Please be civil and lean towards discussing things you like rather than things you dislike.And discuss VNs in general if you'd like.Bonus: Why I'm making this threadTL;DR To gauge if it's worth finishing the whole Rance series in my case.Because I've finished Utawarerumono (and thought it was a bit less mindblowing than I expected it to be, though it was an excellent series), and am only a fraction through the Rance series, but I'm assuming people rate X so highly not because of, say, very intricate psychological writing, or themes or whatever, but rather because of the scale, the soul, the wild romps, the fun, the wacky characters, etc. Which is great but I don't know if I'd finish the entire series just for that (personal taste). So if the consensus is that the Rance series is pretty similar to the Utawarerumono series, that gives me a lot of data points going forward.But that's only my motivation for making the thread, feel free to make the thread into whatever you want as long as we're not crazily rude. And I yapped a shit ton here but no need to effortpost. just lazy thoughts is fine
As for why I picked these two to compare specifically, for me it goes like>scale>lots of characters>gameplay heavy>doesn't go extremely deep into any particular character (this is not quite true for Utawarerumono, but there are quite a few characters from there I thought could have used more attentive detailed writing like the Maro guy's arc)>war, factions, period piece, etc>fantasyetc
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rulutieh is best girl
>>747426340>and am only a fraction through the Rance seriesThe Rance series only really gets good gameplay wise from 6 onward, Kichikuou Rance being the exception. III is where the world building starts to get moving.That being said, I like Rance overall more due to better characters and world building, though the gameplay of the Utawarerumono SRPGs are better than the Rance SRPGs.
>>747426340>but I'm assuming people rate X so highly not because of, say, very intricate psychological writing, or themes or whatever, but rather because of the scale, the soul, the wild romps, the fun, the wacky characters, etc.It's pretty much the latter, yeah
>>747426340Rance, easily. >and am only a fraction through the Rance seriesRance is one of the best examples in gaming of an IP that truly evolves for the better over time. Like, the ones before 6 are mostly pretty short porn romps with okish stories that have some fun plot beats and great sex scenes. Then with 6 most games becomes better than the last in just about every way. They do get pretty psychological with the writing sometimes, and touch on real themes like dealing with loss.People love X but as someone that hasn't read it because English lmao, Rance Quest is one of my favorite games of all time. Insanely replayable because the cast is fuckhuge massive, and it retroactively makes every past game better because the Rance series does amazingly with worldbuilding and character continuity. The story gets into more serious shit with real stakes and drama and big twists, and plotlines for so many past characters continue while often becoming more serious than their original plots were. Quest is where I went from "haha Rance is le funny rape man" to "shit, they managed to make Rance a deep and flawed character while still having him be Rance". From the spoilers I know of X, that is 10-fold there.The gameplay is even shockingly good because they took the huge roster (72 unique ones) and made most of the characters unique to use. Like, your team probably wants a tank, but that doesn't actually mean you need someone with the tank role. Emi is a returning Mage character you can optionally recruit, and she has a unique perk to represent her hidden masochism where she gains max HP every death, which isn't too hard because she has another pretty rare passive perk where enemies focus attacks on her. I didn't even know she was in the game my first playthrough because her recruit method (flee battles 3 times in a quest and survive it) just didn't happen for me, but on my 2nd playthrough she changed how I played entirely.
>>747426340weird comparison, utawarerumono is a great visual novel (that can have porn) while rance is just porn
>>747426340OP, for an example of a more serious scene from Rance Quest, here's a screenshot with the name censored to avoid too much of a spoiler. It's not the most mindblowing sort of thing but it's played straight, even if the game bounces back to a more cheerful mood a bit after this.
>>747426340Uta's story stuck to me moreRance is pretty cool and the gameplay gets pretty good and bad at times but it's a lot less character-driven than a ray romano
>>747429971I see, I'm close to 6 so that's cool to hear!Although, I'm more interested in story fwiw.
>>747429971>>747431330>>747431443OP and other anons, this is the write-up I managed to finish on these two series exactly, it would behoove me if you take a look. pastebin.com/XwAUPy1x it's a bit wordy but you can just read the TLDR at the top.>>747431850
>>747431330Got you!
>>747426340Probably Rance? But I have far more to talk about and more passion when discussing Utawarerumono.Utaware I feel has such a great introduction and such fun character interactions but because of how the trilogy ends it leaves a pretty shit taste in your mouth.
>>747429971I should go finish 6... I got to the part where you meet Super Ghandi and was kinda just getting bored of the dungeon crawling. The characters are so charming in the Rance series tho.
>>747435234yeah 6 got really long before the mechanics got as polished as later titles, so it's a little rough. worth finishing or at least checking out the main story scenes on youtube to get to the rest of the series.
>>747429945her voice is so cute!
>>747426340Rance.Utawarerumono only has one good game, and it's the original.
>>747426340I don't think they are really that comparable, Rance has so many more games that go in wildly different directions in terms of gameplay and scaleI guess overall quality of story is higher for Utawarerumono because its pretty focused and cohesive for the three main games, Rance is all over the place and more standalone, though most games are still overall goodTo be fair I haven't played Rance X yet, so that might change my opinion since that's the big epic payoff game after all
X english fufjking when?
>>747426340While Futari no Hakuoro starts great, I really don't like the last act with the affeminate villain and his twinks. As for Rance, it never gave me the impression that it tries to be a big epic or something. Never played any tho. Rurutieh best girlEither way, read Muv-Luv if you want that.
>>747429945Her voice really sold me on her, it was surprising finding out that she voiced Eris from Mushoku Tensei. The VA has a lot of range.
>>747426340>UtawarerumonoI liked the first one. The sequel was too verbose, so I quit halfway.
so it goes
>>747426340Rance is more fun, Utawarerumono has a better story
>>747426340ranceI feel like it has a consistent tone while uta can't decide whether it wants to be serious or a gooner game
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>>747426340uta but ive never played rancethe latest game was pretty average though
>>747437061ONLY CORRECT ANSWER ITT
Rance has only one good game, which is Sengoku and it's only because of gameplay.Utawarerumono trilogy is a whole package, even though the gameplay is passable at best.
