Can we stop pretending this shit is /lit/ tier?
I'm not pretending.
>>747482978Those aren't even the best story games in the medium. Read visual novels, fag.
>>747482978No
>>747482978PT is well-written. Xenogears is not lol
>>747482978What kinda comparison is this? You barmy leatherhead.
>>747483112>shitual novels
>>747482978Planescape is objectively garbage. >let me just stumble into this wizard's house who coincidentally can exposition dump the entire mystery an hour into the gameSNORE
>>747482978No one is pretending, the one who would stop pretending not to be mentally retarded and not be a faggot is you.
>>747483112>reads visual novels>calls other people fag????
>>747482978The rest of the medium sucks compared to these.>>747483112Anon why are you promoting visual novels while using an image of trash?Isn't that counterproductive?
Can we stop having the same rpg threads every day in general? If the ONE person who was making these threads over and over was gone I'm certain the board would improve by 1000%. You can noticeably tell when they go to bed because the board is briefly usable.
>>747485067>anime threads>betting/lootboxes thread>deltarune threads>constant twitter threads>normal threads>pokemon threads>Nintendo, sony, and xbox threadsi could go on and on about the reddit but apparently rpg threads are the problemstfu kys newfag zoomer
>>747485057Disco is better than either.
>>747485401>rpg threads are the problemYou have always been the problem. No one else is a single person making 20+ threads a day for their own interests. Large groups of people are often confined to one thread. Only you are so disruptive and greedy.
>>747485528bro ive been on this website for 19 yearsyou wouldnt know what ironic shitposting is from normal shitposting (obviously)stfu
Disco Elysium is the only lit tier game
>>747482978Post an excerpt from a work of literature that you consider to be "good writing".
>>747485609It's obvious who you are and how much damage you have done. Take a break or go back to /vrpg/.
>>747485738>It's obvious who you arenigga shut up you have no idea who i amgo shitpost somewhere else
>>747482978/lit/ has terrible taste so yeah, these are /lit/ tier
>>747482978Arcanum mogs both of these really hard
>>747482978In their respective realms (JRPGs and CRPGs) they are genuinely the best that video games have to offer writing wise.Anybody trying to claim that they're /lit/-tier are retarded though, video games are a completely different vehicle for storytelling from literature.
>>747486067>video games are a completely different vehicle for storytellingnitwit cope
>>747483112>Visual novels>GoodLMAO, I like Visual Novels but be serious now.
>>747482978>weNo one is making you do anything, anon.
>>747483112>read generic harem VNs like S;G!!no thanks
>>747485853All you do is shitpost. You are here to make the board shit. You have made rpgs synonymous with shit on 4chan.
>>747485426all i see is /v/ call is pseud trash for commies
As great as Xenogears' story is, it actually fails at being a good video game story because the second disk collapses on itself and just becomes a visual novel of infodumps with boss fights thrown in, and then even most of the fucking lore of the game is in a supplementary textbook that details the plans for huge series that never came to be.
>>747482978Your image is outdated. /v/ has moved on to bigger and better things.
>>747486248They're just ultraliberals getting filtered.
>>747486354What really sells Xenogears story is the sheer ambition and what they tried to cram into an ultimately failed video game with budget constraints. It's probably the most ambitious and conceptually dense video game story ever made if we're excluding multi-part series.
>>747483112>posts one of the bad ones as an exampleskeeter
>>747485930kek
>>747482978>"Ye like my wee tail? I'll wag it at ya."
>>747486354The problem is the useless namedropping. In the Japanese version, "God is dead?" is explicitly underlined as if it were a quote, but it is completely misleading. It is an isolated instance, unlike Xenosaga, which constantly name- drops and uses Nietzsche in a highly superficial way, but it is disappointing coming from an author who claimed to have read him. If you read him, why did you implement it in such a misleading way?
>>747486067Bro tell me of some books that have dialogue as well-written as that of Dak'kon, Coaxmetal or Vhailor. You can't. I read a lot and most of it is terribly boring, there are very few writers that can produce lines that just get burned into your brain like the lines in PST.
>>747484813bodied that freak
>>747486713if the writing is so good why didn't they just make a book? any story they're trying to tell is completely bogged down by the medium
>>747482978/lit/ is extremely broad, those are both better than most bookslop that comes out nowadays.
