark and gloomy environments, but you're getting there.
>>747179650And yet you don't even know which country it was taken in. What's the point of lying about that? It's not really trolling and it's not funny. What is there to gain here?
>>747179572>my question has been answered 30 times already but let me post it again so more people will circlejerk with me
>>747179863It looks shit on every type of panel and disabling it makes games run smoother so the theories thusfar are wrong.
>>747179805not the anon you're replying to, but you're both full of shit as I know for a fact that it is a photo I took from a snowboard trip.
>>747179963Feel free to post another pic of that same mountain.
>>747151198>posting a shitty NINTENDO HIRE THIS MAN fan project for your argumentsad
>>747180105Good one.
>>747152456Lol
>>747179941You won't accept any answer other than "the devs are shit and retarded and the industry died 20 years ago" so stop asking everyone to repeat your opinion back to you.>inb4 2+2 and don't say 4You know what 2+2 is, so don't pretend you're asking.
>>747169783this image is literally what it feels like to have discerning taste in 2026
>>747180637This post could come from two people with completely opposite opinions on this godforsaken board and both of them would spam insults at you for 12 hours straight for not agreeing with them while contributing nothing.
It isn’t just video games.Anime has only recently started to cut back on its anti-soul gas equivalent, the vasoline filter.
>>747180393I will accept a sensical answer, which you have failed to provide.
>>747180927Movies too
>>747180959You will reject any answer that claims it contributes something visually by just unilaterally repeating "it looks like shit". You've already stated that as your conclusion. No argument can be made for it having technical value since it objectively does eat some resources to include, so if you reject subjective arguments by calling anyone who likes the effect a shiteater, there's no point presenting them to you at all.
>>747181543I notice that you are unable to provide an explanation, so you’re left with pretending that asking for one is “so weird and unreasonable that I shouldn’t dignify you with a response”, because feigned incredulity is all you have.
>>747180796ok
>>747182186>PLEASE stop pointing out how I already said I won't listen>PLEASE give an opinion so I can call you stupid without reading it PLEASE bro I need to jerk off to my own intelligenceThe arguments for it from a subjective point of view are right there in the thread, just read them if you want them so bad you double nigger.
>>747148547>LCDs have poor contrast>so lets reduce the contrast even further
>>747148010t. tasteless blind retard
>>747182685I see that it makes you upset that I’ve correctly ascertained that you have nothing to say on the subject of the thread and must deflect. You must retreat to personal taste, supposedly expounded elsewhere, without elaboration, as a reason for why it’s excessively used today. You deflect to me to get off topic. You deflect to a mysterious other to avoid engaging with the topic. You appeal to taste because you can retreat to it’s just an opinion bro. Pathetic.
these dipshits have both cracked open their thesaurus
it's to create variations in color/contrast so that the relevant things to focus on "pop" out more If you have everything at the same color/contrast levels things get very noisey and it's hard to identify what you are supposed to be looking at. You aren't actually seeing in 3d so it establishes actual depth at a glance, it's a good technique. >>747154153This is kind of a useful example the visual noise of the construction rafters draw your eyes so when you look at this image those are the first things you look at. While on the bottom you first look at snake or the two guys since they are more emphasized and your eyes are not pulled to the construction rafters.The problem is not the fog the problem is the games are shit deigned by people with no taste >>747171437it's literally just bad taste and process driven development where an artist can't just say it looks bad
>>747171841not your board.
>>747183245Older games without it pop more >>747178982And are easier to differentiate. All the fog does is wash everything out and blend elements together into an ugly vasoline soup.
>>747148492Thst O lu works for very distant or small objects, but the fog tints everything even close to the camera. This cannot be the explanation m
>>747148327That was me lol.I didn't think at the time it would catch on but it's funny it did.Originally I was talking about Monster Hunter World and how much worse the game looks with it on.>>747148252It's basically a lazy way to give the illusion of depth to an environment. "Volumetric" means 3D space.If you forcibly remove it from a game designed with it in mind the environments become more vibrant but also more flat. I prefer the vibrancy personally.
>>747183245…for lazy developers that can’t into visual design and are making the best out of their clusterfuck.
>>747148797Pretty sure space doesn't have Usplash+ floating around everywhere. This picture is FAKE.
>>747183512Older games had far less visual noise, if you want really high fidelity assets it creates a greater demand to have things pop out from it. Many games have an issue where the shit that matters is invisible and the normal strat is just painting it yellow which is awful. I wouldn't mind if they just returned to lower poly simpler stuff but I don't see that happening. Like I said there is nothing inherently fucked up about it it's mostly a matter of taste but it's just as you get higher fidelity things stand out less and you need to force it. They could just use actual color and have characters and worlds with distinct colors and textures but even then if oyu have sufficiently complex environments it will just look noisey. I personally just do simpler/lower poly/cell shading with distinct colors. >>747183672Yeah it's a taste thing but I don't think you can understate the impact of just complexity in the environments especially if you can't just get away with having bright colors, it's genuinely not an easy problem to solve. Would you rather have fog or red outlined enemies or something?
