North American game development is so fucking dead. Even if Americans were not woke, they just are not worth their ridiculously inflated salaries. Europe and Asia are the future of gaming.>In fact, Saber has "no real development in North America any more," as Willits tells GamesIndustry.biz. The company is headquartered in Florida, and a handful of its subsidiaries are based in the US, but the vast majority of its development wings are spread across Europe.>"The problem is stuff like this: big North American development studios, they run about $2 million+ in burn rate a month," Willits says. "A month. SnowRunner, which has made hundreds of millions of dollars, costs us $6 million to make. That's literally three months of development time in California. So just run the math on that. If it takes [a big studio] five years to make a game, that's 60 months, that's $120 million just in salaries.">"Sometimes I play these games – I won't mention the game – and I can just see the wasted money," Willits continues in the new interview. "I can see dollars falling out of the monitor. But I can tell you that the development cost for [Warhammer 40,000] Space Marine 2 was a third of a major game that just released not too many months ago from a big North American studio. It was a third, and it sold 11 million more copies. You don't need to spend $150 million to make a billion."https://www.gamesradar.com/games/third-person-shooter/space-marine-2-dev-says-its-games-are-so-profitable-in-part-because-theyre-made-outside-of-the-us-and-the-company-has-no-real-development-in-north-america-any-more/
That is mostly due to American industry still being obsessed with west coast as a "talent hub" while rest of the world has already caught up to US devs in both production value and skill with half or even quarter of the salary costs.
Do CEOs of european game studios act like CEOs of american studios where they take multi-million dollar bonuses after firing decade-old veterans from their studio to "trim the fat?"I've heard that in Sweden (which is obviously a game dev hotbed right now) management isn't a position that's considered above the rest of the studio nearly as much as it is america
>>747463932Am i supposed to be upset or something? So long as i get more games like Space Marine 2 i don't give a damn where they're made.
All they need to do is to move to the flyover states, but for some reason it is impossible for American studios to not be in California.
>>747464306In Sweden, every worker must have a union available to them, by law.Which means that corporations have significantly less power since there is always a union looking out for workers regardless of the type of business or specific company.
>>747464424I really wanna know how entertainment duped itself into thinking Commiefornia is the nexus of everything.
i am going to kill everyone and then myself
>>747464437>comparatively socialist country with a strong union culture is currently one of the strongest countries for game dev on earthreally niggles the noodle >>747464503have you tried drinking a tall refreshing glass of ice water?
>>747463932I'm making my own game, and was just going to get some help off of some telegrams and upwork. would it really be better to look for people over in europe?
Fuck Space Marine. Just make more Darktide games.
>>747463932>>747464424>the highest profit margins in the entire industry>located in one of the most expensive parts of a city that's even more expensive than los angelesSkill issue.
>>747464527I've only tried drinking a tall refreshing glass of 100 proof vodka
>>747464501Probably because a lot of talent gravitates towards bigger economies and large cities. Outside of indie projects it's probably not viable to open a development studio in some town in the midwest.
>>747464602Valve's strength is that they stay small. They only have like 350 employees.
>>747464649(and that they lucked out into basically controlling game distribution on PC
>>747463932>If it takes [a big studio] five years to make a game,WOAH WOAH WOAH
>>747464424nobody lives in Flyoverville
>>747464649They're also not publically traded, it's still a private company. They have no fiduciary promise to get perpetually bigger each fiscal year. They do what they want, how they want, and decide what that happens to be.
>>747464672Less like "lucked out, more like they were the only ones who stuck with PC through 00s and early 10s when every other game corporation thought that PC would die and consoles would be the future.
>>747464574these games take like five years post-release to get good
Americans are a spent race, they cannot make anything good anymore.
>>747464672(and they dipped out of actual game dev as soon as costs started to rise)
>>747464602Are you retarded? They're a game distributor more than they are a game dev, and they practically have a monopoly.
>>747464817they have three live-service games in active development anon, thats a shitload of work for a 500 person studio
>>747464817i mean not quite true, they moved away from big box products but development on dota 2 stayed pretty active
>>747464675You don't need 2900 people to make a game
>>747463932Dodged the DEI bullet with that.
>>747463932Death to murrica, nobody needs you anymore you degenerate troons, Israeli cocksuckers and moloch worshippers.
>>747463932He's not wrong, especially when the dev studio is located in California due to as he states how high the salaries are I mean fuck a basic salary is $15 an hour, a fucking hour for a Mcdonalds worker. In Czech with a basic salary for a junior dev you're on less than $10 an hour, that's entry level. It will go up but that's starting rate, it's probably lower than that as well (Yes I know Czech has it's own currency I'm converting here). The point is that's salary alone and not including benefits, and all the other crap on top, then you've got compliance rates, energy cost.The U.S. and Canada are simply not attractive prospects when it comes to game development.Then you go into the politics bullshit which brings down productivity because you've got retarded DEI hires, or woke employees who decide to strike, or they want to argue and include something in your game that it was never intended and you simply don't get that amount of headache in Europe. I'm not saying it doesn't exist at all, but in the U.S. and Canada it's just beyond a joke, look at what happened with Blizzard and how the Woke retards took over there they accused the old guard of doing cubicle crawls and drinking during the day drinking breast milk from the shared kitchen, there were lawsuits people were fired lost their careers and the Woke retards took over.Only for it all to come out years later that it was all made up, none of that was real and it was a plot but those Woke types to take over once and for all at Blizzard. So yeah why in the ever loving fuck would you want to deal with any of that from the massive cost in monetary value for game development to the personnel issues, the U.S. and Canada need to get their collective shit together if they want to be in this industry in the coming future.
>>747464992Well, most of it. I think whoever the GW rep is demanded they make the Space Wolves DLC be a black guy on purpose.
>>747463932>people figuring out you can just say no to Cali retardation>tons of big companies already have>Hollywood has moved out>Game studios will be forced out between obscene costs and their own retardationKek, my state is finishedCan you fucking imagine making one of the most beautiful, huge coastal, pleasant weather, resource rich places in the world so unbearable people actually leave in masses? It's amazing, impressive even.
i don't know why would any company work in the us they have 0 talent and extremely expensive also for solo indie devs too, in my country i need to only sell 13k copies at $20 to fully retire at upper class lifestyle, 40k copies in something like thailand, and 70k copies to retire in europe, any indie dev would be completely fucking retarded to live in the us
>>747464992DEI is just as popular and required in Europe among the university educated people.
>>747465117Should make Californian zoning and construction into an actual capitalist free market so that the demand for cheaper housing and offices could actually be met, but it would make rich Californian boomers implode in pure rage.
>>747465117>Can you fucking imagine making one of the most beautiful, huge coastal, pleasant weather, resource rich places in the world so unbearable people actually leave in masses? It's amazing, impressive evenWhen you condense it like that, you're right. They made paradise unbearable.
>>747465246Well yeah, they filled it with Californians.
>>747465117Cannot wait for California to go the way of Detroit.
>>747465229A lot of game dev studios in Europe don't hire exclusively from University but from people who show competence.A degree isn't the automatic in for a lot of game studios that you think it is, you've got to prove you've an interest in said studio or game catalogue for that studio, show you know specifically the skillset they're looking for. There is weirdly still a lot more merit based hiring in European game studios than in the U.S. when it traditionally was reversed. It's a lot harder to get hired in European game studios based solely on having the 'right politics'.
>>747465246https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j_1Z3TiGVg
>>747464424Most of them are in Washington though.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Video_game_companies_based_in_Washington_(state)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Video_game_companies_based_in_California
>>747465537Washington manages to be even more insufferably progressive than California, so it's all the same problems magnified.
>>747465117>people actually leave in massesThat's the thing. The Californian rats are tainting other states with their soullessness.
>>747464306> I've heard that in Sweden (which is obviously a game dev hotbed right now) management isn't a position that's considered above the rest of the studio nearly as much as it is americaWorkplace culture is very different in Sweden, the hierarchy is much flatter. And there’s a bunch of laws to protect employees. It’s far from a perfect country, but at least workers aren’t treated like slaves
>>747465117>>747465245>make it illegal to build houses>import millions of illegal slave workers who take up resources while providing no real value beyond being servants for richfags>a house now costs a million dollars and people refuse to work for you unless you pay them enough to afford to not be homelessWhat did they expect? Tech hubs like the bay area and seattle are fine because tech profit margins are high enough for it to not be a problem and the talent can't be found anywhere else, but for something like entertainment it was never sustainable. High iq autistic programmer geniuses are rare, 3d artist grunt workers and code monkeys are not and there's no real reason to not just fuck off to somewhere else.
>>747465443Could also be the anthem for my country right now, they're building Housing Estates everywhere, even in 'Green Belt land' which is supposed to be places of unique beauty left untouched. It's tear inducing.
>>747465649My willingness to give the Sw*de any credit is directly proportional to their glacial work pace and seeming desire to make all the dumbest decisions possible when the core idea is already good.
>>747465589Debatable. The states they have been moving to for a decade(s) are still doing fine.The general truth is, people with half a brain, some money, and not currently hooked into the government corruption payout schemes, leave.That just leaves the corrupt, retards (me), and the poor.
>>747465537>>747465572Don't forget Canada, Montreal and Vancouver have a lot to answer for, many of the most 'progressive' political programmes and DEI initiatives originated from those places and filtered down to Seattle, Washington and then to California. Sweet Baby Inc and all those people are all originally from Canada
>>747464501That's just where many of the early tech companies started, and being in that area made it easier to find talent and do business. Or find work if you were looking for a job in that sector.Telecommuting, self-publishing, and high taxes are slowly changing that, but the big corporations adapt slowly.
>>747465664>Tech hubs like the bay areaThe larger bay area and tech hugs are doing fine. San Francisco is dying and COVID killed it (remote work, the second people suddenly realized they didn't need to live in that horrible city, they left for good).
>>747465802Yeah, and for film its because California was a developing state at the time which meant lots of free real estate to scoop up for stages, theaters, film studios as well as housing for performers and the people on the technical side of fimmaking.
>>747463932Yeah makes sense.
>>747465885The other part was Thomas Edison trying to make a monopoly on film at the time and bullying anyone trying to get into the market buying from him or just not buying at all. A lot of people said, "fuck that" and moved westward. Because it was a lot harder to demand people buy your shit if they were on the other side of the continent.
