Are these games really so bad that they caused Sony to lose faith in Kojima despite his next game being a more traditional stealth shooter? I've heard Death Stranding is based on The Postman so I've wanted to try it out for a bit now.
Yes
>>747370140>thinking Sony was concerned with the quality of death strandingThis is the same company that thought Concord was good
I liked it, but absolutely did not need a sequel. The main hook, delivering packages, isn't really that appealing to most people, but the gameplay mechanics themselves are well-done so I expect his stealth game will probably be more successful.
>>747370140they're the best videogames ive ever played
>>747370140Death Stranding is unironically one of the best video games of the CENTURY.It's only ADHD streamer-fags AND the literal Jewnami's salty paid shills trying to convince you otherwise.I'm seldom as HOOKED to a video game than when I was playing DS1 for the very first time. It's a living proof that Kojima always was a skilled visionaire, and that it was Konami's yakuza homos always holding him back.
Death Stranding 1 (original) is unironically an 8/10Death Stranding 2 is a 7.5/10. Despite having objectively better qualities, It's a creatively inferior project in terms of passion.
>>747370140they're fine, sony just wanted a big system seller out of kojima and were surprised when the faux-philosophical movie game guy who makes decent games that sell okay made a faux-philosophical movie game that was a decent game that sold okay. he wasn't worth the ROI
>>747370140I wasn't big on 1 but 2 is good. Also I think this says more about current year snoy than it does about DS. If it's not the next Fortnite exclusive to a snoy controlled walled garden these fucking faggots aren't interested.
>>747370658Delusional. You really think mgs1 and mgs2 didn't sell ps1 and ps2's respectively? Zone of the Enders literally got a sequel, a gba spin off and 2 animes because so many people bought the first one to play the mgs2 demo
>>747370140Sony's a literal Californian woke-fag corporation nowadays. They not only want "safe" and "quick" games to sell to mouth breathers, but they also want their titles to be 100% digital, so they can control everything you do on your consoles. Kojima already fought Konami 13 years ago because of a very similar reason. That resulted MGSV being split in two, as a "proof of concept", and ultimately the complete disbanding of Kojima Productions, cancellation of the PT / Silent Hills, MGSV:TPP getting released pre-maturely, and Kojima being put into a strict as fuck NDA + travel ban for a year.
>>747370140DS is legitimately the best game I've played in the past 7 years. If you like Skyrim or Euro Truck, you'll probably like DS.
>>747370764>If you like Skyrim or Euro Truck, you'll probably like DS.I like neither, but I loved DS. It feels more akin to STALKER or Resident Evil 1 than anything.
>>747370370You have to admit the absolute fucking audacity to hire 3 whores, in your own designs, shaking their ass
>>747370743Kojima is literally a wokefag today. He would never in a million year put something like quiet or the mgs4 bosses in his games ever again
I'm Sam!
>>747370862>Kojima is literally a wokefag today.LOL! LMAO even!
>>747370872I'M DOLLMAN
>>747370140No gacha and lootboxes and live service to 100x investment
>>747370742and that was over 20 years ago. kojima of that era had people holding him back and restraining his output (for good reason). current kojima stuff is more raw him and is therefore less accessible to the average gun and ball gamer
>>747370872>Kojima purposefully constrained himself by single-player mechanics so hard, that the very concept of a "Hello!" button still has to be entirely regulated to a single-player experienceYou cannot fucking convince me that Death Stranding wasn't conceived as some crazy psyilosybin MMO mountain climbing experience then distilled by AAA faggotry
>>747370920Yeah bro, exactly the same as quiet, B&B and Eva.Face it faggot, he sold out.
>>747370858and feet!!
Got the free vanilla version from EGS and enjoyed it a lot. Would probably buy the Director's Cut if I wasn't stuck with a PC from a decade ago
>>747371118Someone's gonna be sooo mad when he finds out!>>747371272The original version is superior to DC in every way.
>>747370574So if I'm a Kojima worshipper who thought MGS4 was great unironically I'll probably enjoy Death Stranding? I haven't played Peace Walker or MGSV either because it felt like the series already ended with 4 and portable ops. Or MG2, Snatcher and Policenauts for that matter.
>>747370574you are an adhd autist you worthless retarded turd
>>747370140>first game sells 20 milliion copies>second game only sells 2 millionWould you have funded more games?I mean, I would have since Physint is not a Death Stranding game, but a Metal Gear spiritual successor, but whatever, I'm not the genius people working at Sony who greenlit Concord, Wolverine, Horizon Hunters Gathering, Fairgames, and Rocket Arena.
