>CAN YOU BEAT X GAME WITHOUT USING A WALKTHROUGH And you people wonder why modern games treat you like retards
>>747518770In his defense aren't some game necessary locations hidden by walls that need to be blown open with zero indication that they can be at all?
OP hates people and is mad when someone does anything
>>747518770>CAN YOU BEAT X WITH THE WORST WEAPON/ABILITIES IN THE GAME!?!?!?!?>It turns into yet another No-Hit run, but takes substantially longer because the equipment is terrible
>>747518913People in 1987 were able to beat Zelda without any helpMaybe the newer generation is just low iq?
>>747518964Nah. Back then, we had the Power. And also, the playground.
>>747518946>CAN YOU BEAT X WITHOUT DOING Y?>"WELL UNFORTUNATELY, WE NEED TO DO Y FOR THESE FIRST FEW LEVELS, BUT TO MAKE THE CHALLENGE INTERESTING, LET'S JUST IGNORE THAT!"
>games that were bundled with guideskekky!
>>747518964A good chunk of the first issue of Nintendo Power is just a walkthrough of the game.
>>747518770Is it possible to like Zelda 1 if you didn't grow up with it? Not hating at all, im sort of impatient tbf.
>>747518770Lol try beating Metroid 2 right fucking now without a guide or the instruction book (not that it helps).
>>747519090>>747519034>we had the power>weNice try falseflagger, Nintendo Power didn't come out till the middle of 1988Again, kids in 1987 beat it with no help
>>747518964Not quite. Zelda 1 had a lot of help in the manual. If you try and beat it without you're kneecapping yourself for no real reason.
>>747519128That's a poor example, Metroid II is incredibly easy to beat without any maps or guides. There's only one way in and out of each area and the game tells you how many Metroids are left in said areas NES would've been a better example cause of how everything looks the same in that big ass map
>>747519204I still like the manual had a hint for the pols voice that only made sense for the Famicom.
>>747518770I don't think I beat a single game until age 14 and even before that I did use printed out walkthroughs sometimes.
>Encounter a section of a game I can't get past>If it's because of my skill level I try again later>If it's because the game is being unfair, I open up GameFAQs Simple as
>>747518770How does he see the enemies if he's blind
>>747518964>have dungeon map>huh doesnt look like theres any doors leading to that room...>maybe I should bomb a wall adjacent to it?I think in game hints tell you basically all the other secrets. I dont know why fags are so impatient that they think a guide is necessary for fucking NES games of all things.
>>747519506To be fair, there are a few NES games with cryptic bullshit (Milon's Shitty Asshole).
>>747519073That's the fastest way to get me to dislike, stop the video, remove from watch history, and report for being a faggot.
>>747519252Shoutouts to the top right of Kraid's lair which has no items or progression and three identical corridors that loop in on themselves.
>>747519323Based retard
>>747519614Or just normal, non-LARPing person.
>>747518770NES Zelda is pretty ass tho
>>747519073>>747519596For me it's if a video had any meme sound effects or TikTok shit in the first minute of the video.If you can't do a proper introduction of "Hey guys welcome to my video, this is what it's about" without throwing in shitty black memes and sound effects into it, you're not worth watching
>>747519506>have dungeon map>bomb all the walls to rooms that you haven't been in yet.>still no pathway>need to bomb into empty space that isn't shown on the mapI'm pretty sure there's an old man that gives a hint, but Zelda 1 was mean when it wanted to be. 2nd quest was even worse.
>>747519506there's no hint about the entrance of dungeon 8
>>747519158>kids in 1987 beat it with no helpA group of people that you are not apart of
>>747519506Nah, this is one of the few games with secrets that have no intuitive hints at all. They basically wanted you to find out either through their hotline or by some other outside source like hearing from your classmates,
>I SPENT 100 HOURS/DAYS/YEARS ON <GAME>>I PLAYED <GAME> FOR 100 DAYS
>>747518770Kids these days are just stupid. They can't read. They can't pay attention. They forget important details immediately. They have no tolerance for frustration. They have no imagination. No curiosity. It's pathetic to look. I'm embarrassed.
>>747518770we 100% shared tips on the playground to get through LoZ back in the day
>>747519994>apart ofIt's "a part of"
>>747520175You say that but I remember my younger brother who was a Contra fanatic getting filtered hard when I showed him Sam & Max: Hit the Road.
>>747520232Whatever
>>747519323Me either. I fucking sucked ass at video games. My friends would come over and we'd play single player games "together" which amounted to I play and they give me hints when I get stuck.
>I'm stuck at this video game>should I autistically brute force it for sixty hours to reach the credits?>nah I'll just call Billy and go play football with him
>>747520175>>747520281This. People who are good at retro games tend to be dogshit at other games, like FPSes or Soulslikes or hack n slashes. We all excel at different types of games; it's rare to find someone who's good at everything. Kind of like how, in school, most people are either STEM-minded or liberal arts-minded and never both
>>747519158>>747519994Also people back then took years to "pass" games if they ever did. Don't assume gamers back then were all high IQ and beat every game the first week they came out.
>>747519323I think you are retarded. >>747520515Are you calling Sam and Max new, you stupid fuck? Also, they weren't "retro" game back them. They were just games. His brother is retarded.
100% would be pretty impressive, just due to all the bullshit bombable walls. Fuck wizrobes by the way.
>>747519106the gameboy and SNES games were major improvements just play those
>>747520581Just because you can beat one type of game doesn't mean you can beat them all. I'm an RTS and Point & Click nerd, but my brother still kicks my ass with co-op shooters and fighting games.
>>747520571I miss when I used to play the same game for years and not get bored from it
>>747520592100% Zelda 1 is easy as fuck. The game only has like 5 hearts outside the dungeons. That's it. No more collectables.
>>747520581I got top grades in school through high school. I just wasn't an autistic shut in loser like the subhuman filth that populate this dead board.
>>747520581>Are you calling Sam and Max new, you stupid fuck?I guess I should've specified retro side-scrolling platformers. I'm just saying people who grew up on shit like Mario and Mega Man tend to be dogshit at Doom and Tomb Raider, in my experience
>>747520705What a stupid non-point that has nothing to do with the theme of the thread. >>747520771There it is. You just suck at video games.>>747520789>People that don't play /genre/ is bad at /genre/This board is populated by fucking retards. No wonder you people need yellow paint so badly.
>>747520881Jesus Christ your posts reek of insecure overcompensating depression. I grew out of your shit when I was like 13. Stable people don't talk the way you do. Fix it, cunt
>>747518964Because there were kids with nothing else to play and even then it took months?
>>747520739I include finding all secrets rooms to be a condition for 100%. Second quest as well.
>>747519106Zelda 1 is surprisingly snappy and easy to sequence break.Just give it a try, read through the original manual for the basics and just go.
>>747520993You are the insecure one>Hurrr well I was busy playing outside and getting good grades for your silly video games so I don't care that I suck at them but I really really really want you to respect me
>>747518913Can you really call yourself a true gamer if you go through a dungeon without running into and attacking every wall in a dungeon when you get stuck.
>>747519979Is that the weird bush that stands out?
>>747520881>Haha, zoomers are so stupid!! They need guides to play Zelda because they grew up playing COD and Halo!>Yeah it kinda reminds me of how older millennials who grew up with Mario and Mega Man suck at Doom and Tomb Raider. We all have different specialties I guess>UHH YEAH NO SHIT RETARD YELLOW PAINT MUCH??I'm like 80% sure you're an outrage bot, because not even a jeet could be this retarded
>>747519994they underestimate how many oldfags are still here
>>747521325>Yeah it kinda reminds me of how older millennials who grew up with Mario and Mega Man suck at Doom and Tomb Raider. We all have different specialties I guess>Anon doesn't know the meaning of "anecdotal data>Anon thinks his everyone is like that>Anon is a complete fucking retard.>Anon's point still has nothing to do with the theme of the thread>But Anon can not lose izzat so he will keep posting
>>747518770Ok, shill me some challenge channels. I can rewatch Seer's videos only so many times.
>>747518913The indication is an empty suspicious space on the map. Requires thought, though.
>>747519128I rented it in 7th grade and beat it within two days without a guide.
>>747519106It holds up very well for its time if you're even slightly curious and observant. As anon already said, you should read the instruction manual, but other than that it ought to be easy enough.There's a certain kind of person who can't stand ever actually exploring anything, and needs to be guided as quickly as possible between "achievement" moments or they sperg out. If that's you, then you will hate it.
>>747518770They came with strategy guides necessary to get past certain points zoom zoom
>>747521517So what is the theme of the thread then?
>>747519703Not really.
