>Games take a lot of time, and I probably just play maybe one game a year. I play my games by checking, but I have to think outside the box, and what's happening outside the game world is more important to me to incorporate into my game>Directors like Mamoru Oshii (Ghost In The Shell) or Katsushiro Otomo (Akira), the reason why they create their masterpieces is because they haven’t just watched anime. They have seen European films and wanted to put that in anime.If you cared about the medium, wouldn't you play video games in your own time simply because you enjoy playing them? It's strange to me that someone who doesn't play games would want to be a game director. If you don't even feel like playing your own game, then what's the point?
>>747473482I mean I’m also pretty busy, I’m lucky to get through a couple long games in a year at most
>>747473547He claims that he gets inspiration from everything but games.... despite making games.>I don’t play games so much. I watch movies, read books, meet people and go to museums, and I’m not copying anything from a game. And there are a lot of game creators just watching other games. We should think outside the box and be stimulated by things all around us, and that’s what creators are.
>>747473482We already know he watches games.
>>747473482>>747473639The reason modern media sucks is because everything is self-referential. People who make games only play games. People who make movies only watch movies. They don't go outside. They don't interact with the real world. They don't expand their worldview.
>>747473482>If you cared about the medium, wouldn't you play video games in your own time simply because you enjoy playing them? It's strange to me that someone who doesn't play games would want to be a game director.if you're too dumb to get it on your own you wouldn't get it even if someone explained it to you
>>747473824have you ever heard of a writer that doesn't read books?
bro why is he lying like this? there is no way hollywood is actually asking him to make movies that is literally his dream but he's saying in this interview that he refused all of them lmao
>>747473748OBJECTION! They use social media to interact with people!
>>747474885Because he is self aware and understand that making a movie is impossible for him. It takes more than wacky ideas and creative camera angles to make a movie
>>747473639and he's absolutely right. This is how games turned into a homogenized slop, everybody is copying everybody else.
>>747473482Akira is a complete nonsense movie with good animation and some cool designs from the manga. It barely has a fucking plot.
>>747473482BasedReal men don't waste thier time playing video games
>>747474885he is loyal to gamers
>>747475492Kojima is not and has never been self-aware. It's just that nobody in Hollywood is dumb enough to give him money. And soon nobody in the gaming industry will give him money either.
>>747475690this is retarded and assumes people playing games are only playing popular slop. If you care about the medium there is tons of weird/indie games that can serve as a ground of bouncing off other ideas. The reason games are are garbage is because devs don't care about the medium at all and aren't actually playing interesting games Kojima basically has just been doing the same third person shooter thing since mgs4 but he added delivery mechanics
>>747474885consultants have done a brand analysis and concluded that a film attached to kojima is worth $X and so he will be being offered either ideas to expand on or asked to pitch ideas to turn into a movie. he might be a movie director, but he is an IP creator and his name attached a story will mean a certain of level of actor will be attracted to it. he could definitely get a meeting in hollywood whenever he wanted and a project would get a preparatory amount of funds for idea development.
>>747473482Speaking as someone who’s created games and other creative projects in the past recreationally, when you’re involved in creative projects, that basically becomes your life for a while and you only really have time to squeeze in one or two games in your down time. And even then, you’re statistically more likely to replay games you’ve already played than buy new ones.
He's right.A gamer can make a Dark Souls or Elden Ring.But it took a non-gamer to make a Demon Souls in the first place.
>>747475492>It takes more than wacky ideas and creative camera angles to make a movieTell that to countless arthouse directors and experimental film makers who make films that have no plot and are just about the vibe.
>>747473639Getting inspiration from games to make games is like getting inspiration for cooking by eating shit
>>747473482https://youtube.com/watch?v=dg-qaeIcuyI
>>747476385As if his taste in movies in any better. He's watching fucking Marvelslop.
>>747476186i hate you
>>747476276This is retarded, you need both. You need to engage with whatever your creating AND look for outside perspective otherwise lessons that could be learned from either are lost. Demon Souls were created by a team that were explicitly told by someone else "We want Oblivion but japanese" and Half-Life were created by creators who asked "What if Quake but more realistic?"You can't learn from mistakes or successes if you never witness any and you can't come up with new ideas without having enough abstraction bandwidth built upon multiple points of view and experiences
Kojima is a mouthbreathing retard who thinks himself an artist.He simply had to stick to making campy action games with callbacks to 80-90s action films, thats a juvenile enough medium to mask his shortcomings, but instead he got high on the journos praise and developed a rockstar attitude even when his popularity hit rock bottom
>>747476276>Miyamoto actually prefers not to hire people who are "just" gamers; instead, he looks for candidates with other skills and interests.Where deos this say that he's explicitly hiring non gamers? He just wants people who like games that also enjoy other forms of media which is perfectly fine. The idea that you can make games without being interested in the medium is retarded, and this mentality allows tourists to flood the market with walking simulators.