>>747151514What are you referring to? Liurnia or the lake in caelid?
>>747148010It's just a tool that some devs overused
They have bad taste. They’re copying ugly modern movies shot by cinematographers and directors with bad taste, or who do it because their cg workflow demands ugly flat lighting and normgroids don’t care.
>>747178982
>>747149353Oh no, Brapman is in NYC again!
>>747183165You know exactly why it has to be defended subjectively. It takes processing power to run so it's not good for performance. I just said that and like every other argument here you're ignoring it so you can say I'm sticking to subjectivity because I'm "scared". I'm pointing you to other subjective arguments here- not elsewhere, in the same thread- because I already went over the good and bad uses for volumetric fog like five times. There have already been anons pretending fog doesn't exist in real life, pretending this effect is only ever used at max intensity, pretending it's there in screenshots that don't even have it, cherrypicking screenshots that are the only time in a game it shows up, and more. Scroll up. Read. What you're asking for is there. Or keep your head up your own ass if you want, I'm definitely not expecting you to change at this point. Just stop fucking lying.>>747183242Thanks, phoneposter.
>>747183880The pursuit of realism has raped and gaped video games to death.
>>747181245>>747184178Yes, filmmakers are so addicted to antisoul gas that they invented dust and fog in real life.
>>747150626Is this fogshit an attempt to smooth edges? Why se would you place it right in front of the camera over characters standing directly in front of it?
actually, the #1 root cause of all evil including this one is volumetric lighting
>>747159940A sandstorm is a storm. Completely different from a fog.
>>747184295>you know why it has to be defended subjectivelyBecause you have nothing else. It’s objectively taxing system resources and it objectively obscures the image which is less conducive to engaging with the graphics in a video game. So all you can say is you like having cataract vision because… because you just do okay?!
>>747184413Old filmmakers just couldn’t reproduce a natural aspect of “real life” apparently, they needed modern filmmakers to show them how its done (in the colorist suite because that’s not how the set looked on the day lmao)
>>747148010>>747148349Why the fuck did God put this bullshit in the game?
>>747183880Thank you for at least attempting to come up with a real answer. I don’t believe it solves the problem. But I can agree that too much unnecessary detail is bad visual design.
>>747185228Not even close to the same thing, bad faith.
>>747182702See>>747161171LCD is clearly harder to see the game with actual contrast
>>747184206There's way more wrong with this than fog.>armor is overcomplicated with patterns that don't match>yellow bit around the neck changed to gray>colors are darkened and desaturated even in parts that are well lit and close to the camera>lighting is all wrong, makes the environments look uniform>metal gate isn't any more reflective than a stone wall>UI changed from something creative and thematic to a generic meter>entire graveyard is visible at once, removing creepy atmosphere>sky changed from dark blue to purpleThe area easily could have been made foggy (it's supposed to be a graveyard with bad visibility, fog would make perfect sense) without obliterating distinct colors and turning the whole thing bright as day. They could even have kept the lights from the windows in the distance and the eyes on the skulls since they would've been spooky and dim enough not to light up the whole area. Someone fucked up bad here.
>>747148424>winter picture>all moisture is frozen>hence no fog
>>747185228
>>747185425So the solution is to make it look as comparatively shit to everybody?
>>747171880eh, night city is supposed to be a polluted shithole covered in smog
>>747184856Yes, and that's why dark rooms in horror games are bullshit we should do away with. It takes more resources to simulate and it obscures the image.
>>747185739Yeah see this is what I mean by you have nothing. Take the specific way image obfuscation has an objective purpose and then apply that to all other matters as if that’s a gotcha.Next you’ll say you can’t clown on bad controls in general because rage games like QWOP achieve their goals by having bad controls on purpose.
>>747148010But dude if you don't wash everything out, there may be slight visual clutter! It could possibly make it up to 10% harder for the lowest common denominator to parse! We HAVE to make 2/3rd of the screen completely free of saturation or contrast, so that no one becomes confused! Also they expect it now so if we do anything differently it will be alienating! Change is scary!