>>747519106People were just generally more patient back then and more excited to be in an alternate world and just "be there" as opposed to our modern mindset of trying to complete the corporate mandated obstacle™ that has board room approved levels of challenge™ for women and journalists of ages 16-35 to make sure the mechanics are not outdated™, with HR making sure that approved accessibility™ maximizes revenue.Check out this game. Might & Magic Book 1: Secret of the Inner Sanctum. If you look at the manual and box and advertising, the game actually doesn't really mention what the game is supposed to be "about." It tells you it has 55 different areas for you to crawl through, majestic deserts, different towns, sidequests, hundreds of monsters to fight. It comes with a giant map of the overworld with places for you to go to and explore. It gives you detailed instructions on how to "recruit" new party members, etc. And it doesn't even really mention what your main plot line is, other than the subtitle is "Secret of the Inner Sanctum", implying there is an "inner sanctum" (whatever the fuck that is) and a secret there, but it doesn't even tell if you if you need to discover it or if it's important or not or what it could look like. You don't even really know that's the main quest until you read the clue book pushed out a year later, and even then, it's still just "Oh yeah, you need to find the secret of the inner sanctum", and then that's just it until you read the walkthrough for the final two areas of the game.Some games weren't meant for you to solve. They were there for you to chill out in and go on adventure.Course, now we mandate that to VR and MMOs, but still. Back then we didn't really have a lot of those, and MMOs now are kinda...gay.
>>747521758The new generation and how they suck at video games.
Are there any "Can I beat [game] without [x mechanic]" videos that are actually good and interesting to watch?
>>747520592The fuck are you talking about? That's maybe a big accomplishment when you are a kid.
>>747519106Yes, it's a fantastic game. It's essentially NES BOTW with actual dungeons; go out, stumble around, find some items and secrets, etc.People who say it's cryptic are retarded. The burnable bushes/bombable walls are almost always in intuitively obvious locations and are rarely required for progress (2nd quest does, however. Hence why it's a post-game hard mode). Also it becomes simple when you learn there's only ever 1 secret entrance per-screen (IIRC the manual outright says this).It's a classic for a reason. Just put a few hours into a dedicated session and you'll have fun. Treat it like you just bought a brand new $60 AAA game you're excited to play. Most people's experience is messing around with it for 15 minutes on an emulator, getting filtered because they barely tried, and dropping it before they learn how to actually play the fucking game. It's really not complicated or cryptic, just approach it earnestly.>t. 97 zoomer who beat it without a guide recently
>>747519506>For NES games of all thingsNIGGER NES GAMES ARE KNOWN FOR OBTUSE BULLSHIT WHAT DO MEAN?????
>>747521896Okay, awesome... And I'm countering that it's a universal quality of all people, regardless of generation, that they're not gonna excel in games that... they don't excel in. Are we still following along, dipshit? Do you need me to slow down for you?
>>747521859Good post. Reinstalling Kenshi.
>>747521325You sound ass mad that you, as an adult, can't do something that children could do 40 years ago.
>>747519106Games don't age. Zelda 1 is just as good today than it was 40 years ago. Just try them. They are really good.
>>747522021no i beat all of them as a fetus and also im a billionaire right now and my uncle works at nintendo.
>>747521932ZERO's Resident Evil games without running videos are pretty good
>>747519034Only fairly spoiled fags had access to Nintendo Power or prima game guides on the regular and plenty of people without them got through the original Zelda [or OoT since I've been seeing fags unironically claim that OoT was "too oblique" elsewhere on the net].
>>747522063You are either lying or completely delusional. Let's hope it's the former.
>>747522040They don't excel at any game you fucking retard. Also your brother is old as fuck. He's not relevant. We were different back then. It's not the same. Your point remains irrelevant like your father figure while you were growing up.
>>747522021What is obtuse about Super Mario Bros 3. I'm waiting.
>>747522063Not really. Kids are nolifers. They can afford to spend all their free time on a single video-game, because they have nothing better to do than master the one game that their parents will allow them to have. Does it make you mad that a kid would destroy you in CoD? No, of course not. If anything, that only affirms my superiority as an adult
>>747521859Might and Magic was an outstanding game. It isn't hard without a guide if you take notes and have some patience. It isn't a big game. I finished it about a year ago without a guide.
>>747521932No
>>747522202I'd say a lot of zoomers excel at Soulslikes. If they don't excel at Soulslikes who do? Millennials? Not the brother anon btw
>>747522403Soulslike are easy as fuck. I excel at them and I'm old as fuck. I easily made a level 1 character in Dark Souls 1 to troll newfags.
>>747522505lmao, lots to unpack here
>>747522505What is an example of a difficult game then?
>>747521101I do this with every wall I ever encounter when I play a metroidvania if I know it has unmarked breakable walls because why wouldn't you? That's the way you have to play Silksong if you don't use a walkthrough and expect to find everything.
>>747518770My Dad beat Zelda 1 as a 10 year old with no help, but that's like his best gaming achievement ever. Actually, now that I think about it, he did all gold stakes on Balatro too.
>>747522628Unpack my dick in your mouth. >>747522636Ninja Gaiden 1, 2, 3 for the NES.
>>747518770kek he failed and had to look up how to beat ganon.
>>747521325>zoomers>cod and haloThose are late millennials. Zoomers grew up with Zoomblox, Zoomnite, and Zoomcraft and still play that gay shit.
>>747518946>can you beat X RPG without X,Y,Z?>turns out if you spend 500 hours grinding to level 99 then yes, it is possible
>>747518770Zelda 1 had half the game spoiled in it's manual. That one was designed to have a look up to understand shit like breakable walls that look the same as every other one.
>>747522290I'm good at old games and modern games. I also don't get mad when somone is better at a game than I am, no matter their age.
>>747522308I have an absolute blast with it. So much so, that I got my (digital) map I made of the overworld printed out and hung it on my wall. The thing that surprises me the most about it is how much of a conversation starter it's become. I thought most people would ignore it.
>>747522732Retard. Do you not remember hearing all those squeakers on Xbox Live in 2009? Do you think those were millennials? They were zoomers, dumbass
>>747522779You are asking Zoomers to read. Might as well ask a rock to bleed.
>>747522636They're all shit. Games designed to be brutally hard are boring shit, souls is popular because any retard can and will find their weapon or spell or setup that lets them trivialize it to a manageable extent.The people who do retarded shit like Level 1 Consort Radahn parry only with dagger shit are retards and they all suck at life. RPGs are made to be broken, that's what's fun about tthem. Straight action super hard games died for a reason.
>>747522779Most games before the N64 were like this really. They weren't going to waste valuable time on tutorials when the written word could do just fine (back when we knew how to read of course)
>>747522709Nioh is approaching the difficulty of those old Ninja Gaiden games
>>747519073For me it was a video some retard was trying to beat the game before the laptop's battery dying where he just went to do a side activity completely unrelated to the game's story for almost an hour before getting back to it
>CAN YOU GET TO MAX LEVEL WITHOUT LEAVING THE TUTORIAL >YES YOU JUST HAVE TO TELEPORT TO ALL THE DLCs AND FARM THIS AREA FOR 40 HOURS THEN GO BACK TO THE TUTORIAL
>>747518964Most people never beat all of their games back then
>>747518770I had to call the hotline for OoT.
>>747519073I've never understood this complaint. What the fuck do you want him to do? Reprogram the game? It's called a minimalist run, dipshits
>>747522285The fluteThe background trickThe secret toadhouseThe secret shipThat one p-switch dungeon labyrinth
>>747523067>The secrets (most of them in the manual)Really?
>>747518770I don't get the stigma of using guides anyway. You could read all sorts of pages on beating Mike Tyson, but until you actually play the Dream Fight you really have no idea what you're up against.There are a few genres that can be cheesed with guides (point and click adventure games) but Zelda's not one of them.
>>747523067>That one p-switch dungeon labyrinthNeed more yellow paint, baby?
>>747518770they literally had a hotline, magazines and strategy guides to help you if you got stuck back in the day
>>747518770Zoomers have to hit the perfect social interaction to not get reported to HR for conversations at work.They'll google quest results to get the best outcome in cyberpunk or skyrim.Conditioned that way unc
>>747523190>What is obtuse about Super Mario Bros 3. I'm waiting.Your words, and isnt a manual just a physical tutorial? Is it that much better than a digital one?>>747523254No because i like puzzles but it is obtuse.
>>747522856Brother how hard were you filtered LMAO
>>747523374Anon, just stop. You are trying too hard. Go outside, touch some grass. It's okay to get rekt on the internet. It won't lower your izzat too much.
>>747522856you think souls is brutally hard? lol, lmao even.
>>747523242>I need a guide for games made for children.
>>747523483No retard, the fact they can be so easily broken by even an actual retard is why its good. Its good because you can break it and rape it sideways. Old Nintendo hard style games died out for a reason.
>>747523465Rekt? How?
>>747518770Lemme guess, you need more?
>>747523601This confuses and enrages the zoomer.
>>747523601>using manualsCasual.
>>747523594>Old Nintendo hard style games died out for a reason.Because kids these days are pathetic.
>>747518770>manuals>magazines>gamer help lineshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pW3mnS3H0g
>>747523679>he didn't read the instruction manual on the car ride homeI feel only pity for you. You didn't have a proper childhood.
>>747523726No its just because theyre shit. Thats the reality of it. Games like From Soft souls completely dominated that space because theyre fun to break open and it trivializes it. People like breaking their toys, they don't like it when the toy is designed to only break them instead. Im right.
