Bronze Age games doko?
>>747221368Chuds would have a meltdown
>>747221445You kids do know only you still call yourselves chuds, right?
>>747221487Woke 1.0 was crazy
Bump
>>747221368Mycenean/Minoan milkers
AC Odyssey is as close as you’ll get without playing an RTS like Age of Empires
>>747221368>dude, entire high tier bronze age civilizations all collapsed and disappeared at the exact same moment>isn't that just wacky, haha>why? i dunno, lolModern history sure is wacky.
>>747227652Fashion never evolved past them.>tfw can't post 60% of my bronze age folder without getting jannied, too many nipples
>>747232865Why did women stop doing this?
>>747232865I wouldn't be able to survive in this society with that much titty out and about
>>747221368Play Zeus master of Olympus and Poseidon.
>>747233476>>747233162back in the day men all have a free cumdumpster at home so lust provoking image doesn't affect them as much
>>747232623The idea of a sudden collapse is the problem.
>>747221368i liked it despite how flawed and unfinished it ended up being
>>747232623Everytime someone says "historians said X" on the internet , you just know it's one of the following cases:>It's an outdated theory from 50 years ago >The "historian" in question is a pop """historian""" without meaningful insight on the subject>Nobody ever said that, even>A Redditor/E-celeb made it up>AI hallucinations
>>747232623It's not like they vanished into thin air, just a ton of people died and the rest didn't know how to write shit down.
>>747232623'historical record' going back that far is pretty much entirely speculation, with next to zero first hand accounts.You now realize 99% of historical record before the medieval period is just some guy that lived hundreds of years later saying it happened
>>747236948>'historical record' going back that far is pretty much entirely speculation, with next to zero first hand accounts.Read a book please
>>747235272I notice 99% of /v/ just gets things from the same melting pot of retardation and hysteria the rest of the world listens to these days: random retards on youtube videos, social media, the news and other impressionable retarded anons who lack common sense and bring down the intelligence of every space they visit.
>>747221368Total war Pharoah:Dynasties Dont play pharoahDont play troyThey suck
>>747240264>Total war Pharoah>Dont play pharoahhello?
>>747240079If you ever browse Instagram you'll realise the exact same memes posted there get posted on 4cuck, but only after 2 days
>>747232623our age of bronze is collapsing...
>>747240468They're different games
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>>747221368age of empires 1.The best remake was the original campagins for that aoe 2 DE expansion.
>>747232865I like how some teenager bared their breasts and nobody thought to cover them again.
>>747237918Learn to read, I said ALMOST entirelyObviously there are surviving records
>>747232623>dude, entire bronze age ended because mysterious sea people from came from nowhere and murderraped everyone>um, who the fuck are mysterious sea people that showed up out of nowhere, murderraped everyone and then vanished? dunno, lolModern academia sure is funny.
>>747221368nai desu, demo, gorudo eji ga arimasu
>>747241881arent they just the philistines that ravaged the land of canaan while the Israelites were wandering in the wilderness and then took their already weakened settlements?
>>747241881I thought they found out they were literally just from the western mediterranian?
>>747240264>>747240468Niggas who can't spell pharaoh shouldn't comment.
>>747242491You’re replying to a guy that knows nothing about the topic
>>747241881>>um, who the fuck are mysterious sea people that showed up out of nowhere, murderraped everyone and then vanished? dunno, lolFilipinos.
>>747221368After some light historical reading over the weekend, I was thinking about how cool a bronze age collapse setting would be for some kind of video game.>>747242491The "sea peoples" were like 10 different groups of people. Some of them were from Europe, some from Libya, some from Asia minor. It's thought that one of the groups were the Nuragic civilization of Sardinia.
>>747242616looks like the guy you are responding to, barely knows anything about it himself.
>>747242776so you're saying they wuz pirates an sheit?
>>747242616Who hurt you sweety?Are you literally autistic or something? Gonna piss and shit your pants?
>>747242806At least he hasn’t fallen for the “muh modern academia BAD” grift for the ten thousandth time like some dumb amerimutt
>>747232865catbox it, educate us
>>747231000>AC OdysseyThat's like 1000 years after the bronze age, bub
>>747242854Yes. One of the groups called the Lukka, from southwest Anatolia, were especially known for piracy before the bronze age collapse.
>>747242961What part of as close as you’ll get don’t you understand? Are comparatives too difficult to understand? No, more likely you’re just a brainlet who’s conditioned to keep spouting their script.
>>747221368artist: Joan Francesc Olivares (no it's not AI)
>>747236948We have more contamporary sources for the late roman republic >2000 years ago than for any period of the middleagesStop making shit up about subjects you know nothing about, there is nothing more retarded and subhuman than that
>>747221368I just beat Resonance Plague Tale, it takes places right in the Minoan Civilization.
What the fuck are you blabbering about? Collapse wasn't sudden, didn't happen absolutely everywhere at the same time and was linked to a climate change, not just some random pirates. It's kinda hard to maintain economy and administration when your fields produce nothing and everyone is starving.
>>747242491They were a travelling horde of refugees from all across the mediterranean, from numerous ethnocultural groups, that banded up after being displaced from their homes, and got violent as the ongoing trade, climate and resource crises worsened in the region. They began to roam and pillage because they couldn't lives any more stable than the ones they left behind.They weren't the sole, or even the main cause for the collapse, but they sped it along. The collapse started decades before anyone knew of any sea peoples, with worsening trade, prolonged droughts, overfarming sapping the soil of nutrients etc. Factors that primarily caused the "sea peoples" themselves. Basically, the collapse would've happened even without them.
>>747232623The collapse was like 10 different catastrophic events happening within a span of like 200 years.
>>747243098NOOOOOOOO ANON, THINK OF THE ADVERTISERS AIEEEEEEEEEE
>>747243401It's like national geographic type stuff, doesn't count
>>747240468Pharaoh Dynasties makes the game feel more akin to older TWs, the other 2 feel like Warhammer reskins.
>>747243098Were there actually women with huge tits back then? I always think of it as a modern thing with hormones and high-fat, high-calorie diets.
>>747243098meet the man who invented the AI artstyle that they all learned it from
>>747243098that's some damn great titties
>>747243137and we have more firsthand from the middle ages than the bronze age
>>747243098i don't think they grew to be that big back then
>>747243221>>747243282What happened with the climate? Did ancient farming techniques lead to desertification?
>>747243578>>747243805the oldest pornography we have depicts fat milkers
>>747243849idk man let me just jump into my time machine to find out
>>747243913>41,000 years ago
>>747232865I would gladly sacrifice all of india or tel aviv to bring women like this back and make them like white boys
>>747243098
>>747243098how do I get a pale big milkers open dress gf like this?
>>747243849Cold waves just happen sometimes. Same shit happened right before Black Death in Europe. It wasn't just rats, wars and hygene. Not enough food led to weak immune systems and then other factors happened.
>>747243849Happened during a drought that lasted for a few hundred years.
>>747243849It was simply a prolonged cold period of several hundred years. The effect it had on the mediterranean was a drying one. Back then agricultural practices weren't all that advanced, so crop rotation was rare and fields would accumulate salt over centuries of constant overfarming (river irrigation and no fallow periods). The combined effect led to a gradual downturn in food production, which the societies of the time (often very centralized and bureaucratic, but not forward-thinking) couldn't adjust to.The earth sometimes goes through these sudden periods of change, see the post-medieval Little Ice Age. Wasn't really so little on human timescales, we're practically fresh out of it.
>>747232865host it somewhere else like catbox and post the link like other anon said, I love collecting historical art that depicts beautiful women, really helps to show how far we've fallen as a culture.
>>747243849Most of human history is winging it. Just doing barely enough to survive on a physical, societal, emotional and mental level. If its not paleolithic man hunting a steppe bison with his tribe and losing 2 of them in the process its some demented shitposting neet on /v/ complaining the entire world is out to get him, but still having more food and amenties to get by.
>>747243098You know it's funny how the first thing people look for when trying to determine AI is the hands when hands are already something artists suck at drawing. It's almost as though the reason AI sucks at them is because they're trained on artists who are also bad at it.
>>747245136>Artists use their hands to create art>can't draw hands
Thoughts on the theory that Homer's poems describe the journey of the Sea Peoples?
>>747245131>some demented shitposting neet on /v/ complaining the entire world is out to get him, but still having more food and amenties to get bysuch is the result of widescale erosion of the power process
>>747245675That's retarded.
>>747245136AI is like Hitler at art school. Terrible at creativity and conveying the human form and human expression. Superficially looks great to plebs and anyone with no critical or cognitive thinking skills.
>>747243785We still have literally thousands of clay tablets from the era. Clay tablets last stupid long without losing form when they're fired, and the smaller bronze age ones we dig out of ruins are often good as new once dusted off.A lot of them are just random records from random shopkeepers and bureaucrats of the time, but many also house myths, legends and histories of the people who wrote them. The Epic of Gilgamesh has been found several times over, sometimes with previously unknown parts included in newly found tablets.One of the more interesting tablets comes from the city of Ugarit right at the tail end of the bronze age collapse. It's the words of the ruler of the near-defenceless city pleading for reinforcements from a neighbouring city-state as the sea peoples are fast approaching. The tablet was never sent before the attack, instead it was dropped on the floor, fired by the blaze ravaging the sacked city, then found millennia later by archaeologists, perfectly readable.
>>747221445Why? It was a glorious era.
>>747245961
>>747245675Makes sense for Illiad. Surely greeks were raiding Troy for years not for a crumb of pussy but because it was a rich trading port on a strait between two seas.
