Let me get this straight, Death Stranding (2019) sold well enough to greenlight both a sequel and a new IP (specifically one that invokes the spirit of metal gear and all that entails) from Kojima Productions, however the moment DS2 underperforms, Sony is willing to kick Kojima to the curb because the Metal Gear successor is missing deadlines and going over budget (a facet of every Metal Gear production and all that entailed). Did Sony not understand what they were commissioning?
Kojima will never release another game.
Sony interactive entertainment is headquartered in california and was founded in 2016.
>>747482137I am pretty sure OD will come next year
Sony hates Japan. That's the only explanation. They're willing to waste $400 million and $3.2 billion on Slop no one wants. But cancel a game people actually wants to play.
>>747482021More importantly they stated both games missed revenue targets, but refuse to release official budget numbers.
>>747482021If a company can't see how a project makes real money, it should cancel it. They have a responsibility to their shareholders and to employees who need paychecks to support their families. I don’t get why /v/ takes a business decision as some kind of personal insult.
Sony aren't in a position to fund projects like this because of decisions made elsewhere. I can understand not wanting to blow the budget and deadline out but when you've sunk literal billions of dollars into failed projects is it really the auteurs fault, especially when you know hes been overscoping since like the 90s? Would you not factor that into your supplied budget and expectations? Meanwhile they've thrown $350 million at wolverine, which needs to sell 6 million copies in a year or they lose the marvel license and have to pay them for the trouble. So when I think to myself about what game I would ship knowing it probably won't recover its dev costs you have:Auteur game that you can safely bet will get glowing reviews, be a killer exclusive during its most profitable years and rehabilitate your image as a device that actually plays video gamesORThrow it at a game that looks and plays exactly like the kind of stuff you already ship and has such an unrealistic budget and sales goals there is no path to success and you don't even get an exclusive that draws outsiders to your platformAnd the worst part is wolverine isn't even a good game, it's being panned online and looks so bizarrely generic and bland I can't even fathom how they spent the money. It's actively harming their brand. If you were about making safe bets to keep your brand alive I could respect that but maybe Sony needs to shut down their software division and focus purely on hardware because holy shit they are better off not making anything, to hell will exclusives, just spend the billions youre torching instead on selling more powerful/feature rich systems at a loss and win via being the platform of choice for third party developers. What does losing $150-$200 on every system matter if you're just going to lose it anyway?
>>747482205O.D. as a launch title for the next gen xbox sounds about right.
>>747482021Japanese Sony that published The Last Guardian, despite everything, invested in FromSoftware, they ried to add the industry some prestigue fleur doesn't exist anymore. nuSony would ditch Kojima immediately, but back then he knew people who still could pull strings for him
>>747482021Hulst and Druckmann feel threatened, because their own projects been leeching even more
>>747482021Investing in Kojima is not for the faint of heart. He demands 100% control over everything while spending money faster than any other creative profession in the entertainment industry.This is why he is La Creatividad
>>747482620Just wondering, what is Guerilla Games doing? If rumors about back to killzone is true, their service game was cancelled too
>>747482804>what is Guerilla Games doingDamage control.
>>747482021No, it has little to do with missed deadlines or sales and more to do with personality conflicts and mandates from management. Listen to what the happy merchant says in his latest video about it. Kojima joined PlayStation in a time where the leadership of the company looked entirely different, you had: Shuhei, Shawn Layden, Andrew House, etc. They were all good friends of Kojima, so they believed in his vision and funded it because they thought it would enrich PlayStation for his games to be a part of it. This was during the era where Sony had a great PR team who picked up Kojima when everyone was shitting on Konami for firing him, and they were massively successful for their cinematic singleplayer games which created a ton of positive sentiment from fans. DS1/2 were never outright failures. They sold modestly, but that's in comparison to something like COD. Sony don't give a shit about singleplayer games anymore. The new leadership are solely focused on creating a massive live service game. So the long and the short of it is: >Kojima got fired by Konami>Picked up by Sony almost instantly>Years fly by>Sony needs a live service game>Many members of Sony leave, Shuhei gets demoted, ends up leaving soon after>New leadership comes in>Doesn't see the need for singleplayer games, only wants "big live-service hits" like Concord, Horizon Hunter's Gathering and Marathon>Fires Kojima
>>747482982Lol, sure, it was Kojima who leaked money
>>747482021>Did Sony not understand what they were commissioning?Sony is not a monolith. Apparently they've kicked out most of higher ups that liked Kojima
>>747483156Death Stranding 2 is a failure. People are deluding themselves if they think otherwise. You can't make a game series where your sequel sells a small fraction of what your first game did while costing significantly more to make.
