New leak:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8R-bnz1MPU
>$1800 confirmedfucking OUCH
How come no one gives a fuck
>>747489121This thing is 4 years too late and costs 2x what it should. It's going to be vaporware, valve will sell a few units and then never make any again.
>$1800Gabe earns this every second, its not a lot of money to him.
>>747489252>>747489612why are you making up a price?
>>747489478The retard put his annoying kid in his review and keeps comparing it to the index instead of the quest 3.
>>747489672watch the video, 12:42 he mentions the price. Sorry you had to find out this way anon.
>>747489121>it’s real
looks promising, hope i get picked in the lottery
>EIGHTEEN HUNDRED DOLLARS>EIGHTEEN HUNDRED DOLLARS>EIGHTEEN HUNDRED DOLLARSannnnnd Dropped.
Don’t care where is Half-Life
>>747489121>no price mentionNothingburger
I can't afford $1800 for a novelty.
That's twice as expensive as I'm willing to spend, what the fuck gay ben
the RAM and CPU/GPU shouldn't rise the price that much. $1,800? seriously?
>>747489939>jump to 12:42>it's him talking about the speakersWhy lie?
damncurrent price leaks say it's slightly above index
Stop it with your meme price for fuck's sake
his kid trooned out? Been hanging around "Emily" too much
>>747490306I can because I'm not poor.
>1949,00 EUR at least its 1tb but what the fuck
6 MILLION DOLLARS???
what the fuck? I can't afford to spend $4000 on this crap.
you can buy a VR headset thats twice as good for $1800, Valve are deluded
6 million dollars? oy vey!
>>747489506I don't think you know what vaporware means.
>Controllers and dongle sold seperately wtf
>free Steam download NOT includedyou guys are sheeple if you support this kind of jewery
>>747489121its private but if it didnt mention the price then who caresseeing how its taken them this long it can't be anything but bad news
>1799 us dollarsI'm gonna fucking riot
>>747490221This
>$12 monthly subscription needed to use it for PCVRlmao
>I CAN'T FRAME
>1800 dollars + tax (tip not included)I'm buying at least two, this is a perfect christmas gift for my non-biological son
>Video link doesnt work anymoreSHUT IT DOWN
>>747490932>he thought steam machine having no controller was a one off
>$1800 + subscription to gabes onlyfansWhat the fuck
>>747491094>complaining about 1392 FREE STEAM POINTS entitled much ?
>>747491159https://drive.google.com/file/d/10_QoDoGW3AOMg3mAUqAIaGUpL5lJqCJZ/view?usp=sharing
no new game, it's over
>>747491479>VR dolphin pornthanks i guess
>>747490537WDYM? He mentions the price for EU and US and the optional accessories too. Speakers were at 13:40
>$2999 + tip + tax + online play subscriptionHoly fuck I'll need to tap into my boy's college fund
>>747489121does anybody have the video downloaded before they privated it?
>>747491840>>747491479
>>747491840no it's lost media now
Holy moly, we knew it was going to be expensiveBut $3999 USD???
>>747489252>>747489939>Lying for the only purpose of telling a lieAnonymity makes people assholes.
>>747491884oh shit I didnt see it, thanks
>>747491840https://archive.org/details/our-first-30-mins-with-the-steam-frame-u-8-r-bnz-1-mpu
>>747491840>>747491884alsohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkpbrlPPnFs
>Gabe saw them shit on it and had it deleted
>>747491605Have you considered MAID my little leafy jeet friend?
honestly not suprising now, they just updated SteamVR like 2 days ago and its all OpenXR related shit which is what the Steam Frame is going to rely on for android ports.
>Watching the video>800 dollars for the frame>Oh alright, I knew anon was bullshit->800 dollars for a frame over one eye>You need to pay 800 dollars more for both eyesWhat the fuck
>1 million dollarsholy shit this is going to flop hard
apparently the price linus mentioned (1800) was already outdated, its closer to 2200 nowreupload will display the correct number
>>747491941bro just watch the video, what's the point in trying to gaslight people?
>>747492231its for accessibility reasons fucking lib progressives
>You need to send your retinal scan to the feds to buy games rated 18+
>>747492307No evidence. Only deflection.
>Big nosed people get it cheaperkinda weird?
>>747492438zucc watched me jerk off to vr porn, now gabe can watch me jerk off instead
>>747492023his Daughter is really cute, but i would never show her anywhere on the internet
>>747492649>his Daughter is really cutemeh, for a hapa girl she's bottom tier, they're usually way more pretty on average
>>747492510The evidence is the fucking video
I'm not gonna get this but I'm still excited because it means rapid improvements to ARM compatibility after release like what happened to Linux after the Deck.
FUCK gaben and FUCK valve drones
>>747492649yeah she's cute. Honestly kind of surprising given what linus and his wife look like>>747492719that's because she's like 13 and not wearing makeup yet like the rest
>>747492721I aint downloading this, give us a webm my guy I wanna see the price
You SICK FUCKS she’s a child
Jesus you people are freaks.
His kids look like monkeys I couldn't do it.
>>747492976give me like 10 minutes I'll upload the webm, 4mb file limit is fucking me in the ass rn
>bro needs the video turned into little tiktoks because his attention span is COOKED
>willingly watching 30 minutes of shilling
>>747493507>not using fast forward
>Steam Machine streaming not supportedlol
>no price revealSo it was nothing we didn't really already know, lame.
>>747490929If most people can't get one then it is effectively vaporware.
>>747493047OUT OF 10
People are lining up to buy an overpriced Quest 3.
>>747493863>>no price revealwatch it again retardI swear you guys have no attention span
>Apple-tier pricing for the ergonomic accessories kit
>tendies making up prices because they're still assblasted about the decklollmao
>>747493809seriously what the fuck is up with valve not getting VR support on Linux on par with Windows? its been like this since the Index
>$1800 for white people>$1700 for asians>$1400 for blacksHow is this allowed?
>1800 base model, sucks ass, lower resolutiondo NOT buy the frame, I repeat, do NOT buy the framedo not even pay attention to it anymore at all and definitely don't enter the reservation queue
>>747489121Reminder that you can't do this with the Steam Frame and its dogshit black and white camera
>>747494264>Say you're black>Get product cheaperLiberal logic DESTROYED by trickery and deception.
