https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxCN_AKYtts
>>747499016NOBODY WANTS THIS
>>747499016D5 bad
>>747499016I was joking when I said Diablo 5
mogged by POE2 so hard they had to ragequit
>>747499016Why the fuck would people want to buy mtx or addons in IV or V when the next one is around the corner again?
>>747499147i say this
>>747499016but why not just keep developing for D4
uhh Act 6?
breaking news : game comes out 3 fucking years from now (before delays)
The audience cheered x100 more for the Starcraft reveal
>D4 died with some shitty DLC
a teaser for a game 3 years out benefits nobody
>>747499147>NOBODY WANTS THISIf it's the soulslike game that they wanted D4 to be but ultimately fell through, then I do actually want it.
Thank fuck I didn't buy D4 when I thought about it a month ago!
>>747499735why won't someone think about the investors!!
>>747499535With expansions they can only get $30-$50. With a brand new game they can charge $70-$200 depending on the preorder pack.
You can tell this is Microsoft telling them to fucking fix diablo
>>747499016What's the point? Will Diablo be a CoD of sorts with a new release every couple of years now?
>>747499016Reminder Blizzard HAD to go guns blazing to save themselves from Microsoft decimation.
>>747499016They're copying grim dawn lmaooooo
>>747499535spooked by the expansion data
How the fuck an actual PC Diablo is getting received almost as well as Diablo Immortal
>>747499479anybody dumb enough to buy 4 is dumb enough to buy all the slop leading up to and including 5
>have D2R for grognards>have D4 for casualsAnd now D5 is going to have yet another identity crisis about who it is going to appeal to
>>747499016remember when Blizzard took their time with sequels because they put thought into everything from art direction to mechanics, because they were rethinking genres. And when they even canceled games that weren't up to snuff?
>D4 was released 3 years agoDamn, they're moved on fast. took them 11 years from D3 to D4
>>747499991>Will Diablo be a CoD of sorts with a new release every couple of years now?now you're thinking like an executive, bro
Superweird to tell customers and potential future customers that this game you got out rn with tons of microtransactions and expansions etc just...will implode in three years.Wouldn't you want to milk that and announce this way closer to release? WoofAnyway, it's NuBlizz, so it's gonna be shit anyway.
>>747500297Blizzard now has a concrete reputation as chronic fuckups.
>>747500591that was back when blizzard actually had blizzard employeesnow they have nothing but actijews and microjeets left
>>747500591They "took their time" with sequels because production was a fucking messBoth D3 and D4 had entire teams replaced during production
>>747500591Unc, that was like 20 years ago. Move on bro
>>747499535Because the game is inherently shit? Better to start from scratch
>>747499535I mean they probably are? Thats still 3 fucking years away (and probably going to be more)
>>747500746Expansions are bought by fewer people than a BRAND NEW INSTALLMENT in an established series. That's just how it goes.
What do you guys want from a D5? Return to D2 style of gameplay?
>>747499535Expansions are probably a bad business model for anything that's not WoW because you need to convince a new player to buy both the base game and the expac. Psychologically that's a harder sell than just buying a new game.
>>747500962It doesnt have to be D2. But it has to be as good as D2
>>747499016didn't diablo 4 just come out? was it that bad?
>>747499016In other words they admit D4 failed spectacularly.
So Lilith was right all along?
>>747501074yes
>>747501074it was a fucking mess
>>747499016I'm excited for more open-world slop and recolored helltides.
>>747501074>>747501113>a game makes a billion dollars and then gets replaced in 6 years>FLOP! LE FLOP! LE FLOOOOP IM FLOOOOOOPING!!!why is /v/ like this
>>747499016>this time you have 2 stats>damage and health>everything is cooldown-based>no resource management>just NUMBER GO UP
>>747499535Microsoft needs money
>>747501365always good to have activision-blizzard investors swoop in and set the record straight
>>747501365it made a ton of money at launch because it's called diablo but the game was so ass there wasnt enough player retention to make money with mtxso now they repeat it
>>7475010743 years ago.
>>747501534>it made a ton of money at launch because it's called diablo but the game was so ass there wasnt enough player retention to make money with mtxsource?
>>747501517how does pointing out that a game that isn't coming out for 3 fucking years (assuming theres no delays) make someone an blizzard investor again
>>74750136512 years between Diablo 2 and Diablo 311 years between Diablo 3 and Diablo 4
DiaVlo
>>747501319>>747501243I'm sad they still haven't made another kino dungeon crawler like Diablo 1. It's all just "zoom past killing a million weak enemies" ever since D2
>>747501725Next game takes place in fake italy.
>>747501674total revenue has absolutely nothing to do with the success of a game from a player perspective
>>747501634>>7475016343 years ago is pretty recent, especially these days when sequels take 8 fucking years to make
>>747501648the fact that they're making diablo 5 before they even released content where you actually fight DIABLO in a DIABLO game
>>747499821It’s on sale for 13 dollars, that’s less than a burrito.
>>747499016Didn't diablo 4 just come out? The fuck?
>>747499016What can they possibly provide for it to not feel like diablo 4.5
>>747502265by making it an over the shoulder Souslike, which was the orignal plan for D4
i can't believe poe1 and poe2 won
>>747502461But as an arpg? So like gothic horror devil may cry?
>>747499479>around the corner>2029
>>747500746It isnt as bad as you make it seem. Right now you can get the base game on sale for 13 dollars, all expansions for another 30. You don’t have to buy the 3 month seasonal battle passes for reliquey cosmetics and get one free one anyway, it’s cosmetics and pets.So you can get the complete D4 game for 43 dollars. All classes all expansions.
>>747499479well OBVIOUSLY they'll make mtx carry over to 5!
>>747503478lollmaonot on your life, they will sell you the most popular again, branded as "classic"
The father of ARPG, and the whole series, is not even that good.
So they're abandoning Diablo 4?You don't even fight Diablo in Diablo 4 and it took them like 2 expansions just to fight Mephisto.
>>747503841>1atmosphere masterclass>2genre-defining and stands up to this day>3superb casual experience>4cashgrab>5cashgrab
>>747502713i hate path of exile, i hate grinding gear games, and i hate this smelly mexican. that is all
>>747504086idk maybe they're all like "muh dark ending" and 5 continues the story. Diablo won, you must retake the world
>why would I keep buying Diablo 4 content now that I know 5 is outto play a game and have fun? Do you retards not play games to have fun?
>>747502713What is his name?
>>747502713This bitch does it better.https://x.com/MinervaEva33626/status/2098349304998227985https://x.com/sonyalarayyy
>>747499016This can't be real, I keep checking the channel to see if it's some parody.
>>747499147ou will fight AI generated hordes of monsters in ai generated maps and talk with deckard chatbot and you will LOVE IT
>>747504328They are all about consuming the latest unfinished content just to stay updated. While patient people will see D4 as content complete and start playing it now.
Will D4 ever retroactively get the "it's not that bad" treatment like D3 did?
>>747504651with that amazon reveal? I don't think so
>>747504651never.
>>747504651D3 was never a bad game. It was streamlined and more casual, but it was a good streamlined and casual game
>>747504651its so disappointing bc I really liked the art style of four. I just hated everything else that i heard.
>>747504148>smelly mexicanI dunno. Even bad tacos still smell decent.
>>747504328>Diablo 4>fun
>>747504753RMAH made it garbage inherently
Pathetic, Llamagod was hinting at a Druid and Assassin upgrade for D2R
>>747504651>like D3 did?Did it?
>>747504753the endgame is still way more fun and engaging than D4s. They fucked it so hard lol>>747504883the expansion removed that, rebalanced everything and added a lot of good shit, it's goated since. keep up bro, you missed the last 13 years apparently
>>74750479710 years from now it will be hailed as a classic.
>>747501725DIAVOLO!
>>747500986Lmao it's fucking this.They can't get anyone to buy 4 to justify an expac so they're just gonna try again with 5.And YJK it will be shit.
>>747500297I'll put my faith back into Blizz when they livestream a total devteam beheading. I'm talking random lotto every 3 months and an entire dev team gets their heads lopped off.