>>747370624thisin the second part you are given tools too quickly, which is why something in the game breaks.I think it would be cooler if the game had no transport at all, with the exception of the monorail. Then courier service would feel cooler.
>>747371272director's cut drops the monster sponsorship, don't bother
>>747371321>The original version is superior to DC in every way.Youre gonna have to explain that cause i have no idea what the differences are.
>>747370742fuck I gotta play Zone of the Enders too. Is it like armored core or does it play more like its own thing?
>>747371321>HAHAHAH LE FEET AM I RIGHTI accept your concession
>>747371348>So if I'm a Kojima worshipper who thought MGS4 was great unironically I'll probably enjoy Death Stranding?Correct.Hell, I've seen shittons of nufags play DS before any of the MGS, and had a good time with it. It's a truly zen sort of game that enchants you sooner or later.>I haven't played Peace Walker or MGSV either because it felt like the series already ended with 4 and portable opsPeace Walker is kickass, and a massive upgrade from Portable Ops in every single way.It's also the one TRUE "MGS5" game. You absolutely should play it.MGSV:TPP sucks ass, but the Ground Zeroes prologue chapter makes a good finale to Peace Walker.>or MG2Another goldpiece you've ignored.That and probably MG:GB ?I've never touched Snatcher or Policenauts. One of these days.
>>747371118Quiet's outfit was ridiculous, even for being fanservice
>>747370140He's such a massive westaboo Konami had to tard wrangle him and keep him to copying movies for his games. Then they slipped up and let him blow the chunk of MGS5's budget to hang out with Keith Sutherland and sacked his ass.Sony wrote him a blank check and you saw what happened.
>>747370140Death Stranding is a game that's fun for like six hours.Maybe a good 12 if you have a bit of autism.Just like the older Grand Theft Auto games. You do the bare minimum to open up the map, then dick around for a couple hours making a fucked up journey over something, or maybe defiantly making a single bridge that consumes far more time than it saves. And then you're done. There's nothing else. In another time, this game would actually be great for two siblings or friends to pass back and forth and goof off collectively, but that's not the game as it exists now
>>747371348Idk, DS is like MGSV taken to extreme, open ended maps with infinitely many solutions (except for lame boss fights). Ground Zeroes and PW are inbetween those and MGS1~4 gameplay-wise. It's hard to say when you skipped them all.
>>747371612>Youre gonna have to explain that cause i have no idea what the differences areContrary to what the name would imply, Director's Cut was not made under Kojima's supervision. It does not polish any of the standard game's issues, but instead streamlines it to be as "normalfag friendly" from the get-go as possible. Example:Around mid-game, you can unlock exoskeletons of different sorts, that enhance your carry capacity, running speed, stability... et cetera. These are a monumental upgrade you felt earned.The DC version drops the very first low-end Exo at you during the TUTORIAL stage.Not only this, but the later version also added a "VERY Easy" mode, which is just ridiculous.Rest of the changes are practically just silly minigames, and they removed the iconic Monster Energy (tm) drinks.>tl;dr:DS:DC is the 2015 "Resident Evil Remake HD edition" to the 2002's "Resident Evil Remake" on the GC.
>>747372894is it possible to buy the original? or do you have to pirate?
>>747372129>Death Stranding is a game that's fun for like six hours.Spoken like a literal 9 year-old Gen-Alfa with a severe iPhone addiction.DS was fun as fuck from start to finish during my 150 HOURS. And no, I did not "Platinum" the game or anything.>>747373137PS4 versions still are still available, but I think on PC you may have to pirate. I hate when Nip publishers remove the OGs when an """enhanced edition""" drops ; SEGA recently did the same with Yakuza 0-3, but at least GOG.com still sells the OG versions.
>>747372894the road they added over the mountain to mountain knot was very significant change
>>747373319I believe you meant to South Knot?Sure, it's kinda big, but not ground breaking.The last 1/5th of the game is still clearly rushed. That and the watering down of the game's originally planned darker themes were the first signs of Kojima's and Sony's initial friendship cracking, with Snoys quickly confiscating their "empty check".
>>747372894>Director's Cut was not made under Kojima's supervision.What the fuck? Theres no way anyone would think this without looking shit up, and why would you without any reason in the first place?>and they removed the iconic Monster Energy (tm) drinks.Timefall beer is best anyways. Its a crime you didnt have it in 2 when the ship has boxes of them in its storage room.
>>747373319I guess that makes it possible for truckmaxxing but you don't need it if you're a zipline god.