>>747492791ARM is shit and will never be a mature ecosystem until something like UEFI is standardized.If installing an arbitrary OS on an architecture may involve stealing it from customer service while they have the bootloader unlocked as a mandatory step, then it's not a usable architecture.The more interesting progress will be wireless streaming on Linux instead of Poodroid, meaning that something like Electric Maple gets integrated into mainline WiVRN instead of the eternal "Why do you need that, standalone Poodroid streaming exists. What is your usecase?" Jew.>>747494673Reminder that they already leaked a color passthrough camera that you can stick on the front, so you can do it.
>>747494673I wish a VR anime girl could jerk me off and then demand payment after I cum
>>747494062Post a fucking webm of him stating the price then because I don't see a price anywhere
>>747494997>demand payment after I cumthis nigga wants gatcha mechanics in jerking off
>>747495007Did you know that people like to lie on the internet?
what the FUCKhttps://gachi.gay/hLhZhF.mp4https://gachi.gay/03SAOm.mp4
>>747495810>https://gachi.gay/hLhZhF.mp4KEEEK
>>747495810You need to clip the part where gaben announced the price
>>747495007Nothing about price in the video.
>no hand trackingwhyyyy
>>747496343so mario can't real
these trolls saying theres no price are getting so annoyinglike yea, we get it you missed the first video uploadno need to shit up the thread now
>>747496343it has the hardware for it, they just didn't make the software for it (or at least we don't know if they did)I'm quite certain they'll add it not that long after launch
>>747493507It's only 15 minutes at 2x speed
>>747495810kek
>>747496770Linus already has a screechy voice at normal playback, two times speed must be horrific
>>747496343everyone jerking off their buds in vrchat already have specialty gloves, no need for a headset upgrade to include that bloat.
VR isn't that cool, definitely not $1800 cool. I bought a WMR headset like 7 years ago for $300 and I don't see a reason to upgrade at all.
>>747489478VR is dead. Facebook jews killed it. Maybe in 20 years people will care again. Just hope billionaires don't ruin it again.
>>747495810>Linus kissing his kid on the mouth in the first oneI don't even want to open the second video
>>747496504what would you do if you had a tiny mario
>>747497131Raised pitch from increased playback speed hasn't been a thing in years
i thought his kids were smaller? like 6 or 7 years at mostwhat the fuck happened
>>747489121FOUR THOUSAND DOLLARS!?
>>747495810Sadly it's not really bradley.
>>747497781that's a big cock
I'll just wait for the Quest 4 for hundreds of dollars less and good passthrough
>>747489121was there any hint of a release date?
wait if linus has a kid that means.... linus... my man xD
>>747498024This! I want eyetracking-enabled ad content and automatic content recognition on everything I do!It's my dream to have the meta indian watching me call the police when I load a ATF model on VAM
>>747495810Oh, thats gore. thats gore of my favorite comfort character...
>>747498150Yeah he mentioned it right after the price.
>>747498419you can just not connect it to the internet bro
Whats the point of this being a PC if youre going to use an external PC anyway?Just make it cheaper by not making it a standalone PC ffs
>>747495810>h-how do you upload nintendo rom to the visor pa?>it's a USB line, i'll show you later? What the hell does that even mean?
>>747498024I'd rather not have Zuck's cock in my mouth but to each their own
>>747498895Many are saying this
>>747499058More for me
>>747498895has to have compute to be wireless
>>747489121>>747492023So, why there's 2 youtube links? What the second one was. Or did someone reupload original vid back on youtube?
>>747499454they've been taken down
1800$ lmao, just buy a headset from Meta
There's going to be a metric shit-ton of VR games/mods running natively on this. Every single old console game recomp is going to have a VR mod designed for the Frame.
>>747489121>>747491479No mention of the price, the screen quality, or the experience of actually using the thing, it's just an unboxing and showing off his kids again
>>747498895You have the option to do either, and there are good cases for both.
until vr headsets are €200 that have 4k for each eye so you don't get screen door effect and the headset doesn't feel like a sauna when you put it on, i'm gonna wait.the vive was a horrible product and i still regret my purchase
>>747500120okay but how many new VR games
>Steam leaks achievements (and an old database) recently>Linus leaks Steam Frame earlyKarma, I guess.
who the fuck is gonna buy this crap for 1800$ fuck valve
>>747500203yeah that's short circuit, and the video is explicitly the unboxingwe all wish the main channel video (actual review) got leaked but alas
>>747498150Nope. But if Valve is giving kits to tech youtubers for impressions, it has to be extremely close, they’d have no reason to give non-finalized kits such publicity.Price is the real question here.
>>747499058How? It works with Steam and has no DRM
>>747498150>>747500494It's releasing on monday. That video was filmed on aug 24th and uploaded on friday (as unlisted)
Watched it full and it's just an unboxing. No price and barely any new infos. Hopefully the full review will come the same day.>>747498328LINUS SEX TIPS?
>>747489121VR companies are purposely sabotaging VR because the AI Oracle told them that the microwave holodeck is coming by 2030 anyway but they've already promised their investors VR stuff so they have to release SOMEthing. Their just stalling.
>>747498895There's already should be headsets that are wireless and also don't have a pc in them, think?But also. as i understand, position, eye and controller tracking, pass through and wifi connectivity all better be done locally on headset, and these tasks are somewhat compute intensive, so it would be stupid to not include a proper SoC in there, because it would already have a weaker one just to do the compute tasks listed above. But that's me talking out of my ass.Also meta and chinese standalone headsets already set the baseline for new headsets.
>>747499595Like, yeah? they were, but the reuploads only have one video. But 2 youtube links suggest that there were 2 different leaked videos.
>>747491969Nice. Thanks. I don't want to watch this fag though but at least I can see anons are bullshitting about the price.
>>747501220thats because someone just reuploaded the LTT video after they privated it.
>>747501220the link in >>747492023 is just a reupload
>>747499243>Wireless>Look inside>WiresJust have an external compute unit handle wireless and you can have something that's dual purpose.>>747501042Doing them locally on the headset is retarded. A short cable leading to an external SoC will not cause any problems that would make it worth dealing with having the SoC in the headset.Standalone with integrated SoC is going to die, batteries are already moved to external housings to comply with the EU regs (including the battery in the headset was retarded anyway and only done to speed up obsolescence) and the component uncertainty means that they're going to have problems with product launches if they have to sell everything as one package. Standalone "worked" when components were cheap and readily available. This final wave of standalone headsets are just whatever was in development and would have lost more money on preproduction if they had switched.