>>747486354>>747486503Like, I wouldn't call Xenogears high literature or high art or anything but I consider it the closest a video game story has gotten to the level of classic sci-fi authors like Arthur Clarke, Robert Heinlein, Isaac Asimov, Frank Herbert and shit.
>>747482978Is /lit/ meant to be a synonym for good? There's tons of slop literature out there.
>>747486797>those are both better than most bookslop that comes out nowadays.So you agree that some modern books are still better despite being slop, and older books were better in general? Not a good argument in favor of videogames.
>>747486067Xenogears just ain't all that. It's kind of the potential man of JRPGs.
>>747486863>Arthur Clarke, Robert Heinlein, Isaac Asimov, Frank Herbertsure, I guess Xenogears is also mid like them
>>747486934I mean yeah I like books more than vidya, doesn't mean some games don't have literary value.
>>747486863>Isaac AsimovSpeaking of Isaac Asimov and Xeno stuff, Xenoblade Genesis literally looks like it's stealing it's core world concept from pic related.
>>747486786Disagree, games give you a lot of pacing, music too. My favourite writing is in Cultist Simulator: Exile and there you see some lines hundreds of times and it gets more powerful every time. Whereas other text you can only see after ten hours of gameplay or looking for it very carefully. Books cannot reproduce this, the reader has to do the pacing. I read very fast, lot of literature just doesn't stick with me.
Peak of books > Good books = Peak of vidya > Good vidya
>>747487183>>747487014you're larping. no one actually prefers books over video games.
>>747483112>read slopual slopelsnice try, count slopula
>>747486998weak bait
Literature is overrated. Most books that people read are trash, and the good ones aren't that great either. Lit is slop. Art is slop. Theater is slop. Cinema is slop. Vidya is slop.
>>747487080it seems more like a you problem anon if you cant seem to get into books. slow down and smell the flowers
>>747487378first claim is truebut exceptional art exists
They don't even come close to Umineko
>>747487564Uminekofags are so fucking embarrassing man
>>747486887Just because you haven't seen them, that doesn't mean they don't exist anon.Play Legacy of Kain or something
>>747482978All these years I put off xenogears, finally I go to play through what I've been told is the greatest vidya story of all time and its some Japs gnostic fanfiction >NOOOOO FEI AND ID THATS CRAZY!!!!!it really isnt and it's not well done>BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IF WE GAVE THEM 10 TRILLION MORE DOLLARS!!!Xenoblade is better done.
>>747487706I never got what's interesting about the Fei and Id thing at all. It's just an anime version of a Freud concept which wasn't that crazy in the first place, genuinely don't get what people find fascinating about it.Looking forward to playing Xenoblade.
>>747482978can you stop pretending that you are a woman?
>>747482978Can we stop pretending /lit/ has value?
>>747486354>it actually fails at being a good video game story because the second disk collapses on itself and just becomes a visual novel of infodumps with boss fights thrown inBlame squaresoft for that one, they refused to keep funding it because ff7.It was not intended to be like that, the team HAD to summarize disc 2 or leave the story incomplete.>>747486712To be somewhat fair, translate xenogears accurately to english is very difficult, there is currently a fan team making a translation as faithful as possible, but they are very slow.
>>747488214Fei is like Raskolnikov.
>>747488608I may be forgetting the plot but I don't remember Fei (in current incarnation at least) doing anything outright evil and trying to rationalize it but being unable to bear the guilt.
>>747488571>It was not intended to be like that, the team HAD to summarize disc 2 or leave the story incomplete.Kind of crazy how some of those story elements could've easily been their own discs.
>>747488571No no, I didn't mean it was a translation issue, in fact, the translation removed the underline, so it's actually better. I'm saying that Takahashi claimed to have read a lot of Nietzsche, but he quoted him out of context there. I don't know what it is with some Japanese creators, Takahashi, Tomino, Anno, spouting random bullshit about this kind of stuff
>>747488728He killed his mother, destroyed his village, Elru, Solaris. Technically it was Id, but the whole point is that it's still him, he blames no one but himself. And even the Coward, after their mother's death, selfishly kept all the happy memories for himself, leaving Id in the shit.
>>747488834>Kind of crazy how some of those story elements could've easily been their own discs.Just like xenosaga.Xenosaga was meant to be 6 discs but everything went to shit after episode 1 so episode 2 was extremely rushed (they didn't even add shops) and episode 3, while almost as good as episode 1, had to rush the story. It's a pity that there can't be a lore-heavy xeno series that doesn't face financing problems.