>>747523791Those were for rich kids.
>>747523642Zoomers have the Windkwater + Oot/MQ anniversary edition for the game cube
>>747519979It's one of the most obvious trees on the overworld, and the previous dungeon just gave you an infinite-use candle.
>>747523807Me and my older brother always did this. He would look at it first and then pass it to me, fucking kino.
>>747523860the poor ones didn't have a Nintendo
>>747523858>No its just because theyre shit.Your entire generation is shit. Your generation is currently crying because Ocarina of Time is too difficult. Fucking Ocarina of Time, a game that was called way too hand-holding when it was release. It's embarrassing to see.
>>747523232its possible to beat the game without X, but having X makes the game a far more enjoyable experience
>>747523902They did. Just they only got a couple of games for it.
>>747523997kek, zoomer hands wrote this post
>>747523931No one is crying except you lmfaoWE GOT A BADASS OVER HERE GUYS, HE BEAT THE ORIGINAL OCARINA OF TIME!!!
>>747521629ThisNintendo are great at level design which draws your attention to secrets with clues, but some people are just too stupid and unfortunately they're the ones who dictate the standard. It was different in the '80s and '90s because most gamers were nerds with a brain. Now it's full of too many normies and tourists who want games to 'respect their time' so they can just hold up while the background changes.
>>747523931List of millennial accomplishments:
>>747523865>game cubeThat's millennial slop.Zoomerslop is late wii onwards.
>>747524062>HE BEAT THE ORIGINAL OCARINA OF TIME!!!More than you can do.
Man I was just a retarded kid and happy to just click the cartridge into the console and then dick around for however long.
Actually Interesting Tier:>Can you beat X without using (integral mechanic)? >Can you progress X without doing (completely necessary or so you thought thing)? Hm I May Watch This Tier: >Can you do (impossible seeming thing) in X?>Can you beat game without collecting (items supposedly needed to progress)? >No the whole game couldn't be beaten but how many stages CAN be beaten with (the gimmick)? Of Course You Fucking Can Tier:>Can you do (perfectly possibly but difficult thing) in X? >Can you do (stupid tedious thing that is stupid and tedious but doesn't prevent progress) in X? >Can you beat (Pokemon game) using only (Pokemon)?Automatic Disqualifications:>Everything revolves around using exploits/bugs/glitches (no shit, practically anything is possible now).>Method in which something is accomplished is clearly outside the scope of the limits of the question supposedly binding the challenge. >"We're going to have to skip this part, it's unfortunately not possible." >"Before we begin, I will need to lay down some special exceptions..."
>>747524102>List of millennialMillennials are children. You babies really have no idea actual adults also lurk this site.>>747524061Nigger they got one game on their birthday and one game on Christmas (if they were lucky). I literally was poor and lived in the poorest area. I was there. I mean, back them we had both parents, so maybe that's why you are confused. Your entire generation was raised by single mothers LMAO
>>747524151Except I did! The game didnt stop existing after it came out unc.
>>747524206>Actually Interesting Tier:>>Can you beat X without using (integral mechanic)?>>Can you progress X without doing (completely necessary or so you thought thing)?Correction>Actually Interesting Tier:>Can you beat X without using (integral mechanic) without allowing exceptions?>Can you progress X without doing (completely necessary or so you thought thing) and without allowing exceptions?Automatic Disqualifications:>Can you beat X without using (integral mechanic)? (No I can't and I will just use it then skip to the next part).>Can you progress X without doing (completely necessary or so you thought thing)? (Usually no and there's plenty exceptions where I'm forced to use it).
>>747524282Sure you did, baby. How many save-states and rewinds did you use? You had a guide open the whole time, too. Wait, you can't read. It was a youtube video.
>>747518770LoZ had a bunch of tiles that need to be interacted with with no visual cue. There’s a middleground between that and three separate indicators you need to interact with something 6 meters ahead of you.
>>747524369>ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO DEFEAT OCARINA OF TIME UNLESS YOU POSSESS MY ANCIENT WISDOM AND WARRIOR SKILLpftahahahahaWhat a loser
>>747524143Born 99 and given the game boy colour, then into the gamecube. Got sonic heroes for passing my very first spelling test at school in 2004. Got the WII and a spyro game much later
>>747520340esl
>>747518770I recently beat it blind, although I did review the manual so maybe that was cheating? It basically tells you how to complete 1/4 the game and gives small hints on where to go next. But from that info alone, it's more than enough to complete the rest of it. Sure, I was a little lost finding the last two dungeons, but overall it was fine.
>>747524439Yep, you used save-states and rewinds. You make me sick. You didn't beat the game btw.
>>747524340You forgot the shit tier one where the challenge stops being relevant 5 minutes into the video and it's just them playing the game normally, e.g. every "Can I beat X starting with NOTHING" type of video.
>>747524187FUCKING CASUALS
>>747524548No, reading the manual is not cheating. It was expected back then.
>>747518913Only mandatory objective hidden behind a title are dungeon 8th & 9th. With 8th connected to shortcut & 9th is hinted at. Everything else hidden is optional. My first playthrough blind I've only missed two hearts, (we all know which ones I'm referring too), which is not needed to get the best sword. Honestly surprised how intuitive majority of the secrets were after years of hearing how obtuse it was. As a retarded children I understand, but anyone above the age of 12 should be fine. Second Quest is bullshit hard thought.
>>747524187The most based gamer ITT.
>>747524474ESL.*
>CAN YOU BEAT X WITHOUT DOING Y?>female attention bait thumbnail>I Played Every Game in X franchise and IT BROKE ME/IS INSANE>The History of Game Series (twenty minutes long, you know they aren't actually saying anything informative)>Video Essay of Game That's Padded Out with Gay Anecdotes of Channel's Childhood (14 hours long)Do Not Recommend VideoDo Not Recommend ChannelBlock VideoBlock Channel Simple as.
Can you beat BINGLE BONG without BINGLING!? hey whats up youtube its ya boy nerdbeard and today and you know bingle bong was a great game from the nineties but can you beat it without bingling even once? well let's tryokay stage one, heh, quite easy to do without bingling okay stage two let's put a pin in this one, we'll come back to itstage three, I need to make an exception here, I mean you HAVE to bingle here it's basically like a key and door situationstage four okay we only need to bingle twicestage five okay I played through this SO many times (save state 5 loaded shows for 0.2 seconds in the corner) and okay I managed to cut it down to only seven bingles and finally stage six, I mean you have to bingle to defeat the final boss that's the whole point so overall you CAN beat bingle bongle without bingling. well not much anyway. don't forget to smash that bell and let me know in the comments which challenge you'd like me to take on next!
>>747523679They were included with the games for a fucking reason you dolt.
>>747518964Genuine NES games came inside of a box with manuals and maps. Nobody follow the cryptic text of the Old man.
>[GAME] BROKE ME
>The fall of [video game series] needs to be studied>[video game quest] is morally impossible>Weird/odd places in [video game]>There are [number] of inns in [video game], I ranked all of them>Do [video game]'s rivers lead anywhere?
>Can you beat game without essential item/mechanic?>Skip to 20 minute mark>Turns out, no!
Gamechamp was jewtuber who maded fun challenge runs. Wonder how he is doing now?
>>747524187Same. Shit didn't work half the time so when the console would actually read the cartridge, I was excited enough to see the game functioning.
>>747524790>female attention bait thumbnailwhat does this look like exactly?
>>747525142This has been used so much that I don't even actually understand what the fuck it means anymore. What the fuck do you mean it "broke" you? Like you took massive, crippling depression that threatens suicide because you played this game? Do you mean you lost your job because of it? You lost your friend? Or do you just mean you shat a brick like once or twice and then got the fuck over it? What are you even talking about?
>My fans forced to play /one of the best games ever made/
Instruction booklets were a lot more useful than ones from the past decade.
Man, the manual for Mario 3 was awesome. It was colorful and filled with cool images. We don't get stuff like that anymore. Instead they spam the game with tutorials that could have been a couple of lines in old manuals.
>>747518770>>747518964Why do people just completely forget about the existence of manuals and how a large chunk of the reason games were able to get away with being super vague was because they expected people to read?
>>747518964the game industry ran on selling walkthrough guides and tips for games across the globe. the games were made to be as obtuse as possible
>>747526252>the game industry ran on selling walkthrough guides and tips for games across the globe. the games were made to be as obtuse as possibleSource?
>>747525725Bald man, with a massive beard.
>>747526223A general promotion and celebration of ignorance in the public.
games are for kids. kids go to kindergarten or school where they talk to other kids. games don't exist in a vacuum. it's a built in metanarrative quality of good games to rely on shared community knowledge.
>>747525393>who maded
>>747525747The game lifted me up into the air and broke my spine over it's knee. I am now in a wheelchair.
>Check Zelda manual. >It spells out and reveals multiple secrets because the devs had no faith in players finding them by themselves.>Check Final Fantasy manual>More emphasis is placed on how to make basic progress through the game because the devs had no faith in the players. Stats/Attributes are never discussed unlike the TTRPGS manuals that preceeded them. (because they were broke and bugged as shit.)>MEANWHILE>Look at Adventures of Lolo Manual.>It just explains the basic rules of the game but doesn't give you the solution to any of the puzzles. You can infer the rules from the gameplay itself just fine.