>>747490219I would never be so careless with something so expensive.
>$1800I'll stick with a $350 meta quest 3, thanks.
>>747489252maybe not 1800 but easily over 1000 since they have rendering eye tech, and it's basically a mini pc strapped to your head. But also LMAO 1000+ for a shitty lcd display
>no mention of an $1800 price tag ANYWHERE in the video>retards keep regurgitating itWho the fuck goes into a thread just to tell lies?
>power supply sold seperately Fucking kek even the quest comes with one, guess valve is being greedy little piggies
>>747503891>>power supply sold seperatelywith every day I hate the EU more
>>747503791>the steam machine is totally going to be 700$ faggot, stahp lying >:( >1000+Hmmmm if the shoe fits
>>747503987Why? The EU is the only one making consumer friendly laws.
>>747504131Muh environment while not taking any stance on india and china, but a cable in your box is too far
>>747503791Why are you defending Valve?
>>747501884>Just have an external compute unit handle wireless and you can have something that's dual purpose.But that's retarded.But also, locally means on the headset side, not that it's inside the headset itself where the lenses are and etc. tracking was done at some point on the host pc, but i think that's also untrue, like the lighthouse tracking worked by capturing the lighthouse base station by the all detectors on headset and controllers, and not the other way around, which could mean that tracking was done on the headset with the results being send to the host pc.It 90% was done like that, i remembered that old headsets already had the tech where the received image is skewed by the newer headset position.Also the SoC in a dongle is kinda retarded from another angle. SoC needs to be cooled. but if it's external and/or dagnles around, users will start putting it up their ass (or in backpacks and pockets) for comfort, and fry the compute unit until it dies. It's not a problem for batteries because they don't need to be cooled to a degree SoC does. and you can replace it if it breaks. So the SoC is put in the headset because it is guaranties that it can be cooled properly
>>747504343I still don't understand what you're talking about. Making USB-C a common charging requirement is objectively a good thing. No one wants to fiddle around with a billion proprietary chargers and cables like Apple enforces. Don't confuse Valve being jews with a good change.
>>747504373Retardest comment of the day award goes to: this retard.
>>747504008Not him, but I was excited to see a shitstorm about an official price and leak but instead got nothing. You've only tricked me and made me upset.
>>747504714current leaker vagueposts hint at it being near index price but not belowso it's likely going to be 1049 base
>>747489121>his kid trooned outKEKAROOOOOOOOOO
>>747504960Fuck you man i almost believed it.
>>747505080either they all look the same or that's his songranted ive stopped watching him years ago so idk how many kids he has
>>747504960nah the son is jacked
You could literally buy the steam frame or this entire cart of shit and STILL save moneyHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>747504008Yeah it's pretty obvious Valve doesn't care to or can't price their hardware properly in the current climate. Anyone thinking the frame will sub $1000 are delusional.
>no priceliterally nothing matters
>>747505569stuff like black and white passthrough made it obvious they were trying to cut costs but that doesn't mean much when ram + ssd prices go through the roof (plus the actual processor they're using also raised its price)
>>747505569They're only pricing it $1000+ now because of retards like you saying it must be $1000+ and I'll buy it even if it's $1000+
>$1800holy fuck
>>747505262>3,000 pop tarts
>>747506034>(plus the actual processor they're using also raised its price)that one's a 15 bucks increaseit's mostly the ram, I wouldn't be surprised if almost half of the cost is now ram
>>747505235kek the contrast
>>747506054Everyone said the steam machine was going to be $650 and look where we are. Valve doesn't give a fuck about you in both senses.
>>747506054OK never mind, you get the retardest comment of the day award.
>>747505235>tween son mogs lttits over
>>747506176Yeah these days it's RAM and storage that are the killers. I used to buy used government laptops/PCs for parts and to tinker. Could get a cheap old dell optiplex for like $25 or less when on bulk. Now all those same listings come without RAM and SSD. Glowies in the government are stripping them all before resale lmao
>>747506291>Everyone said the steam machine was going to be $650nah, retards like you said it was going to be 1500 and was worth 650
>>747506176they should invent tiny sodimm slots just for VR headset so companies can sell them separately
>>747506472its only $1300 and worth $400 kek
>>747506472My personal prediction was $900, but's worth $500 at best.
>>747505262>TengaBuy a real onahole please
>>747505235>lats build onlywhat's his routine
>>747489121The vid is blocked.
>>747506957Only white people can see it.
>>747489121I would've been around 700 if not for RAM shit
>>747500203>the screen qualityHe said it was just a basic LCD, nothing special. He noticed discolorations on the edges of the screen. Orange on one side and blue on the other.
>>747507702>He noticed discolorations on the edges of the screen. Orange on one side and blue on the otherthat's just chromatic aberration
>>747507906>that's just chromatic aberrationYep, something that won't be present on the micro oled Meta Phoenix.
>>747508354yep, thanks to the very low fov
>>747508354nothing will be present on the meta phoenix lmao
>>747489252fpwpNever suck more cocks than OP, anon.
>>747489121>privateGay
>>747489121You guys are fucking useless, where the alternative link
>>747508626It is acceptable to me. >>747508729What is this sentence supposed to mean?
>it's the same as the indexwhat's the point then, 95% of all gamers play VR while seatedthe cable is a non-issue
If there aren't enough games that lets me bounce some sexy sluts titties with that those inputs, what's the point?
based white canadian considering early investor stocks into multi millionaire hapa, many such cases (thousands) in British Columbia
>1800$what the fuck is valve doing?
>>747509035sorry about the high price anon
>>747510147sorry about all those dicks in your butt anon
>>747505235need DNA test
>>747505262>he buys 30 usd figures
>>747509430>what's the point thenHe's said multiple times that he's tried many different headsets but the index is the one that ended up staying in his house no matter what, despite the obvious flaws.It's basically him saying this is the new standard
>>747510512hapa men get a life-deciding coin flip at birth, either they get mom genes and end up being a brown manlet, or they get dad genes and have a good shot of becoming a gigachad
>>747505235holy fuckwhites just get DELETED from existence don't they
>>747489252Former PC gamer here I quit it's just too expensive when I can barely afford to go to work let alone pay rent or rates and food bills
>>7474978714jewIf he took the vax would he die?
