*destroys AAA gaming*
>>747488326>was it the propaganda focus?>no no, we just spend too much money on... things
When will they decide to bring back any of their classic IPs?>The Legend of Dragoon>Twisted Metal>Drive Club>SOCOM>Motostorm>Fat Princess>Tokyo Jungle>Warhawk/Starhwak>Ape Escape>PaRappa>Resistance>Killzone>Jack and Daxter>Gravity Rush>Sly Cooper>Siren>Syphon Filter>Infamous>Wild Arms>Wipe Out>MediEvil>Dark Cloud>The Gateway>Jet Moto>Tearaway>LittleBigPlanet>LocoRoco>Ico, SotC, The Last Guardian
>>747488326Sure after Concord and Marathon fairgame will be a hit
>>747488326Incredible, they'd rather burn down everything about the brand down than admit they've fucked up with Marathon or cancel Fairgames and Hunters Gathering
>>747488414pretry much, there's no reason why a game like concord should cost $300 million and "woke games" like bg3 were system sellers
>>747488681American wages is the problem. There's a reason manufacturing got outsourced and now all game development will too.
>>747488674They fucked up with concord, kojima, bluepoint, marathon, wolverine.The execs over there needs to go
>>747488326I am personally responsible for this.
No policies to avoid a Wolverine or Marathon, however...
>>747488326Those faggots will never learn.
>>747488475Hopefully never, seeing the state of their games for the past decade.
>>747488475Are you just making up game names? Im 37 and ive never heard about any of this shit apart from Medievil, Killzone and Ico/SotcWhy would they want to remake any of these noname games?
>>747488810>kojimaKojima has never made a commercial failure (ignoring the SEGA CD).Sony execs have tripled down on greenlighting Intergalactic: The Heretic Prophet.Trying to spin this move in particular as good for Sony while they continue fast tracking all of the games that everybody knows is going to fail without changing any of the things in their development process that makes said failures is completely deaf, blind, and retarded.
>>747489306>I didn't actually play gamesyou are part of the problem.
>>747488674>cancel Fairgames and Hunters GatheringThe problem is they have obligations and sunk costs for giant dipshit productions like that. The only prevention for making games like that is having someone with an IQ bigger than their shoe size is hiring a new market research department that does actual market research instead of trying to create a smoke screen of stupid culture war nonsense to cover up the obvious flaws in your premise.
>>747489306>Im 37How are you still alive?
>>747489306>Im 37 and ive never heard about any of this shit apart from MedievilProbably because you live under a fucking rock. I'm 39 and I know all of them despite being an xbox fag in my youth.
bazz is too powerful, her legacy lives on
>>747488326Is the writer of that article specifically using that character to show ridiculous the games art direction looks? gaming journos are usually pushing woketrash so I don't think that would be the case. Coincidental because of the awful armor?
>brown baldy with a combSomeone's feeling terrible artsy and meaningful about that, you can just tell.
>>747489458>being an xbox fag in my youthThats your problem Ive never touched any consoles since they were for kids
>>747488674They know they fucked up but they're trapped, they can't kill Marathon without nuking consumer trust and ensuring every gaas they put out for the next decade flops, they can't just cancel every game after investing millions because they'll get sued by their investors for wasting money, all they can do is minimize the damage and pray to get a hit
>>747488326But they greenlit Wolverine? is Sony just fucking retarded through and through?
>>747489306>>747488475Wait actually I have played Wipeout on PC in like 1998, just remembered Point stands though. All these are anonymous titles in 2026.
>>747489584>Ive never touched any consoles since they were for kidstoo poor to own both console and PC? What store brand cola was your favorite anon?
>>747488414WHY THE FUCK WOULD WE WANT HIV POSITIVE IMMIGRANTS ENTERING THE COUNTRY I FUCKING HATE THE LEFT SO MUCH ITS FUCKING UNREAL
>>747489314DS2 flopped nigga, it's time to face it. Even DS1 wasn't really a hit and barely broke even after selling on a discount and the steam port
>>747489717Sam's Choice.
>>747489306>not instantly recognizing all of those gamesWhat games do you fucking play lol
>>747488326are they though?that new ND female is an ugly bald brownoid and the god of laundry chick are still there
>>747489306>>747489658how the FUCK have you not at least heard of Motorstorm, SOCOM, Warhawk, fucking Ape Escape and PaRappa?? Jak & Daxter? LBP?Are you retarded???These aren't obscure games anon what the actual fuck is wrong with you
>>747489306This faggot was in a coma for 30 years.
>>747489306I’m 34 and only name I had to look up was Siren, how the fuck do you not know Sly cooper and Jax and Dexter?
>>747488326>avoid another concord>marathon still exists>fairgame$ still exists>horizon troon gathering still existsso they are avoiding another concord by allowing 3 more concords?
>>747488326Watch them fail and miss the point that made Concord happen because all the people who could have pointed out the issues have been driven out already.
>>747488414>Propaganda focus>No, I can't explain what propagandaFGO is open anti white propoganda. It sells.
>>747490194Well least these ones don’t have a multi million dollar ova made and already had a tv show in the works. It’s still so fucking crazy they did all of that before even really seeing if the wider audience liked it
>>747488681BG3 sold off of the name
>>747489306Stop posting here. Just find a different board. You ruined this place
Gentlemen I present to you, the modern audience: >>747489306
>>747490327Most normalfags didn’t know of Baldur's Gate before the bear fucking stuff but that was so wild it got their attention and was good
>>747488414You couldn't name the "propaganda" put out by Sony if you had a gun to your head. You can just call it AAA or design-by-committee. It's fine. You don't have to be a SJW about it. Yes that is what you're doing when you scream that the overly safe video games with incredibly bland and vaguely feel-good messaging starring an ambiguously brown and/or female protagonist is political. You are being a SJW.
>>747490475Well atleast they knew medievil do not going go too hard on them, I would honestly love a mediEvil 2 remake
>>747489306https://youtu.be/7HtdfhJVLJU
>>747488516I was curious about fairgame and it looks like they renamed it to Project Expresso, looks generic and uninspired:https://player.gg/explore/games/project-espresso?utm_medium=email
>>747490553
>>747488326>>747488414forget about Cuckifornia and move back to Japan, ban big city Americans from game development, implement a chud overseer division in every project to ensure the product is perfectly tailored towards THE REAL AUDIENCE (gamers).No? don't worry some Indies, Chinese videogames and in 3 years lone anons prompting with AI will take your place
>>747490806None of this means anything, it's Boy Scout badges for retards. Those are there for you to hyperfixate on and for some undercut hipsters to flail their arms around yelling "er muh gerd."
>>747490876>implement a chud overseer division in every project to ensure the product is perfectly tailored towards THE REAL AUDIENCE (gamers).congratulations you have rediscovered the development process of concordno, the playstation executives vetoing character designs were not woke, lol
>>747489306>these games are no-name after sony shelved and neglected them for over a decade! haw haw, take that!!!!how the fuck are they supposed to become big names if they don't fucking use them you cumsucking fucktard
>>747488414What the fuck is this shit?! Please, tell me it's not real...
>>747490475Yeah I dunno. All those old games have zero chance making a comeback. No one under 35 is going to have any attachment to them, and probably not even recognize most. You're running on oldfag cope. And I say that as someone absolutely even older than you.
>>747491223I'm under 35 and recognize nearly all of the IPs listed. Hell, I've played at least half of them.
>>747490553Things are getting too hot under the spotlight and now you're pretending none of it was ever political. Why can't you people accept responsibility for what happened to this industry.
>>747488326why is marathon, fairgames and intergalactic still being funded?
>>747489306How long were you in prison?
>>747488475why the fuck would you want the modern industry near any of those?
>>747490553>You couldn't name the "propaganda" put out by Sony if you had a gun to your head.normalizing sodomites and pretending it's totally not a mental illness is, in fact, propaganda
>>747491539Japan Studio could've made some good revivals
>>747491290Well, you're old enough to fall for the nostalgia trap. The industry is already fucked in multiple dimensions. Getting stuck trying to necromance dusty old fossil games isn't going to help.
>>747489182
sony doesn't have very strong ips
>747489306Lying faggot baiting for (You)s.
>>747491119https://x.com/Sony/status/1805296115148829166
>>747489306You mean you're 17
>>747488475As much as that would be cool why would you? Sure making Concord was retarded but the potential for another Fortnite that Sony controls is too lucrative not to chase.
>>747491453Because telling investors you wasted over a billion dollars and got nothing to show for it is a good way to get sued into oblivion, trying and failing is less damaging for the current CEO
>>747491453Marathon has to be Sony hoping that if enough time passes, shutting down Marathon can slip by unnoticed instead of being mocked as another ConcordIntergalactic is sunk cost- Cuckmann already went wildly overbudget so they're hoping for any RoI to cut their lossesFairgames is just baffling
>>747488414>HIV-positive immigrants So importing plague rats is a good thing ?Fuck this clown world.
so in a way Bazz actually saved gaming
>>747491453Fairgames is too far into development to scrap I guess and since LOU2 sold well and was critically praised(I know people hate it here but still) neil gets to do what he wants. Also Sony forced his studio to do a live service game that got cancelled which probably fucked up development hence why it's taken so long.
huh, servers must be down for an update or something. Surely a game with this budget would net a few players, right?
>>747488326Niggergalactic and Grandma of War will be Concord tier releases.
>>747492028Racisim is the real disease
>>747489630if it was far enough in development it will be released no matter what
We must support sony in these difficult times, latinaeioux++2bros!
The same people who cheered for the industry's creative choices that lead to Concord are weighing in and recommending ways to go forward. What could go wrong
>>747492136>Racisimgood morning saar
>>747491360>Things are getting too hot under the spotlight and now you're pretending none of it was ever political.I have been reading this dumbass "two more weeks" sentiment for like ten years now
>>747492192I think its more that they said "we want to focus on singleplayer games" and the games are fucking Wolverine in calibre. They are not seeing the forest of the trees.
>>747491634>nostalgia trapit's called having recognizable IPs, something nu-sony does not understand.
>>747492418>it's called having recognizable IPsThis is the cancer killing games far more than any HR department.
>>747488326hahahLemmie guess... - they will make a while lot of different changes yet they INSIST on keeping the exact things that made it flop.
>>747492136Racism is the vaccine to this disease.
>>747488475Because legacy IP get raped all the time, I think it's best if they stay dead.
>>747492234we must show support to our friends in the latin/a/e/o/la/li/lu/le/lo community
>>747489306ah the average snoyim
>>747489630>>747492192It's a Disney tie-in, there's too many strings attached to cancel that easy. This is meant to advertise Xmen joining the MCU. Sony was probably hoping this would ride the massive hype wave.
>>747492481strong IPs literally saved gaming, numbnuts
>>747492234latinaeiou~
>>747492906JOHN MADDEN
>>747492234Why is there constant attempts to create new forms of gobbledygook language every single day and then simultaneously those who pioneer the terminology get upset when no one uses it? I'm not going to speak your gibberish.
>>747488326How does killing physical do anything to prevent stupid management from throwing money into the barrel fireTheir choices currently at to be as safe as possible AND to force people to come to only their walled garden where they control prices and are not losing profits to physical disc discounts that vary from store to to store.
>>747492340I hope everyone working in western gaming shares your belief and stays the course. It would speed up the great replacement even more and that is ultimately the only durable solution here
>>747488414In 2 years they will pretend this never happened.
>>747488475You obviously didn't get the memo that they don't make video games anymore
Cool
>>747492481NTA but nothing wrong with having IPs that people recognize that’s why stuff like CoD is still so popular even tho it’s so fucking horrible
>>747489306How the hell do you know of Ico but not any of the other normieslop on that list?
>>747493443In 2 years they will triple down on it with support from the government actually.
>>747493732And shit like Call of Duty being a reliable money vacuum filled with bad business decisions is the cancer killing the game industry.
>>747493773And they will be right.I really hope the "Americans deserve 9/11" people are put in charge and finally start fixing some actual problems.
>>747492906>>747493041juan madden
>>747488414>typical corpo money-laundering fake charityYeah, thats where all the 400 mil went, not to wasting resources to make multiple live service slop to chase the Fortnite dragon.
>>747492481recognizable IPs is basically the only reason Nintendo is running laps around Sony
>>747494175I doubt.If Sony took control of Nintendo's IPs they'd run them to the ground in a few years.
>>747488475>more remakesplease make something original, thanks
>>747489749They want white working men dead, just because. And worship foreign aids niggers.
It's rather impressive just how large Sony is to have so many high-profile failures back to back and still be chugging along. But I'm sure they're slowly running out of room. Then again Sony is much more than its gaming division
>>747489182His pose is gayer than that flag
>>747494560>>more remakeswho are you quoting?
You stupid faggots are conflating two completely separate problems.The videogame market is already oversaturated on the singleplayer side where people just buy a game, play it until they complete it or they get bored and drop it, and then just buy another game. With multiplayer it's way worse because people who play those stick to a small handful of them and play them over a much longer duration. The end result is that the overwhelming majority of the overall playerbase is stuck in a small handful of active multiplayer games. You're never getting them away from those without doing something truly novel and appealing and you won't get those just by throwing a ton of money into a project. Concord would've flopped almost as badly as it did even if it had 0 woke and much better gameplay.The simple truth is that AAA development scale is completely unjustified for anything other than already proven franchises like GTA whose renown alone is enough to print a shitton of money. Of course you'll still have to release something that won't destroy your reputation and bury your money maker (up to whatever tolerance for shittiness your normalfag audience has), but this doesn't work in reverse: investment does not guarantee quality and quality does not guarantee sales.
>>747494175I don't know anon, both nintendo and sony made bad and good games in the past but sony made such homogenized slop from the PS3 onwards that I think they'd have no audience even if they had these IPs
>>747494175>Corpo making profitsNot that anon but I don't care about faggot corporate shareholders. I care about my medium and hobby developing, simply rehashing past successful titles or exclusives don't benefit the actual audience or medium.Nintendo coast off of cheap hardware and rereleasing their older better games. And initially they coasted off of what i deem the DSP phenomena, where in he wwas only famous due to being oje of the earliest gameplaying channels. Nintendo was early to the party in being the first to take advantage of the videogame crash and the first Japanese console technically. They weren't necessarily great, just early, except Nintendo aren't as stupid as DSP and have thus learned to.monetize their past success/early indoctrination. Nintendo produce very little new things that anyone wants to play, no matter how recognizable and exclusive they make it.
>>747492873Saved it from what?What do you think you know about gaming history?
>>747488326STOP WASTING MILLIONS ON WOKE SLOP THEN
>>747496029have you never heard of the video game crash?
>>747492785I laughed. Thank you. The left should be thanos snapped out of existence.
>>747488475Thanks for ruining my mood. Fuck snoy.
>>747495073>Concord would've flopped almost as badly as it did even if it had 0 woke and much better gameplay.What does that even mean. It literally wouldn't exist if it had 0 woke. It's whole conception is woke
>>747488475Killzone's supposedly in early development
>>747488475No. They will just stop making 1st party games and just make money from 3rd party % cut
>>747496820Honestly wish snoy would have let killzone rest in peace instead of exhuming its corpse just to rape it.
>>747489927I want to know how much of the budget was spent hiring Hollywood actors to be Kojima's friends
>>747496151I have and it seems stupid zoomers don't actually know what its about and why it happened. They made up a reason in their head to suit current day talking points.and this was regurgitated by clueless video essays on youtube that you all just repeat without critical thinking.
>>747488326>Paul TassiUnblock me Paul!
Can you imagine a world where only straight white Christians and Asians are allowed to develop games?
>>747492785The LaLiLuLeLotinos.
>>747488414>Sony partnered to bting immigrants with AIDSThis can't be real, I do not believe it. Big if true.
>>747497434>Straight >Christian >Asians You want a game about the Taiping Rebellion?
>>747492418>RECOGNIZABLE IPEEEEEEEES!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Aqr_tuQa24
>>747488326Based Concord. The AAA mindset has been one of the worst things to happen to video games ever. Fuck that shit, go back to making normal video games and just sell them to people without any bullshit. >hurr we're not making physical disks anymoreOh right, they can't resist bullshit. FUCK.
>>747497675https://x.com/Sony/status/1805296115148829166
>>747491753>>747488414It is real...@KalebPrimeKaleb@KalebPrimeJun 25, 2024Sony misheard people asking for games as "gays"
>>747497434They don't develop anything. They outsource to underpaid poors and brown people. As has been their history for centuries now, due to white laziness and inability to walk in the sunlight due to being ghouls who don't actually belong in the land they invaded.
>>747488414I've heard of foreign aids programs, but this seems different...
>>747497184Projecting retard
>>747497434>ChristiansBecause we really need games about protecting Israel
>>747489306Supreme bait, anon.
>>747488475>Legend of Dragoon>Implying they'd have the ballshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCqvHUk-qMw
>>747493065Anon... Fuck, just stop being anti-semitic. It's that fucking easy.