>>747520449Yes we know the sucks at video games -> normalfag pipeline.
>>747518964Manuals, magazines, printed guides and who can forget: THE NINTENDO HOTLINE.
>>747520340It's "what ever"
>>747526948Whatever.
>>747526852>THE NINTENDO HOTLINE.The man who answered my dumbass questions is probably 60 years or older now, Jesus fucking Christ.
>>747518770>CAN YOU BEAT X GAME WITHOUT A DICKlet me know OP
>>747521048No one cares about your arbitrary autistic conditions
>>747522943>can you grind to max level before leaving the first area>yes but I'm using a cheat code to do it because otherwise I couldn't record this video in a timely matter, haha
>>747521980>It's essentially NES BOTWIdiots still parroting this shit 9 (NINE) years later. Hacknuma poisoned the fanbase.
>>747519158
>>747518770Why do people think that long video = good video?This could easily be 10 minutes.
>>747527254you didn't complete the game
>>747525243I mean, you got the answer though.
>Can you beat the game using only [overpowered weapon]?>Can you beat Pokemon with only [OU/Uber tier Mon]?>Can you beat the game at max level?
>>747524548Reading the manual is fair game
>>747519106peoples standards for games have definitely changed. a quarter munching arcade game today would be seen as fucking awful, whereas back then you really didnt have much else. most of the popular NES games are pretty good still though. the worst they and many other games in that era get is just having an annoyingly tedious section or requiring you to hit a random wall to progress which is basically 80% of the first few metroid games until they realized that shit is fucking gay
>>747518770Walkthroughs and gaming magazines with protips were honestly so ubiquitous i'm not sure which NES/SNES games I've beaten without one if any.>>747524678You want to know what's bullshit. As a kid I didn't read the story or manual at all so i just named my character Zelda because that was the name of the game. Little wonder I got frustrated and gave up (I was 5).
>>747528487Oh man, playing the first Metroid without a map is pure suffering lmao
>>747527586who?
>>747520175who is teaching them
>>747528723Women and men who pretend to be women and homosexuals. All scum that should not be allowed to be near a school.
>>747524206I saw a video called "Can you beat Baldur's Gate 3 using only Telekenesis?"I didn't click it but given how integral barrelmancy is for every larian speedrun, I assume the answer is yes.
>>747528804That seems unlikely to be true, culture warrior.
>>747528852Are we just ignoring reality now? Because the educational system is the wokest, gayest institution on this earth.
>>747518770Seer's are the only ones that interest me since he isn't afraid to stretch shit to the impossible and say "yeah no I can't do this shit but you just watched me suffer for like an hour"
>>747528623All 448,682 of the people who watched this and made it to the end of the video
>>747518770>1 video gives you 4000 people who will watch your next thingWell anon, why don't you buy a microphone, find a closet, and make some videos?
>>747518964zelda 1 is literally engrish, the translation is total dogshitkids were reading the guide in the back
>>747524789Just take the L, anon. It isn't a big deal.
>>747529024FFV without the pause menu is one of the most impressive vidya accomplishments I've ever seen.I think he can be excused for not being able to avoid literally every health pickup in Doom 2.
>can you beat a yakuza game by spamming tiger drop?gee I fucking wonder
>>>/twatter/
Post the worst video game challenge video you have seen.
>video essay on some ancient forum drama about some literal who game I will never play
I know this is a bait generational seethe thread but I quite enjoy playing older games blind. I really enjoy "figuring out" what to do in games. Stuff like King's Field or other classic RPGs
>>747529578it's >>>/x/itter actually, xaar
>>747529192lmao he couldn't find the silver arrow and never uploaded anything again.
>>747518770I beat this game when I was around 5 years old, no guide and I couldn't even read English (not my language). But then again, I'm a gaming prodigy, so I'm kinda special I suppose.
>>747529579Can you beat The Last of Us 2 while being buttfucked? It's amazing how many people on his comments did the same thing without even knowing it was a challenge.
>>747527586The problem isn't that "This could have been an email", the problem is that the video is labeled as a question, which makes you expect it to give you the bullet points and move on, and in actuality had no intentions of exploring the question or premise, and is just really them posting an elongated blog/review of the game and journaling their thoughts.They're tricking you into reading the world's gayest diary.
>>747529579Honestly it's not that bad because you do have to do some shenanigans to GET telekenesis but it's like asking if you can beat doom using only the BFG9000. It's a level 5 spell you better be able to beat the game with it.
>>747529659
>>747518964>without any helpIs Nintendo Power a fucking joke to you?
I managed to beat baba is you without help the biggest mental hurdle was anything that dealt with text stacking
games were a communal schoolyard thingor something you spent months on
>>747518770I did it like 4 years ago. People just can't stand a bit of friction
>>747518770Ok just for the record, some games like La-Mulana blind and without a walkthough is actual cancer compared to most other games.
>>747523040Then they should change the title of the video to "What's the least amount of times you have to do Y to beat X?"
>thread is about how gay and formulaic youtube videos are>Turns into generational faggotryI hate the modern internet
>>747518770I beat Zelda as a 5 year old. It’s just sad that people need guides to beat it today.
>>747519106Up to what I've done, it is genuinely better at creating a sensation of discovery than adventure than many of its successor. The Binding of Isaac wishes it got me as curious to discover all its secret as the Zelda on the NES does. Avoid using guides and if you do, keep them at minimum on limit yourself to things in the manual.
>>747530467You fell for the oldest blunder in the book! You made a thread with an image more interesting than the topic you wanted to discuss.
>>747523040END THE RUN, FAGGOT.
>>747519073This is why YMFAH is the GOAT. Whatever retarded challenge he comes up with, he'll do it with no compromises.
>>747518770>mfw I beat Zelda at 7 when there weren’t anything even remotely resembling a guide that was easily accessible
>>747521101No ones a real gamer unless they can beat wizadry 4 without a guide
>>747528487>a quarter munching arcade game today would be seen as fucking awful, whereas back then you really didnt have much elsein other words, people's standards had changed for the worse.I'd rather take a "quarter muncher" arcade game from the 80's like Ms. Pac-Man, Donkey Kong or Frogger over the vast majority of AAA games release in the last fifteen years. They actually give me the immediate fun and challenge I'm looking for without excuses. And it was cheaper and easier to spot when they weren't worth my time by playing it compared to 70 dollar cinematic slop that only "gets good" after the 100th hour.
>>747531217Okay, let's calm down now. No need to go crazy.
For me it's this fucking "Yes...The Developers KNEW you would try this" or "Whoever wrote this line deserves a raise" clickbait videos
>>747530265La-Mulana was pretty decent until you reach that one area with a bunch of invisible walls and teleporters. At that point the devs were just being malicious on purpose.
>>747531567To be fair Astarion's reaction to being blown up was actually oscar worthy. And before you say I'm exaggerating consider where the bar for that actually is.
>>747529659it's nice until the game expects you to smash your head against a wall to find obscurities to progress like Metroid wanting you to fall through fake lava or quicksand
>>747527586The crazy part is 33 minutes seems like a short video to me now after retards started throwing out MULTI HOUR VIDEO ESSAYSReminder Sonic CD takes like 2 hours to beat. You can beat it 3 times and fuck around for a bit before the video would ever finish
>>747531683>Reminder Sonic CD takes like 2 hours to beatNot even that, its like 30 minutes, maybe an extra 20 if your going for good ending via time travel and not time stones
>>747518770>watch the video>finds the heart that's burning a random tree on one screen>"Oh yeah! This is the one thing I remember from an old commercial or something!"These videos scream bullshit
>>747523807If I tried that, I'd vomit everywhere.
>>747531664I was referring to these videos I usually get in my related
>>747518964Agreed. Just look at SAT tests. The standard has been lowered to commentate the dumber generations.
>>747529487It was amazingly entertaining especially since he didn't have encyclopedic knowledge of the game going in. The mystic quest one while not really impressive or anything was funny
>>747532067>watch the videorookie mistake
>>747529579Worst as in obnoxious or worst as in pointless? I think the pokemon ditto ones, while small potatoes still, is simply fucking annoying
>>747524369Not him but I don't think the decomp has save states or rewinding.
>>747526252Mostly that was for PC games which had issues with piracy. For one of the Leisure Suit Larry games Sierra sold more tip books than they did copies.>>747523546Children have near-unlimited time on their hands.
>>747531683Even if you went for 100%, the video would still be longer than the average player's playtime.And then people accuse MauLer of over-extending the topic of his videos, when his Outlaws analysis only last a third of what it would take to 100% complete it.
I will NOT watch your video if any of the following applies>shitty clickbait thumbnail>video is over an hour longOR IF IN THE FIRST MINUTE I HEARD ANY OF THESE >a shitty black Twitter/tiktok meme or a pic of that ishowspeed guy >any vine boom sound effect occurs >the video starts off with a snippet of you doing something unfunny and laughing as hard as possible before cutting to the intro >tranny voice>The YouTuber voice (you know the one)>an ad or sponsor >"remember to like and subscribe!"
