are we boughting it? I dont have faith in modern blizzard to be able to balance the RPG/RTS gameplay present in the original campaigns
>>747515180Me neither. Unless I see praise from the grognards who had no problem shitting on Stormlord or whatever their devs called their last RTS attempt, I'm going to assume more reforged-level incompetence.
nolike fuck i'm paying 30 dollars for what is essentially a custom campaign
nah never cared for warcraft. more interested in the starcraft thing myself but it's years away and probably some stupid online stuff
>>747515682>30 dollarsthat is if you already own Deforgedotherwise you gotta pay another 30 to buy Deforged in order to play it lol
>>747515180Is the main interface still a webpage coded in react?
>>747515747oh yeah that's true if this isn't playable without refunded then my ass these retards are getting 70 dollars for a 20 year old game's expansion
>>747515856Of course. Now with even more jank and clusterfuck.
I almost bought the $80 Warcraft Forever pack that includes the game but then I questioned my life and didn't. I have $350 in my bnet account but it still feels like a waste.
>>747515180Blizzard destroyed all my faith in them when they decided to shit on Warcraft 3's legacy and freely gave it away to a third party and sold it in a disgusting state while removing the original game from usI will probably get it when they discount it at $5 but no more
The new graphics are amazing. Stop shitposting
Wasn’t there just a few days ago a custom fan made campaign that released about literally the same thing? I was mad confused when blizzard played this trailer I thought they just bought out the mod and published it officially
>>747515180the new hero is designed like a fucking moba hero and will cause tons of problems
>>747516085So they upscaled the old WC3 models and called it a day?
>>747515180Holy fuck noIt's WC3IT basically killed the fucking concept of RTS Not even pirating it since there's zero reason to play it
>The new graphics are amazing. Stop shitposting
these people are uncreative. they follow playbooks and formulas. they're taught in college to follow playbooks and formulas, then they get hired because "degrees". now they're trying to replicate what blizzard did in the past generating excitement for blizzcon. have they fully replaced the fanbase for this strategy to work financially? let's hope not. actually, let's hope AI comes along and obliterates these people, their "degrees", and their perverted IP-law exploitation forever.
>>747515180Where are the new races and units ffs it’s the least they could do
>>747516085og wc3 mogs this garbage
>>747516085Warcraft Mobile.
>>747515180no i’m not paying for vandalism
Damn now I'm in the mood to replay some WC3. And again, which was the last good version to play?
>>747516430the current version works fine, you can turn off the reforged graphics
>>747515180World of Warcraft lore sucks.It is Warcraft lore told through a medium(MMORPG) that requires more concessions and therefore can't tell as many stories as other genres can.Factions get plot armor and become stagnant because you don't want to break up friends.If you're creating a world where you can walk from Stormwind to Tirisfal, in a book, you can tell it is how ever many miles you want, in most games you can do the same and just focus on specific areas as the story unfolds. RTS often does this by telling you between missions "3 days later at...", and you don't experience the travel through gameplay.An mmo without gaps need to show the whole way, and as long as it is understood that the world is actually bigger in the lore, then that's fine, because that means the scale of world you see in the mmo can change, but 95% of the players do not understand that anymore.In fact, all of the writers of WoW novels do not understand that, they think you can go for a light jog and end up on the other side of the continent. Writers and showrunners of tv shows usually understand this, explained fairly succinctly by GRRM here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHnpD0sbXZsWarcraft 3 tier lore isn't coming back with this, it's like instead of the next asoiaf book from GRRM you get season 8 GoT writers to write the next book with the assumption that people loved how GoT ended.Nothing good comes from them defiling their old games.If you don't care about lore then it offers nothing.
>>747516510>the current version works fine>no offline modelmaooooooooimagine advocating playing a campaign with ping loooooooooool
>>747516085Eh, I'll take the Reforged graphics if it's all the same to you.
>>747515180I would LIKE to try but I can't find my fucking account again dammit
>>747516085>>747516804to be the devil advocate, you can still use the original (and reforged) models outside of the new campaign.
>the new graphics is usable on custom games and shit for free but you can't play the old campaigns if you haven't bought the new campaignJust fuck me in the ass bro
>>747517054Yes, but now the game is a graphical clusterfuck, because depending on a campaign you're playing you'll be having presented with a different artstyle.They couldn't go that extra mile and make all the campaigns look CONSISTENT?
>>747516706blizzdrones are a genuine lost cause, they would be better off dead at this point
they covered up sorceress titties wtf
>>747516085Do people really hate this? This is what Reforged should have looked like to begin with. It still keeps that cartoony style that WC3 had but just looks more high res and better quality.It's 100000000x than this trash >>747516804
>>747516430pirate 1.26 and experience all the campaings bug free and how they were intended, anything aftewards is ridden with bugs and glitches they never bothered to fix
>>747517206They probably should have had the new campaign being it's own launcher, even gameplaywise it has a shitload of differences. it's almost it's own game.at the very least the new hero unit should have a model in classic and reforged though>>747517305it's weird because some characters are arguably more revealing while others are less
>>747517305>put pants on the huntress>gave granny panties to the archerThey just can't help themselves.
fuck no
>>747517305FUCK NU-BLIZZ
Anyone getting a bug when they try to launch it about a VPN or something? I'm on Linux.
Did they add new units to the factions or even a new faction or new neutral heros/mobs or is it really just a custom campaign
>>747517409>it's weird because some characters are arguably more revealingSuch as?
>>747517305new graphics covered up ALL of the female characters.
>>747517474a lot of new campaign units, but in the melee game there's only a new neutral hero
>>747517474they added one hero for multiplayer
>>747517474just a new tavern herothey doubled max unit selection tho
>>747517460Basically >>747511670
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHASAY THANK YOU MAY I PLEASE HAVE SECONDS AGAIN BLIZZTROONS
>>747517409>it's weird because some characters are arguably more revealing while others are lesslet me guess, are they showing more feet and tummies but covering up tits and ass?