>>747482021>Both Strand-type games were financial failures>Kojima was busy jacking off wasting money on Hollywood faggots and big name actors from JapanSimple as. Kojima is a fucktard. I'd hate to be financing his work, he genuinely pisses money away good after bad.
>>747483704It's underperformed but it not a failure. It's risky to invest in ds3 but it's not like a franchise killer (tlou2)
>>747482021>kill discs>kill their own exclusives>the wolverine game suckedSony are headed for the grave.
>>747483917Intergalactic will finish it
Sony is also forgetting that the Hollywood movie, anime series and anime movie will drive Death Stranding Sales as well
>>747482021>Let me get this straight, Death Stranding (2019) sold well-There's your mistake
>>747483182They both did, Kojima is infamous for overspending
>>747484220It did, flopped games don't get money for sequel
>>747483704>Death Stranding 2 is a failureThe game came out last year and the PC port only came out this year. It took a while for the first game to see a profit too and the profits were driven heavily by other platforms. Sony just likely didn't want to publish a game which relies on other platforms to be successful, on top of the fact its not a live service game like Helldivers which will make them a ton of money. >You can't make a game series where your sequel sells a small fraction of what your first game did while costing significantly more to make.Except that's exactly what Sony did with Marathon, which had a budget which dwarfed the budget of Destiny 2 (which they killed). Yet they're still supporting it.And Bend.And Media Molecule.
>>747482021>According to Paul Tassi, Sony no longer working with Kojima on PHYSINT means Kojima Productions has reportedly lost access to Sony’s Decima engine.>Both Death Stranding games were built with Decima, a graphics engine considered one of the best and central to the look and tech of Kojima games. They will have to switch to UE or one of the engines Xbox has.lmao
>>747484492KWAB
>>747484343It's meaningles word, all games require more money. The real question can you deliver the game in time. And looks like Kojima was the fastest among snoys
>>747484418But it literally did. They probably gave him a second chance and DS2 did worse, thats why no PhyInt. You dont get 3 chances.
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>>747484428Terrible fucking examples because all of those studios got hit with fat layoffs. Can't do that with Kojima because Sony doesn't own the studio.Also supporting a game (that you promised to support for 10 years) is very different than getting a new game built. You think Bungie's in a position right now to pitch Marathon 2?
>>747485231Wrong-o, faggot. Most of DS and DS2 sales came from PC, which Sony does not get any money from. They lost money funding this washed fraud. They wanted a console exclusive that moved PS5s. Kojima did not deliver.
>>747485235>supporting a game (that you promised to support for 10 years) is very differentNever made a difference with Concord.
>>747485402Nobody is buying PS5s Sony should grow the fuck up. What do they even have demons souls slop? I pirated & emulated the PS3 version. Seriously why would anyone buy a ps5? It has nothing, literally NOTHING worth getting it for.
>>747482021>Death Stranding (2019) sold well enough to greenlight both a sequel and a new IP (specifically one that invokes the spirit of metal gear and all that entails) from Kojima Productions,And then people played Death Stranding and realized it didnt actually have anything of value, so the sequel bombed hard.
>>747485402Say it like it is: they funded Death Stranding on PS4, saw how well it did on PC under 505 Games, and then said "Yeah, we'll publish your next game on PC too!" Then when it underperformed (relative to its predecessor), they pulled out immediately. This doesn't look favorable to Sony. They knew Kojima games sell better on PC, but they only gave him once chance to deliver before cutting him off.
>>747485505>crying and seethingTake your own advice and grow up, faggot. I'm not wasting anymore time arguing with your retarded ass.