>>747232623>entire high tier bronze age civilizations all collapsed and disappeared at the exact same momentNo? Both Egypt and Assyria continued to exist.
>>747232623I blame civilizations not securing a reliable source of high quality copper for their bronze.
>>747245675The Odyssey is probably influenced by Greek colonial expansion, like Shakespeare's Tempest was influenced by British colonial expansion.
>>747246147>Surely greeks were raiding Troy for years not for a crumb of pussyAre you sure about that
>>747243520This
>>747232623tower of babel
>>747245961>Superficially looks great to plebs and anyone with no critical or cognitive thinking skills.Hitler turned a failed state of a country into a world superpower in, like, 7 yearsHis only mistake that he was too hasty and wasn't prepared to fight two other superpowers all at once
>>747246147The pussy was never important, it's the principle of the thing.
>>747242454Take your meds right now.
>>747246516>Hitler turned a failed state of a country into a world superpower in, like, 7 yearsYou're thinking of Stalin
>>747221368Isn't there a bunch of games that cover early ages of humanity. It's just most are grand strategy or city buildings and /v/ can't handle anything that does have a sword and a dodge roll
>>747243098Imagine a getting a titjob while those heavy golden necklaces sway, clanging together, and graze your skin with a spine-chilling cold touch.
Best thread on /v/ right now.
>>747221368Isnt the new fire emblem game set in a bronze age like era?
>>747245675They probably got invaded by them too actually, go watch some Eric Cline lectures on it.https://youtu.be/bRcu-ysocX4?si=Az9PiRFpYVfnAODt
>>747247087this dude rules
>>747246353Usable copper is everywhere, it's the tin that's the issue. The only viable tin for bronze production at the time came from mines at either the british isles or somewhere towards Afghanistan and central Asia.All the tin the mediterranean societies used was imported through long trade chains from primitive places they had never seen, charted or necessarily even heard of. Chalcolithic tribals, semi-nomadic pastoralists, we have no records of who mined the shit up. The production end of the chain didn't know where the tin went, and the grand bronze age societies didn't know where it came from. That's the extent of the foresight of the bureaucracy at the time; complete region-wide reliance on a material they could never possibly secure themselves.
>>747235165Ruined by half the companions being unbearable and ending on a cliffhanger
>>747244260>>747243520>>747243805Get feminists wife
>>747243965>>747243913Any futa model?
>>747243098>look like righttfw no pale skin big tiddy gf
>>747247619I second this
>>747247619no, but there is a loli model
>>747243098did people that pale did exist in those regions?
>>747247619>>747247772why can't futafags just go 10 seconds without mentioning how much they love cocks
>>747242152Philistines probably are a remnant of the Sea People that settles in the Levant after much of the mediterranean burns down. Not a cause. They're like middle east Normans/Vikings.
>>747232865I will never believe the bare breasts minoans were a thing.tits are all and good when they are young and perky, but no one would want to go all day seeing old hags hanging tits
>>747248125Nudist places have a lot of old people. Usually mostly old people in my experience. Also you're wrong, some people like big old veiny saggers.
as for actual historic games check Predynastic Egypt and Egypt: Old Kingdomvery simplistic but pretty neat 4x games with some educational bits
>>747247879Mycenaean women of high standing (royals, wealthy socialites) spent their entire lives indoors in grand palace complexes, and the trips between neighbouring ones on an island the size of Crete were never long. Getting practically no sun ever makes for very pale people. It's a trait that has been valued in sedentary women by many societies across the millennia, as recently as victorian era Britain even.
>>747248125People spent hundreds of thousands of years hunting or gathering naked. Clothes were only meant to keep warm in harsh environments. The only stigma against it was a societal one.
Mycaneans were not Greek, they were Illyrians(Albanians)Know your history faggot
>>747248586that's makes sense, tfw no pale mycenaean bitty titty noble gf
>>747233162Blame the sea people.
>>747248728Why did the Mycenaeans speak Greek instead of Albanian?
>>747243098I deserve Minoan milkers and labyrinth palace. Fuck this gay earth>>747247879Minoans are primarily descended from Anatolian Neolithic Farmers (ANF), the original people that brought agriculture to europe - and the baseline admixture that make what we would today call modern white people. Pop sci says ANF/EEF are the originators of european pale skin phenotype, but I'm pretty sure the true story is more complicated (not an archaeogeneticist) since people with more heavy ANF heritage like Greeks or Sardinians are pale by African standards but still pretty tan. Populations in northern europe with heavier Steppe ancestry are much more pale, so clearly the ghost white mutation evolved further in northern europe. In short, probably not. That chick would have to slathering herself in white paint to look like that in real life.
>>747247879Look at her feet and ankles, much more natural looking skin color. Most of that paleness is probably makeup.
>>747221368King of the Dragon Pass, set in Glorantha, home setting to RuneQuest, the Bronze Age RPG.
>>747247879No. Greeks are super tanned. The only light-skinned ones are Slavic.
>>747221368Pharaoh/Zeus from SierraTwilight of BronzeDawn of Man later levels
>>747221368I would kill for a bronze age city builder
>>747245961>AI is like Hitler at art school.So pretty good and hated by jews because it takes away their power?
>>747241881civilization at the time was a precarious network of interconnected trade that relied on every piece contributing. It was unstable and prone to cascading failure. "Sea peoples" were just roving bands of looters and starving people after the fact.
>>747249575Unfortunately it's too kino for the hylics of /v/
>>747241881That's the pop culture perspective based on academia from 100 years ago though, the actual modern academic perspective is>they were multiple different peoples from places like Sardinia and Greece and they didn't cause the collapse, but rather were only a symptom of it
>>747250750>tfw you'll never get to be a duck cursed with sentience
>>747232865You guys think if men covered their nipples the way women do (for cultural reasons) that women (or gay men) would find seeing them to be erotic?
>>747243578There's always been exceptions to the general trend.Harald Hardrada was 6 ft 6 in (198 cm), Charlemagne 6 ft 4 in (193 cm)And not body shape related but Ramesses II and Sophocles both lived to be 90.And let us not forget the King Huemac meme.
I could never be someone interested in archaeology because knowing you'd never really get to see or understand the culture that you're digging up would break my heart
>>747243098Well close enough
>>747243098I like the background drawing here
>>747252509Literal Mycenaean Goddess...Whoa...
>>747252509Her tiddies are awesome.
>>747243578Of course there were. Huge breasts are genetic and would still express even in times of caloric scarcity. They would be much more rare than we have today, but that only makes them more appealing. I distinctly recall a primary source during college that discussed what kind of breast is ideal for feeding children, and they mention huge breasts are unsuitable because of the “glut” of milk it would give the child.
>>747242454>if you believe in this thing you must believe in that thing too and be this kind of guywhy is all modern propoganda like this?
>>747243098This is technically safework since it's educational like a documentary
>>747221542obsessed
>>747249575Came here to post this, glad someone beat me to the punch.
>>747252807This. There are amazing amount of tiddies on YT thanks to that lifehack.
>>747252691Forgot to add the primary source was Principate Rome, so 50ish AD.
>>747249917Nebuchadnezzar Epic Palace: Knossos Sumerians
>>747249917Zeus, Poseidon and Pharaoh.
>>747249575Thoughts on modern copies?>six ages>six ages 2
>>747252509I weep for Zoomers that Sydney Sweeney is the only (singular) busty actress they have. Millennials were spoiled for choice.
>>747252535It's a real fresco.
>>747253148And Emperor Rise of the Middle Kingdom
>>747253215>>747252863 here, Six Ages 1 kinda had an unsatisfying ending that it felt like you weren't really involved in, but 2 fixed basically everything I didn't like about it.They're not copies, anyways, they're legitimate sequels, they're in Glorantha and everything.
>>747253236Gen Z has a talent drought when it comes to any form of entertainment. When your choices are Zendaya, Sydney Sweeney or Sadie Sink you know things are grim.
>>747232623historians hate catastrophism and will fucking murder you for even hinting at it; another cool thing: around 1500 years ago, 95% of the world's human population fucking died within an 18 month period and every center of civilization in every part of the world (america, china, india, yurope, fucking everywhere) just disintegrated, wiped the fuck out leaving mountains of skeletons and (where written records somehow survived) accounts of utter horror, chaos, death, disease, and devastation, even testimonies of the dead rising from their graveswe do not know what year it is. we fucking don't. anyone who says we do is a redditor and lying through their teeth.t. historiographer
>>747253215First game is railroaded since they wanted to go through canon events so if you try to do your own thing you lose and the second game flopped so we're never getting any sequels
>>747252784Propaganda separates you from the herd and wears down your preconceived notions to be replaced by state-manufactured beliefs. In this way, propaganda can be seen as a sort of State Cult.
>>747248125>no one would want to go all day seeing old hags hanging titsWould there even be that many old people back then? I can't imagine many people lived past 40, let alone long enough to get granny titties.
>>747253520Isn't this just someone picking up a random disease and spreading it everywhere via main trade routes?Like what happened to the romans with small pox from the middle-east?
>>747243965That looks like a roast chicken left to rot in a dumpster.
>>747253875Anon is lying, 95% of the global population dying over an 18 month period would be the single most documented event in history, especially in an era as literate as 500 AD.
>>747253613It really is a shame, since 2 was great.I'm still kinda surprised we've never gotten a proper Runequest CRPG
>>747254059Dumpsters are, coincidentally, where most anthropologists study civilizations. In the future, people will judge America by the trash we’ve thrown away.