>>747517364reforged is technically very poorly executed but has correct direction, while reforged 2: green edition has poor art direction (just look at all the blank surfaces and oversaturated colors) and awful ground textures
>>747517503Sylvanas still looks like herself, also the female villager also still has her large breast I think
>>747517206you cant use classic graphics in the new campaign?
>>747517305And people still hate Reforged artstyle.
>>747517674Nobody cares danhauser.
>>747517509So what? Did you miss the part where blizz had lots of problems with sexual harassment?
>>747517656it's like you're prescient anon
>>747517623>can't be played on protonBut how? Not just the original game but the original reforged DID worked on proton.
>>747516510I hope you're just pretending.>>747517376Thanks Anon, you're truly my greatest ally.
what about audio in Reforged?did they ever restore OG WC3 audio/voices or give an option to toggle between og/Reforged voices?
>>747517578>>747517612>>747517615weakIf they are afraid of upsetting vets, just add a toggle or a selection>play with RoC/TFT/FK rosterand keep balancing in separate notepads or somethingBut they can't be that worried about it if they doubled unit selection as that must change the flow of the game
>>747517695No. You are stuck with the new graphics, because they were too lazy to unify the artstyle between campaigns.
>>747515180Not buying because I already hated Sylvanas in TFT.>allowed Arthas to walk away because of hubris>then forgets about Arthas entirelyI'm thankful for world editor improvements in mainline WC3 though.
>>747517785Some time ago, actually.
>>747517785I believe only the foreign version had to change the voices, not the US one. US still is the focus so they probably won't have a toggle
So where's Warcraft 4?
>>747517646Oh my god imagine women wearing pants
>>747517839tbf you don't really play Sylvanas much, you play a new character I think>>747517912will depend if this does well or not I presume
>>747516085Absolutely disgusting. Let me see a gore explosion from clicking on a critter.
>>747516206used a better AI model
still not using the new graphics
>>747517912Nowhere just like Starcraft 3
>>747517646guess we actually had it pretty good with hots
>>747516085clash of clans looking ass
>>747517912>So where's Warcraft 4?..........
>>747515180I love the Forsaken, but they were ruined for so many years that I don't even want to play this.It leaves a bad taste in the mouth to remember how cool they used to be.Same goes for Forsaken Palas
If I buy Reforged can I just revert to version 1.29 and play that?I haven't found a reliable torrent since I'm too stupid to pirate
>>747517731that was debunked, jason schreier was caught lying about all of the sexual harassment, he conflated wage disparity claims with sexual harassment claims that were disproven in court
>>747517305they didprecisely what I did not want them to do
>>747518261Yes.
>>747516085Just purge my shit up
>>747518131HotS style would have been pretty neat for an rts.
>>747517646The virgin WC3:recucked.>>747518131The chad HotS.
>>747518261Reforged was literally just cracked yesterday
>>747517646>>747518131Samwise Didier leaving the company was the death of WoW artstyle
I have no idea which one I'm supposed to buy. I just want my graphics to look like >>747516085
>>747517364Reforged unironically looks better than the new "Definitive" graphics. Blizzard doesn't know what grit is anymore. I'll still play the original
Wait. The Skyborne are behind a paywall?
The graphics looked so awful in the trailer, even worse than how I remembered Reforged looking. Can you play this campaign with the classic graphics?
>>747518347>put samwise in charge>shit looks greatHe's the only furry I wouldn't purge.
>>747517646can you use old graphics for the new campaign?
>>747518405Ups, wrong topic.
>>747518405Chances the game itself is free*.
>>747518361I don't want to play Reforged, I want to play 1.29
What is the new tavern hero and what does it do?
Is the game really 100% unplayable on Linux including the single player? It used to work fine enough in regular and reforged dammit. Even wow works.
The world owes him a apology.
>>747518405>Wait. The Skyborne are behind a paywall?Yes.Blizzard Entertainment should rename to Blizzard Disappointment.
So this is gonna lead to "You didn't buy our shitty new mangles expansion of wc3 that means nobody wants a wc4".
>>747517785>what about audio in Reforged?>did they ever restore OG WC3 audio/voices or give an option to toggle between og/Reforged voices?
>>747517615>they doubled max unit selection thoThat's nice. I recently played the campaign again and the 12 unit limit was more jarring than I remembered.
>>747518261don't buy it, just fucking pirate it
What are your favourite custom campaigns?
>>747518661Why are you fags yapping about a wc4 as if we haven't just seen what nu-blizz is (not) capable of?
>>747518428>>747518469No. That would actually make sense.
>>747518814are you fucking serious?
>>747518261Yes, you can download 1.29 from the bnet launcher.
>>747515180>boughting
>>747518871pay up goy
>>747518787Rise of the Blood Elves.Curse of the Forsaken.Shadows of Hatred.Someone recommend me some fun orc campaign, so I can have campaigns for all 4 races.
>>747517646I suppose this is why she wasn't in the trailer
>>747518764Where? How?
>>747518787Malfurion's Quest (Good route never ever)Garithos saves Warcraft is funny, but ive only seen cutscenes
>>747518908so i don't get to use old graphics at all?
>>747518871I wish I was fucking with you. The end result is that depending on a campaign, you will end up with a drastically different artstyle.
>>747518787Trying to get though the Day of the Dragon one, but need to go back and play again.
>>747515180
>>747519015The old campaigns use either classic or Reforged graphics. New campaign uses only the new graphics. They got so lazy, that the new tavern hero only uses the new graphics, no matter what graphics you picked.
>>747515180Fuck no. I'm not even going to buy Diablo 5 or Starcraft shooter. I didn't even buy the warlock for D2. To hell with them
>30 hours of fresh contentisnt this the length of four campaigns?
>>747519180>They got so lazy, that the new tavern hero only uses the new graphics, no matter what graphics you picked.no way you're making this up
>>747518975By fucking doing it. The fuck do you think? There isn't some unique arcane method, you're just pirating a fucking videogame.