>>747518964Boomerfag so senile he already forgot about manuals
>>747519106>gifkek
>>747527586It depends on the subject but mostly videos that are over an hour long have some form of repetition
>>747518770>oldchuds had the Nintendo Hotline if they struggled with a game>newfags have Google if they struggle with a gameThings never change huh? By the way, the Nintendo Hotline was established in 1987 and ended in 2005.
>>747528167>>Can you beat the game at max level?It would be slightly interesting if, say, there were times when enemies could still fight back decently well and the OP had to play the whole game without healing.But odds are that being at max level just reduced the game to ezshit and even such a restriction wouldn't matter until the final level.
>>747533243>implying zoomies know how to google
>>747531683>I need to mention my childhood>I need to contradict my title and tell you about the flaws>I need to talk about all of these games that aren't CDNO THANKS
>>747532563I don't really mind if a video last a lot, as long as the title is kept as basic as possible (Game - Type of video/Section) and the thumbnail tells me that the guy knows what he's talking about. Sadly 99% of content creators do neither, which is why I generally stopped watching reviews unless they get recommended to me by people whom I trust.
>>747518770Second quest filtered me hard. I remember giving up and cheating by looking at a map with markers, seeing an entrance that was through a rock face behind a river, so you had to use the stepladder to stand on the water and bomb the wall. I thought, YEAH I wasn't going to figure that out.
>>747534000Dude should've just make separate videos for most of those topics. I get it if he compares CD to the previous entries in the franchise to see how it evolves, but what's the point of bringing up subsequent entries?It reminds me of Creetosis whenever he brings later Bethesda Fallout entries and the TV Show in his Fallout 3 analysis.
zoomies coping, making excuses and blaming others for their own shortcomings never stops being funny and pathetic>low attention span>need shiny jingling keys in his face at all times>everything has to be painted yellow or have fart trails>refusal or inability to think outside of the box>can't make his own character builds, have to find the most broken shit meta online (then calls the game easy because someone else "solved" it for them)>can't beat simple games without savestates, guides or forum/pisscord help>having to do half a level again or god forbid the entire level makes him throw a tantrum and piss and shit himself
>>747534000The last 3 hours aren't even about CD wtf
>>747518964>People in 1987 were able to beat Zelda without any helpIt was called the recess and lunchtime. We talked and helped each other out....
>>747518770Games up until the PS3 era come with a paperback manual.
>>747535004>WeYou are 19
>>747534964When it comes to the fifth point, I think that heavily depends. If the best build in a game is insultingly apparent by itself, you might have to make some changes so it takes times to figure out. Nonetheless, I do believe the most optimal way to play a game should also be the most skill-based. Most people are lazy and tend to choose to spend the least amount of effort for the most amount of reward.
>>747523465>Accusing someone else of trying too hard and caring too much about internet arguments and then saying you "rekt" them unironically (also calling them Indian)Pot kettle etc.
>>747518964Didn't the Zelda 1 manual have a map of the game that was like 75% filled out or something? People weren't playing games blind back then
>>747528723>The teaching industry is in a great spot right now and needs no changes!???When a job has bottom of the barrel pay and requires you to martyr yourself, what type of person do you think that attracts? Just look at 4chan janitors if you want an example.
>>747518913Every single thing that was hidden had a hint to it. You could argue the hint was bullshit if you want, but nothing was zero indication.I did everything except two heart containers by myself relatively recently. Making a map of the overworld and the dungeons was fun.
>>747521859Its sad to see how we might never have a mmorpg that isn't a reiteration of wow,eq or sometimes ragnarok maybe tibia or uo if you are feeling fancyNot that these are bad games but we might need something like AGI or turbo immersive and cheap vr at this rate to see proper innovation
>>747518913I played through LoZ1 with no help and only got stuck by the hidden walls once or twice in the whole game (combat rooms stumped me way more times). It genuinely wasn't that bad, almost every time you can look at the map and have an idea of where you should bomb. I'm not even from the NES generation. Zelda 2 is the one that was actually absolute bullshit.
>>747518770you can't beat dark souls without the wiki.
>>747518964i beat every zelda game without a fucking guide and even games like OoT and MM without even speaking english as a childthe only game that comes close to being unbeatable are BS games like Simon's Quest where you are required to do something there is absolutely no hint about
>>747518913I don't know why, but I just had the desire to bomb these rocks. Not even out of desperation of finding the next area. Just something about this area, every time I passed through I just had the urge.
>>747526692Games on console more complex than "find key in far off room, carry to door" were a new thing at the time and in Zelda's case, a lot of the secrets were them taking tricks devs used for hiding easter eggs, slightly simplifying them, and making them into actual mechanics, with how new that shit was, having a more detailed manual/guide to ease players into the logic of the game made sense.From there though it was just kinda tradition for awhile to kinda have the manual for an RPG be at least 1 part lore booklet and early maps/charts to kinda give it a little extra value and make kids feel like they were actually "discovering" something on their own VS being taught it, kinda like the difference between digging through cool books about dinosaurs or knights or space travel on your own time as compared to having a teacher mumble the boring parts at you.
>>747518770Baba is You and La Mulana in you are're path thougheveralbeit
>>747536537That desire is caused by what's called good video game design. Make the location that hides the secret somehow seem special or stand out so a curious player wants to interact with it, and establish the necessity of experimentation beforehand to establish said curiosity. Not something nintendo can do in 2026.
>>747518946>CAN YOU BEAT X WITH THE WORST WEAPON/ABILITIES IN THE GAME!?!?!?!?>"well no, it turns out you can't in these three situations, but if we ignore those, let's see how much more we can do"
>>747518964the game came with a map in the manual. most people playing since then did not have that or even know.
>>747536858I don't mind that too much because I find it pretty interesting if there is only one possible scenario in which it doesn't work
>>747536135>>747536248Zelda 2 and Simon's Quest suffer from shit translation. They hints are there in the JP version.
>>747519073there are a bunch of guys who do solo pokemon runs. regirock, registeel, and regice start at level 5 only knowing the move explosion which makes it impossible to proceed. some of these solo run faggots will hack the game so they start with an actual attacking move. what's the point?
>>747536229that's reisa
>>747518770>>747518964Gaming back then had:>instruction booklets that generally had useful shit in them, that you read on the car ride home>strategy guides that just straight-up told you everything (they were usually accurate too)>friends who owned the guides>libraries that had strategy guides for the popular games>the reasonable expectation that you'd touch every wall, open every barrel and take every side path>gamers that were raised on arcade machines that straight-up said "git gud or we take all your money">the Nintendo Hotline>gaming magazines that generally brought up and answered common questions about said game>no phone games or Roblox to water down the number of games kids played, so knowledge about games was more concentrated>reviewers that generally gave two shits about the games they play, and mention stuff they get stuck on instead of pretending there was never an issue>>747523860>$1.50/minute>they were pretty quick so the call was over in like 2 minutes>"rich"Still only used it like twice ever but it was worth it. The rich kids had strategy guides for all their games, and bought their games new.>>747523902Nigga, fuckin' everyone bought a Nintendo, so the used market exploded. Everyone poor had hand-me-downs and rented games for cheap.>>747524206Go look up Seer on Youtube. That nigga sets up the biggest, most FUCKED challenge runs of games and exceptions are shockingly rare, the only "cheat" being allowing the fast forward button on his emulator so it doesn't take him five years to reset the same RPG battle 500k times for the one outcome where he can actually win.>>747529579Going for a hot take: nuzlockes. The challenge isn't the nuzlocking, it's the levels. Doing it yourself is easy because you can just grind. Nuzlockers online can't do that because it'd be a shit stream/video, so they use Pokemon Center rare candies to skip that.
>>747524093>>Nintendo are great at level design which draws your attention to secrets with clues
>>747537625I can't focus if you post these impossible brain teasers. Please consider marking them as spoilers in the future.
>>747536135>combat rooms stumped me way more timesSame. I don't remember if it was dungeon 6? I think it was one with wizards, but man was that one a pain. Specially when dying puts you back to 3 hp and had to go back to max every attempt.
>>747536135>>747538104ENTER
>>747519073I’m only fine with this sort of this if its explicitly only in the tutorial and no further. I saw someone beat Dragon Quest Monsters Joker with only Slimes and he only had to take 2 non-slime monsters because they were forced onto him by the game but he never used them outside of using his starter to get his first slime.
>>747537625Why so jealous
>>747537625So... this is the power... of the filtered... the raped... the yellow paint user...
>>747538526There is literal yellow paint telling you where to go in that image lol
>>747538310God fuck those wizards so much
>>747518964Nintendo literally created a dedicated hotline to help people beat the game
>>747518964>Maps in manual >Nintendo power>Nintendo official hot line for tips and tricks>Believe it or not, people had friends that shared tips to beat gamesWhatever you say zoomer
>>747531217The sole gamer would have to replicate asexually. to prevent extinction.