Space Marine 2 was ok, like a 6 or 7 out of 10. its success got carried hard by the 40k IP. The parry system is tiresome and breaks the flow of gameplay, the fury system from Space Marine 1 promoted aggressive gameplay a lot more
>>747463932>Sometimes I play these games – I won't mention the game – and I can just see the wasted moneyany guesses about what game he's referring to here?
>>747465840>San Francisco is dying and COVID killed itAs someone who was there in down town San Fran for GDC 2018, I'd say it's the meth heads and the stench of cracked out urine everywhere that killed it, not covid.
>>747465229Yes but space marine 2 was made in Russia which doesn't have that
>>747465649aren't they pretty bad when it comes to immigration though
>>747465717Ratclick / Darktide player?
>>747466114Also the pungent scent of human shit in the streets, because the cities local government is insanely stupid with its many decisions. Like giving out clean needles to druggies and expecting them to return said needles and not just throw them everywhere when done. Because why the fuck would you expect a drug addicted homeless person to have the level of responsibility to even do that?
>>747465965>like a 6 or 7 out of 10So one of the best Warhammer games ever made?
>>747466114Yeah that came first, but COVID was the final nail in the coffin. Basically you had all this shit (literally) but it took COVID to break people out of their stupor and assess their life and make changes.
>>747466174Among others, yes.
>>747465747I think Idaho is the perfect go-to example for Californian (attempted) gentrification
>>747463932>Russian company pays employees peanuts and forces them to live in russia to be employed>employees earn no residuals or bonusesGee I wonder how they make so much money.
>>747463932I thought it was just a meme at first, but going woke really did do irreparable damage to the US video game industry.
>>747466508>Usa robs everyone so the wages are high>Complains when companies outsource jobs to more competent and cheaper specialists
>>747466508It is nice that Americans have those things, but the price of it is that video games made in America need insanely unrealistic sales to pay for all that. A game made in America needs to sell like 4x the amount of game made in Central Europe to be worth making.
>>747463932>Space Marine 2 isn't wokeSpace Marines are all asian and black now fuck off.There's 4 white characters and literally everyone else is black and asian.
>>747466882I'm pretty sure wherever he lives, David Zemanski doesn't live in California because damn near all of his games never cost more than 20 bucks. Given all the tools people have to make games now, I'm surprised there aren't more garage based development teams.
>>747464574Darktide is the worst piece of shit I have ever played fuck you.>Start first level >Learn before going in that secret loot is pretty important>One faggot with paid DLC is just absolutely ripping through the level at light speed >Nobody can even get a kill because he is borderline cheating>Never get to hear any of the narrative because he's moving through triggers so fastFuck forced co-op and fuck you.
>>747466965Ultramarines are blavck if you want a white chapter imperial fists or blood angels
>>747464992Lies.Most of the british descended-from-a-white-emperor space marines are now all black and asian.
I feel like offices locations is also a problem. Every other studio has their office in LA, Santa Monica or San Francisco. No way the rent and shit like electricity and water are cheap there. You could probably finance a small to medium game with these expenses.And in a world of modern internet why don't more studios hire devs from small towns from other states? IIRC Banner Saga games were developed by people from all around the world working from home.
>>747466986I'm pretty sure he lives in Pennsylvania.
>>747467043You're full of shit and nobody with a brain is accepting that this many people with a british accent are not white.
>>747467086because people from non coastal cities are ever so slightly less likely to be massively progressive.that's the real reason. the idea of a republican working on a game is terrifying for the western game industry, they will gladly bankrupt themselves to ensure it never happens.
Yeah, and the dogshit balancing, bugs and ongoing issues shows.The ONLY reason this game succeeded was because 40k fans are fucking morons.
>>747466965Ultramarines, despite all the rome shit, is multicultural, which was bound to happen with them having "500 worlds". An ultramarine comic from like 20 years ago has them as a mix of black, white, brown, and yellow.
>>747463932>Guys it's not woke!>Showing an image that is hiding the faces>1 white man>1 black>1 asian>The first game was 3 white guys>in a franchise about british people>who are genetically modified to be more like a white emperor who they are descended from>It's not woke
>>747463932>shitmaris
>>747467226You're pushing a woke agenda that the first game did not have. The overwhelming majority of characters in this game are black and asian. Go fuck yourself.
>>747467293>You're pushing a woke agenda that the first game did not haveYou mean the one where a white guy falls to corruption and there's a competent woman?
>>747467226nigger what are you talking about? rome was supper multicultural
>>747464424>move to bumfucknowhere>get your studio harassed and bombed by crazy neonazis that brainwashed themself onlineYeah nah. This is a real thing btw. Industry is fleeing nazi shithole states in other countries because there is no money and lack of safety for the workers.
>>747467360Rome was the opposite of multicultural. It actively snuffed out other cultures and only accepted people if they converted to THEIR culture. The moment they started accepting foreigners en mass, you had a bunch of Germanics sacking the city and countryside.
>>747464602>unable to make anything worthwhile other than puzzle based shootersyep this will totally save the american gaming industry
>>747467371Come on now, anon. At least try to make it sound convincing.
>>747467337False equivalency.She needed men to save her and was also hot.Meanwhile the only female in Space Marine 2 is an ugly witch and literally every single space marine is not white.You have no legs to stand on trying to play Uno reverse you woke libtard piece of shit.
>>747467360multicultural is not multiracial.you retard.and even then, it was not even multiracial, it was a trade hub, and so people from the empire ended up going there, but they were still a tiny % of the over all pop.
>>747467506I mean, not defending that guy, but there's 2 female characters in Space Marine 2. The Pajeet Colonel of a Cadian regiment in the sector, and an Astropath that has to be executed as she gets possessed by the Chaos Lord who takes the time to taunt Titus and the Space Marines.
>>747463932>as Willits tells GamesIndustry.bizIf that refers to Tim Willits, then that sentence hold about as much reliability as a stockbrokers quarterly financial report
>>747467586If we wanna get technical about it, there's three.
>>747463932If it wasn't outsourced to India then they went to Romania or Bulgaria because they have very low salaries. This is the sole reason why developing in civilized countries is deemed too expensive.
>>747467360No it wasn't. It was a monoculture. It was multi-ethnic not multicultural. There is a very large difference. Roman culture, Roman law was the absolute authority, there was no tolerance for other cultures, they were completely wiped out and outlawed. Julius Caesar as an example conquered Gaul and the remaining people there within 100 years were 'Roman' and by that I mean they were completely practicing of Roman law, Roman culture, worshipping Roman Gods, their own laws, culture and worship of their own Gods was completely forbidden and outlawed. You have history completely wrong if you think the Roman Empire was multicultural. Why do you think that Roman monuments and I do mean Roman were in every single province they rule from Palmyra to the North of Briton. If it were multicultural then Rome would allow it's provinces to build their own monuments based on their own systems but they did not because after Rome conquered them, they did not exist anymore.
>>747467623Who the hell is the third? Wait, there was an inquisitor I completely forgot, wasn't there?
>>747467704No. It's the brain in the jar.
>>747463932Naw it was successful because it was one of the first games released when metacritic became super unreliable. That polish is wearing off now after people have to the realization all of it is still shit, TPTB just locked the internet down even further to maintain profits.
>>747467746Who the hell uses metacritic when buying a game?
>>747465787Its a shame Canada has such fucked politics and culture because it really is such a beautiful country. I would move there if it wasn't for the retarded government.
>>747467815The same retards that use metacritic to enforce their biases.
>>747467684>worship of their own Gods was completely forbidden and outlawedCompletely false. They mostly got absorbed into Roman religion. Only the most evil parts got outlawed, e.g. druids.
>make it in a third world country>they still make it woke as fuck because the shots are called from the USlame
>>747466161Work culture and immigration are separate things (or as separate as such things can be, it's all part of society). But basically, what happened was that the Middle East had that whole Arab Spring thing and that turned into a bunch of violent conflict and a bunch of people fled from there around 2015 or so. The swedish government at the time thought it'd be a great fucking idea to be morally upstanding and help these people out (not a bad thing in itself), so they put the word out that refugees were very welcome in Sweden and implemented policies to make it easier to come and stay in Sweden. What they didn't count on of course was that the Middle Easterners that did come were basically all young men (those with the means and ability to actually travel really fucking far). And that there would be A LOT of them. Like a fuckton more than expected. So shit went down, we had a minister crying on live TV because they had to restrict immigration and now a decade later we're still living with muslim gangs recruiting kids to bomb suburbs while the party who wanted to restrict immigration back in 2016 but lost in that election (and they wanted less restrictions than were eventually implemented) is now the country's second largest party and still gets called racist.
>>747463932Based, total American and Canadian developer death
>>747464203very redeemed saar
If you think throwing $20 to see the damn storyline once and still getting disgusted by even the singleplayer campaign being forced always-online makes for "successful" then you really got used to western industry standards
>>747468464thank you for the deep dive but as someone who lives in America its really funny to see the "far right nazi" party openly support gay marriage and trans dickcutting surgeries when over here even the democrats don't like you bringing that shit up because it actually does tank their popularity in nationwide elections.
>>747468814Oh, the Sweden Democrats aren't actually racist or "far right" at all, they just get called that because it's easier than meeting their actual arguments. By American standards they're pretty damn progressive. A lot of their actual policies that don't regard immigration are centre-left stuff. Sweden is just generally a left-leaning country (and has been for a very long time) and many Swedes like to think of themselves as very progressive.
>>747464602Not even the same thing.
>>747464639At this point I think that's not the case anymore. People can work online. And some are willing to travel. Opening a studio is possible in a smaller city now
>>747469067Yeah, you know thinking about it, outside of shitholes in African or South America the USA is a pretty right-leaning country. When it comes to western countries though I think Russia is slightly more right-wing, funnily enough. And most of Asia is still quite conservative, I'm pretty sure Japan might be the most progressive Asian country which is amusing.
>>747464602>just make a digital distribution front practically before everyone else and you'll be a gorillionaire bro!Let's not kid ourselves on where the overwhelming majority of Valve's profits come from. It sure as shit isn't from selling games that they made.