>bunch of cave men retards in loin cloths built this with some rope and bare hands 3000 years ago>they also built it around obtuse stuff like moon, sun cycles and position of the starsGo on, make us laugh.
>>747253824Average life expectancy is low due to high amounts of infant and child mortality. Not because people crooked when they hit their 40s. As long as you made it to 8 or so you generally could expect to live a normal lifetime.
>>747253758Good point.
>>747254183people were unironically smarter back then
>>747253824do you even know what average means?it means lots of kids die, if you lived past puberty there was a big chance you'd see old age
>>747254059It's made from a mammoth tusk.
>>747252509Fuck off rusanglogermcuck
>>747254183it makes more sense when you add the widespread presence of giants that have been mostly scrubbed from historyBut if you want to get a farther out therePyramids across the world all have specific piezoelectric materials that imply other means of manipulation via auditory harmonics
>>747254183anon it's even better than that, gobekli tepe is 12,000 years ago which means literal cavemen throwing spears at mammoths also built an advanced stone star chart complex and buried it for reasons. the arrogance of academia is astounding.
>>747253482>Sadie SinkShe aint that bad desu.>>747253520>around 1500 years ago, 95% of the world's human population fucking died within an 18 month period and every center of civilization in every part of the world (america, china, india, yurope, fucking everywhere) just disintegrated,1500 years ago is Justinian plague that just fucked Byzantine Empire and Persia hard. Nothing like you wrote happened...Are you one of the American retards who think 1500 years ago was some magical dinosaurs time or something??>>747253875No its not because no such thing happened.1500 years ago is literally when Amalasuntha takes power in Italy.
>>747254183The pyramids were a brief period of Egypt’s history. They stopped building them because of how prohibitively expensive they were. The vast majority of Pharaohs were buried in the Valley of the Kings. Your amazement was their headache, and some of their earliest pyramids were built wrong.
>>747253520Are you referring to the plague of Justinian?
>oh, we found a brand new underground chamber in Giza not seen by humans for thousands of years?>get the cement truck and let's bury the entrance, lol
>>747254545>literally
>>747253520>95%I think you're overestimating a bit. The genetic bottleneck from that kind of thing would have wiped out everywhere not Africa.
>>747254510>Caligula had ball bearings for his private boat house statues but he was such a PR disaster that rome just chucked them away
>>747254784>>747254510>>747254183>t. just watched Ancient Apocalypse on jewflix
>>747254784I’m sure it contains an alien teleporter.
why are all the schizos acting up all out of sudden
>>747254237This. The oldest civilization, the Sumerians, kept both a base-10 and base-60 number system and had already figured out the 360-degree circle, the 365-day year, the 30-day month, seven-day weeks, 24-hour days, sixty-minute hours, sixty-second minutes, the Pythagorean theorem, accurately solved the square root of 2, invented geometry, among many others before the Egyptians had ever built a pyramid. They also invented the first writing and built the first locations that we'd call a city. The ancients were smart as fuck.
>>747254934Schizos get very active when the fever hits.
>>747254934It’s their daily Joe Rogan based archaeology thread
>>747254991They also thought women were property and can’t be trusted with anything more complicated than the household. Not too smart now, huh?
>>747255083>complain that /v/ never talk about interesting things>complain when /v/ talk about interesting things( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )
>>747254934GTA 6 thread died for this...
>>747255117When you put it like that, they were fucking geniuses.Jokes aside, a singular woman is mentioned on the SKL, Kubaba, an innkeeper who ascended to the throne of Kish
>>747254934Someone interested in Bronze Age is easier to lure to read their schizo shit and then maybe believe it and spread it further.>>747255083>muh Joe roganRogan had people shitting on Dubay and hancock on his show, stop with this retarded drivel.>>747254828>you used one word therefore somethingits a time AFTER the fall of Rome, in one year Justinian will become Emperor of Rome, its after battle of Soissons, Chalons, Merovigians rule in France etc.its not some deep fucking prehistory that could have something like you describe happen without anyone noticing and passing the knowledge.
>>747255213WHY DON'T YOU CHUDS JUST TRUST THE SCIENCE?
>>747254183I use to think it was bullshit myself but then you realise ancient people literally had nothing else to do, there was no distractions, and those in charge could just demand something be made under punishment of death. If they wanted a pile of rocks stacked up they didnt have to go through a beurocratic process of stamps and approvals to do it, they just said "do it" and people who had nothing to do all day had their entire life revolve around moving rocks and being given food and water to do so, every single day until they died.
>>747255213I’ve never complained about the first point nor is your daily babbling about your pleb tier knowledge of archeology interesting.
>>747254510Also, entire Gobelki tepe site is going to get buried by the Turkish government because reasons?
>>747249917Songs of Syx is pretty much this, except with like, pigmen and rapist wood elves and murderhobo lizards
>>747255328Dumb AIslop believer
>>747232623>dude, entire high tier bronze age civilizations all collapsed and disappeared at the exact same moment
>>747255343They did, in fact, have bureaucratic papers and bullshit to go through. The Pharaoh was top dog but could be told, “that’s not a good idea” if it really wasn’t a good idea. The Egyptian government had a whole administration dedicated to Dier el-Medina and the making of tombs.
>>747255523The thing people ignore is the Spanish had help from over 100,000 other natives who hated the Aztecs. Thats how hated they were. A prime example of how being an asshole eventually does carry consequences.
>>747255498>>747255328Just a natural rock formation.Just go to sleep, bro.
>>747255523>have boats with canons>"i know, let's go really close to them, disembark, and fight them by hand"why would they do this? are they stupid?
>>747255343>people who had nothing to do all dayI would bring up the Haber-Bosch process, but you're clearly retarded, so I'll just mention it here for everyone else ITT.
>>747254784>we found some fresh ancient Greek ruins?>blow it all up lmaoYou don't hate the f*ench enough.
>>747255343>it was bullshit myself but then you realise ancient people literally had nothing else to doThat doesn't really address the fact of chronically malnourished slaves subsisting on bread and beer being able to magically push and pull multi-ton stone blocks hundreds of feet in the air with just ropes and wooden pulleys. There's missing pieces.
>>747255873>chronically malnourished slavesWell thats easy - they weren that.
>>747254991The funny thing to me about the earliest writing is that it doesn't even correspond to speech. The syntax is all about keeping records and time. The notion that a written symbol could have a phonetic component attached came quite a bit later. For over a millennium, writing was essentially its own separate "language", a bit like programming code, but for economics.
>>747232623It's fun to consider how adrift in time we really are.
>>747255679Nah my point was that the plague wiped out 80 to 95 percent of Aztecs, Mayans and Incas. That shit is some Biblical tier apocalypse shit.
>>747255937>nah bro the egyptians really cared about their slaves, they fed them well lol
>>747256017They werent slaves and yeah their workers were pretty well off.
>>747255683>>747255328um
>>747255683>The wall formation was inspected by an archaeologist and a geologist; neither saw evidence of a human origin. In a preliminary investigation, archaeologist Neville Ritchie of the New Zealand Department of Conservation observed "matching micro-irregularities along the joints." This indicated that the blocks in the wall were too perfectly matched. He also observed the joints were neither straight nor truly horizontal nor perpendicular, indicating the joint alignments were too poorly constructed. Ritchie concluded the blocks are a natural formation based on the presence of matching micro-irregularities in blocks and imperfect joint alignment.[10]
>>747255721It's not a real depiction of battle
>>747255873They weren't malnourished, and they weren't slaves.
>>747256103Heh.
>>747251986Dude nipples are sexy as fuck, though. Especially when they're big.
>>747256085>>747256162oh right, the science changed, and now it was farmers lol
>>747256103>history? but what about our gibs???you really can't hate brownoids enough
>>747256162would impregnate her with my yakubian seed
>>747256290No they were just workers. Simple as.And its not like Egypt was ever strapped for food, "breadbasket of Rome" ever heard about that?
>>747256290Nigger, there wasn't shit for workers to do in the off season, so a shit load of people voluntarily went and built the pyramids and were paid handsomely (mostly in the form of grain)
>>747254860>t. scripted to claim "you watch thing" rather than address any of the pointsyou expose your lack of knowledge, bot-kun
>>747255947Makes you wonder why we haven't developed and taught a language purely for internal thought. We use the same languages to communicate between people as we do to do cognitive shit in our minds, one of them has got to be less optimal.
>>747242454Trvke These threads are gay af
>>747256162I deeply require more historically stylized art like this.
>>747256628Some autist has been working on one for almost 50 years nowhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ithkuil
>>747254934In the early 2020s they did a massive psyop on the entire world and many people no longer put their faith in authority. In other words, it's (You)r fault, masked up vax schizo.
>>747256693Like this?
>>747256626What points? You made no points, you just repeated some shit you saw in Ancient Apocalypse, shit that isnt even knew because i read that stuff 30 years ago in various schizo papers i used to watch as a teenager.
>>747256103>official geologist
>>747256740There were bodies piling in the streets. Rotting in the summer heat. Hospital ICUs filled with patients for weeks clogging the system.
>>747256826>knewnew*
>>747256398same desu>>747256693Alright, alright.
>>747252271>several sorceresses made fun of Huemac for his inability to get women who were fat enough>Huemac then had sex with the sorceressesHuh...
>>747257318>>747256162More. Or source.
>>747221368This got released recently. No idea if it's good or not
>>747257395The name of the artist is on the bottom right of each image you blind nitwit.