>>747185973The defenses for it in this thread have been almost entirely pointing out cases where it can be applied while acknowledging that it shouldn't be used everywhere. The ones I wrote certainly have. You don't know that, of course, because you've spent an hour refusing to read them.
subhuman mutts don't understand how cameras or graphics work>fog didn't exist in old games>LODs aren't real>HDR GOOD>>747151292https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuByHMDv5aYdingdingding fresh unfiltered grafics m'subhuman>well you see if everything was just 1 color at every distance I would be a satisfied customerKEKKKKKKKKKKKK
>>747186124I’ll accept your qualifier as an additional concession. Not only can you not articulate your position, choosing instead to appeal to a theoretical post that you theoretically made, not only do you admit that if you had articulated yourself, it would be a purely subjective position which I doubt you could elaborate on beyond ‘I liek it tho’ (unlike the reverse), but now you admit that had you articulated your purely subjective position, it wouldn’t even apply in full to the topic of discussion, this pervasive trend in video games.Truly, you had nothing to offer.
>>747186917It's an actual point I actually made that you're continuing to ignore because you're too busy being enlightened by your own intelligence to scroll up. READ, NIGGA, READ.
>>747186523>We should emulate the flaws inherent to photography because I said soFailed directors going into video games has been a disaster
The problem with anti-soul gas is that devs apply it to the foreground, midground, and background which ironically flattens the image because everything merges into being around the same value, saturation, and color temperature. No one complains when a good landscape painter uses atmospheric perspective because they apply it appropriately to create space well unlike many game devs.
>>747187150>I promise I totally owned you somewhere else please don’t use brain hurty words
>>747187190Reasonable take.
>>747187190Yeah, pretty much, although I'll add that a lot of the anons who call it anti-soul gas are also incapable of distinguishing good usage from bad usage and will confuse any instance of anything being out of focus with a case of what they're talking about. See some of the "examples" earlier where its application made sense or what they were showing wasn't volumetric fog at all. The depth of field examples were especially bad.
>>747187190If you’re gonna use the fog, this is correct. Lightly applied to covey vast distances.
>>747187289Read. It's easy. I made arguments for this, other people made arguments for this, they're all there, you can see them whenever you find the page up button on your keyboard. We'll wait.
>>747187528There is more bad usage than proper usage nowadays. Certain individuals mixing it up with DoF doesn’t negate the complaint.
>>747151198are you seriously trying to say right looks better, is that seriously what you're doing right now
>>747187190this is the only reasonable take itt. Why do indoor have fog? why in front of the player or at least 20ft? That's not how real life work and breaks immersion
>>747187634404: Argument not found (again)>>747187803It does.
>>747187764That's a fair position, but it doesn't negate the issue with /v/ being straight up retarded about this and pulling the same angle they do every time something gets turned into a buzzword- throwing it out at every opportunity whether it's accurate or not. Every game with dodging is rollslop, every platformer is bing bing wahoo, every game with comedy is reddit, and every game with fog, desaturation, depth of field, or god rays is anti-soul gas.
>>747148010that's TAA anon
>>747187803You could make an argument for bottom left, but when you can barely make out anything in top left, you know they fucked up
i honestly think they do it to increase requirements for graphics and make you have to buy a new graphics card
I HECKIN LOV FOGORINO
>>747188186The internet as a whole does not know how to talk about most aspects of art, 4chan is better than most but still bad. There are also a lot of posters that just want to get a reaction or goof off and will intentionally say something wrong to do so.
>>747152065Looks like a diorama
>>747187951>where is the argument>here's 20 pages of arguments>I will never, under any circumstances, for as long as I live, readAlright, that wraps it up then. Mark up another self-awarded win for acting smug on the internet.
>>74718795199% of the time I agree and the old version just has a ton more soul like this>>747184206but this right here>>747151198is so retarded i almost thought it was suppose to be ironic, OOT hyrule looks like ASS even with the upscaling. what do we call this phenomenon, is it just pure pretentiousness?
>>747187903That's how my house works. Not sure what the problem is it's realistic. I mean it's not as foggy outside as it in inside which is a little w
>>747148797>spherical earth????
>>747188341>fog and smoke visibly coming from specific points in the wallsI don't understand, why do they add this unrealistic anti-soul gas for no reason?
>>747180927retarded, those two shots read entirely differently.If the animation director thought those were interchangeable he should be fucking fired.>leftcrowdcommunalbusyunfocusednoise>rightalone in a crowdfocusedinternal quietcontemplative
>>747188504damn, nigga. I didn't know you don't have AC and humidity controls. But indoor environments don't have this problem IRL cause the air would be dehumidfied to prevent light scattering and the anti-soul gas
>>747188417None of your posts ever had anything of substance to say so yeah I’ll be taking that award. Maybe next time you can participate directly instead of vaguely alluding to having participated elsewhere.
>>747148010I've noticed that when you apply DLSS 5 neural rendering to these older games to give them a more photorealistic quality one of the things it does is delete all the volumetric fog and atmospheric scattering. It's so overblown in every modern title.
>>747188690Many animation directors need to be fired then because the vasoline filter is often universally applied.