>>747487378existence is slop
>>747488834I'd feel bad if they didn't piss away so much time on bullshit. You'll spend 2 hours on a gay prison break segment, then disk 2 hits you get a powerpoint on how Bart awoke the Fatima Secret interdimensional weapon capable of vaporizing the earth and defeating a literal angel.>but it's not their fault, square cut their funding at the last minute Shoulda coulda woulda, the game has too much filler
>>747489615>You'll spend 2 hours on a gay prison break segmentThe prison part was meant to foreshadow how mutants are pariahs, making Elly/Sophia attempt to cure them/help them in the end be more meaningful and 'saint-like', plus that solaris was doing bullshit behind scenes with the "monster" on the sewers.Imagine you remove it and replace it with Citan telling Fei that mutants are discriminated and Elly explaining that solaris is doing bad stuff behind scenes. That would be bad storytelling.
>>747482978xenogears is good and unironically the best or one of the best written gamesi don't know or care about the other
>>747490102Not as bad as Elly becoming the new blessed NONVIRGIN mother Mary and bringing world peace in a cutscene
>>747490237what a non issue to have a melty over.
>>747490372>meltyI'm cool as a cucumber, the back of the game sucks shit and even being charitable it's payoffs suck dick that show a woeful misunderstanding of not only Christianity but even gnosticism. The whole story is like a bad game of telephone, I can picture the Jesuit priest saying "uhhhh sure" that resulted in Japanese people thinking Jesus ran away to Japan and became a famous samurai or some shit
>>747490583Ah, so the problem is you're overvaluing the importance of accuracy of christianity in relation to the superseding and more important japanese creative team and how they shaped the story they wanted to tell. It really is a non issue.raffs.
>>747490583Can you elaborate?
>>747490793>overvaluingI think if you're going to use terms, prayers, icons, and images that you should demonstrate you understand them, yes Anno. The key failing of gnosticism without some kooky jap even misunderstanding that and thus creating layers of misunderstanding devalues the entire story.
>>747486248Never take gaming recommendations or opinions from /v/Disco Elysium is a fantastic, humourous and emotional experience
>>747490927Ogey but the anime story is objectively more important.
>>747487264Comparing video games to books is like comparing heroin to love
What kind of teen moron thinks some vapid crap like PST or xenogears is comparable to reading literature? Why try to pass crass and flanderized dialogue referencing pop culture and bad anime off as some aesthetic work that will help you grow as a person? The evidence is in the threads. Every last one is repetitive squabbling over arbitrary lore and dumb meaningless questions. The central theme of PST is posited by a guy literally named "Puzzlewell". It's fucking retarded and is a misleading question designed to make stupid people argue on the internet. It's not exploring any deep themes of human nature.
>>747491037You don't belong here and don't have a valued opinion tourist kun. lmao>inb4 fringe outlier seething and tantrums
>>747482978Xenogears really is like watching a 50 episode mecha anime or reading a long ass sci-fi novel so the comparison makes sense actually.
>>747491012I'll concede the anime and political story are good, but I tune out when Takahasi is desparately trying to prove he didn't just skim the first chapter of John
>>747482978Who don't video games hire actual writers since they seem to make a big deal about them even if gameplay comes first. It can't be that expensive to hire a writer when your budget is 300 mil nowadays.
>>747491324What I mean by writer is someone who can prove they can write by having made something good due to their writing. So not fully limited to books but also not a writer who has credits on something successful but not due to the plot.
>>747490890>elaborateI'm fine with Church Evil, it's cliche but it's easy so whatever.The images of the cross, Elly being a great healer and reincarnation of the universes virgin Mary but having to repurpose her as more of a mother Theresa/padre pio at the 11th hour, Fei and Cain being sons of an Adamless Eve, it's like "fine" if youre exclusively trying to do your own thing but it borrows so much while also not really understanding it that it becomes apparent that most of what you know about it is presupposed by being Japanese and reusing the most out there Gnostic interpretations of it that can't even be reconciled by a plain reading of scripture.Its the same shit as evangelion, just kooky Japanese guys reading some weird gnostic encyclopedia that's 8-10 editions behind and saying "Eschaton, that's a cool word!"
You sound hangry. You should eat some Peopoli McHuman. I hear it tastes great.
>>747491863>It's people>bro wtf why'd you make me eat that>so you'd understand, moving on!T-t-thanks?