>>747518770Anon I don't have all the time in the world their isn't anything inherently wrong with using a guide. Literally Earthbound came with one.
>>747538873>their shots can only be blocked with the magic shield>"dude let's also put in those things that eat your shield lmao" 10/10
>>747518770>>747518913You now understand why older players run along the walls spamming the action button or the attack button.
>>747536673>That desire is caused by what's called good video game design.Thinking on it, yeah. There is something unique about this area. Even without all the enemies, it just felt like something was here. It didn't feel like an empty area like most of the game. So yeah, it worked out.
>>747518770Back then you had Nintendo power and the Nintendo tip line
>>747524206I really enjoy watching OSRS chunk accounts.
>>747531217I only recommend this if I want people to never play dungeon crawlers ever again.
a lot of people these days have a weird habit of trying to optimize their content consumption so they can finish as much as games/movies/youtube essays as possible in a small amount of time. i really don't get it, everyone forgot to be patient and fully appreciate things
>>747536537I see why you wanted to blow your load on those mounds.
>>747540121the OG chunk account cucked out of skill cape grinds which created the far better variant of them
>>747524678>Second Quest is bullshit hard thought.Ocarina remake desperately deserves a stupidly bullshit hard second quest like that.
>>747537625We all know Metroid and TLoZ would have broken you, don't front
>>747537484He had to make a half concession in ff1 And it still ended up being impossible lmfao
>>747541215Anon, Master Quest has existed for a fucking long ass time now
>>747519073You, this is where the real game truly begins.
>>747541723It's not really hard or transformative though. They just doubled enemy damage and changed a few dungeon rooms around.
>>747529420I already took the L by saying "whatever", retard
>>747542175The remake probably won't have it, but if they end up having Grandmaster Quest I'll consider getting it
>>747518770>>CAN YOU BEAT X GAME WITHOUT USING A WALKTHROUGHwell, can you?
>>747542175"changed a few dungeon rooms around" is an understatement but honestly the MQ dungeons are shit so it doesn't count. Hopefully we'll get something hard and also actually good, but I fully expect them to double down, triple down, and then go all in on yellow paint.
>>747542476>>747542329Yeah I just mean it's not a true second quest in the sense Zelda 1's was. Feels more like a shitty romhack.
>>74751877090s games were absolutely fucking brutal though.In King's Quest 5, for example, if you don't pick up a piece of cheese before a mouse grabs it in the beginning of the game you'll be soft locked at the VERY END OF THE FUCKING GAME.
>>747542175And a lot of those changes are arbitrations to use items you previously didn't need to in fitting with the intended dungeon order, like needing the hammer in the MQ Water Temple. That's why part of me expects any significant change to progression in the OoT remake to be similar, and make sequence permutations harder or impossible by ordinary means. But I'm hoping that's just me being gloom and doom.
>>747542925Before botw modern zelda had sleeping dogs in front of doors and similar shit to put the player's interaction with the world 100% on rails with story locks. I'm almost sure that's how they'll handle oot. It's just how they've operated for the last decade or more.
>>747519323>Looking up cheats and guides on cheatplanet.com and printing them outAbsolute soul.
>>747524678I never actually did second quest. I thought it was pretty much the same game except new dungeon layouts?
>>747522285>Oh yeah, well what about this ONE example? huh huh?
>>747544414Also new dungeon entrances and new mechanics like invisible walls and those fucking bumpers that curse you from using your sword on contact until you touch another of the opposing color.
>>747518770This is such a disingenuous faggot thread because like .01% of /v/ has beat Zelda 1 without save states, let alone with zero outside help.Also the manual is basically mandatory for learning the game, and it's much more difficult to figure out progression without it, and back in the day everyone would also discuss the game at school and whatnot.A game like Zelda 1 was genuinely not designed to be played totally blind and anyone acting like it was is a larping zoomerfag. The few people that did do it totally blind is how you had kids play it for months on end and not even make it halfway through.
>>747524206Bonus (negative) points if the youtuber preemptively bitches about the comments section while breaking his own rule for the run
>>747544674Kirby's Adventure.Contra.
>>747544746t. guide sissy
>>747544746>noooo you can't just talk about a game I think is too hard to figure out, it's threatening me!!Don't throw that "faggot" word around if you aren't going to own up to when it's you, like right now. Beat it on original hardware btw
>>747544414Overworld layout is the same, but there's a huge number of differences:>Enemy placement is different.>Dungeon Placements are radically different.>Secret entrances are entirely moved and use different mechanics (at least one door requires you to use the flute to open a secret staircase not there in quest 1).>Entrances you do remember and find generally lead to wildly different areas.>When you find an old man/woman, they usually don't give you hints about the new 2nd quest puzzles>A lot of the bombable walls and burnable trees get moved from areas where they are highly suspicious to Solid Snake levels of camouflaged.>The dungeon layouts themselves are radically different. Not even keeping the same shape like the overworld does, they have entirely new shapes.>Items are moved around from the dungeons. I think you find the flute in the first dungeon, for example.>New enemy type that will fuck you up without you realizing it.>New secret wall mechanics where instead of bombing them, you have to lean your face up against them for like 2-3 seconds and they'll just phase you through.Way, WAY harder.
>>747519506>they think a guide is necessary for fucking NES games of all things.Please shut the fuck up you zoomer retard. Make it more obvious you have zero experience with NES games outside of rewind spamming through NSO games before getting bored five minutes later.NES games are the few games where manuals/guides are almost necessary for modern players because they don't explain anything and expect you to have read the manual before starting, and are also full of obtuse shit that you were meant to talk amongst your friends (or call the overpriced helpline) to figure out
>>747544746The guy in OP's video legit beat Zelda 1 without save states or rewinds, and almost beat it completely without guides or even reading the manual. He just raw went in there without even the basic shit and almost beat it, and the two things he got hung up on and looked up a guide for, he HAD all the answers and admitted it, he just got impatient.What's your excuse?
>>747544746Bro, Zelda 1 is not that hard. You just suck at video games.
>>747544860You were meant to read the manual and discuss the game with friends and call the helpline if you were really stuck.Even back in the day when Zelda 1 was meant to occupy you for months, you still aren't beating the game blind in vast majority of cases (and those that did took ages to figure everything out manually).And yes, I also beat Zelda 1 on original hardware, and it's my favorite game on the NES, I loved it. But it would have been a much worse experience without the manual or without looking up a couple things rather than just wandering around for hours bruteforcing everything. It's just so fucking strange to larp like the games are so easy totally blind when you know 99% of /v/ has never beat a single NES game without save states, let alone without any guide or manual (which the fucking manual is part of the goddamn game, so it's baffling to cut yourself off from that). As soon as you call these faggots out, they crumble. You realize they're just posers lying for attention and it's all an act.
>>747544746It's ok bro you'll beat Margit and Bell Gargoyle eventually I believe in you
>>747544987>believe me bro, I looked up nothing and had zero outside knowledge about this game despite it being mainstream knowledge for the last 40 years>I looked up multiple things but that doesn't count cause uhhhh now that I know the answer it was obvious Uh... huh...
>>747545278>>I looked up multiple things but that doesn't count causeNobody said that. You made that up and pulled it out of your ass. He admits he looked it up, but watching the video, and him reflecting on it, he admits that he COULD have solved it but got too impatient and that was his mistake. What's the problem here?
>>747545006With the manual and occasionally looking things up (as it would be back in the day as you would discuss it with friends, or at least spend much more time figuring things out), it's not too bad. Zelda 1 is a great game. Without the manual though, that's just super tedious and frustrating because the game basically expects you to read it and you will be bashing your head against a wall eventually with all the obtuse shit in the game.Regardless, it's not like your faggot ass has ever even beat it without the crutch of save states and guides so you have no room to talk. Post your clears or fuck off and kys poser
>>747545427Are you saying reading the manual is cheating?
>>747545392>I spammed rewind the whole time through, but if I wanted to, I could have done it legit>I'm a 300 lb fatty but if I wanted to, I could be disciplined, diet, and lose weight Kys you fucking retard
some dude really dove into this thread to let us all know he was triggered by it and start sperging out. stfu nigga
>>747545489When did anyone use rewind? You made that up again. Does your uncle work at nintendo, fuckwit?
>>747545474No, you illiterate fucking moron. I'm saying NOT reading the manual is putting nonsensical and arbitrary restrictions on yourself because the manual was an intrinsic part of the game and it expected you to have read it. Most NES and SNES games never even bothered to teach you anything because they expect you to read the manual.
>>747518770Hate the blind playthrough culture, nobody did that shit back then. Zelda 1 came with a full map and guide to the first several dungeons and a dozen helpful tips and lists of vender items, all kinds of shit. Players were encouraged to exchange hints with each other. Blind playthroughs are a scourge, it's just not Zelda to do that.
>>747545427>Post your clears or fuck off and kys poserI'm not that anon but I agree with him. Here's a photo I took off of my CRT TV running my NES. Can you shut the fuck up now?
>>747545581Why are you so angry?