>>747499016I never understood games like this, so you just replay randomly generated dungeons over and over again?
I'm ready.For the battle.Of the pass.
>>747501074D4 is the best ARPG on the market and arguably of all time, second only to D2 (remastered)
>no D2R announcementsdisappoint
>>747499016Wasn't D4 just a few years ago? Is blizzard desperate or something?
>>747499016that's not d2r act 6llamaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa you liar
>>747504110and what of good diablo immortal
>>747499016KEK with POE2 out nobody will buy this shit
>>747510196Only giga autists play PoE
>>747510196PoE2 was just more parry/roll sloppa
>>747499735>a teaser for a game 3 years out benefits nobodyIt benefits them because it gets the shareholders to pump more money in for 3 more years. While they desperately need right now with a host of failing games.
>>747499016Surely this time the game will be slower and more like D1 and D2! And then people will complain and it will go back to it being D3 like
>>747499016>>747499147LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>747512351>Surely this time the game will be slower and more like D1 and D2! And then people will complain and it will go back to it being D3 likeI can't tell if you are joking but this literally what happened with D4.
>>747499016?????We just got Diablo 4? Why not do a remake of Diablo 1? Fuck off Blizzard FIX DIABLO 4 ALREADY
>>747512708Don't you think you're asking for a bit too much?
I just bought Diablo® IV
>>747513169what about all the dlc?
>>747512351>>747512570>D4 comes out>Despite all its flaws, has very strong and fun core gameplay>PoE 1 transplant niggers cry and poop their pants over "BUILDER SPENDER BUILDER SPENDER" like it's a magic spell to prove the game is bad for some reason>Blizzard capitulates>D4 gameplay becomes and still is a fucking button masher where you roll your hand on your keyboard while standing still as you CC and whittle down mobs of varying tankiness>D4 successfully ruined>PoE 2 releases>despite all its flaws, has extremely strong and fun core gameplay>PoE 1 transplant niggers cry and poop their pants over "BUILDER SPENDER MMO ROTATIONS" like it's a magic spell to prove the game is bad for some reason>GGG capitulates>PoE 2 gameplay has become dumber and faster and more boring patch-on-patch>D5 announcedi wonder what will happen this time
>>747502713mogged
>>747513563It was too expensive.
>>747499016>written by hamburger helperkek
Guess who is writing the story.
>>747514003>>747514037ohnononono
>>747502713is this really a tranny?
>>747499016>D4 will end with Diablo winning>queue D5wow they really copied Grim Dawn with their "the apocalypse happened lmao", oof
>>747514037no fucking waytime is a circle
>>747514003>>747514037AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAfuckspamfilterHAHAHAHAAHAHAH>>747514224You thought these tards just left? No they fall upwards/sideways.You have to kill them.
>>747514003Holy shit how grim
>>747514037That's a nurgling
>>747514003The writing wasn't even the worst part of DA2
>>747501074>was it that bad?Yes. I played the closed technical engame alpha of D4 a year before launch and bugs existed (resistances literally did not work) in that version of the game persisted until AFTER LAUNCH. I don't think that even got fixed until Season 2. They've "reworked" loot from the ground up in that game 3 times over now and it's still awful. It still has the exact same core gameplay loop and you still run the same content, right now, that you did in that very same closed alpha. They've added zero meaningful content to the game, just cutscenes and dialogue and some items. It was advertised forever as a return to grimdark, a return to a slower, heavier Diablo. Well it wasn't. It's just Diablo 3 with HD graphics sans the WoW aesthetic. It genuinely can't be overstated how absolutely terrible D4 was and is. The only people who play it at Blizzard fanboys
I liked d3 more than d4
Which Chris Wilson will make it to the end of the race?
>>747514806BROOOO BUT THAT COOL ASS BASED EVIL DEMON PUFFIN ON HIS ZAKARUM VAPE PEN
>>747514037>>747514003no... nonononononon NO DIABLO BROS NOT LIKE THIS
>>747501634so same time as between diablo and diablo 2I bet we can expect the same leap in fidelity (lol)
>>747513860No, you're making me want to go to Brazil.
>>747499016>diablo 4>no diablo
>>747499016I even forgot diablo IV was out already. What a waste
>>747514003>>747514037I KNEW THIS BITCH LOOKED FAMILIAR!!!!
I liked d3, but I'm a casual that played at launch for a like month. Got the expansion and played it for a bit. D4 was free on gamepass and I couldn't get into it. What are they changing for this one?
>>747499016why is there 1,000 of the angel guy from diablo 2
>>747516036because that guy was just a random angel, there is like billions of them in the high heavens
>>747499535>>747499016I'll tell you exactly why>Blizzard considers Diablo 3 a "Brand damaging failure" that was only partially salvaged by Reaper of Souls and the reworked game - despite having over 1 million monthly active players on a 13 year old game, they aren't happy with what it did to the franchise>Diablo 4 was SOMEHOW, once again the same shit, and despite selling absolute gangbusters (Fastest selling blizzard game of all time, over 1billion dorrar in lifetime revenue) they probably still arent entirely comfortable with it due to it's polarising reception and reputation, it leaned too hard into "Live service ARPG" and "mmo-lite" features and stepped away from what fans likedSo lets say you're blizzard, you're looking at the Diablo franchise and thinking "yeah its doing WELL, but its got enough negative baggage that it's not doing nearly as well as it should be, so what should we do?"Then they released D2R + A new expansion for it later, and they are absolutely blown away by how successful it was. At one point a dev said D2R had more players than D3. Which is insane considering how old D2 is.So they're thinking their choices are>Do we release more expansions for D4 with its pre-existing baggageOr>Do we get a massive hype train rolling and make a brand new title built off of what we learned players wanted from D2RThe latter makes a LOT more money, and is their attempt to rebuild the brand's image.
>>747515997>What are they changing for this one?Sounds like literally everything because D4 got shit on by everyone so badly no matter what they did
>>747499991Diablo 4 released 3 years ago anonBy the time V releases it will have been 6 years between 4 and V
dont make a live service game if you are just going to drop it in 3 years
>>747500746Literally millions of players are still playing 2 and 3, despite 4 being actively supported. And weirdly 2 is also getting a surprising amount of support. 4 is likely going to end up the same. Blizz wants a multi-game eco-system because it 1. Makes more money than dumping everything every couple years and is less risky and 2. Lets them tell microsoft they need more money and staff to keep all the plates spinning, so they're simultaneously more powerful and more independent.
>>747499016>somehow diablo has returned
>>747516421I mean. It came out 3 years ago and still has 3 years. Yeah it's still shit, but it's 6 total
>>747516486But Diablo wasn't even in 4. The final expansion/content update of 4 is probably gonna show the world going to absolute shit to setup for V
>>747516493announcing a sequel pretty much means they are done development on d4. 3 more years of minimal seasonal content is hardly exciting
>>747516303so why not announce in Year5?they had nothing other than "there's a camp" and "this is a dark story where society fell"
>>747516602>But Diablo wasn't even in 4who honestly gives a shit? he is a random boss in d2, and basically a joke character in d3
>>747516036Angels all look like that. Was gone over pretty thoroughly in Diablo 3.
>>747516672Because they had no big Diablo announcement this year and it's too early to announce another D4 expansion.
>>747499016>Somehow, Diablo returnedim tired boss
>>747517040Was he killed in 4 again? Didn't really follow anything past the base game.
>>747517350he is still being reborn after the events of d3. d4 is all about mephisto
>>747499016>physically dragging an ethereal being>to crucify it> a whole field of them in factlmao into the trash, this company is retarded for life
>>747499016there was a diablo 4? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>747517835they arent ethereal tho...
>>747515050Heya Chris you seem, uh different?
>>747517941they sure are, D3/4 weren't canon
So is Diablo II Resurrected worth it on a sale, even without the unexpected expansion?
>>747518598oh wait lol they just embroil the expansion in there and raised the price up by default
>>747499016POE2 already ate up 90% of the market share so I don't see a point to D5, the ip is dead.
>>747518179Izual.