>>747518376its not that hard, the graphic update is free for reforge so get that, anything with Forsaken kingdom is for the new expansion
>>747518871yeah you can only play the new campaing with the newer graphics so you can "appreciate the new artstyle" or some shit
>>747519617how does this work with custom gamescan they not use new models, units, heroes etc?
For a perspective, as D2R released Reign of the Warlock, the following issues are with D2.>on D2: LOD (not D2R, the OG game), there is constant battlenet outages over the last few months so ladder characters can't play>we still don't have infinite stash space>we still have glitches like Glacial Trail not having a waypoint, Shenk the Overseer's broken audio, Duriel dropping 6 scrolls of town portals>endless botting and duping, 90% of games on ladder are just that>RMT buying of items, instead of having an actual trading form for it>Standard of Heroes still don't do anything>you need to sell 1000 SOJ to vendors to summon Diablo Clone, once again leading to more bots>90% of all unique and set items in the game are complete trash stats and haven't been updated since came out>runewords are still broken afAnd that's what I could think of off the top of my head.
>>747519617I feel sorry for grubby, he is already trying to damage control how bad this is
>>747519843a long, long time ago blizzard were renowned for releasing well-polished games.
>>747519814Well, in custom games you just pick the artstyle you want to use - classic, Reforged or the new one.The fun begins if you wish to play the original campaigns. There you only have a choice between classic and Reforged and they don't work with the new graphics.
>>747519931I would feel sorry for grubby, but he is already trying to damage control how bad this is
>>747519982So was the entire industry, mate. Xbox live and the widespread use of the post-launch update killed QA testing. Not to mention massive increases in hard drive space and processing power causing companies to just stop optimization.
>>747520006??? what?? Hold up, what the fuck do you mean?? what the fuck do you mean that you can't use the new graphic in the campaign?? What is the fucking point then?
>>747520163>So was the entire industry, matezoomer please, ctds were everywhere in the 90s and early naughts
>>747519617>from the fans to the fans>30€ siphoned straight to shitzzard plus whatever resharted costs these daysi'm good thanks
atp i seriously fear for the gaming industry if we're dredging up decades old the back catalog as the 'future' of game releases. huge top signal.
>>747520006i dont really get it im not buying that shit anyway im not sure there's a market hereeveryone i knew back in the day only played custom games (and dota)
>>747520254>ctdif you were lucky
Huh. I don't think this guy belongs.
>>747520253They were just lazy and didn't want to unify the artstyles across the campaigns, so you end up with this mishmash of different artstyles depending on a campaign you are playing.
>>747517305censorshit!!
>>747520479nothing there looks like it belongs, the assets clash with each other
>>747515180Not boughting, not pre boughtering, not not not
>>747520270what you mean you don't wanna pay for a new DLC for your favorite 23 year old game! you bought reforged right? right?!? otherwise you are gonna have to pay 60 dollars to have the privilege of experiencing this new DLC! if you don't want this then you aren't a true fan goy!
>>747517509DROPPED
>>747520479>game is a hate letter for the fans
>>747520479looks like a paladin reskin
>>747520479it still looks like absolute fucking garbage>b...but it looks better than Deforged!wow its better than literal dogshit! amazing!
>>747520750>what you mean you don't wanna pay for a new DLC for your favorite 23 year old game!but i do. i just want the DLC to not be dogshit garbage.
>>747518672They also cut out a lot of the joke voice lines. One of them was the dryad's "human mating call" which was "I'm so wasted, I'm so wasted"
>>747520893>>747520920this nigga stealing my dogshit garbage verbiage
>>747520054He doesn't want Warcraft 3 to die, its why he defended the original reforged graphics back in the day, and eventually relented that yes, they aren't good
>>747518814can you use ""new"" graphix in old campaigns?
>>747520893>b...but it looks better than Deforged!Eh, at this point I disagree. Because at least the Reforged graphics had a consistent artstyle behind it. The new graphics try to slavishly ape the WC3 models up until they don't. The night elves are the best example.
>>747521010yeah it's his job but if i lie to people for money they call me a scammer
>>747520479I saw much better Heroes in custom games
>>747521019No.
>>747520618Fucking hacks can't even put a texture pack over and old game, any ways you just save me some money, I was really considering buying it but fuck that if they can't even update the campaign
>>747521193Who tf approved that ??
>>747516085>>747518309>Footies helmet completly lacks the grim and and wear and tear other than 1 tiny, smooth scratchThis is why this and Forever will fail.
>>747521319i believe blizzard is having a meeting asking that question right now
>>747521319Blizzard, apparently.
>>747521386lol jk they have absolutely zero internal accountability (except if you do a badthink)
>>747517646This has got to be fucking bait dude. Like they legit just reused her HOTS model and just gave her pants.
>>747515180you should genuinely be shot in the head if you would ever even consider giving blizzard a single cent in 2026. you are not human
>>747517646fucking hell. the one thing i thought i MIGHT give blizzard money for and they just shit the bed.doomposters are right. this clown car company is beyond redemption
>>747516085It took Blizzard over 5 years to add those AI upscaled models into Reforged.Before that Reforged Graphics used those Chinese models where every unit was composed of like 9 gorillion polygons. Units, mind you, that there would be hundreds of on screen at a time. Unuts that only be viewed from a top-down isometric view. Units that should have no more than 3 colors, with their army color being immediatly visible.I am convinced Blizzard got a paycheck from GPU companies to blow up people's old graphics cards. To force more sales.
>>747521010This is called being a shill.Mr Llama also did this with D2R.https://youtu.be/bJDdMSJ9KQo?is=FYMA0ld6W2yaBjnEI understand being in the good graces with a company that made games you like but it's honestly pathetic.People need to be more like Legend of Total War and go out with dignity.