>>747373504No... South Knot is... to the south wow! I mean the road from the distro center in the middle of the map to over the mountain range by the first prepper/robotocist area down to mountain knot instead of around by craftsman. It's a big deal.
Oh, also in the DC you can take a carrier with you on the zipline. In the OG you can't take shit with you.Don't fall for their bait and play the original OP, DC is good
>>747370140It's the second game that was the problem. Streamlined and casualized the fuck out of it until it had no edge. And a sequel to death stranding was redundant in the first place. It undersold and SIE didn't want to spend 300 million for another
>>747371965MGSV is the only actual game he's made and the only one worth playing.The rest are just shitty movies full of insufferable japanese humor.No wonder the MGS3 remake flopped
>>747373779DC is fine, but it is a downgrade from the OG.It's still serviceable if it's your ONLY choice.
>>747370140The gameplay is boring. Sony is sill retarded for losing physint because a MGS spiritual successor would play nothing like DS.
I enjoyed both games a lot, but 1 is definitely more novel than 2 is. 2 is just the same game with more tools at your disposal. The story is retarded nonsense in both games, but the story in 2 feels very stretched out and lazy. 1's was dumb but at least it felt like it was trying.>>747371413Not only are you given things quickly, but they're far more powerful. In DS1 the truck was basically useless the moment you tried to drive off of a road. in DS2 it can go (almost) anywhere without much issue, and then once you get the spike tires upgrade at the halfway point you can drive it anywhere without issue at all. In DS1 I built my own zipline network to get around the mountains, as I imagine most people did, because it was a pain in the ass to navigate by any other means. In DS2 it was completely unnecessary to do this, even though the mountains were more steep than they were in DS1, because you could just drive the truck everywhere
>>747374202Depends, if its a spiritual successor to MGS1-4 it would be extremely boring
>>747374125>MGSV is the only actual game he's made and the only one worth playing.MGSV is an unfinished piece of shit Ubislop.Every single Metal Gear title is a stellar VIDEO GAME, and fun as fuck.>no wonder the MGS3 remake floppedit was not a remake, but a fucking UE5 de-master. It's 90 bucks and weights 200GB, and it looks and plays like ass. No reason to touch that cancer, when you can play the superior OG version on a toaster from 2012.>>747374202You need to stop huffing your own farts and weed, kiddo.DS' gameplay is ADDICTIVE as hell. Super satisfying. The game also looks and sounds A-MA-ZING.
>>747374510>Every single Metal Gear title is a stellar VIDEO GAME, and fun as fuck.No they aren't, they are clunky movies full of cutscenes and out of place attempts at humor that shouldn't be in a military themed game.MGSV modded into a milsim is the only way to have fun with a Metal Gear game
>>747370140No. Not if you played them.They're good games.
>>747370140DS1 is greatDS2 they made it too easy so its a bit boring
>>747374725Filtered.Kinda embarrassing, not gonna lie.>MGSV modded into a milsim is the only way to have fun with a Metal Gear gameNot true. I've put hundreds of hours into each and every Metal Gear game released after 1998. MGSV:TPP, however, I don't want to even touch again. Even Ground Zeroes is a better game, and Peace Walker is the TRUE Metal Gear Solid 5.
>>747370764>If you like Skyrim or Euro Truck, you'll probably like DS.I understand about eurotruck but why is it similar to Skyrim?
>>747370140Both games are not bad at all, its just playing a FedEx delivery guy is not what most people want to play as. And then you have Kojima bullshit storytelling to it which you love or hate. I don't think many were left lukewarm on DS.
>>747370140>DS1sold 5 mil>DS2sold 2 milas much as people hate on sony currently I can see why they'd drop his ass considering the budget that went into these games.
>>7473701402 was an enormous flop
>>747377503>sony defense force
>>747370140DS2 still likely hasn't made its money back for sony. It cost upwards of 100million to make, and it only sold 2 million copies. Factor in kojima's cut, marketing, etc, and it's still a loss for sony. DS1 sold off metal gears popularity. DS2 sold off of death strandings popularity.
>>747370826>or Resident Evil 1lol wut
>>747377395>Both games are not bad at all, its just playing a FedEx delivery guy is not what most people want to play as.Probably the most accurate way to describe Death Stranding. It just doesn't appeal to your average player. Not even the MGS crowd.
>>747377503>sold 5 milIt crossed 20 million copies already two years ago, nigger.
>>747373504swedish flag.
>>747378304No, that's 20+ million PLAYERS. It was released on GamePass and for free on Epic.