>>747446837that's funny, sengoku has some of the weakest gameplay. units are pretty much only relevant for their type and not much else, the actual character attached to them means very little. the other later-half rance games have so much more depth to the combat, the only thing sengoku has going for it is that the bits between combat are the map-based strategy game instead of a dungeon crawler or something.
>>747426340utawarerumono i guess. characters, art, music, worldbuilding were excellent. sengoku rance was fun but rance himself was too infantile to appreciate and the h-content was too wide a net to satisfy any particular fetish. nonetheless the art was also excellent. characters were numerous but as a result, not as fleshed out. some tracks were decent, but not as emotion-tugging. worldbuilding, well, i can't rank it since it's mostly just japan with rance series characters.gameplay-wise, sengoku rance has the edge. i love tactics game and utawarerumono's was good enough, but sengoku's was new to me and did it well. there's the darkness and also daisengoku mods but i haven't played those since you have to play all of the series to fully appreciate.
I still have no FUCKING idea why they decided to make a terrible JRPG for their "prequel" when their SPRG format was doing okay. I don't even hate MM story so far but good lord that gameplay is filtering me HARD. Will Uta 5 be even worth it or is this all for naught?
>>747438108Muv Luv Alternative is actual dogshit and I think less of people who like that disappointing, bloated fart of a story
>>747426340Uta for sure but I haven't played Rance X yet. Rance's tone is a bit too silly to take even the serious parts THAT seriously. The only one I really liked a lot was Kichikuou I think that did a great job juggling humour and lore while being overall darker.
>>747426340Utawarerumono. I guess I can see the similarity to rance but imo you should check out suikoden.
>>747426340Apple to orange, but I prefer underwater ray romano (earlier games)
Anju is so fucking cute.
>>747449604>Will Uta 5 be even worth it or is this all for naughtthe JRPG sequel? it's worse than the first one. it's only for if you REALLY want more of the world.
>>747450231she's wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than nekone
>>747437061based
>>747450380Nekone is an interesting character, but I do agree that Anju is so much more lovable and charming. So fluffy too.
>>747450280NO! I THOUGHT THE FINAL UTA GAME WOULD BE KINO NOOOOOOOOOOO
>>747429945>fujoshit
>>747451318munechika got saved from being solely a fujo swine by the JRPG seriesmikazuchi was already cool so he didn't change much in my eyes
Massive spoiler for the most recent Uta game.I got around to finishing it finally, and fucking hell what a sad send-off, in every sense of the word. I actually did cry but even more than that I'm so fucking mad they actually pulled a retarded time travel retcon instead of trying to just make the story actually function as a prequel. The entire POINT of the series was to see Oshtor go from stick-up-his-ass-paladin kid to Ukon/humblesmug asshole and they completely fucked that up, they also really rushed through Mune and Mikazuchi's backstory as well. I'm like the words biggest fan of this fucking series and while I still found a lot to enjoy about it, it really felt like it needed to be a trilogy and got squished down way too hard and fucked with. It also fucking sucks that it's over, I wish Aquaplus wasn't retarded and could just figure out how to make some fucking money, dear god you have some of the best writers and artists in the industry, how do you fuck it up? Oh well.Maybe something nice will happen in the future, but I'm not counting on it.
>>747452747yeah, I was a little disappointed it focused so much on shunya and halu. it's definitely the weakest of the 5 and MM was 4th.
>>747446079>>747450482I'm not even saying that to be an asshole or based. I genuinely find the other games to be boring and generic, in complete opposite to the original Utawarerumono.It's as if the future games made sure to be as annoying as possible while taking all the fun parts of the original. It's pathetic, if I want to read something generic, I read literally any other visual novels or your shitty anime video games.The OG Utawarerumono was posed, mature, contemplative, introspective, had mature MCs, not many animu moments. The others are the complete opposite. Why should I care?
>>747457413sounds like you like to get high on your own farts though
>>747457581Probably. I don't like generic stuffs, thousands of them outta there that I don't care about. So when the next games are like the same thing I dislike or ignore...
>>747457413Holy larp
>>747426340Rance is better in terms of varied gameplay and replay valueUnderwater Ray Romano 1-3 are better in terms of writing and worldbuilding
>>747457413>The OG Utawarerumono was posed, mature, contemplative, introspectiveHaku alone is like an objectively more compelling MC than Hakuowlo is. The only "flaw" of the sequels compared to the OG is that it takes much longer to get into what the actual plot of the story is, but on the flipside the war setup is much more interesting and grand then the filler villain of the week setup of the original
>>747437061>Rance only has one good game, and it's Sengokuftfy
>>747431443>great sex scenescome on now
>>747426340Rance, I guess.Some of the games in the series are absolutely garbage, but the series is a lot more unique and left a stronger lasting impression on me than Uta. Also, the cultural impact is just incomparable.
we are so back
Uta has my favourite seiyuu, Rance doesn't.
>>747426340I've only played Uta, and I played it because I like SRPGs, not because I like eroge. I do like eroge, but not enough to make me play a game that looks like it's not fun without it.
>ranceit's refreshing to have a protagonist who wants to, and does, fuck all the cute girls. i can relate to that.kinda hard to go back to other games, especially other japanese games where mc acts like some sort of 14yo boy.
>>747429971>the gameplay of the Utawarerumono SRPGs are betterpost some screenshots of the gameplayall i see is VN stuff
>>747465647Grid based tactics rpg like FF Tactics
>>747467481all right thanks anon. desu it looks more FE than FFT, looks remind me a lot of rance 9. i'll check it out. does the protag do a lot of rape?