So how many custom games did they brick with this update
>>747521764Oh yea for context Mr. Llama is making an apology video because he criticized the extremely lack luster nothing burger balance update for d2r unique items. The update is nonsensical and shows that the people behind D2R really have no clue what they're doing and he pointed that out in an albeit very gentle way. He then made this video apologizing.Blizzard really must be threatening these influences but that's what happens when you sell your soul to this devil of a company.
>>747521907basically all of themhive workshop's community is rioting
If Blizzard used AI to upscale the old models and icons. You gotta think, what else are they using AI for in Reforged?
>>747521576Looks a lot worse than her HotS model.
>>747521907Just about all of them.
I prefer the Reforged graphics at this point.Also, I swear they improved the unit portraits. Because I don't recall the Huntress looking this cute before.
>>747522390you got used to the taste of shit, how stunning and brave
has anyone actually played the campaign yet?
>>747522540Apparently, it's a lore clusterfuck.
>>747515180I haven't even gotten a modern WOW battle.net account. I'm gonna let you peons go first before I even consider it. What's the current state of reforged? Only people who know what frostmourne hungers for.>>747515747Bundle says it's 50.
>>747522590i dont care about lore I only care about the gameplay
It's gonna be like Megaman lore where everything got retconned to be an alternate timeline. You will have Warcraft 3 Timeline. And then you will have World of Warcraft Timeline.
>>747522485his fondness for poop doesn't improve the glass of urine blizzard is offering here
Uther NO
>>747522746i'm fine with that (though i will mock it relentlessly). but they have to actually make the games good.
>>747522641>What's the current state of reforged?Better than it was at launch, but that's not saying much. Blizzard still tries to unfuck this mess, but a) they don't seem to realize the root of the problem, b) by trying to fix things they are making things worse.I guess it's alright if you are only interested in a singleplayer campaign.
>>747515180anon the only real issue with reforged has been the graphics, the gameplay changes have been completely fine - on top of that blizzard is owned by microsoft now, and microsoft also owns age of empires, so there's no reason why you should have doubts about the gameplay
>>747515180Art style sucks, the re-done cinematic (Which I know is just machinima but still) sucks, and it's supposed to tie in with WoW-F. Nah.
>>747522936>anon the only real issue with reforged has been the graphicsYeah let's just pretend the last couple of years hasn't been spend undoing the damage reforged did.
>>747522895>a) they don't seem to realize the root of the problemthey not only got rid of all their good artists, they don't even employ anyone capable of RECOGNIZING good art
>>747522895The attempt would matter, if they weren't a multibillion dollar coporation outsourcing the development to another studio. There is too much money involved to just accept a bad product, or even a mediocre one.
>>747522936They just removed LAN btw
I’d rather spend $30 on the new D4 expansion which is on sale and having a new season where you can fight Diablo, Mephisto, and BaalWhat the fuck are they smoking with this $30 + tax + tip price point
Why would you pay for something worse when you can play something better for free? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyCPHjphF-g
>>747523179i'm keeping my $30 + foreskin
>>747523179>Mephistothe guy from faust?
>>747522895Fucking hell. maybe I'll check in again a year after launch.
>>747522390>yes i eat da poopo!Good Morning Sir!
>>747521454but it is genuinely so fucking retarded !! do they have literally zero oversight with above room temperature iq? refunded is now even bigger mess than it was AND you have to pay for it.. AGAIN ! WTF
>>747522390As a comparison - here are the new graphics....they look like the vanilla graphic, but upscaled. Except the models look way derpier.
>>747517305yeah at this point I'll take the seamonkey models that at least kept the tits and ass even if the lighting is shitthis shit looks like a shitty mobile game now and they censored most of the units, probably outsourced to indians who just AI upscaled it
>>747523785>how can we squeeze some more money out of desperate blizzdronesbasicallyNo one at blizzard can genuinely think that this is what makes Warcraft 3 better or Warcraft 3 fans in general happy
>>747522936whole application framework is broken. missing and gutted functions and whole modes. and now even LAN is gone
>>747523785>down-syndrome huntress
>>747522936>anon the only real issue with reforged has been the graphicsand the myrad of bugs and glitches they introduced to the campaings for no reasonand the fact all custom maps kept being broken the second a new patch release, plus the fact all the maps that were never updated are unplayableand the fact everything you do using the in-game world editor belongs to Blizzard nowand the horrible balance changes no one asked forand the terrible new unit voicelines they had to add the option later on to get rid offand the fact they removed the old battlenet completely and replaced with their dogshit bnet 2.0and now the completely unnesesary removal of LAN because no modern game has LAN support so i guess they gotta update this 23 year old game just to get rid of it to be in line with the others right? oh and always online even in singleplayer lol fuck yougo and jump off a fucking bridge blizzturd
>>747517305I bet they censored the dryad kek
>>747524232>and the horrible balance changes no one asked forwhat'd they fuck up this time?
SO HAS ANYONE ACTUALLY PLAYED THIS NEW CAMPAIGNINSTEAD OF COMPLAINING IN THIS THREAD ABOUT THE GRAPHICSHOW IS IT?
>>747517305NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
>>747524232>and now the completely unnesesary removal of LAN because no modern game has LAN support so i guess they gotta update this 23 year old game just to get rid of it to be in line with the others right?gotta make sure you calling gokuXxXfootierush a nigger is routed through nsa servers
>>747523785I unironically see nothing wrong with this.
>>747524391i'm not paying for this shit. go on twitch if you want to hear from shills and desperate sellouts
>>747524470m8 they can't even get the shading on the trees right
>>747524458you can't even say no no words anymore, they get filthered out automatically (and you probably get reported too for being a heckin chud)
>>747517197
>>747515180>Blizzard raped and gaped Wc3 and Warcraft as a whole>Are we buying?Are you for real? Anyone who buys this shit is literally twisting the dagger already in Wc3's rotten corpse.
>>747524391you better go watch some shill or shit eater that actually bought this play it blizzturd
>>747516085looks like some weird thirdie knockoff
>>747524354Her tits are more covered and her movement-animation is absolutely retarded looking.