>>747188690It lacks visual clarity and obscures the scene, and is therefore bad. You just like having cataracts. Realism shouldn't come before readability.I understand complaining about a game fucking up the visuals in a remake or making all its environments washed out for no reason, but half this thread is just anons proving that artistic intention is something they don't believe exists outside of games that look like OG Crash Bandicoot. I'm surprised no one tried to call the clouds in Archdragon Peak anti-soul gas with how bad it's gotten.
>>747148424>>747148424You can have both visual clarity and the fog in the distance. They aren't mutually exclusive.
>>747189006Rent free + bad faith
>>747189236Yeah, because the multiple times people have already posted Dark Souls 3 in this thread as if its color scheme was an accident are good faith.
>>747189340Whataboutism.
>>747148547LCD's having poor contrast would make developers make the games have artificially boosted contrast, not lessened lmao.
>>747189438Right, like GBA games
>>747189236I cant tell if you didnt understand the other anon's sarcasm, you are a bot, or if you really do walk outside and curse God for scattering and ruining your "visual clarity"
>>747189383It's not whataboutism when people overusing the term and giving bad examples is exactly what I was complaining about.
>>747189647He is sarcastically emulating me (rent free) and applying my argument poorly (bad faith).
>>747189340although I personally don't think ds3 looks bad: people criticizing dark souls 3 over its colour gradient is totally 100% understandable, it being "intentional" is irrelevant I don't think anyone has commented on it being intentional or not
>>747189696Responding to an accusation of bad faith by pointing to somebody else that did it, is whataboutism.>But what about *that* guy?!That’s nice but you did what you did.
>>747189791The retarded aspect is because if the color scheme was bright and vibrant, it wouldn't match what's supposed to be going on in the setting at all (and because the game does have some bright areas and contrast, as your image shows).
>>747189947The hell are you talking about. I said people overuse the complaint, I gave an example of someone overusing it. That's not deflection, it's directly illustrating the point. Are you just mad I opened with sarcasm?
>>747190090See>>747189780
>>747190161Okay, you are mad I opened with sarcasm. I don't care. I wasn't trying to copy one anon's entire posting style, I mixed a bunch of stuff from other posts, if that offends you personally that's your issue.
>>747189438Yeah bro you must be a developer that worked on a game right, you must know the lighting devs are doing. Just for no reason at all they decided to be retarded and intentionally made it worse for no reason
>>747190294>Just for no reason at all they decided to be retarded and intentionally made it worse for no reasonNot for 'no reason', but because they're outright retarded and spiteful.
>>747189979no one is saying every zone needs to be bright and vibrant either though, a lot of fantasy including previous dark souls games have this dark gritty environmental design but they can still have pops of colour so you're not just looking at different shades of grey for 50 hours. if you think it is fine and it was necessary for dark souls 3 to look like this, but it is equally fine if someone says they don't like it
>>747151198you stupid nigger, you can literally see in the distance on left that there are areas without fog, and that the area with fog looks like clouds of fog, its rolling morning fog you jackass
>>747190263>madFraming you hallucinated about me to feel better.>don’t careThen don’t reply.>I mixed a bunch of stuffAll me.>sarcasmI will take you at your word that you didn’t just vent into a strawman because you had nothing.
>>747190483I understand if someone isn't interested, but being that invested in every game having bright colors and saturation to the point of calling it "anti-soul" strikes me as way more autistic than enjoying one which is mostly gray for a logical and clearly explained reason.
>>747190529Not everything is about you.
>>747190784It has visual hallmarks of the trend, but I can agree it’s a dumb game to lead with.
>>747190364Yeah bro that makes way more sense! Its not the display it must be thousands of lighting developers suddenly all becoming spiteful at their audience at the same timeframe and wants to produce something worse. Thousands of devs all came together and agreed on this in a secret meeting
>>747190848Sure made it seem that way when all you wanted to talk about was me instead of your position.
>>747190902A ridiculous long shot makes more sense than an impossibility yes. Though obviously it’s neither.
>>747190939>you paraphrased MY arguments in MY thread about MY anti-soul posts so it's ME you're talking about it doesn't matter if it was a quarter of the post it's all about ME ME MEEEEEEEEEEEHoly shit it was just the first line, get over yourself.
>*gasses this thread*Say goodbye to your souls
>>747191293>Strawman Strawman StrawmanNever contributed anything of substance award.
>>747190784is it really such a weird thing that people might prefer games using something as fundamental as "colour", a game like Dark Souls 3 kind of melts together in a sea of grey the only zone I see people talk about is Irithyll. This thread is full of games that kind of just wash everything out. Out of all the things to complain about this seems pretty normal to me, like with some era of the MCU films where everyone is saying the colour palette looks like concrete.
>>747191380You ignored 75% of my post to complain about feeling personally targeted, that's all you've said, and you call me the one with nothing to contribute. Take your meds.