>>747491324
>>747491324>>747491952
>>747491324Because video games is comparatively easy and lower stakes scenario writing which isn't capable of reaching the heights of other mediums. It's more like the kind of writing that would go into a family guy skit or a sitcom.
>>747492153Thank God that's exclusively a problem in the cheaper stories in the western side of the industry.
best opening scene
>>747491717I didn't know that. I think I should look into it further, because there is a difference between an intelligent reinterpretation (like Dostoevsky's Grand Inquisitor) and a disconnected or unnecessary use. You don't have to make a study guide out of that thing, but if you want to subvert it, you should show why you chose that specific thing. It's more disappointing than Anno because at least he stated it explicitly.
>>747492239Scenario writing is more heavily utilized in japan than the west, which is why the xenogears guy has never written a book. I am literally just repeating what he himself has said. He is not skilled enough to write a book.
>>747487049> silverbergzionist propganda
>ctrl + f "patho">no resultscome on guys.
>>747492306Ill just say, if you stripped back all the religious references and made it stand on its own with unique images and unique archetypes, the game(specifically the gnostic religious parts) wouldnt be praised as highly as it is. I encourage everyone to read up on Christian theology not only because I believe it, but so much of Catholic theology and Church history is so interesting, it's captivating even through an atheist lens reconciling it as mythic.
>>747492990Oh yay, the dunning kruger gang is all here now
>>747482978It's about on par with better science fiction/fantasy genre fiction but it feels better because of the involvement of the player in the story, enhances the emotional connection to events in a way a book can't.
>>747491324Because writing for a video game comes with a lot of annoying constraints as you have to write around the gameplay and level design and it large games like RPGs there is a lot, lot of shit to write for side quests and random npcs and all that and most real writers aren't interested in doing all that nonsense.
>>747493594ive actually played pathologic classic unlike 99% of pseuds and i can tell you its the best there is besides disco elysium as far as gaming is concerned. what do you think is the finest /vlit/ games?
>>747483112Do S;G fags have a humiliation kink or something?
>>747482978Does Xenoblade Gears have good-looking women? Is Xenoblade Gears censored?
>>747495230You see Elly and Fei naked for better or worse
>>747495230I'm just saying that in Xenogears they gave Elly tights because otherwise it would have been too provocative, whereas in Xenoblade 2 they made Mythra with bare legs. That says a lot about the change in philosophy.
>>747497894>bare legsNot anymore chuddy
>>747491324name a good writer
>>747494971They just think they have 30 more IQ points than in reality because their story has time travel in it.
>>747498630
>>747491324they probably do hire actual writers, but they are always shit writers who write horrid fucking airportcore. not a lot of good writers around nowadays anywayst. /lit/ native
>>747498630Shigeru Miyamoto
>>747482978Both of those are good games.
>b-but le writing!>b-but le art!no one talks about gameplay anymore. when they do, it's some variation of soulsloppa. vidya is dead as fuck.
>>747502278VVVVVV is a great game
>>747502278this is a thread specifically dedicated to writing. why do you expect a focus on gameplay in a thread like this?
nobody with an intact frontal lobe plays video games for the writing or story
>>747504958Sure
>>747491104>What kind of teen moron thinks some vapid crap like PST or xenogears is comparable to reading literature? Me.
>>747482978Nobody here has played any of those games.
>>747485940Arcanum is also a shit game
>>747482978At least Xenogears isn't cancer to play unlike Planescape and CRPGs in general.
>>747486393What is the Finnegans Wake of vidya?
>>747483112i enjoy steins gate but those "novels" feel like toddler toys compared to tolstoy or flaubert
>>747484912>good story vs theme park aesthetics
>>747511120Probably Hylics
>>747511414>>747511562Fei and TNO literally are the same character
>>747511414But enough about Kinogears compared to Planescape: Borement.
>>747485672>watered down planescape>watered down mayakovsky >watered down belyeven if you're right, it's still sad
>>747485930
So you guys are telling me that there isn't a single /lit/ tier game made since the medium was born?
>>747486128no game has done what cormac mccarthy or tolstoy has done, not that you would know
>>747511792>literally uses the word literally incorrectlyyeah i'm definitely gonna trust your opinion on words and language
>>747512189You're welcome
>>747505974you know im right and dont need to explain why (the highest form of argumentation)
>>747482978There are very few games so terrible I would consider calling them /lit/ tier
>>747511438Even A Portrait of the Artist is more complex than Hylics, so no.