>>747256826My point is that certain discoveries challenge the official narrative and academia is too arrogant to address it in a satisfactory way, often resorting to dismissal of the points out of hand. You know, kind of like that youre doing by saying everyone must have gotten the information from joe rogan or that netflix show you keep naming. They could say "shit, idk man" and be honest, but like most experts they are indoctrinated by their peers and terrified to consider new or "fringe" ideas and lose the status they were granted by their masters.
>>747254784>obvious member of 10000 year old secret society that has spent millenia quietly holding back the floodgates of incomprehensible horrors the ancient egyptian god-kings had sealed beneath the earth>recieves zero credit for saving the world time and time againthank you dr hawass
>>747257485What happened to all the campaign focused RTSbros? They should be all over that
>>747257395The name of the artist is literally in the image, man.
>>747256918That's the narrative you internalized, yes.
>>747256714Ooh, neat. I don't know that I like the implementation, though. It seems like it's focused on compression. I wonder if it might be better to simplify grammatical structures so that it's easier to build connections between discreet concepts and faster to run through a "notional tree". Maybe deverbalization of certain concepts, just a strong mental impression. Maybe you just build great swathes of association and then color them with grammatical or objective sentiments.
>>747257712>What happened to all the campaign focused RTSbros? Those guys don't actually care about RTS, their main hobby is whining about people having badwrong fun when they click the multiplayer button and use hotkeys too quickly
>>747257712They were busy complaining about gookclick on /v/eddit
>>747221368I just want Linear A to be decoded in my lifetime...
>>747258157I recently learned that the extant corpus is small enough to fit on a single sheet of A4 paper. It's probably not gonna happen unless a huge discovery is made.
>>747235272Also actual history academic journals are long, complicated and very very dry. Its pretty much meant only for academics who are obsessed with some specific niche. Whta i mean is no one in this board is reading those things to look for consensus.
>>747257636>dude le academia is so bad they want to cover up le totally true discoveriesHow do you unironically fall for this kind of bullshit grift narrative?
>>747257636People dismiss those claims off-hand because it’s impossible for most to safely surmise the headspace those people are in. We have anonymous in this very thread who is claiming the Pyramids were impossible to build because chronically malnourished slaves dragged multi-ton blocks by rope and muscle to the build site. How do you unravel that in a satisfactory way? It’s like explaining sunlight to someone who thinks you can consume sunlight by staring at the sun, since plants do it so we should too.
>>747257712>go into RTS thread after playing SW Galactic Battlegrounds>get told its not a real RTS>mention Warcraft or Starcraft>those don't count cause Blizzard>mention AOE2 and how I play>its not "optimal or good enough" for the .0002% of anons on /v/ People say FG fans are autistic mongrels but its really RTS elitists.
>STRG + f>Apotheon>Ausdruck nicht gefundenUhhhhhh
>>747258501RTS "fans" are the plague to the genre.Never listen to them about anything.
>>747254216>>747254247>muh-muh averagesYes I know that you fucking morons, 40 is above the life expectancy in the Bronze age when ignoring infant and child mortality. Including it would make it 26.You assumed I was too stupid to actually look up the statistics and jumped at the chance to sound intelligent, but ended up making yourselves look like retards by not even checking if I was correct.
>>747257712They are waiting for Dustfront
>>747257636You can never trust those free thinkers types, though. They've never once addressed any suspicions people have about their extraterrestrial origins. These guys just come out of nowhere and dripfeed us this radically different scientific and historical knowledge. Their silence is suspicious enough to lend considerable credence to the lizard people hypothesis.
>>747258720>get to die at 26GIWTWMt. 37
>>747258871Same, I've been hoping to die in my sleep every single day since shortly after my 30th birthday.
>>747258720>26imagine going bald, wrinkly and senile when you're still just a basic ass zoomzoomfucking crazy how much human lifespans have evolved
>>747258321>griftAh yes the next buzzword, I should make a bingo card for these arguments. Explain how academia is not a grift but some guy promoting ideas you dont like is.>>747258442I will make a more clear claim than anon did: how do you explain the commonly held belief that advanced civilization only started 4ish thousand years ago when discoveries of man-made structures that are much older like gobekle tepe and the like seem to indicate civilization in some form is much older than previously considered? And secondly, why do supposed experts get so angry when asked?
>>747245136actually it's the super detailed and unnatural shading of objects against a flatter background that outs it first.
>>747258501No wonder the genre is dead.
>>747255721The Spanish are like that desu.
>>747258758I dont get all my ideas from the same people, so I have heard some make a connection between bronze age collapse and lizard people. I take in all ideas and filter them to my satisfaction with spiritual discernment (gut instinct) so I have a very eclectic collection of ideas that I dont necessarily believe all of, but its fun to speculate.
>>747221368King of Dragon PassSix AgesSix Ages 2
I love big tits so much it's insane.
>>747221368I got so wrapped up arguing with the /v/ernin that I forgot to suggest a game, I've been crushing this recently. Won as babylon, won as hattusa, now in a comfy ramesses campaign. Sherden raiders, my beloved.
>>747254087Sorry. Chaosium is too retarded to have its own Baldur's Gate licensed to a proper company. Fuck, they don't even have a decent Cthulhu game, just some asset flipper walking sim. The best I can offer is Morrowind since TES is RQ's spiritual successor. If it makes you feel any better, Warhammer Fantasy, Glorantha's other spiritual successor also lacks a proper CRPG.
>>747254595Valley of the Kings was an 18th Dynasty thing whereas the pyramids were a 4th Dynasty thing. That's like complaining Germany has fallen because its chancellors aren't buried in Aachen cathedral.
>>747257636>muh academia>muh official narrativePeople like Hancock and Daniken simply dont have any evidence of their shit or even worse outright LIE about shitload of things, either on purpose or just from the lack of knowledge.Our understanding of these times is expanding as new discoveries are made, thats why no one claims anymore pyramids were built by slaves for example.
>>747259210>Ah yes the next buzzword,>buzzwordHancock and Daniken literally made careers and shitload of money of their lies, "grift" fits their MO perfectly.
>>747260231Most people simply fail to understand ( dont know?) that thing we call "Ancient Egypt" is a period of almost 3000 fucking years.
>>747260447I think people misunderstand the word "collapse" more than anything when it comes to history. That and the term "Ice Age." Like people think the world was Siberia for 500,000 years, not understanding were still in an Ice Age. They think when Rome collapsed everyone just reverted to being drooling, neolithic dumbasses and had a clean slate to start over from now. Even /v/ thinks this.
>>747260723The world would be a much better place if more people just read into history. Not even thoroughly, just a little bit of perspective.
>>747221368i was thinking the other day how cool it would be to have something like a Stonepunk gameimagine cavemen augmenting themselves like a Cyberpunk setting but with rocks and shit
>>747260723>>747260864Level of historical ignorance is way too high..Fucking mudflooders are the best example of that.
>>747260332>anyone who makes money off of a thing is a griftersee this is where I disagree, it seems to me like an easy way to dismiss all but the "official" voices who are also doing it for money. it feels very intelligence agency coded to label all narratives outside the norm as "grifts" desu
>>747254595>They stopped building them because of how prohibitively expensive they were.Also they were giant billboards that said "loot me" in hieroglyphics.
>>747261109Everyone who makes money out of lying, often easily proven and verifiable lies is a grifter yes.
>>747261168Only nobility, scribes and priests could read hieroglyphs. I doubt your average tomb raider was a noble.
>>747261303Are you retarded or just pretending?
>>747261017General ignorance is too high honestly. I never cared for it because trying to discuss things that are interesting whether past or present and finding out you're alone is mindnumbing.
>>747261475As someone who loves history - fuck man, i feel you.Seeing otherwise decent and inteligent people not even knowing the basic facts and dates is painful
>>747257390Don't worry, I'm sure he fattened them up first.
>>747260447Yes, Ancient Egypt isnjust pre-Roman Egypt, and there were cultures there even older than Scorpion and Narmer. Civilization is way older than writing. Most people still think of neolithic people as cavemen. As if there were some kind of H. erectus tribals who suddenly built the pyramids... And the pyramids are more impressive than Valley because they were much bigger even though they completely lack the fine artworks found in the later tombs. Hell, they still think Dark Ages were some kind of technological setback.>>747260723They've seen shitty movies like 2000s King Arthur where Sexons were some neolithic pagans and think all Germanics were savages whereas in reality Germanic realms were more like some ancap communities where Roman towns pay for protection racket rather than a total step back to the paleolithic.>>747260864I think most people can't comprehend history because history has been playing out incredibly fast over the last 100-ish years. Our grandparents were not so different from early modern peasants and in their lives they got electricity, cars, radio, TV, washing machines, the internet, smart phones, AI. My grandma was born without electricity or water and lived long enough to talk to ChatGPT. For most people, history is some kind of abstraction, mythology. You have 90s, 80s, 50s, WW2, WW1, gay 90s/Victorian age... And then it all blends together.
>>747261686>>747261475>>747261017>doesn't recommend anything to learn like a book or something >just cries/v/ermin are /v/ermin even if they're not talking about vidya
>>747261017>>747261475>>747261686>>747260864>
>>747262250American post
>>747254991>a base-12 and base-60ftfy
>>747262228>i need fags on /v/ to go to library or to google "historical book about X"Bitch..>>747262250Reddit doesnt love history, where the fuck do you even get it from?>>747262183>Yes, Ancient Egypt isnjust pre-Roman Egypt, and there were cultures there even older than Scorpion and Narmer.It always cracks me up when some reddit retard pretends like Cleopatra built pyramids.