>>747518598No.
>>747518598never give money to nublizz
>>747519845his ethereal form shows up when you kill him, he's bound to Hell idk
love dogshit orkney game of thrones voice acting in all my fantasy game trailers so fricking cool!
All you niggers forgetting 2029 could just be the year they start their marketing rollout for d5 to release in 2031 or 33 evenImagine if zenimax rapes them with tes6
>>747520996Stop being logical anon, you sound like you understand product life cycle or something.
>>747500591Long term, Worlo ruined them.
LILITH WAS RIGHTAPOLOGIZE RIGHT NOW
>>747499147I would want it except D4 was undercooked and then kiked to oblivion just like D3
>>747520996>Blizzard officially announced Diablo 5 at BlizzCon 2026 on September 12, 2026, targeting a Spring 2029 release datebesides, you don't fucking announce that you going to start marketing something at the same time you reveal what that something is. You've already started marketing it at that point. That's almost as dumb as announcing a sequel to a life service game 3 years in advance.
>>747500297>>747500772>>747508115https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bSZIg2AGLU
>>747521842It's marketing now yeah but to think video game companies ever hit their initial release date is laughable. I give it 2030 at the earliest.
Cool, I'll keep playing Grim Dawn and ignore this altogether.
d5 bad
>>747520740game implies you free him from his demonic form and he leaves.. but to where? Imagine the awkward conversation if he goes back to heaven.>so, uh, I betrayed heaven.. and I'm back. Hope everyone isn't mad because I'm here to stay.
>>747499016This can only mean that the numbers for D4 are so fucking depressing and they're so concerned about PoE2 making diablo obsolete that they feel they absolutely have to update the mechanics to compete, which they can't really do in diablo 4 because they have to basically redesign the game from the ground up if they added attacking while moving.With world of warcraft also in the state that it is, I wouldn't be surprised if diablo 5 doesn't turn out to play more like that than anything. Both can still exist even, world of warcraft can continue being the safe space casual themepark and diablo is the grimdark and edgy version.
There was a Diablo 4?
>>747522660yeh sure kid
>>747516215It’s pretty interesting how difficult it is for them to wrap their heads around what makes D2 so timeless. Though admittedly, I’m not really sure if I understand it myself. Idk if It’s the actual game that people love or if it’s the familiarity/addictiveness of it. Though I guess those can arguably be said to be the same thing.
>>747499016>live service games KEK. Sure buddy, that´s what people want.
>>747516215makes sense
>>747518598Honestly? Yeah. But the modded versions of the game (PD2 and PoD) are a better games and free. They just don’t have the graphical overhaul, the new character class, and the OG limitations.
>>747522803I'm just trying to find some logic in this illogical world
>diablo possesses a girl on Diablo 3 and turns into a tranny>we kill himWhat happens on Trannyablo 4?
>>747499016>diablo backWill Imperius job again
Diablo 4 was so bad they just skipped to V
>>747523935Everybody jobs so you can waltz up and punch his dick off. That's just how these things work.
>>747499016When you consider how far a long a game has to be to get announced, that means that they were already developing diablo 5 very shortly after 4 released, while they were still talking about how much post launch support it would be getting. Now that might be normal enough for some limited pre-production stuff, but certainly not enough to get the game to state that they could announce it this early. They have been seriously working on it for a while. Diablo 4 launched with WASD movement, and immediately developers and later players began realizing how much better the game plays with it and how much better it would be to actually be able to attack while moving, but D4 was too late into development to fully implement it. 5 months later, and GGG showcased they had been working on that exact thing for path of exile 2. Blizzard probably knew about it even before that. They've been planning D4's funeral since launch, the only reason it even got expansions at all is because it sold well.
Man everything about the panel made it look like they were pleading the audience that this time it's going to be like D2 pinky swear
>>747527478Too bad for them that they showed an item with +35% crit damage.
Have we even gotten a single Primeval boss yet in D4? Last I remember we fought Mephisto's pet dog.
>>747528346This shield is making me angry already.>tier 5>+47 strength on an item that has like 140 base strength requirement >but also ass random intelligence requirement on an item that isn't even magic related like a tome >thorns are never an exciting stat, and those are also shadow, implying an existence of different thorns>shadow damage chance to corrupt, whatever that means, again with the ultra specific conditional "damage on Tuesday" affixes from D4>6 affixes AND 3 socketsNot final, random affixes on a rare, but still it already looks like no thought went into it again.
>>747528418Meph himself is the final boss of the latest expac
>>747499479This is still years offBut you did essentially answer exactly how live service games are bad for the long term health of the game industryYou either hope your fandom is cattle which will rebuy everything with each new game (which blizzard does have)Or you try to make an evergreen game that lives forever which is not impossible but very hard
>>747499535They don't release numbers frequently but I imagine d4's audience bought the game but didnt get expansions and mtx, the retention was too low to justify making it last as long as d3
>>747528346NTA and not a diablo guy why is that bad?
>>747499016it just looks like a new D4 season
>>747531593Ah, I see, I haven't played the latest one yet.
Does d4 have any mechanically difficult or interesting combat? I played the preview and it seemed really dull. I want NRFTW to come out already
>>747532108Crit damage stacking is one of the main tells of D3/D4 design philosophy, so it's ironic seeing it on supposedly D2 inspired items.
>>747532525D4;s idea of mechanical complexity is throwing so many ground effects on the screen that you have no idea what's killing you.
>>747514037and just like that my interest in diablo is gone.
>>747529591Runes aside those items look just like D4 items>main stat bonus>weapon DPS/gear armor>increased weapon damage+X% crit damageThey still don't get itThe inventory window looks like something out of Last Epoch too, looks real cheapThis shit is gonna release like D4 did, a half-assed attempt at doing D2 that will convert into D3 over time
>>747532108It's identical to the design of D3 and D4, so anyone expecting D5 to be any kind of return to form of D1 or D2 is going to be disappointed. Obviously the game is in preproduction so a lot can change, but my point is that it's the same group that made D4, nothing is going to be materially different except maybe the story, but this story will be shit too and who plays these games for the story anyway?
>>747533909i don't understand why blizzard is so obsessed with diablo 3 every game since has been rehashing this game over and over trying to force it down peoples throats until they finally support it, they just OUTRIGHT REFUSE to make the game everyone wants, the true sequel to diablo 2 no one gives a fuck about diablo if its not going to be d2 again.
DIVBLO
>>747534118They started D4 on the right track but quickly caved and made it Diablo 3.5 after a few seasons. I wish they would just use Immortal for the people who want D3 and keep the mainline title closer to D1 and 2 and how 4 was at launch.
>>747534118Simply because their actual playerbase loves Diablo 3. It has a lot of gamerdads who think they should max everything and have an OP character after 30 hours of gameplay at most.Everyone else is either at PoE or D2R. A lot of the further D3-fication of D4 was asked by the community. Current day Blizzard players don't want D2 anymore.
>>747534353the icons for the items and its color coding looks like shit, the items themselves are garbage with stupid modifiers that shield is fucking stupid, the bright colors, the shitty itemization, you're right its just going to be diablo 3 all over and i just don't get it.
>>747534353You can't escape the endgame nagging that people do. At the end of the day, 1% of your playerbase is going to complain about the lack of screen clear runs and legendary loot eye sore.
>>747529591The spear doesn't even show damage range, only DPS.Why only agility requirement?
Release Diablo 3 on Steam and allow modding
>>747534489And it would be one thing if D4 was distinct, but they've turned it into D3.5 with fucking 2p torment levels and one shotting entire screens of mobs. I truly don't understand.
>>747529591I assume the red items are legendary/unique and will have huge multipliers that will quickly make the power curve spiral out of control
I have no idea how to feel about this. I did not enjoy the writing in Lord of Hatred or how the expansion progressed.
>>747501365you have to compare a game to what its expectations are and what it needs to do. d4 had to reverse blizzards bad image. it did not
>>747535043then make d2 or d1 again its simple but they hate blizzard and don't earnestly want the studio to succeed its a controlled demolition their is simply no other explanation for how blizzard handles its ips.