>>747545547>70 IQ brown subhuman genuinely can't understand an analogyWew lad. It's frightening how stupid the average internet poster is in 2026.
>>747545638I assumed it wasn't an analogy because that just genuinely makes you stupid. Failing a puzzle is in no way relevant to a discussion of a rewind. The kid never rewind or failed a physical challenge, so not only is the analogy retarded, it's also entirely irrelevant. It's just insane cope on your part.
>>747518964>People in 1987 were able to beat Zelda without any helpNo they weren't. They had Nintendo Power and word of mouth. It's a great game but anyone who says they beat it completely blind is full of shit. At this point, even if you didn't look up a guide you've likely absorbed some of the secrets by just being around game discussion.
>>747545602>clears>posts one single shitclear of a different Zelda than being discussed hereEbicYes, I've also beaten Zelda II on original hardware (MiSTer FPGA). The difficulty is honestly very similar, it's just a lot more obtuse and a much worse game. Saying Zelda 1 is easy and dropping your Zelda II shitclear like it's the hiroshima bomb is beyond pathetic, fucking kys
>>747545762>Nintendo power>1987
>>747544879I have never in my life ever been able to beat level 5 on any of my playthroughs of second questThe sheer amount of wizzrobes and bubbles is insane
>>747545818Do you genuinely think Zelda 1 is MORE difficult than Zelda 2?
>>747545745>Failing a puzzle is in no way relevant to a discussion of a rewind. The kid never rewind or failed a physical challenge,>the challenge is literally "CAN I BEAT ZELDA COMPLETELY BLIND">yeah I looked multiple things up but it doesn't count because uhhh I said soYou are genuinely as stupid as a fucking rock. Post your hand
>>747545818Can't help but notice that YOU didn't post clears after demanding it of other people...
>>747545884>The difficulty is honestly very similar, it's just a lot more obtuse and a much worse game.Please. Read. You. Colossal. Fucking. Retard.
>>747545917>Deflecting that you made a retarded analogy about rewinds and save states.>Has no reading comprehension to understand the words "I tried to" in the video titleOkay? You're retarded AND can't read? So what? We already knew that from your first post.>>yeah I looked multiple things up but it doesn't count because uhhh I said soAgain, you are making things up. Who said that it didn't count? He admits he fucked it up because of a short coming. You're outright claiming you cannot do it because it's physically impossible for your brain to absorb it, but you're coping by saying that's true for EVERYONE, and that's just purely made up. What are you doing with your life?
>>747545973Following up on this. Still waiting.
>>747545854literally launched a year later and starts with having guides for Zelda 1, and other than that they had a hotline to call into the whole time which people did use
>>747519073I would like it better if they just conceded 'oh actually no you can't'.Once watched a 'can you beat Lobotomy Corporation with only one agent' video and got really annoyed when they used multiple agents because 'you wouldn't be able to succeed with just one agent' then called it a 'one agent run' when they finished
>>747545975>just a lot more obtuse and a much worse game.Okay? So that still means Zelda 2 is a more difficult game. Why are you kvetching about your better telling you that Zelda 1 is easier and also an easy game?
This has got to be the spergiest board on all of 4chan.
>>747545975>Zelda 1 is so hard you guys>I beat Zelda 2 a harder game>I'm going to kill myself
>>747546124bahahaha that's fun, what I want to see is a video that's a few second long. it goes like>can you beat a platformer without jumping>leans into the camera>No, you Can't.
>>747545973>>747546116Hey still waiting on this.
>>747518964They had guidebooks and games back then were designed to sell guidebooks
>>747546270Ideally you would make it ~50 minutes or whatever but after that 15 second start the rest is all black space so people don't know the joke is coming.With that said, I wouldn't mind some autist that said 'okay so my challenge was to try and beat X doing Y. I think it might be impossible but here's how far I got' and then show how far they progressed. It becomes extra cool if later someone figures out a way past their apparent roadblock.
>>747546078My point was that 99.9% of /v/ has never even beat Zelda 1 without fucking save states, let alone without a guide, and yet they still try to act all high and mighty like only a retard would need a guide and that Zelda 1 isn't even hard. Again, it's just pure posturing from larping faggots, they crumble immediately when you call them out.>Who said that it didn't count? You said that in your original post you fucking retard. You gave some bullshit cope excuse how it didn't count.>>747546129Zelda 2 is mechanically easier because the combat is so one-dimensional, and you can cheese so much with fairy form and powerfarming. Zelda 1 gives you no such crutches.In terms of progression, Zelda 2 is more difficult as it's obtuse bullshit and the manual is much less helpful than Zelda 1.Also Zelda 2 is a much worse and more annoying game overall, so that contributes to it feeling more difficult, as things you enjoy often feel more easy and like less effort.Overall, which is more difficult? Idk, depends on what you weigh more. I would put Zelda 1, 2, and ALTTP as all being very similar in terms of difficulty, but for different reasons.
>>747520175Then why did your generation let them rot their brains in front of phones and computer screens from being a toddler up until being a teen? :/
>>747545973>>747546116>>747546306I've posted my clears here dozens of times. If you actually cared, you could easily find them. I have nothing to prove.
>>747546413I just wanted it to be dismissive, I think it's funny to throw that whole "genre" into the trash.>can you beat FPS without shooting anyone>lean into camera>No, you Can't
>>747545973>>747546116>>747546306>>747546601Any update?
>>747546601NTA but if you have them you should just post it. You're making yourself look foolish now.
>>747546510>My point was that 99.9% of /v/ has never even beat Zelda 1>Again, it's just pure posturing from larping faggots, they crumble immediately when you call them out.>>747546601
>>747546510>My point was that 99.9% of /v/ has never even beat Zelda 1Yeah, then you kept shifting and squirming around the goal post like a coward because you have nothing to back this made up statistic in your head that you probably just projected onto us to cope with your own failings.I'm also going to agree with the other anon here:>>747546601Where the fuck is your screenshot of your clear on original hardware? I also would like to see that after you demanded it from other people. I'm putting an embargo on the other debate points until you post it.Come on. Cough it up.>If you actually cared, you could easily find them.You could find them way easier and post them and then also prove they are yours.Where is it, bub?
>>747519506>I dont know why fags are so impatient that they think a guide is necessary for fucking NES games of all things.>Hurr durr why doesn't everyone have infinite time to waste on a game like I do Kill yourself worthless faggot
>>747546270https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuRYh7EJsxo
>>747546694>>747546681>>747546621Do you REALLY think I care that some retarded no clears shitter is seething that I won't post my clears for the 200th time?
>>747546853>Do you REALLY think I careYeah. I think you care a whole awful lot and also you don't have any clears to post despite all your chungus blustering.
>My point was that 99.9% of /v/ has never even beat Zelda 1>Again, it's just pure posturing from larping faggots, they crumble immediately when you call them out.Ironing
>>747546853199 isn't that different from 200, and it's definitely less different than 201. So post them already. Not a big deal for you, right mister 200 time poster?
>>747546790lmao
>>747523040Don't make the video, then.
I put JBN's morrowind playlist of "can you beat Morrowind with only/without" videos on shuffle and get a good night's rest.
>>747546750As someone who has been posting on /v/ for over a decade, and has participated in probably thousands of similar threads, you could genuinely count on one hand the number of posters that are actually halfway decent at singleplayer games (shmups, retro, arcade, etc). You'll go through literally dozens of threads about NG or DMC or shmups begging for even just one person to post clears or even just post any kind of high level knowledge that suggests they have any clue what they're talking about... and nada. It's just all brown gachatards or whiny jaded fags that have played 10 hours of vidya in the last year.So that number is almost certainly being overly generous if anything.
>>747547147>As someone who has been posting on /v/Didn't ask, didn't read, don't care. Post your clear or stop replying to me.
>>747547212No, go look for it if you care.
>>747546790If this was ymfah he would have found some giga autistic glitch oversight that let him beat the game without moving.Also on a side note it bothers me to no end that most ymfah videos have tons of silent clips because youtube is omega gay with its dmca system.
Are there actually any good 'CAN YOU BEAT GAME DOING X' videos? There's got to be at least one surely.
Zelda and a lot of old games were made to sell Nintendo power or the help service you payed to call. It has stupid "puzzles" that have no hint or anyway to reason out what you are supposed to do, it's just blow up this random wall, or look at this exact square of swamp. It was a faggot thing they did and I'm glad it died when the internet happened. Anyone who says otherwise is a stupid kid who never played it or stupid old guy blinded by nostalgia and thinks only old=good.
>>747519106not really, and I like NES games like Mario 1 and 3, Contra, Megaman 1, 2 and 3 and other classic games, Zelda 1 is just too obtuse, play A Link to the Past if you want old 2D Zelda
>>747547461Seer is mainly carried by the personality/writing, the actual challenge is him playing at 64x speed reloading saves over and over again(I'm at least giving him points for not using save states unless it's experimenting) smashing his balls into a bed of nails until he eventually lucks through.Excelblum is very fun but the videos are edited to turbo pace because they're multi hour streams condensed down to minute long 'episodes' per mission and then compiled into 30-hour long video. and I don't really like his voice.Magoo has some interesting bethesda challenge runs but his videos are edited down vods, complete with him greenscreened over the gameplay footage.