>>747524391video...games? sorry but that's not what /v/ is for.
>>747523710Actually Reforged got a lot better after years of patches.
Someone spoil me on what this isIs it just a follow up to arthas becoming lich king
>>747518264I thought the whole thing was the government throwing its weight in for no reason other than maybe acting on tips and overblew their findings. Then the media did its thing and ran coverage to attack the so called "rampant sexism" in the industry.
>>747516085Looks too toy-like and devoid of grit, like everything is made out of the same material with no hard edges In the original you really get a feel for how rough or metallic things are
wait did they fuck up the books thing in the campaign menu or is my game broken
>>747524885how far do you think the distance is between jason schreier and chabad lubavich? we're not going to need the full seven degrees here
>>747515180>balance the RPG/RTS gameplay present in the original campaignsbalance? It's just a campaign. nothing changes.
>>747524894Yeah, it does look toylike as fuck.
>>747524437perfection...
>>747524997balance as in properly mix both aspects so they compliment each other
>>747525026jesus christ how horrifying
>>747522590So it's a standard WoW expansion then
>>747525026The two things that jump out at me the most are >the grass texture with that AI uniform distribution of detail>the trees look like they're from a different game compared to the character models, which look like they're from a different game compared to the buildings, which look like they're from a different game compared to the ground textures etc
Whats the best way to experience thee warcraft RTS games if I've played a lot of WoW but never the RTS.
>>747516085Not shitposting. It looks like a fucking mobile game and the Starcraft 2 test models mog the fuck out of whatever this shit is supposed to be.
>>747524657Crazy to think that once upon a time I believed Blizzard was the greatest video game company in the world and could do no wrong.Vanilla wow was fun for a bit, but it was when the illusion started to fade.TBC was so shit I never subbed again.Saw the change in map user agreement for sc2, and dropped it after a few months, never played again realizing it won't capture wc3 or even broodwar ums.Figured Diablo 3, that's a game they can't fuck up, but then I saw it get covered at blizzcon, guy in the audience said making builds was too hard in diablo 2, and asked if they were gonna fix that, and they said yes, they were catering to the lowest common denominator at that point, and the crowd was cheering. I was resigned to Blizzard having good games in the past and that was it, but they couldn't even let me have that.The starcraft remaster seems fine tho, no notes, but I'll never pay for it or them any more money
>>747525202warcraft 2 on gog (pirated)
>>747525202skip 1 and 2 and just play 3, reforged is fine if you just turn classic graphics on or you could pirate wc3 if you want, you might have to do something to get the cutscenes to work though
>>747525167Yeah, the buildings look like slightly upscaled vanilla models, the unit models seem completely redone and have a different feel to them, the trees are from a completely different game altogether and the grass is vanilla grass but AI enhances. It's a clusterfuck. At least the original Reforged graphics had a mostly coherent vision.
>>747525517>At least the original Reforged graphics had a mostly coherent vision.Please stop talking nonsense.
i think im going to buy it
>>747525223I get where you are coming from as I was complete Blizzardfag long ago.>Loved Starcraft and would regularly play the campaign because I enjoyed the story and characters.>Lived to witness Metzen gut all the setup and character development in 2, in favor of a dog shit redemption story where Kerrigan becomes God. >Loved Wc3 and probably spent a huge chunk of my childhood playing custom games as there was nothing like it. Even played WoW up to a point as it was simply the most snappy MMO out there.>Lived to watch it turn into a trans gay parade everyone sings kumbaya around the campfire storyline with Kerrigan 2.0 in the form of Sylvanas.>Loved Diablo 1 and 2 and would watch my dad play them until I could play it myself. Loved its dark gothic design.>Lived to see it lose all that identity and get WoW-graphics instead. Gameplay was streamlined into cooldown based super abilities with perks to modify your shit, but once you cracked the surface you realized most of the perks just changed the color and damage type.If there is any company I knew from my childhood that completely lost their way it is Blizzard. A damn shame.
Wait did they redo Reforged's graphics again? So there are three graphical modes now?
>>747526027Yes
>>747526027Yes. And both the new and original campaigns use different graphical modes. That's the Blizzard way.
>>747515180>released about a week after big fan forsaken campaign releasedlmaoing hard
>>747526052Eww what the fuck is that grass.
>>747515180from what i saw in the trailer it looks like its going to be starcraft2 heart of the swarm type of gameplay where its mainly hero focused, moreso hero focused than wc3 is meant to be, i think its gonna be quite shit to be honest
>>747517305REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Someone PLEASE tell me the new campaign doesnt have any WoW-isms
>>747526726two white men protagonistsalready very unexpected
>>747515180Trailer made it seem like they improved support for the original graphics. If they really reworked the base game in that regard, I might consider it.
>>747526460Yea the original grass looks way more detailed, how is that possible?
>>747526726censored models including whitemane's legs
Microsoft already tried the RTS/RPG combo. It was also surprisingly good. This version looks much worse.Also lame they are only adding new heroes and not new civs.
>>747517305>>747524354>i will now demonstrate my human call:>I'M SO WASTED, I'M SO WASTED!this dryad voice line also got removed because a drunk horny woman isn't politically correct
mrmmm yess saar i buying world of warcraft very gorgious game for good looks
>>747516651i always think this when im running through an mmo. like the world is literally smaller than a single real city, people have to understand they're making concessions for the sake of gameplay right? but i guess devs forgot that after a while.
I am SICK. SICK to the GILLS of this SHIT.You HAVE a high definition model. There's no need to guess each time "hurr how did the masters of old intend for this to look??".Look at this SHIT.The nu-archers look like a bunch of goblins hunched over. Dressed in some raggedy shit more fit for the horde than graceful warrior women that are over TEN THOUSAND YEARS OLD.Also the nu-models have no idle-animations and will just fidget 5ever instead of doing sovlfvll things like flourishing their weapons or tap their feet impatiently.