>>747466508>pays employees peanuts>forces them to live in russia to be employedWell, or you could say that you have Russian studio that pays its developers a good Russian salary. I doubt any of them would complain about being poor.
>>747464602Valve is literally hardly hiring any Americans these days. It's literally all Europeans, Asians, and Russians.
>>747469067Same here in Finland. Even the most extreme of our "far right" still aims to preserve the framework social democrat welfare state despite supporting reforms and cuts to it.
Yep if a game is made in USA you know it's going to be gay woke shit
>>747467226It makes no sense lore wise, the gene seed makes the subject look more like their primarch gene father, they would bound to have candidates from all races yes but a black guy would still end up looking more like Dorn. You could take the whitest guy in the universe and he would end up having obsidian skin if he was implanted with Salamander gene seed.
Such a shit game. Way too short. Ranged weapons are generally low impact.
the USA have reached terminal muttification, it affects everything, just look at the country and people there
>>747469316I'll explain this to you because it's how most countries want to operate. Almost every country, their population wants these things, welfare, a social structure, look after their elderly, their young, they want something there if they are out of work and want healthcare. What they don't want is their country to be flooded with third world men who rape and murder, coming from war torn countries they have war torn mind sets they aren't coming to build they are coming to destroy. That's what people in these countries in Europe and elsewhere don't want, they just want their borders secure and a future for their own children. They've been labelled 'far-right racist' for not wanting to be raped and murdered and this is why things are so retarded now, because the simple want of not wanting to be raped by a Middle Easterner who has been at war for ten years doing heinous shit there or an African with hiv is seen as 'extreme'.
>>747463932Just say that Space Marine 2 was successful because it was developed in European Union
>>747470057Uh-oh.
>>747463932>games can't be developed profitably without third-world slave laborGrim.
>>747464437>In Sweden, every worker must have a union available to them, by law.Patently false. Föreningsrätten (Rights of Association) is enshrined in the law Medbestämmandelagen §7-9, but it does not require there to be a "union available by law" for every worker. It allows for the workers, and the employers, to organize themselves without hostile interference from the opposing party (and makes it so you need to prevent your members from interfering with the rights ot the opposing parties to do the same), but you won't have a union available to you if no one has organized one, and if your employer hasn't signed a collective agreement the union holds very little power in your workplace. The Swedish video game industry doesn't have a specific union that only organizes software developers, the closest one being Unionen (The Union), who organizes most white collar work without really specializing in any specific field of white collar work. Whether or not people in the video game sector are actually in a union I can not say for certain, and looking at a studio like Arrowhead for example it seems like it's company culture is born less from the active work of a union and more from the fact it was a startup by a bunch of friends from university.>tl;dr no, you do not get a union for free by law, but under the current law anyone can organize a union whenever they want>t. swede that's actively involved with the unions
>>747469646>makes them look more like there fatheronly a very select few gene seed outright changes your skin color, and in those cases they are considered mutations not features, and more often than not those changes are very subtle such as making your face look a bit more like said primarch and even then only slightly (Horus Aximon who did look like Horus was considered a massive outlier among the legion for that to the point some thought he was just a clone which should give you an idea of how rare it is), the only legion where looking like your primarch being somewhat common is the Alpha legion, and even then a good portion of that is due to the fact they employ surgery just to fuck with people, then use surgery to make you look like somebody not Alpharius since having everybody look like him will just make it harder to infiltrate other space marine legions
>>747463932I don't get why this game is even successful at all. It's worse than the original in every way.
Microsoft caused all this trying to outspend Sony. Now we’re left with a bloated industry that’ll probably need at least 4 years to stabilize
>>747463932Is this game just campaign slop or does it actually have some fun coop mode? What is the coop?
>>747470663You have a full co-op campaign and two other modes: Operations, where you play through set scenarios that are slightly randomized every time, and Siege mode, where you fight in an arena against increasingly more powerful waves of enemies. The Operations mode has seen a steady increase of free content released over the two years the game has been live (there are now more than double the amount of scenarios on launch if I remember right), and the Siege mode is getting a facelift in the next major update.
>>747470663>>747470926The game is also fully supported with mods that people have made, opened up the game allowing 12 player co-op, more classes, more weapons, more scenarios and armour/ gear. You can mod in Custodes as an example, here's my lad taking down a Carnifex.
>see space marine 2 is on sale>thought the first one was ok so figure i might check it out>look at the dlc list>its literally cosmetic packs for a multiplayer mode i have no interest in and its nothing but different colored space marinesah, so this is how they are so successful, they are milking retards.People who like space marines are the worst 40k fans
>>747464602It wasn't that expensive a locale when they started.
>>747471379You don't have to buy the cosmetic packs, they're completely optional. There's still a huge selection of chapters and designs that aren't required to be bought through dlc but you earn in game. Look I know people like you just want to shit on everything and get that instant dopamine reaction, but that's not how it is at all.They have released free Operations missions, and modes, they could have charged for them if they were completely soulless and wanting to milk the game, they're still releasing free updates and next month there's two more modes they're releasing for free Crucible and Chaos Siege.
>>747466508Wait, paying Saber kills ukrainians? BRB buying all the DLC.
>>747470057In your dreams. The only thing globohomo EUSSR produces is misery.
>>747466508They should have taken the Ukrainian method and just fired the dev team when the game passed gold.
>>747472014That's the what the entire western industry does.
>>747471745How did you reach that conclusion?
>>747464858>in active development I mean.....technically yes....
>>747472072GSC truly was ahead of it's time, then.
>>747463932This is happening across all American industries not just videogames. Investors are calling the shots, those investors do not give a fuck about the product. They want to take talent from everywhere and cram them together, not giving a shit if they have worked on that thing before or have any experience in it, they are "high value" workers so they will produce high value. This is something Americans dont get why people dont want to join them, their culture has become something akin to "to big to fail, youll lose your job before I lose mine". Greenland cited this when it was offered to join America, and they just pointed to how America would turn them all into goyslaves for billionaires to rape their countryside>dont you want money?!Yea not American money, not anymore. Videogames have gone the same way, the money is good, but if it was just about money youre not going to attract the right kind of talent, thats how you get legions of jeets who work under minimum wage just to tell people they are hard workers.
>>747472123Well it's the opposite of what the metro and stalker devs say right? It works both ways, surely.
>>747471705I saw them and i knew some people bought them and i got the ick.
>>747472190If they did it must be because they donated money.Is Russia poor enough that it relies on donations?
>"No guys, transferring production overseas will make our products cheaper for you all! This is a good thing!">"Huh? What do you mean you can't afford the products? Their cheap!">"What's that? You don't have a job because they moved production overseas?">"You're saying the job market is shit today because most industrialies moved production to other countries?">"And wages for the few remaining jobs around aren't keeping pace with inflation?">"...Gen Z must be behind all this."
>>747472247>i got the ick.You pussy.
based interactive
>>747473414>valid and relatively level-headed response>BROS THIS IS THE MOST INSANE THING I'VE EVER READhate people like this
>>747464424Flyover as perceived by people who like to go outside has no real attractions like a major city. You see some of these views changing like with studios that moved to Atlanta. But now politics is making this an uphill battle with red states viewed as cult member dens. Studios also don't want to build anything and rather just poach nearby talent.
>>747473689I dunno about anywhere else but utah is absolutely a cult state
>>747467403>only accepted people if they converted to THEIR culture.lmao the Roman empire was syncretization central. They didn't say "Isis is foreign heresy, crush the temple, purge the mind, EXTERMINATVS", they said "yooo Isis kinda Venus-coded?^^ xD" and subsumed colonial beliefs. Especially on a local level.Turns out, colony cattle is MUCH more docile if you largely let them keep believing in their mud gods AND give them a pathway to coming around to your foreign beliefs using syncretization as a bridge.Doesn't mean Rome valued every culture as equally special and beautiful, they were just pragmatic and tactical about integration. And although the norm was that Roman culture eventually drowned out local culture, terms like "Graeco-Roman" should clue you in on how often backflow happened and Roman culture changed instead.
>>747466986Its called indie games and they are booming on pc. Old fossil AAA are the ones eating themselves because of the need for 50 mill sales to break even.
>>747473414kek basedless women and indians with jobs the better
>>747470237trvth nvkethe tesla union shenanigans that happened recently are an example of some gaps in swedish unions, because so far people just kinda assumed unions are a given, but then an amerimutt corporation made its bed there and busted out all the usual union-busting moves. so, things could still be made much better
>>747466227that is just obese fish being full of the absolute biggest retards I've ever seen, to be fair. They're very good at what they do, but it's like they're simultaneously infected by a brain worm of some kind that forces them into making the *worst* decisions when it comes to anything non-gameplay in their gamesthat said, vt3 when? and hopefully with no sprintslop like in dt
>>747469291>It's literally all Europeans, Asians, and Russians.that's most software jobs, slavs and asians (NOT indians, chinks mostly) are basically half of any competent company's software teami work for a huge bank and I'd wager 70% of the senior+ technical staff are from eastern europe, 20% chinese and the rest various assorted europeans. The jeets are infesting things slowly but they're too incompetent so there's been less of these days kek
>>747464203The easy solution is remote but a lot of tech companies think going to the office to take zoom meetings is a good idea
>>747466965I find it very funny how he canonically dies offscreen because he lost Token Black Guy Highlander against the guy from the Secret Level animation.
>>747463932anon ahve you seen the studio Bungie recently had to lease off because they are in the red?the woke literally made these places adult daycares, their jobs are a sinecure.
>>747463932LOL
>>747463932That explains why it was basically Gears WH, just manly men doing chad things, like the old epics of heroic characters, not some san fran boy cuck being the doormat to everyone’s wishes
>>747464672Lucked out? They were on the ground floor dude. Say what you want about gabe, it’s basically clairvoyance
>>747465117>one of the most beautiful, huge coastal, pleasant weather, resource rich places in the world>literally the hottest place in the entire world, constant wildfires, horrible earthquakes What the fuck are you trying to humblebrag for, retard?
I think American studios really bought into this idea of prestigethat they have to hire the best engineers and art school graduates to make good gamesAnd they don't have much to show for itthey're mediocre in terms of both art and technology.Meanwhile, European and Japanese studios make much more impressive games with whatever resources they have, often with only a few really experienced people in senior positionsEventually, mid level people, from concept artists to technical staff, become good enough to lead projects themselves, and the cycle continues.