>>747497952Your first sentence is completely wrong. Thats the only thing we do, inventions and development. Rest is right though Chang.
>>747493065dude... just stop being anti-MMIWG2SLGBTQQIA+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEaHBKyTl1Q
>>747498719This. The last 50 years is white men struggling to keep the world afloat while jews and retarded white women destroy everything, eseentially.
>>747498719What about this side of the century. Its all America and China now.
>>747489306I haven't played most of those games but i still have heard of them.
>>747488475It's not simply a matter of Sony not wanting to bring the IPs back at this point, it's also a matter of them straight up just not having any talented developers left to work on them anymore. Do you really want to see Siren by Santa Monica, Gravity Rush by Insomniac or, god forbid, Jak & Daxter by Naughty Dog?
>>747489306Hey, look.A normie in the wild!
>>747499218Yea it is 1400-1950. As an Anglo leaf I don't really have a dog in this. I got my millions, legal zoomers and Banff. You empires have fun, please figure out climate change and immortality for me.
>>747499313Nigger I don't want ANY talented developers doin remakes or remasters. Do you faggots not understand that actual talented developers are a rare resource and should be used to make new things? Why would you want to keep remaking things that already exist? Use the people who are ACTUALLY good to make new shit! christ, you nostalgia fags are almost worse than the DEI people.
>>747489306Damn even low quality bait gets an impressive amoount of (you)s nowadays. Respect for the haul though.
>>747499748Wouldn't Canada be the one country (plus Russia) that would actually benefit from warming up?
>>747498719You steal credit of other peoples' work. Renowned for it in fact, that is why you invaded lands you're not native to. Only thing you invented was crooked contracts. You're functionally litigious Jews.
>>747494510NTA but if Pokemon was just some random game and released how it been doing lately people would call it hot trash and shame the devs but it has that name brand and can do no wrong
>to avoid another concord>after releasing another concord >and announcing a game that had such bad reception they had to remake it from the ground up>and they had to completely remake the gameplay on another one to a genre most surely will produce another concord Maybe I'm clinically blind, but I'm not seeing their master plan.
>>747500319>steal credit of other peoples' workWhich ones?
>>747489306Good bait anon, you made everyone angry with it kek
>>747499995Nobody in that reply chain said anything about remakes or remasters.
>>747488326200 million and 10 years dev time wasn't enough. Sony will now be committing 5 billion and 25 years dev time for their new games
>>747488326I genuinely don't think Sony knows why Concord failed.And if they're listening to faggot losers like Tassi who thought Concord failed because>ITS A SATURATED MARKET!then they will never learn their lessons. Good fuck Sony.
>>747500073October has become paradise. Issue is May - Aug is hell. Pure unrelentless constant Indian air quality. Im actually looking at moving to NZ. The cognitive impacts are fucked on studies, plus its now the 4th biggest killer in the US and its doing better than us.
>>747488475An sly Cooper as it is but without the retarded inverted camera controls would be top, really enjoyed playing the original on an emulator some years ago.
>>747488326>Sony concludes that the best way to avoid another Concord is to commit suicidegrim
>>747490553>You couldn't name the "propaganda" put out by Sony SHUTTHE FUCKUPNIGGER
>>747500795They honestly should have just ate the cost because kojima was working on a metal gear like game and that easily would have been a system seller and normalfags know metal gear and kojima
>>747500795kek pretty much and I hope they do, unfortunately those pozzed zipperheads will get bailed out
>>747500685>>747500685Oct though, paddle boarding in this. Nothing beats it.
>>747500919don't be rude pal
>>747488326And yet they made Marathon...
>>747498719Up till the late 15th century the dominant power in Europe was Muslims Moors. Wild hominid rheses monkey whites in the forest had to be introduced to soap by these Moors and Muslims, the last out of any people on the planet. You guys treated your drinking water sources like one big toilet while every other peolle on the planet had some manner of sewer system. The Thames river is renowned for being clowned on for how abominable it was.
>>747488475You bigot!! None of those things shoehorn LGBT issues!
>>747488793The US destroyed its own industries with terrible fiscal policy through the 80s and 90s, which led directly to the Ford crash. It's not that their labour is too expensive but that their manufacturing costs are too high across the board while the quality they produce is beneath 3rd world countries. They had to divest their industrial capacity to Mexico not because labour is cheap but because their factories are both more efficient and higher quality.
>>747495073>Concord would've flopped almost as badly as it did even if it had 0 woke and much better gameplay.The fuck kind of cope is this? There are other live service games released around Concord, and none did so horrendously.Even Highguard didn't bomb as hard as Concord, and if it had actually released with decent maps and a non retarded gameplay design, it might have survived.Concord flopping was almost entirely due to the absolutely horrendous design choices that made anyone with a brain instantly wary, which was then compounded by every bit of marketing that came after.
>>747501183Now, when she says "women", what is she talking about exactly?
>>747488326why did they double down on maratroon then?
>>747488326BAZZ!
>>747501625>Bungie's name>Not a battle royale>"Unique" aesthetics>NostalgiabaitIt's different enough they could tell themselves the problem with concord was market oversaturation and that wouldn't affect Marathon
>>747489182Vulvarine is FtM by the way, that's why he looks weird and both mocap actors were women.
>>747489492
>>747492906HOLA HOLA GET PESOS
>>747488326>Concord was so bad it's now destroying other games as well as Sony itselfThe gift that keeps on giving.
>>747498719Hu-uh, brownies will have melties. They can't face the truth. Without whites, their shitholes won't ever be Wakanda. Not now, not ever.
>>747488326Uh... but Marathon came out earlier this year.
>>747488414Leftoids don't care about the working class, health care, UBI they really only worships gay nigger aids You can't make this shit up
>Anything but admit woke propaganda is disgusting
>>747488475Always rememberThe money spent on Concord could have made 50 high quality Ape Escapes.To put the number into perspective.
>>747501201Everyone treated their water like a toilet retard, thats why life expectancies were the same everywhere in the 1500. Islamic Golden age was real, the elites were better educated than European elites, but overall the people lived the same all over the planet.Than as you know the 1500s something happened... and my ancestors got strong, well yours got weak. So much so you got treated like the bitches you are. Fast forward to today Im a comfy millionaire in Banff, well you are a seething poorfag turd world loser who has such big identity issues you seethe about us well speaking our language and obsessing about our media.Why dont you go too a Moore board and talk about their videogames you browncel, lol.
>>747500629>I genuinely don't think Sony knows why Concord failed.Oh they do. I bet it's perfectly clear and right on the tip of everyone's tongue. But they can't say it out loud. You can't say "people don't want to see gays and browns" even among executives. The commissars are everywhere. Think about how crazy it must feel being one of those execs. You know exactly what buttons to push, but you can't actually say it out loud. The best you can do is offer ineffective weak explanations. It's kind of glorious actually - they let the lefties in and now they have a gun to their head.
>>747488414Honestly prefer wokeshit to 80iq Christian nationalists America has to deal with
>>747488326This shit is so cynical. I know everyone bashed it, but as a company, you can't that much time and money into a project and then give up on it, even when it bombs. It set such a horrible precedent. It was like if CDPR had given up on CP2077, or SE on FFXIV. You have to zealously believe in your shit. Every execs head should have rolled, not for the failure, but for putting out something they didn't believe in in the first place.
>>747502720There's not much difference imo
>>747500319Do you think Im Chinese or Jewish. Your English is terrible and you are not communicating well.
>>747488326>company has financial failure>company adjusts to prevent repeating financial failureWOW!!! Really invigorating stuff OP, how can I prepare my dumb brain for such revelations??
>>747502838Because it's nu snoy. They make movies with button interactions. They are (and I say this without an ounce of malice) fucking retarded.
>>747502720I'm thinking you might be a brown sub 70IQ retard based on your post patterns
I want you to understand that I did nothing.
>>747502838The issue is CP2077 people were split down the midfle on. 50% of players liked the game. Everyone hated concord, so it wasn't tipping the balance but scaling the hatewall with a ton of negative momentum against you.
>>747489306that's decent bait
>>747489306i have touched exactly only two of those series and yet i know all the rest of them you cave exploring retard
>>747503865But then his point still stands doesn't it? You have no real attachment to any of them? Why would Sony want to remake or sequal any of these ancient fossils when there's not a critical mass of people who give a fuck?
>>747499317Half those games even a normie should have heard of. Even a game like Legend of Dragoon had a ton of press and even tv commercials. That dude's either a die hard nintendofag that ignored anything outside his bubble or, and more likely, a larping faggot.
>>747493065It helps the inner circle weed out those pesky unbelievers that dare question the new words or asks what they mean. It's also a means of forcing newspeak, of 1984 fame. Same goes for niggerbabble. A faction that can't communicate properly, can't organize properly.
>>747502680No. Given budgets and inefficient work teams, it might have made three games.
>>747488326Bullshit, they literally hired the character designers of Concord to work to work on Wolverine.
>>747504084>But then his point still stands doesn't it?no it really doesn'ti couldn't recognize a single taylor swift song if it was all played to me randomly inbetween other songs and i was told to identify which songs were hersyet i recognize that she's unfortunately popular
>>747504117>should have heard ofWow, "heard of". What a great reason to pour 100 million into rebooting such illustrious stuff! Let's reboot Columbo into an open world detective RPG while we're at it.
>>747501585>what is she talking about exactlyMy guess is that it's real, with a working womb women, not women (male).
>>747504369>yet i recognize that she's unfortunately popularYes, she's popular TODAY. None of the games in that list are. They are dead. They WERE popular among people who are now approaching 40. There's no reason to reconstitute them when you could be making new things.
>>747491453so they can pretend those aren't also concords
>>747493987>I really hope the "Americans deserve 9/11" people are put in charge and finally start fixing some actual problems.Yeah, like the massive problem of people having food on their table and not being forced to eat their newborn babies.
>>747503427>The issue is CP2077 people were split down the midfle on.My understanding (having not touched it but kept up with the release) is that 90% of CP2077's problem on release was just being really buggy, which is basically the only way that a major release from a well-liked developer can go badly, because bad bugs are super visible, objective, and clippable into short viral clips, while general shitty design is hard for a lot of people to pick up on, particularly when they're desperate to like the game.So a game like that just getting polished of bugs was always going to cause a turn-around of reputation.
HR GAMES
>>747502671>UBI they really only worships gay nigger aidsRemember how they decriminalized purposefully infecting with AIDS in california because it somehow was LGBTphobic?Just don't mind all the gay men who are now carrying a death sentence on their bodies because some asshole that was infected passed the virus on them without their knowledge.
>>747505046>all the gay men who are now carrying a death sentence on their bodiesHow is life in 1989
>>747505178Even worse when it comes to HIV rates on faggots.
>>747503306>brown sub 70IQ retardIsn't that most Christians?
>>747488674>Hunters GatheringThey did kinda admit they fucked up and said it's not live service anymore and gave the team a deadline of the end of the year to present a new version of the game. I guess they'll cancel it if the new version looks bad?
>>747488921Based economic terrorist chad
When you look at the design efforts this generation from PlayStation it's clear their entire mantra was to create a new Audience, that we seasoned veterans have become old and sterile and our ways of thinking are toxic and cruel. That's why you get a concord making it past all the checks and balances. From the top down they all hate us. The reason it's taken them this long to acknowledge any semblance of a defeat is Because that would mean they ideologically oppose it's very customers who clearly exist but are not happy and they now have to look those people, whom they despise, in the eye and provide an update, even though they were hoping their work efforts would work and they wouldn't have to awkwardly walk it all back.
>>747501564>There are other live service games released around Concord, and none did so horrendously.The vast majority of AAA ones failed to return their investment capital, which is a textbook definition of flop. Concord and Highguard were merely "it'll be cheaper to shut down the servers than to keep them online and collect the extra few expected sales" disasters in comparison.The whole point of my argument is that AAA games need to get on the "best selling games of all time" list to make any money at all and therefore be worth making in the first place. Making AAA original franchises without an assurance of success is either a retarded gamble by morons who in a fair world should've never had the money they have, or an overpriced leftist political advertisement.
>>747505612Shouldn't you be pretending that Israel is part of the "West"?
>>747488414>Sony actively works to put HIV positive blacks in YOUR hometownOkay, as if I needed a reason to never give them another penny.
>>747506430Additionally, we saw this same exact game plan with social media. Before Twitter was purchased by musk, it was a safe haven for leftist ideology, with even a hint of right leaning interpretation being struck down as wrong think. The powers that he's excuse? If you don't like it (they were hoping you would not) go somewhere else. Sony won't admit this publicly but that's what all their studios have been trying to do. It's finally caught up to them.
>>747489306>I'm <age>means jack shit if you're a casual whose gaming history is shallower than a woman.
>>747506473>Making AAA original franchises without an assurance of success is either a retarded gambleThere is no assurance of success. Not at the scales they need. That's why the spectrum of AAA games that get made these days is so narrow. They're only willing to try things that have been shown to be successful, because it's so damn expensive to make. But even that doesn't work because dev times are so long they end up late to the party and no one gives a shit. The only practical solution to AAA woes is to bring dev cycles back to 3 years max. At least then you can somewhat predict what the audience will care about. And of course, that'll dial back budgets.
>>747506731You're no enthusiast for recognizing footnote snoy shovelware by name, I assure you. In fact, casuals are more likely to know any of this trash because they got it pushed on them with the console, being one of the few games they ever played along with their choice of swarthy ball.
>>747492785The patriots...
>>747498719The sexagon of accomplishment. Niggers will never understand.
>>747505612>Bible says you will be misunderstood constantly as a ChristianRetards incidentally prove the Bible right Everytime they threw a jab lol
>>747504821Id disagree but there was so many disagreements and views on it. I do agree with your general thesis though.It was very buggy but even had it launched perfectly there still was too much whiplash IMO. Witcher 3 was in the running for GotD, and we went from that to a FPS. Bug free would have been a good FPS but still. I bought it at launch, hated it. Played it last year, 8/10 game with some really neat ideas and a 10/10 ending but id still rather it never existed.Instead of CP2077 and Starfeild id rather be playing Witcher 5 and Elder Scrolls 7 now.My favourite viewpoint though is the coomers. I guess at launch it had a lot more pussy, with some rubbed in your face, and they think its been down hill with every patch.
>>747503427Look up FFXIV's story. It was a complete failure. They canceled it like Concord, but built a new version and that became a huge success. Anyone who watched the Secret Levels thing knew there was something there. They would have had to scrap a lot of the work, maybe turned the heroes people didn't like into NPCs, maybe even changed the game design completely. The amount of resources poured into the project, it's functionally impossible for it to be a complete lost cause.
>>747507336Kek
>>747490095>>747490136You guys realize if somethings not out on PC then it might as well not exists, right?
>>747504821CP2077 wasn't rehabilitated until Edgerunners dropped. Without that, even with the fixes, it still would have carried the initial stigma (not just of the bugs, but quibbles people had with the setting, gameplay loop, etc.). Edgerunners gave it certifiable sauce and it was off to the races.
>>747506473>retarded gamble And yet they keep being retarded gamblers, retardo!You do not understand because you ignore the main component in this is greed and theft. It's totally possible to make a successful new IP but it's impossible with capitalist jews and their adjacent pseudo jews like Bobby Kotick because why get a 5% return? I can just scam people with the housing market and make more than 5% return, the game therefore needs to make 30%+ return.
>>747507005>There is no assurance of success.Tell that to GTA, Pokemon, FIFA, Call of Duty, etc. At some point you're popular enough that your name itself is a perpetual motion marketing machine. There's quite a few other franchises like Hollow Knight whose AAA games - had they existed - would've been guaranteed to sell many millions as long as they're not technical disasters, don't have dogshit/nonexistent gameplay and don't go maximum overwoke.
>>747488475Hopefully never. Just look at what current year developers did to fucking HOMEWORLD of all things.
AAA gaming has been a plague. If Sony does end up killing it that will be the one good thing they've done in years.
>>747488414>hiv positive immigrantsWe truly live in a world
>>747488475a lot of those are too """problematic""" to bring back
>>747507031>footnoteLBP was absolutely huge on PS3, get real
>>747507593FFXIV is different. First of all, FFXIV 1.0 did not cost upwards of $400M to make. Concord already cost so much that throwing even more money at it would seem insane. Second, FFXIV was part of the Final Fantasy brand, Square Enix's biggest brand, and letting it die would cause irreparable harm to all future Final Fantasy games.Third, Square Enix cancelled or delayed a whole swath of games under development at the time they decided to fix FFXIV. The equivalent for SIE would be to delay/cancel games like Marathon, Wolverine, Laufrey, Intergalactic, Spider-Man 3, etc. Maybe the bad games getting cancelled wouldn't be so bad, but Sony would basically have a multi-year gap in releases as a result.Lastly, rebooting FFXIV probably cost Square Enix more money than they have ever spent on a video game. If Concord cost $400M, then remaking it could've added not just $400M more but maybe $800M more for a total of over $1B. Cause that's what SE had to do with FFXIV. They had to not just give it the resources it had with the first failed version, but even more to fix all the issues the first version had. Basically, you're saying Sony should have spent as much money on Concord as Take-Two has probably spent on GTA 6. Also, SE's CEO lost his job for FFXIV 1.0.