>>747262228
>>747262438>wah wah wah people are so ignorant>okay give me something>wah wah wah people are so entitled
>>747262580 (me)would also personally recommend 1177 BC by Eric Cline. lots of background on how the people of the bronze age lived and how these civilizations interacted with one another.
>>747262321>>747262438>
>shartypedos hate history toois there anything you faggots like?
>>747248728I knew albanians love to retcon, but didn't realize they were turk-tier retconners
>>747233162They didn't, they're still big whores wherever you go.
>>747262438>Cleopatra built pyramidsDude, you're lucky if she isn't portrayed as sub-Saharan instead of Macedonian. At least now there's a viral meme saying that "ANCIENT EGYPTIANS" from Cleo's era had archaeologists studying even older Ancient Egypt.>>747262580I'll put this here for those not ready to read just yet:https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLObJ0KGDh5_PPOUAqytPgmdEd0-IH-DeE
>>747254595>brief period1000 years is now brief, from djoser to ahmose
>>747221368Age of Empires 1
>>747253520You absolute mongoloid
>>747263721that too
>>747262839NO!!!
>>747264121Shut the fuck up, bitch.
>>747264121>
>>747259210I mean, I live close enough to Cahokia and went to their museum and there was some dumb shit asking if they were a civilization or not because of some old white person checklist did they write? etc. I'd consider those neolithic fellas civilizations but, like many cool American groups, it's hard to know a lot without really diving into the archaeology because no writing.
The creators of Colony Ship and Age of Decadence are making a bronze age Lovecraftian tactical game. I'm pretty excited. There's no steam page yet but they're posting dev updates on the Colony Ship steam page.
>>747259210Experts probably get angry for the same reason astronauts punch people who come up to them and “demand explanations” on how they could have gone to the moon if the earth was flat. If you want to challenge an expert opinion then you need to form an expert rebuttal, this means gathering research and following a process to confirm your suspicions. Pointing at an expert and trying to “zing” them with a fact they have no frame of reference for is confusing at best, but often comes across as adversarial.As for the explanation? I don’t know. The discovery of Gobleki Tepe is incredible from an anthropological perspective and could prove that civilization is older than initially believed. I do not, however, think that *form* of civilization is going to be fantastical. At best, it’s an impressive display of hunter-gatherer efficiency in resource-rich areas enabling them to “shepherd” the land and support large settled populations.
>>747263752Egypt is an obscenely ancient civilization so 1000 years is, I would say, “brief.”
>>747233476you would, it's called getting used to it. Just like you don't jizz your pants seeing a womans hair>>747233162because bras actually fill a purpose
>>747261193lying about what?>hey I found a thingyou arent trying to convince me, you are trying to dissuade other people from thinking the same way as you assume I do
>>747266601>If you want to challenge an expert opinion then you need to form an expert rebuttal>As for the explanation? I don’t know.
>>747250343>pretty good
>>747260723The Roman Empire’s collapse is interesting because it speaks to modern anxieties about the collapse of American hegemony. When did Romans know the Empire was done? Was it the Battle of Adrianople, where the migratory hordes shattered the Roman military? Or was it earlier with the Crisis of the Third Century, where the Empire as we dream of it (the Principate) became the Dominate?Was it when Goths formed kingdoms in Gaul? When an Emperor was puppeted by foreign warlords? When the capital moved to Ravenna? When did the average bloke in Magna Graecia realize the Empire was gone?
>>747266962>>747266962>lying about what?Everything. What the thing was, the state of our current knowledge, willfully misinterpreting what various art pieces portray etc.One example : Daniken famously lied about Elephantine - he claimed the name of the island means ancients had top have flight because name refers to "shape of the island" which is horseshit and name refers to rock formations on the island which really look like a fucking elephant.
>>747266974I’m a garden variety oldfag that doesn’t know shit. I can tell when someone is bullshitting me but that doesn’t mean I can explain why.
>>747267047>this is wrong and bad>please goyim dont look at the the art of people who actually were admitted>>747266974>>If you want to challenge an expert opinion then you need to form an expert rebuttalYes thats generally how it works.>>As for the explanation? I don’t know.Yes unlike Hancock, people can actually admit they dont know and not to spin some bullshit fairy tale.
>>747266268Fair enough. I'm more of the position that there's much to history that we dont know about because they didnt write anything down or leave us much to find, rather than an "aliens did it" type, but I try to be open enough to consider almost anything.I just get irritated by the gatekeeping, it's the same elitist and ignorant vibes that turned me away from pursuing archeology or history as a major in school. I understand I have a bias and my knowledge is only as deep as my curiosity goes, but people should still be allowed to speculate without screeching shills attacking.
>>747262704Giant chart of boring books no one will ever read vs the actual book you read by a modern writer who made the subject engaging. The rest of the knowledge gaps are filled in by memes and voila veritable 4chan subject matter expert.My only regret is that my true knowledge that isnt an inch deep and a mile wide is in fucking vidya instead of STEM or history. Epic dude, Doom was originally an aliens promo game. Still no bitches.
>>747243098oh so when anon posts western big tiddy painted on canvas, it's finebut I post big digital anime tiddy, I get 3 day banthis is oppression!
>is there any particular reason they greentext so much?
>>747255328>>747255683>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaimanawa_RangeEr what the fuck
>>747267047It clearly doesn't look bad if you needed to draw some retarded lines to demonstrate something I supposedly wouldn't have seen without them (and honestly don't see with them)
>>747267474>people can actually admit they dont know
>>747267323I dont subscribe to "ancients could fly/had alien assistance" ideas so daniken isnt really a guy I know of, but I believe you there. as with any movement I'd always expect a certain number of charlatans to jump aboard, but I dont think that discredits the "ancient civilization that's older than we expected" angle that seems to be what most people interested in this stuff believe.
>>747267547Yeah. I don't know where the comment chain initially started, but I've learned to never doubt the power of male autism. If it didn't change the course of the world by someone like Alexander conquering everything, then it was some nerd learning physics and basic machines and laying the groundwork for huge monuments.
>>747267972That was just an example, Hancock and most grifters like him did the same shit.And then you have retards like mudflooders being born.
>>747267972I would love to be shown evidence of ancient civilizations, could you imagine how cool it would be to explore the lore of a people that lived during the ice age? But those people would, at best, be subsistence farmers with an understanding of stonework and toolmaking. The ancients of ancients would look more like Sumer than Hyperborea.>>747267950Willingness to admit to ignorance is a show of maturity.
>>747267904Look at the ground floor at bottom floor windows. They are supposed to be on the same flat wall but the bottom left one is especially bad looking. Also one of them goes into the stairs.
>>747246516Germany already was a superpower, even if at internal upheaval. Hitler highjacked German progress towards his failson ends.>>747250343you will never have a chin
>>747268224that's essentially where I land too, but I think the passion to find something like that lost hyperborea is what leads to discoveries like troy or gobekli tepe. some authorities would have chalked that up to legend and mythology, or something only a grifter would believe, so I hate to see my fellow anons doing their work for free
>>747246009nerd
How many of you would throw it all away to live in the rain forest with an indigenous brown women? You would still have to fight to survive.
>>747233162christ cucks
>>747248792whose the artist? I love when they make historical characters into titcows
>>747269157>implying anyone here would survive the voyage to the new world
>>747270168you just sit on a boat
>>747246074Nah it was a degenerate era, people were too free about sexuality and nudity.
>>747232865>>747243098It's good that they're covered now.Having them constantly be exposed like that would make them less taboo and arousing.
>>747257395>>747257318>>747257609>>747257757>look the artist up>90% gay pornerm based?
>>747267815>Kaimanawa had a population of 312 in the 2023 New Zealand census, an increase of 132 people (73.3%) since the 2018 census, and an increase of 306 people (5100.0%) since the 2013 census. There were 303 males and 9 females in 9 dwellings.[9] 5.8% of people identified as LGBTIQ+. basically /v/
>>747243098>Pale>Ideal body shape>Dark jet black hair>Areolas with bumps >Huge milk filled breastsPerfect.
>>747270240You gotta pull your weight on a daily basis, deal with rats and disease on the ship.
>>747259136yeah but girls got tits when they were 4
>>747269157>You would still have to https://youtu.be/38fNAgkCwUM?t=48
When you realize the prominent bloodlines of the world have been descendants of Median Magi
>>747270168I'd still take the trip, better than paying taxes and waiting to die in the "modern" world.
>>747270505Period accurate.
>>747262580The primary texts are cool, but if you want to read academic history you shouldn't read anything that was published longer than five years ago. The field of ancient history is rapidly evolving and new archaeological finds, genetic studies and LiDAR scanning have led to a lot of new insights.
>>747267950You post this and expect someone in front of their computer screen throw up their hands and say "Ah fuck, he got me" or something? So strange
>>747271954You know, I was thinking that when I pulled the image out of my ancient infographics folder. I'll have to either find a new one or curate my own list of recommended reading. I'd post them on /his/ but that board is dogshit.
>>747271602that's a filter, sunnyrayxo has a sorry ass in her sextapestherefore these vids are better fap material
>>747272214I recommend "The Making of the Middle Sea" by Cyprian Broodbank. Absolutely wonderful book about the Mediterranean sea from its geological origins till the conquests of Alexander.
>>747257636Bro academic historians are turbo autists who work in niches and have extremely detailed knowledge of the cultures and eras they're studying. They have no "agenda" and they'd happily change their insights in a heartbeat if there is evidence that calls for it. Your paranoid worldview is pathological and someday you'll either have to drop it, or unironically seek medical help.