>>747510848i dont who is uglier linus or his wifeeither way, his son will grow up to be a massive douche with millions on the bank, we'll prob see him in cocaine savage parties in Vancouver once he goes to college
Some autismos noticed that his smartwatch has the date set to Aug 24, it'll be 3 weeks by monday I believe the review time for the machine was similarIf gaben doesn't give me a price on Monday I'm swimming to his house
>>747505262>2880 poptarts
What's the real price this bot is spamming
>>747512025full of suger and saturated fats for healthy gamers
>>747512097watch the video
I just want>OLED or whatever gives me actual blacks>Full FOV>Foveated renderingIs that too much to ask? If a device can't offer all 3 then VR just isn't readyImagine not being able to buy a PC with a GPU, RAM, and HDD and you had to pick and choose which ones you want
>>747512025Honestly you people laugh at poptart hoarders, but you really dont have enough poptarts yourselves. The average person eats 1 box per day. If you have a family of 4, that's 28 boxes a week. Over 100 a month. Poptarts will be worth their weight in gold in a few months, because everyone needs it.
>>747512383Which one is even real anymore? There's so much bullshit in here now
>>747511748Read the thread. It's $1,800.
Everybody will be using it for PCVR. If they kept it tethered, it wouldn't need a phone inside and it would cost significantly less. Trying to copy Meta during RAM crisis is fucking retarded. They can't even get enough units to start selling it.
>>747512759Oh i see the shitposter nowYeah there's no price for the frame in the video, only the ergonomic kit which is 60, and knowledge that apparently they sell power bricks separately tooHopefully them being a bit more jewish about accessories means the headset itself won't be too far past 1k
>>747505235Wtf? Wasn't his (only) son only like 7 or something or am I out of touch? It's been several years since I actually watched a Linus video earnestly.
>>747512981Ah ok, well fuck that loser and I guess we will just have to wait for more in the future.
>>747512921no one would buy it if it was tethered
>>747513348Nobody is going to buy untethered device at full price. Only other direct DP device with outside-out tracking is Pimax or maybe PSVR2 and they're both cope options.
>>747513714all tethered devices are cope options, a tether is cope technology, also you forgot the vive focus vision that no one bought
>>747511019Asian genes are strong, even blacks get asianize when they mix
>>747512464>OLED>full fov>Is that too much to ask?yes, unless you're okay with fresnel lenses, then you can use regular oled (psvr2)otherwise, nomicro oled displays are bright enough to use pancake lenses, but they're too small to have a good fov
>>747513348no one will buy it anyway
Two more weeks
>>747514257valve is incapable of stocking enough to prevent it selling out no matter how overpriced
>>747514317literally monday
>>747512025>$1057.50 in Pop-TartsBut is it enough difference to make a difference? You be the judge.
>>747513971You will never be able to reach same quality over the radio connection and you have to solve so many problems - foveated rendering, compression, frame delays, connection interference and hardware to process all that. It's peak definition of solution for problem that shouldn't exist. Add to that the current economy and you will end up with expensive device Valve can't even manufacture.
>>747514412They have twice as many units as they did for the machine, which is a way more broadly appealing product, so I'm feeling good about my chances.
>>747514693The delays show, they can't get them fast enough, it will take them a year to get new if the initial batch runs out.
looks like the fomo-troons are out in full forcethis literally happens every time
>>747514667I already use foveated encoding with a quest pro and it works great, and getting tangled in a cable and feeling it pull the whole time you're playing is a problem that does exist, and wireless is the solutionI will NEVER go back to tethered, and neither will any hardware company that gives a shit, if PSVR3 ever gets made for the PS6 it will also be wirelessand what do you expect valve to do otherwise? Suddenly design a tethered headset and somehow release it before ram prices go back to normal and it loses its only reason for existing?
>>747515332>I already use foveated encoding with a quest pro and it works greatnicethe eye tracking of the quest pro is notably slow so it's a really good sign for the frame
>>747515332I care more about image quality and performance that I do about cables. wifi speeds inherently limits maximum framerate. Modern cables can be made smaller and light and weight less that a battery pack. Tangling would still be a problem, but I never found it worse that having to recharge or batteries having limited life.What I want is reliable PC headset with modern optics. That's it. Not expensive device with hardware that most its buyers will not need. Valve decided to make headset usable with Steam games and for Steam customers, yet decided to target Meta standalone casuals. It makes no sense.
>>747516514Are you happy with the image quality and performance of current gen VR?Because it seems that is more or less what it offers.Or would you prefer a headset that is leaps improved in visual quality but just as heavy and tethered as before?
His daughter looks exactly like his son kekI'm not sure which is worse
>>747518083I would prefer improvement. I can already buy current gen device for less money and so can anybody else. That's the point.
>>747518212She needs to eat something, her knees are wider than the rest of her legs. I guess the plane was really expensive.
imagine the people that waited for this lmaoJust get a quest 3s for 199$ black friday, play all the VR games you wanna play and then leave it on a shelf most of the time which is what happens to all VR headsets
>>747514693>they have 10 units instead of 5wao, color me impressed
best case scenario from the steam frame is other companies make clones that are cheaper and have more supply, but this won't happen with RAM prices being as they are (also they probably can't clone the cheap eye tracking valve figured out)
>>747518659Yeah if you already own a headset there is little point outside of the comfort factor. But I think that was Valve's goal? The frame, controller and cube all seem to be designed for a generation of first time buyers.Rather than buying your first pc in a supermarket, Valve made their own alternative. I imagine if it weren't for the AI crisis, they'd be priced appropriately too.
How long do you think the Quest is going to stay before getting a price increase?
>>747519501~60k in the US
>>747519592>first time buyers>on their own storefront where you need to enter a raffle to buyYeah... nobody made a steam account to buy any of this. It all went to fanboys
>>747519592There is no generation of first buyers anymore. Maybe when they first started thinking about a new device, but that has been 5 years ago. They missed they target audience and the release window.>I imagine if it weren't for the AI crisis, they'd be priced appropriately too.Not a chance. Not with Meta selling their devices at low price.
>linux>foveated streaming and the most powerful dongle known to manThat's literally all of the steam frame's positives. Any reason to not wait for a different headset? No, I will use a fucking cable no matter how hard you metashills cope
>>747519938>>Not a chance. Not with Meta selling their devices at low price.valve was never going to sell at a loss like facebook has been, but a 1100 dollar pro-sumer headset would have been a lot more palatable than the 2k+ we're currently looking at
>>747520041>Any reason to not wait for a different headset?wait for what?the next step up would be a oled headset but they're all garbage due to displays being tiny, so you'll have to wait until at least 2030 for something half decent to come out
>>747520041>Any reason to not wait for a different headset? No, I will use a fucking cable no matter how hard you metashills copehow is wanting a wireless headset not made by meta a metashill position?