>>747489989>What games do you fucking play lolFrom the 1996-2004 era (which im assuming most of these random names are from)>aoe2>rainbow six>ja2>alpha centauri>bg1 + bg2>nfs3 and 4>quake3>commandos>blood1+2>alice>rune>jk2 and jedi academy>cs>iwdAnyway, looking up some of these names most of these seem to be console games
>>747506430I assure you the Jap execs have zero fucks. They just want money and kept hearing progressivenism sells. Some anon had the perfect post talking like a Jap exec in racist tones, about how they just want yo give us what we want but we get upset everything they try to give it to us. Funniest shit ever.>What do ru want. You say the main characters are too gaijen so we giver you niggers, you say games have to many niggers after so we giver you women. The women complain they are too sexist so we butch them up. The butch women are than too ugly. Just tell me what ru want!
>>747488326why is sony so pathetic
>>747508504>most of these seem to be console gamesOh come on, really?
>>747493859CoD hasn't been killing anything, it's gotten so bad that sony's AAA game template is worse than nu-CoD. That's not meant as praise for CoD, but rather a damnation on Playstation Studios' output.
>>747488326Concordbros....not like this...
>>747504473as opposed to making a brand new IP with Concord only for it to bomb?How's Marathon doing?Do you think Horizon Hunters Gathering has a chance, mayhaps?
>>747508569?Yes, really? Console games, as in: never succeded enough for someone to bother porting them to main gaming platform aka PC?
>>747508506You do not remember the Wikileaks of Sony 12 years ago? Sony is Jews, not Japanese.
>>747488475>>The Legend of Dragoonass>>Twisted Metalass>>Drive Clubass>>SOCOMass>>Motostormoutdated concept>>Fat Princesswhat?>>Tokyo Jungleass>>Warhawk/Starhwaklol>>Ape Escapeyes please>>PaRappaass>>Resistanceass>>Killzoneass>>Jack and Daxterass>>Gravity Rushyes please>>Sly Cooperchildren's game>>Sirenass>>Syphon Filteroutdated concept>>Infamousoutdated concept>>Wild Armsass>>Wipe Outass>>MediEvilass>>Dark Cloudrancid ass>>The Gatewayass>>Jet Motoass>>Tearawayass>>LittleBigPlanetoutdated concept>>LocoRocoass>>Ico, SotC, The Last Guardianass, double ass, triple asstry again
>>747507593The point you are making is very intresting. I had to pause and think about it as it made sence. Again though, FF14 had fans. They had people who wanted to cheer it on. They had the past momentum to push them over the fuck up.Concord didnt even have any of that.
>>747508790You are the reason Playstation is dying, normgroid.
>>747508748Thats how I know how young you are. Pretty much every single game there started as PC exclusives, many of them remaining that way for years.
>>747508770That surprises me. It shouldnt as it makes sence for every billion dollar company. I just thought Japan would be the one Western exception and be like China and Saudi Arabia.
>>747508858>Playstation is dyingYou can hate it, despise it, shit on it, and more. But Playstation has never been more successful.
>>747504821I was one of the "cybershills". The game was a tenth of what was promised, but also it was a game that filtered all the normalfags who expected gta77. All because of the retarded marketing.I always thought it was a massively flawed game but there's soul beneath the broken promises and cut content, kinda like Spore.The writing was pretty solid and the expansion was great, but i'd be lying if i said Edgerunner wasn't a massive pr boost that got people to give it a second look.If you are curious about the game it's worth a pirate, it's a gog game, so it has no drm.I have no trust for the sequel, cdpr went full pozz since then.
>>747508790Is Papa the Rappa Ass. I owned a PS1 but never had it. After 30 years I wonder if its time, hit the nostalgia brain centers.
>>747508569>>747508930Boco is being a fucking retard as usual. He was talking about these games >>747488475 not the game he just listed himself.
>>747508801Concord had the modern audience cheering it and downplaying doubters. But they had no one at their open beta lmao
>>747508858you will never be white
>>747507031you're not from this website
>>747509130Oh. Alright then.Man, I miss reading about all those new games, PS1 and PC alike, in Gamepro.
>>747488475>>Jack and Daxter in a world of AI shit, this anon typed all those titles by hand>>747489306which makes this even more embarrasing. /pol/ tourist would be my guess, probably from r/the_donald
>>747488414>HIV-Positive Immigrantsb-but why?
>>747508427Ah yes, right up there with fucking Afrika, back when no living being had a PS3. PS3 by the way. Of all fucking things, PS3. The age on this site keeps going down.
>>747489749To weaken your voting power blocThat’s itThat’s the entire purposeThe left only exists as an anti white coalition now, nothing more.This is why I can’t fucking stand boomer right wingers trying to argue with them.You kill people like this, nothing debate them.
>>747492906FOOTBALL
>>747488326Take note when they say this and take the entirely wrong lesson from it, only for it to get worse because of it.>people wanted more/better skins in the shops, so all future games will come preloaded with a huge cash shop>we should've released the animations first so people can learn about the characters, so all future games will have cartoons/movies made in advance-and so on.>>747503427Regarding that pic, that's also why reviewers and journalists outright tell you what to think, or what "other people" think.I skim MSN's news fairly regularly and not only do journalists love to do the "this is good and here's why" or "[thing] is a huge hit" types of reports and titles, and the comments sections tend to include a lot of bots (skim any political article and the bots will go full ham defending the Dems.)Hey reply to this post or your mother will die in her sleep tonight, by the way.Between the 300k posts from Hugh Mann made in his two years of being on MSN (with 301k likes because he likes his own posts) telling you that Star Wars 7 is good, and the journalist themselves saying Rey is the best character ever, you're gonna get some people who forget how shit 7 was and put on corporate mandated rose-tinted goggles.A special shoutout goes to COVID, as it took a mere month or two to go from "the jabs are rushed, I'm not taking the rushed Rump vax. Project Lightspeed? More like Project SHIT!" to "I filled out my vax card yesterday, so I got it tattooed on my arm, yippee! Thanks Biden! God bless Fauci!">>747502838Nah. You gotta watch for red flags and make your calls based on that.The best example right now is Marathon (and Highguard). Doesn't matter what they do, what they add, the CCU isn't going up. There's no recovery. Highguard upped the team sizes like the fans wanted and nobody returned to play it. Marathon had a F2P week and the numbers died after 3 days despite being fuckin' FREE. People wanted PVE and that gave the game a ~2 day bump.
>>747488414How will the gaped snoyggers cope about their supposedly based slit eye yellow skinned jews doing this? Not even the jeeta from xshits could be this brazen.
>>747490553I don’t even know what you’re trying to say.
>>747509170Id love to have known the kind of people who bought it. What were these 124 souls like. Was it obscenely Rich white 12 yrolds who get a new game every day, or obese Trans black people. I kind of wish I had bought it just to check it out on day one. Also really wish the code had released.Playing a Drawn together version with /v/irgins could have been hilarious.
>>747488326>>747488414>Going in on Woke and live service crashed our company>Instead of abandoning those two very things, lets focus on cutting costs in other areasElon was right about the Woke Mind Virus. There is no other explanation for this retardation.
>>747509509What is that catmonster and why is it such hard-core bonerfuel?
>>747509068EXTREMELY misleading chart.A real masterclass in corporate wankery designed to fellate investors.For starters, labeling these blocks of fiscal years as strictly 'PS5' or 'PS4' generations is extremely misleading. These numbers represent the entire Game & Network Services division - that means the massive 'PS5' totals are heavily padded by the 100+ million PS4 users who were still buying digital games, paying for PS Plus, and purchasing microtransactions between 2020 and 2024 (and PS+ makes up a significant chunk of that revenue)It also completely ignores inflation. Comparing 1995 nominal dollars to 2024 nominal dollars makes modern growth look explosive, but it's modest at best. Also, look at the tightening margins...gross revenue and operating income are at an all-time high, the cost to generate that money has skyrocketed. Developing AAA slop (Concord, Wolverine, Laufey) now costs upwards of $200–$300 million, and hardware production is more expensive than ever what with RAMageddon. Sony is generating record-breaking cash flow, but they are working drastically harder and relying heavily on third-party digital cuts and axxing of physical media just to maintain their baseline profit margins.God what slimy bastards who made that chart.
>>747488326can't release a game and unrelease it after it flops if you cancel it and never release it in the first placesony's decisionmaking has been absolutely horrendous lately. the total lack of games that they've managed to get out the door in the last decade is genuinely something that they should be ashamed about for the rest of time. the opportunity costs of their failed projects are enormous, and we all had to suffer for their incompetence
>>747509929Don't encourage him.
>>747488475why would they do that? they decided they don't make games anymore, that's why nothing has come out for like 15 years now
>>747509929No Anon. Do not fuck Pokemon.
>>747509734>hero casually copping a feel while holding foxy backDammit I love that show. You notice a new detail every time.
>>747510238I like his grin.
>>747488414>we NEED AIDS niggers!
>>747490553Chalk up another win for MillennialWoes.
>>747510008>(and PS+ makes up a significant chunk of that revenue)let's not forget they increased the monthly fee for PS+ as well (TWICE since 2020), an ezpz way to make the "line go up" for them. It's revenue for doing...nothing!
>they are making decisions specifically to avoid another concord>wolverine happensexplain
>>747488414why would anyone want immigrants with AIDS?
>>747510605Toxic positivity, I bet.
>>747488475>classic IPs>The Legend of DragoonOne game that got shat on at release and only remembered by retards who played it as their first JRPG is hardly a classic.
>>747510008PS3 padded PS4PS2 padded PS3PS1 padded PS2 Makes no difference cause people still transitioned off the PS4 and the PS5 has sold 90M units. And of course the PS+ makes up a lot of that revenue. A lot of that revenue comes from non-Sony games as well. Did you know that Valve's revenue source is 90% non-Valve games? Adjust for inflation. The PS5 "era" still significantly beats out past generations. You could actually combine all previous generations, MINUS the PS3 generation and the PS5 generation will still beat them ADJUSTED for inflation.>Developing AAA slop (Concord, Wolverine, Laufey) now costs upwards of $200–$300 million, and hardware production is more expensive than ever what with RAMageddon. Sony is generating record-breaking cash flow, but they are working drastically harder and relying heavily on third-party digital cuts and axxing of physical media just to maintain their baseline profit margins.That's the funny thing. Despite ALL of these bad events, the Playstation 5 era is still BY AND FAR the most profitable and successful generation ever. If those things had not happened, the PS5 generation would've been even MORE successful.
>>747492340And it's here. The owner of the engine everyone's using throwing up his hands and calling it a crash enough for you, cocksucker?
>>747510593>It's revenue for doing...nothing!It's how the best in the business succeed. And as Playstation transitions from a software developer like Nintendo into a purely distribution platform like Steam, it'll only become more successful.
>>747510808No, that's how you piss off your consumer base and make them jump ship
>>747509509Meowscarada hips
>>747490503>>747490327>>747488681other than the gay ass player sexual shit, that you could brush off as player sexual shit, bg3 isn't woke until you get act 3. both the trannies are in act 3, most of the nonwhites are in act 3. There are like all of 3 major nonwhite characters in acts 1 and 2 because all of the characters are fantasy races, there's fantasy racism and other than the player sexual shit, the only fag shit is a pair of closeted bisexual chicks, one of whom tries to invite you to a threesome, a pair of lesbians and then the gnomes are all homos but it's easy to miss that detail since it's background dialogue while you're walking around and at first I thought the dude was talking about his dad or something.you don't get the >my husbandshit until act 3 and most players never made it to act 3
>>747488414are the nips still mad about the bombs
>>747501519no, it's because other countries have cheaper labor and just dump their pollution into rivers and oceans>labourgood morning SAAR!
>>747489306For reference, I'm a year younger than you, and aside from the ones you mentioned, I know of>The Legend of Dragoon>Twisted Metal>SOCOM>Motostorm>Warhawk/Starhwak>Ape Escape>PaRappa>Resistance>Jack and Daxter>Gravity Rush>Sly Cooper>Siren>Syphon Filter>Infamous>Wild Arms>Wipe Out>Dark Cloud>The Gateway>Jet Moto>LittleBigPlanet>LocoRocoIn other words, you're a casual. And the fuck do you know about Medieval and not Wipeout or Twisted fucking Metal? Was that literally the only PS1 game you had?>>747507765Some of the early PS1 games had PC ports like Wipeout. And even then some of them were straight mainstream big with normie audiences. Even if you didn't play them, you heard of them in passing.
>>747510863Oh, yea. The Snoys are gonna rush to Nintendo for the bingbing wahoos, to Xbox for Kojima cock and a soon to be dead platform, and to Steam only to learn they're too stupid to understand how a PC works.
>>747510238Kek, I always laugh at his eyes, never noticed the hands.
>>747488414We need to bring back the HUAC
>>747492906Here comes another Californian Earthquakedeideideideideideideideidei
>>747510708>did you know valve makes more money on selling these 100000+ games they didn't make than the half a dozen games did they did make?Are you being retarded on purpose or were you repeatedly dropped on the head as a child?
>>747489658You're just outing yourself as someone who literally didn't pay attention to games outside of what you had to play in your own house. In other words, you never really cared about games as a hobby.
>>747511005>just dump their pollution into rivers and oceanssounds like something one big third world country was famous for
>>747507765You’re cleanly a retard or underage because they clearly knew about ps1 games so them not know about those games is strange. Even pc only and Xbox fans know fucking sly cooper and ape escape
>>747488475They just axed kojimbo because his games sell like shit and cost too much and you expect them to make more shit like ico and the last guardian?
>>747489314both death strandings underperformed
>>747488475Lmao at this lost. All crusty shit to be avoided minus one or two of them. Every PS was clearly a third party centered system
>>747508504>Anyway, looking up some of these names most of these seem to be console gamesWooooow, a thread about a console manufacturer and people are talking about console games no shitWhat country are you from?
>>747511204Yea, that's why Valve is so successful. They're not in the video game making business. They're in the video game distribution business. And Playstation is headed that way, too. Playstation doesn't want to be Nintendo. It wants to be like Gabe and that's a good thing.
>>747490002those were in development long before playstation decided to change course
>>747511468A lazy fat ass?
>>747511468Cant wait for this faggot glazed jew to die
>>747511357yeah, yurop
>>747511567That's right. >>747511630That's why he's successful and you're not. If Gabe were you, he would kill you instead of waiting for you to die.
>>747511667Look at him go. He really thought he was making history here. Fucking jew piece of shit.
>>747505259Honestly all those sluts deserve it for fucking anyone. Decent gay men are in long, loyal relationships and do more than just fucking or orgies
>>747510708>PS5 has sold 90M unitsMissing the point.Hardware units sold doesn't magically validate a severely distorted graph designed to trick investors. Sony's own Q1 FY2026 Consolidated Financial Results show that hardware unit shipments plummeted 36% year-on-year. The console is moving fewer units over time, which is exactly why they are stretching bars on slides to keep up appearances.>The PS5 generation beats all previous generations combined minus PS3 adjusted for inflationThis math is pulled from your ass. The PS1 and PS2 combined moved over 260 million boxes. More importantly, development cycles weren't 7 years long back then, meaning actual profit margins on software were exponentially higher than they are today where games cost 300 gorillion dollarydoos.>PS+ makes up a lot of that revenueit's around ~15% of playstation revenue last I checked. Not exactly swimming in cash over those subs, they earn a lot more from DLC/MTX like little timmies buying their fortnite vbux. They're barely keeping their profit margins alive by taking a 30% digital cut on third-party live-service MTX from whales playing fortnite and COD. Record-breaking revenue inflated by $70 MSRPs, forced PS+ price hikes, and killing physical media doesn't mean the ecosystem is "healthy" - it means they're squeezing a stagnant cesspool of snoys for everything they're worth because their first-party output is abysmal.>picgraph scaling are completely out of whack to, once again, try to make it look better than it really is.Slimy bastards as always.>>747511082I wouldn't be so facetious anon, a lot of them already are jumping ship due to the physical bs.>>747511468>And Playstation is headed that way, tooPSN's service is utter dogshit. Remind me, how many hacks and major outages have they had so far? How many has Valve had?I rest my case.Hackers are working around the clock RIGHT NOW to fuck the PS5's ass raw, that's how pissed people are at Snoy today.
>>747512016>PSN's service is utter dogshit.Don't forget never lowering prices. Which is what they want, especially when PS6 makes it unavoidable.