>>747532667>>747534076Thanks anons>storyI recall diablo 3, where the writers think that hell's greatest tactician should facetime you every six minutes to list his dastardly plans and exactly how to defeat them.
>>747535043It was a problem they made when they said they would support it for years and likely build out the entire world of Sanctuary. The niggers didn't even out Diablo in it.
>>747514037I'm the fag who spams "D4 mogs D2" with the Uriver smoking a cigar screenshot in every Diablo thread, and even I can't defend this. My hype for Diablo 5 just plummeted
>>747499403
>>747535169Yeah, that was weird. Thankfully they stopped doing that. Diablo 4's story was fine, at least in the base game. The first expansion hardly had one and the second was a bad rehash of 2.
>>747499016wtf Diablo 4 came out like 5 minutes ago
>>747535169Azmodan taunting you was kino. I swear every criticism of Diablo 3 is the same, like you're a hivemind who all watched a negative Diablo 3 video and you just regurgitate it like NPCs.
>>747514037I compare this to being like seeing a Nazi war criminal 25 years after WW2 just fucking lurking around and still working. Had to do a fucking triple take.
crazy how blizzard hasnt made anything good in the last like 20 years and retards still get excited by their new games
>>747535460It definitely wasn't kino, it was actually cringe
>>747535142Well one of the issues, particularly with the diablo series and arpgs in general, is i think people stupidly took the wrong message from d2s success and have yet to realize their error. A lot of the stuff common in modern arpgs was taken from d2, and i think those were not the things that made d2 popular. And in fact a lot of that stuff actually sucks to play and makes games worse. Its so hard coded as part of the genre now though they will keep producing games that are less than they have the potential to be, all the while trying to experiment with new gimmicks that make things even worse.
>>747535460He literally never tries to mislead you though. In literature in general the devil doesn't need to lie to entice you, he does tell the truth but he butters people up and basically gaslights them into making horrible mistakes - that's supposed to be evil.Calling people on the phone to tell them how to defeat you, while losing? That's dumb, that's streaming a crime spree on social media level stupid.
>>747514003>>747514037I wonder if gamers are going to "harass" her out of her job again
Reminder that Amazon being announced as NOT part of an expansion means the game is EOS'd. No more expansions.
>>747514037Who is this person
>>747535513It's really wild. Like when does it end? How can a company succeed off good will from 30 years ago?
>>747535565Not possible, the amazon plane crashed remember.
>>747535557Anon what made D2 popular is that you were younger and there weren't many games out there like it. Nobody wants to do 1000 Trav runs for high runes anymorePath of Exile is the most popular ARPG now and in its current form it barely resembles D2
It will have level scaling and therefore will also be shit
>>747535553If you're a joyless faggot, sure.>>747535561He's a retarded demon. This is the same series where Baal lays seige to Harragoth instead of sneaking in. Dunno why Diablo 3 gets shit but Diablo 2 doesn't.
>>747499016Clearly this is a overwatch 2 situation, where they are releasing the same game but with a different monetization
>D4 was just 3 years ago>I was expecting for it to be supported for at least 5 yearsWhat the flying fuck?
>>747535725>level scalingYoutuber-brained comment
Diablo is cool in theory, but the endless grind sounds exhausting. No thank you.
>Sir, another Diablo game has end of serviced.
>>747535746I mean, if it is so, then they'd better clarify it fast, because nobody's gonna buy D4 cosmetics anymore without a reassurance they'll carry over to D5.
>>747535798You can just play the campaigns, the story and lore is great, especially 3s.
>>747535721>Nobody wants to do 1000 Trav runs for high runes anymore>except for all the people who play D2 every season 25 years later and do exactly that?
>>747535729>why did the lord of destruction want to DESTROY Harrogath, but the lord of lies tells you straight of what he was planning to do over Skype, huh!?
>>747499016Oh, right. Diablo 4 was so unexciting I forgot it even happened.Is it worth playing?
>>747499016It started as a D4 expansion but Asha forced them to change it
>>747535901And how many of these do you think there are, anon
>>747535945No, it's dogshit. Literally play any other ARPG.
>>747535908He didn't want or need to destroy Harrogath. He wanted to corrupt the World Stone. He failed because he chimped out like a retard>>747536040Lord Of Hatred is a definite conclusive end to Diablo 4 though. What would another expansion be about?
>>747535721if you compare d2 to d1 it is clear that d2 made some errors and modern arpgs, including poe, are repeating some of those errors.
Wasn't Diablo 4's original plan three expansions (each to fight one Primeval), and then it was extended to even more expansions, and then in the end they stopped at two?
>>747535782Does the game not have level scaling then? What is your point?
>>747536261They started out wanting an expansion per year or two. It was a game meant to be supported and expanded long term.
>>747536079That's the answer I expected, but not the one I was hoping for.Oh man.
>>747536261Source? The base game was always about Mephisto. The opening scene is literally Mephisto saving you.
>>747536261It was but D4 flopped in Blizzard's view so they changed plans. Same thing happened to D3.
>>747536327Diablo 4 is great, especially Lord Of Hatred. I liked it more than 2.
>>747536274That "level scaling" is meaningless because a monster being your level doesn't tell shit about how powerful you are relative to it in modern diablo games (d3-d4). Which you'd know if you played them rather than getting your opinions from youtubers and streamers
>>747536435Sure you did, Blizzard employee.
>>747509091D4 was so boring and unexciting, I regularly forget it even exists.
>>747516215None of that makes any sense at all. The real reason they are making Diablo 5 this quickly is because Asha is demanding studios double down on successful franchises, and Diablo is Blizzard's most successful franchise other than Warcraft.
>>747536507Post your playtime
>>747536572That's it...? Yeah you're a blizzdrone alright.
>>747536435Lord of Hatred was pretty good and almost fixed itemization. They made the horadric cube too powerful though, transfigures shouldn't have been in the game
>>747536628Post your playtime.
>>747499535because it's level scaling pseudo open world dogshit no one asked for and it belongs in the trash.
D4 is a confusing game for me.>apparently everyone else that plans it gets to max level in 3-4 hours>when I play it, after a few days I'm level 55-60>and eventually the enemies difficulty scale too high for me to kill
>>747536669You are gaped.
>>747536710And you think D5 won't be? Let me guess, you think it will have offline play too, pfffbbbbttttttttttthahahahahaha
>>747536713What difficulty are you at? You really shouldn't be facing any pushback from the game during leveling if you keep updating your weapon
>>747536786Atleast play his game before shitting on it
>>747536786actual mental illness lmao
>>747536795Past level 50 I start having issues. Maybe I'll give the game a try again and see. I'd love to look at builds but all the builds are all for the seasonal mechanics and items, and I have no interest in that when I'm already trying to progress in the base game.
>>747536572>158GBwhat kind of goycattle do you have to be to play unoptimized shit like this
>>747499535POE2 mogged it
>>747536845Your desperate and pathetic shilling campaign was enough for me, thanks.
>>747536048Enough for Blizzard to still cater to them 25 years later. Ladder still has tens of thousands characters above lv80
>>747499016>wasted all of diablo 4 on that flared nose jungle asian neyrelleWhat a fucking shitshow.
>>747501074The entire game is pozzed, muscle troon females, the female paladin was basically a dude, itemization never worked.
>>747537247It was from splitting the expansion into two. Still, what a fucking mess this franchise has become.
>>747536903Always keep your gear at the highest item level you fi d during leveling, esp for weapons. Don't pay much attention to rarity until you hit 70. Swap an orange for a blue if needed. It's kind of dumb but it also makes leveling much faster
sure is weird for how such a "popular" and "successful" game like D4 couldn't find at least one retard to maintain a general thread on /vg/it's almost as if... it was the usual blizzard astroturfed bullshit... but no... that couldn't be...
Great, more slop. Good job blizzard!
>>747537380>Swap an orange for a blue if neededYeah that may be why I'm having trouble with damage then, thanks! Will give it a try once I'm done with some other games.