>>747463932Imagine how little you would have to pay Indian workers. India is the future of game development.
>>747478702Halo remake was outsourced to jeets and turned out so great.
>>747463932No shit, that's why the future is just having the slavs make everything for us. They work for bread and vodka.
They keep releasing flop after flop live service game>NuPainkiller >Toxic Commando >NuTurokThey can't talk shit, their management is stilll American garbage and Space Marine 2 is a mediocre live service piece of shit.
>>747466508Saber is American retard
just stick with Nintendo. PS and Xbone are toast.
>>747479328no tendie i don't think i will return to 720p 30 fps
>>747479272I don't think they carethey are like the next evolution of other sweatshop studios that churn out simulators
>>747463932It's facinating how much of a downgrade the primaris armor looks compared to the oroginal one.
>>747464437Americans wouldn't be so anti union if American unions weren't criminal cartels run by Jews to take a portion of the American worker's paycheck and do nothing to help.
>>747479574It's been flop after flop, cheap or not, they're wasting money on pozzed dogshit that's making no return. And with their terrible management now being focused on Space Marine 3, that game will also be an absolute turd. >>747480360That's all unions, not just American unions.When you see anti union socialists and communists, you know it's bad.
>>747480672>It's been flop after flop, cheap or not, they're wasting money on pozzed dogshit that's making no return.>Pozzed Baseless retardation
I don't like Ultramarines. They are the most boring chapter.
>>747480750Saber is woke as fuck, who do you think is publishing that Pajeeta Jurassic Park game with Sony cinematic multiplayer?
It's almost as if America is too brown.
>>747482868The USA went from the worlds sole superpower to a brown hellhole no different than Brazil.
Is this another episode of "IP owner forces woke shit but /v/ blames the devs"?
>>747463932It has nothing to do with America. Studios like square Enix make giant turds too. It's all about bloated budget rolls where mojang needs to go through 10 rounds of upper management to add one block to minecraft. It's massive companies like Nintendo shitting out the lowest common denominator games so easy a fetus could play it and so innofensive it make white bread look gourmet. Uts the moment something gains traction everyone dogpiles on it in a race to make the most generic ripoff they can.Tldr: jews and karens
>>747482868only right answer
>>747464437>a union looking out for workersLOL
>>747464602>owns a ground-floor monopoly who's profit strategy is "skim off the top of everyone else's work" and has put out like 1 game in 20 years
>>747464574Space Marine 2 is shit in its own ways but it's vastly superior to Darktide.
>>747484764>Trailblazes digital distribution while your competition neglects the platform entirelyMicrosoft is entirely to blame not Gabe
>>747464424How often do you find programmers/artists in flyovers? I think the issue is that the Midwest is full of blue collar workers and culture. You just won’t find anywhere near the same amount of people with the skill. Granted that would change eventually if more studios opened up there.
>>747464501California was actually an insanely nice, libertarian, tech and media powerhouse before Ronald Reagan legalized all the illegals there and turned it permanently blue. It's a testament to how fucking absolutely wealthy that state was in both physical infrastructure and human capital when it perma flipped to blue in the 1990s. It's taken almost 40 years for that state to actually become a shithole and near insolvency. That's how it works tho, Detroit took almost exactly 50 years from the riots in the 1960s to finally collapse into bankruptcy. It only survived because it was bailed out by the state and feds. Cali may or may not get that same bailout, but if the govt in power is smart, they'd force it to break up into smaller states given how catastrophically it's failed.
>>747484926>Expecting cool 40K vidya where I play as stoic cynical IG men like teased in the first trailer>Get quirky so funny mix of everything slop with stronk females>Repeat every issue from Vermintide and moreFuck Darktide, at least Space Marine 2, as shit as it is, plays itself straight.
>>747466508puccia isn't east europe. Its asiatic with its typical cleptocratic culture. Which makes developing hideously expensive with all the bureaucracy and bribery they have to shift through By east europe they usually mean places like poland, czechs,romania etc
>>747485097A ton of flyover states are comfy, I hope they never change and I hope both the West and East Coast of the USA get nuked.>t. Europoid
>>747485097This is a retarded take. You won't find em in Midwest because there is no industry to support them. It's like asking why you can't find millwrights or tool and die engineers on the west coast. There is no industry supporting that kind of labor. So yes the local culture and economy does affect the kind of trades and skills people in different regions learn, but it's stupid as hell to say you can't set up there and pull remote work etc.
>>747467035It's fascinating to me you still can't play solo. Also, trading fixed characters for customization was ABSOLUTELY not worth it. Vermintide characters are so much better it's not even funny.
>>747464527which games has sweden made?
>>747479968>oroginal oneTake your pick. I'm not even getting into helmet autism.
>>747485429Dustborn
>>747485171I don't even give a shit about the "diversity" so much as I just plainly dislike the characters in Darktide. The Rejects being generic is a tired talking point but I cannot stand any of the vox chatter in the game either, especially from that enginseer that talks like a retard. None of them ever have anything interesting to say and are constant noise. Muted it.
>>747463932>SnowRunner, which has made hundreds of millions of dollars, costs us $6 million to make.It's success wasn't only cause it was cheap to make.
>>747479968Seriously. The "firstborn" (aka. real) space marines are fucking awesome. These new primadonna downgrades are such shit in comparison. Like those half assed knockoffs you used to be able to buy from Etsy.
>>747485339That’s literally what I said. If more studios opened up there, it would change. But as it is now, if you put an ad for artists/software devs for a game, most responses will come from the east/west coast.
>>747485737>I don't give a shit about the diversity but the diversity writingThe proof is in the pudding anon
>>747485513Is Mark IV a retcon? Cause it looks just like a Primaris helmet.
>>747486850I'm aware. I'm just saying I hate the symptom independently from the cause too. Imagine if Vermintide had Lohner constantly nagging you throughout a mission.
>>747486947Primaris use the Mark 4 helmetPrimaris is a dogshit amalgamation of various previous armors. It's not even new stuff
>>747463932So if the enormous profit made by these European games aren't going to the employees who made them, where is it going?
>>747487242Amerishart publishers
>>747478527>that they have to hire the best engineers and art school graduates to make good gamesThat's broadly how it used to work and in some cases it still is - for example whenever Valve decides to take a break from swimming through their giant Scrooge McDuck pile of Steam money and actually release a video game. The single biggest problem with big American studios today is that they're so bloated and corporate that they can only produce the blandest, "safest" design-by-committee products you've ever seen because anything remotely different or novel gets sanded down by senior managers who don't want anything different or challenging because they want to make the most accessible wide-audience game ever because they want a gorillion sales and that's the only way they can think of achieving that goal.
>>747485778Who the fuck is buying this?
>>747486947They look the same in 2D front profile views, in reality they look quite different as the Mk.IV has a very pronounced triangular 'snout' while the Primaris helmet is completely flat-faced.
>>747463932Isn't Timmy Willits the guy that came in late to iD on doom and fucked over sandy petersen and American McGee fucking both of them over and pushing them out?
>>747487691Honestly I dislike the primaris helmet the most, the armor is fine to me. So I just have everyone wear beakie helms or this.
>>747478527>I think American studios really bought into this idea of prestigeLiterally the exact opposite happened. The AAA scene morphed into an assembly line staffed by an endless stream of disposable corporate slaves. Any concept of institutional skill and knowledge was intentionally stripped from the industry in favor of corporate "streamlining".
>>747465041It would be okay paying those US salaries if they were actually getting good talent but they aren't. Nobody that's any good at their discipline is going into AAA game development in the US. If they're any good they can earn 3-5x the pay doing literally anything else, and then just roll that into an indie studio or something. The reason games made in the west coast suck is because every person that would've been making games in the 90s is off working for adtech or other high paying trash work
>>747473414dishonest foids btfo
>>747484926Darktides combat is vastly superior. It's mechanically tighter and flows much better. Space marine is practically a sony triple a movie game in comparison.
>>747463932and soon AI will make everything more cheaper than the low life Indian, on one side mess Californian woke hands on the projects on the other... how regular people without jobs will be able to pay for future produ... I mean services?
>>747488764>Button mashing jankfest is far superior to button mashing polishEat shit
>>747489075>Reductionist argument
>>747487542Pretty much this.How is Genius McProgrammer and Michelangelo Buonarroti supposed to make a good game that looks great when there are 2000 jeets shitting up whatever they make to then get passed through 20 hr departments?Modern tripleA is fucked because even if the devs had talent and passion it would get strangled by red tape.
>>747483676What went wrong?
>>747488764You haven't played Space Marine 2.
>>747489651I bought it during the current sale and just finished the story
>>747488764Having played both, SM2 is superior. The combat flows better, you have more weapon options, the game looks better. They have a similar amount of content, but unless you hate space marines there's no reason to place darktide over it.
>>747489738Good job. Now actually play the game.
>>747463932>US company outsourcing work to country with cheaper labor costsMan who could have seen this coming? No reason to develop in the US as everyone uses similar engines and computers and it's not like we are better at making games(probably worse at this point) then anywhere else.
>>747489150Prove me wrong, there's about as much depth as SM2.The only "depth" Darktide has is it's chink tier RPG build system and it's a shitty slog more than anything fun. >>747489368>Having their institutions coopted by jews>Giving women the responsability of voting>Giving niggers rights>Legalizing immigration from non European countries in the 60s>Legalizing every illegal born in the USA in the 80s>Stomping on the free market with regulations to the point only a few megacorps can exist >Government being lobbied and owned by said megacorps>Cultural division pushed by marxist ideology>Being spread too thin all over the world in an attempt to keep global hegemony while the country rots from withinAfter 2007 it was clear that the USA was fucked.
>>747490048Oh yeah, almost forgot>Outsourcing every single industry to China and India and pushing useless nepobaby jobs at home>Being Israels lapdog since every market sector is owned by the tribe
>>747465097Space marines - sans a few notable mutations like blood angels - are meant to have the skin tone of tanned leather. However most space marine fans have never actually read their fluff and are not aware of this (source: creation pf a space marine 3ed edition codex). This gets brought up here and there as space marine skin will adapt to its environment to a degree but for some reason space marines being dark skinned is verboten all of a sudden despite being in the fluff for, y'know, 30 years.