>>747467860It's got a more dynamic camera but it is closer to Tactics or Disgaea in execution(take place right there) than FE where battles shift to a whole different plane
>>747467912i'm talking about two things.1. the map. in FFT and disgaea even the most basic maps have terrain and verticality. there is no map in those games which looks like a flat area. FE has many such maps, or maps which are not substantially different from a flat map (e.g. flat with choke point)2. the builds. just from that one screenshot, i don't see the item world autism of disgaea, or the subclass/ability autism of FFT. it's closer to FE by the looks of itanyway that's just what i meant by it looks more like FE than FFT.what do you mean by "in execution(take place right there"?
>>747426340I've been wanting to play Utawarerumono, is there any significant different between ports/versions that I should be aware of? I only played Rance 01 and didn't end up liking it much, some parts were really funny but most of it was just really boring and lolsorandom, the combat system was what really killed it for me, I think I'll just play the older games when I get back to it
>>747468315FE has attacks take place on a seperate "field" to show your army attacking or isolating you and the enemy you attack(depending on entry) where as Ray Romano has attacks play out directly on the field like Disgaea or FFT.
>>747459506>Haku alone is like an objectively more compelling MC than Hakuowlo isIn a vaccum maybe but in reality he spends a whole game surrounded by crazy bitches verbally and physically beating the shit out of him for no reason and he just accepts it because Leaf's writers have had severe brain damage since ToHeart 2.>haha Kuon beat Haku to a pulp again because some minor reason that's not even his fault! Just as funny the fifth time!
>>747471882I still ended up liking Kuon, but she started coming off as genuinely unhinged especially with that stunt she pulled in Truth with Anju.
>>747468335Only really for the first game, there's the original and the remake with the same graphics / engine as the sequels. Remake has no h-scenes.
>>747426340https://alicesoft.miraheze.org/wiki/Kichikuou_Rance:Cheats#Quality_of_Life_Mod_(Recommended)Vibeslopped out a QOL Mod for anyone who hasn't played kichikuou yet.
>>747426340Sex with slutty kalars.
>>747465460I feel the same, tried sengoku and was surprised how enjoyable it was. Slowly working my way up through the series now with 01.Its a damn brash of fresh air having a protag thats genuinely bold and unashamed and with natural desires.
Does MM get better? God the gameplay is so fucking ass.
>>747426340Rance >>> utashit because Rance has SEX therefore his games for adults like I am!
>>747426340These games are too fucking long and the basic gameplay goes from charming to agonizingRance 6 was the last one I was playing and I tried to hard to pick it back up over and over but it's agonizing to get through and it burned me out on the franchiseSengoku was awesome but that's the only one I really enjoyed
>>7474793516 is way too grindy and greatly overrated IMOTry Kichikuou
>>747426340Utawarerumono. Haku is the best LN hero.
Really like Uta, really nice series. Story broke me at points. God I wish I could just forget it to play it again, even with some of it's low points.I enjoy Rance both ironically and unironically. I just wish it was all translated. Still got some good memories like my friend being traumatized by Kohime getting raped and him dropping the game out of pure hatred for being unable to stop it.
>>747426340Rance is unvoiced making it inferior by default.
>>747479560I loved it at the start, the gameplay was both simple yet rewarding, I liked the vibe and atmosphere the game had. But something about it just became increasingly obtuse and grindy, I just felt stuck and the game didn't evolve in any way for the past 10 hours.>KichikuouI remember trying it over a decade ago and feeling a bit intimidated by its strategy focus and age. Maybe I'll give it another shot.Could I also play Quest instead? It looked pretty fun. Idk how much each game suffers from not playing in chronological order.
>>747478936The first Romano game has lots of sex in it too tough, I distinctly remember fucking Kamyu
>>747426340Utawarerumono has a shit war plot whereas Rance X has an interesting war plot because you initially start at a disadvantage from the start & it's up to you to save everyone. Rance X is a kamige.
>>747479839If you can play Sengoku you can easily play Kichikuou. For me it was the other way around where I was overwhelmed when first trying Sengoku but Kichikuou eases you into the systems way better with a fairly prolonged "tutorial" section and you can't really fuck yourself too hard early on.I wouldn't recommend Quest if you got bored of 6, it's similar but way grindier and way longer and the dungeons are less interesting and more repetitive.>Idk how much each game suffers from not playing in chronological order.If you're in it for the gameplay? Not at all really they're all quite distinct.If you're genuinely interested in the story you should start at 01 and go from there, everything up to IX is translated now.
>>747438108Uta may have a shit villain with Woshis but the ending with Kuon is great and bittersweet cinema, while MLA ending is rushed dogshit and anyone who likes it is a drooling retard
>>747480825Nah, the ending credits with "Muv-Luv 2006" and Kasumi crying are cathartic
>>747480825I agree with you about deception/truth but MLA's ending was good. It was probably the only good part of it after 30 hours of JSDF larp.
>>747426340I like rance because of the gameplaynever had any interest in even trying utawarerumonomind you I have not played all rance games, just sengoku and kichikuou
>>747481165>MC is stuck in humiliation ritual autopilot mobility scooter after 80+ hours of build up for his epic super special gamer gundam moves >the whole cast dies unceremoniously >nearly fail at this dumb suicide mission and only asspulls a victory because the antagonist let them win>he lets them know thats it pointless anyway because there is 50 gorillion more of him out there>Kasumi then sits MCs ass down and explains the rest of the plot with Sumika and the time travel shit War of the Worlds style because there is no time left lmao>"Ok be on your way to happy timeline now dont worry we got this ez"And when i argue that Takeru left everyone to die in that doomed timeline mlafags tell me "erm akshually cookie confirmed in some random ass magazine that humans won the war because... they just did ok???" OK bud lmao nice writing
>>747482156You didn't get it and you got filtered, and that's okay.
>>747482212Screenshot and added to my collage of concessions
>>747482392That wasn't me but the whole cast dying is what made the ending kino. Takeru could have saved Meiya if he wasn't a faggot though.