>>747520104They should've bothered to make a new game to go with their new headset then, even the quest 3 had batman/asgard's wrath as pack-in titles.
>>747520041>No, I will use a fucking cable no matter how hard you metashills copecables ARE fucking garbagethe cheap cables with power spliced in will stutter every 30 seconds and the OG cable from meta is fibreoptic so there's no power and youre limited to like 1-2 hours of playtime
>>747520041"foveated streaming" is a fucking idiotic technical compromise. This thing has inferior wireless to a headset from TEN YEARS AGO (htc vive had WiGig dongles with actual uncompressed wireless)
>>747520403I fucked up, I meant that I will not use a fucking cable>>747520279Proper handtracking for AR shit and color passthrough
>>747520104Even then it would still be too expensive compared to its direct competition. Valve has an army of people who would buy anything, so they could at least try to aim to release a device that offers something that you can't currently buy.
>>747520357supposedly they're working on a standalone build of alyxwhich, okay cool but it's still the same fucking game
>>747520476>Proper handtracking for AR shitthat's really just software-side shit, it has all the capabilities to do soI'm pretty sure valve/arcturus are working on that in the background, otherwise seeing how open the frame is you'll get solutions for that soon after launch>and color passthroughdid you miss the leaked color passthrough add-on for the frame? mogs the AVP and from insiders will be about 150 bucks
>>747520565the era of valve is long gone anon, that ship sailed with portal 2 (or csgo if you're a europoor)
>>747520469>WiGigUnfortunately, anything with ability to stream uncompressed image will have signal that can be stopped by anything. We're in the age of idiotic compromises.
Meta lost most of their talent and globohomo funding, why do people still talk like they matter? Current products notwithstanding, of course.
>>747520896it actually worked really well, it's not like this valve dongle is going to work in other rooms. yes wigig roughly needs LoS but so do the new shitty solutionsthere is also a wigig successor standard with 20x higher bandwidth now, i think some of the Pimax headsets are planned to use them
>>747520964probably because Quest 3 is 4 years old, costs $500, and is superior to valve's $1200+ 2026 headsetmakes sense when valve hires women to do its hardware products
>$60 for some velcro and plastic>no charger in the box>software isnt even finished despite it being delayed a bunch
>>747521074based anon running disinfo to make sure to get a frame day one
>>747520357Valve is like philosophically stingy when it comes to shipping hardware, they want to be a games hardware manufacturer while also signaling everything is a fucking PC linux box for some reason while still selling your data to it's partners just to skim everything off the top.
>>747520998>it actually worked really well, it's not like this valve dongle is going to work in other rooms.Why are we getting this retarded solution then? Instead of wifi7 dongle, we could be getting this. Is valve really so up their ass they couldn't try to make something new?
>>747521152i actually don't own any headsets, i had a quest 3 for a while, enjoyed it till the novelty wore off, then sold it.a lot of people don't know the quest 3 is actually better today than when it came out. like it shipped with a 100hz framerate cap, now it does 240hz (just via firmware updates.) the steam frame only goes up to 144hz.240hz feels good but i still prefer actual monitors, even for games people associate with VR, like flight sims. it is a hugely superior experience to be surrounded by three big, high-refresh-rate monitors, rather than to have one shitty phone screen strapped to my face
>>747520720hey you don't need to tell me that, alyx was boring besides the jeff part>>747521109the software still being unfinished is really damning, according to the leaked linus vid the steam machine can't even pair with the frame yet
>>747521368>Why are we getting this retarded solution then?that's the thing: no one knows. it is literally just technological suicide. A DECADE AGO they solved wireless streaming with no latency or compression, then they chose to use this much shittier solution.it is probably to save costs, since a WiGig radio costs like $30 or whatever, and every retarded VR company wants to put a $300 mobile phone motherboard+APU in to their headset now so brown 12yos can play roblox in VR
>>747521371They all still stream at 90 or less, no?
>>747521498>They all still stream at 90 or less, no?idk i used my quest 3 wired. i think HTC Vive and Valve Index streamed at full refresh rate when you used the wigig adapter
>>747521498virtual desktop lets you stream at 120hz
>>747521453Alyx was amazing, most fun i've had with a game in 20 years.
>>747521371>now it does 240hz (just via firmware updates.)it doesn't you negro you didn't even TRY reading you slop outputit says right there it can't go past 207 without compression, since that's the exact maximum bandwidth the display driver can reachALSO you will never reach 207 in a stable manner because the panels were simply not manufactured with these tolerances in mind, most people can't get above 160-180 stable and going above makes it shit itself (and it's going to be a blurry mess anyway)you'll be able to do the exact same trick with the frame and since it's toleranced for 144 it's going to be easier to run higher>>747521498VD lets you do 144 now I believe
>>747520998Current pimax one does up to 2880 x 2880 qt 90hz.Which kinda defeats using it with the more expensive pimax headsets.No idea if you can jailbreak it to work with other usbc headsets.
>>747521665>it doesn'tit does. i used my quest 3 at 240hz. are you retarded?not reading the rest of your brown 80IQ post. neck yourself
>>747521476That $300 mobile phone is there to handle decompression.>>747521575>>747521665As far as I know, Frame says they can achieve 11ms frame delay streaming, can VD really do less?
>>747521665>ALSO you will never reach 207 in a stable manner because the panels were simply not manufactured with these tolerances in mindOnce again I am reminded that neo-nu-/v/ is made up of 14-year-old black and mexican children who know literally nothing about technology.
>>747521808>That $300 mobile phone is there to handle decompression.1. why the fuck would you use a $300 phone APU for a task that a $10 ASIC would handle with 1/20th the power requirement2. why the fuck would you use a $300 phone APU for decompression when a $30 wigig radio makes it so you don't have to use compression
>>747521808pretty sure the phone chip is there to play standalone games, being able to do decompression is a secondary feature
This shit is doa.