>>747272562Thanks, I'll check that one out
>>747252923Keyword?
>>747266493Fucking awful dev, hope they cancel it.
>>747243098Ah so that's why I'm obsessed with clussy. My Minoan ancestors are speaking to me.
>>747241881>Modern academia sure is funny.Modern academia is about pointing out that the "collapse" is heavily exaggerated and it points a finger at the likely culprits that were called the Sea People.
>>747274252Modern academia doesn't dispute the "collapse". The fact that over the course of 100 years many places went up in flames in the eastern Mediterranean isn't a matter of dispute.The dispute lies with the sea peoples being a primary cause, rather than a result.
>>747274386Just go to sleep. Gamers think in If x then y happens.
>>747258720god, you are so fucking cool..
>>747235272>>747232623>>747240079>>747240472>>747257636>>747256626>>747254784>>747254183A big source of this kind of ignorance is sensationalist reporting by journalists which always frame any kind of new archeological research as "re-writing history" or "leaving archeologists stunned", giving the impression that everything we know about the ancient world is constantly being overturned and researchers don't know what they're doing and are always proven wrongBut if you actually read the actual peer reviewed papers published in academic journals, instead of the tabloids indirectly reporting on it, you'll see the actual claims being made are way more reserved: What might get framed as "re-writing history as we know it" by journalists was really just the academic paper saying a structure was built in 100BC, not AD. And "new findings" about "an unknown lost civilization" will typically actually just be updated findings about a site that archeologists have been excavating and publishing research on for like 50+ yearsThis kind of dynamic doesn't just feed ancient aliens/graham hancock style grifting, but other kinds too: EX: a few years ago people were were claiming academic archeologists were all woke feminists because some outlets published articles saying prehistoric hunters were actually mostly women and that they were better at it then men. But the actual research paper only ever claimed that SOME women in this specific region also successfully participated in hunting, not that most of the hunters were women or that they were "better" then menThis is also where a lot of climate change denialism comes from: journalists made fearmongering articles about the worst-case-seneciot projections from different papers, where the actual scientists said that projection was the least likely one, and now boomers say climate change is a hoax because they read in the Daily Mail once that florida was supposed to be underwater by 2005
>>747275917You are right, but it's not solely the fault of trashy publications. People choose to believe bullshit and deny scientific findings because it suits them. A lot of people have no intellectual honesty, and shouldn't be let off the hook so easy.
>>747276836The double-edged sword is that internet access has made finding proper information easier than ever, but people also get duped by random fuckers on websites, the same politicians, fearmongering, misinformation and so on. Nothing changes.
>>747269157>lip filler>fake titsnah
>>747221368Serious Sam
>>747266874>Just like you don't jizz your pants seeing a womans hair>implying
>>747275917I have thought about this before especially in reference to headlines saying stuff like "scientists say X"And I think the bad influence of this yellow journalist nonsense would be cut in half if headlines had to start with "SOME SCIENTISTS SAY" or "SOME HISTORIANS SAY" instead of "SCIENTISTS SAY" etcPresenting shit honestly as the opinion or theory of a smaller group instead of being some big new consensus would be so much more honest. Of course you and I know whenever we see those headlines to insert that word "some" in there, but a lot of people don't seem to.
>Your ancestors, the ancient Greeks, were GAY!!!>Brown people somehow built the pyramids!!! They definitely weren't WHITE!!!>Hitler genocided white Eastern Europeans!!! It's not Soviet propaganda!!!>COVID was deadly!!! It wasn't the VAX that killed these people!!! >Trust the """science""" chud!!!
>>747221368Dominions Pharaoh King of Dragon Pass
>>747255523Not really, It actually took the Spaniards like 50 years to conquer most of the other Mesoamerican States and the last few managed to stick around all the way to the 1690s, the Inca Empire likewise managed to hang around as a rump state until 1572
>>747277497>internet access has made finding proper information easierIt really hasn't. You have to be very dedicated to sif through mountains of popsci bullshit to find informative articles and information. Some things are genuinely impossible to find for non academics. AI helps with this though since it trains on the actual research papers.
>>747281676ResearchGate, Zlibrary, blogs by autists, youtubers (good ones)...
>>747254784I hate this cunt so much
>>747221368AoE1Not DE, the original Rise of Rome. AoE1 DE is scuffed. AoE2 DE version is even worse, just unplayable at times and missing campaigns.
>>747257390>>747252271first ever recorded instant_loss mating_press
>>747234406Not really.Santorini (I think?) happened at the same time. It's kinda obvious what caused issues globally because it almost happened again in the Middle Ages with volcanoes. Climate issues, though around the mediterranean likely issues with earthquakes, ash, tsunamis and eventually starving sea peoples (because of these things). We've also seen with Vikings how raiders could escalate out of control and take over states.Egypt might have been one of the few civs to avoid collapse somehow, mainly by Ramesses II's (III's?) efforts. Funnily, that might time with Exodus though some Israeli archaeologists think that's a stretch and that happened later. It could explain why they moved to Egypt though, fleeing sea peoples and disasters.But it also declined a bit after that.Troy also had clear indications of being burnt to the ground around then. Some people said Trojan War, but it could be actually something else entirely - invaders sacking the place.The reason why Tambora (despite it affecting the climate and making a year without a summer) and Krakatoa didn't do as much is because we had globalised the system already and could cope with the change in climate with tech. It simply didn't impact crops and whatnot (well it did, but not as much) because the global trade worked around it and tools had improved.
>>747255679>Spanish had help from over 100,000 other natives https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLDfrZuh5XI
>>747233162cold nips
>>747221445The Bronze Age has fallen.
>>747236947One theory is apparently plague became an issue around then. It nearly happened again with Byzantium and then later it caused the Black Death in the middle ages. Although someone theorised that a different disease caused the collapse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hittite_plagueThis was spread intentionally for war. So it's arguable that biological warfare becoming a thing caused it maybe.In the middle ages they later treb'd carcasses and literal shit over walls to do this. So they were aware enough of disease to know that these things spread it even without understanding what a pathogen was. I guess to them it would have been different, but still something to do with things like carcasses, clothes, rot, shit.
>>747236948The complete opposite. Those books tend to be ignored and primary evidence is paramount. Things like clay tablets, equipment, rubble, sigils on monuments, geological disasters, genetic information etc.
>>747241881You only have to look at Rome's downfall to understand how it happens. Then vikings. Often though, it was internal strife that causes it the most. The marauders just take advantage.
>>747255873The pyramids weren't built by slaves, that's a common misconception that assumes just because slavery existed around that period that they must have been the ones to build the pyramids.They were built by normal laborers and masons and paid in grain.
>>747275917As a scientist this annoys me greatly. I see reporting on something and it will be the 1/1000000 chance event that is reported because it sounds cool. We obviously need reporting so people know about the work we are doing, but it's very hard to see. My climate science friends all have to hedge everything they say and it still goes way out of context.
>>747246074>an era when debt slavery truly became an issueTruly glorious.
>>747283456I would much, much rather be under Spanish management than Aztec desu
>>747248125Religious reasons.Or superstition.>the tits need to be seen by Apollo to appease himor some shit like that.Cults still act like this today.>Islam>literally the inverse for religious reasons
>>747283659>every civilization throughout time was brought law by uncivilized immigrants>humans never learn from this at any point
>>747254403>>747252509>compares modern casual sexualisation to religious superstition impacting fashion
>>747243098>nevermind those glorious minoan titties, damn theres just something about that pale skin, jet black wavy hair, and that make up
>>747275917No that shit comes from people making obvious bank from giving climate change speeches while flying in a lear jet from place to place to do them.That's why climate denialism exists.
>>747256162>protip: even the pharoah was a slaveThat was the gist of their cult.Archaemenids and Greeks did the same.In the middle ages, chains were in all forms of christian/islamic symbolism too.>like marriage
>>747267815>>747255328>Peter Wood, a geologist of the Institute of Geological and Nuclear Sciences at Wairakei, inspected the blocks for an afternoon and concluded they are natural fractures in "jointed Rangitaiki ignimbrite, a 330,000 year old volcanic rock that is common in the Taupō Volcanic Zone."There's similar formations near me too and it's clear not for a logical human purpose. Chemistry just does this. Lattice structures.Basalt columns are an obvious one.Think snowflakes.
>>747284002>Baal vs Moloch
Can anyone make another Bronze Age thread once this one reaches 450+ posts
>>747254471Meds.Now.
>>747284410Politicians do that, not actual climate scientists. Academics typically make shit-all money.
>>747255523The Spanish are not white though, just like Italians.
>>747285638*South Italians
>>747255523>>747255679>>747283456That picture actually depicts the Spaniards fighting against the Maya Kingdom of Potonchan, not the Aztecs
>>747241806You literally did not say that. Your post is there. We can all see it. Also you’re wrong we have a ton of records they’re just inventories and diplomatic communique.
>>747255679The spaniards, and europeans in general for that matter, were able to gather native allies quite literally everywhere in the world they went during the age of exploration, the conquest of the Aztec Empire was not special in that regard. As it turns out most humans actually do tend to side with complete strangers over familiar traditional enemies.
>>747285638>>747285738
>>747243098AWOOOOGA
>>747283967>As a scientistDoctorate with honors in gay retardation, retard?
>>747286645You recognize him from class, then?
>>747243098booba
>>747249575>>747250750>>747252863This game kicks ass
>>747270461Boob inflation
>>747255328>still not allowed to dig up the Kaimanawa Wall because it might threaten the poor maoris from their claims to the stolen landWon't be long until the navigator stones up on the east coast get ground down for their crimes against the cause desu. No one cried for the Morioris and the Waitaha people either when they got genocided a few centuries back.