>>747476231some of the most successful devs were people who made games they wanted to play because they love playing games
>>747473482He's 60+ years old. I'm sure he's played enough slop for one lifetime. Most games aren't worth playing. Just watching is enough. I don't need to play rollslop 34 and indie metroidvania 57.
>>747476385What retarded logic is that? Just because your food tastes like shit doesn't mean there aren't any cooks out there that make tasty dishes.
>>747473482>doesn't play his own gamesIt shows.
>>747474885>man i really really really want to make movies>brooo haha i'm constantly being contacted by top film producers to make movies for them>haha this has been literally my lifelong passion since childhood>but i refuse them haha>i'm totally a big deal in hollywood and everyone wants a piece of me but haha i'll just keep making dogshit video games instead
>>747473639He's right but for movies. Making a good game is completely different. Which makes sense since his games are pretty much (bad) movies nowadays.
>>747476483he watches literally everything
>>747473482he's just like me!
>>747473748Except the two directors he cites by name are complete shut-in Otaku on the level of Anno. Clearly that's not what his grievance is if he's so inspired by the man whose favourite passtime is doing radiant quests in Fallout 4.
name one game this year that is mandatory for jimbo to check out
The only reason you'd need to watch other movies as a movie director is innovative camerawork (basically doesn't happen anymore since all the big tricks were figured out by the 50s) or new technology being implemented (hasn't happened since zeroes). Meanwhile nevermind the technical innovations, gameplay innovations still happen all the time. And you know he knows it too, you think he just came up with all the crafting crap that began in PW randomly on his own? Or 4's fucking turret sequences? He was always an insincere trend chaser that tried to pretend he wasn't part and parcel of the industry.
>>747476276>while Nintendo is about experimentationWhat a crock of shit, they're all about trend chasing except the trends in question are ones five years out of date. Their big title this year is "let's do what Capcom have been doing for the past decade with Zelda".
As someone in the industry he should be playing recent releases to keep up.
Ah, so that's why his games are dogshit.
>>747478302kek
>>747478567Calling them "games" is highly charitable of you.
>>747476876/thread
>>747478302That's the sign of not having taste, braniac. Nobody in the movie industry is watching run-of-the-mill capeshit to learn something from it. He also just watches movies because it's what he loves doing, here he's trying to pass it off like it's his summer homework.
>>747473482>Games take a lot of time, and I probably just play maybe one game a yearsame, to be honest
>>747473482He is just like vee
>>747473482If you have a job/career and any sort of social/family life, this is normal. I mean unless you stream/cover video games for a living or something like that. Time is precious for the average adult and there are just too many other things to spend it on.I've only played one or two games a year since 2021. I just don't have the time for more than that.
>>747478976And yet you have the time to shitpost on a dying imageboard you lying faggot.
>>747478490>all the crafting crap that began in PW randomly on his own? Or 4's fucking turret sequences?Elaborate?
>>747479093Are you retarded? Posting on an imageboard takes literally seconds and be done from a phone at any moment during the day while doing anything. Comparing that to playing a video game is beyond stupid.
I barely play one game a year
No shit. He said he was surprised when he saw the weapon modification system in MGS5. Dude barely pays attention to what devs put into "his" games.
>>747473482>game dev doesn't play video gamesfirst time?
of course its important for creator to keep slop hygiene
>>747473482better than my 0 games per year
>>747473998Uh yea bro its called non fiction
>>747473482He's too busy watching Pekora play vidya instead of playing vidya himself.
>>747477682Yes, but when the time comes to actually make said game, they have to dedicate a lot of time to making it. At that point, at least for the duration of development, they become more of a game dev than a gamer.Creative projects are like raising a child: most of your free time will be spent raising them.
>>747473482I feel like the kind of people that measure their "gamer cred" on how many games they play in a year are the kind of people that say the industry is dying but refuse to touch indie games. Id only play one game a year too if all I played was AAA.
>>747480370>At that point, at least for the duration of development, they become more of a game dev than a gamer.
>>747473482/v/ doesnt play games already. If i were kojima and miyazaki i would be out there fucking hookers and traveling while retards online worship my "work", and not touch a single game.
>>747480590kek the only thing you'd accomplish is catching STDs like pokemon
>>747473748They dont, think outside the box....think about it. ...
>>747478404Except Anno didn't (only) watch anime.He like Tokusatsu the most.
>>747480590>/v/ doesnt play games already.You should post your recent activity on Steam before you make such a statement. The last game I played was Okami.
>>747480468I think being a fan of any medium requires you to consume some mediocre/bad works so you have a better understanding of what makes the good works good. Plus you’re a lot more likely to find hidden or underrated gems by expanding your scope beyond whatever critics and the masses tell you is good. So yeah, you’re right that people who only play current AAA games and critically acclaimed games are the reason the industry is in a bad spot. They remind me of filmbros who only watch films on IMdB’s top 100. Just pretentious and ignorant all around.