>>747494971I always assumed most weebs do
Planescape Torment is just literary shock horror with some elements of Stephen King and Lovecraft mixed in.Haven't played Xenogears but most Japanese games are really bad at telling stories and mostly rely on strong and colorful characters more than anything else.
>>747483112The only good VN I've ever played was Uminenko part 3. Strictly because you could tell the writer wrote himself into a corner and he just asspulls stuff for 2 hours straight to make it work anyway.
>>747483112Is Fata Morgana good?
>>747511991I'll be a little pedantic but if by "/lit/ tier" we literally mean games that fit that board's particular taste, then MAYBE The Last of Us one and Disco Elysium because they respectively copied the fuck out of pic related? Two books that are often on their top 100 list.But if we mean literature as a whole, then.........lol
>>747483112S;G was mid.
>>747513358Yeah I meant good as actual literature. I know the medium has a lot of commercial constraints, but how long has it been? At least 50 years. It feels weird that there isn't even one exception without reservations
i cant tell if i like kotor 2's writing because it's actually good or if it's just nostalgie
>>747482978>/lit/ tierI have no idea what is going on at /lit/ but considering how every other specific board is absolutely shit at what they're for, such as /tg/ being bad at mtg, /fa/ dressing worse than Reddit or /mu/ being a collection of absolute dogshit cacophonies, I disagree, because XG is KINO of the highest order.
>>747512739It's not like E33 is anything like Ulysses, bro. A lot of the text in Hylics is literally randomly generated. That's probably the closest that you can get to Finnegans Wake. There isn't a dreamlike game where characters and concepts fade together, sometimes fading even into the landscape, often flowing into and out of scenes, usually without being described explicitly, in a circular narrative that vaguely revolves around some sort of sexual crime, probably incest, the imagery of which is spun via a "language" that conveys "feeling" more so than "meaning". That's just not the nature of how video games work. Simply cannot be portrayed. I think Hylics is more like Finnegans Wake than LSD: Dream Emulator, for example, even though LSD is more "dreamlike"
>>747513701Imo the best I've ever played is Planescape, I agree with a lot of the critique it's already gotten ITT, but it has some special moments and unique characters. Overall it feels like a 7.5/10 dark fantasy novel. Fans of that game should check out books/writere like picrel.
>>747514141>"language" that conveys "feeling" more so than "meaning"ever heard of stream of consciousness. ever heard of automatic writing. ever heard of poetry. ever heard of literally any female fiction writer ever.
>>747482978I've seen several retarded shitposts about both of these games comparing them to /lit/ recently. Did some underage thirdie read their first English book in high school this past month or something?
>>747514141>A lot of the text in Hylics is literally randomly generated. That's probably the closest that you can get to Finnegans Wake.There's not a single random word in Finnegans Wake. You should listen to David Lynch and Joseph Campbell talk about it.
>>747514461Are you AI? Do you even know what this conversation is about? Have you read even a single page of Finnegans Wake? Have you ever read any book at all? >>747514584>There's not a single random word in Finnegans Wake.I know that, but the text in Hylics is random and therefore "incomprehensible", much like Finnegans Wake is borderline (or fully, depending) "incomprehensible" without a read-along guide.
>>747514749lol
>>747514749There's different kinds of incomprehensible and they lead to extremely different effects and produce extremely different reading experiences. There are conversations in Ulysses that discuss and demonstrate this, especially stuff like the Proteus and Oxen of the Sun episodes. Reading gibberish in Farsi will not be the same as reading Esperanto in a Spanish comic book.
>>747515015>There's different kinds of incomprehensible and they lead to extremely different effects and produce extremely different reading experiences.Yup. It's almost like I described this.
only game i've played that had writing like a good book is pathologic 2 desu, and that was mainly just the dialogue and the fact that it actually expects you to try and infer meaning
>>747515202You're contradicting yourself and it's making it hard to have a serious conversatoin.
>>747513386It's actually hilarious how overrated s;g become in anime circles, weebs really don't have any taste at all.
>>747514141I havent played Hylics so grain of salt, but I dont know if youve read it but this sounds way more like the opening chapter ofFaulkners Sound and the Fury, not Joyce.
>>747515328The time travel concept was pretty interesting but it gets completely ruined by the bad gimmicky characters. I think you have to be the type that worships the idea of maid cafes to like them.