>>747463932Probably the most based interview I've ever witnessed
>>747490318>Some obscure fluff nobody gives a shit about>Tanned leather is exclusively blackLeast disingenuous commie cocksucker.
>>747490480Nothing based about TimHe wastes less money on just as many flops
>>747487924Crusader Helm best helm.Got the 50 absolutes on all classes, except techmarine of course.I use it on every class.
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>>747484656The idea behind a union is sound, not everyone is captured by Jewish interests like AmericansAmerican unions have been ruined by Jews, just like they've ruined everything else
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>>747490735The Chud Bucket really is the best piece of cosmetic they've put in the game. I love it.
>>747485097There are plenty of programmers in the Midwest, they just work in "boring" industries like insurance and such. Even the most mundane companies usually need a few programmers. Source: I'm a programmer who lives in Ohio.
>>747490605>games smaller in scope carry less riskI can't fault him for that. Betting an entire studio on the success of a licensed movie game or some shit is ridiculous.
>>747464203There is zero reason why game development can't be 100% remote. Amerisharts want to keep on renting office buildings because they can monitor, control, and inconvenience their workers better
>>747490947Correct
>>747474552>that is just obese fish being full of the absolute biggest retards I've ever seenNot him, but no. That honor goes to the Payday devs. Swedish devs like Fatshark and Arrowhead frustrate me, but they at least didn't put out an absolute embarrassment like Payday 3. I wouldn't be surprised if Fatshark does fuck up that massively, but god I hope they don't.
>>747463932He omit the part what is was made specifically by Russians, they love WH40 and resonate with Space Marine theme very well imagining themselves as master race cleansing subhumans around them. I would randomly click on new games i find interesting and at least 30% of the time it will turn out of to be Russian made. The west is either cucks or marvel manchilds with retard woman tier opinions and writing or eastern shitholes like Poland spending their time unsuccessfully trying to prove they are not some eastern gypsy/mognoloids of the likes of Romania or the Ukraine over everything else, subtly emulation Germany at every step. Its a game wasteland so every half decent game will effortlessly propel itself to the top.
>>747485097The issue is always the salary. Someone putting away 15% of their salary for retirement will be miles ahead when their getting a west coast salary compared to a Iowa salary. Then they move to Iowa for retirement in their 50's and live like kings
Funding eurojank to "save costs" will backfire hilariously on Private Equity. And china will laugh at them for taking the bait.
>>747490048>Muh depthDepth isn't a factor here, darktides combat system is put together better. It works better. It feels better. Space marine is a movie game.
>>747492086Sorry, melee, shove, melee, shove is not deep.
>>747492427>Muh depthDepth isn't a factor here, darktides combat system is put together better. It works better. It feels better. Space marine is a movie game.
>>747492854>Space marine is a movie game.You obviously haven't played it. You have to actually choose to parry or dodge and health isn't handed out like candy.
>>747472179This America is culturally dead. From the poorest person to the richest everything revolves around money and nobody has any pride in their work they just want to do the bare minimum to get paid and go home and do drugs/send money back to their home country
>>747493157Yes I have. The default bind for parry is so stupid I just stick to dodging and guess what? There's no cool down for dodging or limit to it (unlike in darktide) so I can just spam dodge all day and marginalize every encounter. It's just Simon Says. Literal movie game.
>>747493428>The default bind for parry is so stupid I just stick to dodgingholy shit you are actually retarded, thanks for admitting it and saving me time.
>>747493615>No argumentI accept your concession.
It is free to spread propaganda on 4chan
>>747493428If you're the one who said you just finished the campaign, then no, you played the tutorial. But you sound like you've already made up your mind about the game so in the end you're just a faggot.
>>747494207I played some of the multiplayer too. I can spam dodge there as well.
>>747487669People who play it 10+ years and but a new season two times a year, don't be retarded, these are honest DLCs for the fans who love this product, not a purple armor for 1000$.
>>747493157I've put some time into it; I know people have put far more. Can do Hard Stratagems pretty easily every day/week.The game is STILL quite basic honestly. Almost a series of quicktime events, but this may be an unflattering way of putting it.I actually only play for the blue doritos now.Sniper with 2 second cloak is still "best" build though unfortunately.
>>747467371>Faith in Humanity: Restored
>>747491754>He omit the part what is was made specifically by Russians, they love WH40 and resonate with Space Marine theme very well imagining themselves as master race cleansing subhumans around them.People have no idea how deeply the Russian nationalist SF goes because almost all of it never got translated.
>>747494878SM2 is a bizarre game where the deeper you get in the more budget you can see. It's all kinda trudging along until the level where you get jetpacks. Then it becomes action movie with cutscenes, setpieces and cinematics-filled finale.
>>747494472>I can spam dodge there as well.And? You can do that in the Tide games too. The limit and cooldown before regenerating are so insignificant that you don't need to think about it after getting used to the rhythm, so much so that dodging on rhythm is exactly what you do in the game. Not that it's bad. Mindless headclicking is very therapeutic. But if that's your supposed to be your "gotcha" for SM2, then not only do you have a surface level understanding of SM2, then you also do for the Tide games and video games in general. In you mind, it's just "stamina limits are good" and no critical thinking can be found in it.
>>747496649It goes back even further than that.
>>747496649That's not nationalism, its regurgitating of the peasant theme of winning WW2 with a different twist. Some sort of endless variation "that time we won but everything is slightly different".
>>747489075>Button mashing jankfestSkill issue. You're the kind of shiter that cant land a headshot even at point blank and then switches to the recon lasgun
>>747464527>one of the strongest countries for game dev on earthTheir devs are notorious for creating buggy pieces of shit
>>747490909>the idea is goodYeah no shit retard. The IDEA of communism is great. Imagine a world where people work together and look out for each other. But THE REALITY is shit where whichever insane retard happens to be in control gulags everyone who asks why there's no food. Same shit with unions dumbass
>>747463932>Make mediocre shooter IP slop>*crickets*>Guys it's le anti woke it's based guys guys!>OMG TAKE MY MONEYThat's why it did so well.
>>747501317What culture war shit was involved with SM2? I'm genuinely asking. If anything it seems pro-woke with it's Burger King kids club squad
>>747464437>In Sweden, every worker must have a union available to them, by law.So CEOs have a union? As a salary man in USA if I had a union this whole shit would be cooked. It is literally better that I don't.
>>747501804Probably 40k in general
>>747467035Crybaby retard
>>747463932>"We cannot make our product without slave wages"Fascinating
>>747464203Someone needs to tell these smug Californians that you can get fancy ethnic food in Kansas or Idaho just as easily as San Francisco now. It is not 2002.
>>747467035I'll take shit that didn't happen for 300 alex
>>747502846You are a retard. The wages for labour in America are obscenely high which is why not even video games are profitable to make in America.
>>747464424Reminder that every time a coastal person talks about a "flyover" state, their idea of civilization is literally just how many places they can get drunk and stuff their faces. They never go to plays, symphonies, sporting events, museums etc because those are "tourist shit." To them society is being able to buy a $20 cocktail and have an Ethiopian restaurant down the street. That is "culture" to them.
>>747485097Every red state has a blue dot that everyone who is too smart/creative for their farm town flocks to.
Its not that the devs are American, its not even that they are all in Cali/Oregon. Its that every single AAA dev studio is located in cities with the highest cost of living and cost of real estate on the planet. They aren't setting up studios in modesto california that are empty dirt fields no one wants. They are renting out several floors of premium real estate in san fran or seattle.
>>747501804There are a hundred videos like these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU_vmFxGmGohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQzsS18E6echttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNyf6WC3j8gEven though Space Marine 2 is a shooter game (one of the most overdone genres) and it's based on a pre-existing IP grifters think it saved gaming somehow because a dev said in an interview that triple a games were le bad.
>>747463932Three reasons this game was so good:>Warhammer 40k brand>Marketing>Moviegame Single Player campaignThe actual gameplay for this game is absolutely awful, especially the PvP, the same as the first Space Marine. But it has a good narrative campaign set in a good brand and looks like sex while being marketed well.
honestly cant think of the last americuck game that was worth playing honestlyevery bit of media out of america for like a decade has been awful
>>747503493So telling people not to care about this shit is now considered political?
>>747463932Pokemangs games have like a $20m budget and make a billion dollars each
>>747463932The funny thing is that gamedev actually pays jack shit compared to other IT jobs. The industry benefits a lot from passion labor where people are willing to put up with shit pay and working conditions because they like games so much.But even then compared to other nations, America is dragged up by the finance system. America is through which all money in the West flows and within America it's all going through platform capitalists that sit in Sillicon Valley(with the big exception of Steam). Of course you'll be paying through your nose for people when they could just go to your neighbor that passively prints money or some AI startup to gamble on getting bought by Google, Apple, Nvidia, etc.>>747503457It's a vicious cycle that's screwing up every Western country. Companies don't want to go there because the workers aren't there, workers can't go there because the jobs aren't there. So everyone must go into the same few cities, rents explode, so salaries go up, so even more people come in from the outside.WFH could have helped us, but companies can't allow it because it gives workers too much mobility. If switching jobs is just changing the passwords you type into your PC each morning and people aren't exhausted from 1h+ commutes they might not tolerate quite as much bullshit from their boss and we just can't have that.
>>747469646>the gene seed makes the subject look more like their primarch gene fatherThat's never been a thing. Just go read Bloodquest, not a single Blood Angel looks alike, hell none of them are even blonde..I'm inclined to think a bunch of illiterate retards read that becoming a Blood Angel makes their skin flawless like Sanguinius and misinterpreted that as "arr rook like him".Hell, they so do not end up looking like their primarch that Little Horus existing is a noteworthy thing.
>>747504439Warhammer fanboys don't "not care", they use the setting as a way to larp their chosen political ideology and think shilling for games workshop is how you save the west.
>>747503493>>747505160This, I'd go so far as to say the real thing these people are fans of are video game themed culture war drama incidents. They're the millennial/zoomer equivalent of your uncle who listened to Rush Limbaugh 20 years ago.