>>747537397Jannies had it out for d4g and would immediately ban and delete the thread
>>747537593
>>747537593based jannies
>>747509780>Immortal can't legally do proper loot boxes or gacha in some regions because gambling isn't allowed in some countries>because the game's run by a Chinese company, they can't accept that>instead of "gambling", you pay for a special "key" that lets you go to a "dungeon" that's over in like 5 seconds and is piss-easy>boss dies in no time and shits out a huge tidal wave of premium items>boss and dungeon is literally just a shitty cover for opening a loot box or pulling some gacha roll>the law gets fooled 100% because it's "playable" with "gameplay">Immortal moves on without any issues>law never catches onto the scheme
>>747499147>>747499016Wait, is there a Diablo 4? Where?
>>747499791>the soulslike game that they wanted D4 to be It already exists. It's called Path of Exile 2.
>>747537871Kind of clever not gonna lie
You know what, I'm tired of being a doomer.Diablo /V/ will be good.
>>747538476I mean, if they learn from 4's blunders, maybe? No open world is really important, ditch the shitty content you need to repeat when making a new character, the game should focus on dungeon delving, remove backtracking. Raids are fun, maybe have instanced raids.
Diablo IV talk on cinematicshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlw5cXPTe5Q
>>747537593>Jannies had it out for d4g and would immediately ban and delete the threadWhy would a Janitor delete diablo /vg/ threads
>>747514037>>747514003
>>747499403>D4 is printing money>meanwhile PoO2 can barely get 100k CCU, if that
>>747539672Why would a Janitor do it for free
>>747539951>D4 is printing moneywhy did they EOS it then?
I really wanted to enjoy D4 but the seasonal story shit and mandated Immortal lore knowledge completely fucking raped the game for meWhy can’t I just experience narrative content in the game itselfWhy do I have to engage with time-limited FOMO shit and gacha games to understand an IP that generally has had cool lore up to that point
>>747540062Remember how you couldn't show that in the previous thread? Remember how you said D4 is trying to catch up to PoO2, even though D4 is raping (like you're raped) PoO? Remember that? Remember how Diablo 4 is running today, which means it's not EOS, by definition? Remember that? Enjoy your second rate EA game by German Goo Girls.
>>747540220what?
>>747540214The seasonal story isn't really relevant to the campaign storyline. It's like "Bob is fighting vampires that didn't exist a week ago, and do now."That said, seasonal content can be completed in 2-3 days. If you consider 30 times that not enough time to do it, perhaps single player games are more your speed.>>747540298Remember that? You claimed it was EOS, and you got raped, because you're The Raped.
>>747540220>>747540346You okay?
>>747540378
A new schizoid materializes! What will he name his boogeyman?
>>747540513You're The Raped, of course. I'll be your TheRapist.
>he is so buttmad that an indonesian millworm milking forum doesn't like blizzard slopKWAB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZHTIiPvOKodiehard d4 fans are not liking the d5 news. things looking grim already.
>>747540712at least he's not talking about warcraft, starcraft, or overwatch that's real blizzslop for blizzdrones lol
>>747540723>mathil1>diehard d4 fanlol
>>747541015blizzdrone melty
>>747540723I thought nobody played. How can there be diehard fans? It literally has 0 players at all times, and my mom (male) works at Atlus, so I know.
>>747541085Sounds like you're a bit molested. Wanna talk about it, champ?
We should all play through Immortal. It'll increase our design understanding on the series.
>>747541141Why? I'm YOUR TheRapist.
>>747541051mathil definitely isn't a diehard d4 fan. wooden joseph would be a diehard d4 fan. also, d4 is just more blizzslop
>>747541303Sounds like cope, your boy didn't even post a video. If he can't be assed to react to it, then he's not a real fan.
>>747499016>DLC level teaser>it's a whole new game for almost 4 years from nowWTF, what are they doing? this is just shareholder bait, what are they going to produce or hype for the next 3 years?it seems to me like Blizzard is doing their "We have Elder Scrolls VI almost ready I swear!"
>>747541487d4 underperformed so they needed to start from scratch (and also charge full price again)
>>747499016Now that the dust has settled Can we agree D3 at it's final state is pure fun kino?I always find myself going back to it and torchlight 2I don't like the cartoonish style of both games but man do I love the gameplay of these games.
>>747541558Nah. It's shit. You're stockholmed as fuck.
>>747541487>what are they going to produce or hype for the next 3 years?As a mindless Diablo consumer, what am I meant to do for three years?
>>747541667You need to become a mentally ill sperg and spend every day doing damage control on /v/ on behalf of Blizzard until launch. You must sacrifice everything for D5.
>>747541535>$666m in 5 days>underperformedhttps://www.ign.com/articles/blizzard-reportedly-leads-xbox-as-top-performing-studio-thanks-to-overwatch-and-diablo
>>747542069Shill post
>>747542180>I lie, and that's good.>You tell the truth, and that's shilling.I...see.
>>747541558They should have kept D3 and Immortal for you brainlets and made D4 the deliberate dungeon crawler experience that intelligent players wanted.
Combat needs a new hook for mob based combat.D4 has some cute concepts like chaining the player and walling them off, but it needs something like Blade & Ember https://youtu.be/FHz306DGhE8?t=185PoE2's bosses are also so good, and while Lord of Hatred did step it up in this department, the bosses still feel like WoW raid encounters from 10 years back.Either drop the enemy count so that combat becomes more methodical or create a gimmick to play off of huge hordes of enemies.
>>747542380D4's original plan was to be a soulslike in the Diablo universe. That's why all the models were so insanely high quality for the distance the camera sat at.
>>747500297it was just a cinematic trailer. They announced new starcraft game, and classic+ so people are also distracted by those. Ill be excited if they show game features / gameplay and it looks good.t- didnt buy D4 but will probably now that its going on sale.>>747500962return of D2 story telling.I dont want NPCs yapping unless its some exposition in few paragraphs i can click anywhere in the game to interupt and walk away from, just like D2. with the major cutscenes happening in between acts and no other in game cutscenes.With D2 itemization.and D3/D4 combat, but where enemies react to getting hit beyond flashing a color.
>>747542513>t- didnt buy D4 but will probably now that its going on sale.For the love of Xenu, don't buy it on Steam. The bnet version has fewer problems with interconnectivity between players, and the PTR is only available there.
>>747509091PoE2 is the best just for going through the campaign imo. i dont care about endgame.
>>747542513>return of D2 story telling.you ain't gettin that shit lil nigga LOL
Anyone who thought any Blizzard story was more than trash in an Indian restaurant is a fucking blizzdrone.
>>747499016The only good diablo game are 2 and 1
>>747542594well its been a pretty common caompliant by everyone that there is too much yapping and too much interruption of gameplay in D4. In the D4 expansion one quest took about 20 minutes to do and interrupted you 14 times to yap at you. someone needs to reign that shit in. pretty much everyone agrees. i could have told blizzard the same thing when d3 released
>>747499676>open world stroy driven third person shooterUnironically Diablo 5 is going tl be the better game
>>747542703diablo narrative director hamburger hepler disagreesyou shall get more forced unskippable dialogue, this time with more gay romance
So what did (You) think the reveal was going to be?I thought D4 expansion based around D1 to reintroduce Diablow and link into D5 and a spinoff game co-developed by CDProjectRed
>>747542919She did do Origins, but she also did Dragon Age II. That's like writing The Dark Knight and then Batman Forever.Anyway all the devs are too old. You get too conservative with design decisions in later years.
>>747542841You can't do anything with a third person shooter.>Gears of War>Warhammer 40kThat's literally it.
>>747542594IS THAT HAMBURGER HELPER?!
>>747543163It's the open world part thst will make it shit
>>747542703Not only is the yapping bad, but the content of the yapping is ludicrously gay. We’re just watching people go through therapy, that’s all these retards know to write
>>747543067And Cisquisition.
>>747542703It's not the yapping that's the issue, D2 yaps for ages as well.It's the camera. It's too zoomed out and so you instantly feel outside of the drama.D5 needs some Metroid Other M moments where the camera is behind the shoulder and you're doing things.