>>747521725>yes I totally used my headset in a way that causes intense ghosting and crashes in minutes while not being smoother than running at 180, and having lower detail due to mandatory display scaling above 207>>747521856you didn't need to reply twice you mongoloid, go learn about panel overdrive sometime
>>747512790It's not you fuckin tard
>>747522075It's the other way. Meta wanted to go untethered and needed hardware for that. Adding a slightly stronger hardware to handle both was a good bonus at the time. Now, the hardware that can handle both cost much more than a simple one-purpose chip. I have no clue why Valve decided to copy the device that has completely unachievable conditions in current market.>>747521945
>>747522352Facebook simply put 240hz panels in their headset and underprovisioned them to 120 so they could "unlock" additional capabilities in-place to keep the headset competitive as competitors tried to 1-up it. You can't overclock a 120hz LCD to 240hz, it would die long before that.
>>747497305I just wanted to troll 4chan, why is the video some sort of child predator vid.
sir you cannot reached 120hz into 207hz the pixels are not made for such,, it will not worked, you will surely get the karkland
>pop the AI bubble>cost immediately drops down to $500
>>747522719don't forget, they never dropped the index price the entire time it was being sold
>>747522719ai has nothing to do with valve's retarded decision to double the price of their headset by including a full fledged computer with a GPU in it
>>747522802>AI has nothing to do with prices being quadrupled for at least 2 more years
>>747513006His son is three and half years away from being able to post here without getting banned, anon.
>>747522489Considering the ghosting after around 200, they definitely aren't 240Hz panels. They're probably designed for 165, and they put a driver capable of pushing 207 on there.They underprovisioned them to 120 for battery life and because it's quite hard to manage to push more than that in real cases. Standalone can't do it outside of a very few potato games, and for streaming the decoding speed becomes problematic
>>747522890did AI force valve to put a computer, with GPU and RAM and the according costs, into their headset? no, that was the female diversity hires' groupthink tribal instinct telling them to imitate facebook
>>747522953What ghosting?
>>747521371200hz on the oculus 3 is bad, it fucking drains your battery, theres hardly any games that actually takes advantage of the full framerate refreshrate, not to mention, the LCD screens weren't designed in that mind, so you get horrible ghosting and smearing, bad contrast, etc. theres a reason why it gets capped, its for stability. and by the way, you can do this to any TV or screen, try using CRU on any 60hz screen to 80hz and you'll notice that it looks horrible the second theres any motion.
>>747523041nigga what are you blindthat's literally the first thing everyone complains about after trying to put it at 240
>>747522714What do you think happens when you try to set the position of liquid crystals faster than they can respond, high-school dropout?
>>747522975facebook has the overwhelming majority of actual VR users and software, valve wants them on steam and the only way to do that is to fund an android translation layer and make the frame have standalone functionalitysame reason they gave the frame controllers parity with regular controllers, they want it to be able to do as much as possible
>>747497449I'd combine him with tiny hitler to create the ultimate tiny lifeform
>>747522975Sorry, I didn't know I was speaking to a retard
>>747523657>facebook has the overwhelming majority of actual VR users and software, valve wants them on steamthis is the same IQ level as retards who go "so, fortnite is popular and makes a lot of money. we need to clone fortnite and steal their players"you're brown so of course you agree with the thoughts of valve's campo santo employees (brown women)
oh it's just the artifact schizo
>1tb+kit+camera confirmed less than 1.4k by leaker, meaning 1tb is at absolute most 1.2kthe light at the end of the tunnel...
>>747523903>valve should release a tethered headset in 2026 and if you disagree, you're brown!!!!mongoloid>>747524321source?
>>747523657They don't actually need a standalone to do that. Any computer can handle standalone VR games better than the headset. They just needed to think how to run and stream these games from PC to headset without compression. It would be cheaper than developing all those optimization and buying additional RAM.
>>747523903NTA. I think it's more the people who complained about not having the space for tethered VR. Also makes the unit easier to demo which could help push vr interest. >streaming dongleDoesn't let you take it that far from the PC either and "other room" probably comes with the *burger drywall asterisk.
>>747524741>I think it's more the people who complained about not having the space for tethered VRtrying to sell a new insurgent technology (something that naturally only sells to enthusiasts) to poor normalfags living in apartments is a genius idea that only campo santo's brave brown women could come up with. it totally worked for facebook (even though meta VR has lost tens of billions of dollars and the marketing costs alone exceed the consumer revenue)
$1800 is like a down payment on a used car. on a VR HMD that doesnt even come with controlllers.
>>747489252Tbh, it will honestly be 1800 Australian dollars here
>>747524741Wifi7 has a high enough frequency to have problems with thick walls. To get the optimal condition, you will have to be in the same room anyway.
>>747497449But the tiny Mario didn't do anything, even if he thinks he did!
>>747524871You don't need to tell me that. But it's a typical case of listening to larper yapping. But nothing here will really reach enthusiasts. Those will either get an 8k headset or have something comparable alrdy at home. The frame on paper IS an entry level headset no matter where the price tag will end up
>>747525215>Those will either get an 8k headset or have something comparable alrdy at home.pimax headsets are actual dogshit with awful FOV, awful refresh rate, lacking basic features, etc. most VR "enthusiasts" have an Index or a Quest 3
what happened with nofio anyway, people were hyped for a wireless index and then it bombed
>>747525215I would buy a full-resolution headset that doesn't need lighthouses without thinking twice. Pimax is not an option
>>747525319That would be the "having something comparable category">>747525383Than you have to wait or go for a galaxy xr which afaik is comparable in software problems to pimax.
>>747525351Loud vocal minority. Index hasn't sold that much and even less people who still bother with using one don't care about spending $400 more for a shitty adapter with major artifacting.
>>747493939That's not what vaporware means.
>>747525351they never figured out how to make it stable
>>747525687I was hoping Valve's next headset would offer that. It's sad, but I'll just have to keep looking.
>>747491969Mixed race Asian children always just look Asian.
>>747498895I agree.
>>747522719hahaha yeah just like terrif refunds will drip back to consumers
>>747505235>this is what Americans call jackedBut god man….they just look 100% Asian.
>>747505235Get a fkn dna test Linus you beta>>747508354I’m not buying meta shit
>>747489121>There were people who unironically believed this thing was going to cost less than an Index.Lmaoing at your life.
>>747520041The cables ruin it for me and I cannot use a cable in my current setup
>>747489121My price estimate.1200 American.
>>747526423it literally was before the ram crisis
>>747520701>150You're fucking retarded if you think that thing is going to have better passthrough than an AVP and handtracking for that much.
>>747520998>it's not going to work in other roomsDidn't the Linus video mention that it'll be able to pair to your regular wi-fi at the same time?