>>747546790beautiful, thank you
Can you beat your dick without cumming?
>>747518770Akchually the first zelda had some gebuinely bullshit bullshit puzzles that were meant to push the nintendo hotline and the magazine at the time.
>>747547409you mean after playing without the challenge on another save and then doing save corruption to combine the saves and pretend that counts as doing the challengethat's kind of fucking lame isn't it? I won't deny that he has some good videos but there's a bunch that really go against the point of the challenge. If you're going to allow save corruption like that you might as well skip straight to the final boss and skip the whole playthrough.
>>747547649Not true at all, I didn't grow up on NES or even SNES and Zelda was my favorite NES game. Just make sure you read the manual. It really immerses you and sucks you into its world unlike any other game, and the combat is simple but really fun and challenging.
>>747519879>guy yelling the F word w/echo>cannonball/nail gun sfx>kid saying "ooo!"Its literally always these 3 on repeat
>>747548634>the first zelda had some gebuinely bullshit bullshit puzzles that were meant to push the nintendo hotline and the magazine at the time.Demonstratably wrong. The Nintendo Hotline was *created* AFTER Zelda 1 released, specifically because they were getting so many calls from people stuck in the game that they needed people to run defense on phones so they could get back to work. So that's just some retarded bullshit you made up.
>>747549259I swear to fucking god every single one of these people hire like the same 2 editors or something. It's those 3 sound effects + the same exact 3-4 copywrite free songs, like Yoshi's Island, or the Undertale song.
I beat LoZ when I was in Kindergarten with no guide, if adults can't figure out how to do it now, yes, they are indeed retarded.
Those were games from before the snowflake generation
>>747519106I think the original is great, it is one of my favorite games. Just keep in mind that it came with a manual that has a brief walkthrough of the beginning of the game, as well as a big fold out map.
>>747544746I beat it
>>747548606Every night
>>747525393Listen to 5 seconds of xer new voice for your answer.
>pretending the first Zelda game was difficult I guess most of /v/ isn’t as old as me. I beat it as a kid. Honestly Mike Tyson in punch out was harder for me than the first Zelda game by a long shot. Hell, Zelda 2’s final boss was way harder than the first game. If you can’t beat the first Zelda without guides then how in the hell would you be able to beat games like Simon’s quest, milons secret castle, etc? Are people just retarded today?
>>747521101I suppose being able to endure relentless tedium could be considered an "ability".
i cleared it 300 times
my dad use to write for gaming magazines and before the walkthrough and secrets are written, the team need to play and figure out the game first just based on a few guidelines provided by nintendo.
>>747551598Woah:...
>>747518770>>747518964yall just going to pretend this part didn't exist?
>>747550204>the same exact 3-4 copywrite free songs, like Yoshi's Island, or the Undertale song.Every fucking Kevin Mcloed songthe wii digital shop songBriefly cutting to BFG division when something intense happens on screen, usually with screenshake and speed lines
>>747554254>get a tool that burns down trees>"Oh hey, I can take a shortcut here" when exploring for the next dungeon entrance
>>747518770I hate these videos so much. You just know that faggot had gamefaqs runing on his second monitor.
>>747524790And it's always some spergy sounding guy or worse an angloid.
>>747518770>We never used walkthroughs in our NES games! We went through it with sheer skill and common sense!>Player guides>Help hotlines>Playground rumors>"it took me years to beat this game!"uh-huh
>>747519994We're led to believe that you're in your mid 40s to early 50s posting on here, either you're larping, or you're very pathetic. Literal "I drank through the hose xDDD" tier posting. Facebook is more your speed.
>>747547059BUT I NEED TO PRODUSE MAH CONTENT
I beat Zelda 1 when I was 3 kids these days are so dumb
>>747545854>zelda was only played in 1987 and never after
>>747547461NGplus is pretty søyish, but his challenges are legit, I like that he tries to only use glitches if absolutely necessary. Sometimes he even bans op glitches that would erase the point of the challenge. His ff10 overdrive only video is fantastic and some of his old challenges like ratchet 1 no clank are impressive because he discovered new skips even seasoned speedrunners were unaware of.Good stuff.>>747547925Seer is great because he can really make you "feel" the absolute torture some parts of the challenges are and they are so ballsy they are interesting.
zelda 1 wouldnt be such horseshit if the candle was better and bombs were a little more plentifulif you are gonna make me check every tile and bush, let me carpet bomb the screen faster
>>747518770No but I can beat your mom like your dad should have.
>>747548816>Not true at all>Just make sure you read the manual
>>747518913>hidden by walls that need to be blown openI played it a while back for the first time and it's completely doable without any guide the mandatory hidden things are obvious and you get clues there are plenty of secrets and hidden walls you would never find without a guide though but they aren't required
>>747529579The challenge itself wasn't so terrible in theory but I watched a couple of videos of a guy messing around with scaling to see how much of Mario 64 and OoT you can do but it had an absolutely terrible script where he just kept on saying the exact same things in the exact same ways so it got really annoying to listen to because of how repetitive it was.
>>747531672I don't mind that. I'm one of those guys that love puzzle games more when I get stuck.I kind of enjoy the "back track and aimlessly walk around hoping to figure out what bullshit to do next". It's very rewarding when it get itI think when I played OoT as a kid, the grave digger ghost showed up and flew into a grave but then I stopped playing for a few months and had forgotten. Took me literally forever of just roaming around Hyrule before randomly pushing the right grave in Kakariko
>>747520515This is just cope for retards. Majority of people suck at everything while a small group of people is good at everything. But the latter types have to specialize so they do the thing that's the most lucrative.
>>747558779Deep social analysis right there
>>747556841>if you played zelda after 1987 you didnt beat it
>>747518770Here's your manual brohttps://archive.org/details/LegendOfZeldaTheNESHiResScans/Legend%20of%20Zelda%2C%20The%20-%20Manual%20%28Clearscan%29/mode/2up
>>747558936The midwit smug response tells me you're the type that coped you were gifted in "other areas".
i want to play more games that have the least need for guides. What term are these games grouped under
>>747558779Except sports chads will never be STEM nerds or vice versa. You're just a retard who's bad at both.
>>747559664Gifted in shitting his pants
>>747558779>But the latter types have to specialize so they do the thing that's the most lucrativeIt's sad you think everyone of worth must be so obsessed with money. You have jew brain
>>747518770The game was designed to be played with a guide that you bought separately so this is an interesting challenge run.
>>747518913No not really I played the game blind once just to prove a point that it is possible to beat those old games without a walkthrough and the game gives you enough hintsThere are mountains that hide a heartpice or the entrance of a dungeoun but in the entire game they only use this specific mountain range 3 or 4 times so seing it for the first time already made me suspicious and i tried to bomb it just for fun There are bushes that block you path but its one bush in an entire row so figuring out that you should burn that one isnst that hard eitherits the precursor to yellow paint everywhere but a lot more subtlethe game also restricts how much you can travel before completing certain dungeons because you need the raft or candle to make progress so your only exploring a small safe part of the game at the beginning and its much easier figuring things out and making progress in a small area compared to the entire game
>>747560651Yeah, smart people will follow financial incentives. Midwits who think they're "talented at liberal arts" will end up broke.
>>747526223because before physical discs where common for games game boxes where just lousy cardboard and most kids threw them out and put all their games in a shoebox so manuals where also thrown out
>>747561031savages
>>747523040Consider the challenge a failure and either end the video there or continue onwards to see what else is theoretically possible within the boundaries of the challenge. For example theres a challenge run where someone tried to beat KH1 by being a ‘pacifist’ (the tutorial section wasn’t counted because you are obviously forced to fight enemies). That challenge was impossible as only Sora can kill bosses, your other party members can get them to 1hp but Sora HAS to get the final blow.So the challenge was impossible, but he continued forth changing it to be a minimalist challenge instead. In that regard yes it was possible, but the original challenge is impossible (without hacking the game to remove that in-built boss restriction).
>>747541567NTA but I’m wondering what bullshit he’s gonna pull for VII.
>>747536248>OoT and MMN64-post that generation walkthroughs aren't needed for games except for graphic adventure games.>>747522076I agree in principle but not practically. Because aging is an eye of the beholder situation: if someone never played a game like LoZ 1 they are going to have a hard time, especially if they didn't grew up in that culture. That is to say that while you and I can enjoy it like because we understand the rules, newfags at best are going to have a hard time with it.
>>747518964>doesn't answer his question>strawmanning
>>747518770>be 5>figure out each map might have a secret>not two or three only one>might be bomb might be fire>>>proceed to autistically bomb every 'wall' and light every tree on fire to find all the secrets>Do this before getting infinite candle>get all the hearts>get the princess>>>>QUEST B>>>>>>>>DO IT AGAIN
>>747560796Ah yes, the arts and sciences, the most "lucrative" thing to specialise in. You're a fool
>>747518770Zoomiebros...are we really this retarded?
>>747547461Can you beat sm64 without pressing the A button?