>>747378259You heard me.You got "save rooms" where you save and prep for journeys. You check the map and plan routes. You prepare the best you can, scaling risks and rewards of various courses of action ... and improvise if needed on the field if SHTF.
>>747377503it's stupid to think an MGS spiritual successor wouldn't do better numbers than DS2. The reason people fell off of DS is that the gameplay is pretty dull. Physint would do better numbers than DS2 just from being marketed as an MGS successor.
>>747378373Nobody uses those. Majority of the sales came from STEAM, with the regular edition that dropped in 2020.During which the 10 mil sold units was crossed.But I know that you Snoyggers have been pushing this propaganda for 7 years now. Don't think that some of us would have forgotten your silly petition to stop Kojima from releasing the game on Xbox as well.
>>747378660>Nobody uses those.
>>747378482>The reason people fell off of DS is that the gameplay is pretty dull.Death Stranding's gameplay is anything but dull, you summer negro. It's engaging and super varied. It feels like a pure zen to play; super satisfying, extremely hooking.ADHD Call Of Fortnite homos obviously get filtered by anything that demands time and effort from them, and does not throw them constant digital Cheevos for merely starting the game.As crazy as it sounds, it would appear that DS was indeed the Piss4 generation zoombies' first exposure to a video game that was NOT trying to please the "wider audiences", but rather harkoned back to the Golden Age of video games: the PS2 Y2K days, when every game was catering to their own niche.
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>>747379375Get meds.
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>>747379484>end game item you need to build somehow negates 100+ hours of good gameWeird flex.
>>747379540>I worked really hard to skip the game
>>747379375>walking in a straight line requires the use of one thumb on an analog stickThis is 90 percent of gamesWhat point is this proving lmao
Death Stranding 2: On the Beach is not a video game. It's Kojima's $100 million excuse to hang out with Hollywood celebrities while you hold the left stick forward for 40 hours. Almost every location has a flat path straight to it. You can make any delivery by holding forward or driving a truck. Congratulations, you just experienced "gameplay." The game throws numerous tools at you that you absolutely never need. It's like being handed a Swiss Army knife to eat soup — the equivalent of playing Doom where enemies fall down without you ever pulling the trigger.But the crown jewel — the absolute proof Kojima doesn't make games — is the "Pretend You Won" button. Die to a boss and the game literally asks if you want to skip it. Pick it and you get a SLIDESHOW of how the fight would have played out. The results screen reads "Imaginary Victory" with a drawing of Sam sleeping. Even the protagonist doesn't care. No game should let you skip core combat. That's not accessibility — that's a confession. That's Kojima saying "gameplay doesn't matter, just watch my movie." The single greatest evidence he's NOT a game developer — just a film director accidentally given a dev kit instead of a camera.Did this cinematic walking screensaver win GOTY? NO. Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 — an actual VIDEO GAME with actual GAMEPLAY — bodied Kojima's celebrity meet-and-greet simulator at The Game Awards, Golden Joysticks, DICE, and GDC, racking up 291 GOTY wins in 2025.But don't worry — his own game taught us the solution. He can just Pretend He Won. Skip the awards, read a little slideshow that says "Kojima won GOTY" with a picture of him sleeping. Imaginary Victory. Kojima — put down the controller. Pick up the camera. Stick to making movies. You clearly want to. You were never one of us.
nobody bought ds1 on ps4 despite years of goldenface shitposting, its also why kojima took full control of the ip at the end of 2024 before 2 even came out as snoy knew nobody was going to buy 2 on ps5 either.
>>747379623The issue is other games give you fun activities along the way. In Death Stranding, walking in a straight line Is the "gameplay"
>>747377198the walking around and looking at scenery part.
La creatividad...
>>747379950He's so fucking smart
>>747379778Uh what?The gameplay is a buffed up version of mgsv in a paranormal setting with package deliveries and ghosts.
I felt like the story of 2 made 1 worse. I mean basically everything about Lou.For gameplay I more less agree with>>747370624>>747371413Yeah it was more convenient but it lost part of the charm.
>>747370140The only people who disliked them were normies that like absolute shit like Nu GoW and football games, or people who just wanted to shit on Sony
>>747380071Sure
>>747380190>sureYou know you can play the game a lot of ways right? You can play a lot of games like a total retard but everyone sees through what you’re trying to implyYou sound like one of the posters that is still hung up on this game since it came out like you’re a battered housewife that was abused by kojima personally
>>747380297Kojima wasted 30 hours of my life. I spent it hoping the game would get good but it didn't. The "walking simulator" critique is not unfounded.