>>747267815Every time
>>747257636>lifetime nepoids don't like outside competition threatening their continued existenceLike Mycenaean pottery
>>747285531>Academics typically make shit-all money.In fact, when they don't fit the narrative, they get legally harassed.A lot of the people that started promoting climate change were these sorts, they often get pushed out of the picture completely now and often they will say something that spreads doubt about a political policy to prevent climate change that is either unheard or criticised.That's why shit like "Green Ammonium" now exists.That shit might kill reefs.>sunscreen tooThis bothers me, I kinda need that shit.
>>747285738>former two sicily regions>the north were things like Venice, Florence, GenoaEvery time.Learn your history.
>>747262704His video presentations on the subject are alright if you haven't got the patience required to read a book.
>>747221368exposed minoan titties
>>747246497>biblical literalistDont forget to leave some milk and cookies for santa bro
>"Introductory" book on ancient X country history>800 pagesMany such cases
>>747285030Not even comparable. The people who think Spanish rule was as bad or even on the same scale as Aztec rule are illiterate.
>>747285030But enough about the two party system
>>747283967I forget what the name for it is but there's a phenomenon where people will read a news article about whatever field they're experts in and think the writer is a complete retard who doesn't understand the subject at all, but go back to assuming that every other article is 100% correct expert information.
>>747288002No thanks bro, I read about Spanish gold mines in South America
>>747235272Right of course, only modern liberal educated brown women of color know what really happened.
>>747247879It's lead paint.
>>747255861I'm told his damage to troy with dynamite is wildly exaggerated.
>>747221368There are a lot. And I mean a lot. Six Ages 1 & 2Seven Grand StepsThat whole little city builder franchiseTroy & Pharaoh
>>747246497>God: hey lets not build that tower>humanity: nah bro want to build it to reach you so we can worship you better >god: no im serious dont build that >humanity: nah fuck you bro we are building it Was is wrong with humanity? are we stupid?
>>747287848Santa is real too, just in case your nonsense atheistic mind was wondering why you kept posting coal.
>>747289373Hegemony 1-3 as well
>>747221368Do those slave girls also help you wipe after taking a shit?
>>747289607Man's arrogance is a tale as old as time, quite literally.
>>747289607Nimrod was a hero who tried to save his people from genocidal cunt Yahweh, should he try to flood the world again.
>>747253520I heard something similar happened in the 1920s. Surviving records talk about huge natural disasters, about 100% of Europe died, and it’s all a mystery.
>>747270281Shalom, golem!
>>747268252Maybe he should have went to art school to get better
>>747253215It’s a love letter by a Glorantha fan to God War, pre-Dawn Saird. It also serves as a good source for vingkotlings/Hyalorings early cultural exchanges, the cult of Elmal (and the little suns), and the origins of the Berenthili which was one of the known surviving Orlanthi tribes at the Dawn.The end of the world/Lightbtingers quest as Grandfather Mortal at the end of SA2, with cameos from AS and Second Son, was kino.Despite the tone of the game, I loved the vignettes from SA2 with Wakboth casually strolling by the countryside, leaving death and destruction in its wake. Yeah, found them a bit funny. Guy is just a big dumb clumsy chaos god.
New thread doko?
>>747289607>Was is wrong with humanity? are we stupid?The biggest error of Enlightenment was to subscribe to the idea that man is naturally rational.
>>747290510he tried but was rejected in favor of this guy
>>747292628You know I like Hitler but this is giving me some neat Aeon Flux vibes.
>>747254510Reminder they are literally reburing this place, paving over part of it, and planting a bunch of trees over the rest lmao
>>747293012Why are Turks mentally ill?
>>747221445Kek
>>747221487we are dark woke now
>>747221368You're burned https://divinity.fandom.com/wiki/Fane
>>747293041Imagine thinking the Turks do ANYTHING with that place without permission and bribes
>>747293061As oppose to Dark Enlightenment?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2zpcwAAf4g
If you really want to swag out put it on shuffle, or cha cha slidehttps://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNPGM2D7aODddI-R2IfE7qMdeKfyO4jUh&si=9cU0BVSZ3QPPt9dn
Or take it way back to the neutral milk hotel
>>747274252>the collapse wasn't that bad CHUDEgypt was basically the only civilization to survive in any meaningful way, the proto-Greeks literally lost writing, and they were one of the better of groups
>>747293769I won't be surprised if the living conditions for the average person got better after the collapse tho
>>747243098Those tits are glorious.
>>747232865>tfw can't post 60% of my bronze age folder without getting jannied, too many nipplesPlease make a thread on /aco/ or post a mega linksI love bronze women
>>747293012>>747293041>>747293285Dudes, just trust the experts and go to sleep.
Why is this thread still alive?
>>747294395Because a GTA thread died for it
>>747243098>>747257318EEEE~!? CHIKUBI GA MIRARERU! KOUKOKU NUSHI-SAMA, KI WO TSUKETE!!!
>>747254510>means literal cavemen throwing spears at mammothsThe funny thing is, that is literally YOUR biasModern Academics quite simply do not believe that everybody was a caveman hunter-gatherer who spontaneously started stacking blocks the second 6000 BC rolled around, they believe that the development of civilization, sedentary living and urbanism were all gradual processes, as such Gobekli Tepe they don't see Gobekli Tepe as some anomaly that must have some extraordinary explanation behind it YOU are the one clinging to a dogma from 100 years ago, not them, the difference is that they moved on from it without feeling the need to believe in ridiculous shit pushed by some geezer whose brain got melted by ayahuasca and weed lmao
Reminder, most of what we know about the Minoans is outright fucking guesswork and what you think is Minoan architecture and Aesthetics was actually made up by that faggot Arthur Evans
>>747294845TRUST THE FUCKING EXPERTS!ARE YOU AN EXPERT, DIDN'T FREAKING THINK SO.
>>747254471Any conspiracy theory that revolves pyramids "around the world" instantly becomes retard-tier when you learn that the bulk of all pyramids in the Americas were all built thousands of years after the egyptians stopped building theirs. They were literally contemporaneous with Ptolemaic, Roman, and arabic Egypt, not Ancient. And that's not even getting into the pretty massive differences in construction method and societal roleThe most ridiculous theories of them all are the ones that try to assign some significance to the geographical location of certain monuments, like the ley lines shit and such. Those people do realize they're just linking a bunch of famous tourist destinations together right? There are literally hundreds of lesser known pyramids like those all over the place, plus just about every single human settlement in central and southern Mexico was built over a pre-columbian city that used to contain pyramids. How come those don't make it to your maps?
>>747232865I'm going to try to post my bronze age shit but some of it is a bit too tumblr-ish
>>747255523Damn, >>747285849 beat me to correcting this. Nice work anon.I will also add that while Bigredhair's comic is generally pretty accurate and I recommend it, the Maya are depicted in a sort of questionable way here. My friends who are more into Spanish arms and armor also say their equipment is also off by a few decades. Also i'm not sure what the implication is supposed to be here with posting the comic page in response to someone talking about the Bronze Age Collapse?>>747255679>>747283456>>747285030>>747288034>>747288196The idea that Cortes got allies against the Aztec due to thm being widely and especially hated is a misconception (and at this point, I'd say it's a more common misconception then the idea the Conquistadors won alone) The Mexica of the Aztec capital of Tenochtitlan were militaristic conquerors, yes, but they weren't particularly brutal in warfare (sacks, massacres, and mass-enslavement of targets weren't unheard of, but also weren't especially common, even cities which repeatedly rebelled were often simply re-conquered, not razed)More importantly, contrary to what >>747284002 and >>747288002 imply, and as pic related explains, once in charge, their rule was typically hands off, leaving existing kings, laws and customs in place to self-manage, provided they paid taxes of economic goods (not usually of slaves or sacrificial victims), labor or military service, didn't block roads, put up a shrine to Huitzilopotchli, and other basic obligations. That's not to say they were always that loose, sometimes they did raze cities, such as if one incited others to stop paying taxes, or replaced unruly kings, or gradually increased their influence over local affairs and replaced officials in subject states within the core of the empire... but generally speaking, they were hands off1/?
>>747296010>i'm not sure what the implication is supposed to be here with posting the comic page in response to someone talking about the Bronze Age Collapse?He's implying that pre-columbian societies are an example of a bunch of civilizations immediately collapsing at the same time due to one big disaster (in this case disease), something the guy he was replying to implied was questionable.
>>747221368i can't see any games. i'll open this thread.
>>747295028Fuck the experts
>>747256428why would they eat that disgusting goyslop instead of meat?
>>747272820>academic historians are turbo autistsI had the pleasure of being lectured about late neolithic and chalcolithic societies by an archaeologist specialized in those fields. Went on for hours. The layman might assume those periods largely lost to history and unknowable, but it's fucking crazy how much the researchers actually know about them.The presence of tools, pottery and sherds, the shapes and decorations present in them, the types and colours of clay used, the shapes of their houses' foundations, the presence and use of plaster on their walls and in their cookware, the heights of and levels in the tells they built their villages on, burial goods, remains of organic foodstuffs etc. So many fragmentary pieces of information that not only date and place the societies, but also tell us a staggering lot about their lifestyles even down to their daily routines. The only thing they can't figure out is their languages.