>>747484815No the real question is "Does the profit outweigh the cost"? Longer dev time puts profit at risk, but youre already shooting yourself in the foot if youre spending shit you dont need to. Kojima is bad at overseeing development, even if he is a creative fella with neat ideas. We saw it with MGSV where he overspent so much and was so slow that Konami had to sell the tutorial separately to recoup costs, pushed out the game with the final 3rd missing, and then left the Games industry for a decade. Kojima went to Sony, and overspent again with Death Stranding. Due to the novelty of his public divorce, DS still did okay, though was by no measure a big success thank to its huge bill. They gave him a second shot with DS2 and, now with the novelty gone, it bombed. Kojima is now with Xbox, he's still hiring Hollywood talent for no reason, is three years into OD's development and talking about "making research trips", and Sony ditched Phyint because, despite being so early in dev, its already overspent its budget and behind on its timeline. Kojima has made some of my favourite games ever. At first he was "the kooky dude who makes MGS games". But at some point (I wanna say around MGS4) he began getting a rep as this hyper intelligent Autor. Some fucking omegagenius who needs all the money in the world to craft his masterpieces. The dude just is not that. He spends all day reviewing Marvel films on twitter dot com and simping for C-list celebs. When he has restrictions and smart people around him, well he makes MGS3. When let loose and having his dick sucked? He crashes in slow motion.
>>747482021After Kojimas public execution by expedition 33 he has officially become irrelevant. Nobody likes a washed up formerly great loser. Kojimbo is dead.
>>747485231Kojima likes to like. The game did sell an impressive 4 million (including sales, etc).Shame it cost 150 MILLION DOLLARS TO MAKE
>>747482137That's his own fault. I'd actually prefer if he made shorter less expansive games but he seems afraid of it for some reason
>>747482021Nigga, Sony is eating shit elsewhere from a bunch of other more retarded projects like Concord they actually put their hands on. He's dead weight to the current people running the place now. They had to cover their own ass and they sure as fuck aren't firing themselves to save money
>>747485674I did find it jarring when his image shifted from "that bonkers jap dev" to "la creatividad" MGS is great but its pulpy and cheesy. That's what he's great at, pulp and cheese. He also 100% bought his own hype at some point.
>>747485798All his open worlds have been empty wastelands, I dunno why he loves them so much. MGSV's was the worst, zero reason not to just drop at the mission zone
I finished and enjoyed Death Stranding 1 and I don't feel like that game needed a sequel at all.
why the fuck do these trillion dollar corporations care about money??????????? just make KINO shit WTF.Gates is trying to control world population just because he's bored. Elon is trying to go to Mars because hes bored.Quantillionaire techbros are trying to put our consciousness into little robots that they can control and keep us trapped in there forever to keep control of this reality because they are bored.why dont we have one of /ourguys/ looking out for usinb4 GabeN
>>747485674Sorry anon I don't read the shit you hallucinated from a damage control rumor you heard from a kike. It's worse than Plato cave, because nobody even shows shadows on the wall, sla/v/es imagine them by themselves
>>747482021Sony has basically lost 4 billion because they bought bungie, concord, most of their live service slop flopped. Sony's terrified of more flops because it means shareholders, who they truly cares about, will sell their stocks because clearly sony doesn't know what they're doing. So in that sense it's not Sony competing vs Nintendo/Xbox/PC. It's Sony competing vs better stocks. Sony's stock is obviously becoming worse all the time because after the final gta 6 hit happens you might as well sell and invest elsewhere. Sony will never have the highs of PS1 and PS2 or PS4.
>>747484492This isn't as dire as one might think depending on if Xbox can build the development pipeline that can allow their own team of engineers to help with development. Remember that Microsoft owns The Coalition, a studio of almost entirely former Epic Games staff who chose to stick with MS and GoW. We're talking literally some of the most experienced Unreal Engine engineers on the planet, and has mostly been left untouched with every round of Xbox layoffs for a reason. They're often used as a support studio behind the scenes to assist with optimization and tech support for other Xbox studios working with Unreal (think along the lines of how Monolith Soft is often a workhorse studio for Nintendo to assist as development support for various titles, they both fill the same respective niche.)If Microsoft pulls their weight in terms of what their studio portfolio is capable of, they can easily fill the same role Guerrilla Games did with DS1 & 2 and the Decima engine.