>>747493065those are words from modern academia brought to the public
>>747512117They've actually been increasing the prices very recently with some form of "dynamic" pricing system that charges most users a lot more than the typal sale price. Sure, the normgroid cattle won't notice (at first) but people will wisen up to what's going on. Not like there'll be used games as an option either, they'll be stuck in that ecosystem, at least Valvefags don't have to be stuck with Steam on PC - they choose to since the service works for them and the prices remain competitive. PS Store doesn't need to be competitive with anything in a closed ecosystem.
>>747488475>Sly CooperAs much as it pains me not even Sucker Punch wants to work on ithttps://youtu.be/ffOTS1CkZVg?t=461
>>747512016>hacksEvery ~18 months on average, last I checked. It happens so often you have to follow specialized news to even hear about it now.
>>747507814edgerunners was dogshit
>>747512342It honestly would have to be remade, completely forget the fourth game, or re do the story of the 4th game
>>747501183i remember tina from 1up. she used to love sexy women in games. she had the character from wet as the pfp for a while. then a switch flipped in the 2010s and she went feminist.
>>747512016>Hardware units sold...You're missing the point. People still transitioned to the PS5 and so the contribution of the PS4 during the PS5 era decreased over time. Not only that, but the PS5 generation will continue into the PS6 era and so there's a lot more money the PS5 generation will continue to make.>This math is pulled from your ass.If you wanna talk about revenue and currencies. Hardware units don't inflate. A PS1 sold in 1996 is still one unit. And despite development cycles getting longer and budgets getting bigger, the PS5 era is still the most successful PS generation ever.>it means they're squeezing a stagnant cesspool of snoys for everything they're worth because their first-party output is abysmal.Go look at Steam, Nintendo, Xbox and any other industry. Whales dominate because the wealthiest people in the world spend the most money. That's as healthy as it's gonna get. If you want a video game example, what you're looking are the Mecha Chameleons of the world. Console games are expensive compared to $5 indie games that go viral. >graph scalingYou're free to look up the numbers.>a lot of them already are jumping ship due to the physical bs.Oh, yea. That's why digital only GTA 6 has already made half a billion in pre-order sales with 90% of pre-orders being the $100 version. You said it yourself, Sony makes most of its money from live service games. That's where most Snoys are. The physical, single-player gamers are a dying demographic and they're also graphic whores. But cheap graphic whores. They don't wanna spend $5k for a top of the line PC. But they do want high-end graphics. Where else are they gonna go? >PSN's service is utter dogshit. It is dogshit. I didn't say it was good or as good as Steam. I said that's where Playstation is headed. That's what they want to be. They would be fine dumping the entirety of Playstation studios and they probably will in time.
>>747500919Yikes! Woke 1 was cringe. Glad we moved on to gay muslim marxism and away from gay far-left capitalism.
>>747512948>They would be fine dumping the entirety of Playstation studios and they probably will in time.This is the only part where your corporate cheerleading completely detaches from reality. Sony can’t just turn PSN into a passive toll booth without first-party exclusives. If they dump PS Studios, they lose the only moat keeping people inside their walled garden. Without Marvelslop, God of War, or TLoU, a PS6 is literally just an expensive, locked-down PC that requires a paid subscription to play peer-to-peer multiplayer. If there’s zero exclusive software hook, the casual market will eventually just move to PC or whatever open hardware architecture handles the 30% digital cuts better.Fuck, the Japanese market is already jumping ship to Switch 2 instead.>Where else are they gonna go?They're going to PC."5k top of the line PC" is a midwit take; a mid-range rig costs nowhere near that and pays for itself within two years simply because you aren't paying an annual $80–$160 host fee just to use your own internet, and you actually get open marketplace competition for software keys without the dynamic pricing BS Sony is pulling with their service. Sony was aggressively porting its first-party catalog to Steam for a reason - they knew the console hardware ecosystem is hitting a hard ceiling. Now they want to change course to compete with Steam, and they're gonna lose that battle hard once the 999 US DOLLARS PS6 launches.>Whales A stagnant pool of whales isn't "health," it’s extreme vulnerability. If Epic or Activision decide to shift weight or negotiate a lower platform cut because they hold all the leverage, Sony's record-breaking revenue collapses quickly. Running a hardware platform where your entire margin is dictated by three third-party live-service games is not a sustainable long-term business model.
>>747492906NO GUYS WE NEED TO EXPLORE
>>747500919>>747490553what do trannies have to do with vidya games?I fucking hate sodomites and troons so fucking much>>747513565that's not what woke 2 or whatever the fuck they are saying they are doing now is. woke 1 was that gayass vid. woke 2 is the same homos holding the same beliefs but like trying to distance themselves from all of the faggot shit they did or said because most Americans hate homos and woke shit and the commies want to appear more electable without outright contradicting what they already said. Like pretty much every woke social policy or thing you can think of is super unpopular outside of killing babies, because (as you can see from the baby murder trial) that's the single most important issue to roasties
>>747488326Uhhh maybe you should fire the guy who greenlit it you fucking retards. No, let's just cancel the mgs spiritual sequel instead and retain hermen who keeps making suicidal buisiness decisions
>>747489306>all of the seething replies in the comment calling this baitI agree with you anon. If you weren't a dedicated Sony fag stuck with a nogaems machine, you were playing better games than 90% of this shovelware. I've heard of MOST of the games on the list, but some pretending like games like Resistance, Siren, Warhawk, Dark Cloud, Tokyo Jungle, FAT princess, the gateway, tearaway, locoroco, etc are household names are fucking delusional. Maybe if you were big on PS3 at the time you heard of that crap but your average person was playing shit like GTA, Far Cry, Halo etc.
>>747512930There isn't a single game journalist from that era that didn't join the cult.
>>747513606>This is the only part...The casual market doesn't play on consoles or PC. They play on phones. And most Snoys play third-party games. They do not give a shit about first-party games. And with Xbox soon dead, why would anyone leave? For worse graphics and late ports on the Switch? For PC which console gamers are too stupid to know how to use? Sony doesn't need exclusives anymore, because 90% of their revenue come from people too invested in the PSN ecosystem to leave.>They're going to PC...They're not.They're too stupid to know how a PC works. However, there are people who were already on PC that only bought a Playstation for first-party games. Those were just PC gamers stupid enough to spend hundreds of dollars on a console for a handful of games. Those aren't Snoys and their contribution to Playstation's bottom line is minimal. >Sony was aggressively porting its first-party catalog to Steam for a reason And PS didn't port their games to Steam for PC gamers. They ported their games to Steam for Chinese gamers. Because China banned consoles for decades to build up their own homegrown video game industry. Now, they dominate the mobile and PC market and if you want access to hundreds of millions of Chinese gamers, you need to be on phones or PC. That's what Sony wanted. 1/2
>>747488326They're doing a shit job at that, innit.
>>747513606>A stagnant pool of whales isn't "health," it’s extreme vulnerability.Then every industry is extremely vulnerable. Here are some bullshit but believable numbers:>90% of Epic's profits are from Fortnite>90% of Activision's profits are from CoD>90% of EA's profits are from Sports games>90% of Capcom's profits are from RE/MH>90% of SE's profits are from FFXIV>90% of Nintendo's profits are from Mario/Pokemon, but they're moving into the theme park and movie business to diversify so they can become the Disney of Asia.Valve made $15B in 1H 2026 with 400 employees. by just being the one place on PC everyone buys video games. Pretty fragile that everyone depends on just one platform. Hmmm, maybe there should be less vulnerability and you should support Epic Games Store. That's you. That's your logic.2/2
>>747489306either bait or total normie
I have made new strict rules for games; new, more strict milestone goals for our developers going forward so we can avoid release disasters like Concord.But Naughty Dog doesn't count, they can have 600 million more dollars. And Haven doesn't count, they get more money to make Project Espresso (formerly Break In) (formerly Fairgames) (formerly Fairgame$). And Guerilla Games doesn't count, I have just given them 3.5 billion dollars for more Horizon sequels.
>>747488793>There's a reason manufacturing got outsourcedYeah, because of basic greed.>THE WORKERS WANT LIVING WAGES?>OY VEY IDS ANUDDA SHOA>THINK OF THE SHAREHOLDERS
>>747514996NTA, but the video game industry's biggest risk is losing the attention battle to non-vidya stuff like Tiktok, Netflix, streaming, and whatever the hell else.The fact that Sony has to squeeze its current customer pool is proof they aren't healthy and are bolstered by the PS3 era type of arrogance of thinking they're the best game in town. And that anon is right about gamers diversifying and going to PC. The biggest thing holding back that tide right now is the memory shortage, otherwise disruptor pseudo consoles like the Steambox would be major contenders.
>>747489306>37Damn, you lived a shit life if you haven't heard of at least 50%+ of those games. I'm a PCfag and I at least know the majority of the stuff listed.Really? No Twisted Metal? PaRappa? Jak and Daxter??? Syphon Filter?? Wild Arms? Dark Cloud?? Ape Escape??LMAOOO
>>747514919>>747514996>First-party doesn't matter, people only buy consoles for third-party gamesFirst-party exclusives are the hook that gets people to buy the box in the first place. Nobody is going to drop $600+ on a locked-down PS6 just to play Fortnite and Call of Duty when they can play those exact same free-to-play games on a PC, phone, or laptop without paying an annual $80–$160 subscription tax just to access multiplayer.If Sony kills its first-party pipeline, it kills the entry point to its entire ecosystem. Even Sony knows this which is why they're scrambling to find IPs with wide appeal that actually stick.>Console gamers are too stupid to use a PCThis isn't 2010. Handhelds like the Steam Deck and pre-builts completely eliminated the accessibility gap years ago and it's only going to get better as Linux gaming matures (alongside whatever-the-fuck MS is doing for Windows). PC gaming is a console-like experience already by now, without the anti-consumer dynamic pricing BS and forced subscription fees.>China strategyYou're right about Sony chasing the Asian PC market, but you fail to realize that putting their games on Steam just gives Western console owners another massive reason to ditch PlayStation hardware and migrate to an open ecosystem. Sony has been actively training its audience to realize they don't need a console anymore. Sure, casuals may not care but the core audience has already picked up on this a while ago and they're what drive innovation and consumer interest in this market.Enthusiasts are the market tastemakers. Nintendo knows this, even Microsoft knows this (they learnt the hard way and have failed to catch-up since), but Sony lost sight of it.
>>747515351>the video game industry's biggest risk...The video game industry has never been bigger, has never been more successful, and has never been more accessible than it is today. It is at no "risk" to those things. They're are competitors for people's free time and attention, because they are entertainment products at the end of the day and so are video games. But the "video game industry" is not at "risk". It just needs to compete. >The fact that Sony has to squeeze its current customer pool is proof they aren't healthy...Playstation is squeezing its customers cause it can. If PS was actually losing enough customers and revenue and profits from their price hikes, they would stop. Snoys have deep, deep pockets and are very irresponsible consumers.>And that anon is right about gamers diversifying and going to PCGamers are not diversifying and going to PC. Do you know where they are going? Mobile. Because that's where half of gamers are. At least, according to your logic.The reality is there's very little mobility between platforms. People who play on PC mostly stay on PC. Same for consoles and same for phones. The only reason PC gaming has taken off over the past decade is geographic expansions, not transitions. Adding tens of millions of Chinese gamers to PC isn't console gamers moving to PC.
>>747488414I like how black and brown just became part of the LGBT
>>747488326And yet they've released nothing but concordlikes
>>747490553leftist pretend to not understand thing to avoid discourse
>>747488414>This country needs more HIV positive foreigners who cannot speak our language, or we will not survive LMAOMAOOOOOOOOOOO
>>747508429>First of all, FFXIV 1.0 did not cost upwards of $400M to make. Concord already cost so much [...] SE is not Sony (not even SCE/Playstation), thoughbeit. Sony is a much larger company that could have taken that hit. >Second, FFXIV was part of the Final Fantasy brand, Square Enix's biggest brand, and letting it die would cause irreparable harm to all future Final Fantasy games.And Concord did the same to Sony. >Third, Square Enix cancelled or delayed a whole swath of games under development at the time they decided to fix FFXIV. This is a legitimate point. I just wonder (again) if it's something they could have ridden out as a much larger company with much deeper pockets. It's a tough choice. Ideally they wouldn't have had to make it. I just feel that they made the worst possible one. >Lastly, rebooting FFXIV probably cost Square Enix more money than they have ever spent on a video game. If Concord cost $400M, then remaking it could've added not just $400M more but maybe $800M more for a total of over $1B. Cause that's what SE had to do with FFXIV.I think this assumes that, as with FFXIV, the goal would have been to make "the same game but actually good this time". Give me the PlayStation Boss cap, and I scrap the entire hero shooter thing and use the assets to make a smaller game while taking the previous two shorts as a jumping-off point to create an anthology within the universe. If I'm really tripping balls, I RELEASE the assets for the public to do with as they with. "We fucked up, we'll try to do better, meanwhile if you can beat us at out own game have at it." Humility helps when the accusation is condescension, taking your ball and going home is the worst strategy. >Also, SE's CEO lost his job for FFXIV 1.0.That was the other big mistake (not firing Wada, he sucked; not firing Sony's leads).
>>747515902>the video game industry is not at riskGo read the huge 2026 in Video Games report by that strategic analyst at Xbox. (Epolynea Analytics or something.) Market saturation and increasing attention by the younger generations going to mobile stuff is why there are stats like 'most played games are 5 years old or older.'>Sony is squeezing their customers because they canTheir CFO said 'we want to monetize our current fans more' and internal leaks say Sony believes those people won't leave. This is not behavior suddenly start doing if things are going fine, this is a desperation strategy because it carries a risk they hope won't materialize (players leaving the walled garden).>mobileMost gaming takes place on mobile by a wide margin. If you ignore casual shit, PC, for vidya, is still growing. It's not half of gaming, though.The biggest moves in gaming aren't people moving from console to PC (although that is happening a little), it's people leaving consoles entirely and going to mobile.
>>747515758>First-party exclusives are the hook that gets people to buy the box in the first place.Not anymore. Not for Playstation. Yes, people bought Playstation for Fortnite and Call of Duty. Why the hell did anyone buy a PS5? What exclusive content compelled 90M PS5 units to be sold? You're not a Snoy. You don't understand. You think, like a non-Snoy, that you can just switch to PC or mobile to get your fix. That's not how a Snoy thinks. >This isn't 2010...Yea, it's 2026 and console gamers are dumber than ever. How many console gamers have you recently met that seemed even slightly intelligent? >Sony has been actively training its audience to realize they don't need a console anymore. But they've reversed that because PC gamers thought Snoy games were trash. Sony wasn't making any money from porting their games to PC. Only the live service ones and Snoys would rather play their live service games on a Snoy box. The core Snoy audience doesn't care about an open ecosystem and it doesn't care about Playstation First-Party games. They care about their Fortnites, CoD, FIFAs, etc. >Enthusiasts are the market tastemakersWarning, you are not gonna like this. Enthusiasts are the whales. The Fortniters, the CoDers, the GTAers, that spend thousands on digital garbage.You and your ilk are not "enthusiasts". You don't spend enough to be as such. You are the "Persona Fans" of enthusiasts. You spend a lot of time thinking, talking, and consuming video games, but you monetary contribution to the industry is minimal. You do not matter to the industry until you decide to Luigi Mangione or Charlie Kirk someone in the industry because your monetary value is zero.
>>747488414Two nukes weren't enough.
>>747508801I mean you're talking to me. I liked the shorts, I just suck at hero shooters and couldn't run it anyway.
>>747516541>Epolynea AnalyticsGoogle gives me nothing for this. Take 5 minutes to search for the source you're using to back up your take, you lazy piece of shit. >Market saturation and increasing attention by the younger generations going to mobile stuff is why there are stats like 'most played games are 5 years old or older.'...Younger generation are only on mobile, yea. Those other entertainment products (tiktok, netflix, instagram, etc) are going to compete against video games. But there are plenty of video games on those kids phones as well and it's a half of the $200B video game market. And that market continues to grow. The "video game industry" is doing just fine.Their CFO said 'we want to monetize our current fans more'...What doesn't carry risks? Was Nintendo making movies zero risk? Was Valve making Steam Machine zero risk? What doesn't carry risks? Here's what matters. They're not leaving. Not yet. At some point, if the price gets high enough, they will. And in sufficient numbers to hurt Playstation's bottom line. But it hasn't happened yet.Do you know why Star Citizen has crowdfunding $1 billion over 15 years? Because people are stupid fucking animals. And so are Snoys. >Most gaming takes place on mobile by a wide margin...It's not people leaving consoles for mobile. It's console gamers who stop gaming and no new console gamers to replace them. Mobile doesn't have that problem cause everyone has phones.If you wanna pint out a problem consoles have, it's that there are few NEW people getting into consoles. This applies to all consoles. Because why the FUCK would any parent spend hundreds of dollars on a device that can only play video games when they have an old phone or tablet they can give their kid to fuck around with?