>>747526727
>>747526993i'm killing brad if it's above 200
>>747526993Because webcams have ram.*nod nod*Lel
>>747527187Anything even remotely touching silicon got a price bump, definitely not as bad as ram but still.>>747527165https://x.com/jrpowers/status/2094861359704138195
>>747526909The dongle is wifi7 router. Your home router, if you even have wifi7, will have all the problems the dongle has except the dongle will not be handling your other network traffic.
>>747527302>hehe dont worry it isn't going to be 500k yen just 100k yen!lmao yeah enjoy forking over another grand for passthrough that should have been included from the start
>>747497550>he doesn't watch his youtube with analog audiopoorfag detected
>>747527896>he fell for the komodo placeholder priceif you believe that then the frame is $6k>>747527510dongle is 6e, but frame supports 7 iirc
>>747524321256GB is $1149
>>747528070You're right. I might have confused it because Frame is supposed to use 6ghz band.
>my entire world is grey>the only color in my life is from the anime I'm watchingI dunno about you guys, monochrome passthrough sounds LUDO and KINO
>>747526423Do you leak cum all over that chubby cat bitch?
>>747528168that's 1tb256 is 1049
>still can't stream from the machine at time of review>advertised feature>these devices were supposed to launch together at the beginning of this yearI get that they are about quality over quantity but you need to hire more people if you can't implement your launch features 8 months after you were supposed to have them
>>747497449
>>747529016it can do that know thoughbeit read the latest steamvr patch notes
>>747529016that unboxing is from 3 weeks ago, a few days later there was a big steamvr update to fix some linux vr issues so it works now
>>747489121>$18,000.00 MSRPwow...
VR is happening in a reality where american companies seek out investment opportunities where theres no profit to be made.Meta lost many billions it. Valve lost maybe hundreds of millions. Then theres some military contractors that sell 60k units and its working out fine.
>>747522975>give me a VR headset without good wireless capabilities>no wireless capabilities?>and let's not add any of Apple or Meta's innovations to give users an alternative>no competition?>hey Gabe, give me a shitty HTC Vive
>>747530907There's profit to be made, just not the ridiculous exponential growth everyone wants now as a consequence of social decay and governments entering the early stages of hyperinflation. Manufacturers used to make tons of weird hardware for extremely limited users just because people used to like doing what they do instead of everything being a profit engine.The whole system needs a reset.
HAHAHAHAHA YOU GUYS ARE ALL SO FUCKING STUPID I TOLD YOU VALVE WAS GOING TO GOUGE YOU DRONES
>>747489121>linus racemix tips
>>747489252DOA
>>747532741why are you saying that when there's no price yet
>>747532761>2020Uhhh obsessed much?
>>747532761he has an asian wife, it'd be nonsensical if he was against racemixing
NO ONE BUT FAGGOT KIDS CARE WHAT A SLOPTUBER KID ENTERTAINER DOES
>>747533021>93 years ago.Uhhh obsessed much?
>>747532761south america alone is proof that everyone being mixed wont stop racism
>>747489252You WILL buy it.
I own the Index, Quest 3, and PSVR2, wish there'd be a headset that combines all of their positives>audio and microphone of Index, along with its controllers>crispness of Quest 3's pancake lenses, and overall headset size/weight >comfort of PSVR2, OLED or AMOLED panel, eye-tracking, and headset rumble
>>747533875Isnt it weird valve didnt go for oledyoud think micro oled displays are the hip new thing now
>>747534024Obviously they're gonna do a refresh model with oled to get the whales to double dip.
>>747534112I dont think they will, maybe a third party will because apparently, its pretty modular and you can already swap things like the camera. theyre probably not going to do a refresh because they probably already know theyre not going to sell a shitton of these to justify spending money on it.
>>747534024micro oleds aren't ready>too small (low fov)>refresh rate is meh>300 bucks per displaythat's why you see a shift to MR goggles, the oled displays can't really do VR yet
>>747491553You must have watched a different video because the 12:42 timestamp on the google docs video is indeed him talking about the speakers. 13:40 is him talking about the fan ramping up.
>>747534306>the google docs videoThis was edited before reupload, the original video was originally public, then unlisted (edited), then finally removed/privated. Unfortunately the google drive only backed up the unlisted version with information taken out. What a shame.
>>747534427This just proves we can’t trust LTT, they hiding tech and they follow corrupt politicians who demand likeliness of product.
>"This headset is for streaming first and foremost">"But we are also shoving enough pc power to increase the price enough to hurt"
>>747499057>newfag outs himself >nobody calls him out on itI fucking hate you motherfucking cancer faggots so much.
>>747534851tracking and decoding takes a good amount of ressourcesthey could've made it less powerful but then they'd have to go with a custom design that would be more expensive, better to have the headroom and fit some light standalone stuffthis is literally just a normal phone chip in there, before the rampocalypse this was a complete non-issue
>>747495810H3 ref2v can do a way better brad than that
>>747496504Nintendo is going to make a virtual boy 2, everything nintendo is about converges into a standalone VR headset. I think the only thing holding them back is no cheap varifocal so they don't fuck up kids eyes, but zuck isn't in trouble yet
>>747500318who gives a FUCK about new games
>>747490929Sometimes I wonder how much conversation here is with people who don't what the words they're using mean. This is a case where it's obviously wrong, but I can imagine many situations where they don't know what their words mean, and it just leads to confusion.
>>747503791>no mention of an $1800 price tag ANYWHERE in the video>retards keep regurgitating it>Who the fuck goes into a thread just to tell lies?No fuck you. 4chan went from one of the harder websites to troll on to being just like any other site because you are all retarded and deserve it. Just pay the fuck attention and use pattern recognition.
still lying to myself that it will be around €1kI am a cheap person as it is but was willing to spend a bit for it, but anywhere near €1500 sounds ridiculous
>>747507702>>747507906Isn't this fixable where you can just reverse the aberration with a filter?I bet this is standard industry practice and valve is just slow as fuck 10 employees please understand
>>747512464Get a PSV2, but its not wireless and its heavy
>>747514667>WAH WAH WAH WAHGod shut the fuck up, how do you talk like that?It's 10% of 2160p over wifi 6/7. You can fix latency with pyrowave whenever valve hurries the fuck up and puts it out. You can never fix the wire being a wire.