>>747502936Most of them aren't Californians, they're people who are FROM places like Kansas and Idaho and move to California to be devs. The one dev I know well, a tech designer at Treyarch on the CoD games, is from Ohio but lives and works in the LA area.
>>747463932>mina the hollower almost got canned because yacht games moved their offices to LA and started getting raped by the insane renting prices and increase salaries to accommodate for the higher cost of livingwhy the fuck is everyone in california, that place is dogshit stop working there
>>747464437Swigger here close relative is boss at jewnionen (largest union for corposcum) and that's just not true. I've heard plenty of horror stories about software companies that lack kollektivavtal and treat their workers like fucking slaves
>>747505795Dunno about smaller studios like Mina the Hollower's, but for the types that make AAA games its closer to talent so they don't have to sweet talk and schmooze to fly them over for mocap sessions.Also the weather is great all year long, kinda like Florida, but without the occasional hurricane interrupting enjoying a day out.
>>747463932Space Marine 2 devs are slow, retarded, stubborn and hate their remaining playerbase.They're not exactly a shining beacon they present themselves with.
>>747505160But did the devs do that? Or did they tell people they don't care about that stuff?
>>747507343Why is their game so popular then?
>>747507769Because its 40k, people want to play dress up Space Marines.
Aren't the devs like 80% Russian?Where the studio is located is irrelevant, what matters is that it's made by normal T level, overwhelming Slavic males.Were it to be made by western faggots the game'd be shit.
>>747485429a few studios based in Sweden>Landfall, half of the team for PEAK>Fatshark, ratclick>DICE, Battlefield>Frictional, Amnesia, SOMA, etc>Embark, Finals, Arc Raiders>arrowhead, Helldivers 2>those guys that made REPO>paradox, the grand strategy guys>hazelight, the team for it takes two>apparently remedy has a studio there working on control 2honestly man if you look at a recent friendslop game or live service success good chance it came out of sweden. for a country that people seemed to love making fun of over politics they're currently beating our ass to death on successful game releases
>>747480360>>747480672American corporations have spent billions of dollars propagandizing against unions so that they could get rid of well-paid American workers and replace them with poverty wage immigrants. Yeah, there have been a few like the Teamsters in the '60s who were sketchy as fuck, but most have been nothing but a net positive for workers. I'm a union aerospace machinist and make $68 an hour for a job that pays less then $40 at non-union shops, and I didn't have to beg or fight for raises to get there. My dad was in one of the rare white collar unions and they took the fight to companies when they tried to stiff him on pay, and he's still got health insurance and a pension after retirement because of the union. Dues for both of us have always been pennies on the dollar compared to how much more we make than non-union people and neither of us have ever had any kind of trouble with the union either. Mine is also really easy to get into, since it's a field with a shortage of qualified people, you basically just need to have the experience for the job and the ability to pass background and drug tests.
>>747464501easy JEWWOOD
>>747508395Unions suck ass, man. Any worker protection can be organized by the workers themselves and not middle men.
>>747465117Your state its so inflamable i can burn your house with a cigarette
>>747508281also I'm aware that a lot of people aren't satisfied with some of the live service games listed feeling they're either buggy or their content pace is too slow and I wonder how much of that is them having a healthier work culture.Like Embark with Arc Raiders just straight up said "We can't match the pace of something like Fortnite, if you want to abandon the game and come back when there's content- that's fine" which I can't see a large american studio ever doing. Respawn for example killed a bunch of their other projects to feed Apex's content pace.
>>747464696I am still upset about dodge vs ford motor co
>>747508513That's stupid. Greedy corporations can just fire/transfer out whatever employee your ragtag bunch appointed to be the equivalent of a union rep and then you'd be up shit creek.
>>747508879What do you think unions do when they take over an area?
>>747508971Not get fired by the company you work for, that's for sure.
>>747508879I can understand disliking unions, they're still a hierarchy and they're plenty capable of being corrupt and stomping on the little guy but corporations do that anyway and to a greater extent without their opposition. What xbox did to trim the fat, casually giving 10-year veterans the boot right after putting them through crunch while microsoft execs walked off with multi-million dollar pay increases- it's retarded
i've never played a european game worth remembering except arx fatalis and most japanese games are trash. all europeans do is make state subsidized rogueshite garbage. their games have no soul
>>747509302t. shitskin americuck
>>747469646This is archwarhammer fanfiction btwIf it was true than every space wolf, ultramarine, dark and blood angel would be blonde
why do we continue to allow these annoying turd worlders onto our internet and our websites? these subhumans don't know how to behave properly. even in online games europeans are completely autistic cowards. i don't think these people are quite human
>>747464501Ironically because it was cheaper than NY/east coast a hundred years ago.
>>747503493fwiw i like space marine 2 because i think the gameplay is genuinely trying to iterate a little bit. space marine 1 was raw power fantasy "click bad man and they explode and sometimes mash melee when the fodder shows up" and space marine 2 is a lot more intentional and combat dance-y. this actually annoys a lot of people and they haven't reflexively "fixed" it.the CEO performatively going like "yea we're not like those woke studios" is retarded though
>>747505557They could just as easily move to their state's blue dot and live the life they want
>>747464424It's managers who want to keep the buildings and force people to return to the office. There is no good reason to not allow remote work. Other than some stupid tax laws about only allowing it in states you have offices in but literally just rent a corner office in a mini-mall. There's probably better ways around that anyways.
>>747496649Personally I like the ones where the soviet army takes control of the Galactic Empire or where they make the orcs of Mordor into misunderstood undersogs
>>747467360but were they breakfast and dinner multicultural?
>>747508513>Any worker protection can be organized by the workers themselvesThat's literally what a union is. It just turns out that dealing with huge companies on a national level is a full-time job so you end up having to have specific staff for it but most of the actual union stuff you deal with as a worker is a "local" that's just for your area or even one factory and the people there are from the industry and sometimes even doing it part time while having normal jobs. Also, the leftists haven't turned on unions because unions are so bad, they hate unions now because unions protect existing workers and so they oppose shit like replacing white employees with DEI hires, they defend employees from baseless trumped up HR witch hunts, etc. They're also largely associated with blue collar work and leftists hate real jobs.
>>747509809Unless game companies don't exist in said blue dot. Unending leaks make game companies more and more hesitant to contracting remote work.
>>747509021That's not true though. I've seen shops where the owner agreed to unionize and the first thing the union does is fire all the workers.
>>747507769It's a passable game in a popular ipWe've all seen how well star wars games sell even if they're made poorly
>>747510103>illiterate retardI'm saying that the company can't fire the union.
>>747509979Yeah, union officials that make 300 grand sitting in an office are just like a pipefitter doing actual work in the field.
>>747509809The jobs aren't there though, and like another anon said there's a catch-22 where they can't move the company without a good supply of employees but there can't be a good supply of employees without the company. Those transplants are also bizarrely obsessed with California, in a way I've never understood as an LA native who left as soon as I could.
>>747464424>>747464203>muh CaliforniaIt is everywhere.
>>747510203Those officials are a tiny handful of people at the national level and don't even exist in a lot of unions. The ones involved with locals are a different story. I said in my first post that some unions are corrupt too, but that doesn't mean it's all or even most of them like people have been convinced.
>>747468765Not India they mean slavs and Asians (not of the Indian subcontinent)
>>747510586You gotta understand anon, your average /v/tard only understands the world in outdated stereotypes.
>>747491407Tbf they buy them also for the management structure plus also so they have a place for proper meetings and a place to show of work to investors or leadership
>>747464602They are a game distributor and rarely burn money on large projects anymore
>>747463932BasedSM2 is already rife with problems with balance but it's generally a fun game to play.I can EASILY imagine it being worse off if fucking americans had their hands on it.
>>747510828The teacher's union isn't the most corrupt piece of shit waste of money today? That's an outdated stereotype?
>>747463932>You don't need to spend $150 million to make a billion."Yeah, if you have one of the most valuable IPs currently.
>>747491407>There is zero reason why game development can't be 100% remote.Security issues. It's a lot easier to root out who the leaker is in a building where tech support can access the logs of all the terminals to find who's been fucking up and downloading/uploading shit they shouldn't be.
>>747488764Darktide is actually fucking difficult, I appreciate it more for actually keeping track of buffs, debuffs, status inflictions, disables, and a whole host other shit.SM2 is incredibly simple, I can carry the highest difficulty content in the game pretty reliably but I'm pretty much stuck at Havoc 30 in Darktide.I love both games and they scratch a different itch. I'm just glad I have fucking 40k games to play.>>747489760I wish melee in SM2 wasn't primarily waiting for the enemy to attack first so I can perfect parry for gunstrike damage or perfect block to do an AS-buffed hit. It's also so passive while your actual swings don't tend to do jackshit unless you're running a chainsword or power sword.
>>747511113My general observation about unions>Represents an entire industryusually shit>Represents people in a specific trade/set of trades at one company or a local areausually legit
>>747511161I'm still mad that someone went on pornhub on my terminal at the office once.
>>747511575Oh yeah, and I'll also add that skilled technical trade unions are usually better than others. You never hear about IBEW or metalworking unions or any of those pulling the kind of shit that happens with either the more labor-oriented unions like the teamsters and longshoremen or the non-technical white collar ones like the the teachers' unions. (In the latter case a lot of the bullshit probably comes down to being dominated by women too.)
PATCH 15 WHEN I need Chaos siege mode
>>747512675October 1st
>>747465787California was always an ancient source of woke bullshittery by virtue of having hollyweird.
>>747478416>literally the hottest place in the entire world, constant wildfires, horrible earthquakesOnly the wildfires is true, and that is a man made issue as well. California is huge and has a huge variety of temperatures/climates, from deserts to redwood forests, mountains and vallyes.. Most of the population lives near the coast which is quite temperate to cool year round.I am not humble-bragging, I am stating facts. The weather and beach is straight up awesome.
Should I reinstall? Haven't played since the first operations update. Hopefully SM3 will have even bigger setpiece battles happening on the background.
>>747511113Private unions *can* be good.All public unions are inherently bullshit and should never exist.