>>747488414This is just word soup.
>>747515902>>747516569Mobile gaming and console/PC gaming are entirely different market categories, it's disingenuous to treat them the same - akin to lumping TV shows and feature films into the same categories in terms of scope and audience. A dedicated console player transitioning to a gaming PC or a PC handheld to avoid Sony's subscription tax keeps them in the home gaming ecosystem. Moving to mobile is not a substitute for that consumer behavior and you know it.>"video game industry" is not at "risk". It just needs to compete.Budgets in excess of $300m with 7y+ dev times (and rising) is not sustainable. A single flop can literally destroy a studio...No, wait, HAS destroyed several studios already (Concord, Saints Row reboot, Redfall, The Day Before...just to name a few off the top of my head); we're seeing more studio closures and mass layoffs than ever. The vidya industry is at HUGE risk, wake the fuck up dude.>very little mobility between platformsNah bro games are adopting far more cross-platform progression & saves than ever. Including casual favs like Fortnite or anything made by R* and CDPR. Let me reiterate: you need exclusives to keep consumers around, third parties have zero reason to be locked-in to a single platform unless Sony pays them $$$ for the exclusivity anyway (which brings me back to: they NEED exclusives)>The core Snoy audience doesn't care about an open ecosystem and it doesn't care about Playstation First-Party games. They care about their Fortnites, CoD, FIFAs, etc.Well then Playstation/PS6 is doomed (see point above)Aggressively squeezing their consumers via dynamic pricing and PS+ hikes shows they're hitting the ceiling. They aren't doing it "because they can" - Sony is doing this because they have to in order to maintain the profit margins demanded by investors as their games are failing to hit profit growth sufficiently on their own.
>>747517110Here's the report:>https://www.matthewball.co/all/presentation-the-state-of-video-gaming-in-2026An interesting read.>the games industry is doing fineNo, it's trapped in a weird valley where most people are playing the same games they were five years ago, buy one or two new games a year, and the volume of games releasing has increased exponentially to the point of breaking through the noise being a near impossible challenge for most games.>What doesn't carry risk?Stop being thick. Valve making the Steamcube isn't something they're doing because they're in danger of Steam stopping making money. Look at Sony's financials for their games division. The profit margin is thin and propped up by bullshit like PSN or PS5 price hikes, tariff refunds, or moving money around. The PS business is not in a healthy position and is only kept propped up by marketplace fees on games they don't own or control. All of their first party games either flop or barely break even and they're wasting hundreds of millions of dollars on trash like Marathon and Wolverine.>Star CitizenThe people propping that ponzi scam up are a combination of retards and whales, and that $1 billion was only after 15 years. Sony would need that level of whale spending every quarter to overcome their operating costs.
>>747517310>Well then Playstation/PS6 is doomed (see point above)it's going to be a gta 6 machine, assuming ps6s can be made in any meaningful quantity in the first place.
>>747488414Why is the Y brown? Are all blacks gay now?
>>747517808Oh no doubt there'll be a GTA 6 Enhanced Edition as the marquee title as they don't have any other fucking games.
>>747518008Yep, they've all been demoted to being zesty bucks once the retarded lgbt flag started having brown and black on it
>>747517310>Mobile gaming and console/PC gaming are entirely different market categories...Mobile gaming and console/PC gaming are entirely comparable markets when there are games that operate across all three platforms. When IPs cross all those platforms. When the hardware behind them all share basic similarities that enable video gaming. It's a cop out so you don't have to try and understanding the biggest gaming phenomenon of the last decade.As far as transitioning goes, I don't subscribe to that theory. I don't think there are significant numbers of people moving from one platform to another. What is more likely to be occurring is that retards bought consoles for exclusive software and only exclusive software. The consoles were accessories to their gaming ecosystem, not core to them. They were low ARPU transient console gamers.>The vidya industry is at HUGE risk, wake the fuck up dude.No. The video game industry is worth over $200B PER YEAR. There could be a Concord EVERY MONTH PER YEAR and that would only be a 3% drop.What is at risk are video games made on budgets in excess of $300M taking 7y+. Those games and the studios that make them are dying. Meccha Chameleon made $100M and it was made by 2 people. The demand for video games is there. The cost to to make them can be very low. So, enjoy your indie viralslop.>Nah bro games are adopting far more cross-platform progression & saves than ever.Why doesn't Fornite leave Playstation/Nintendo/Xbox? Force everyone to play on Epic Games Store? Why doesn't Call of Duty force everyone on Battlenet? Why does everyone put their game on Steam? Because the platforms are where the people are and they're attached to those platforms. Playstation doesn't need exclusives. It needs content. And Snoys love their third-party, live service slop.>Well then Playstation/PS6 is doomed (see point above)Yea, just like the PS5. Great exclusives. Still sold 90M units. Still having the best PS generation ever.1/2
>>747517310>Aggressively squeezing their consumers via dynamic pricing and PS+ hikes shows they're hitting the ceiling. They aren't doing it "because they can" - Sony is doing this because they have to in order to maintain the profit margins demanded by investors as their games are failing to hit profit growth sufficiently on their own.>PLAYSTATION IS SQUEEZING THEIR CUSTOMERS TO BE EVEN MORE PROFITABLEChrist Almighty. Is this true? Is a for-profit megacorporation taking more money from their customers than necessary to increase profits? Jesus Christ. It's like if Apple phones were taking in a 60% profit margin. Like, Apple could just sell their phones for cheaper instead of squeezing their tens of millions of consumers. They could be a $1 trillion business instead of a $3 trillion business. What the FUCK? You're a fucking idiot. Do you know who's desperate Xbox. Xbox sweeping in to buy up Kojima is desperation. THAT'S desperation. Picking up a washed up creator asking for hundreds of millions for a game that is going to sell like shit just to own your competitor.2/2
>>747491753>it's real
>>747490256retard
>>747512930probably because she hit the wall and now sees younger attractive women as competition
>>747519036>Mobile gaming and console/PC gaming are entirely comparable markets when there are games that operate across all three platforms.They're comparable in the sense that they occupy free time, sure, but your wallet-share logic is bogus. A player dropping $100 on Genshin Impact on a phone is not the same consumer demographic as someone dropping $600 on a home console to play a cinematic heavy-hitter. They are completely different purchasing habits and monetization loops with limited overlap in reality.>Concord EVERY MONTH PER YEAR and that would only be a 3% drop...You literally just agreed with the entire point while trying to argue against it. Nobody is saying people are going to stop playing video games entirely. The risk is that the dominant, high-end platform holder model (which relies heavily on massive first-party system sellers to justify its locked-down hardware ecosystem) is hitting a wall. When the AAA model collapses, the very foundation that sells a PS6 disappears. Sony cannot survive on "indie viralslop", fortnite, and gachashit alone because they don't manufacture low-spec hardware like the Switch or Steam Deck to capture that market more efficiently. Their hardware is subsidized, especially around launch. Software has to pickup that slack.>Why doesn't Fortnite leave Playstation/Nintendo/Xbox[...]Because the platforms are where the people are and they're attached to those platforms.They're attached to the platforms for now because of historical momentum and the fact that their friends are there. But that attachment isn't permanent, and cross-platform progression has dimished the friction of moving. If Sony continues to aggressively squeeze users with anti-consumer dynamic pricing algorithms and continued PS+ hikes, they are actively disincentivizing people from staying.[1/2]
>>747488475Never, unless you want them to taint those
>>747520171>PS5. Great exclusives. sold 90M units.The PS5 generation was heavily carried by the massive momentum of the PS4 era and a global pandemic that artificially inflated tech adoption. Looking forward, hardware shipments are already plummeting drastically year-on-year (reminder it dropped 36% this past fiscal year), and Sony is running out of tricks which is why they're getting desperate. If they completely dumped exclusives, the PS6 will literally just be a glorified, locked-down PC with an annual online tax. Their core market will just jump ship to PC/Nintendo or maybe even Xbox "Helix"[2/3]
>>747520413>>747519118>Is a for-profit megacorporation taking more money from their customers to increase profits?Missing the point.There is a massive structural difference between Apple raising margins out of sheer brand dominance and Sony aggressively hiking prices out of absolute desperation. Apple can charge a 60% premium because their global smartphone ecosystem is actively growing and their services segment expands organically every year. Sony is doing the exact opposite. Their own financial sheets show PS5 hardware unit shipments cratering as of late, and their operating income only survived because of a one-time US tariff refund and favorable foreign exchange rates. They aren’t squeezing the user base because they're winning; they're squeezing them because their actual organic growth has hit a dead-end ceiling. When you can't find new customers, you are forced to extract more blood from the ones you already have just to keep your stock price from tumbling.It's a death spiral right now for them.>Do you know who's desperate XboxSony literally set $3.6 billion on fire to buy Bungie purely for "live-service expertise," only for the studio to immediately implode with mass layoffs while Sony had to step in and take direct control. Sony also greenlit a 12 GaaSlop and burned millions on Concord just to delete it from existence two weeks after launch.Both Sony/Xbox are desperate because the traditional console business model is actively dying under the weight of ballooning AAA production costs. The difference is Microsoft gave up on hardware locks, while Sony is trying to trap its user base in a fully digital walled garden before the $1k PS6 launches.[3/3]hopefully I didn't butcher this too much while splitting up this wall of text
>>747488326>nowAfter making 3 concord sequels and another one being made(the horizon zero calories one)
>>747517782>No, it's trapped in a weird valley where most people are playing the same games they were five years ago, buy one or two new games a year, and the volume of games releasing has increased exponentially to the point of breaking through the noise being a near impossible challenge for most games.No, the video game industry is doing fine. You see how big the numbers are? You see how they're going up? That means "fine". What you're describing is also fine. Why is it fine? Cause it makes it money. What you're describing is consumers enjoying the games they already play, being more discriminating about what new games they play, and too many games being made or too much supply. If that's what bothers you, then fewer people need to make so many games, newer games need to be more impressive, and to kill all the dumbass consumers that enjoy the same garbage year after year. >Stop being thick.Yea, Steam makes $30B a year in revenue with only 400 employees and the best they can do for their superfans who buy Steam Decks and Steam Machines is to sell them nearly at cost, just like console makers. Wouldn't you call that "squeezing"? Why is it okay for Valve, who brings in $30B a year in revenue, to not help its biggest fans afford their hardware? I'll tell you why:Because they can fucking get away with it. Which is what Sony is doing with its customers. 1/2
>>747517782https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/er/pdf/25q4_supplement.pdfPlaystation's financials look fine. Page 3. It's like a 10-13% profit margin. What are Nintendo/Valve/Xbox's profit margins? Apple's profit margins are almost 30%. So, Playstation has some work to do.>The profit margin is thin and propped up by bullshit like PSN or PS5 price hikes, tariff refunds, or moving money around. The PS business is not in a healthy position and is only kept propped up by marketplace fees on games they don't own or control. All of their first party games either flop or barely break even and they're wasting hundreds of millions of dollars on trash like Marathon and Wolverine.You have never fucking touched a Playstation in your life. What the fuck do you think made Playstation successful for the past 30 years? First-party titles? If Playstation lost ALL its first-party titles today, it would still be the most profitable division of Sony. 85% of Playstation's software revenue comes from third-parties. The fact Playstation 5 is the most profitable generation ever DESPITE wasting $4 billion on Bungie/Concord and flops like Wolverine and Marathon, should tell you just how fucking dependent Playstation is on third-party software. Like Valve. It's a perfectly healthy business model.>Sony would need that level of whale spending every quarter to overcome their operating costs.They get more than that. Playstation earns $30B a year in revenue.2/2
>>747520724>mass layoffs and multiple studio closures is fine so long as the line goes upare you an investor?consumers do play buy and play new games too, but only if their quality is up to par. Big-budget modern AAA is not remotely sustainable, you can only cut those expensive losses for so long before it seriously harms business growth.
>>747489306based, console tards didn't like this one
>>747517782I have no dog in the conversation but I just wanted to say that I have it on good confidence that Matthew Ball is a hack.
>>747488326It’s firing all the women and gays?
>>747520801>What the fuck do you think made Playstation successful for the past 30 years? First-party titles?NTA but it was games like Crash Bandicoot, Wipeout, and FF7 that catapulted the PS1's popularity in the first place - all exclusive first-parties (at the time) btw. I know I bought mine back in the day for those games.
>>747488414Makes sense that they don't have money to spend on a straight non-immigrant male like Kojima.lollmao
>>747489306I'm 21 and I recognize about 80% of those games.
>>747509929Someone running the anime has a thing for her. (Yes, Liko's Meowscarada is female.)The Pokemon animators "accidentally" keep drawing her a bit sus sometimes. Even the model used in the games is a bit naughty, I'll dig up a screencap of my "research" later if the thread survives that long (it wont).>tfw when when your pet cat has bigger thighs than you do
>>747488326bungie deal going to be the single worst studio purchase in history>intentionally sabotages your whole product lineup for years>intentionally wastes purchase money>refuses to take advice or properly commit to developing the 1 product publisher wanted>it releases with less content than similar AA products>functionally bankrupt>faggots responsible finally fired with $10+mil parachutes because they never cared>remaining colleagues are half as obstinate and still refuse to create things that make money>you're forced to hire back a bunch of people because they use a proprietary engine>no path to solvency with every grace period bulldozed like their private stockholders were throwing a goodbye party for 3 years
>>747520171>They're comparable in the sense that they occupy free time, sure, but your wallet-share logic is bogus...What does it matter if they're different demographics? The Tendie user isn't the same demographic as the Snoy user. The RPG player isn't the same demographic as the Shooter player. The F2P player isn't the same demographic as the $80 premium game player. There are LOTS of demographics. You can split them up by platform, by genre, by spending, by age, by sex, by region, etc.But gaming is ALL of them. Gamers are ALL of them. And to quote myself:>>747515902>The video game industry has never been bigger, has never been more successful, and has never been more accessible than it is today."This is true.>You literally just agreed with the entire point while trying to argue against it.No, I didn't. You are moron. You said:>>747517310>The vidya industry is at HUGE risk, wake the fuck up dude.NOW, you are saying:>The risk is that the dominant, high-end platform holder model (which relies heavily on massive first-party system sellers to justify its locked-down hardware ecosystem) is hitting a wall.Which, btw, is inaccurate. It has not been "dominant" since mobile/live service games took over about 5 or so years ago. WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO, FUCKING DUMBASS RETARD BAKA, IS CORRECT YOUR STATEMENT BECAUSE YOU DID A BOO BOO AND WROTE THE WRONG FUCKING THING USING A LANGUAGE I HOPE IS NOT NATIVE SO YOU CAN BLAME YOUR SHITTY USING OF ENGLISH ON THAT INSTEAD OF BEING FUCKING LAZY. 1/2
>>747488414How is "HIV positive" a label in which one could find acceptance? It's literally a deadly crippling sickness.
>>747520171>When the AAA model collapses, the very foundation that sells a PS6 disappears. Sony cannot survive on "indie viralslop", fortnite, and gachashit alone because they don't manufacture low-spec hardware like the Switch or Steam Deck to capture that market more efficiently. There are so many things wrong with this statement, I don't know where to start. >When the AAA model collapses, the very foundation that sells a PS6 disappears. The AAA model isn't collapsing. The AAA model among high-cost studios with long dev times is collapsing. The cheap Chinese, affordable Europeans, and reasonable Japanese, among others, will be happy to fill the void. >Sony cannot survive on "indie viralslop", fortnite, and gachashit aloneFortnite has earned over $26 billion. Call of Duty regularly earns a billions per year. FIFA, Madden, Roblox, GTA, etc. Sony could survive off of them just fine. Gachas make tons of money as well. Genshin may have cross $10B in just 6 years. It took GTA 5 12 years to do that. >because they don't manufacture low-spec hardware like the Switch or Steam Deck to capture that market more efficiently. I hate you. I FUCKING HATE YOU. YOU'RE SO GODDAMN STUPID. YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE FUCKING MARKET FOR THE SWITCH OR STEAM DECK ARE. Nearly 80% of software sales on the Switch were Nintendo published games. Nintendo sold nearly half a BILLION units of NINTENDO PUBLISHED SOFTWARE. Nintendo is the opposite of Playstation. They could live without third-party games. Playstation cannot. The Steam Deck would be considered a failure to anyone buy Valve. Both Nintendo and Playstation would have cancelled it if they had released it. It's fucking a worthless platform metric.2/3
>>747489584>>747489584>Ive never touched any consoles since they were for kidsThen why are you surprised there are notable playstation games you haven't heard of?
>>747520801>Like Valve. It's a perfectly healthy business model.Sony have to sell a subsidized console to consumers, Valve doesn't. Playstation consoles are effectively loss-leaders in their market witha lot of long-term funding and R&D involved to even bring them into fruition. Not to mention the massive overhead costs to keep those coming to store shelves.All these costs have to be recouped via software sales and their current software model is not sustainable: that's why they are gutting studios left and right during the PS5 generation. They've fucked up. They know they've fucked up and have been attempting to recourse for a while. That is not a healthy business model at all.It's haemorrhaging money, then bandaging it up with layoff and cut-backs elsewhere.Where are Valve's massive layoffs? Where's Nintendo's?