>>747542502I wouldn't even mind that in another spinoff, I just don't know why they turned D4 into D3 then abandoned it.
>>747543227the one and only
>>747542632Some of the storytelling of D4 had promise but it looks like it's over
Damn I better check in on my D4 playing friends might have to call 911 on some of them.
>>747542968I mean a retvrn to tristram expansion with Diablo in it would be the obvious answer
>d5 is supposed to return to the dark roots of diabloRemember when they said that about d4? haha..
>>747542594>Following the release of Dragon Age II, which received a divisive reaction from players, Hepler was targeted for harassment due to her work on the game>During a 2016 interview conducted by Polygon staff, Hepler explained that she was no longer interested in writing work for video game projects which she believed psychologically rewarded players who were attacking her with gameplay that allowed them to do the same things they did to her in real lifelmao
>>747543295>you now remember Azmodan skypeing you ever five minutes to say "you may have stopped my x but you'll never get past y"
>>747543642The only thing good about the story was Demon Mommy.
>>747543808>skypeingholy unc
>>747543713I thought D4 was TOO dark in some areas.
>>747543941Mommy, Prava and company had promised but we're underutilized, Inarius really did nothing but job though he and his cult could have been cool. They focused so much on Neyrelle, who was just boring and had finished her arc while everyone is wondering where Tyrael was. >>747543948Do you know when D3 released lil bro?
>>747543524>D2 yaps for ages as well.its not even close to the same thing.
>>747543524When I’m doing a side quest and the content is me watching my character affirm some gay black woman agonizing over having self-doubt, my issue isn’t with the pov of the camera>>747543808Kek
>>747543941She was absolute garbage and her retarded redemption storyline in VoH was even worse
>>747544351Do not speak ill of my mommy.
>>747499535Dead game that can't even hold a general in /vm/
>>747544503Absolute gutter scum shit that's almost as embarrassing as Xal'atath. Absolutely embarrassing display, anon. I'd say you can do better but you can't.
>>747543941I came to realise that demons and angels are not good direct antagonists because they just represent some emotion or concept.>I'm the guy of Hate>I'm the guy of TerrorWhat nuance is there to that? That's why the best part of 4's story were Elias and the burnt guy from VoH because they actually had motives. Elias was trying to save Sanctuary.If you take Lilith though, she doesn't really have a well planned meaning. She and the other deity characters more like embody a concept and that's sort of it. There's no real rationale or second guessing involved, it just is.
>>747544351The Lilith vs Mephisto idea was compelling at first and I thought it was going to be used for a more antihero story, especially when there was no holy class and every season was about using demon powers or witchcraft there for awhile.
>>747499535No one in their right minds is still playing D4D5 can get retards to waste their money getting a shitty game all over again, because westoids refuse to learn
>>747544580>almost as embarassing as gibberish
>>747544532That's because everyone that plays is 30-40 years old. The only reason generals stay alive on /vg/ is because 22 year olds in university are posting there.The top comments on the D5 reveal are boomers groaning about how they have to survive another 3 years.
>>747544630Shitablo players get what they deserve LMFAO.
>>747542594>>747514003>>747514037as someone who helped kick off the original meme, i am fucking flabbergasted at thislet's continue shall we?
to fix the writing all they had to do was play diablo 1 or 2 once and see that there were no cutscenes or compelled dialogueits possible that corporate writing can never be good almost by definition since it requires a severe and singular author
>>747544731D2 uses cutscenes as a reward for a chapter's end.
>>747544717You don't need a great story for a game like this and in fact too much storytelling get in the way or becomes a joke like D3. D4 had just enough to be interesting at first but blew it in VoH.
>>747499016>Diablo will free Mephisto and Baal>You will team up with Lilith and the player character from Diablo 4 who will be canonized as a paladin who ascended to angelhood and maybe Tyrael if he doesn't die in the next D4 expansion to fight them
>>747544819>next D4 expansion Anon, I...
>>747544671The subreddit is dead too and the only activity is people bitching about the game
>>747544901It's three+ years (D5 will probably get delayed) until it comes out, they can shit out a final expansion before then. Though I definitely wouldn't put it past them to completely abandon D4 and provide shitty seasonal content until D5, given the fact that nobody is playing.
>>747544919>the only activity is people bitching about the gamet. every fandom of any thing ever.
They're 100% going to be doing some Battle.net early access thing like Poe2 and BG3. 100%
>>747545035>given the fact nobody is playingI even asked your country's god (AI).
>>747514003>>747514037Games she wrote were better written than modern trash nowadays. Better than veilguards and andromeda
>>747545147I posted the wrong thing.
>>747545234>>747545147People forget how big Diablo is. It's like Call of Duty, the same way that game and Fortnite don't have a big precense on gaming forums.
>>747545035>I definitely wouldn't put it past them to completely abandon D4 and provide shitty seasonal content until D5Blizzard already announced that's what they're doing. No more expansions and probably some rehashed season slop.
Will the angels all job again?
They just don't understand what made Diablo 2 so good. And it doesn't help that the loudest retards they listen to are the "muh endgame" retards who also don't understand.
>>747545549They're all buttfucked and impaled on dragon dildos in the cinematic so yes
I'm reading online comments and no one is excited for this. How did Blizzard fumble so hard?
>>747546349>fuck up D4>fuck up D3Man I have no idea
>>747546349They lost it a long time ago and have been coasting off the success of a different group of people from twenty years ago.
>>747546349There are no straight white male nerds making their games anymore. It's all talentless women, coloreds and faggots.
>>747544173i'm just joking because i'm an unc. do you think a lil gup would know skype? a lil gup would just do their "huh/what?" fluoride stare responses they always do
>>747546629>>747540298
>>747499016Internally D4 was considered a Flop before even VOH launched. The entire philosophy of "Make D2 but accessible for everyone." Was horrible and they knew no amount of overhauls would actually salvage things. That is when they started working on D5. There is a sense of actual fear on the dev team after the summer layoff's that if they don't give players what they actually want instead of trying to convince the players they want something else than Diablo as a franchise and the entire team at Blizzard will be axed.
>>747547387Players don't know what they want and 80% of them are retarded. They can't even articulate why they enjoy D2.
>>747547387They deserve it desu. They don't even know what kind of game they want to make. D4 is completely different now compared to when it launched and it changes drastically from season to season. That whole time it's never felt truly finished to me, from skill trees to paragon.
>>747544724>started 2025 it was people hating on D4 that caused Blizzard to invest and hire a "professional"./v/ has no one to blame but itself!
just fucking play diablo 2.
d4 flopped so hard lmao no one wants this
>>747499016>Diablo 1-4 were meaningless and all protagonists ultimately achieved nothing
>>747548549Every Diablo past 2.
L M A OMAOHOLY FUCK IMAGINE BEING A BLIZZDRONE
>>747545234>Old sales figuresAre you trying to make a point with this? You think you can articulate it or are you only capable of posting screenshots?>>747545375Yikes
>>747548728well, 6 years is a long time to support a dead project in the modern era. this game failed from the very launch.
>>747547387If there were anyone left in that piece of shit team that could save the project, they would have been moved to a more promising project than Diablo Fucking 5. It's fucking done. I'm not even going to entertain buying it. I'll probably be playing poe 1 still when it comes out.
>>747547528The most meaningful issues between D2 and D4 are in itemization and skill trees, which have been there since day 1 and still haven't been fixed.>>747548549That shouldn't be surprising, considering evil will always exist. You really think mortals are capable of putting a stop to Diablo & friends for good?
>>747499016I don't buy games made by women and women enablers.
>>747516036couldn't even properly crucify them, had to hang them off their arms comfortably on the crosses
>>747549024>most meaningful issues between D2 and D4 are in itemization and skill treesI don't agree because you can only take those so far. You can't go further than Diablo IV's itemisation and you can't go further than POE's ridiculous attribute tree.D4's skill tree IS good, but that's not a conversation about RPGs people are willing to have.And I swear to god if someone replies and posts about how D2's skill tree is good in 2026 so fucking help me
>they will surely learn this timeall they learned is that seasons do nothing for them and they only get traction during big releases
>>747547387This is exactly what I was thinking when they showed off WoW Forever, it reeks of a desperate attempt at keeping their jobs after daddy Microsoft put their foot down yet they STILL couldn't fucking help themselves and added faggy elves and microtransactions to it.