>>747515319>You're contradicting yourselfNope. You're just doing the leftist thing. It's okay. You can go back and read posts if you'd like. I'd be impressed if you are able to point out where I have contradicted myself. >>747515475I have not read The Sound and the Fury. The only Faulkner I've read is Absalom, Absalom which I admittedly do not remember much of as it was probably 15 years ago or more.
>>747515202no, you literally didn't
>what's the mount everest of pebbles>here (1 inch diameter, weighs .4 ounces)
>>747515328Dropped that one because of the dumb MC
>thousands are sailing>the same self the only self>self willed the peril of a thousand fates>a line of infinite ends finite finishing>the one remains oblique and pure>arching to the single point of>consciousness>find yourself>starting backhttps://marathon.bungie.org/story/arrival.html
>>747490943So true, sister.
gamers will never stop pretending. how could they when their entire hobby is literally playing pretend
>>747515631The time travel plot was interesting in theory but just ended up retreading the same time travel story beats as every other time travel thing I've seen, except maybe not as well.
>>747516080also relevant
>>747482978I need to play torment. I was in a DND campaign heavily inspired by it that was fun.
>>747516142Maybe yeah. I was already fully checked out by halfway through so I'm only giving the plot the benefit of the doubt since it looked genuinely interesting.
>>747516172What a stupid thing to write out. Most of the great games with fantastical art direction in the 90s were made by STEMfags.
>>747514141>A lot of the text in Hylics is literally randomly generated. That's probably the closest that you can get to Finnegans Wake.Incorrect answer. Picrel is the correct answer. A Joycean experience needs indexicality cyphers and polysemic linguistic puzzles, not le spazzy random diction.
>>747516480Their aesthetics comes from hollywood movie posters and action figure commercials, so wrong.
>>747516142It's funny that the glowniggers were basically time jannies before that term was coined.
>>747515631The characters are good if you aren't a retard that's allergic to anything anime-shaped.
>>747516567Please explain to me how that applies to Crash Bandicoot or Thief.
>>747516679>CrashIndiana Jones if he were a plushie animal>ThiefOnly played the original and it's been decades and I remember that game being kino, maybe you got me there.
Best written video game of the 21st century?
>>747483112Steins:Gate is objectively worse than Xenogears. I'd say Xenogears even does a better schizophrenic MC than something like Subahibi does.
>>747511327t. Steven Ogg
>>747517064Sometimes I unironically wonder if he would like these so-called /lit/ games
>>747516823>Indiana Jones if he were a plushie animalWhat does it have in common with Indiana Jones besides a boulder chase?>maybe you got me there.There's no maybe. I know what the devs were inspired by and none of it was hollywood movies or action figures. You're talking out of your ass.
>>747486248The game let's you RP as a commie, fascist, racist ultranationalist, centrist, or just not give a shit about politics at all. It doesn't punish you for any of these choices. If it were a woke/commie game, they'd finger-wag you for being a racist chud. It's an amazing game and you should play it, as long as you're ok with the "gameplay" being just walking around and having long conversations with NPCs.
>>747517236Schindler's list was inspired by brutal historical accounts and it still feels like schlock
>>747517064He's right, though. Unlike books, very few VNs are worth reading. The "visual" part is generally more compelling than the "novel".
>>747485672>Gaming's most literary achievement is a 7/10 political thriller
>>747517495>when the propaganda is so egregious even jews wish it was toned down
>>747517645Many such cases.
>>747517495>brutal historical accountsAnon, please. There's no need for that kind of trolling.
>>747517236he goes into temples/caves and collects treasure. he dodges traps through reflex or observation. the main antagonists are associated with the letter N. the dialogue is in the ballpark of action figure pull-strings.
>>747514141>There isn't a dreamlike game where characters and concepts fade together blah blah etc
why didnt fyodor karamazov just respawn?
why didnt yorick just respawn?
>>747518053>he goes into temples/caves and collects treasure.I can't tell if you actually think you made a point, or if you're making a joke about how only an actual retard desperate to argue about nothing would try to paint Crash as some kind of cave spelunking treasure hunter with action movie dialogue.
>>747518971>the main antagonists are associated with the letter NIt's an obvious shitpost, autist-kun.
>>747519089>It's an obvious shitpostYou say that like this place isn't full of retards who argue for the sake of it and actually believe the nonsense they spew.
>>747518271>sadformer
>>747519181Yes, but that one line should've spelled it out.