I don't think humanity won the war looking at integrate screenshots....
>>747426340Depends on skin color.
>>747480825>>747449725As I said in the OP post, please be civil and nice even with each other! Post more about things you like please.>>747438108Muv Luv was definitely a big epic! I feel like Rance gives off a similar impression in terms of what the early games are building up to though, you didn't get that impression?
>>747437061>>747457413What was so good about the original Utawarerumono? I am asking as a total neutral observer, I just don't remember much from the series as it's been some time so I'm just curious
>>747437424Just a few more monthshttps://xcancel.com/The_Doddler/status/2097536159685697880
>>747449725its like a 7,5 the interactions with the beta were interesting
I really like Labyrinth of Refrain and Galleria but I can't quite seem to find anything that can scratch the itch and it sucks that the director left NIS so now another game will literally never be made. I've been trying to find something and I keep coming up with nothing
>>747480053>Rance X has an interesting war plot because you initially start at a disadvantage from the start & it's up to you to save everyoneDamn, just like... Utawarerumono.
>>747488683only took them ten years>>747489007try rance 6, it's the closest to them. otherwise... disgaea?
>>747489040All the countries and everyone fighting are things that had entire games dedicated to them before. It's comparable.
>>747488961Like objectively it's probably around 6-7, but as someone who actually liked Extra and Unlimited for what they were I thought most of Alt was dreadful to go through and the payoff was not worth the journey whatsoever. There's still some good parts (chomp arc was excellent and my favorite part of the story) and the battles were cool but everything else was a slog. Also Takeru is an awful MC, I don't understand what the fuck people are reading when they praise him because he sucks shit and his self pitying monologues in the second half are horrendous to readI don't think I would've hated it as much if it didn't sink into me after the disappointing nothing ending that THIS was apparently the greatest VN ever made 10/10 ultrakamige for so many years
>>747450231damn brat
>>747450684i think every scene with these three stuck with me more than i would've expected
>>747488961All the battles against BETAs except Kashgar are fucking kino I did enjoy alternative quite a bit but damn that ending was dogwater
>>747489007If you mean the dungeon crawling try Etrian OdysseyStory wise I have no idea as I never played those.>>747490639Honestly overhyping can ruin anything as nothing will ever live up to the image in your head, I felt this way about Dies Irae and Muramasa when they were finally translated. Still enjoyable but not kamige.MLA is phenomenal though feel bad for you.
>>747482156>And when i argue that Takeru left everyone to die in that doomed timelinewdym? They had just wiped out the original, largest hive on Earth and prevented the BETA hivemind from learning information about the XG-70. From then on the battle on Earth was pretty much in the bag. As for the larger battle of Humanity vs BETA on the Moon and in the broader Galaxy, that was supposed to be addressed in Integrate but that ones never coming out.
>>747426340I didn't particularly like Uta 2 and 3, 1 was good. I think Rance X is a bit overrated, writing is too goofy for what it tries to do. Kichikuou is better in that regard. Series as a whole is enjoyable tho, and Alicesoft has some decent non-Rance games (Dohna Dohna, Dai- series, Toushin Toushi).
>>747468335In remake of 1, MC is voiced by Rikiya Koyama. But you miss on the scenes.
>>747492327I'm pretty sure he was voiced in the original too.
>>747491067Ah.
>>747491779>mla is phenomenalIt really isn't. overhyping aside, the writing quality goes to the toilet after the extra arc, where 90% of the dialogue consists Takeru's shitty monologues about how much of a fucking loser he is, Takeru interviewing every female character in the game about muh resolve, or even more infodumps. The Valkyrie squad are literal filler characters and their deaths are so telegraphed I couldn't even begin to feel anything for them, while they also take away screentime from characters you're actually supposed to give a fuck about. Speaking of which, outside of Meiya the squad basically stop existing as characters and only exist to be Takeru's harem orbiters, something that was absolutely not needed. EVERYTHING to do with the 00-unit is so fucking bad I don't even know where to start, but nonsensical alien tentacle rape for fake drama speaks for itself.>>747482156 covers why the ending is donkey balls pretty well, but I'd like to add that in addition to being strapped to the handicap chair, Takeru's squad thinks so little of him they (correctly) recognize that he's overly emotional tard who will freak out and ruin everything if he realizes, which almost happens. Nothing about his character really changed at the end of the day, he's still dipshit sperg who needs to be babysat by his squad, which would be slightly less intolerable if every character didn't worship the ground he walks on for breathingFuck this kusoge, the only reason I say it's a 6 or 7 is because I thought the worldbuilding and BETA were awesome, the actual story and characters start off average and fall off a cliff
>>747491860They won a respite but for how many years? Whats stopping BETAs from sending another one right away? Or multiple at once? Really didnt feel like a big win
>>747493320Damn you're mad. Takeru is one of the all time greats sorry bud.
>>747493607I think Yuuko outright says at the end, you've bought humanity maybe another couple decades to recover and strengthen itself, which itself is a huge win considering how fucked and depressing their universe is.
>>747492643https://vndb.org/r298>Not voicedThey first added voices in PS2 version, so maybe there's an unofficial patch to backport them to original game, the same way it was done for Fate.
>>747493626I am, it's one thing to play a shitty game but reading something overwhelmingly mediocre that has glimpses of greatness that it never lives up to is much worse. Takeru has one decent moment where he fights 10 Fort class jobbers and that's about it. Remember how he was being hyped up as a natural born leader all throughout Alt and even going as far back as fucking Extra with the lacrosse arc? That never pays off at all, in the ending he is literally being led around the nose like a dumbass, how is this satisfying character progression?
>>747493607>Whats stopping BETAs from sending another one right away?The orbital defense system that constantly intercepts new hives being launched from the moon.