>>747526819?you've always been able to play with the OG gfx..well not in the new campaign now though lmao
i boat it
>>747526971Warcraft 3 factions have way more differences than AoE civs so I would guess the development time for a new faction would be rather large
>>747517415post archer panties
>just fuck my shit up
>>747527210First nintendo now blizzard has hired those men
So I guess we're never getting this then
>>747527079>Also the nu-models have no idle-animations and will just fidget 5ever instead of doing sovlfvll things like flourishing their weapons or tap their feet impatiently.this is inexcusable.
>>747527210Frightening lack of diversity
>>747526194>the new update broke the fan campaignCheckmate, fags. Bliizard always wins.
>>747527304Wait for Re-re-reforged
>>747523785>...they look like the vanilla graphic, but upscaled.No they don't. They look like the reforged graphic but upscaled. It looks nothing like the old art style.
>>747527304DLSS 5?
>>7475273963rd times the charm, right?
>>747527318Also, some of the animations are outright fucked. I don't know what the ghouls are doing, but that's not attack animation.
>>747527304A WC3 remake with awful graphics? We already got two of these.
>>747527210wait almost all the guys who made the dlc are white men? might actually be good
>>747518347it literally has a warcraft map which looks several times better than reforged
>>747527397Dude, that's literally the model from vanilla, but upscaled.
>>747527416No its the concept art for Warcraft 3 Reforged they accidentally posted on the store page when they did the first re-release of Reforged.
>>747527741They joke is that they used AI to create those pictures.
>>747516651In the novel for Tides of Darkness, it takes Lothar, Khadgar and Varian a couple weeks to travel from Southshore to Lordaeron's Capital City. So some of the older writers did understand this, although this was 20 years ago. It wasn't until around Cataclysm when almost every novel was given to Christie Golden that the world seemed to shrink to an MMO sandbox.
>>747516085They went with the gross Do2a shader instead of what HotS is using.
>>747517305They are the crowd that claims to be pro-women yet constantly shame femininity at every opportunity.
>>747516651Nothing you said has anything to do with the new expansion. In fact, it cuts against you.
>>747527304
My only gripe is that the new campaign is like the Founding of Durotar, I want base building missions.
>>747527867And yet it still looks way better than the new Reforged
>>747524391Played? Do you know where you are?
>>747524894>In the original you really get a feel for how rough or metallic things areNo you don't dude, you litraly just have nostalgia goggles on.
>>747524391Already watched the prologue on YT and it looks like genuine shit. Because it's a 30 Eur modder project.
>>747528229This just looks like the original game but with more vivid colors and some sort of screen filter
>>747528213theres no building missions at all?
>>747518261>>747518975Just search for the legacy WC3 and TFT installer. They're on the Hive workshop. You need a CD-Key to activate them.
>>747528508I don't know, but they have yet to show one off.
Is this campaign more like the Rexxar one?
>>747522368Many in the HotS fanbase had been complaining that Blizzard abandoned the game, but I was perfectly happy with HotS being forever preserved in a state when the games were still good. The worst thing that ever happened to WC3 was nuBlizz remembering it existed. I wouldn't be surprised if Whitemane and other sexy characters get censored someday.
>>747528229>>747527741>>747527304Final one>>747528439>This just looks like the original game but with more vivid colors and some sort of screen filterIts definitely also higher fidelity but yeah, I guess the original still just looks better than either reforge.
>>747527376>>747526194I downloaded this like 5 minutes and it just werks
>>747518261You can play the Legacy 1.29 version if you already have a copy or CD key of the original game, there is no need to buy Reforged.Source: I did this myself
>>747528636This is what ive been saying for a while, whilst everything is being ran into the ground. Overwatch & WoW shows where blizzard draws its line when it comes to any problematic content (it gets removed)
watching it on youtube instead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUc556XUGYc
>>747518469the campaign works ONLY in the new artstyle which is devilish.
WoW crack heads and fanboys will literally suck the shit out of blizzard'ss asshole. And because of them we all have to suffer, since blizzard can just print infinit money with their mmo fatnasy life simulator.You do not hate wowfags enough. They would let blizzard executives rape their wives in front of them and ask for more. And don't even get me started on the overcucks and diablturds. As long as we continue to let blizzard get away with preying on these weak people the worse it will get. The humiliation rituals will continue until we start taking ground from these "developers".
Does this campaign suffer from all the awful writing that plagued WoW
>>7475164301.26 for DotA1.29.2 for widescreen support.The latter is available on battle.net launcher
>>747517938jew
>>747517938why intentionally make that change though
>>747521010>>747521764>>747521970I feel kinda bad for these guys because they keep gambling their reputation for the hope that they can maybe influence Blizzard into not making another dogshit product. But Blizzard is beyond saving now.
My only complaint is that the unit portraits are very stiff.
>>747516706You play Half-Life with ping because you're connected to the internet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiXbtkWRKtM>Pay us 30 jewro for this hiveshit custom campaignNo, I don't think I will.
>>747529937What is saar trying to speech?
>>747529989hmm worked for aoe2 DE modder team
>>747530070aoe2's xpacs mogs this shitthis isn't even an rts campaign it's just rexxar's campaign: forsaken edition
>>747527210I don't know why people keep praising tomoraider's campaigns when his setpieces are just>survive this 100 food enemy attack wave>now do this again every 5 minutesAs if facing 2 enemy bases aren't enough, one of the map have you facing 7 different enemy bases at the same time
>>747515180I'm not gonna buy it, but will want to take this time to say how much WC3 meant to me as a teen. What a great game. I played thousands of hours of custom maps online and thought it was the coolest thing ever. Masterpiece of a game.
>>747530212the first 2012 hd release by mod team was also shit and an unplayable mess online, time will tell
>>747530212>it's just rexxar's campaign: forsaken editionit has different missions though I thought?
>>747530329tomo's been fucking up his campaigns with each subsequent update I don't understand why he gets praise either.