>>747519196im jumping but i have body dysphoria :(
Indika was perfectly cromulent if you're looking for that 'arthouse movie' sort of quality in gaming.
>>747482978you haven't played either
>>747483112/thread
>>747519241I've seen dumber posts made in sincerity.
>>747519930me too, like every indiana jones movies
>>747519181>You say that like this place isn't full of retards who argue for the sake of it and actually believe the nonsense they spew.You say that like you're not one of them
>>747516480Someone feels called out huh, kek
>>747520726What nonsense have I said? I gave 2 very specific examples to counter the worthless generalization some retard made. He couldn't argue one and said something absurd to try to argue the other. How is that the same as me giving 2 actual examples?>>747521041>called outI'm not the one with the chip on my shoulder about STEMfags who needs to make things up while being ignorant about who made all the best games in the 90s and early 2000s.
still feels it kek
>>747521236You're brown.
>>747519324Jumping is fatphobic
> Updated my journal
>>747482978No.
>>747482978Those two “”””games”””” are evidence that most gamers are illiterate retards.
>>747498763S;G fanboys are delusional, Planetscape from the OP alone btfos everything that series ever put out.
>>747521212
>>747523523I think the original series is good, though overrated. Everything since S;G 0 has been outright bad though.
>He's really feeling it!
>>747510969Nothing in Planescape is half as annoying as Xenogears' dungeons and Babel Tower, you might just not be used to how infinity engine works but the gameplay is generally pretty easy and painless (and rare) in PST.
>>747524074Still, the games in the OP are worth playing just for their stories, so these must be THAT good
>>747523604>polddit fallacySubhuman.>>747523920Post hand, then you can pretend you get to have human opinions.
>>747482978Xenogears has always been retarded forced-shit.I can't say much about Planetscape because that's a relative no-namer with a very insular fanbase but it seems cringe too.
>>747524218>ad hominemYou might be genuinely too low IQ to understand why you're wrong.
>>747523830They company released a second remake and at this point I think I'm done with the series. There's nothing of worth left in it.
>>747524419>You might be genuinely too low IQNo one's more IQ than monkeys who cry about logical fallacies when arguing on the internet because they (rightfully) got called retarded.
>>747524743my god you want to sound smart so bad lmao
>>747482978Xenogears a shit
>>747525060not him but ad hom fallacy btw
>>747525234he's so stupid that calling anyone else 'him' should be considered ad hom
4chan is basically ad hominem the weebsite
>>747525430>ad hominem >the weebsiteCleverest tranny.
>>747525060>lmaoPutting this at the end of your post doesn't hide your asspain over getting called out for being a retard as well as you think it does. Redditors are subhuman and no one cares about their pretend rules for internet arguing.
>>747484912>Actual RPG vs chinkslop
>>747524473Implying there was anything of worth in the series in the first place, it's time travel slop after all.
>>747511414If it were a book I could at least make it less ugly in my mind.
>>747525705you want it so bad and you'll never have it kek
>>747525945this
>>747525920>t. miserable contrarian fuck who hated Chrono Trigger
>>747525945Say no more
>>747526434These western slops always quickly become books. I wonder why.
>>747525974You're so brown.
>>747526517
>>747482978planescape torment did not age well. morte = one piece brooke
I have uncslop fatigue
I have fatique fatique
i don't
>>747527060Funny, all you zoomers are consuming our slop.
anyone read house of leaves? i was meme'd into buying it and stopped reading before the 1st chapter. is it actually good?
>>747527978it's okay.
>>747511792Fei is better than TNO. It goes beyond his character being more developed and interesting, his incarnations are also more developed than all of PS:T's party members. Nevermind the villains who just take an enormous dump over PS:T's
>>747492350grim and morose
>>747492350he's actually written at least 1 novel though he's used it for developing the game stories
>>747491324Video game devs don't know about any talented writers because they don't read. The same is true for the average /v/irgin.
>>747529891Reading for stories is cringe, but reading for learning about reality is based. Read Mein Kampf, Culture of Critique, and 200 Years Together.
>>747516172if this is what dfw believed then his suicide only makes even more sense
>>747492350
>>747492350Xenogears was also only a good story with good characters because his wife wrote it. Everything he wrote (especially his extended universe shit and XB2) was fucking trash.
>>747530003Exhibit A.