>>747473482>and he doesn't even play his own gamesThat's something he and I have in common. Kojima a hack
>>747473482Pretentious retard.
IF kojimbo wasn’t a hack he wouldn’t be watching every latest A24 slop and posting about it on social media and instead would be studying performance studies/contemporary theater to actually find some new ideas for his gamesgaming is way closer to performance than to films, which are closer to paintings than gamesif films, something like michael snow would give him way more ideas than collabing with insanely SHIT actors like daryl from the walking dead he should be talking to stan lai and not deltoro, who despite being a cool guy who does cool films, is as self referential as it gets
>>747475492ThisHe knows he doesn't have what it takes to make the kind of movie he would ideally want to make. He doesn't have the instincts or discipline of a successful filmmaker. He's that kind of movie lover enamoured by the allure of cinema in its own right, but his games show that he doesn't understand the craft of it. If he dipped his toe into movies and failed, which he knows he would, the humiliation would kill him. So he doesn't.>>747476312His ego won't let him settle for indie/arthouse fare. He wants to be a Hollywood director or nothing.
>>747480942I mean I would even point to stuff like Angry Joe and on the flip side of that, Synthetic Man etc. These people get vehemently mad at the industry, but they literally only play AAA and nothing else. They are the fucking problem, these people should not be talking about this shit with any authority. There is a concept of isolated creativity. Like, imagine someone without knowledge of something like Lord of the Rings and general fantasy, what kind of fantasy does that person make. This is the kind of thing as to why you see people who make very creative works actually indulging in very little creative stuff themselves, theyre actually using that limited grasp and understanding of the thing to fill in the blanks. Kojima loves old action movies, so instead of just looking at modern action movies and recreating things based on that, hes still using that "fill in the blanks" kind of creativity. Not to say hes some kind of genius, this is more creative out of a genuine ignorance of things than a deep understanding lol, but it involves actually being creative to do anything as you cant just fall back on tropes because you dont even know what the tropes are, if you fall on them its genuinely accidental.
>>747476276Meanwhile over at Sandfall>autistic dmc score attacking intensifies
>>747480557Wtf, why is he allowed to review his own game
>>747476276I don't think Miyazaki was a non-gamer but he's Gen X and didn't grow up playing games religiously with home consoles and PCs available from the time he was born (like millennials), is what I think you meant and what everyone else means in this sort of context. Kojima is the same, none of these people will ever be like anyone younger than 40 today in their mindset which is why they are able to escape the trap of recursive design.
Kojima always wanted to be a respected film director. Not many people know this, but Sony had to pay 200k to criterion so he could be "invited" to the criterion closet.
>>747481089>>747481152I think Kojima got lucky with Metal Gear because his influences for those games were decent 80’s action movies and war dramas, and the standards for video game storytelling were at rock bottom when he first became popular. I also don’t think he’s quite as much of a film buff as he thinks he is. His taste in movies is “boomer/Gen X dad”-tier, and he never really talks about movies outside the Hollywood creative bubble.IMO, the only good stories Kojima ever told were MGS2 and 3 (MGS1’s only compelling story beat was Snake being a cynic who had to learn to live, while the rest of the game is very canned “war bad” and “nukes bad” commentary) and I really get the impression that Fukushima may have had more to do with that.
>>747473482Did he not get utterly exposed when he thought he invented asymmetric gameplay mechanics and the interviewer went "well souls games already do that" and he responded with>uhh i am actually a very busy man so i wouldn't know
>>747473482Sony fucked up. They just can't stop fucking up. Do they think that because Microsoft is sinking too that they're immune?
>>747473482He's just channeling his inner Yu Suzuki.
>>747473639You say that like its a bad thing.
>>747481424This dude is the perfect poster boy for modern devs. Without saying whether his work is good or bad his entire world consists of only video games which is a very small and limited world. You can't expect someone like that to push boundaries. And it's funny because he does have the money for decent production quality unlike a ton of indie devs with potentially cool ideas, that's a rare gift being arguably squandered
>>747473482>If you don't even feel like playing your own game, then what's the point?Considering he already knows the plot inside and out and gameplay comes third at best in kojima games, I can see why actually playing the finished product would seem mildly pointless.
>>747481424>I played a LalafellI fucking kneel
>>747479164and scrolling through it and looking at responses. check yourself.
Eating has nothing to do with cooking, yet all great chefs eat good food.Reading has nothing to do with writing, yet all great writers read good books.Cinema has nothing to do with watching, yet all great directors watch good films.Kojima as usual forgets the profession he is in, he is not a computer scientist, the type that can just go for a walk and come back and have some revolutionary new paradigm. He is a game director. Him saying this is like Peter Molyneuxs saying he doesn't play games. That's just bad for everyone involved, hence the pattern with Kojima and Molyneux.