>>747485959Kill yourself subhumanDon't tell me to be civil
>>747494236>only protagonist moment he likes is hype oneMy dude people like Takeru because he is relatable, and suffers and despairs and cries and pisses himself, and grows from a little baby bitch boy to a fighter despite all the pain. He's never a full-on "badass" because this is not a setting where such people survive much longer than others anyway (other than in the The Day After timeline but that's after several years and by a different author, I consider it fanservice more than anything).I'm guessing you're a Rance fan who wants his protagonist to be some power fantasy who gets all the bitches and doesn't take any shit, but that's never what Muvluv was about in the first place.
>>747493749Based on??? The only reason they could get a respite is that the BETAs are robots and programmed to not hurt sentient life so after the little discussion with Takeru the super intendent might have sent a message to the Hive to hold off on Earth because they might have made a mistakeBut this is all headcanon and cookie's canon is that humanity somehow won against BETAs and their fifty birions worlds through G-element asspulls *eventually*The actual truth is that they had to end the story, but there was too much to tell and the project was way too ambitious compared to their capabilities, the game got too long, they ran out of budget and shat out an ending.
>>747485959FUCK YOU
>>747494860>after the little discussion with Takeru the super intendent might have sent a message to the Hive to hold off on Earth because they might have made a mistakeThis never happened, Takeru never presented any convincing evidence.It's simply the lack of central coordination will completely hamstring the BETA's ability to adapt and strategize, which is their main threat on a grand scale, so long as they don't let any other hive get to Kashgar's size.
>>747494860>But this is all headcanon and cookie's canon is that humanity somehow won against BETAs and their fifty birions worlds through G-element asspulls *eventually*Where are you getting this? Even in that exogularity thing the BETA aren't even close to defeated lol
>>747493607>Whats stopping BETAs from sending another one right away? Or multiple at once?Aside from what >>747494381 said, the Kashgarr Hive was (iirc) the only Hive that was at a level to be sending materials and information to space and was the point through which all the Earth hives would get their information updated (specifics are fuzzy for me because it's been 5 years). But essentially, the BETA at large would never even get the information that something is going wrong on Earth, which is just a tiny blip in their massive operation anway. And ultimately, like I said in >>747491860 the next phase after getting rid of all the remaining hives on Earth is to immediately launch an attack on the surrounding solar system. Everyone acknoweldges the war is far from over, but Operation Cherry Blossom marks the first time Humanity has clearly gotten a step over the BETA since they started fighting.>>747494860>so after the little discussion with Takeru the super intendent might have sent a message to the Hive to hold off on EarthReiterating what I said above, but the destruction of the Kashgar Hive cuts off all communication between the Earth Hives and the broader BETA hivemind that exists in the galaxy and beyond
>>747494792>his protagonist to be some power fantasy who gets all the bitchesThat's part of the problem because that's what everyone else that isn't Takeru himself treat him as! It's insufferable to read because he is simultaneously a whiny, self pitying faggot that ALSO gets a harem of bitches and is treated like Jesus Christ incarnate by everyone for doing fucking nothing! The squads deaths are them literally lining up to profess their undying love for Takeru (despite barely spending any time with him in this universe) before kicking the bucket. And yes, after countless monologues about how he has to be better and how he won't run away etc. etc. for 30+ hours I don't think I'm wrong to expect him to be a little bit more than a babbling retard who almost fails at the one job everyone else sacrifices their lives for during the final stretch. I'm actually an Uta fan and thought Haku did the whole "average guy is thrust into a war and leadership role he was never prepared for" premise light years better
>>747426340they're both some of the best VNs ever. rance X will always be #1 doe
>>747495760Kashgar is the only hive housing the "brain", as would any new hive that arrives from space. The child hives are just the supply hubs.
For me, it's mommy Munechika
>>747494792>Rance fan who wants his protagonist to be some power fantasy who gets all the bitches and doesn't take any shitWhy are you talking about something you never played in your life?
Punishing Gray Raven is just MLA but better written, but vnfags are sleeping on it
>>747498597>mune means boobsyes, Kojima literally called her booby chick
>>747495760>Reiterating what I said above, but the destruction of the Kashgar Hive cuts off all communication between the Earth Hives and the broader BETA hivemind that exists in the galaxy and beyondI mean like while they were talking he was sending information, i mean it is a Hive Mind. The BETAs at large have been sent for a long time now by Sumika images of her getting fucked in the ass, which would raise doubt in BETAs since generally non-sentient creatures arent capable of anal sex
>>747499876I don't doubt it but I've ignored it since it's unvoiced.
>>747499876There's no such things as a gacha with a good story
>>747500143even if it's not a good story, he's probably right about it being better than MLA. extremely low bar after all
>>747499876>chinese>gachaslop>3D actionI would rather deepthroat a shotgun
>>747500273Sound like you have no reading comprehension
>>747500143Arknights is pretty much a VN with gameplay. GFL1 has decent writing. FGO is supposedly good too, but I've no desire to try it.
>>747500389a bad story can still be better written than a horrible one.
>>747500273Only tourists think MLA is bad in any way or form. Even 20 years later, its sprite usage and camera movements are still better than most VNs. You don't even need to imagine the impact it had when it was released.
>>747499907yes
>>747500571production and presentation cannot save dogshit writing.
>>747500665Your subjective opinion about the writing being bad is not the objective majority.
>>747496092>Takeru himself treat him as! It's insufferable to read because he is simultaneously a whiny, self pitying faggot that ALSO gets a harem of bitches and is treated like Jesus Christ incarnate by everyone for doing fucking nothinYou're outright lying. He gets shit on pre-Extra arc with the girls getting fed up with his arrogance after the coup and comes back after dooming his world with Yuuko knowing damn well that it'd happen. The valks respect his skills, but they don't really open to him; only the leader gets a good one-on-one talk with him after everyone saw him solo 15+ goddam fortresses and their escorts.>I'm actually an Uta fan and thought Haku did the whole "average guy is thrust into a war and leadership role he was never prepared for" premise light years betterTakeru never becomes a leader. MLA is about him gaining the proper mindset to become a pilot.