>>747514494I think he's right about the hottest place but only technically, since it's in Death Valley and has basically no bearing on the rest of the state. I'll dispute the general weather thing with you though, not that many people actually get to live in the cool coastal regions. The majority of the greater LA area - the valleys, the IE, most of OC, etc. - is brutally hot a lot of the summer, same for San Jose and other parts of the Bay outside SF proper, Sacramento, etc. I grew up in the San Fernando Valley and that shit was miserable for a whole lot of reasons, but especially the weather, now I live in the Oregon high desert where summer is mostly around 80 and winter is just cold enough to get some snow and it's fucking paradise to me. What makes it worse for game devs is that a lot of them work in Santa Monica etc. but can't come close to affording to live there on their salaries so they end up having to live in Northridge or some shit and spend 2 hours fighting traffic on the 405 to make it 20 miles to work every day and then have to leave the 78 degree weather at work and have to go back to 108 degree hell at home.
>>747515326>I think he's right about the hottest place but only technically, since it's in Death Valley and has basically no bearing on the rest of the state.Yeah exactly.>I'll dispute the general weather thing with you though, not that many people actually get to live in the cool coastal regions.I mean we get hot summers more interior sure but it's still usually cooler and nicer than most of the US so no, it's really not an accurate thing to call California "hot". That anon just has no understanding of the state. We also usually don't get the humidity that something like the east coast gets. And no bugs too in the south, so nice. It is warmer literally since we don't have winters of note, but that just leaves you with very pleasant weather and never dealing with ice or snow. >trafficYeah anything involving near LA or San Fran, you are gonna have a bad time.
>>747465649I'm swedish and work in an american company and you can feel the difference in how we treat managers when we interact with our american colleagues
>>747515118>first operations updateHierophant mission?Since then they've added>6 more missions>Prestige ranks and perks>Block Weapons becoming a different way to engage in melee>Power Axe >3 sidearms>Tyranids have the Biovore extremis spawn>Chaos have the Tzaangor Enlightened and Chaos Spawn majoris, and Sorcerer in Terminator Armor as a boss spawn>2 more difficulties past Ruthless which was the hardest on launch but it is difficulty 4 while we now have difficulty 5 and 6>Heroic Rarity weapons which vary between sidegrades to upgrades to Relic weapons>Stratagem mode which add conditions to existing missions>Techmarine class
Oh and we'll be getting a One-handed Thunder Hammer in October as well as another class next year.
>>747485513They all look lame and gay compared to the ThunderCHAD
>game is on sale>Still costs $54 for the "full" versionI don't really wanna buy it on principle alone even though I'm somewhat interested
>>747516179The DLC is ENTIRELY cosmetic.So it's really up to you how fucking blinged out you want your marines to look.I admittedly bought like 80% of the DLC myself
>>747480672>When you see anti union socialists and communists, you know it's bad.from my understanding unions are inherently not communist, something about unions being special interest groups for their workers or something. like in a communist state, imagine if the dockworkers union wants better working conditions. for communists, the state represents the will of the people and are the sword of communism on earth, so the selfish union is a bunch of reactionaries trying to sort of privatize the means of production, which belong to all and not just the specific workers that work there. According to communists, of course.
>>747473883I hope I don't sound too simple, but that first part of your post got a good laugh out me. Thanks man.
>>747464437We don't do THAT in America!
>>747473414>They used Abominable IntelligenceBurn the hereteks!
>>747463932bought this on recent sale lfor 50% offwhat am I in for?how woke is it?
>>747515969I only started playing recently and I just want to level up all the classes since I guess I need good shit to play siege modeIs everyone just grinding on PvP or what? I assume I'll just get my shit slapped because the grind puts me at a disadvantage
>>747517440>PVPThat's the least populated mode, everyone's on PvE.Everything is standardized in PvP, PvE is where customization, weapon choice, perks, and all that matter.
>>747463932>"Sometimes I play these games – I won't mention the game – and I can just see the wasted money," Willits continues in the new interview. "I can see dollars falling out of the monitor.what game do you think he played?
>>747517360>how woke is it?No. Just go do space muhrine things
>>747517614Probably something like Concord, DA: Origins, or the new Wolverine game.
>>747473414kek
>>747463932>You now remember Witcher 3 was made by devs that were paid like $10k/year tops
>>747463932We've known this for years. California is actively detrimental to the success of any corporation headed there because of all the equality bullshit.
>>747517702>Master, would you like to have children?>Yes I think I would lolibot 2000, turn on you're artificial womb.>Yes master, let's have lots of babymaking sex tonight>Femoid: REEEEEE YOU CAN'T JUST DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AFTER JAMAL'S BABY OTHERWISE YOU'RE NOT A REAL MAN!! LOSER, INCEL!!>Just ignore her lolibot, real women are deprecated now.
>>747518409>set offspring option as WhiteGigaChadSpacemarinePrimarch_01
>>747463932This is why you see Polish and Chinese games pop up recently in numbers.
>>747517702I don't understand the point about abortion rights.Why would an artificial womb need to get an abortion? Surely a dude cumming inside of a robot and knocking it up is a good thing because he's done it with intent and it also means he hasn't knocked up some woman who's going to suddenly decide a month later that actually she'd rather put her baby in a blender?
>>747519205stop being antisemitic anonthink of moloch and the sacrifices promised to him
>>747464672>LuckIf you go and watch any of the conference/speeches by Gabe before 2010 you start picking up from the way he talks and thinks about things that this man is unironically a savant in a lot of things. Chief among them being the ability to lead a company. But the man was yapping about prediction markets being a thing back in fucking 2012. Gabe would be a billionaire yacht hoarder in every conceivable timeline.
>>747517360one of your squad mates is a black guy, the other is a happa guy.some will call pic related a girlboss but literally the first thing she does on screen is kneel out of respect and doesn't stand up until you tell her to.overall it feels like that tame, mid to late 2000s diversity when the characters still felt like actual characters instead of agenda mouthpieces.
>>747518409>>747518993>lolibot make sure to delete GigaChadSpacemarinePrimarch_XVI from downloaded database
>>747520029>it feels like that tame, mid to late 2000s diversity No it doesn't, Space Marine 1 had one IG Lt, for like a minute and that was it.
>>747508747about the only thing that gets me as angry as dodge vs ford ruling is FBI and ATF
>>747466965>There's 4 white characters and literally everyone else is black and asian.lmao by " everyone else" you mean the other 2 characters that take their helmets off?
>>747521069NTAI have no stake in the conversation but he's referring to the PvE mode characters where like 80% of the meat of the game is.7 squad members. 2 black, 2 asian, 2 white, ostensibly.
>Grimdark power fantasy made by Brits mostly inspired by Germanic Gothic >Rule of cool above all>Niggers, Asians, Women and PajeetsNo, propaganda through TV and Movies have brainfucked several generations of people, no more.
>>747467226>Ultramarines, despite all the rome shit, is multiculturalLol, that's one of the main factors that led to the fall of Rome.
>>747465885The inly reason Hollyjew exists at all is brcause of Edison's patent jewry. If hr hadn't been so jewish, studios never would have moved to the west coast
>>747470057The European continent, but not the European Union.
>>747470057The European Union is owned by American investors
Basedby, woke is what you came forGood games by SJWsAnd everyone is playing themCause they’re the games for you
>>747520029>>747520321>>747521270thanks for answering, refunded the game.I don't like playing nonwhite characters and I just saw the tank class was black
>>747522281Use your head before deciding to support these companies in the first place, next time.
>>747521536>spend decades jerking off Romance of the Three Kingdoms, Journey to the West, Shiva the destroyer, and the warring states era as being "cool shit">suddenly asians and jeets don't belong in "rule of cool" franchiseI'm not saying woke shit isn't stupid, but have some fucking consistency.
>>747511313I sort of like it that way. I like shooting being the main way you interact with the enemy with melee largely being for defense or locking down a priority target. Darktide and Vermintide's "mainly weedwhacking crowds and whipping out a gun to deal with problem elites" rubs me the wrong way.
>>747522503Maybe as an alien or an IG factionNot fucking Space Marines you disingenous cunt
>>747523226>Not fucking Space Marines you disingenous cuntHello tourist.
>>747523354xitter lingo won't save you faggot
>>747523498>tourist thinks twitter invented the word tourist after being BTFO about asian space marinesI accept your concession.
>>747521536>>747523226There have always been Asian Space Marines, the White Scars were Mongol-inspired with some other Asian influences from the beginning. (Or at least 2e lore, I'm not sure if they were in RT.)You're also glossing over the heavy Roman influences (most prominently the Ultramarines) as well as the Crimson Fists, who were the poster boy legion before the smurfs took that role (they were literally on the 1e rulebook cover) having a ton of Spanish/Latin names.
>>747464602>doesn't make games anymorev-victory...
>>747521536the point of warhammer is that you can make an imperial guard regiment of zulu warriors in loincloths with lasguns or a marine chapter in du-rags holding their bolters sideways. it's a kitchen sink franchise.
>>747463932It wasnt totally gay. Thats whole secret.
>>747519205It'd flip it on it's head because now the baby has rights. If one parent tried to off it they couldn't hide behind health or individual reasons. Then you have to drill into when life begins. You solve the woman's body issue but still gotta deal with all the other reasons people get one.
>>747463932Bought space marine one yesterday and finished it today. Cool game but very shot.Is space marine 2 just as short?
>>747525885>now the baby has rightsWhy? Because the owner of the womb doesn't? The exact same arguments about at what point the baby is considered a living being still apply, the baby isn't suddenly more of a living being because of the womb it's in.
>>747526108I don't know the exact comparison, but yes it is short.
>>747485513bigger is better, so mark 10
>>747521536That is an ugly as sin statue, who the hell greenlit that?
>>747526189hum. is the mp fun and populated at least?
>>747526228OH LORD SOMEBODY CALL THUH POHLEESE WE GOT AWSEELF A BEEGIT HAR
>>747526251Plenty of co-op content and stuff, yeah. Lot more hours wise than the campaign. My buddy who does lots of co-op games (vermintide, darktide, l4d, helldivers) has done lots of SMII co-op and says it's good.I only did a little, so I can't say much more than that.
>>747490318>Tanned leather>Here's the blackest sub Saharan African motherfucker on the ice planet with the incredibly pale faced motherfuckers.There is a point where it stops being believable.