>>747522502Yeah well big pharma companies belonging to jewish oligarchs need more of it, for some reason.
>>747520171>They're attached to the platforms for now because of historical momentum and the fact that their friends are there. But that attachment isn't permanent, and cross-platform progression has dimished the friction of moving. If Sony continues to aggressively squeeze users with anti-consumer dynamic pricing algorithms and continued PS+ hikes, they are actively disincentivizing people from staying.You're right. Now quantify it. How many people are actually fucking leaving. Because if PSN is hitting 125M MAU, then if it lost 5 MILLION USERS per month, that's less than 5%. Now, you have to attribute that to all those reasons and not just natural aging out of the hobby or the cost of console gaming in general (everyone requires paid online on consoles) and then measure if they're going somewhere else and where. PC gaming? Console gamers are too stupid for that. Mobile gaming? Well, they already have phones. But that's all speculation as far as I'm concerned. No one anywhere has tried to survey gamers who have transitioned from one primary platform to another and since no one has done that, there is no historical data to compare it to, to give us an idea of how abnormal the shift may or may not be.3/3FUCK THE 2000 CHARACTE RLIMIT FUXKFI MOOTKCHINK
>>747488414Am I a virusist for not wanting gay aids niggers into my country?
>>747520413So, you're telling me that 90M people bought the $500 PS5 because they had good feelings about the PS4 and Covid. NOT BECAUSE OF THE EXCLUSIVES WHICH YOU JUST SAID PEOPLE BOUGHT CONSOLES FOR. FYI The Switch had a massive covid boost which no one wants to bring up for some totally weird reason. And that PS5 sales have ONLY SLOWED after hardware price hikes due to the AI data center build out. Which means...you think that if the PS6, with ZERO exclusives, priced at $500, would sell gangbusters, implicitly because of Fortnite, CoD, FIFA, etc.
>>747512930>from 1upGod it fucking depresses me how nearly everyone from 1up turned out be a deranged loon. Shane Bettenhausen in particular went from a loud autistic weeb to a retarded self-hating white sperg. Jeremy Parish is also a cuck, only thing giving him credibility in NES works videos, and he's practically abandoned retronauts (but then again so has his retarded friend Bob Mackey, who was dead weight even at 1up). Sean Baby is just an old faggot now.Only guy who seemed to leave with dignity was their other weeb Andrew Fitch, and he died of cancer.
>>747522487Imagine throwing a literal temper tantrum because you can’t grasp the difference between the macro industry and a specific market sector.Lumping mobile gacha and candy crush into the same pool to claim the "vidya industry" is perfectly healthy is a cope. Nobody is saying people are going to stop playing games on their phones.The high-end console market sector is at massive risk because its foundational economic model - spending $300M and 7 years on a cinematic blockbusters to sell a loss-leader box has hit a complete brick wall.When a single flop like Concord completely obliterates a studio, or Spider-Man 2 needs to sell over 7 million copies just to break even, the traditional ecosystem is mathematically flawed.You can try to pivot to mobile data all you want, but Sony doesn't make phones nor handhelds anymore. It's a moot point to bring up the mobile market in this discussion. A Strawman. Their entire multi-billion-dollar business is anchored to a premium, locked-down hardware box.If their first-party pipeline is a smoking crater of mass layoffs and studio shutdowns, they have zero leverage. Squeezing a stagnant pool of users with forced PS+ hikes and dynamic storefront pricing isn't a sign of a "successful industry" - it's a corporate panic attack because their actual organic growth has completely maxed out.Go take a walk before you piss your pants.
>>747519704I remember experiencing this shit first hand for the first time in my teens decades ago when my older sister who always loved a famous actor during her childhood suddenly began kvetching about how much she hated him cause he's dating younger women while she was growing old and bitter, pure seething jealousy.
>>747488475Yet people say Sony has no games. I remember playing a lot of these, so much fun. Still have some of those games around. The fact that Sony abandoned all of these games for movie slop propaganda pieces shows how they deserve their downfall. Either that, or they need their headquarters back in Japan.
>>747523103>the traditional ecosystem is mathematically flawed.that seems to be more about severe 10x distortions on the development budget side. Basic AAA games around 50m budget seem to be viable enough. And the quality difference between say saros and ghost of yotei, vs Wolverine, and games in the AAAA class doesn't seem to work well. Nintendo shied away from AAAA and high AAA, and it seems to have been the right call.
>>747522592The high-cost studio model is collapsing. Cheap Chinese and Japanese devs will fill the void.You are so blindingly close to getting the point. That "high-cost studio" model IS Sony's entire first-party identity (Naughty Dog, Insomniac, Santa Monica). If Sony's own studios drop dead and overseas devs fill the void with multiplatform games, those devs have zero loyalty to Sony. They will put their games on PC, mobile, and Switch 2 on day one (like they are already)Sony could survive off of Fortnite/CoD cuts just fine.They can survive as a company, but not as a hardware platform. If a PlayStation box has zero exclusive Western blockbusters and is literally just a machine used to boot up Fortnite and CoD, the consumers have little reason to stick with them in the long-term. The second Epic and Activision realize Sony has zero original content leverage left, they will demand a lower platform cut or walk. You cannot maintain a closed hardware monopoly solely as a passive toll booth for other people's games.Nintendo sold half a billion units of first-party software. They could live without third-party. Playstation cannot.Valve isn't affected my selling third-parties on their platform as their business is healthy without the need to subsidize high-cost hardware.You practically admitted Nintendo's business model is completely healthy because it's driven by their own highly profitable software, while Sony's is deeply vulnerable because it's entirely dependent on third-party live-service handouts to bandage their bleeding margins.You are crying and throwing an absolute tantrum over basic corporate risk management. Squeezing a stagnant pool of console users with forced PS+ hikes and dynamic storefront pricing isn't a sign of growth - it's a defensive scramble because their organic hardware ecosystem has completely maxed out.Log off and take a deep breath.Sony isn't going to send you a check for defending them.
>>747523479They don't have quality dev teams to make those games anon. It's just a title without the team.
>>747518008The pride flag includes literally everything except straight white men.
>>747488475You would get a lame and gay remake at best. Let these IPs rest in peace.
>>747488414>>747488475Jesus fucking christ, Snoy. You deserve every fucking Concord you get and a trillion more.
>>747488475It’s time for new IPs. The old ones have had their run. Time to let it go.
>>747520498>There is a massive structural difference between Apple raising margins out of sheer brand dominance and Sony aggressively hiking prices out of absolute desperation.Yea, your framing. >Apple can charge a 60% premium because their global smartphone ecosystem is actively growing and their services segment expands organically every year. Right. People are happy to be screwed by Apple and buy a product with a 60% profit margin because they love Apple products that much. And Sony cannot do that with Playstation, except they are. They've been hiking hardware costs for years and they've only now hit a wall, while they've been hiking PS+ prices and the highest tiers are the ones growing the most. I don't know about the tariff refund. Did it ONLY APPLY TO PLAYSTATION PRODUCTS? Or did it apply to all of Sony's products imported into the US? >When you can't find new customers, you are forced to extract more blood from the ones you already have just to keep your stock price from tumbling. It's a death spiral right now for them.Sigh. Do you know, that no Playstation console generation has ever sold as many units as the 2000 PS2? Would you say Playstation has been in a death spiral since 2000? I don't think you would. Because that'd be stupid. But that's when Playstation had its most Playstation customers. You could also say Nintendo is in a death spiral. Do you think Nintendo will ever surpass the Switch 1's 160M units sold? You use such silly logic. Somehow, Sony treating its consumers like shit, means its failing. But when Apple treats its consumers like shit, it's okay. Because it's continue to attract more consumers that want to be treated like shit. Playstation doesn't have to be Apple or Nintendo or Valve to be successful. It also doesn't have to be in a death spiral if its relying on a shrinking userbase. Because, the thing is, all consoles are in a "death spiral" then. Because consoles don't make sense in a world where everyone has a phone.
>>747502720Saaar
>>747488326by buying bungie and putting even more money into marathon while killing off the franchises that actually sell
>>747521046>Big-budget modern AAA is not remotely sustainable, you can only cut those expensive losses for so long before it seriously harms business growth.Or grow without them.
>>747523709Snoylets are soulless automatons, they simply consoom so to them this would be a gift.
>>747509107No it's good. It's a true video game
>Team we gotta avoid another Concord.>Now pull Kojima's life supprot, we need it for that extraction shooter that only has around three times the player count that Concord did.
>>747510707>Final Fantasy faggots STILL seething about Legend of Dragoon dominating every FF game >50 FUCKING YEARS LATER
>>747520801deceptive title because it doesn't talk about the userbase.That'd be like if a gacha game milked 500$ a year off a playerbase of a thousand people.
>>747523981>Legend of Dragoon>dominating anythingBold to assume it's only FFaggots making fun of your only game.
>>747511667Imagine being this fucking jewish. Can't wait for the fall.
>>747489306I'm not even a Sony fan and Tearaway is the only name on that whole list that I don't recognize.
>>747522974>90M people bought the $500 PS5 because they had good feelings about the PS4 and Covid. NOT BECAUSE OF THE EXCLUSIVES WHICH YOU JUST SAID PEOPLE BOUGHT CONSOLES FOR.Your reading comprehension is actively in the toilet.The PS5 had heavy-hitter exclusives in its first few years (Spider-Man 2, God of War Ragnarok, Horizon Forbidden West, R&C Rift Apart). Those exact exclusives (combined with the massive momentum of the PS4 digital library carrying over and the pandemic supply shock) are what drove the momentum to achieve those 90 million sales.But those games started development back in 2018-2020. The entire point you are desperately trying to dodge is that the pipeline is now completely empty. Because budgets have exploded to $300M+ and dev times are hitting 7 years, Sony cannot sustain that output anymore. They're laying off a huge chunk of their talent instead to offset their fuck-ups this gen.>Which means...you think that if the PS6, with ZERO exclusives, priced at $500, would sell gangbusters, implicitly because of Fortnite, CoD, FIFA, etc.No, you illiterate dunce, that is literally your argument. You are the one who keeps crying that "PlayStation doesn't need exclusives, it needs content" and that "Snoys love their third-party live service slop."I am telling you the exact opposite: a PS6 with zero exclusives will fail. If it's just a $999 generic box that only exists to boot up Fortnite, CoD, and FIFA, the casual market has zero reason to buy it over a cheaper mobile device, a handheld, a gaming PC, or even sticking to their PS5's.Without first-party exclusives to act as the hook, the walled garden collapses. You just spent the last three posts aggressively contradicting your own logic just to avoid admitting that Sony’s current business model is dogshit.
is it true that crapcum learned from its mistakes and at least recognizes its core audience and releases with chudslop?
>>747521938PS1's popularity relied on exclusive software, yes, but not exclusively first-party software. If you wanna count FF7, I guess you could. But FF7 isn't owned by Sony and never was. They just published it like how Square Enix published Call of Duty in Japan for a long time. I'd say I'm half wrong. The tops PS1 software sellers were first-party, but a lot of spots are taken by third parties.
>>747509929One more pic for fun.>Meowscarada fan on Twitter posted this GIF innocently>my "blink and you'll miss it" sense goes off>watch it a couple times>animator drew the leg line a bit too high up and it looks like a pussy for one frame>deconstruct the GIF>save the sus frame and repost it back to the fan>instant block in 0.01 secondsThe dumb BR must've thought I edited that line in myself.>>747516569>that screencapIt makes sense that more secondaries (and sometimes tertiaries) are getting involved than they used to. The socio-political landscape is completely alien now.>fans of a franchise upset at the direction the franchise is heading (bonus: remakes and remasters)>more and more people consuming their games via watching streamers, video essays, etc.>feminists and DEI/ESG fans getting mad at there being too many white/straight/blonde/attractive characters>gamers getting mad at remakes/remasters turning everyone brown, gay, or ugly>"us vs them" and "toxic positivity" exploding so bad that people will straight-up spend 20 hours a day defending some universally-shit game solely to protect the devs because "effort = it's great, you have no right to complain">>747523479>"has no gaems" started because of the PS3/PS4 depending on who you ask (subjectively PS3, objectively PS4)>almost every game in that whole-ass list was made during PS1/PS2>the few games in that list that got remakes or ports are either ruined, shit, or were ported to the Vita where nobody played it>even if they revive them now, the old devs are gone and they're going to cram in "realistic" graphics, sand off all the edges, tone down all the jokes, remove cleavage, and remove the art direction completelyPain.
>>747524193>post the screencap and not the GIFme dum dum
>>747524125Crapcom is infamously a Jekyll/Hyde company that morphs between being based and being woke on a dime. Don't trust them without doing your research, because they've dropped the ball just many times as they've hit it.
>>747524331yeah i remember they made chun li ugly or something to that effect and got a ton of flack. thats just one instance althoughbeit
>>747523082>Shane Bettenhausengod damn. wtf happened to california.
>>747523786>Apple can charge a 60% premium because people love Apple products. And Sony is doing that with Playstation.Apple’s services grow organically because their ecosystem is actively expanding into new user bases. Sony is doing the exact opposite. Their hardware shipments collapsed by 36% year-on-year. They aren't raising prices because of "brand love"; they are aggressively hiking subscription fees and testing dynamic storefront pricing because their user acquisition has hit a dead-end.>I don't know about the tariff refund. Did it ONLY APPLY TO PLAYSTATION PRODUCTS?Sony Group’s official financial filings explicitly show they pocketed a massive 80 billion yen (~$500M) tariff windfall.. While it hit a couple of their departments, Sony's financial report directly attributes the 37% operating income spike in the Game & Network Services division to those tariff refunds and foreign exchange tailwinds - not to an organic explosion in software or hardware sales.>No Playstation console generation has ever sold as many units as the 2000 PS2. Would you say Playstation has been in a death spiral since 2000?The PS2 sold 155 million units because it was an affordable DVD player during a massive growth era for home consoles. Nobody expected the PS3 or PS4 to match it because the market stabilized around a 250 million total console ceiling across all brands. Also, anecdotally speaking, the PS2's library kicked ass. So it had that going for it too.The PS2 era succeeded because games cost $5M to make and took 18 months to ship. Today, Sony's first-party games cost $300M+ and take 7 years. When your production costs multiply by 60x but your hardware user base remains flat, your business model is unsustainable.>Because consoles don't make sense in a world where everyone has a phone.Consoles make perfect sense if they offer a premium user experience with exclusives you can't get anywhere else. Mobile gaming is not targeting that same demographic.
>>747489749You didn't think "gay niggers with AIDS" was some sort of comedic exaggeration, did you?
>>747522605>All these costs have to be recouped via software sales and their current software model is not sustainableWhich include third-party software like a lot of live service slop and those are very profitable.>That is not a healthy business model at all.Sure, it is. Valve's entire business model is built around third-party titles. >It's haemorrhaging moneyThe most profitable Playstation generation ever. The PS5 generation.>Where are Valve's massive layoffs? Where's Nintendo's?Valve is run by 400 people. Valve earns almost $100M in revenue per employee. Valve doesn't lay anyone off cause they're incredible fucking successful. Yes, Playstation is not as successful as Valve.Nintendo doesn't have layoffs cause they're also very fucking successful. They're on a hiring spree, as of late. They're also Japanese, so the cost of 1 Japanese game developer is about half the cost of an American game developer. Nintendo also makes games with far smaller budgets but still charges AAA game prices. Nintendo's business model is much better when you forget about the Wii U/3DS/Gamecube. But don't worry. If you're waiting for something to fail, it always will. As long as you wait long enough. So, too will Valve and Nintendo one day go through corrections. But that's the funny thing about Playstation. Despite how bad the PS5 generation has been, it's STILL the most profitable one yet. If Sony hadn't fucked up and made Jim Ryan CEO of SIE and pushed all those failed GAAS games, PS5 might have been twice as successful as it is now.
>>747510707>>747523981>>747524095>it's fine when expedition 33 does ityou see very company is sitting on a gold mine they just don't want to "try"
>>747488414What does that have to do with Concord being both expensive and boring? Other than nothing.