>>747549180How exactly is D4s tree any good when it's literally all just "Add % damage type to specific skill" and "Cast faster/Cast more/Cast larger"?
>>747548786It sold like hot cakes, only incels complained because it didn't have thousand hours of endgame grind.
>>747549294Because the concept of reattributing the skill tree on the fly during playthroughs to match new equipment is better for RPGs than a static tree that locks people in.So a skill tree should be simple and dynamic, changing the same way and at the same rate a player's equipment does.But instead we attribute complexity as the illusion of choice to skill trees in games.
Is there some reason this game has attracted such a large audience of schizo detractors?
>>747549465lots of poebabies that feel insecure d4 mogged poe 1 and 2 in sales
>>747549465we have standards.
>>747549313yeah it sold well based on the premise of the cinematics. then you play the game and find out its dogshit
>>747549180D4 items are so same-y that you literally have a catalogue of "skills" that you have to put on every piece of individual gear each time you change something. And D4's skill tree is ass because you're entirely gear-reliant. D4 is just D3.5
>itemization
>>747549516>>747549465the gaped
>>747549553>And D4's skill tree is ass because you're entirely gear-reliantthat's the point of it, so that the two coalesce and feed into each other based on the random factor of dropped loot.
>>747549640what are these games talking about with these item descriptions
>>747499147i want this, actually
>>747549640d4 items in reality:
>>747549742why? how many different times are you gonna be slackjawed over seeing diablo?
>>747549831>he thinks Diablo will be in D5LOL!
Alright but you gotta build up to it now in D4's remaining seasons. You can't just do 10 more "Season of The Damned" or whatever and call it a day.
Now we can finally be rid of the people in these threads who go,>game is called diablo>diablo isn't in itall the way until Diablo VI where Diablo goes missing again for 4 years
>I live in a timeline where people think diablo 3 isnt dogshit and diablo 4 will soon followThen again calling them people is a bit much
>>747550030ive always believed initial launch D3 was pretty fun. I poopsocked it for like, 3 weeks. Getting to inferno for the first time on my dh and having to kite blue packs for 15 minutes dodging everything perfectly the whole time and doing like 3 dps was exciting af
>>747549867From blizzard's own website
>>747550243im almost certain that text was ai generated and they won't even consider it when they start actually coding the game 18 months from now.
>>747499016You already lost me years ago Blizzard. There's just no excitement in me for your games anymore even though I fucking loved Diablo/Starcraft/Warcraft back in the day
>>747549875oh god, does this mean Diablo is going to be ranting at us all game how we can't possibly stop his next plan, and then cursing us for thwarting it afterwards? Like that Azmodan in D3?
>>747549831because a new game is more fun than just another expansion? I dont give a fuck about seeing Diablo.
>>747550305D4 made $666m on day 5. Blizzard doesn't need your stupid ass.
>>747501074you could get frozen orb at like level 5 kek
>>747550368sorry, meant for >>747550243
I feel like the genre is stagnant and shit.
I see a bit of early Game of Thrones inspiration in V as well. The concept art, "Heir of Westmarch".
>>747550645who asked
Luminary ascendancy is more fun than the entirety of diablo 5 will as a whole be
>>747550974>luminaryYou didn't beat the game
>>747551220ive cleared all content aside from atziri cuz it doesn't really work in there.
>>747546349that's kazusa
>>747549180>And I swear to god if someone replies and posts about how D2's skill tree is good in 2026 so fucking help meWhat's bad about it? There's enough variety that you can level the same class multiple ways adding variety for replays and most builds have X free points you can spread around as you like. I haven't touched Diablo 4 because it looks bad and I already got burned by Diablo 3, but Diablo 3's system of just giving you 100% linear unlocks for all class abilities and runes was awful and meant there was no reason to ever level the same class twice because it would always be the same.
>>747542069>>747542220We have no idea how much the spent on the game, it was in development hell for 10 years and reportedly had over 9000 people working on it.The average salary for 9k+ people alone is roughly 800-900million A YEAR.GTA 6 is upwards of 3 Billion dollars now, so it wouldn't shock me if Blizzard spent close to 1-2 Billion developing (and marketing) D4.
>>7475520419k people being credited doesn't mean all of them were working on the game for 10 yearsAnd a lot of those people are from outsourcing studios in poorer countries
>>747552041that is fucking derangedthat is over 30x the devs that worked on D2
>>747549640>>747549734>>747549829retards please, both poe and d4 have awful itemization
>>747554159no u dnt understandif theres more text on the item the better the game ishuh?what do you mean no one understands what all the text means
>>747553965Video game credits are not real anyway. A lot of times if another studio gets contracted to do something, maybe 5 people will be working on that Diablo related thing and the whole 70 person company gets thrown onto the credits.
>>747499535because they can sell you all the extra junk again in next game
>>747499016D4 garnered such a terrible reputation that microjeet told them to just make a new one. Kek, how far has blizzard fallen.
>>747499016Can I buy it on Steam or GoG? No? Then I don't give a fuuuuuuuuuuck.
>>747501710true they should wait at least for 10 year gap
>>747554850Thank you for your contribution to the thread.
>>747531905It’s just like socialism; it’s never been done right!
>>747550243sounds just like Wotlk
>post apocalyptic>no more gothic cities and Greek temples>all ruinsI don't like the idea. Where do they go next? Might as well end the series.
Oh boy, I can't wait to find a sword that does +.02% laughing damage to silly enemies only to immediately need to replace it as soon as I level up because now it takes 30 hits to kill trash mobs again until I find a one level higher sword of thursday funnies
>>747549867It literally says "the lord of terror has returned" in the trailer.
>>747556596ai slop says a lot of shit
>>747499016So they gave up on 4 huh?Why the fuck would i expect 5 to be better, when they kept changing core mechanics every year, going back and forth without a clue what they're doing?And the less said of seasons the better, holy shit
Just let this shit die. PoE2 already mogs all of nu-diablo.
SAAR. DO NOT REDEEM THE NEW DIABLO IN 2029 SAAR
>Diablo 4 launched in June 2023 >IT'S FINE! DIABLO V WILL COME OUT IN 2029 SO IT'S STILL THREE YEARS AWAY BUT WE HAD TO ANNOUNCE IT ANYWAY HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The lord of Terror is female, a trans-female to be precise.
>>747514143you really cant tell from teh fucking face?
>>747522408based fellow grim dawn enjoyer
>>747541667your 50 euros mount saar?
>>747556970That is good for exactly three (3) years, no refunds!
>>747499016>Beat Diablo like 3 fucking times, 3rd time when he was Literally Tathamet or whatever>Clapped Mephisto for talking shit twice>Lilith's entire plan scuppered, and she ends up pulling a Sylvanas and sacrificing herself for (you) to take Mephisto further off the board than usual for a major demon>Entire writing team is plugging their ears and pretending the Nephalem doesn't exist, don't even have the dignity to retcon 3>Nobody gives a shit about Baal.>Do they even remember the High Heavens was being set up as a potential threat to humanity?Everyone else can complain about how woke, expensive or unoptimised this game is. I am going to complain HEAVILY that storywise, it is somehow the LEAST imaginative and LOWEST effort take on the premise of Hell invading Earth. And it's competition is DOOM. Not even 2016/Eternal. The original fucking Doom games had better ideas on how to progress their damn stories than Blizzard just going "Uh, UH, SHIT WE KILLED THEM ALL OFF, BRING DIABLO BACK!!!" for the nth time.All that effort into gorgeous fucking visuals and finding competent VAs, and yet they write the actual storyline like two bored McDonalds employees and their mom scribbled it out in 15 minutes.>>747516215Was D3 even that bad as a game? It's been so long I've blotted out all the memories.
There was nothing wrong with 4 except for the story. It's just a meme and a ton of poe marketers spamming every corner of the internet about muh skill tree! d4 le bad!