>>747500501Why not just read a visual novel instead of wasting your time like a wagie in a pseudo-ecchi game with predatory mechanics and zero romance progression? At least there, the MC is guaranteed to fuck the heroines, and the story is actually finished.
>>747501238I'd rather read a mediocre game with zero romance progression than some vapid moeshit like A*kana.
>>747501372There is nothing of value in gacha besides the cute girls, so they are even below that.
>>747426340For me it's Nekone
>>747500501I find it impossible to immerse myself in gacha stories because the ''gameplay'' is almost always subpar, All the menu navigating and gambling really kill my immersion. Am I really supposed to give a shit about this random 5* I pulled when she only becomes relevant after 15 hours of reading?The disconnect is too big for me to feel any attachments.
Are Leaf other VNs worth reading? White Album? To Heart?
>>747449725>>747482156
>>747501882Not really.
>>747493320Truth nuke.
>>747501952I thought WA2 is the pinnacle of melodrama kino. i mean my biggest problem is i'm not a big fan of black hime hair girls...
>>747499483I've played most Rance games that's exactly what he is and does man. Not saying it's bad but it's a different type of character entirely.
>>747501882Toheart 1 is pretty good, 2 kinda sucks desu, it felt like it has more than 100 hours, finishing it was a chore.
>>747499876>>747500501>shilling gachaslopYou deserve whatever death you get.
>>747503062>muh gachanot my fault you have no taste or self controlseethe, queer ;)
What a terrible thread.
>>747503296kek bodied that mong
>>747500973>You're outright lying. He gets shit on pre-Extra arc with the girls getting fed up with his arrogance after the coup and comes back after dooming his world with Yuuko knowing damn well that it'd happen. The valks respect his skills, but they don't really open to him; only the leader gets a good one-on-one talk with him after everyone saw him solo 15+ goddam fortresses and their escorts.Yuuko is the ONLY character to actually treat him like the mouthbreather he is, Meiya is even okay with him "raping" her because he's that amazing and important to everyone. What the fuck are you talking about, the entire point of pre Extra is some chinese regression shit where he's meant to be this super soldier that's good at everything due to his experience in Unlimited only to rugpull that facade with his first taste of real BETA combat, but his squad fellates the shit out of him before and after that arc>Takeru never becomes a leader.You're straight up misremembering things. Chizuru is their leader-leader but Takeru is absolutely meant to be the second in the command and "true" leader except he doesn't do fucking anything. Genuine question, why the fuck is he even a part of the obvious suicide mission if everyone believes he doesn't have the stomach for death? Are you going to tell me that Sumika moaning about how good BETA cock is for 20 minutes and how her growing a clit dick and having her tits enlarged is actually meant to be tragic body horror and not hilariously out of place fetish content you're meant to jack off to next?
>>747503062Gachas are modern VNs and both Utawa and Rance are half gacha franchises anyway. They have their share of problems, but it’s the only place today where you can get a VN story with an amount of effort comparable to stuff like MLA, Muramasa etc.
>>747505585Every gacha I've tried (many over the years) has had its story suffer for being a gacha to variying degrees. And not a single one has had good gameplay or consistent writing compared to actual VNs. It's a trash medium for storytelling and those who shill it for free should suffer.>with an amount of effort comparable to stuff like MLA, Muramasa etc.Not a single gacha has this btw, not even fucking close.
>>747504850>her growing a clit dickerm, we call it clenis around here
>>747501882white album 2 + coda. easily the kind of story i wish i forgot it existed just so i could read it again
>>747500308>3D action3D is only the gameplay part, which is like 5-10 minutes in a 10-15 hour-long chapter usually. >gachaslopYou don’t have to interact with that part at all if you’re only here for the story. Every character is given to you just like that when needed, and there is no energy or any other form of timegating.>chineseyeah, you have to deal with this one
>>747426340Only ever played rance. I don't think I've ever heard of this other game
>>747506423You gotta be a big romance fan to enjoy this kind of thing though right? I don't think I ever read any pure romance VN besides Katawa Shoujo and some Key stuff if you wanna count that.
>>747507139>You gotta be a big romance fan to enjoy this kind of thing though right?More like a big drama and telenovela fan. People who like romance don't read White Album 2, they stick to their moe with slice-of-life and low drama.
>>747505908>good gameplayThere are a bunch that almost don’t have any gameplay in them if you don't want to interact with them like BA or PGR. >consistent writing compared to actual VNsNigga, 90% of actual VNs are nukige slop with kindergarten-tier writing.>Not a single gacha has this btwMost gachas have that and a lot more, because they usually have a lot bigger budgets than any VN except for maybe Type-Moon ones. It’s just objective reality.
>>747507374budget has nothing to do with writing quality
>>747507139i guess it depends on perspective? the mc is not a self-insert so you yourself don't exactly fall in love with the heroines. but if you tend to cry watching sad movies and such, then this would be a good read. otherwise i wouldn't recommend it if the genre bores you
>>747507374>almost don’t have any gameplay in them if you don't want to interact with them like BA or PGR.Yeah then why do they have any gameplay at all you dumb nigger cunt? I played a decent amount of BA, up to the end of 3rd big arc with the student council shit, it was garbage and the gameplay was embarrassingly simplistic.>90% of actual VNs are nukige slop with kindergarten-tier writing.90% of gacha are worse than that lol, and you were comparing them to actual high tier VNs like Muvluv and Muramasa, not random moege.>Most gachas have that and a lot more, because they usually have a lot bigger budgets than any VN except for maybe Type-Moon onesSimply unfucking true, most gacha don't even have voice acting, don't have many CGs, rarely have action scenes as those are usually replaced by their dogshit gameplay. Despite having 1 million times the budget they have 1 million times less effort and quality.
So, what's the current cope VN for JOPs to brag about since most of the praised ones have been translated?