>>747524146>The top PS1 software sellers were first-party, but a lot of spots are taken by third parties.Kinda moving the goalposts here bro.Nobody said third-party games didn’t sell well on the PS1 - the entire point is that platform-exclusive software is what built the brand and drove hardware adoption in the first place.>If you wanna count FF7, I guess you could. But FF7 isn't owned by Sony and never was.Never said Sony owned Square. But Final Fantasy VII was a massive, system-selling platform exclusive for the PS1 because Sony actively bankrolled a massive marketing campaign and handled international distribution. It gave millions of people an explicit reason to buy a PlayStation over an N64.>Crash and Wipeout weren't first-party either.Wipeout was developed by Psygnosis, which Sony literally bought out entirely in 1993 - two years before the PS1 even launched. It was literally a first-party in every sense of the term. Sony even still owns the IP, probably why it's listed here >>747488475Universal technically held the IP rights to Crash Bandicoot back then, but Sony fully funded, produced, and published the original trilogy as an exclusive flagship mascot to sell their hardware. You're honestly just splitting hairs on what constitutes as "first party". It's like arguing Pokemon isn't "first party" for Nintendo. In any case, you were missing the forest for the trees. Whether it was fully owned first-party studios or locked-down third-party deals, the strategy was the same: exclusive software hooks consumers into the ecosystem which has been my main point.
>>747489314>Kojima has never made a commercial failureBoth Death Stranding games. And I say this as a DS1 enjoyer.
>>747523103>Imagine throwing a literal temper tantrum because you can’t grasp the difference between the macro industry and a specific market sector.It wasn't I that could not grasp the difference.>>747517310>The vidya industry is at HUGE risk, wake the fuck up dude.You see how you said, and I quote, "THE VIDYA INDUSTRY..." Yea, that can only be interpreted in one way. So, it wasn't me. I assumed you meant what you said. I didn't insert words into your post. I took you at your word. I trusted you to not be a fucking retard.> It's a moot point to bring up the mobile market in this discussion. A Strawman.If what you wanted to talk about was ONLY Playstation, sure. But you were replying to comments I made in response to other comments about the ENTIRE VIDEO GAME industry. So, that's on you for not being specific enough.And as far as the risk to the high-end console market sector, I reiterate, Playstation doesn't rely on first-party titles. It relies on Fortnite, CoD, FIFA, GTA, Roblox, etc. And as long as they make more money for Playstation than all those failures you mentioned, the math adds up.>If their first-party pipeline is a smoking crater of mass layoffs and studio shutdowns, they have zero leverage. Squeezing a stagnant pool of users with forced PS+ hikes and dynamic storefront pricing isn't a sign of a "successful industry" - it's a corporate panic attack because their actual organic growth has completely maxed out.If only you would open your eyes and notice that 85% of Playstation software sales and 80% of Playstation revenue comes from outside of Playstation Studios, then you'd have to admit so much of that does not matter.But, here, I'll throw you a bone. If things continue as they are, that'll be bad for Playstation long term. Well, unless someone makes the next Fortnite and it earns $100B and the playerbase is 80% on Playstation 6. Then it won't matter if PS studios puts out a dozen more Concords.
>>747525340are they? I can imagine the costs were high, but it seems to have done fine in sales as well.
>>747489630Yeah. They greenlit a game about one of the most popular comic book characters there is by one of their best performing studios. On paper it looked like a good idea even though the final product sucked.
>>747524692Yeah, it was saddening to see how he succumbed to the faggotry. And not long before that, he would be on the kikestarter version of Retronauts and call out Bob Mackey for the retard he was for not playing the games they were talking about. The 1up alumni are basically a bunch of old faggots with edgy remorse.
>>747488414This has to be a meme
>>747490308The production values on that first Concord trailer were crazy. It probably cost millions to make that alone. The fact it was weaponized cringe despite that was an early warning bell.
>>747524828>The cheap Chinese and Japanese devs will fill the void.You are actively describing the exact corporate death of the console platform holder. Overseas devs filling the void with multiplatform titles means they have zero loyalty to Sony. They will put their games on PC, mobile, and Switch 2 on day one.>Sony could survive off of Fortnite/CoD cuts just fine.They can survive as a company, but not as a hardware ecosystem. You cannot maintain a closed hardware monopoly solely as a passive toll booth for other people's software, you have to have compelling exclusive games to get the foot in the door from consumers.>The most profitable Playstation generation ever. The PS5 generation.It's profitable on paper because they are aggressively cannibalizing their future pipeline to bandage the current quarterly financial sheets.Sony literally had to write off a massive 120 billion yen (~$800M) impairment loss on Bungie alone in their recent corporate filings. They are propping up profits through emergency cost-cutting, mass studio layoffs, and aggressively squeezing their existing users via dynamic pricing and forced PS+ hikes. That is a defensive survival strategy, not an organically growing, healthy ecosystem like you seem to believe.>If Sony hadn't fucked up and made Jim Ryan CEO... PS5 might have been twice as successful as it is now.Thank you for conceding.The leadership panicked. Set billions on fire trying to chase live-service GaaS slop. Then, they damaged their own first-party pipeline.The fact that they are now forced to milk their remaining user base dry just to maintain their margins is the literal definition of a failing business model dude. I don't know how many times I'll have to repeat this for you to soak it all in but it sounds like you're slowly getting it!
>>747525472DS1 sold 10m copies and barely broke even. DS2 only sold 2m and cost way more to make.
>>747488414I don't understand why the surprise, that's a classic already. It’s the core of the ideology. It's like this scene:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQmmO95thxIAn LGBT immigrant with AIDS is probably one of the things that scores the most ally points.
>>747525791I think your case is strong, but I'm not convinced that it's the model vs execution. Specifically, I suggest that the output and the price of Sony's first party offerings may have other problems with them that are specific to the creative side of Sony.
>>747523460many such cases
>>747523581>You are so blindingly close to getting the point.And you're so far away from the point. You think Playstation needs first-party content to survive. I do not. I think Playstation can be like Valve. I think Playstation would be more successful imitating Steam rather than Nintendo.>If Sony's own studios drop dead and overseas devs fill the void with multiplatform games, those devs have zero loyalty to Sony. They will put their games on PC, mobile, and Switch 2 on day one (like they are already)God, you're a fucking idiot. You contradicted yourself within two sentences.IF THIRD-PARTIES ARE ALREADY LAUNCHING THEIR SHIT AS MULTIPLATFORM RELEASES AND, THEREFORE, ALREADY HAVE ZERO LOYALTY TO PLAYSTATION, WHAT LEVERAGE DOES PLAYSTATION HAVE EVEN WITH THEIR EXISTING SLATE OF FIRST-PARTY STUDIOS AND GAMES? A multiplatform strategy is an agnostic one. It means putting your game on platforms that have users and Playstation has the most users of all the consoles AND Snoys are the fattest piggies. AND Tendies only buy Nintendo shit. They don't care for third-party games. I guess Xbox is still around as well. Why would third-party developers drop Playstation support?> If a PlayStation box has zero exclusive Western blockbusters and is literally just a machine used to boot up Fortnite and CoD, the consumers have little reason to stick with them in the long-termTHAT IS ALREADY WHAT IT IS YOU DUMB FUCK. LOOK AT WHAT SNOYS ARE PLAYING YOU FUCKING DOGSHIT-FOR-BRAINS ASSWIPE>Valve isn't affected my selling third-parties on their platform as their business is healthy without the need to subsidize high-cost hardware.If Valve stopped selling all third-party software, they'd probably still survive. Yes. But they wouldn't be nearly as popular and successful as they are today.1/2
>>747525576I remember a podcast where they talked about some RPG and in it there's a mission where a woman asks you to save her brother. She doesn't have any money so you can fuck her for payment. They talked about how they fucked the woman, didn't do the mission, and everyone burst out laughing.
Why are two spergs writing books ITT?
>>747523460Post about Leonardo DiCaprio without naming Leonardo DiCaprio.
>>747523581>You practically admitted Nintendo's business model is completely healthy because it's driven by their own highly profitable software, while Sony's is deeply vulnerable because it's entirely dependent on third-party live-service handouts to bandage their bleeding margins.Because Nintendo's business model is healthy and profitable, but I don't consider Sony's vulnerable. It depends on third-party software just like Valve does. That's not a bad model.>You are crying and throwing an absolute tantrum over basic corporate risk management. Squeezing a stagnant pool of console users with forced PS+ hikes and dynamic storefront pricing isn't a sign of growth - it's a defensive scramble because their organic hardware ecosystem has completely maxed out.You've said this a couple of times. You're not addressing the points I'm bringing up. TOTAL GLOBAL CONSOLES USERS ARE STAGNATE. MILKING MORE OUT OF THE POOL IS THE OBVIOUS THING TO DO BECAUSE CONSOLES DO NOT MAKE SENSE IN A WORLD WITH PHONES AND THE ABUNDANCE OF F2P GAMES. All consoles are dead in 2 decades, but you seem to have a specific hate-boner just for Playstation. You don't need to keep telling me the same points you refuse to adapt to the arguments I'm bringing up. I've heard them. Show me you're reading and understanding what I'm saying and proving how its wrong instead of copy/pasting your old work.2/2
>>747526249The creative side and the financial model are completely inseparable.When a game costs $300 million and takes 7 years to make, the creative process is completely hijacked by corporate suits and risk-management lawyers.Designers aren't allowed to take bold risks anymore because a single flop bankrupts a studio.The uninspired slop and endless remasters are direct symptoms of this broken business model.
>>747526001sasuga kojima dono
>>747489306normalfags out OUT OUT!!!!!
>>747490503BG was like a perennial inhabitant of Target's PC game rack. Normies recognized the name. But 3 sold off of being a good game.
>>747523986What's more important to the success of a business? How much money they make or how many customers they have?
>>747489584>Didn't play the games that some out when he was a kid >Only knows the games that came out when he was not a kidSo you didn't play games for kids until AFTER you were a kid?
>>747526543>The creative side and the financial model are completely inseparable.>When a game costs $300 million and takes 7 years to make, the creative process is completely hijacked by corporate suits and risk-management lawyers.I think this is only as true as big blockbuster movie industry. I claim that the risk management end is failing on these big sony game projects. They're trusting the press too much. Their audience testing systems and focus testing methodolgy is fucked. Woverine, Concord and the like had extensive, expensive audience testing, and also expensive outside contractors brought in, which would normally hedge against groupthink. >The uninspired slopI would posit blizzard, say with Overwatch as trending towards uninspired slop. Design by comittee. Direct feedback on individual design appeal via IAP. I really don't see that in Sony's AAAA offerings. And they're not reacting to bad core fanbase reception in normal risk management ways.
>>747488414I'm picking LARK, UNDECIDED!
>>747526774Depends on the phase. Maybe you're aiming for market share by selling at a loss to gain an effective monopoly by forcing everyone else out. Then you'd care about users now and being profitable later (see: Uber).
>>747526430>IF THIRD-PARTIES ARE ALREADY MULTIPLATFORM, WHAT LEVERAGE DOES PLAYSTATION HAVE WITH FIRST-PARTY?The leverage to sell the physical hardware box in the first place, numbnuts.Nobody drops $600+ on a locked-down console just to play Fortnite and Call of Duty or whatever when they can play those exact same games on a PC, phone, laptop, Switch 2, Steam Deck/PC Handheld, etc...First-party exclusives are the hook that pulls consumers in.What part of that do you not understand?>I think Playstation can be like Valve and imitate Steam.Valve doesn't spend billions on hardware R&D, manufacturing supply chains, physical retail distribution, and subsidising console losses. Steam is a pure digital storefront on an open ecosystem with almost zero hardware overhead. Sony is tethered to a low-margin physical box. If the PS6 has zero compelling exclusives, it’s just a redundant PC without the freedom and their consumerbase will not grow (kind of like how the PS5 has not been growing lately: -36% down YoY)>THAT IS ALREADY WHAT IT IS DUMB FUCK. LOOK AT WHAT SNOYS ARE PLAYINGYes, the casuals are playing third-party live-service games right now because they already bought the PS5 back when it actually had major exclusives to care about. But you can't sell a next-gen PS6 box on historical momentum alone once the exclusive software pipeline dries up.Squeezing a stagnant pool of users with forced PS+ hikes and dynamic storefront pricing isn't like the healthy Valve model - it's a defensive corporate scramble because Playstation's organic hardware growth has completely maxed out and reached tipping point.
>>747488414God, I hope they all end up unemployed
>>747526774The first is more important, but the second gives you options. >>747526896Differentanon. This was the case for me. As a filthy nisei raised by dumb well meaning white people who prioritized Spanish and AAVE, I didn't learn japanese properly until I could sneak away to the library on my own. Only after that did I play all the jp only kids games. Those pinche penedjos. Or I suppose pendejixes.
>>747488326But...they are making hunters gathering?
>>747527232No. They have a chance to fuck up other companys in that state.
>>747524118>R&C Rift ApartTrue>God of War RagnarokOn PS4>Horizon Forbidden WestOn PS4>Spider-Man 22023>(combined with the massive momentum of the PS4 digital library carrying overTHEN WHY THE FUCK WOULDN'T THAT HAPPEN WITH PS5 TO PS6>The entire point you are desperately trying to dodge is that the pipeline is now completely empty. I'm not dodging that point. You're dodging my point. I DO NOT THINK FIRST-PARTY PLAYSTATION SOFTWARE MEANINGFUL HELPS ADOPTION OF THE PS5 AND I DO NOT THINK THE VAST MAJORITY OF SNOYS GIVE A FLYING FUCK ABOUT WHAT NAUGHTY DOG OR SANTA MONICA ARE MAKING. THEY WANT THEIR COD/FIFA/FORTNITE SLOP.>I am telling you the exact opposite: a PS6 with zero exclusives will fail. Well, finally it seems like we're getting somewhere. Except, here's the problem. You cannot prove people bought a PS5 for exclusive, first-party developed PS5 software. PS5 exclusive software this gen has been DOGSHIT. All you can say is COVID COVID COVID while ignoring how well the Switch did during Covid.So why would the PS6 do poorly without banger first-party developed software if the PS5 had trash first-party developed software ALL FUCKING GENERATION LONG?
>>747488475wild arms CHADS report
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>>747526526>It depends on third-party software just like Valve does. That's not a bad model.It is an incredibly vulnerable model when PS are the only one paying a multi-billion-dollar hardware tax to keep it running. Meanwhile, Valve sits back and takes a pure 30% digital cut on open software. Sony is carrying all the structural financial risk of a hardware manufacturer while relying on the charity of external publishers (Epic, Activision, T2) to pay the bills. If player numbers dip, Valve shrugs; Sony’s hardware margins however would fall.>TOTAL GLOBAL CONSOLE USERS ARE STAGNANT. MILKING MORE OUT OF THE POOL IS THE OBVIOUS THING TO DO.Milking the pool is the obvious short-term corporate survival tactic for an executive trying to save their quarterly earnings call - it is not a sustainable strategy for a platform holder. Squeezing your user base with PS+ hikes and predatory dynamic pricing (as well as physical media) strips away the value proposition of owning a console for the consumer. When you strip that away, you accelerate the exact death of the platform you’re trying to prevent.>All consoles are dead in 2 decades.Consoles aren't dying because "phones exist" - they are dying because Sony and Microsoft stupidly ballooned AAA budgets to $300M+ with 7-year dev cycles, making their own hardware unsustainable. Meanwhile, Nintendo is running a completely healthy, vertically integrated ecosystem with controlled budgets and 100% margin first-party software that will easily survive the next 20 years. Ask me how many layoffs they've had recently, how many studios they've shut down. Go ahead...
>>747488326Hmm but they are still funding that bald game and horizon concord
>>747510635Nono, they don't want it. They want YOU to have it.
>>747525314>Kinda moving the goalposts here bro.No, it's not moving goalposts. It's you not being able to read. >I'd say I'm half wrongYa see where I admitted my fault? That's not moving goalposts. That's me admitting fault.>Nobody said third-party games didn’t sell well on the PS1 - the entire point is that platform-exclusive software is what built the brand and drove hardware adoption in the first place.No, that's moving the goal posts. Your point was FIRST-PARTY DEVELOPED SOFTWARE, not PLATFORM EXCLUSIVE SOFTWARE. I would've agreed with you if you had said PLATFORM-EXCLUSIVE SOFTWARE, but it's now clear to me you lack a proper grasp of the English language to offer that kind of precision. Instead, you just revise history as you go along hoping no one will notice. Sigh, let's see what else you had to "say"...>Never said Sony owned Square>>747521938>- all exclusive first-parties (at the time) btwClearly, you do not know what "first-party" means.>Crash and Wipeout weren't first-party either.No where did I say this.>You're honestly just splitting hairs on what constitutes as "first party".No, I'm being specific instead of vague and lazy. Pokemon's "first-party" status is worth debating, but I'd simply say "exclusive" instead of "first-party". Because it's more accurate.>exclusive software hooks consumers into the ecosystem which has been my main point.And my point is that doesn't seem necessary anymore for Playstation to be successful as demonstrated by the PS5 generation.