>>747483112SG legitimately has some of the worst characters to ever be put into a VN
>>747530159the best elements of gears were written by takahashi, though the characters are very good too
>>747530174I've read the "good stories" too. They are boring. Also you are a jew.
>>747530235>the best elements of gears were written by takahashi,Wrong. And no, the shallow Japanese understanding and wanking of western theology is never interesting, especially not in any Xeno game.
>>747530478gear's best aspects are the world, lore/backstory, and the love story between elly/fei. Those were takahashi
>>747498630Brandon Sanderson
>>747530248No you haven't, liar
>>747530842this guy is shilled everywhere. i'll check out one of his books.
>>747530851>that face>that handrubbing
>>747530478>>747530610Krelian, Grahf, Fei, Elly, Half of Citan (the other half, Hyuga Rikudo was Soraya, or viceversa i don't remember) are Takahashi.Still, Takahashi used Nietzsche in a very shallow way and idk why
>>747530842>>747530926
I quit Xenogears before even making it to disc 2I quit Planescape before even leaving the first area because reading about the boring brown shithole I was in put me to sleep, literally.My top 3 stories in gaming are the Legacy of Kain games, Star Wars The Old Republic and Odin Sphere.fite me irl cunt
>>747531215>Star WarsGood goy.
>>747531134i cant look at pics of lynch now that he's dead :(
I keep hearing that Disco Elysium is the modern Planescape, but this couldn't be further from the truth
>>747531215wait, I mean KNIGHTS OF THE OLD REPUBLICfuck.
>>747531351>ugly>propaganda story>not a game>PCgoyim eat it up because PC gameSeems apt to me.
>>747531351i liked planescape, everything i've seen and heard about DE and the kind of people who like it make me assume it must be awful
>>747531351they're both alright. anyone claiming they're masterpieces hasn't read a book since high school that didnt have flaming dragons and exploding space ships on the cover
>>747532045Fucking chud.
>>747532045I like the ones with big minotaur cock on the cover
>>747532284>least homosexual /lit/poster
>>747532176I love Virginia Woolf and Vasily Grossman.>>747532284Based
>>747532437Sounds jewish.
>>747532507One is literally jewish, so yes.
>>747532571Yeah, that's why I said it. Smartest jew.
>>747532176>>747532616your victimhood is showing again, timmy
>>747483112Dropped this anime after 5 episodes.
>>747482978Welp, you have to read a lot to get into these games...
>>747533026The VN is better than the anime by leaps and bounds. It's still a VN with tranny shit, but it's interesting because of the time janny glowniggers.
>>747531351How about coming up with your own opinion for once?
Ok.
Bump
>>747482978Planescape starts off strong by goating you in with the mystery of who the main character is like the golden case from Pulp Fiction but once you unravel the main character's immortality, it quickly goes to shit. It's a 7/10 brought down to 6/10 by the shit combat.
>>747531484>propaganda story?
>>747537807>uhhh I'm a drunk retard and communism is correctApparently you fell for it.
300!
>>747539997>>>/pol/
>>747524074Ill do those in XG 3 times over the ravel fetch quest in pst
>>747484912>rpg vs adhd
>>747540869>RPG vs. Globohomo mental illness simulator
>>747533026People say to stick around for the halfway point but it just got more stupid after that.
>>747541056>t. glownigger time janny
>>747482978>Places the best game Planescape as a setting has ever gotten next to anime garbage that just apes western mysticism from a time when doing that was trendy in Japan
>>747482978Books are outdated garbage with no exception. Any mid game is going to have a better written story than any book no matter how "good" it is.
>>747541252Uh... chud? What about the hecking Odyssey? Didn't you see it in theaters?
>>747541252Lol
>>747541107The time travel plot was stupid and poorly justified at the best of times.
Mein KampfCulture of Critique200 Years TogetherGo read!
>>747542486>t. glownigger time janny
HEY CUTTER!
>>747482978xenogears was goodi couldnt get past the opening of planescape it just seemed lame to me
>>747544326You're just too stupid, goy. You should've learned about black science man and his daughter, that is the essence of PC goyming.
>>747533098The VN is better but still very flawed at best. I take issue with the lack of characterization for the cast and the pacing is even worse than the anime.
>>747546835Go back to Umineko, tranny.
>>747482978Very funny game because the translator fucks up even basic grammar like plurals. Literal prove that you didn't need fluency to translate, you just needed to be in the office at the time.
>>747548130*proof
>>747548130>>747548164Based latinx.
Xenogears a shit