>>747522503its almost as if different races are cool in their own unique ways and trying to combine them randomly is retarded
I want nemesor zahndrekh to randomly show up in SM3 to declare Titus a hero of the Necrontyr for helping fight off Nekrosor Ammentar and then immediately leave.
>>747526479alright. Ill give it a try
>>747526868I did really like the campaign. Short and sweet. Hope you like it.
>>747526589Hasn't stopped others like Fate or Record of Ragnarok or Drifters.
>>747526108space marine 2 is pretty different but it has way more content in co-op and stuff. campaign is fully playable co-op and you have a separate co-op campaignit's also a bit more structured than pure power fantasy, a lot of people complain that the bolters feel weak because the combat design is a bit more like halo where you have a lot of fodder weak to headshots and tanky "elites" who require concentrated fire to kill
Only blacked porn is made in the US
>>747527138I just played the first one and it doesn't sound too different. at least not different from the early levels with the weak orksalso is there a game I can plays as the orks? they were fucking funny in space marine.
>>747527276https://store.steampowered.com/app/1324530/Warhammer_40000_Shootas_Blood__Teef/Or Dawn of War 1. Or Dawn of War 4 whenever that comes out. There's an ork battle kar game. And then whenever Total War 40k comes out.
>>747526589I sort of enjoy the idea that during the DAoT there were some random Asian dudes or whatever that were so hardcore into larping as vikings that they moved to the viking planet and so on. Not even that farfetched considering how many people in the real world are obsessed with other people's cultures too, look at weebs or their Japanese westaboo mirror images, or Americans obsessed with Ancient Greece and Rome, and so on. A black White Scar's ancestors could've been the equivalent of those black dudes who are really obsessed with DBZ or whatever. (Also in a way it's inadvertently based that those racial differences still exist since it means that their cultures stayed racist enough that they didn't all interbreed themselves into homogeneity.)
>>747526153You do realize 90% of the argument exist because of religious people right? The same people who tried keep a woman in a coma alive despite her brain literally being watery mush. They don't need science. Anti-abortion point would be that the baby is it's own person (they believe life starts when sperm meets egg) and going to abort is killing an individual. This is what they argue now. Moving the sperm and egg into a baggy with a sign off sheet isn't going to change that.
>>747527702>rts games and a 2d shooterdifferent strokes for different folks and all that but I was hoping for a third person shooter. maybe some day.
>>747527702I won't list DoW4 as "one of the good ones" yet until it actually comes out and I get my hands on it. Until then it's an untested piece of technology that needs to be thoroughly scrutinized for at least a decade....like a true priest of Mars should.
>>747528357Yeah I was just mentioning it, I have no formed opinion yet.But it is supposed to have a full ork campaign so that's pretty signifcant. Same for total war 40k. >>747528304Yeah, no such thing. Yet. Certainly it will happen I think, but who knows when.
>>747467684No, the Roman empire mostly allowed other religions if they also prayed for protection of Roman state ( form of Celestial Insurance) and doesnt threaten stability.However Religions like Christianity and Judaism are dangerous because monotheism threatens the cultural stability and cohesion of the empire (as well as the celestial insurance)
>>747528176Okay? So you agree that artificial wombs aren't going to change abortion rights?
>>747528817The Ork game is a novel car combat game, when we currently have....0 of those coming out to really compete with it. It's okay, I kind of wish the wagons had more customization options to really hammer home the ramshackle nature of Ork teknology.
>>747521536Humanity numbers in gigatrillions in 40k, with far more biological diversity than in real life, naturally there's going to be a million different ethnicities present. Of all the complaints about ''woke'' or ''DEI'' in 40k, this is the one that has made least sense from the beginning.
>>747463932Game development will ever flow towards the poorest economies, especially with AI supplementing any technical skill they may lack. This is why everyone is complaining about India developing GTA 6. In a few short years, China and India will be the foremost developers of western video games.
oh boy time for my daily third worlder americans bad thread despite using an american website to make their shitposts daily
>>747463932>masculine knight\soldiers in the future killing aliensGee I don’t know. How could something like this succeed and something like Concord fail it’s a mystery.
>>747467035filtered lol
>>747530413China maybe, India needs to actually improve their game making 1st. Both need to improve really, being cheap doesn't work if you produce shit (see warcraft reforged and other botched remakes, quick flip projects that did not justify their cost).
>>747464203they gotta open some new studios in Ohio or North Dakota or something, cut down on costs
>>747530898We'll have to see how GTA 6 does. If it's good, then India will receive a lot of credit and izzat.
>>747530413>china>poor economyhasent been true for a decade, chinese game developers have salaries comparable to their western counterparts. You point about India is correct however. In the future, we could see north africa and MER come online at some point and replace India.
>>747531116>chinese game developers have salaries comparable to their western counterpartsSo you are in disagreement with the OP statement that American developer salaries are much higher than other parts of the world including China?
>>747531116Who the fuck knows how much of China's economy is real and not the party just inflating the numbers. I'm not inclined to believe people who will casually sell toxic baby food and horse meat disguised as beef on the international side of things and use garbage bin juice as oil because it's cheaper. It's like a whole nation that decided being even cheaper than jews was a good idea.
>>747531116Why are so many products then made in China and why can you order stuff crazy cheap from there compared to your local retail?
>>747531116Bullshit because even middle class Chinese are desperate to escape.
>>747531291>Who the fuck knows how much of China's economy is real and not the party just inflating the numbersThe part that's able to negotiate licensed western properties like Marvel Rivals is very real.
>>747531250the chinese software engineer matured out of being thirdies and their labor is too expensive relative to cost already, similar to american developers living in overpriced san Francisco bay area apartments.
>>747531417Now is that because it's real or because it's a potential market of about 3 billion you might be able to muscle in on?
>>747531596Both.
>>747531540I don't have any opinion on whether a Shanghai engineer can live a first world life on a $60k USD salary, nor about their quality of life compared to a Bay Area engineer on a $200k salary. We are not discussing this, but rather why games are better to develop in poorer countries with lower salaries. Given a market that has access to games developed anywhere in the world, it is cheaper to build a game in a lower cost economy than it is to build it in a higher cost economy as a game is a commodity not too different from a physical good you can buy made in China or India.
>>747531540Indian software engineer salaries are not too different from Chinese ones and oftentimes higher. Especially if employed by US companies. It's not unusual for an Indian salary to be $80k+, and more due to RSUs from US company stocks.
>>747464203True, California is a subhuman shithole that has unions or corporations that continuously push ridiculous wage alongside the government believing it can keep pulling tax money out of its population.
>>747531417Yeah so the corrupt people in suits while the average worker is still paid less and is why so many western companies keep moving their production there.....
>>747463932I can't tell if european devs are being paid US mcdonald wages or if literally every american dev was being paid 6 figures no matter how asinine their responsibilities were.
>>747466490Colorado is much worse. They succeeded there.
>>747533241Kinda both. The big US cities that have game studios have gotten so expensive (especially the CA ones) that people can't even afford to live within commuting distance of the office without a 6 figure salary, but Euro studios, especially Eastern Euro, also pay salaries that would be considered abysmal by any US standards. That's true of Japan too btw, real jobs that you need a degree for etc. pay like 40k a year.
>>747533241The former, most likely.>t. former server tech in the US making 36k annually (before taxes) before quitting.
>>747533801I live in Central Oregon and we've got a ton of Colorado refugees here, I've heard a lot of horror stories from them. Lots of Californians too but it seems to be the middle of the road ones, people who are too conservative for what Colorado has become but not conservative enough to be in Idaho.
>>747534174How does the rest of the state feel about Portland? I'm pretty sure Portland is one of the most progressive cities in the US
>>747533086Hey man, it's cheaper to install anti-suicide nets than hire new workers. Foxconn has a bottom line to worry about.
>>747536289>How does the rest of the state feel about Portland?Annual naked bike rides are both a curse and a treat.
>>747536289People I know who live in Portland like it a lot but they're also kooky
>>747536438I'd imagine so. You hope to see hot, fat bottomed girls on their bicycles and instead you get pop-pop with his raisins dangling just barely above the pavement.
>>747536621I mean, you see both in fairly equal measure, hence why I said that it's both a curse and a treat.
>>747463932North American game dev is a west coast socialist programme for liberal Arts students. There's no "talent", no "creative spark" and no drive; they just parrot the things they were taught in class while cashing Silicon Valley checks.
>>747464424Birds of a feather flock together. No one wants to move to Appleton, WI to join Bumfuck Games and then have to move across the country again if they get laid off or the studio shutters.>But remote work!No one wants to work for a company whose salaries are based on the Wisconsin economy. The want to live in the Wisconsin economy while getting paid based on the California economy.
>>747465747>DebatableAustin became an absolute shithole cause calcuk diaspora
>>747536775The influx of Commiefornians into Texas has put a lot of areas that were at least purple to solidly blue to the point that one of the most conservative states is at risk of being a flipper. Those fucks can't not ruin anywhere they move to.
>>747502846Not slave wages by Russian standards, blockhead. Different countries have different costs of living.
>>747464501resource rich coastal area
>>747536289Pretty negative in general. Even the liberal people I know dislike it because it dominates state politics so much that other areas get ignored, and they push statewide policies that only make sense for the Portland area and fuck everywhere else over.
>>747478527>that they have to hire the best engineers and art school graduates to make good gamesIf that was the case then 99% of videogame devs would be white or asian.
>>747536759I mean, if the alternative is no work, which is where its very likely heading in the next few years, is that really a preference they get to have? Beggars can't be choosers, after all.
>>747536874Say what you will about Florida, they have perfected the art of creating unpopular laws for the sake of gatekeeping liberals away, turning what was once a swing state into a solid red.
>>747464501The movie industry picked LA in its early days because it had good weather for filming, which mostly had to be done outdoors in bright daylight in those days, and there was lots of ranch and farmland that was close enough to major railroad stations for easy access but cheap enough to buy in large tracts and build film studios on. Once that industry was established there it drew other entertainment industries since there was a lot of crossover between them, and that's continued all the way up to modern times. Incidentally SoCal also used to be a big aviation hub for the same reasons, good weather for flying and cheap flat land they could buy and build big factories with their own runways etc. The Bay Area became big in game development and other new forms of entertainment because it was already a major tech hub, which in turn was because of the universities and government labs there.
>>747509961Dinner?