REMEMBER TO PRIORITIZE GOOD VIBES AND TRY TO BE KIND TO EACH OTHER IN THIS THREAD
>>747507703>most of the praised ones have been translatedso what? every FSN translation is still garbage
>>747426340Sengoku Rance is one of my absolute favorite games of all time. How does Ray Romano compare?
>>747503062Being a contrarian doesn't make you an interesting person.
>>747507496i didn't said anything about the quality of the writing, i guess i should have said production value >>747507654>Yeah then why do they have any gameplay at allWhat’s your point even? You said you don’t like gameplay, I’ve said play those without gameplay if you only want a story, simple as.> you were comparing them to actual high tier VNsYou brought up “actual VNs” like any gacha is worse than them, so I reminded you that most actual VNs are garbage.>Simply unfucking truemost gachas are 10 times longer than most vns, have more music and cgs obviously and this gameplay you don't like still has a lot more animations than any vn you can make better arguments as to why gachas are bad without just writing blatant lies and being mad for no reason
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Speaking of Gacha, wasn’t there a utawareru gacha?Is it still alive?
>>747515139it's EoS, i think, but aquaplus is porting the rest of the games while working on new project or so i've read
>>747515139
>>747515425I see, I wonder what they will make now that utawarerumono ended
>>747515726https://www.gematsu.com/2024/11/aquaplus-announces-new-rpg-project-kizunai enjoyed uwawamono and will look forward to whatever they have in the kitchen
>>747507703Magical Girl Witch Trials until the translation gets released.
>>747516331it's translated.
Rance is amazing, I tried Uta and got bored pretty quick, after conquering a palace
>>747516485i'd say if you can stomach prelude it only gets better but i can see the first game being slow
>>747515619Do hope they end up putting that on Steam atleast
>>747507740
It's so weird with Uta 3 having the most peak moments I've ever seen in the history of gaming but it's also insanely rushed and drops plot points and threads like crazy. Has a bunch of random filler that doesn't matter. I get it's kinda a con for all 3 of the games but I think it hits on the third one the most.
MoD > MoT
Overall Rance has a consistent and actually pretty well written story that doesn't shit itself later on.
>>747507890nah the latest one is pretty decent
>>747510448>You said you don’t like gameplayI like good gameplay dumb faggot, which no gacha game has ever had.>longer = betterlmaaao>animations for crappy gameplay being compared to sprite use and cinematography in plot important action scenesYour brain doesn't work right man
>>747520074Very likeable kyara
>>747508986Being a VN fan who hates gacha isn't being contrarian, it's normal for anyone who appreciates and understands what makes VNs good. Gacha games are pretty much VNs but bad.
>>747520518>Gacha games are pretty much VNs but VNs.
>>747520563>gachafaggot who doesn't like VNs in the first place arguing gachas are just like VNsWow, how insightful.
>>747520074i felt nothing at the end of his arc mostly because i hated reading his dialoguethat map was fun though
>>747520518>Being a VN fan who hates gacha isn't being contrarianBeing a niche thing enjoyer that hates popular thing because he thinks it makes him sound cool is the definition of being contrarian. I bet you're also a proud vegan.
>>747520339It always sucks to see a lot of series I like have a mediocre/shit ending or get milked forever, so Rance ending on the best game in the series makes me appreciate the series overall a lot more
>>747520942name 1 good gacha. I'll wait.
>>747520942Whatever you say man, the point isn't the hate the popular thing because it "makes you cool" or whatever the fuck but because it's the opposite of the things you like, and wastes good ideas on dogshit products for brainless retards.
>>747521026>Originally an Adol parody character>Become his own thing with a well written story and great characters>End up the series with a bang while the original is stuck in Limbo of mediocre games
>>747521145>on dogshit products for brainless retards.So visual novels?
>>747520760fuck you
>>747520339Honestly I've started disliking videogames over time but the Rance series is probably the one I enjoy the most, it's definitely the best videogame series I ever played, in retrospect.>Has a clear vision>An actually tasteful blend of comedy and seriousness>Knew when to stop (I can't stress this enough)>Unique world building and lore that shows nearly as much as it tells>Great music throughout>Never afraid of exploring different genresI love TADA so much and wish he didn't need to go work at a supermarket to make ends meet after leaving Alicesoft but he'll go down in history as a genuine artist dedicated to his craft
>>747521207Nah, gacha games. VNs are for connoisseurs with an attention span and no weird gambling compulsions.
>>747521238
>>747521125What's the point? You'll call anything dogshit because (you), the special snowlflake, haven't played it.
>>747521397i have played multiple that sucked. go on, name your favorite, unless you're too ashamed of your taste
>>747521281>gacha are le gamblingman I miss 2010
>>747426340i tried to get into underwater ray romano but idk the gameplay just wasn't doing it for me, i'd rather just read a straight-up vn
>>747521278>and wish he didn't need to go work at a supermarketYou're just making shit up right? He's not actually spending his retirement as a wagie, right?
>>747521509Uta 1 is legitimately trash after the first quarter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0VA0np-k6EVN fan, but I think I will bite the bullet and try this, the girls are hot
>>747521278I agree, Rance is amazinghttps://youtu.be/9OCoR_C0AlA
>>747521461name the ones you played and tell the class why you didn't like them
>>747521573>it's afraid
>>747521486You can't deny tons of gacha fans enjoy the gambling aspect, fuck off with your denial to try to clean up the image of gachafags, I've probably spent longer in those communities than you. They really are as bad as their outside image implies.
>>747426340Uta 3 is my favourite VN of all time and I have yet to finish even one single Rance game.