>>747520469Wigig is a gigantic hot antenna on your head because your skull blocks the waves. Shut the fuck up. You are a whiny contrarian bitch and you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>747537502>>747514059Is it really that good? I don't trust SonyAssuming I can just jailbreak it and use it for PCVR somehow?
>>747526727AVP is overengineered with a ton of wasteful bullshit thrown in and the apple tax. It's high price isn't indicative of what you need to match a spec at all. I think the passthrough addon is higher res and frame rate, we will see which has the better sensor.
I don't know why you keep arguing, this shit will be a vrchat machine for stinky furries on day 1 and nothing else
>>747520998>there is also a wigig successor standard with 20x higher bandwidth now, i think some of the Pimax headsets are planned to use themOf course pimax sees huge heavy tech and adopts it immediately
>>747538108emphasis on plannedremember when pimax was aiming to have full body tracking using just the headset cameras?pimax just talks bullshit non stop
>>747521610>Alyx was amazing, most fun i've had with a game in 20 years.Alyx taught me amazement and fun are different. I'd never replay it.
>>747535030The joke ->Your head
>>747522802>>747522975cry more
>>747522975It’s just a dumb headset with screen, why even put ram on it. Stupid “engineers” and they can’t wirelessly make VR.
>>747524741With directional antennas it can go very farYou can mesh the wifi, the dongle can be used with a router at the same timeYou can run active ethernet/usb to the room you play in and dongle from thereThis is way more practical than a monster displayport cord that's pretty expensive and can break, and can only play in one room where the PC is, and is only enjoyable with a pulley on the ceilingWiredfags that aren't sit down simmers just need to be put in a mass grave already. I'm tired of wireposts shitting up threads. It's almost as tiring as any "why did VR fail" talking point from a third worlder. It's a terrible idea for a general market headset.
>>747525509This is so stupid when there are free FOV testing apps that can provide the difference for your face and eyes with perfect accuracy
>>747529016I'm also amazed not just by the delay, but just the idea they were going to finish everything from november to april at the latest. And this is a company that's pessimistic about timelines.
>>747533875Well in theory the frame could get a rumble headstrap
>>747534851>>747535257it also has to do eyetracking, and one day maybe hand tracking, also low latency reprojection on the headsetBasically a SOC does a shitload of different things and I'm tired of explaining it
>>747537853Well research before you buy, but its at firesale prices and you can get it used. Sony officially made it a PCVR headset, and community people got more features working. I heard of one guy on reddit saying he got real no bullshit HDR working, that's big if true
The Frame likely will boost sales of the Quest 3 given it is half the price. Latest rumors are $1150.
>>747539212I guess for that price it's worth a try
>>747537853The PSVR2 has a lower quality oled screen and Quest 2 style optics. Only bright side is last month people got eye tracking working for pcvr. Beyond that the Quest 3/Frame is superior even though they both use LCD, because of superior optics.
>>747539336just FYI its fresnel not pancake
>>747539403>>747539502Damn it, everytime I want to upgrade from my Quest 2 it becomes a whole hassle of balancing pros and consI just use it for JAV honestly, this is too much mental work
>>747539793Wait anon! I can solve this right now. For VR video, especially JAV where subjects get close to the camera. You want pancake and high binocular overlap for good overlap and clarity when you cross your eyes to look at titties.The best choices are the frame and pico 4 enterprise for big pancake lenses. Quest 3 doesn't have good overlap, but I'm wondering if you could push the lenses close together then set your correct IPD in software rather than going by the lens separation. Pancake has bigger sweetspots so your physical IPD and virtual IPD don't have to match.
>haven't touched my Quest 3 in like a quarter of a year cause I was waiting for the Steam FrameGabe is a fat nigger. I don't give a shit about the price, I'm not brown but that shit better be good.
>>747540052Guess I'll wait for the frame, but it'll probably be all sold out
>>747540232Yeah I got worried when we stopped seeing frame shipments to valve. I think they vastly underestimated demand or couldn't secure parts. I saw comment sections for valve hardware that wasn't VR-centric at all and sometimes it got talked about more than the machine.
>>747491094you will own nothing
>$1800 is only after a $500 rebate if you create a gaussian splat of your room with your dick out and they share it with third partiesOk but its going to be in black and white..whats the point gabe
>Video has long since been taken down and everyone is just shitposting about the priceWhat the fuck is even the point of this thread?
>>747541603Video has long since been reuploaded and downloaded
>>747514018That's only from your perception. Asians see hapas as white and whites see hapas as asian.
>>747541603some of us have money and are excited for new vr hardware
>>747541691Got a new link?
>>747544509https://archive.org/details/our-first-30-mins-with-the-steam-frame-u-8-r-bnz-1-mpualthough seemingly this version of the video is missing some parts compared to the initial leak? confusing situation
>>747492438Lamo Australians, get rekted ya pussies
>>747513006Anon we are almost 40. Time is going too fast
>>747504395>But that's retarded.It really isn't. Simula One is going to be doing this, so you have a wired headset that also has compute unit for wireless. Integrating everything into one package is shit for upgrading parts, shit for comfort, shit for heat dissipation, shit for PCVR image quality, etc.>People are going to be retards and stick the compute in their pocketsPeople were retards and stuck their computers into dusty closets, potential user error should not compromise design.
>>747546010yes because the steam frame is R18+
>>747546010>The US government decided to attack the biggest oilfield on earth>Complains about gas pricesYou Americans need to stop being cowards
>>747539793>>747540052is it possible to get jav vr videos with subtitles? I bought "OVR translator" yesterday but its slow, glitchy and innacurate
>>747537853PSVR2 is very blurry
>>747505235never skip chest dayalso at this age looking like this when clearly the parents dont have genetics for it... he is roiding to the max.
>>747548842nvm bros just downloaded python and using AI to translatethe future is fucking here
>>747534247How come Vision Pro did it then
>>747490221Everyone seems to want Half-Life 3, but I want Left 4 Dead 3. With today's technology it could be so awesome and it just feels so overdue.
>>747544604What makes you think that, I downloaded the original video with yt-dlp and it's the same length
>>747546808>bringing up oil prices in the middle of a video game thread
>>747552348i feel i read something either here on the leddit that implied two different versions of the leak however i cannot find it so i may be mistakenless than 48 hours until reveal so doesn't really matter
I'm shocked LTT hasn't been sued to fuck and back yet, they leaked the steam machine video too.
>>747553971It's cute you think this wasn't stealth hype generation.
>>747505235You can really tell he's his son though because they both have the same faggy mouth