>>747530070>15 EUR AoE 2 DLC with 3 civs featuring campaigns (with actual RTS gameplay), unique units, unique castles and wondersversus>30 EUR for one WC3 campaign (that plays like shitty RPG maps because it is) and nothing elseGee wizz.
americucks force your corporate overlords to pay more taxes for fucks sake alreadythe only thing trickling down on you is their shareholders piss and their pajeet sheep's shit
>>747527079Why does she have Vegeta's hairline now?
>>747530421i'm watching a blizzdrone friend play the game. the first 4 missions are generic linear wc3 hero missions, you get like a couple of gimmicky "base missions" but they don't play like your usual RTS maps. one of them is a variation of risk.the forsaken campaign is primarily hero focused and has submaps you jump in and out of just like rexxar's
>>7475304691 civ in aoe2 is like 1-2 unique units and some number things like 10% more wood. :|
>>747530469aoe2 hd was not an dlc and also 30 bucks at launch?
>>747527079But the original model has manjaw.
>>747530643male
Redditors still justifying the exclusion of Ogres as a playable race because the armor wouldn't fit or it would look stupid when blizzard made a fat human race for one of it's retail expansionsWhy are blizzard so dead set on not giving the player base what they want and why are redditors such miserable sacks of meandering shit
>>747528028>In fact, it cuts against you.
>>747516651>An mmo without gaps need to show the whole way, and as long as it is understood that the world is actually bigger in the lore, then that's fine, because that means the scale of world you see in the mmo can change, but 95% of the players do not understand that anymore.so which is it? do you want instanced zones that make the game feel like a theme park, or a seamless world? you cannot have it both ways
>Campaign is about SylvanassFuck this
>>747531153I want it to be understood that the world is actually bigger in the lore, which it no longer is by even the writers.That level of quality is what Blizzard is at now.
>Blizzard specifically filed 66 H-1B LCAs in FY2025, with a median sponsored salary of ~$190K. In an industry where 33% of US developers have been laid off in the past two years and 2026 is tracking toward ~14,666 more cuts, that number is ammunition. have fun being replaced by h1bs, amerifags. the people of your nation of slave labor deserves everything it gets.the citizens of the usa should be ashamed at what theyre letting their rich get away with. Espeically when over 50% of your countries wealth is in the top 0.1% of your population.
>>747515180>"Cool, I haven't played WC3 in a hot minute">"I guess I'll download Reforged again after the absolute dogshit launch it had made me stop touching anything with Blizzard involved">"If it's good enough I might spend the money on buying the new campaign">SORRY CHUDDY! YOUR VPN IS MISCONFIGURED! ACCESS DENIED!>Oh and we removed any kind of offline functionality so your just shit out of luck here, better hope that support agrees to refund a game you bought in 2022!I don't even have a fucking VPN yet I can't start the fucking game no matter what I try, I hope this blizzcon had made B.net accounts increase in value since if I can't play the single game I still have some interest in then I might as well just sell the fucking account. It's been almost 5 fucking years and the game is still fucking broken
>>747515180Why couldnt they make campaign in outlands about how Illidan and Kael became evil? Would be cool...
>>747531741>how Illidan and Kael became evil?>Elf and elfThey have always been evil.
>>747530675That's more units that you get for WC3's 30 EUR dlc though?
>>747531260>Campaign about the forsaken being Sylvanas fan fictionWhat did you expect?
>>747518787Legend of Arkain>>747518943>Someone recommend me some fun orc campaign, so I can have campaigns for all 4 races.Look into the WC2 remake mods. I think one of them is basically an Orc campaign, and it's different from the WC2 maps.
>>747516085That looks fucking abominable.
Looks gross man. I can't quite place why. Colors are too vivid, grass looks bad.I'm also not over their move to own all custom user content. Fuck them
>>747532106>WC2 remake mods>cutscenes consist of yap yap yap yap yap yap yap>forced reforged graphicsNo
>we've reached the point people are happy to pay money for custom campaignsKnowing I supported this piece of shit company at one point is my biggest shame.
>>747531976aoe2 units and civs to me just felt like number tweaks. Then they change the civ name and add 1 voiceline per worker type.
>The New Campaign is like Rexxar's bonus campaign That was the best part of TFT for me so I'm pretty happy. Also Anya is cute.
>>747530070aoe2 was 15 dollars and had 3 new civs + 3 new campagins + good grafics.this is just one campaign with SHIT grafics
No playable NagaNo playable High ElvesNo playable OgresIt's another classic cvck retail tranny subversion
>buying nu-blizzard gamesif you do this you must kill yourself, you don't deserve to live anymore
what is gained from this
>>747515747Wait really? No way fag
Wait is this just a campaign and not a new playable faction
>>747533516Kill the 3rd party clients that had better matchmaking and features like livespectate.
>>747533581yep, you thought the DLC for a 23 year old game was gonna cost less than that? don't make me laugh and pay up goy!
>>747533770does that mean that ladder thingy everybody uses instead of the in-game one is dead too? wc3champions i think its called
>New tavern hero is basically "fuck you for playing UD"
>>747534292>and fuck you, the player
and they STILL haven't fixed Reforged graphics they just keep making new also shit graphics
>>747534218Yes. But they said that they could use blizzards servers to keep the matchmaking working, but I don't know what limits that imposes besides worse ping ofc.
>>747534292interesting thing is you can heal him by coiling
>>747531741>>747529248Acknowledging anything from WoW automatically makes the story and lore so much worse
>>747534610I wish Blizzard could just go back 1.29.2 and backport all the new shit for the World Editor. Don't do anything more than that beside bug fix.
>>747515180>ShartvanasNo. I don't think I will.
>>747535312shut up slav
>>747535536I'm pretty sure all slavs move on to dota 2 already.
>>747515180if you buy this, you are too retarded to live. You are incapable of learning and are not human by any stretch. Kill yourself.