>>747476276What he's filtering out with this is ideafaggots btw, that's the point.
>>747481152>His ego won't let him settle for indie/arthouse fare. He wants to be a Hollywood director or nothing.Considering his connection with the likes of Léa Seydoux and Guillermo Del Toro, he could've started in the Europe/Cannes circle. But dude's so adamant about being with Hollywood for some reason.
>>747478289He's talked about this multiple times, but if you actually listen to what he says: he likes games more, and sees movies as something games can learn from."I will continue to create games as long as I live" - Hideo Kojima
>>747478289>man i wish i could've been a film director back before hollywood went to complete shitIt's not that complicated
>>747478289But his games aren't dogshit
>>747481945Lmao he does. Though at least he's not THAT out of touch.
>>747473748What is the reason Kojima's games suck, then?
>>747473482kojima is only involved in video games as a way to hang with z list celebs
>>747482082Like it or not, his first game was a tremendous success and fun to play. 'Muh push boundaries' is extreme nitpicking and a pointless obsession, games dont need to reinvent the wheel to be good.>that's a rare gift being arguably squanderedlol, lmao even
>>747473482It's not even that he plays a few games per year. It's more that you can tell he doesn't care about them. When I play a game by Itsuno or any other director that actually likes games, you can tell what their inspirations are (like how Itsuno basically made Dragon's Dogma Ultima/Wizardry but with ARPG combat inspired by DMC and an open world design straight from Oblivion/Morrowind and Fable or how he even incorporated the idea that the world is dynamic from playing GTA V's tendency towards chaos). Kojima's games come across as someone that actually wants to make a fucking movie but is stuck making a game. That's why post MGS3, anything he worked on that isn't Boktai is a lame pretentious not even half game that has no real weight to it. You can tell the people around him were the ones making Metal Gears 1-3 into a good playable game. Even Miyamoto's stance that gamers should have other hobbies than gaming ala >>747476276 is more reasonable (in fact, it makes perfect sense.) than being a retard that hates the medium you are working with and trying to make it something else. going back to Itsuno, DD is also inspired by a lot of 19th century Germanic drama and straight up philosophy, where the story is inspired by Goethe and the actual game has ideas that come from Mandeaism, Schopenhauer and Nietzche. Basically, what I'm saying is Kojima is a hack and people need to stop sucking his dick so much. Even though Sony is a shitty scummy company as of recent, cutting Kojima off of the money spigot will remain their one good decision from the past decade. Dude's high on his own farts yet he can't make anything worthwhile.>>747481424BASED BAGUETTE
>Team Silent takes inspiration from Jacob's Ladder and Solaris>Kojima takes inspiration from Escape from NY and The RockThe supposed cinephile who has the tastes of a teenage boy growing up in the 90s despite being an actual boomer
>>747473482too busy scanning feet of jewllywood celebs
>>747476186Realistic post. Hated by high estrogen incels driven by emotions.
>>747476231Why would anyone replay a game they've already beaten when there are so many games to choose from out there?
>>747473482Crazy how a lot of these Japanese developers turned out to be lying ass grifter. This mf never plays any game, probably someone hands him a controller for a game that does extremely well, plays for five minutes due to novelty and when he dies he hands the controller back and probably polite laughs.
>>747473482If you want to make something truly memorable then you need explore various different mediums for inspiration instead of sticking to the same shit that everyone is already familiar with. Of course while it is helpful to take notes from different mediums there's also nothing wrong with using games as an inspiration for gameplay mechanics or the plot. The problem is that many devs just stick to typical mainstream tastes when it comes to games and don't really go outside of their comfort zone so their games feel generic or uninspired. If you spend your entire life playing generic soulsslop and korean goonbait gachashit then that's all you're going to be able to make.>>747476276>But it took a non-gamer to make a Demon Souls in the first place.Miyazaki was inspired by Ico to get into game development in the first place so that's not exactly true.
>>747473482There are less than 1 games worth playing in an average year
>>747478404What's funny is that even if the creators of Akira and Ghost in the Shell were solely inspired by by European films as he claimed, then they'd still be engaging in the medium they're working on. A lot of the principles in filmmaking carry over to animation. Films and video games are fundamentally different, so he's only narrowing his scope by watching A24 films all the time.>>747483417Team Silent is a great example of a studio that knew how to use games to convey a story. They used the soundtrack, level design, creature design, and the puzzles to their advantage. Kojima just uses cutscenes and the occasional walking simulator segment. Remember the opening of MGSV that was ripped straight out of a Naughty Dog game?
>>747473482>My body is 75% movies, the other 20% is cooking up new grifts. Damn I wish I could count
>>747473482I fucking hate this faggot retard jewlywood wannabe