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>>747527415>THEN WHY THE FUCK WOULDN'T THAT HAPPEN WITH PS5 TO PS6Because the PS4 to PS5 transition had a massive, tangible hardware performance leap that justified the jump even for cross-gen games. Going from a 2013 mechanical HDD to a modern SSD was a night-and-day difference and Sony leaned into that in their marketing HEAVILY if you remember.Going from a PS5 to a PS6 is going to face diminishing returns while likely pushing a $700–$999 retail price floor because silicon manufacturing and RAM costs are skyrocketing. You cannot sell a luxury hardware upgrade on "historical momentum" alone if the software library is identical, especially not to the casual consumerbase that you think will prop this up since the core audience is getting sick of Sony.>You cannot prove people bought a PS5 for exclusive, first-party software.Except you literally can by looking at attachment rates. Spider-Man 2 sold 11 million copies in its first few months on a stagnant user base. God of War Ragnarok cleared 15 million. They are system-sellers that drive hardware spikes during the holidays. Casuals love those games and many bought a PS5 to play them.>So why would the PS6 do poorly without banger first-party software if the PS5 had trash software all generation?Because the PS5 didn't have a dry pipeline at launch. It survived its first three years on the massive momentum of massive, high-profile projects that began development ~2018.The pipeline for the end of the PS5 era and the launch of the PS6 is shaping up to be completely barren.
>>747527942>Your point was FIRST-PARTY DEVELOPED SOFTWARE, not PLATFORM EXCLUSIVE SOFTWARE.I meant platform exclusive, calm down autismo I can make mistakes from time to time it hardly affects the actual point being made anyway. Getting tired of your sperging
>>747488326>we're actively trying to avoid another one of the most massive failures in media historyT-that's good, Sony. I'd hope so.
>>747488414>HIV-POSITIVE IMMIGRANTSFor what purpose?
>>747502720>>747502849you aren't American, tubby
>>747488326Looking at Wolverine that really doesn't seem to be true, or is this a "from now on" type of deal
>>747528386if it's "from now on" they're a little late, Concord was already 2 years ago. The plug should've been pulled on similar projects immediately.
>>747528386It's them not actually knowing/acknowledging what went wrong at all
>>747524728Apple services are overprice and a rip off. Whether or not they grow organically is besides the point of whether or not their consumers are being squeezed. If Playstation's consumers are being squeezed and that's bad for business, it's also bad that Apple is doing the same to its consumers. Except it isn't. Because Apple consumers love being squeezed by Apple and so do Snoys love being squeezed by Sony. >They aren't raising prices because of "brand love"; they are aggressively hiking subscription fees and testing dynamic storefront pricing because their user acquisition has hit a dead-end.So, it's okay for Apple to raise prices because Apple users LOVE TO GET FUCKED IN THE ASS while Playstation should not raise prices cause SNOYS DO NOT LOVE GET FUCKED IN THE ASS? >attributes the 37% operating income spike in the Game & Network Services division to those tariff refunds and foreign exchange tailwinds Total FY26 OI for G&N was still like 90% bigger than FY25 OI. It's notable, but far from significant.>The PS2 sold 155 million units...Ignoring the point. You said Playstation is in a "death spiral" because couldn't find new users. According to you, Playstation users peaked in the mid to late 2000s. So, Playstation has been in a "death spiral" for almost 17 years.1/2
>>747528386Probably just means doing the same shit they've been doing but calling it something else, just to appease their investors and shareholders and pretend like they're "fixing" shit. Whenever you read fluff piece articles like these, especially written by faggots such as paul troonski, it's always pilpul.
to be honest I'm bored of replying to you now as you aren't actually listening and we're going in fucking circles. Cya anon
>>747524728>Consoles make perfect sense if they offer a premium user experience with exclusives you can't get anywhere else. Mobile gaming is not targeting that same demographic.Mobile gaming is not the same target demographic, but it is younger, bigger, and global. Meaning, as the mobile market grows, the console market shrinks, and new users into the console market shrinks as well. Leaving the console market increasingly older, less appealing, and segregated from the larger gaming market. There's no future for a platform if it does not bring in new users.That's your fundamental criticism of Playstation. That is your thesis. If you're consistent and not a fanboy, you'd agree with me that if current trends continue, consoles are doomed. However, I suspect, you will not be consistent.Also, consoles only make sense if they make money. It's not about what they offer and if they have exclusive content. The Wii U and Vita had exclusive content and unique experiences. They crashed and burned.2/2
>We want to avoid another Concord>While Wolverine is becoming the poster child for the worst aspects of Sony's single player gamesThese guys can't get anything right, can they?
>>747488475>Sly Cooperwhen the movie is out and it does at least decently. if it bombs we never get sly cooper again beyond maybe a mobile game as a cashgrab from some third party developer.
>>747489306I understand never having heard of Medievil, but Shadow of the Colossus and Killzone?Come on. Are you trolling, nigga?
>>747529019>HIJACKEDkek these faggots make it sound like its 9/11
>>747489306>7-15 y/o during sony's zenith>only heard of medievil, killzone and sotcgun and ball or just retarded?Wait nevermind, there's no difference.
>>747510008>this single post triggered a Snoy to go into a 4-hour arguing frenzyholy fuck
>>747488326anything that doesn't involve not giving players microwaved dog shit with upscaled resolution for $80+ bucks a pop
>>747529630That's probably paul troonski himself.
>>747488921<--- This you?
>>747529831dare I ask who that is?
How Nintendo basically built their own world where whatever the fuck Sony and Microsoft do doesn't affect them at all?
>>747508504He looks very cheesed to be with you
>>747529939The faggot who wrote the article in the OP image, he's a snoyshill.
>>747488414>It's actually realWell at least it got ratio'd.
>>747488326Why don't they try making decisions specifically to make good games people want to play without making enemies of their own customers?
>>747530050By making good exclusives consistently. Genuinely, that's your answer.
>>747525791>They will put their games on PC, mobile, and Switch 2 on day one.I've already addressed this.>you have to have compelling exclusive games to get the foot in the door from consumers.I disagree. PS5 exclusive software was dogshit. Sold fine and has made a lot of money. Valve does fine as well. It's not a closed hardware platform, but it's a closed platform. >It's profitable on paper because they are aggressively cannibalizing their future pipeline to bandage the current quarterly financial sheets.1. They're not cannibalizing theit future pipeline by cancelling dogshit games.2. Even if those games were successful, they wouldn't come close to the money Sony makes from the CoD/Fortnites/FIFAs/etc.>Sony literally had to write off a massive 120 billion yen (~$800M) impairment loss on Bungie alone in their recent corporate filings. That is a big number and a good example of Sony's recent failed first-party strategy. They would've been better off working with Bungie as a third-party. See, you say Playstation needs First-Party content. Bungie was part of that effort. So, you should be in support of that purchase in principle. But that is probably the first point you've brought up that worries me. Yet, at the same time, you have yet to bring up the PS3 era. Things were far worse for Playstation then. Yet, with an $800M impairment write off (not sure what that means but I'll take it as a big bad number), things still look pretty good on paper. >Thank you for conceding.I didn't concede. Where did you make SIE's pivot into GAAS games during the PS5 generation a part of your argument that Playstation is in a bad place? Bringing up Marathon or Concord once or twice doesn't count. Bringing them up in context of a larger company wide pivot to chase live service pot of gold that disrupted first-party game output would count. But I didn't see you bring that up.1/2
>>747525791>I don't know how many times I'll have to repeat this for you to soak it all in but it sounds like you're slowly getting it!I'm not getting anything. I disagree with your assessment because it is, in the least, poorly structured and, at the worst, wrong.Let me try and summarize the debate so far. -I say Playstation makes most of its money from third-party software and doesn't need first-party software to succeed. You disagree. -You cannot prove how the PS5 succeeded using only PS5 exclusive, first-party software, yet still think the PS6 would fail without it.-You say first-party content is important, yet, ironically, you disagree with Sony's failed attempt to make their own first-party console-exclusive GAAS games. A contradiction.-I say, Playstation is still the most profitable and financially successful generation DESPITE SIE's GAAS failed GAAS pivot. Which is true.Do you dispute these statements?2/2
>>747488810>execs needs to gono, they're doing amazing job at making sony a laughing stock for everyone
>>747511468>They're in the video game distribution business. And Playstation is headed that way, tooSo they're cancelling the PS6?
>>747527184>Nobody drops $600+ on a locked-down console just to play Fortnite and Call of Duty or whatever when they can play those exact same games on a PC, phone, laptop, Switch 2, Steam Deck/PC Handheld, etc...First-party exclusives are the hook that pulls consumers in.People didn't buy 90M Playstation 5s for first-party PS5 content.>If the PS6 has zero compelling exclusives, it’s just a redundant PC without the freedom and their consumerbase will not grow (kind of like how the PS5 has not been growing lately: -36% down YoY)People did not buy 90M Playstation 5s for first-party PS5 content.>because they already bought the PS5 back when it actually had major exclusives to care about.Which exclusives are you talking about?>But you can't sell a next-gen PS6 box on historical momentum alone once the exclusive software pipeline dries up.Sure, you can. But you think Sony first-party exclusives are why 90M PS5s were sold.>Squeezing a stagnant pool of users with forced PS+ hikes and dynamic storefront pricing isn't like the healthy Valve model - it's a defensive corporate scramble because Playstation's organic hardware growth has completely maxed out and reached tipping point.Do you realize you've said this to me like 5 times at this point? Can you recognize which posts are mine?
I'm gonna be honest lads I fed him a bunch of slop ChatGPT posts to reply to so his Snoy seethe is preoccupied the entire thread for hours. He still hasn't realized.
>>747527589>while relying on the charity of external publishers (Epic, Activision, T2) to pay the billsIt's not charity. They make money off of Playstation users, too. They take 70% of a digital purchase. That's a lot.>When you strip that away, you accelerate the exact death of the platform you’re trying to prevent.Not when the alternatives are unappealing. >Meanwhile, Nintendo is running a completely healthy, vertically integrated ecosystem with controlled budgets and 100% margin first-party software that will easily survive the next 20 years.Sure, if you ignore the Wii U/3DS/Gamecube/Labo and any other failures Nintendo has experienced. BTW Nintendo isn't diversifying into theme parks and movies because of their confidence in their video game business.>Ask me how many layoffs they've had recently, how many studios they've shut down. Go ahead...As far as I can tell, none. In fact, they're growing their payrolls and expanding. Nintendo is doing better than Playstation these days. But I do think Playstation is doing poorly, cause things were far worse during the PS3 era, Xbox is a disaster, and despite everything bad that's happened to Playstation, it's still the most successful generation they've ever had.
>>747490553I hate lying woke 2 faggots so much. Like we haven't noticed what you've done to the industry openly over the past 10+ years.
>>747520724>>747520801It feels like you're intentionally misunderstand or pretending to be dumb.>line goes up, so industry is fineThis is brainlet thinking. Like the other anon said, this is the domain of investors who don't know anything about gaming and just view it as a commodity like cars or heavy appliances.>people not buying new games means the industry is fineNo, it's the opposite. It means the few publishers who own those forever games are ok today, everyone else starves, and the industry as a whole stagnates.>Valve bleeds customers because they can get away with itValve sells their hardware at cost and that's exact opposite of squeezing, you stooge. If they were marking it up and trying to get a profit on top of the high prices, that would be squeezing. It's not at all what Sony is doing.>Valve profit marginThey don't report one because they're privately held. Xbox's numbers are in the toilet (which is why the division got raped by Asha), and Nintendo is around 18 to 25%, I think.>what made Playstation successfulGood games and good hardware. They got arrogant in the PS3 era and got spanked by the 360 briefly, then brought it back with the PS4. >PS5 is the most profitable generationYes, because of store fees and live service games made by someone who isn't Sony. It's not healthy because any of those games underperforming or finding some way to get around paying Sony those store fees (like Epic tries to do with Apple) means their only durable profit center collapses.>$30b in revenueYes, but their income on that $30b is about $2.7b, which is the number I'm referring to. Their operating expenses are immense.
>>747521642Refute his points, then. Most of that report is just him collecting data and showing it to you.
>>747524484Capcom as Dr. Jekyll>RE2 RemakeCapcom as Mr. Hyde>RE3 RemakeIt really can turn on a time.
>>747527139Is Concord peak woke in a AAA game? Maybe Veilguard beats it?
>>747507593>Anyone who watched the Secret Levels thing knew there was something thereI watched it.There wasn't.
>>747528089>and Sony leaned into that in their marketing HEAVILY if you remember.AND PEOPLE MADE FUN OF THAT SHIT. LOL SUPER FAST SSD BEEN ON PC FOR YEARS ALREADY LOLOLOLBut that's fine. The reason why PS4 people upgraded to PS5 WASN'T BECAUSE OF EXCLUSIVE FIRST-PARTY SOFTWARE, IT WAS CAUSE OF BETTER HARDWARE. Okay. >Going from a PS5 to a PS6 is going to face diminishing returns while likely pushing a $700–$999 retail price floor because silicon manufacturing and RAM costs are skyrocketing. You cannot sell a luxury hardware upgrade on "historical momentum" alone if the software library is identical, especially not to the casual consumer base that you think will prop this up since the core audience is getting sick of Sony.Since you already know what the PS6 hardware will offer, it makes sense that no one would upgrade to it from the PS5. Glad you at least dropped the retarded first-party software argument. But if the PS6 launched for $700, I think it'd do fine. It's only $100 more than the PS5 right now. I think in order to be successful the price would need to come down instead of go up like consoles have this generation, but $700 would be a price people would go for. >alone if the software library is identicalAh, there's the sad, first-party exclusive software argument popping up again. I'll assume you just wanted to pad your post and forgot to leave it out.>since the core audience is getting sick of Sony.There is an segment of the Snoy audience that are growing tired of Sony, but they're a pathetic bunch and still think of console gaming as somehow superior than PC gaming. I'm skeptical how many of them would actually leave.1/2
>>747528089>Spider-Man 2 sold 11 million copies in its first few months on a stagnant user base. God of War Ragnarok cleared 15 million. They are system-sellers that drive hardware spikes during the holidays. Casuals love those games and many bought a PS5 to play them.Ragnarok was on PS4. Not exclusive first-party PS5 content. 15M didn't get sold on only PS5 either. I'm going to look up PS5 sales numbers, but I suspect you haven't. Because so many of your statements are lazy.Let's see.https://sonyinteractive.com/en/our-company/business-data-sales/Where exactly did things stagnate for the PS5....? I dunno. I'm not seeing anything. FY21 during the height of lockdowns, supply chain shocks and covid? >Because the PS5 didn't have a dry pipeline at launch. It survived its first three years on the massive momentum of massive, high-profile projects that began development ~2018.Uh...can you list those games? >The pipeline for the end of the PS5 era and the launch of the PS6 is shaping up to be completely barren.True, but, again, I don't think that matters. I don't think first-party Playstation titles matter to the vast majority of Snoys.2/2
>>747531257>ugh woke hipsters arguing with me on the internet>look inside>sony executives
>>747530531Only if Valve cancels the Steam Machine and Steam Deck.
>>747531880>>747531951hey snoybro can you explain in your own words why ps5 sales are down 36% YoY?https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2026/07/ps5-crawls-past-95-million-units-sales-down-36percent-year-on-year>>747532149Those weren't subsidized (not even at launch), they're sold at profit.
>>747531325>This is brainlet thinking.Games that don't make money die, get lay offs, studios closures, platforms shut down, etc. >It means the few publishers who own those forever games are ok today, everyone else starves, and the industry as a whole stagnates.By what measure? It's $200B a year in revenue and growing. It now has billions of users and growing.>Valve sells their hardware at cost and that's exact opposite of squeezing, you stoogeWhen a company of 400 people, each of which effectively earns $100M in revenue for the company, can't subsidize their hardware products for their biggest fans, that sounds like squeezing to me. But a Valve D R O N E wouldn't think so. Just like Snoy or Tendie would suck their corporate overlord's cocks as well.>and Nintendo is around 18 to 25%,Better than Playstations. >then brought it back with the PS4. So, you're one of those people that thinks the PS4 first-party games were...good?>because of store fees and live service games made by someone who isn't Sony. It's not healthy because any of those games underperforming or finding some way to get around paying Sony those store fees (like Epic tries to do with Apple) means their only durable profit center collapses.Just like Valve.>Their operating expenses are immense.Do you want Sony to be more profitable? Do you want...line to go up?
>>747532236Snoybro here>hey snoybro can you explain in your own words why ps5 sales are down 36% YoY?PS5 sales are down because of price hikes cause of the AI shit.>Those weren't subsidized (not even at launch), they're sold at profit.Yea, cause Valve really needs them to be proftiable.
>>747532529>PS5 sales are down because of price hikes cause of the AI shit.How will they resolve this for the PS6?
>>747532605By doing the same thing Valve did. Hike the prices so they don't lose too much money on them.
>>747532645But that won't increase sales, if anything they will drop further.
>>747532706Just like the Steam Machine/Deck. Everyone's facing the same issues in the consumer electronics sector.
>>747532751How come the Switch 2 is largely unaffected, with record sales?
>>747532789It's not. Sales are projected to be lower than expected this year as a result of the price hikes.