Diablo 3 is a racist masterpiece
>>747522814>I’m not really sure if I understand it myself. IdkPersonally, I fully accept it was a product of it's times where everything just came together. It was my babby's first hack and slash ARG and dungeon crawler. It had a hot amazon and a sorceress squabble up on the character select screen. It had a gorgeous fucking artbook full of demons and lore and shit. The playstyles were all distinct without overwhelming you with lots of extra grindy bullshit compared to the later games, it put effort into little things like making the mana/health orbs look cool, and I got to click like crazy on the demons of the Deadly Sins and the really big demons trying to end the world until they fell down. Good simple fun with nothing else like it with the same production values to compete, at the time.I will never pretend D2 was a work of high art. It was clunky, it was cheesy, and it is not a game I have any interest in playing any longer. But it hit my childhood just right.
>>747557063>Was D3 even that bad as a game? It's been so long I've blotted out all the memories.It was okay (terrible at release due to the RMAH) but that's not good enough when you're walking in the shadow of Diablo2.
I loved Diablo but hated Diablo 2. Is 2 and 4 worth playing or should I just play replay Diablo again (or maybe Nox)?
>>747557092I agree, but god fucking damn the story made me want to kill the asian bitch who ran away with Mephisto's rock just so there could be more story, and the story was written in a way that felt like the writers really wanted Lilith to be the main character and had to reluctantly keep going back to the MC and having him cry about how hard is life is.Side note, it's kind of funny to me most of the Diablo protagonists don't really have anything special going on. They just powergrind until they can punch a Prime Evil until it dies. That's how you did it in D1-2. I thought it was weird the MC of 4 really didn't get much out of having Lilith's blood, even when she calls you her dream come true it was framed more like an ideological thing than literally being an OP supersoldier, but in hindsight it was exactly on par with the actual Lord of Terror getting shanked by some random prince.
>>747557278*3 and 4
>>747522814for me its a the high contrast, gritty aesthetic. It can be done in 3d, PoE2 has come pretty close and certain parts, like the underground vaal ruins, feel like D2 Mephisto temple. D3, in contrast, straight up feels like WoW mod when you look at it and don't know its supposed to be a diablo Second place is relative build freedom per class with the skill trees. Grim Dawn is a mimic of that concept. PoE1 did it best with the refined overaching skill tree it has now, PoE2 one feels like a place holder Never cared that much about itemization although it seems to be the biggest importance to D2 fans. PoE2 went back to overtly relying on it again instead of dispersing character power between the skill tree and items
>>747516215damn I have to stop consuming porn
>>747504753D3 did a great error at relase, the auction house with money
>>747557375i'd argue that grim dawn has ay more freedom than poe with the constellation system
>>747557278I stand by what I said about 2 here >>747557227, it was fun at the time but I don't think I could enjoy it these days.Good lord though, if you hated 3 then don't even give 4 a chance. Without knowing what you hated about 3, I am almost certain 4 has more of it and is even more obnoxious about it.>>747557271I suppose. I did find it funny 3 was trying to go all SMT with how much of a bigshot the MC was, but I started to roll with it. I will never stop ragging on Blizzard for being cowards about the Nephalem. The right thing to do is put in the work to continue the story with him in the world somewhere (maybe he's offscreen fighting something else while Sanctuary gets more stories) but if they want to retcon him, they should have just been upfront about retconning him instead of this endless nonsense where I'm supposed to give a shit about Lilith and Diablo when (theoretically) there's a fucker out there who could dogwalk them at the same time.
>>747525901PoE2 WASD movement happened as a coincidence. They started out by experimenting with it for the mercenary class and later implemented it for all. It does not work equally too. Feels really good for ranged or spell casters, but for melee mouse is better
>>747557463I didn't hate 3. It was 2. I haven't played 3 and 4.
>>747557375Diablo 2 was fun because gear wasn't defined by its +str/+crit/+HP etc... Those stats had no impact on your DPS, only what gear you could wear which meant if you hit all the right breakpoints for equipping things, you could start wearing wacky gear pieces that would allow you to use teleport on a barb or give you access to paladin's auras etc...
>>747500297because its made by the company that thought Diablo Immortals was a good idea. Blizzard lost all credibility with Diablo 3's release.
>>747557526>no no no I need to live off nostalgia for d2!>nothing can ever be better unless it makes me relive member-berries!Stop listening to Gen Xers that will start dying off very soon.
>>747557502Then my opinion remains unchanged. The games changed a lot between 2 and 3, if you didn't like 2's changes from 1 I just can't imagine you liking 3 and 4.
>>747557682thanks anon!
>>747547387>if they don't give players what they actually wantEveryone wanted D2R expansion and the most we got about it was MrLlama talking to a dude on his own stream.So whoopty fucking do
All of the focus on seasons and endgame killed Diablo for me.D2 was just a chill game to play through for a while and then quit when you got stuck or beat baal on hell. Only a small minority of turbo autists kept farming the endgame shit forever.
>>747557721if you want that type of game there are grim dawn and dragonkin, among those two grim dawn is the one thjat is more similar to D2 tone wise
>>747557721The endgame was basically farming runes. Runes could drop from any content so just playing the game normally was essentially farming the endgame.I have no idea how they got this shit so right back in fucking 2001.
>>747510196poe2 is in a identity crisis. the foundations are fucked
>>747557698Np, this thread is comfy for me at least thinking about the good times, but I'm very aware there's no going back to them. And not just because of Blizzard being unwilling to just make a good damn game with a well-written story instead of endless monetisation and the absolutely godawful attempts to humanise Lilith in D4. The past is a different country.
>>747557802Just to confirm, the redhead on the cover isn't a major character in Grim Dawn right?
>>747557721Yeah. Diablo 2 was just a good game to play. The sequels are shit because instead of making a game that's just good to play they listened to end game faggots who don't actually want to play the game in the first place.
>>747557904she's an important npc in the last expansion Fangs of Asterkarn, she's part of the main quest and tells you the lore of her people
>>747557942Show us where you are forced to swipe vs POE's endless monitization.
>>747557870>>747558110And I don't disagree about the story; it was terrible and felt unfinished for the purpose of selling you seasonal dlc.
>>747522814Simple but with a lot of interesting mechanics underneathA sweet spot between low stats like in DnD and exponential growth of stats and damage into millions and billions like in most of new ARPG, mostly because there isn't much "multiplier stacked on top of multiplier" going onNo story handholding, no cutscenes, you can run past everything except creating the staff in A2 and flail in A3, and those are just small detours. You don't even have to save Cain, Rogues do it for you after you kill Andariel and move to A2, but then you have to pay for identification.Every item is worth picking up - white/gray for base, specific blues with good rolls and sockets, godly rares to find, sets and uniques obviouslyRunewords are a fantastic system, some runewords could use some balancing, but I'm surprised no other game ever really copied itJust killing hell Baal is already a big chunk of your gameplay, instead of just being something you want to do within 3 hours just to reach the max level and start endgame. There are plenty of places you can start farming along the way that already give you the potential to find anything, you don't need Baal dead for that, there is no rush.
>>747557063The base game story in D4 is honestly pretty good. Both lilith and mephisto are trying to temp humanity and you respectively and you dont really know their end game, especially in lilliths case. There was some nuance. Then the expansions came and all that nuance went to shit, Lillith is now slyvannas 2.0 and was actually the good guy all along, please forgive her and mephisto mustache twirling villain and the way they killed lorath is downright shameful>Was D3 even that bad as a gameWith the expansion its still the best diablo game and no one can change my mind
>>747558978>Then the expansions came and all that nuance went to shit, Lillith is now slyvannas 2.0 and was actually the good guy all along,There are some things I didn't like how D4 implemented them more than the basic concept, like Lilith's dead son being such a throwaway plot device/cheap attempt to give her nuance, but honestly yeah the DLC shat on the basic plot so hard they're not even worth mentioning by comparison.
>>747557942I wish they did but neither the campaign nor the endgame are fun. Their idea of endgame is just doing the same but with higher numbers which is not what endgame is all about.