>>747536062>all slavs move onsure bud
i was considering buying it until i saw the 30USD price taghow did they get away with it
>>747523785>pants on nelfI feel genuinely sorry that young guys aren't allowed to like erotic things
>>747525026Reminds me of their EoS gacha game
>>747533516keep the piggies in their pen. don't want them getting a little bit of extra freedom
>>747536404Because the modder team unironically costs more money to hire than the SEAmonkey studio that Blizzard outsourced to.
what kind of rifleman is this
>>747536965It's an easter egg :^)
>>747537015you don't say :^)
Man wtf we're at an impasse.>Support WoW ForeverExecs get paid and don't give a shit about what players want>Don't Support WoW ForeverExecs will say there is no market for a classic+ server, we tried.What the fuck do we do here?
>>747537183Nothing.
>>747536965Subtlety is dead
>>747537183What would the Amida Chuddha do? You know the answer. Namu Amida Chutsu.
>>747537183classic+ was a fucking trapIt's gonna slowly merge it back into retail overtime. We have already see this over time with simply classic.All of this is designed to push the genre of games away further and further from RTS (WarCraft 4 anyone).They already realize WoW is a bloated mess and are putting it on life supporter. But they can't escape it. So we will see this shit forever until the literal wheels come off the train.I think WarCraft, StarCraft and Diablo universes need a hard reset of their entire universes as everything possible has already been done and there is nothing less but a soft reboot.
Posts all the new icons and abilities
So why is World of Warcraft story is bad and Warcraft 3 story is good? I'm not really into it, I'd like to know how they ruined it.
>>747515180>Still have bunch of words on TOS because DOTALmao.
Oh, there's another, bigger Warcraft 3 thread. Okay, repostingCLASSIC
>>747516085Should genuinely sell Reforged on the app stores too at this point.
REFORGED
DEFINITIVE.Sorry about the archer being out of frame. A lot of unit assets are missing - like just about everyone from the campaign, except Uther and Arthas, who I presume appear in the new campaign. There's no Jaina or new naga models, for example.
>>747537835Reforged is kill ever since they added the clause where blizz owns your work if it ever becomes a hit like DOTA. Seriously they are greedy fucks.
so where is the steam release? I'm not downloading the shitty blizzard client.
>>747515180I still own and play the OG WC3/TFT, not the reforged version, if I need reforged to play the new campaign then I'll pass. I'm sure the day will come an rtsCHAD will take power, decanonize WoW and make Warcraft 4 for the people that actually matter instead of unwashed e-celebs
>>747537908Thanks for the comparison. Real shame about whitemane's thighs.
>>747517696I'm not those people
>>747537908jesus those sucubi ate a lot of men I guess
>>747537835I would beat my meat to these models but they don't look good for an RTS and lack stylization.>>747537908Better, can still beat my meat, and they look more stylized, but still too 'realistic' in proportions.
>>747537596Vanilla World of Warcraft has an amazing story. It not told like a film, but like a historic chronicle to be discovered. The worldbuilding in WoW is a lot more detailed than WC3.I recommend watching some of these videos to get a better appreciation for the vanilla WoW story.https://www.youtube.com/@Jediwarlock
>>747515856It's just +40 GB for a menu saar you have problems?
>>747515180>new graphics don't apply to WC3 / TFT campaignsbro how did they allow these ugly-ass "reforged" graphics to be released
>>747538597Why are Indians always imagined with tech? I would never trust any tech made by indians but indians have this stereotype with electronics i wonder why
>>747537908>Censor Whitemane's thighs>Literally everything else is the same?>Actually, reveal even MORE skin on the sorc???
Retail is still better.
>>747520479It's so uninspired. He looks like a regular unit, not a hero
>>747538740The pajeeta manager was present for the slideshow about the new campaign and got triggered at Whitemane's model. She was being distracted with treats for the rest of the development process, and thusly wasn't paying attention to the other models.
>>747520479TELL ME ABOUT ARTHAS!WHY IS HE WEARING A MASK?
>>747515747Niche question, but what if you got deforged through the old WC3 CD key?They allow me to download deforged using my CD key, but they never actually register the game in my battle.net account. How could I find out if I qualify for this if don't actually "own" deforged?
>>747538997I think you will have to register the CD-key on battle net now.
>>747539172Blizzard pulled a Minecraft and removed this option last year.
>>747518361i literally cracked your mom yesterday
CHARGING 30 BUCKS FOR AI SLOP SHOULD BE ILLEGAL
>>747539219Huh. Is that true? I guess you are fucked, then. That will be 30$ dollars plus 30$ for the new campaign plus tip, sir.
ive been watching 1-2 minutes of twitch streams regularly throughout the day since theres nothing on youtube yet and it does seem like most of the time its no base building with small unit counts just moving through dungeon type maps but maybe ive just gotten unlucky and only happened to watch those missions
>>747516085why do modern RTS's look like mobile slop
Garithos bros... Not like this... Not like this...
>>747539706Didn't he get eaten by ghouls?
>>747539706of course they would do this to him
>>747539706spoilers bro
>New RTS Campaign>Look inside>RPG trashhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdwAnTkeCbQBlizzard offices need to be Zyklon B'd immediately. Fucking vermin.
>>747540280This undead paladin guy is just a human with a scar.
>>747539706Garithos's backstory is surprisingly sympathetic for a guy you were meant to find annoying and unlikable.
ARE THE SKYBORNE COMING TO RETAIL??? I SEE A BUNCH OF THEIR COSMETICS AND MOUNTS ARE BUT I CAN'T FIND ANY INFORMATION ON EXCLUSIVITY
>>747539770>eaten by ghouls>except for the top half of his head>stitch him onto an abomination
>>747540280How do elf eyebrows works?
>>747542654how do english works?
>>747515180I bought
I guess this comes with my wow forever collectors edition, what am I in for?
>>747543393Did you ever play Warcraft 3 before? Same thing, but new campaign and an upgraded look for all non-campaign units.