>>747486350The best time to sell is unironically right now, it's all down hill from here.
>>747483156All those guys were real oldfags at Sony who understood games. I remember a story about Jim Ryan where he saw fans playing old versions of Gran Turismo at E3 and couldn't understand why they kept playing the old stuff and wouldn't just play the new GT. This ship has been sinking for awhile.
>>747485674This is irrelevant to your point, but I always thought the idea of “an auteur in need of reigning in” was a retarded myth conjured by fandoms who love to larp as investors for intellectual property franchises. It’s like they’re actively begging for committee reviewed slop because it’s the closest they’ll ever get to a participation trophy.Pic unrelated
>>747486662>I remember a story about Jim Ryan where he saw fans playing old versions of Gran Turismo at E3 and couldn't understand why they kept playing the old stuff and wouldn't just play the new GTYep. He was using that to prove why backwards compatibility is a waste of time too. Yeah... backwards compatibility... the one thing keeping people on the PS5. You don't hate these executives enough.
>>747486821Then you're being really fucking silly because we have very provable instances of this happening like with tim schafer
>>747485674Sony just got Kojima for the auro and hype factor and now when they don't give a shit anymore they will just cut everything and everybody and go full money extraction mode.
>>747485674You know, it's not even that his games have gotten so much worse or anything. They're still about the same level of craft, perhaps not the same level of novelty as the MGS games.I simply think on a long enough timeline, a creator who built a strong franchise ends up simply being hated by a fanbase that believes he is nothing and identifies with the IP, almost like they think they created it. It's stronger in games to some degree because games are highly personal even if the average gamer has zero clue as to what they're actually playing. They're spending more intimate time with it than most people ever will with film or TV.You see this with Kojima (and some people will always hold the Hayter firing against him), Mikami (some RE fans literally think he has no talent), guys like Harada (he just left Bandai). There was a quote in Tekken 7's retarded story mode after you finish the story that goes something to the effect of "children will eventually resent their parents" which I thought was hilariously unprofound, since the rest of the story mode was just as dumb. But you know what? I get it. Harada's standing in Heihachi's place. The fans are Kazuya. The fans will always hate the creator, eventually.
>>747486821Depends on the autor. Some are good at their job, some need a guiding hand.
death stranding didn't sell that well. they greenlit a sequel in the hopes it could do better but it did even worse. people have also started to notice that kojima was in the wrong with regards to him being fired from konami, especially after the mgs3 remake10 years ago, there were still a lot of people sniffing up his farts. now his reputation is finally catching up to his antics. sony is a pozzed dogshit company however they were gonna lose money on this. they deserve it mind you. but kojima doesn't want to make games, he wants to hang out with celebrities and make movies. fuck him
>>747488582>don't sell enough>but lets make a sequelyou are fucking retarded if you believe that happens
>>747488653you are retarded and can't read. i said it didn't sell that well. it did not. you can believe whatever you want, it doesn't matter regardless
>>747488653It is just ok.
it doesnt even matter if kojima makes a great game again. the people have decided he's a hack because he's not making mgs anymore. i think he should just leave the industry outright and let the acceleration happen. he's doing no favors contributing creatively right now
>Did Sony not understand what they were commissioning?They did, but Physint is so far out (5 years at least) and will not be a Sony-owned property that it is easier to cut it loose now.Still a boneheaded decision, but this wouldn't be happening if Sony hadn't already burned literal billions of dollars on live service. This is Jim's legacy catching up with them.
>>747488809The AI lies to you and is only correct 60% of the time, stop using it and do your own research
>>747482021Sony sees more of a future in yet another live service extraction shooter.Surely the next one will finally catch on, become the next "Fortnite" and satisfy Sony's shareholders.>>747488582People give him too much credit, many of the reasons the stories and even art styles of his previous games have been good have been because of other Konami employees. I see him like the Tarantino of gaming at this point. Overrated, glazed by many, yet their earliest work was still pretty good.
>>747488653Youve had multiple people explain this to you already, retard