Someone make a new thread b4 bump limit
>>747247339phoenicians really were like a real life spacing guild, nobody had the complete picture except for them, and they didn't say shit to anyone about anything
>>747295354Its probably not as tumblr as you think, unless it has some Steven Universe smile or pride colors. >>747294395>looks at 99% of the catalog which is just nintendo shilling remake bullshit, twitter spam, porn spam, gacha, furfaggotryThats why. Only good thread here.
>>747297484Remember how easy it was to learn your ABC's?
>Bronze age
>>747221368>missed the thread i wanted to make for monthsFuckAnyway, my wet dream is a proper game (maybe a m&b clone) with the setting and the lore of Dominions (more EA)Dominions is fine but i can entertain myself by moving jpegs around only for so long
>>747297802Make another one bro
>>747296010>>747255679>>747283456>>747285030>>747288034>>747288196>>747284002>>747288002 ContThis loose political system (common in Mesoamerica: no draft animals + difficult terrain made distant administration iffy) left subject and vassal states with their own identity, agency, and interests, so they had both the ability + incentive to opportunistically secede, defect etc, especially when their capital was in a weak position: you'd often see a state ally with or pledging themselves to a second state (since even as a subject they'd mostly self-manage), then both worked together to take out their capital(s) or rivals, then state 1, for helping prop it up, would get high status within state 2's new kingdom/empireThat's why Cortes got alliesThe Mexica themselves rose to power by overthrowing their capital in a similar way; and even after the fall of Tenochtitlan, Mesoamerican states continued to ally with Conquistadors (and, ironically, with Mexica armies now serving Spain, see pic for example) against their rivals, as, again, this was a common tactic in (and as >>747286356 says, even outside) Mesoamerica. Also most states who allied with Cortes only did so after Moctezuma II's death and smallpox ravaged Tenochtitlan and weakened it, so those states (some of which normally benefitted from the taxes & influence Mexica conquests brought) just had less to lose & more to gain by switching sides, as those benefits were already jeopardized and Tenochtitlan may not stay in power long even if it won. Finally, only a few dozen of the ~500 states within the empire even defected, and some did so only after being beaten and forced to, or under other conditional arrangements etcFor more info see pastebin.com/h18M28BR & arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/640670498/#640679139 & desuarchive.org/his/thread/16781148/#16781964 & desuarchive.org/int/thread/220614413/#220624574 & desuarchive.org/k/thread/64935126/#64961571 & many posts in desuarchive.org/k/thread/64434397/#644697142/?
Populous series.
>>747297802Just make greek mythology (or Egypt) game recommendation threads and then derail it into a bronze age thread
>>747257609>>747257757The anon did say more or source, so post moar pls.
Rome 2 Total War
Bro wants bronze age games when we cant even really get iron age games that arent strategyslop or the rare romeslop
>>747297939>EgyptGood way to get the anime coomers in to derail it further with their antics.
>>747271954To be fair it is a beginners guide
>>747221368Does Tyranny count?It's setting takes place during it's own bronze age.
Nebuchadnezzar
>>747297989For me its EBII
The Fertile Crescent 2 - Collapse of The Bronze Age
>>747221368Carnal Insticttoo bad it ended up being garbage
The Banner Saga
>>747298518Thats not bronze age. Its early middle ages
>>747298508>Patreonwhoring simulatorIt was over before it even began
Age of Barbarians Chronicles
>>747298610Tbh I should have expected much. Porn games are fucking sporks. They try to be two things and always end up being shit at both.
>>>/v/thread/747298867
SAVAGEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r68mroI-_fM
>>747298557Anons itt dont know the difference between bronze age, antiquity and early medieval anyway
>>747298908As a matter of fact I do. I just wish people knew the difference between paleolithic and neolithic.
>>747283335Good thing we've conquered the climate and that can never happen to us again
>>747233162Abrahamic religion
>>747299026>>747234382>>747248792You don't get it.
>>747221368it could have been so kino
>>747297989>>747298274Thats iron age
>>747299026sorry your parents made you go to sunday school as a kid. must be pretty rough.
>>747297872Cont:>>747284002>>747288002I already explained why being under Aztec rule really wasn't actually that bad in my prior posts, but to comment on Spanish rule: it heavily depended on both where you were at and the time period. Some places mostly got left alone as they tended to be under Aztec rule. Other places got basically raped and pillaged and enslaved (see the image in >>747297872). Some places were somewhere in between. Over time, more laws were passed that were intended to address colonial abuses, and those helped in some cases, but as time went on the Spanish also became increasingly hands on with administrative oversight, and cut out existing kings and nobles (who in some places they previously kept in power) in favor of direct colonial administrative officials (though that was also campaigned for by indigenous Mesoamerican commoners in some cases), you had the casta system implemented (though I know some elements of it are subject to debate, IIRC?), etcM.E. Smith did some research comparing how much various villages, towns, and cities seemed to change or collapsed when they were first taken over by the Aztec vs the Spanish, and his work generally found Spanish rule was more disruptive, but I'm not really sure how he would have accounted for the role diseases would have playedOn the flip side, Spain invested more in local education and infrastructure then the Mexica did: The Mexica almost never did that sort of thing, whereas the Spanish at least occasionally did. Overall I get the impression that Spanish rule wasn't as bad as many people make it out to be, but it also wasn't as benevolent as a lot of people pushing against the Black Legend try to insist it really was. But my area is more actual Prehispanic Mesoamerica then the Spanish Empire, so it's not really my area and I can't comment on it in too much depth without consulting sources.>>747295354You got a twitter account or something?3/?
Populous 2
>>747299762Cont:>>747298886I don't know what you were trying to link to here, but whatever it is, it didn't work>>747297157Yes, this is another reason to add onto what >>747275917 says for why pseudoarcheology is dumb: We know way more about prehistoric and ancient socities then people realize (and even the areas we know less about like the Precolumbian Americas, we still know WAY more about then people think we do, see pic for example: If people were taught all this in school, I garuntee you there'd be less /x/ theories about Mesoamerican and Andean civilizations because people would realize they're not "mysterious" and we know how the region's civilizations arose and evolved over time already for the most part) and how they rose and fell and developed into each other over time. With a few exceptions there's simply too much evidence and too much existing information for our understanding of the topic to be significantly wrong. As that post says, usually at most new findings can change the dating of a structure by a few centuries, or suggest X reason was why a civilization fell instead of Y, etc, not shit like "Actually there was a sea-faring mega civilization back in the ice age"Obviously sometimes truly history re-writing finds do happen, but as time goes on and we excavate more things, the less and less of a chance for something like that to be discovered again goes down as we fill in the gaps of our knowledge more, and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidenceIf >>747257636 and >>747259210 is still in the thread, I implore that anon to read what I and >>747275917 posted, and to try to dig into actual academic publications yourself more. 4/?
>>747300340Cont:>>747259210>>747266601Archeologists have studied and know about sites like Gobleki Tepe, Çatalhöyük and Cucuteni-Trypillia sites, the thing is is that they don't really actually qualify as cities. Gobleki Tepe, as far as I know, doesn't actually show signs of having permanent residences for a sizable population, and while many Cucuteni-Trypillia sites do, even these don't really show signs of being truily "urban": they're more like overgrown hamlets/villages then cities that have the density, class specialization, signs of centralized bureaucratic rule etc that we (typically) associate with and use as a barometer for something being a "civilization"They're certainly interesting and do change our understanding of things some, but it's a big leap to go from "there were monumental temples and some village-like settlements that grew to sizes and population totals we only later see in cities of urban civilizations, a few thousand years earlier then we previously thought" to "There were truly urban and organized civilizations thousands of years earlier then we previously thought" to "We had civilizations all the way back in the ice age" or "actually aliens helped the Egyptians" or "The pyramids tapped into magical energy sources" and "the Mesoamericans were actually Ancient Europeans/Africans/Asians who travelled to the Americas thousands of years before we thought", and so on>>747294845How speculative are most reconstructions of Knossos's architecture and murals then?5/5 for now, I think? The thread is probably gonna 404 shortly
real shame that this thread hits over 500 replies on /v/ of all places. this thread would've 404'd after 10 replies on /his/.
>>747300631his is about religious shitflinging, it hasn't been about history for years
>>747300631And 7 out of those 10 replies would have been from that shizo who claims Typhon is actually Yahweh
>>747300723it turned into haploautsim before the religious shit really started. &humanities was a fucking mistake
>>747300771>>747300723>>747300631Haploshit and religious shitflinging are indeed problems on /his/, but there's also plenty of actual historical and archeological discussion.
>>747300340>that picit would be nice to dig into mesoamerica history, but I feel I already have gaping chasms in the knowledge of my own region's historysometimes it's hard to understand how people can be bored
>>747297989You mean the first one
>>747300879>visit /his/>half of the threads are soijak "god's not real" threads or something about hitler>actual historical discussion never gets bumpedit's dead, anon.
>>747301052Stop shitpos-MEIN GOTT
>>747301142Yeah, just check the archives for when the board was new. It's totally fucked.
>>747254087Morrowind was, to an extend, influenced by Runequest, so it's the closest thing we have.But I would certainly like a proper RPG in Glorantha.
autosage?>>747248125grow up without a bra and the boobs stay fairly perky.
>>747301349nvm im retarded didnt see the post count LOL
>>747301052>>747301142>>747301176I use the board daily. It's really not that bad, I assure youBut my area of historical interest is niche, so it rarely gets more then 1-2 threads devoted to it at any given time anyways, so I might be insulated from the overall quality of the board declining over time as a result admittedly
>>747301882>But my area of historical interest is nicheapparently everyone's is, since history threads are almost never bumped anymore, unless it's something against christianity.