>>747521532yeah and they're all SEXABLE, you may hate it but at least we get new sex scenes with ML and ML:TE girls. story is also still tragedykino. all the girls in the game are BETAs lol.
honestly I've played a lot of gacha (every mihoyo gacha starting from hi3rd, both arknights, the two kuro games gacha, hbr, guardian tales, nte, counter side) and aside from guardian tales I wouldn't put a single one of them above the worst moege I've played when it comes to being memorable, they all have especially terrible dialogueI dropped HBR rather quickly though so I can't say much about it, but even if I didn't these games just don't commit to memory ; I can still remember some SMEEslop moments but I wouldn't be able to remember a single moment of OG AK (that I dropped around Dusk's release) if held at gunpoint despite spending a lot more time on it
>>747521621so you lied, a shame
>thread about uta and rance>suddenly about muv luv and gacha gamesanyways, anyone know any good VNs that have a ghost/tulpa romance? holy shit subahibi give me straight diabetes with that shit. I know there's technically Root Double (even if that ends up being a red herring) but holy fuck I remember having a good time with it until the whole final arc just ends up being BEEEEESHEEEE BEEEESHEEEE BEEEESHEEE spam everywhere.
>>747521515>Since his retirement, TADA has continued to assist Alicesoft as a play-tester.[4] He additionally began working a second job as a part-time employee at a grocery store before quitting at the height of the COVID-19 pandemic.[44] He also maintains a blog known as the Haniwa Development Office (ハニワ開発室, haniwa kaihatsu-shitsu) that he updates regularly. The blog focuses on recounting his career and describing his beliefs about game development as well as the various hobbies he has taken up in his retirement, like reviewing video games that he is playing in his retirement in the section called "Game Diary" (ゲーム日記, Gēmu nikki).Guess we don't know really know at the moment...
>>747521647saying gacha is just gambling is the same as saying vns are just porn, you're being obtuse
>>747522020so you're ashamed of your taste, typical insecure gachacuck
>>747522092chaos;head
>>747521802>That spoilerWhat the fuckIs the mc hallucinating while putting his penis in soldier-class beta vaginas during sex scenes?
>>747522092Zelda Spirit Tracks
>>747522129>seethinglittle timmy not so hot after being caught lying on the internet
>>747522276why are you so scared of naming your favorite game?
>>747522380why are you so scared of naming your least favorite games?
>>747522121No one said it's just gambling I dunno where you got that faggot.
>>747522552did you jack off to your porn power point presentation while writing this?
>>747522163eh I didn't really like the romance in Chaos;Head, did Noah add better romance routes? >>747522209uhhh someone on /mlg/ posted spoilers before but from what I remember it's all the girls are carbon based lifeforms used just to suck off MC's vitality or something. apparently one of the student council pres or members realizes and tries to help MC but then gets eradicated and replaced. I may be wrong. I'll re-ask in /mlg/ for you. >>747522227kek sorta true. one of the more spicier zeldas for sure.
is this from ps2 ? i like the looking of these games
I thought I told you FAGGOTS to not be toxic in my thread. You retards can't do anything right. Just kill yourselves now.
>>747522674>did Noah add better romance routes?nope, it's worse
>>747522209here, I asked in there, but I'll try to find more on it:>Every BGM song is from the trilogy>colony spaceship arrives at suitable planet after 2000 years at 10% lightspeed (they are out of g-elements for gravitational travel or something, have a g-bomb with them though]>planet likely has carbon life on it so the crew decides to start observing it because they are operating on star trek rules where they will not take over the planet by force because "that would mean we're just like the BETA!" , if coexistence won't be possible they'll grab resources from other planets and leave to find a new planet>After months of this they find a BETA Hive on the planet, BETA must have arrived recently so they decide to get into their TSFs to fuck up the hive to save the planet and secure g-elements>queue entire orbital descent battle with BETA where Antilaser bombs are dropped and everything, fort laser class even shows up when they're on the ground to damage the spaceship in orbit. Except this entire battle doesn't show a single BETA sprite, it's all text only. Very strange choice.>They enter the hive, get fucked up, and MC blows the G-bomb and actually gets back to the ship>60% of their TSFs are fucked, 70% of the ship so everyone in the ship starts losing their shit and lord of the flies style>MCs childhood friend(captain) loses her shit and decides to use terraforming, ai and gene editing to turn the native aliens into a wageslave version of humanity for resource generation>literally larping as the Annunaki>"we're only gonna do it to two isolated islands, it's fine :)">MC is moralfagging and won't accept it, forms a resistance, gets owned and thrown into cryosleep>wakes up after 10.000 years and while in a haze, walks all the way to a TSF and pilots it to the planet (yes really)>Gets brainwashed by the AI
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>>747522663Nah I was jerking off to gelbooru. I'm not embarrassed of VNs having h-scenes though I think they add a lot to them, unlike gachaniggers who constantly have to make excuses for their dogshit monetization system and terrible gameplay.
>>747522674Damn, they are literally semen demons then.
>>747522674Not that guy, but I felt Chaos;Child had better romance with the main girl. Probably just my bias though cause I ended up liking her more than all the other Sci;Adv heroines Try to avoid any spoilers before reading it though
>>747523121too bad about the ending that ruined everything
>>747522862this could all be bullshit but I need someone to connect the dots lol
>>747518945His bored expression while saying that really makes the screenshot lol
>>747522674How would it even make sense for silicon based life to exist? Silicon turns to fucking glass when it hits O2.
>>747523615Not that anon but I thought there were entire planets which have atmospheres almost entirely free of O2. Like Venus.
>>747521278I feel like the serious moments in Rance hit harder exactly because the default tone is usually silly and irreverent.
>>747523803Venus is also 500C.
>>747523803O2 in earth's atmosphere is a product of life, not the other way around.
>>747521278Also the series had a surprisingly nuanced take on JRPG tropes like demons and "the evil empire" and such, for an eroge from the 90s anyway lol.
>>747524205Eh, nothing a decent AC can't deal with.>>747524305Why did methane effectively disappear with the advent of oxygen users?
>>747524523Why did methane effectively disappear with the advent of oxygen users?Reacts with oxygen
>>747526094cute autist
